For strikes on Red Square: about American missiles for Ukraine

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For strikes on Red Square: about American missiles for Ukraine
Dark Eagle trials. Source: wikipedia.org


Important Players


The importance of missile weapons in the special operation in Ukraine is difficult to overestimate. In conditions when the air forces of both sides of the conflict cannot work at full strength, it was the missiles that became the very long arm capable of destroying critical objects behind enemy lines. The notorious HIMARS, although they were delivered to the nationalists in limited quantities, managed to prove themselves quite effectively. The ongoing blackouts all over Ukraine illustrate the importance of Russian missile systems.



In a situation where Russia can not leave a stone unturned from the administrative center of Kyiv (but for some reason does not), it seems natural that the nationalists want to strike at Red Square. And it's not a figure of speech. Dmitry Gordon, who still fights exclusively on the propaganda front, is eager to see American missiles fall on the center of the Russian capital. One snag - the nationalists do not have such missiles, and the West still refuses to provide them.

But Kyiv does not despair. Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of the Security Council of Ukraine writes on Twitter:

"The best and most efficient solution to Ukraine's energy problem is missiles with a range of 800 km or more, which will save a lot on generators."

The statement is a little in defiance of Zelensky's early request to the Europeans for additional diesel fuel for generators and natural gas.

Let's digress a little and try to appreciate the whole surrealism of the situation - Russia is striking at the energy infrastructure of Ukraine, and Zelensky is asking for fuel for generators, which is obtained from Russian oil. The paradoxical circulation of hydrocarbons in Europe.

In the simple logic of Danilov, a message is hidden - American missiles are supposed to strike at military airfields and other infrastructure, after which the Russian army will not be up to Ukrainian power plants. Bandera even offered to abdicate all responsibility for the strikes on Russian territory. Back in October, they agreed to ask permission for every 300-kilometer ATACMS strike with the Pentagon. If this is not a deliberate invitation to the US in a global conflict, then what is? The Americans have not yet decided to go to war with Russia.

The residents of Bankova know what to ask for. The United States has a significant arsenal of medium-range missiles. On paper, back in the early 90s, the Americans got rid of such equipment under the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF Treaty). However, already in 2019, the United States unilaterally withdrew from this agreement, accusing the Russian government of violations.

Where will the rockets go?


According to some information, Pershing-II missiles with a range of 1 kilometers, long out of production and surviving after the INF Treaty, are the first in line for Ukraine. This is indicated by a number of unnamed sources of such a publication as lenta.ru. If this is true, then the supply of such systems to Ukraine could indeed lead to a third world war. Simply because all Pershing-IIs are equipped with a nuclear warhead with a yield of up to 800 kt. Unless, of course, the Americans converted the missiles into conventional explosive carriers. The probability of using the Pershing-II complexes that allegedly survived after the 80s cannot be considered zero, but still it is more like speculation by the journalistic community.

What can not be said about the following American missile systems capable of delivering strikes for a thousand or more kilometers. Some of them have not yet gone out of trial operation, but this in no way prevents their use in Ukraine.

It was difficult to come up with a better test in real conditions. One of the most powerful is the Dark Eagle or LRHW (Long Range Hypersonic Weapon) hypersonic complex. weapon long range). At the moment, it is known about two launchers transferred to the US Army in October last year. Not much, but the White House may order Lockheed Martin to build one or two units for Ukraine, for example, by the summer of next year. The range of the LRHW is about 2 km, and most importantly, it is a hypersonic missile, which seriously limits the possibility of interception.


Hypersonic complex Dark Eagle or LRHW. Source: www.edrmagazine.eu

Imagine that the Kyiv regime still begged LRHW from Washington. Where will the rockets go? Yes, anywhere! From under Sumy, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can theoretically hit Nizhnevartovsk. Or along the critically important bridges of the Trans-Siberian. Although the power of a single missile will be clearly not enough to destroy the railway bridge. The Americans, very handy for Bandera, planned new tests of the complex next year.

Simultaneously with the Dark Eagle last year, the Americans presented the Typhoon complex, which is a launcher for the Tomahawk and SM-6. The latter, by the way, is a born anti-aircraft missile. To put it simply, the Pentagon ordered mobile land containers for sea-based missiles from manufacturers.

The Typhoon configuration is interesting - these are subsonic and relatively cheap Tomahawks flying two thousand kilometers, and expensive hypersonic SM-6s with a range of 450-500 kilometers. Typhoon is nothing too complicated - in fact, it is a tractor with a trawl, on which Mk41 launch containers with missiles were placed. That is why the appearance of such equipment in Ukraine cannot be ruled out as early as next year.


Typhoon complex. Source: bmpd.livejournal.com

Less long-range missile complex Precision Strike Missile (PrSM), which is even less ready for combat than the older brother Dark Eagle. A tactical missile is being built to replace Ukraine's coveted ATACMS. They plan to mount hypersonic products in the former M270 and HIMARS modules - the nationalists will not have any particular difficulties in mastering the technology.

The PrSM missile was originally developed with a range of 499 kilometers in order to circumvent the still existing INF Treaty regulations. But now a large range is being declared, up to 800 km. With a ramjet engine, it is possible to fly a thousand kilometers. The complex will reach initial operational readiness next year. With such a range, PrSM reaches almost to the Urals. And almost from any point near the line of contact in the east.


Complex Precision Strike Missile (PrSM). Source: russiancouncil.ru

Success is constantly demanded from Ukraine. Let local, but success. This is an important aspect of supporting the Kyiv regime. As soon as Russia shows at least some progress, the West immediately throws firewood into the flames of the conflict.

In this case, more long-range weapons than those currently used can become such firewood. For example, the widely advertised GLSDB are glide bombs with an M26 rocket engine attached to the tail. This product is launched from conventional HIMARS and MLRS for 150 kilometers, that is, it is half of the ATACMS so desired by Kyiv.

The West is acting consistently, so if Russia once again gets off with only diplomatic indignation, then medium-range missiles will go to Ukraine after air bombs. Of course, under the "honest Bandera" not to use missiles on Russian territory. Zelensky himself will draw the boundaries of this territory.

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  1. +10
    2 December 2022 06: 45
    So you need to answer this as the author showed in the conclusion of his article

    Otherwise, there will be no end to this Ukrainian lawlessness.
    1. +5
      2 December 2022 07: 47
      I laughed about the ancient Pershing -2. But this is closer to reality:
      GLSDB - glide bombs with an M26 rocket engine attached to the tail. This product is launched from conventional HIMARS and MLRS for 150 kilometers

      Attacks on our cities? Fighting is underway, the largest in Europe since the end of World War II. And UAVs have already been inflicted and once by helicopters.
      1. +10
        2 December 2022 08: 56
        You read the characteristics of Pershing - 2, to such an "ancient" many still grow and grow.
        1. +2
          2 December 2022 09: 57
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          You read the characteristics of Pershing - 2, to such an "ancient" many still grow and grow.

          The problems of Pershing-2 are that there are very few of them, they have been decommissioned and do not have a modern guidance system. Accordingly, even from 5-10 missiles remaining in good condition - there is very little sense. If they exist at all, journalists are not a reliable source of information.
          1. +5
            2 December 2022 13: 42
            Pershings were not destroyed by explosions, as in the USSR OTRK Oka, Pershing was not cut by welding and did not show this action on the CNN channel, as was shown through the news channel Vremya cutting Soviet medium-range missiles, Pershing was simply disassembled block by block and sent stored in specially built warehouses. And no one destroyed the technical documentation for Pershing 2 either, as was the case with OTP Oka
            1. +1
              2 December 2022 16: 28
              “The removal of Pershing-2 from duty in Europe began in October 1988 and ended on July 6, 1989. The destruction of the MGM-31C (and the remaining MGM-31B) was carried out by static burning of rocket engines on the stand, in this way the last stage was destroyed in May 1991 ["
              1. +2
                3 December 2022 00: 12
                Quote: Parvis Rasulov
                Pershings were not destroyed by explosions as in the USSR OTRK Oka

                Quote: Andrey Nikolaev_4
                The destruction of the MGM-31C (and the remaining MGM-31B) was carried out by static burning of rocket engines on the stand, in this way the last stage was destroyed in May 1991 ["

                He simply did not live then and does not remember these reports. After burning the body of the Pershing-1V and Pershing-2 missiles at the stand, they defiantly walked half the press. Under the cameras and with the presence of Soviet controllers.
                1. +1
                  3 December 2022 18: 24
                  No, dear, you are very mistaken about what you saw on the Vremya program, and you also watched these reports from the United States at that moment while serving in the Soviet army. Regarding cutting or burning missiles from Pershing 2, where the Soviet delegation was, this is just one of the bases where Soviet controllers were allowed into other bases of Soviet controllers, and Gorbachev did not react to this.
                  here is one of the points from the amendments made to the military doctrine of the USSR in 1989 and which was published in the Pravda newspaper “From now on, only one thing can be the basis for delivering a nuclear missile strike against the enemy - nuclear explosions of enemy missiles on the territory of the USSR.”
          2. +8
            2 December 2022 14: 32
            The Pershing problem is that it is a strategic missile and its launch towards Russia without warning can be mistaken for a nuclear attack. There are no crazy people in the USA.
            1. 0
              2 December 2022 20: 25
              Quote: svoroponov
              There are no crazy people in the USA.

              Here you are absolutely mistaken. There are a dime a dozen of them. Among officials and politicians - nine out of ten :))
              The only consolation is that among the military who make decisions, it seems that they really do not exist. And God forbid that the final decisions are made by the military, not by politicians. Because American politicians will plunge the planet into nuclear chaos in an hour.
              1. +2
                3 December 2022 01: 51
                Behind the politicians is a business with big money, and they definitely don’t need problems, if they can’t get it, then yes, and if they can, then this is already a big problem.
              2. +1
                3 December 2022 11: 08
                There is a pond - a dime a dozen fools who talk their tongues, but as soon as it comes to practice, they sober up instantly.
          3. -1
            9 December 2022 15: 39
            the consequences of the transfer of Peshing-2 APU,
            will transfer technology or the ICBMs themselves to Iran - this is critical (!)
            Americans will not be substituted like that
    2. +17
      2 December 2022 07: 49
      Quote: rotmistr60
      So you need to answer this as the author showed in the conclusion of his article

      Yes, but in reality, the captions of the pictures are reversed. We have been talking about the width of the red lines for months now, and we are tired of waiting for the promised strikes on decision-making centers.
      1. +2
        2 December 2022 18: 26
        We still haven’t started, we’re swaying, and then kaaak, we’ll hit the centers and everything is in ruins, if Kyiv was taken from the very beginning of the operation, it would have been finished, and it wouldn’t have come to the point of supplying ballistic missiles already, survived, cheers .
      2. +1
        3 December 2022 11: 13
        Yes, those who make decisions in Ukraine are far beyond the ocean, and the local servants have huddled deep underground and are trying not to shine or are rushing around the territory in the deep rear like mad, fearing for their skin.
    3. -4
      2 December 2022 15: 58
      Only nuke, only hardcore
  2. +8
    2 December 2022 06: 47
    Ukraine - a monkey with a grenade. If they are given long-range missiles, they will definitely hit. And not for military facilities, but for Russian cities. It is unlikely that they will shoot at Grozny. Faberge is not iron. But Moscow can easily be hit in the calculation of the next concern.
    1. PC
      +4
      2 December 2022 08: 14
      Most likely, that is exactly what will happen. After all, from our side, only blah blah blah.
    2. 0
      2 December 2022 11: 42
      I think if such missiles appear, the first strikes will be on the Moscow power grid.
  3. +6
    2 December 2022 07: 05
    Success is constantly demanded from Ukraine


    To prevent this from happening, it is necessary now to smash to smithereens not only the energy infrastructure, but also the logistics infrastructure!
    1. +5
      2 December 2022 09: 29
      "To prevent this from happening, it is necessary now to smash to smithereens not only the energy infrastructure, but also the logistics one!"

      This actually had to be done IMMEDIATELY after the failed signing of the surrender ..
      1. +3
        2 December 2022 14: 15
        It's not too late even now, but somehow there is no desire
  4. +11
    2 December 2022 07: 08
    Quote: Bearded
    But Moscow can easily be hit in the calculation of the next concern.

    Maybe even after that they will stop arranging celebrations and the "opening of the Ferris wheels" simultaneously with the "straightening of the front line."
  5. 9PA
    -6
    2 December 2022 07: 21
    This will be an incident of white for the applicable tactical nuclear weapons against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It seems to me that we can deliver 1 nuclear strike even now, even against a NATO member, and nothing will happen, no one wants an apocalypse
    1. -4
      2 December 2022 08: 27
      Quote: 9PA
      This will be an incident of white for the applicable tactical nuclear weapons against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It seems to me that we can deliver 1 nuclear strike even now, even against a NATO member, and nothing will happen, no one wants an apocalypse

      I propose to check this with a TNW strike on Warsaw.
      You don't like Poles? It's just that you don't know how to cook them. laughing
    2. +1
      2 December 2022 11: 47
      when it seems you need to be baptized.
      Especially for this case, the Americans converted several Trident SLBMs into low power in order to be able to give a guaranteed response in a single TNW strike on Europe. .
      1. 0
        2 December 2022 13: 26
        And yes, recently "Ohio" is increasingly being replaced in the Mediterranean and the Arabian Sea.
        They exist both in the North and in the Far East somewhere in the Aleuts region.
        French SSBNs are almost always in the Mediterranean, British in the North and Norwegian.
      2. -1
        2 December 2022 14: 09
        Do they want to fit in with the Poles?))) Then let them wait for guests from the Yars club in Washington)))
    3. +5
      2 December 2022 16: 24
      Quote: 9PA
      This will be an incident of whitewash for applicable tactical nuclear weapons against the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      And what kind of white?
      Quote: 9PA
      it seems we can deliver 1 nuclear strike even now, even against a NATO member and nothing will happen

      And if, for fun, Khmeimim and Transnistria are razed to the ground, then what?
  6. +5
    2 December 2022 07: 58
    It is unlikely that this will happen. It's easier to deliver from the 3rd country. And it’s even easier to follow the Geranium 2 path ...... there is a 2000th range and it’s hard to catch. The West has everything for this:
    1 gsn is
    2 reconnaissance targets are
    3 handmade mass assembly can be done in Ukraine and Poland ....
  7. PC
    +7
    2 December 2022 08: 12
    So we will express concern, indignation, condemnation. Our dreamer will itch only when he arrives in Moscow.
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  9. -1
    2 December 2022 09: 27
    Did the author dream about nuclear war?
  10. -7
    2 December 2022 09: 54
    The author put everything together, some kind of fusion of rumors and future fantasies.
    Ukraine will never receive any pershings. The rest of the above is the same, if only because there is still an agreement on the nonproliferation of missile weapons, according to which countries should not transfer missiles with a range of more than 300 km to others.
    However, this is only one of the small reasons, any launch of pershing from the territory of Ukraine or Europe will be regarded by the missile attack warning system in Russia as an attack, you will immediately receive a response, including on the territory of the United States
    1. 0
      2 December 2022 11: 58
      if only because there is still an agreement on the non-proliferation of missile weapons, according to which countries should not transfer missiles with a range of more than 300 km to others

      This restriction does not apply to Ukraine, as well as to other countries included in The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).
    2. 0
      2 December 2022 18: 11
      Will not follow. There will be another Stanislav Petrov.
  11. +8
    2 December 2022 10: 00
    And why aren’t they hitting Kursk, Bryansk and the long-suffering Belgorod regions now? This is a huge "success" of the NWO. Yesterday a Himmers flew to Debaltsevo and Ilovaisk. With such super planning, the Voronezh, Rostov regions and Krasnodar Territory will be next. reaction, they take another step, half a step, and so day after day, month after month, the territory of the Northern Military District on the territory of Russia is expanding. Only the deaf and blind "Gerasimovites" do not see this. There are no complaints about the guys on the front line and in the trenches and naturally cannot be.
    1. +3
      2 December 2022 18: 34
      Another happiness for propagandists is that Ukrainians do not hit those targets in the Russian Federation, the defeat of which will cause joy among a large number of people in the Russian Federation.
      But any accountant, on the news of the arrival at the main building of the tax office and the death of everyone there, will say: "finally, the reporting forms will stop changing at least a couple of quarters." And there are a lot of such objects of popular hatred.
      But the Ukrainians do not touch them, which raises suspicion of some kind of agreement.
      As well as on our side, there are no launches on elite settlements near Kyiv, after the demolition of which ordinary Ukrainians would be delighted with the death of parasites and bloodsuckers. - also suspicious
    2. 0
      3 December 2022 18: 30
      There are enough idiots in the leadership. It’s just that when a lot of people arrive, it will be too late to puff out their cheeks, and it will not be easy to express concern under the ruins. No one will see or appreciate
  12. 0
    2 December 2022 10: 01
    It's time to test Poseidon .. between the USA and Japan .... Unless of course this is Putin's next crap ....
    1. 0
      2 December 2022 14: 06
      Well, in the presence of Yars and Poplars, I hope there is no doubt? They will do their job just as well.
      1. +2
        2 December 2022 20: 01
        I personally have no doubts about their presence.
        There is great doubt that they will want to apply.
        And a weapon, albeit the most powerful, is just a toy if you don’t have the courage to use it.
        1. +1
          2 December 2022 23: 49
          Agree one hundred percent. Without will, all undertakings are in vain. And, it must be frankly admitted, our leadership lacks the will and determination.
    2. +4
      2 December 2022 16: 26
      Quote: Igorash
      It's time to test Poseidon .. between the USA and Japan

      Well, it turns out that this is a pointless fart in a puddle. What then?
      1. 0
        2 December 2022 19: 41
        Yes, even if it does not turn out, the question is not canceled.
    3. -1
      3 December 2022 22: 13
      List exactly what you mean by
      Quote: Igorash
      another crap Putin
      , more specifically, please, so as not to be unfounded.
  13. +3
    2 December 2022 10: 54
    Because it was necessary to hammer Banderastan into the Stone Age from the very beginning! Everyone is afraid to damage the factories divided between the right people! From the factories, dill will leave you a dead donkey's ears, as well as from Azovstal!
  14. -1
    2 December 2022 11: 36
    Mr. Fedorov dreamed. RSD on Red Square, this is a completely different situation and is no longer drawn to a strange operation. War. Kursk region and Moscow are two big differences. And most importantly, it does not fit into the systematic utilization of the Russian nation, carried out by the world bourgeoisie. There will be no missiles on the Kremlin. This is our internal conflict, GV in the collapsed Empire. They will feed, no doubt transfer to the plane of mutual destruction - never. There, decisions are not taken by crazy politicians and their own skins are valued above all else. While Russia has something to erase them.
  15. -1
    2 December 2022 13: 33
    And where does the USA?!
    The Europeans have enough of these missiles, mainly air-based, with a range of up to 500 km or even more.
    The Germans made ammunition for Himars based on such a missile.
    Probably they have already been transferred to Ukraine.
    And there were also American deliveries of AGM-158, probably to the Poles and Finns.

    Ukrainian Su-24Ms have already been seen in Poland for modifications for such weapons.
    It will work or it won't work.
    But I think that it will turn out at least SCALP.
  16. -1
    2 December 2022 13: 54
    Dvnilov touched yesterday on the topic of negotiations with Russia. The only touching thing is that the Russian side is always open for negotiations. Despite the fact that she hit first and did not achieve any of the declared goals.

    The head of the Ukrosovbez, Danilov, spoke about the goals of the war, saying that they consisted in the destruction of Russia. “They just need to be destroyed so that they, as a country, cease to exist within the boundaries in which they now exist ... They are simply barbarians. And when you say that you need to sit at the same table with these barbarians and talk about something, I consider this unworthy of our people, ”he said.
    1. +1
      2 December 2022 17: 38
      Quote: Boris Sergeev
      Dvnilov touched yesterday on the topic of negotiations with Russia. The only touching thing is that the Russian side is always open for negotiations. Despite the fact that she hit first and did not achieve any of the declared goals.

      The head of the Ukrosovbez, Danilov, spoke about the goals of the war, saying that they consisted in the destruction of Russia. “They just need to be destroyed so that they, as a country, cease to exist within the boundaries in which they now exist ... They are simply barbarians. And when you say that you need to sit at the same table with these barbarians and talk about something, I consider this unworthy of our people, ”he said.

      Some bandyuk something there barks.
      Why hasn't he been convicted in absentia to CMN yet? He and other bandits and murderers of the Kyiv regime.
  17. 0
    2 December 2022 13: 56
    Well, the author does not hold fantasy. With the same success, we can give Comrade Kim a few Poplars or Yars, or even worse, give one of the islands of the Kuril ridge for a military base, covering it (yet our own territory) with air defense systems. And a strike on Red Square means only one thing - Washington's meeting with one of the products of the Sarmat family. The only thing our leadership needs to do is issue a stern warning against this scenario.
    1. +1
      2 December 2022 20: 05
      Thank you, amused, "issue a tough warning."
      Everyone wanted to chhat both on our red lines and on the next 1001 Chinese warnings.
      GDP is not Kim ... unfortunately.
      He has the courage to apply everything and answer everything, in contrast to Russia, which is too formidable in words, but does nothing.
      That is why the opinion about Russia has now developed among many countries of the world that Russia is too weak to answer for its words.
      1. +1
        2 December 2022 23: 51
        I will not argue with this. The words of our leadership are often at odds with the deeds.
  18. +1
    2 December 2022 16: 25
    It is high time to destroy the Ukrainian elite. Physically destroy. It is possible by the verdicts of a court or tribunal, but it is possible without these verdicts.
  19. 0
    2 December 2022 17: 27
    These demoniacs are constantly on a dose, they have long understood that they will be finished anyway. So they carry all sorts of crap, like their predecessors in Germany. Maybe they bargained for this life of relatives. Naive. With the Anglo-Saxons...
  20. 0
    2 December 2022 22: 00
    Well, why should the response of our side also be radical, we are deploying missiles in countries that are friendly to us, like Venezuela, Cuba. Well, you can think of something else, for example, to place a missile division in the Kolyma region or the Berengovo Strait. Or recreate railway missile systems based on Satan. country back and forth .. There are many decisions, the main thing is not to chew the leadership and not to call on the world community for world peace
  21. +1
    4 December 2022 00: 24
    Does anyone know where fuel and lubricants are in Ukraine? Enemy equipment is refueled, planes are flying, diesel locomotives are regularly pulling trains with Western aid and troops. Where is that not yet closed valve?
  22. 0
    5 December 2022 12: 46
    The line between political resourcefulness and cowardice has become almost indistinguishable ... Only Red Square has nothing to do with it, there is no need to put pressure on Soviet patriotism. Whoever sits there knows how and that these people have nothing to do with the beautiful past .... And what they did with the old one ... the people also know firsthand ... And what Moscow is and at the expense of whom and what he lives, he also knows ...
  23. 0
    6 December 2022 15: 19
    Yes, banderlogs of American missiles are inappropriate. They have already gotten used to hitting with slingshots. Recently, an airfield with STRATEGIC bombers was blasted. There are dead.
    Just think about it: an airfield with Strategists...... In the depths of Russia.
    I'll say it cruelly, but it's better to let them fuck the Kremlin. There still seems to be boobies sitting there.
    Maybe those of the generals who survive will begin to act, and not negotiate.