Having announced the mass purchase of American M4 carbines of 5,56 mm caliber, the Kyiv regime is not going to pay for such deliveries

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Having announced the mass purchase of American M4 carbines of 5,56 mm caliber, the Kyiv regime is not going to pay for such deliveries

This year, the Ukrainian army began to actively use automatic M4 carbines of 5,56x45 mm NATO caliber. Thus, 7 such carbines, as well as cartridges for them, were handed over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine include not only the purchase of modern rifles, but also the possibility of their further production on the territory of the country simultaneously with the manufacture of ammunition.

At the same time, in Ukraine, the concept of "purchase" is understood in its own way. The Kyiv regime clearly does not intend to pay its money. He wants the West to pay for its own deliveries of large batches of M4 to Ukraine. And the plant, apparently, Kyiv wants to build at someone else's expense.



Automatic carbine M4A1 caliber 5,56x45 mm - a shortened version of the American rifle M16A2, with a folding stock. Her weight is relatively small - 3,2 kg, which makes weapon convenient for active use. M4 is equipped with a top mounting rail (Picatinny rail), removable handle. There is also a Picatinny rail on the forearm. Sighting range of the carbine - up to 500 m.

It is worth noting that in the development of this small arms in the United States, three caliber options were used (7,62x39 mm, 5,56x39 mm and 5,56x45 mm).

The acquisition of these automatic carbines for the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place against the backdrop of the failure of Soviet-made small arms. Also, the purpose of this deal is to form new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine using weapons of a new Western type.

In conclusion, it is important to emphasize that the issue of acquiring the required amount of ammunition remains open, since when shooting on the battlefield, their consumption amounts to hundreds of thousands per day, and replenishing it just as quickly with new supplies is not an easy task.
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  1. +1
    28 November 2022 11: 36
    At the same time, in Ukraine, the concept of "purchase" is understood in its own way. The Kyiv regime clearly does not intend to pay its money. He wants the West to pay for its own deliveries of large batches of M4 to Ukraine. And the plant, apparently, Kyiv wants to build at someone else's expense.
    can't fix them...
    1. +2
      28 November 2022 11: 51
      They should not be corrected .... they should be indebted lol
    2. +3
      28 November 2022 11: 55
      For free, they are ready to take Berdanks, with Mausers and revolvers, in addition to cannons with cannonballs, the main thing is that all this is paid for by Western sponsors and transferred free of charge, in unlimited quantities, while in Ukraine there is someone to take it all into their hands and send it to slaughter .
  2. +1
    28 November 2022 11: 40
    Purely Ukrainian approach! First chairs - then money ... but not a fact! wassat
    1. +3
      28 November 2022 11: 54
      When they receive reparations from us, they will immediately pay off
      1. +2
        28 November 2022 12: 01
        They have already sent 4 waves, and suddenly their light went out.
        1. +3
          28 November 2022 14: 13
          Well, it’s their own fault - it was necessary to catch, so much dough .... lol
  3. 0
    28 November 2022 11: 43
    The acquisition of these automatic carbines for the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place against the backdrop of the failure of Soviet-made small arms. Also, the purpose of this deal is to form new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine using weapons of a new Western type.
    . It is understandable, squandered, stockpiled everything and everyone.
    And these acquisitions will be done even faster.
  4. +1
    28 November 2022 11: 43
    He smiled: "And the plant, apparently, Kyiv wants to build at someone else's expense." Bayraktar is already pouring the foundation for the campaign .... and these sites are already being marked with twine for workshops.
    1. +1
      28 November 2022 11: 45
      The Turks merged, like a couple of months ... And new factories (any) 404th does not shine at all from the word. Why, I think it is not necessary to explain.
  5. +3
    28 November 2022 11: 45
    He wants the West to pay for its own deliveries of large batches of M4 to Ukraine. And the plant, apparently, Kyiv wants to build at someone else's expense.
    You can't hide the Ukrainian mentality behind a European signboard stretched over an embroidered shirt. The same is demonstrated in Europe by the Ukrainian so-called. "refugees".
    1. +1
      28 November 2022 11: 51
      These "refugees" have already begun to be driven from everywhere in Europe with almost pissed rags. Bulgarians are chasing. The Irish are driving. The British are evicted. The Germans - also began to relocate almost to sheds from corrugated board. Naturally, this is all.

      PS The Germans are so especially outraged after the case when the Krajinskys beat an age couple for what they even told them in Russian.
  6. 0
    28 November 2022 11: 56
    Well, nothing new. "Purchase" in the Ukrainian interpretation has always meant that someone else will pay for it and donate it. Or will give in debt... which then it will be possible not to give.
  7. 0
    28 November 2022 11: 57
    This is good, there will be more than 200 Bandera scum, since the M4 for our conditions immediately goes to the owner of the cranks ...
    1. 0
      28 November 2022 11: 58
      and how long will this M4 work in such weather conditions and dirt?
      there, tanks sink into the slurry up to the tower and are barely pulled out, in the trenches there is slurry too. or will they use this M4 in cellophane?
    2. 0
      29 November 2022 10: 45
      M4 for our conditions immediately to the owner of the cranks ...

      This is far from true. Normally, these machines work in far from the most difficult conditions of the middle zone of Eastern Europe.
      Considering everyone around as stupid and mediocre is generally not the best tactic if anything;)
  8. 0
    28 November 2022 11: 59
    The acquisition of these automatic carbines for the Armed Forces of Ukraine occurred against the backdrop of the failure of Soviet-made small arms. This is how to try and what to do with it so that the Soviet small arms fail, it is practically eternal.
    1. 0
      28 November 2022 12: 02
      "a bad deed is not cunning" (c) folk

      if you don’t clean, don’t maintain, don’t take care of the weapon, any one won’t last long
    2. 0
      28 November 2022 15: 30
      practically eternal, if you keep it in a gunsmith and go on guard duty with it once a week, and once every six months to the shooting range.
      And if at the front with intense hostilities, then nothing is eternal
    3. 0
      29 November 2022 10: 48
      Quote: potap6509
      This is how to try and what to do with it so that Soviet small arms fail

      Enough just enough intensive use. EMNIP, for example, for the same AK74 / AKS74, the regulatory barrel life is 10 rounds. Then, according to the rules that existed during the Soviet Union, weapons were to be replaced.
      And no, French, German, American or Chinese-made weapons are not immune to wear. And in the same way, it gradually becomes unusable from long and frequent use.
  9. +3
    28 November 2022 12: 22
    when shooting on the battlefield, their consumption amounts to hundreds of thousands a day, and replenishing them just as quickly with new supplies is not an easy task.

    OKSV in the DRA, with an average strength of 100 people, spent about 000 million rounds of ammunition per month. Those. 300 million per day. This is 10 tons of cartridges in the form factor 130x5,45. For 39x5,56, this will be somewhat larger values ​​both in terms of weight and volume. (for those who are interested) wink
  10. 0
    28 November 2022 12: 53
    The acquisition of these automatic carbines for the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place against the backdrop of the failure of Soviet-made small arms.

    M4A1 automatic carbine caliber 5,56x45 mm - a shortened version of the American M16A2 rifle, with a folding butt

    since when shooting on the battlefield, their consumption is estimated in hundreds of thousands a day, and replenishing them just as quickly with new supplies is not an easy task.
    223 Remington cartridges are riveted at Bulgarian factories in the millions https://www.arsenal-bg.com/c/small-arms-ammunition-31/556x45-mm-cartridges-66
    Don't you think that the article is written somehow in an amateurish way?
    1. 0
      28 November 2022 13: 44
      Quote from Woroshilow
      223 Remington cartridges are riveted at Bulgarian factories by the millions

      So these guards want money for their cartridges. smile
      1. 0
        28 November 2022 15: 33
        Do you think the States will not buy cartridges for Ukraine from a NATO country? :))
    2. 0
      29 November 2022 10: 42
      Quote from Woroshilow
      223 Remington cartridges are riveted at Bulgarian factories in the millions https://www.arsenal-bg.com/c/small-arms-ammunition-31/556x45-mm-cartridges-66

      And, in general, not only in Bulgarian. They are not riveted anywhere. If we are talking specifically about "civilian" .223 Remington. Military 5,56x45mm NATO is also made a lot in different countries of this very military-political NATO bloc.
      1. 0
        29 November 2022 12: 03
        109mm SS5,56 cartridge with steel core bullet

        In my comment there is a link to the nomenclature of cartridges of the Bulgarian plant. These are precisely the combat gross cartridges M855
        1. 0
          29 November 2022 14: 51
          Quote from Woroshilow
          These are precisely the combat gross cartridges M855

          Well, these contracts, if they are (regardless of the country whose armed forces will be the final recipient of the supplies) paid for by the American federal budget, Bulgarian industrialists will not see with a guarantee. Such orders will be filled by cartridge factories in the United States itself.
  11. 0
    28 November 2022 13: 04
    Carbines, this is just the beginning. The country does not make cartridges for this carbine at all.
    But while they are being transported for free - why pay? Judging by what is happening, Ukraine has already entered NATO, the EU and the US budget, without signing anything. They are already part of the Western world
    1. 0
      29 November 2022 15: 55
      Quote: APASUS
      Judging by what is happening, Ukraine has already entered NATO, the EU and the US budget,

      Nothing surprising! Several million Ukrainians have been up to their ears in the budget of Canada for thirty years)))
  12. -1
    28 November 2022 13: 11
    I would not trust this front swell, even if the trophy is a maximum as an additional weapon.
  13. 0
    28 November 2022 15: 04
    Now they are using all the different-sized remnants of weapons of the last century brought to them and will switch to NATO standards. And this unified one has also accumulated ... (a lot).
  14. 0
    29 November 2022 00: 02
    Automatic carbine M4A1 caliber 5,56x45 mm - a shortened version of the American rifle M16A2, with a folding butt. Its weight is relatively small - 3,2 kg, which makes the weapon convenient for active use. M4 is equipped with a top mounting rail (Picatinny rail), removable handle. There is also a Picatinny rail on the forearm. Sighting range of the carbine - up to 500 m.

    Dirt and cold will show how convenient this weapon is and how it will help the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... I think we, as AK carriers, will have another advantage in battles with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  15. 0
    29 November 2022 10: 40
    so that the West pays for its own supplies

    And what is really surprising here? In a similar scheme for the same US government, for example, there is nothing new at all. For example, it looks like this - the US federal budget pays for the supply of weapons and ammunition for the Iraqi Armed Forces. The American military-industrial complex is getting orders and profits, and ISIS terrorists in Iraq are fighting Iraqi soldiers instead of American soldiers.
    (* The organization has been recognized as a terrorist organization by a decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation that has entered into legal force; the organization’s activities on the territory of the Russian Federation are prohibited.)
    when developing this small arms in the United States, three caliber options were used (7,62x39 mm, 5,56x39 mm and 5,56x45 mm).

    When developing which particular weapon? M4 assault rifle? Well, under no cartridge, except for 5,56x45mm, this machine was not developed.
    Military versions of assault rifles based on the AR15 / M16 system chambered for 7,62x39mm also exist, but are not currently widely used. Of the well-known - models manufactured by Knight's Armament Company (USA), Colt Manufacturing Company (USA), CMMG (USA). Perhaps there are such modifications manufactured by Norinco (People's Republic of China), but I'm not sure here. I hear about the 5,56x39mm cartridge for the first time.