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The West demands from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to start a general battle: a summary of the progress of the special operation

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The West demands from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to start a general battle: a summary of the progress of the special operation

Immediately after the completion of Zelensky's victorious photo shoots in Kherson, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to deploy infantry, equipment and strike equipment in this city, hiding behind residential buildings, schools and hospitals. Russian artillery inflicts targeted strikes on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including as part of counter-battery combat.


On the right bank, the enemy does not stop forming DRGs for their landing across the Dnieper. One of the sabotage groups was discovered by observers in the process of loading onto boats and liquidated by artillery fire.

The Ukrainian command in the areas important to it continues to attempt an offensive in the conditions of limp soil due to heavy rains. Enemy columns are forced to use the highways shot by Russian artillery. As a result, the destruction of the assault groups is recorded in the process of the march. For example, during the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Svatovo region, one of the enemy columns was destroyed.

The persistence with which the Kyiv regime continues to carry out offensive operations is caused by the West's demand not to stop at the achieved frontiers. The owners of the square are afraid that as a result of the alleged destruction of the energy infrastructure, the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will significantly decrease, and in this regard, Kyiv is rushing to give a general battle to the Russian army. Against this background, we should expect the deployment of large-scale hostilities, and the current activity at the front should be considered as probing the defense of Russian troops before the start of a major offensive.



The West is forced to push Kyiv to a general battle, and in connection with the exhaustion armory arsenals in many NATO countries. The alliance says that already 20 members of the organization have lost their reserves, transferring all the reserves to the independent. At the moment, the resources accumulated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sufficient to launch a large-scale attack. For example, Ukrainian troops are said to fire between 2 and 4 shells a day, outpacing even Russian artillery fire. The formation of new units also speaks of a surplus of resources. However, materiel tends to run out, and extensive new deliveries are not expected due to the growing shortage in NATO countries. Therefore, the existing backlog must be used in the near future.

For the entire period of the special operation, the decisive battle between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation never happened. When the initiative on the battlefield was in the hands of the Russian troops, they were dispersed along a vast front and could not carry out any major offensive operations due to their small numbers. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, having seized the initiative during the autumn campaign, could not impose a general battle on the RF Armed Forces: the Russian battle formations withdrew from both the Kharkov and Kherson directions to new defensive lines without engaging in a large-scale battle.

At the same time, the West, tired of constant help from the independent, needs a concrete result in the form of a defeated enemy, and not the constant victorious reports of the Kyiv regime against the backdrop of the capture of Izyum or Kherson - cities that mean nothing to either Europe or the United States. At the same time, the Russian command no longer has room for maneuver: a further withdrawal of troops will turn into battles in fact in the depths of the Russian border regions. Under these conditions, we should soon expect the start of a general battle between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which can take place as soon as winter freezes the soil.
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  1. Arkady007
    Arkady007 26 November 2022 20: 39
    +47
    It is difficult to discuss the situation with maneuvers when, in fact, nothing is known.
    We'll wait. There seems to be a game of endurance here.
    While we wait and we hammer infrastructure. Chaos and confusion behind enemy lines is a plus for us.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 26 November 2022 20: 47
      +38
      It is difficult to discuss the situation with maneuvers ...

      It is difficult to imagine what general battles we can talk about at all? Summer is over, autumn is ending, winter is coming. The energy infrastructure of Ukraine is being destroyed. Cities cannot live without heat, water, sewerage and electricity, the people are in poverty, maybe they will remember how they rode on the Maidan and about their chants about Muscovites. The earth is round, everything returned to them many times more. So "What are we for?" won't roll anymore. So you are right - "We will wait."
      1. Fluk54
        Fluk54 27 November 2022 05: 04
        +5
        Somewhere on the forum I read a phrase suitable for this case. - "The Germans did not forgive Hitler for the destroyed cities and everyday troubles. The Germans did not forgive Hitler for the defeat." And now, on the other side, there are also Russians and they have more patience than the Germans. And it is hardly worth expecting that only the collapse of the social sphere will cause shifts in the consciousness and behavior of the population. Hatred towards us - yes, it will.
        1. Arkady007
          Arkady007 27 November 2022 10: 07
          +5
          And if we surrender to the mercy of the victorious NATO, then the whole world will thank us and clap our hands with happiness that everything that is ours has become theirs.
          Will this be the correct conduct of hostilities in your opinion?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 27 November 2022 12: 21
            +4
            Quote: Arkady007
            And if we give up

            And if we surrender, then the inevitable Last War will begin as soon as NATO brings enough nuclear missiles to Ukraine.
            However, it will start anyway - sooner or later these missiles will be delivered to Finland, and it is no further from Moscow than to Ukraine. But here at least we won’t hit the relatives with return fire. In Ukraine, every third relative in Russia has.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 27 November 2022 11: 52
          +5
          They have hated us for centuries. As the Germans at one time accepted the reality that they were nobody, so the Ukrainians will accept it. And let them put their hatred in one place. hi
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. Vladimir100
              Vladimir100 27 November 2022 17: 41
              -10
              Rave. They were formed separately from the Russians for several centuries in a row and have long strived for independence. Tell this to the Khoklyars in some Cherkasy or Khmelnytsky region, they will laugh.
              1. Beregovic_1
                Beregovic_1 28 November 2022 16: 14
                +1
                I would not be so categorical and the opinion of the Khokhlary is, as it were, not authoritative. But you are right that they really wanted independence for a very long time, and this is not a matter of one century. And you are right that Poles, Lithuanians, Turks and Russians also influenced the formation of Ukrainian culture.
        3. Administrator
          Administrator 27 November 2022 17: 37
          0
          That's exactly how it works. Against the backdrop of enthusiasm for "military victories" and the result of the work of the propaganda machine, it is easy to ignore some everyday inconveniences for a short time. Some and not for long. The modern resident of the metropolis is very different in the necessary minimum comfort and living conditions from the resident of the 1940s. Offer a dozen of your close people to voluntarily sit for a day or two without TV and the Internet - you will immediately understand this dependence. And if we add to this the lack of electricity, water supply, gas and clogged sewers and cold? The vast majority of modern apartments do not provide stove heating and an outdoor toilet such as a toilet.
          And the inhabitant, inspired by victories on the fronts, experiences cognitive dissonance - "The stronger we win, the worse we live ?!", "Why, if we all win the same way, but some have all the benefits, while others have slipped into the Middle Ages?", " Why, the stronger we win, the more people are thrown out of the country, we live worse, and there are more and more missing people, where do they disappear?
          This, by the way, is already increasingly beginning to slip in public, people are starting to ask questions and look for those who are really to blame for real problems.
          a few for example:
          https://t.me/SALOBOY/12710
          https://t.me/RtrDonetsk/12310
          https://t.me/SALOBOY/12721
        4. Igor_Aretano
          Igor_Aretano 27 November 2022 20: 37
          +2
          The Germans also had hatred. But we defeated them. We will also defeat Banderstadt. They are magicians there, or what? When can there be miraculous victories in the rear ala ulu at the front?
        5. Barberry25
          Barberry25 28 November 2022 08: 40
          +1
          hatred was cultivated in Ukraine long before 2014, so it’s not important .. it’s a pity for people, yes, but this is a war and watching how Ukrainians rejoice in the execution of our soldiers who are captured, you understand ... something else is important here .. we have the full deployment of 300 K troops is approaching, which means that there will be about 450 K troops at the front against the early 150 thousand .. i.e. it will be difficult to talk later about any offensives by the Armed Forces of Ukraine
      2. Misha bolshoy
        Misha bolshoy 28 November 2022 08: 40
        0
        The Germans are also on the other side and will not forgive either. Just like the French, Poles, Czechs, Swedes, etc. long list.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 26 November 2022 21: 07
      +17
      - I'm already 19 years old, and I'm just a cornet! And no perspective! I was not even allowed to maneuver!
      - Manyo-yovry!
      “They weren’t allowed to go to maneuvers!” The colonel said that he generally refused to accept reports from Baron Munchausen.
    3. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 27 November 2022 05: 08
      0
      Quote: Arkady007
      It is difficult to discuss the situation with maneuvers when basically nothing is known.
      yes request
      that's the trouble, we don't know the ESSENCE ... what
  2. Igor_Aretano
    Igor_Aretano 26 November 2022 20: 42
    -27
    War is not only the front line. War is also a state of rear. And everything is fine with the rear of the Ukrainians.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 20: 45
      +34
      everything is fine with the rear of the Ukrainians.
      Rockets are flying back and forth, mopeds are buzzing, there is no light, the mobile reserve is scurrying along the paths through the Carpathians to the EU. But in general, normal, yeah yes .
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 26 November 2022 20: 54
        +29
        Of course, it’s normal. If we assume that they have a rear-Poland with Germany. Yes, and in the LBS they can easily create an advantage in at least two sections. So I won’t be surprised at anything when it freezes.
        1. bayard
          bayard 26 November 2022 23: 36
          +10
          Quote: dmi.pris
          and on the LBS they can easily create an advantage in at least two sections. So I won’t be surprised at anything when it freezes.

          This winter, after the arrival of our reserves in the theater of operations, they will no longer have a numerical superiority. They can try to attack, but I would not bother with success in this. The RF Armed Forces, on the contrary, have a window of opportunity. But so far there is still no certainty what the Kremlin wants ... To talk? (in the sense of negotiations with the West) Or is he still starting to think (at least a little) about victory?
          This secret is great.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 27 November 2022 14: 34
            0
            Greetings colleague! Unsubscribed in a personal.
        2. Pantsuy
          Pantsuy 27 November 2022 03: 45
          +3
          Quote: dmi.pris
          If we assume that they have rear-Poland with Germany

          But their near rear is on the banks of the Dnieper. Moreover, we helped them a lot in the formation of this rear. if earlier we were told that we have an overwhelming superiority in firepower and we fire 20 shells for every Ukrainian shell, then the author of this article is already saying that the Ukrainians have already been “shot” higher than ours. What does it say? About the fact that the near rear is unhindered, as shells are delivered along the conveyor. Moreover, they are delivered through intact and intact railway junctions and bridges across the Dnieper. They have been talking about the unwillingness of our authorities to destroy them for many months. I am inclined to think that this is simply not the ability of our military to destroy such objects. not the ability and inability to carry out such strikes in order to completely cut off the enemy grouping from supplies. Here Ukraine was able to do it in the direction of Kherson, but we did not.
          1. brave
            brave 29 November 2022 23: 42
            0
            Quote: Pantsuy
            I am inclined to think that this is simply not the ability of our military to destroy such objects. not the ability and inability to carry out such strikes in order to completely cut off the enemy grouping from supplies. Here Ukraine was able to do it in the direction of Kherson, but we did not.

            But what about the Odessa bridge across the Dniester estuary?
            They all know how, but for some reason they don't want to
      2. Msi
        Msi 26 November 2022 21: 14
        +12
        Rockets are flying back and forth, mopeds are buzzing, there is no light, the mobile reserve is scurrying along the paths through the Carpathians to the EU. But in general, normal, yeah yes.

        Losses 1 to 7 or 1 to 8 for Ukrainians. Ukrainian cemeteries are all crammed with "flags". The normals are about to win. wassat
        1. navigator777
          navigator777 26 November 2022 22: 57
          +11
          Quote from Msi
          Rockets are flying back and forth, mopeds are buzzing, there is no light, the mobile reserve is scurrying along the paths through the Carpathians to the EU. But in general, normal, yeah yes.

          Losses 1 to 7 or 1 to 8 for Ukrainians. Ukrainian cemeteries are all crammed with "flags". The normals are about to win. wassat

          They don't give a damn about it, they still have people and they will drive them to the slaughter, while their tactics of filling us with corpses bore fruit.
          1. Igor_Aretano
            Igor_Aretano 27 November 2022 20: 43
            +1
            Their people don't really want to fight anymore. 3 million of their men of military age abroad. And damn they'll be back.
      3. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 26 November 2022 21: 51
        0
        The rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is torn apart. Complete crap. 400 thousand - losses. Our losses are 14 thousand, which I worry about a lot.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 21: 56
          +12
          400 thousand losses
          It is worth noting that Svidomo who have faded to London also talk about catastrophic losses. So this is clearly the case.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 November 2022 23: 46
            +5
            Americans estimate the irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
            (killed, wounded, missing) approximately 100 thousand.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 23: 49
              +3
              Ukrainians who are lucky enough to dump in London - a thousand a day. They say a lot is recorded as missing. They say that many do not even reach the front line - the columns are smashing. And this is quite so to speak, pro-Ukrainian Ukrainians.
              1. Comrade
                Comrade 27 November 2022 02: 34
                +1
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Ukrainians who were lucky to go to London

                Sorry, colleague, for a question off topic.
                Let me ask you, how much do Ukrainian refugees get paid when they come to England? We give them three thousand at once, but even then the golden rain continues to drizzle on them.
                Canada is depressed, prices are rising, but wages are not. Therefore, many people are outraged to the point of gnashing of teeth that Ukrainian freeloaders live in clover at our expense, but they can’t do anything - democracy, sir.
                This means that the opinion of the taxpayer and the voter is on the side.
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 03: 24
                  +5
                  how much do ukrainian refugees get paid
                  I was not particularly interested, and as far as I understand, they have the right to basic benefits. That's 80 pounds per nose per week. This is with free housing, transport, education and medicine, and often free grub from some fund. By Christmas they'll each give £900 to ease the fuel crisis. In addition, they have the right to employment, but this requires a lot of documents, and indeed the defenders of Europe work in scrap yes I would like to note that the British authorities prudently hid information on this subject from their citizens.
                  1. Comrade
                    Comrade 27 November 2022 05: 00
                    +5
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    I was not particularly interested and as far as I understand, they are entitled to basic benefits.

                    Got it, thanks a lot!
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    I would like to note that the British authorities prudently hid information on this subject from their citizens.

                    Ours is similar. If you find out something, it's by chance. Here is a glaring example. Getting a job on the Bombardier, even for a local, is almost the same as jumping on the moon. And I know a case when a refugee from Ukraine - without local education, without languages, without work experience - jokingly got a job there. And then he got his wife. They communicate with colleagues and superiors through Google translator.
                    I discussed this with my comrades, they told me that serious companies received orders from Ottawa to hire such and such a number of refugees.
                    Imagine that you come to the Rolls-Royce, for example, take out an interpreter from your pocket and start interviewing for a job.
                    And you, without even listening to the end, are holding out a contract for signing. And they don’t even ask if you have experience, relevant education, etc.

                    I myself am from Ukraine, and I know very well from my acquaintances that there are a lot of settlements there, where they have never heard of hostilities.
                    So, in fact, there is where to "run away from the war".
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 05: 17
                      +3
                      there are a lot of settlements where they have never heard of hostilities.
                      Here, too, those who saw the war on TV rushed to live in the EU for free.
                      serious companies received orders from Ottawa
                      Here they were smart enough not to employ them in this way. Yes, and they do not want to work. And due to the lack of housing, they are resettled in places where there is simply no work.
                      1. Comrade
                        Comrade 27 November 2022 05: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Here they were smart enough not to employ them in this way. Yes, and they do not want to work. And due to the lack of housing, they are resettled in places where there is simply no work.

                        Clever, we would.
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 05: 43
                        +1
                        They are only allowed in if they find someone willing to provide them with housing. And if there were any in so-called arseholshire (a forgotten province where lonely pensioners live, whose children have faded to big cities), then after scattered stories about respect laughing refugees to the host country and the general way of life here, have long since disappeared. And being outside the EU, Britain is not obliged to keep the borders open. The refugees themselves are also dissatisfied - apparently, they sincerely believed that they were waiting for free apartments in the center of London and houses on the southern coast.
                2. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 27 November 2022 11: 05
                  +2
                  Here in Australia they pay 400 dollars a week to Ukrainian refugees. Someone is lucky.
                  1. Comrade
                    Comrade 27 November 2022 15: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Alex Justice
                    Here in Australia they pay 400 dollars a week to Ukrainian refugees. Someone is lucky.

                    And where are they settled, on the islands, like other refugees, or are they allowed into the country?
                    1. Alex Justice
                      Alex Justice 29 November 2022 16: 58
                      0
                      They settle where they want. The allowance for the family is enough to rent an apartment and for food.
            2. Comrade
              Comrade 27 November 2022 02: 27
              +5
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Americans estimate the irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
              (killed, wounded, missing) approximately 100 thousand.

              I recently went to the website of the state statistics of Ukraine, there is a section "Demography". Lots of detailed information in all areas. I was not too lazy and calculated what kind of mobilization resource does Ukraine have in theory?
              Officially, there are about twelve million men of military age, but it is not known how many of them are actually in Ukraine. But even if only half, then six million potential soldiers come out.
              There is no doubt that in the West there will be both money and weapons for them. It is difficult to "grind" such a mass of troops, which means that the gradual loosening of the energy system, and hence the rear of Ukraine, is the right strategy.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 03: 32
                +1
                There is no doubt that in the West there will be both money and weapons for them.
                Arming, dressing, equipping, fitting equipment for a million is already tens of billions. There are doubts.
                1. Comrade
                  Comrade 27 November 2022 05: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  Arming, dressing, equipping, fitting equipment for a million is already tens of billions. There are doubts.

                  If at the same time - then yes, you are right, of course.
                  But the West has the ability to maintain a million-strong Ukrainian army, which it is doing now. As the fighters are eliminated, the combat units will be replenished. And so on until all six million are over. And there will grow up those who, by age, do not fall under the draft. The West is serious, the experience of Afghanistan shows that it does not bother them to fight with proxy for decades. Money will be found.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 05: 20
                    +1
                    so until all six million are over
                    When the first million is over, the remaining five will not want to fight.
                    Afghan experience shows
                    Ukrainians are not Afghans.
                    1. Comrade
                      Comrade 27 November 2022 05: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      When the first million is over, the remaining five will not want to fight.

                      Hopefully that will be so.
                      However, on the one hand, the level of fanaticism there is over the top. On the other hand, they will not be asked whether they want to fight or not.
                      Yes, today I had the opportunity to talk with a young refugee from Mariupol. Russian-speaking guy, roots - from the Far East. But stubbornly babbles about the "orcs" and the city destroyed by them. When asked why Ukraine bombed Donetsk for eight years, he replied that he had lived all this time in Mariupol and had not heard about the shelling. Like, it's all fiction.
                      I did not argue, I realized that it was useless.
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 05: 34
                        +1
                        the level of fanaticism there is off the charts for many
                        On the censor, who wrote off the sushnik, who told how the wounded miraculously left the environment and writes from the hospital where his mother brought him a phone, the writers who settled in Poland and Canada, who assured him that he was lying, and Ukraine was winning, were hunted down in a crowd yes
                        Fanaticism heals quickly.
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 05: 46
                        +2
                        I did not argue, I realized that it was useless
                        I have lived in Ukraine, and I know that it is simply useless to argue, especially pointing out the debater's own mistakes.
                2. megadeth
                  megadeth 27 November 2022 09: 46
                  +2
                  I don’t know about Canada, but the FSA and the geyropa print money themselves. How much you need so much and they will draw and inflation is on their side. It’s not worth it for the ukroreich to stop flowing weapons and money, they are fighting with us on foreign territory and Ukrainians are dying for their vile ideas and values ​​.... The best situation for them may not work out ... So we need not relax and prepare to fight for the long haul... hi
                  1. Comrade
                    Comrade 27 November 2022 14: 51
                    0
                    Quote: megadeth
                    I don’t know about Canada, but the FSA and the geyropa print money themselves.

                    Canada does things differently.
                    When you need money, they just raise taxes and interest rates. About six billion have already been spent on Ukraine this year. And that's not counting the benefits for refugees, and it smells like three or four billion.
                    Where to get money?
                    They raised the interest rate, as a result, there are now hundreds of thousands of households in the country that pay mortgages, but the mortgage is not paid. Everything you pay to the bank goes to debt servicing. The debt itself is not reduced. My friend, for example, paid 1 per month. Of these, about a thousand went to repay the debt. And now nothing is going to pay off the debt. The state takes everything for itself, so that later it can be given to refugees and Ukraine.
                  2. Stepan S
                    Stepan S 27 November 2022 15: 04
                    +1
                    How much you need so much and they will draw and inflation is on their side.

                    This is your key misconception. Inflation is already and the United States is not on the side. They are forced to raise the key rate, and this causes a fall in lending, an increase in the cost of loans and will cause bankruptcy of enterprises and banks. Not everything is so simple, with inflation above 10% and this is only what they publish, and the real one is even higher.
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 27 November 2022 00: 25
            +2
            Yes, there are now unmeasured NATO troops. It is necessary to completely cut down their satellites and electricity, and bomb the rear, especially near Poland and Romania. yes
        2. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 26 November 2022 22: 00
          +6
          Our losses are 14 thousand, which I am very worried about.

          They wrote in Telegram that the losses, judging by the payments for the dead, are about 16 thousand.
          1. Msi
            Msi 26 November 2022 22: 24
            +18
            They wrote in Telegram that the losses, judging by the payments for the dead, are about 16 thousand.
            excluding Ldnr. It's all bittersweet and creepy. War.
        3. valera75
          valera75 27 November 2022 23: 06
          -1
          Quote: Alexander 3
          The rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is torn apart. Complete crap. 400 thousand - losses. Our losses are 14 thousand, which I worry about a lot.
          Yes, we have much more losses. Only in my very small town, from February to April, dead relatives were buried with friends and on the same day they buried five first and a little later four more. from February to April. If you count up to November, then it’s generally easy for fifty dollars, if not more. Now count 1117 cities in Russia, this is without villages, and multiply by 50, we get 55850, add crippled and not with light wounds, but with heavy ones, then you can safely add so much and what do we get? 5900 what Shoigu said is the tales of the Vienna Woods.
      4. nordscout
        nordscout 27 November 2022 13: 20
        +2
        Of course, "normal"! Their (Ukraine) rear is the entire EU (NATO) + USA, with its financial and economic potential and manpower for the Armed Forces of Ukraine (in the form of volunteers, etc., etc.). Here are the generators with transformers, for electric power systems, are already waiting to be sent to the Polish border area. Not far off is the supply of Leopards and Abrams ... Ukraine will be "forced" to fight "not by washing, but by rolling" ... The West does not care about Ukraine, their "Wishlist" is to weaken Russia as much as possible, bringing it to social explosion and change of the country's leadership, followed by dismemberment into "specific principalities" ....
    2. An K-s
      An K-s 26 November 2022 22: 09
      +5
      And let me clarify, what is normal in their rear? Announce the entire list, please ik. (With)
    3. Former soldier
      Former soldier 27 November 2022 00: 56
      +1
      War is not only the front line. War is also a state of rear. And everything is fine with the rear of the Ukrainians.

      Be specific. For enlightenment.
    4. Li17
      Li17 27 November 2022 06: 53
      +2
      Quote: Igor_Aretano
      War is not only the front line. War is also a state of rear. And everything is fine with the rear of the Ukrainians.

      Yes, listen to you ukrov ... And they destroyed all the aviation, our losses are already many times greater than the number of troops, all the missiles were shot down, and finally already near Rostov and Belgorod! And Ukrainians to accept a fight in the EU (an analogy when they were taken to Germany as slaves), and now everything is fine in the rear! And what are you eating there, it’s like you don’t grow lard anymore .... and moonshine is also necessary ... It looks like a really humanitarian aid with dope, only because you can see the rear!
  3. multicam
    multicam 26 November 2022 20: 43
    0
    Previous similar demands of the West ended with Kharkov "regrouping" and "brilliant" withdrawal from Kherson
    1. Chem1st
      Chem1st 26 November 2022 21: 25
      +3
      There's an ammonia deal looming on the horizon, so it shouldn't be surprising...
      1. Former soldier
        Former soldier 27 November 2022 00: 57
        +1
        There's an ammonia deal looming on the horizon, so it shouldn't be surprising...

        And what's this whole business about ammonia? sad
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 27 November 2022 01: 21
          +3
          Other explanations are even more incredible. request
  4. saygon66
    saygon66 26 November 2022 20: 46
    +9
    - It seems that there, in the West, it doesn’t matter who piles on someone ...
    - They will continue to communicate with the winners, they will not remember the losers.
    1. tatra
      tatra 26 November 2022 21: 12
      -28
      There will be no winners. Russia and the Russian people have already lost, as well as Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. But Ukrainians have hope for the help of the West and Europe in restoring Ukraine, and Russia will not recover after all this.
      But the Russian enemies of the USSR do not care about Russia and its people, they went into a rage, into ecstasy from everything they did in Ukraine.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 21: 16
        +16
        assistance from the West and Europe in the restoration of Ukraine
        And the West and Europe are charitable organizations?
        1. tatra
          tatra 26 November 2022 21: 20
          -19
          The West already had a "Marshall Plan" for the post-war reconstruction of 18 countries of Western Europe, and yes, not without benefit for itself.
          And who will help the Russian enemies of the USSR, who even ruined their miserable raw-material-import economy?
          Their "new friends" - North Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe, Guinea-Bissau?
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 21: 25
            +26
            18 countries of Western Europe
            Give the Germans three billion, they will build three factories. Give the Ukrainians five, they will say that it is not enough and ask for at least ten more. These are different people, and dill are Europeans only geographically.
            1. tatra
              tatra 26 November 2022 21: 31
              -10
              Come on, the Russian enemies of the USSR are no different from the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR - they did everything in the same way with the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR and their peoples they captured, they were equally enriched at the expense of their country and people, they have been parasitizing for 30 years due to the fact that they created and built the Soviet people, equally falsified the Soviet, pre-revolutionary, and their anti-Soviet period.
              It's just that the Russian enemies of the USSR got more freebies from the USSR.
              1. buravlev
                buravlev 26 November 2022 21: 46
                +21
                Listen, miserable (no? Or did you not come from the miserable industry of the USSR?), how did you survive in this backward Russian country, how did they even dare to give birth to you in this circle of hopelessness? Don't lie, fool. The USSR itself, without outside help, restored itself after complete devastation, created nuclear energy and mastered space. Only a very powerful country, only a very strong people can do that. Walk away, provocateur.
                1. man
                  man 27 November 2022 01: 08
                  +2
                  Listen, miserable (no? Or did you not come from the miserable industry of the USSR?), how did you survive in this backward Russian country, how did they even dare to give birth to you in this circle of hopelessness? Don't lie, fool. The USSR itself, without outside help, restored itself after complete devastation, created nuclear energy and mastered space. Only a very powerful country, only a very strong people can do that. Walk away, provocateur.
                  I completely agree with the highlight! But you apparently don’t know Tatra, she just always drowns for the USSR. It’s just unsuccessful, she put it too ornately and you didn’t understand smile
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 21: 50
                +10
                from Ukrainian enemies of the USSR
                I was talking about the Marshall Plan. So, the German and French enemies of the USSR are very different from the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR - the finances allocated to them will be profitably invested in their countries, and the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR will simply steal any amount of money, as experience shows.
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 November 2022 22: 57
                -1
                Quote: tatra
                Come on, the Russian enemies of the USSR are no different from the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR - they did everything the same with the RSFSR and Ukrainian SSR they captured and their peoples
                And who destroyed the USSR, if not the communists?
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                  DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 00: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And who destroyed the USSR, if not the communists?

                  "If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, looks like a duck, then it's a duck."
                  However, if he has a communist party card, calls himself a communist, acts as a communist, this does not mean that he is a communist. hi
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 27 November 2022 06: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                    this does not mean that the communist

                    That is, there were no communists in the Communist Party of the USSR in any important leadership positions?
                    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                      DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 11: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, there were no communists in the Communist Party of the USSR in any important leadership positions?

                      They were different.
                      The bottom line is that in a one-party system, even the most ardent opponent of the ideology of the ruling party, in order to enter power, are forced to wear sheepskins and join this ruling party, prevaricate and accumulate internal malice towards the system as they progress. "Perestroika" has opened a valve for such people to get out the malice of realizing their aspirations in the open. At least some possibility of non-violent self-cleansing of the parties gives, it seems to me, a multi-party system.
                      PS The essential difference between the careers of techies and the careers of rulers and humanitarians is that for them, even at high levels, party membership was not a prerequisite. That is why the concentration of "liberals in party clothes" was constantly growing, the concentration of those who knew how to do their job professionally fell. hi
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 November 2022 11: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        At least some possibility of non-violent self-cleansing of the parties gives, it seems to me, a multi-party system.

                        With a real multi-party system, they will only spoil each other, and they simply will not have time for anything else.
                      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 14: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        With a real multi-party system, they will only spoil each other, and they simply will not have time for anything else.

                        With a one-party system, there is no less shitting, only its character is more factional and undercover.
                        By the way, China demonstrated an inter-factional (with a touch of inter-clan) struggle against the physical liquidation of the vanquished. hi
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 November 2022 15: 20
                        0
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        With a one-party system, there is no less shitting, only its character is more factional and undercover.
                        Of course, but there is still less energy spent on squabbling.
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        By the way, China demonstrated an inter-factional (with a touch of inter-clan) struggle against the physical liquidation of the vanquished.
                        Exactly.
              4. Hagen
                Hagen 27 November 2022 08: 01
                0
                Quote: tatra
                Russian enemies of the USSR are no different from Ukrainian enemies of the USSR

                Well, of course. All were not ordinary members of the CPSU. laughing True, today some are hiding somewhere in third countries, trying to save the stolen goods, others are crying about the lost opportunities of the times of loans-for-shares auctions, placing all the blame on some "enemies of the communists and the USSR." And again, one can note a feature that unites both groups - they are all layers of the same pseudo-communist mold, which from the stands carried empty slogans and false promises to the fooled rank and file of the party, which they themselves did not believe in.
            2. man
              man 27 November 2022 00: 52
              -2
              Give the Germans three billion, they will build three factories. Give the Ukrainians five, they will say that it is not enough and ask for at least ten more. These are different people, and dill are Europeans only geographically.
              Give the Russian "elite" 50 billion, they will steal another 500 and say that it is not enough!
          2. Msi
            Msi 26 November 2022 22: 03
            -1
            And who will help the Russian enemies of the USSR, who even ruined their miserable raw-material-import economy?
            Their "new friends" - North Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe, Guinea-Bissau?

            Don't worry about the money. They haven’t scraped the bottom of the barrel yet. laughing
          3. multicam
            multicam 27 November 2022 00: 41
            +1
            A very interesting thesis about "without benefit for themselves."
            Can you please give a real example of Americans doing something where they do not want to end up with economic or political benefits? Sometimes all together?
            On the one hand, the Marshall Plan helped countries that eventually became NATO members, that is, US allies in the fight against the USSR, and on the other hand, it saved the States from excess money supply in order to remove inflation. And where did you see charity here?
            1. dauria
              dauria 27 November 2022 03: 13
              +2
              And where did you see charity here?

              You're right. The Marshall Plan is just a tied loan. With this money you can buy only American goods, giving work to the Americans. And then they gave it back in dollars, making the dollar the currency everyone needed. No charity.
          4. Former soldier
            Former soldier 27 November 2022 01: 02
            +4
            And who will help the Russian enemies of the USSR, who even ruined their miserable raw-material-import economy?

            And who used to help after 45g.? With our cheap resources, we don't need helpers. It just takes skill to manage.
          5. Guran33 Sergey
            Guran33 Sergey 27 November 2022 04: 38
            0
            Before the "marshall" it is necessary to pacify the territory .. And peace will not be seen there for many more years .. This is the same carrot in front of the nose as the entry of the outskirts into the EU and NATO
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 26 November 2022 21: 35
        -2
        - Ambiguous... The Russian Empire was not among the winners in the First World War, however, this did not lead to the destruction of the country or statehood!
        - Yes, and the current West is not the British Empire of the 19th century, and not even the Third Reich ... What could they do in the Middle East? Yes, nothing special ... And sooner or later, Iraq, Syria, Libya will return to their previous state ... Hardly anyone in today's world is capable of total destruction of opponents ...
        1. gsev
          gsev 26 November 2022 21: 43
          +13
          Quote: saygon66
          The Russian Empire was not among the winners in the First World War, however, this did not lead to the destruction of the country or statehood!

          The victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war led to the preservation of statehood. Otherwise, Semyonov and Kolchak would have shared zones of influence in Transbaikalia, and Petliura and Denikin in the Donbass.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 26 November 2022 21: 54
            0
            - That is, in modern Russia you do not see forces capable of maintaining statehood, with a Possible (in the Tatra) defeat in this conflict?
            1. Msi
              Msi 26 November 2022 22: 06
              +5
              That is, in modern Russia you do not see forces capable of maintaining statehood, with a Possible (in the Tatra) defeat in this conflict?
              no such forces exist now. No matter how we treat Lenin now, he is still a big smart guy, a world-class figure.
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 26 November 2022 22: 14
                +4
                - Until 1903, the Bolsheviks did not exist at all ... and by the 17th year they were not particularly perceived ... but come on ...
                1. Msi
                  Msi 26 November 2022 22: 20
                  +2
                  and by the 17th year they were not particularly perceived ... but go ahead.

                  So the ideology was. Lenin was. Where are the thinkers now? Who can pick up the power if something happens?
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 22: 24
                    0
                    Who can take the power
                    Prigogine will pick it up. He will be able to keep it. Yes, and Kadyrov, in general, showed himself normally.
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 26 November 2022 22: 31
                      +10
                      - What can the city of Prigozhin and Kadyrov? To rule a huge country, it is not enough to be able to smash the heads of opponents with a sledgehammer ... The Khmer Rouge proved this ...
                      1. gsev
                        gsev 26 November 2022 22: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - What can the city of Prigozhin and Kadyrov?

                        Mishustin, after the first course of Stankin, actually led the Computing Center of this institute. The main thing is not to let the nestlings of the Nemtsov-Chubais nest into power.
                      2. saygon66
                        saygon66 26 November 2022 22: 45
                        +4
                        The party stood behind Ulyanov-Lenin... the party relied on the proletariat... the proletariat recognized itself as the main driving force of the country.
                        - Who is behind Mishustin? That's what it is...
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 22: 53
                        +6
                        Quote: saygon66
                        The party stood behind Ulyanov-Lenin... the party relied on the proletariat... the proletariat recognized itself as the main driving force of the country.

                        on October 17, no one was behind him
                      4. saygon66
                        saygon66 26 November 2022 23: 12
                        -6
                        I immediately remembered the anecdote about who made the Rr revolution in reality!
                        - This is a gap in my education ... But what about the RSDLP (b) ?, but where is the revolutionary proletariat?
                        - Yes, even the German General Staff (according to unconfirmed rumors) ...
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 23: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - This is a gap in my education ... But what about the RSDLP (b) ?, but where is the revolutionary proletariat?

                        what does the real gap have to do with it, you tell me more about the "storming" of the Winter Palace
                        so for information, the number of the RSDLP (b) is 2 (TWO) times less than the Socialist-Revolutionaries (350 thousand people, which was 0,225% of the population of the Empire) and this is already in October, in the spring even less
                        the main striking force (sailors) to the Bolsheviks in no way, nonsense about the workers, and even more so the peasants, leave
                      6. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 17
                        +1
                        - So they have nothing to do with adit at all?! And they put themselves in merit, and even established an order ...
                        However, it is not surprising ... during my studies, all this "political literacy" was already openly called "Tales of the grandmother of the CPSU" ...
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 00: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: saygon66
                        So they have nothing to do with it at all?!

                        why there was nothing to do with being in the right place at the right time and, most importantly, being able to take advantage of the current situation
                      8. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 28
                        0
                        Hmmm ... Nevertheless, the question of who Mr. Mishustin will lead (in the role of the Leader, if this happens) remains open ...
                      9. gsev
                        gsev 27 November 2022 11: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: saygon66
                        who will be led by Mr. Mishustin

                        The function of the state is also in the selection and verification of personnel. Selection on a purely party principle does not lead to good. This is true for the CPSU and for the liberals of the Yeltsin era. I think Putin himself is horrified by how quickly the descendants of prominent Bandera people turned out to be in the Nashi movement. And looking at the United Russia and the People's Front against the backdrop of the CPSU (b), the Leninist Komsomol and even the National Bolsheviks can only be done with sad irony.
                      10. gsev
                        gsev 27 November 2022 11: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: saygon66
                        However, it is not surprising ... during my studies, all this "political literacy" was already openly called "Tales of the grandmother of the CPSU" ...

                        Since the time of Stalin, the real history of the CPSU (b) has been the secret most guarded by state security. Especially in terms of the tactics of creating underground circles or promoting one's worldview in legal organizations. By the way, the history of the 2nd Congress of the RSDLP was studied in some detail and by real historical methods. It was as if students were invited to study on their own the entire interplay of the struggle for power and cash within the CPSU, drawing conclusions in their heads and not trying to create opposition to the CPSU when discussing what they learned.
                      11. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 00: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        on October 17, no one was behind him

                        But the people accepted them.
                        At least he accepted their slogans. hi
                      12. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 01: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        on October 17, no one was behind him

                        But the people accepted them.
                        At least he accepted their slogans. hi

                        in in, the people fell for the slogans
                      13. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 09: 48
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        in in, the people fell for the slogans

                        And he did not lose, judging by the subsequent development of the country. hi
                      14. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 11: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        Quote: poquello
                        in in, the people fell for the slogans

                        And he did not lose, judging by the subsequent development of the country. hi

                        )))) a whole bunch of executed participants in the revolution definitely didn’t lose, but judging in history how what could happen there is an intangible matter, for example, following the results of the WWI of the Russian Empire, the Turkish straits and a lot of land should have departed
                      15. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 07: 15
                        0
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        But the people accepted them.

                        what?
                      16. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 12: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        But the people accepted them.

                        what?

                        That part of it that earned, and this is the majority.
                        Parasitic and speculating did not accept.

                        A century has passed and the situation repeats itself.
                        The division is exactly the same, only the brain-processing tools have taken a huge leap forward, mostly in the hands of parasites and speculators.
                      17. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        That part of it that earned, and this is the majority.
                        Parasitic and speculating did not accept.

                        learn history, I'm not saying that the revolution was not needed, but to say that everyone accepted it, to put it mildly, is cunning
                      18. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 00: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: gsev
                        The main thing is not to let the nestlings of the Nemtsov-Chubais nest into power.

                        Today this nesting place is HSE.
                        Do not let them in too late, they are crazy at the top => you can only drive them, but you can’t see the power capable of it.
                      19. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 23: 01
                        +3
                        smash opponents' heads with a sledgehammer
                        I don't believe in bullshit.
                        1. The escaped Wagnerian lives quietly for himself and is doing well in Kyiv.
                        2. A squad of punishers PMC Wagner quietly rides around Ukraine
                        3. This same detachment easily finds a traitor and kidnaps him.
                        Yes, this is an operation that the KGB would be proud of in its best years. But none of these three points is realistic in today's Ukraine.
                        What they can offer is a reliable barrier against sisyanoids and caspar. It's not enough anymore.
                        By the way, Prigozhin's son does not live in Saint-Tropez, but fights in the Donbass.
                      20. saygon66
                        saygon66 26 November 2022 23: 06
                        +1
                        - Yes, honor them ... and praise! They will become ministers of defense and state security... There is no leader! laughing
                        - A sledgehammer not as a subject, but as a way of thinking... and, accordingly, of action! "Smash the dog heads of the opposition!" (C)
                      21. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 23: 13
                        +2
                        There is no leader!
                        If you need a real leader, in the Tumbo Yumbo tribe in New Guinea you can write out yes . But it seems to me that an intelligent manager (not a "manager" and not a xenopatriot) will do just fine.
                        If the story with the sledgehammer is true, even the Mossad would be proud of such an operation. And the traitor is cunning (from prison straight to Europe laughing) deservedly received.
                      22. saygon66
                        saygon66 26 November 2022 23: 22
                        +2
                        - The leader is very nada ... we can't do without it! Elective self-government does not work ... in any way.
                        - Maybe there is something in slogans like "Autocracy and Orthodoxy", "One country, one people ..."?
                      23. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 23: 27
                        +6
                        Maybe there is something in slogans like
                        If the tsar had not earned the nickname "rag" but had done at least some kind of modernization instead of a deliberately unnecessary war, then even now his great-grandson would be sitting on the throne and everything would be fine. But mayo sho mayo.
                      24. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 13
                        0
                        - Well, yes ... well, yes ... The great-great-grandfather of Nicholas II tried to carry out some modernization ...
                      25. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 00: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        If the tsar had not earned the nickname "rag" but had done at least some kind of modernization instead of a deliberately unnecessary war, then even now his great-grandson would be sitting on the throne and everything would be fine.

                        but can you tell me where the proletariat came from in the Republic of Ingushetia? successes in WWI and in the scientific and technological revolution just became the reason for the coup organized by the then fifth column
                      26. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 00: 55
                        +1
                        where did the proletariat come from in RI?
                        In the villages, 10 children were born.
                      27. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 01: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        where did the proletariat come from in RI?
                        In the villages, 10 children were born.

                        so like a backward agrarian country, the proletariat is in factories and factories in cities, by definition, this is me
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        did some upgrades

                        it was a time when the country was changing, including a rag is not a rag, but there was a process and progress
                      28. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 01: 01
                        0
                        - Well, everybody knows that! The bourgeoisie gave birth to the proletariat! That's what the classics said...
                      29. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 00: 41
                        0
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - Maybe there is something in slogans like "Autocracy and Orthodoxy", "One country, one people ..."?

                        Neither the Republic of Ingushetia nor the USSR have ever been mono-confessional.
                        There will be no RF. hi
                      30. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 48
                        +1
                        - That's the trick ... On what basis will we unite? Here the Bolsheviks united on property ...
                      31. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 12: 50
                        0
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - That's the trick ... On what basis will we unite? Here the Bolsheviks united on property ...

                        Also on the basis of the relationship to property.
                        There will be no other uniter.
                      32. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 00: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: saygon66
                        There is no leader!

                        We did not make a scandal - the leader was missing.
                        There are few real violent people - there are no leaders.
                        But the intrigues and nonsense of the network we have and nonsense,
                        And the wicked intrigues of enemies will not spoil us!

                        It's their skinny devils taking water in the pond,
                        It was all invented by Churchill in the eighteenth year.
                        We're talking about explosions, about fires, we wrote a TASS note,
                        Then the orderlies rushed and fixed us.

                        Those who were particularly fights, screwed to the backs of beds,
                        Fought in a foam paranoid, like a witcher on a Sabbath:
                        "Untie the towels, the heterodox, the fanatics,
                        We have a bermutorn heart and a bermut heart! "
                        https://lyricstranslate.com
                      33. saygon66
                        saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 30
                        0
                        - Wow! There are no violent ... some boring ...
            2. gsev
              gsev 26 November 2022 22: 12
              -12
              Quote: saygon66
              You do not see the forces capable of maintaining statehood, with a possible (according to the Tatra) defeat in this conflict?

              In the event of a defeat, it is necessary to deliver a nuclear strike by all means against the United States, Canada and Europe. After that, NATO will not be up to a weakened Russia, where Chinese special forces will not let it in. The Ukraine-Russia conflict was unleashed by NATO in order to force Russia into a confrontation with China. I think we have a better chance of holding out against NATO in alliance with the PRC than against China with the support of NATO. Therefore, the war in Ukraine must be waged by all available means, trying to destroy as many Ukrainians as possible. Until we destroy at least a couple of millions of enemies, there will be no victory. It will not be so easy to get out of the PRC if NATO forces us to fight against this country. You just need to launch a full-scale nuclear strike on Ukraine. If it is powerful and effective, NATO will not be left alone. There is no need to delay with this, as Putin pulled with mobilization.
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 26 November 2022 22: 23
                +10
                - China needs Russia as long as it is strong... otherwise, China will not be for Russia as a state, but for Russia as a raw material appendage and a sales market! The Chinese are extremely pragmatic...
          2. Msi
            Msi 26 November 2022 22: 09
            +7
            The victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war led to the preservation of statehood
            to assemble a country from fragments in such a short time, actions similar to a miracle. But they did it good
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 27 November 2022 00: 47
              +4
              Ideology formed the basis of the assembly.
              "Galoshes" do not pull on ideology.
          3. poquello
            poquello 27 November 2022 00: 05
            -2
            Quote: gsev
            Quote: saygon66
            The Russian Empire was not among the winners in the First World War, however, this did not lead to the destruction of the country or statehood!

            The victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war led to the preservation of statehood. Otherwise, Semyonov and Kolchak would have shared zones of influence in Transbaikalia, and Petliura and Denikin in the Donbass.

            mdya, with Korean girls raped with bolts of factory No. 3 from Tsuryupa street 15, you got more fun, and why not defeat someone from this list of the rest or agree or Makhno would defeat everyone and others or from other options like the Bavarian one as an alternative to blockade hunger ? )
      3. GUSAR
        GUSAR 26 November 2022 21: 50
        +1
        Are you out again? Tell me, why do you come here? No, I understand of course, but is it really possible to deceive so many people, so much time? But what are these questions...
      4. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 22: 06
        +3
        Quote: tatra
        There will be no winners. Russia and the Russian people have already lost, as well as Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. But Ukrainians have hope for the help of the West and Europe in restoring Ukraine, and Russia will not recover after all this.
        But the Russian enemies of the USSR do not care about Russia and its people, they went into a rage, into ecstasy from everything they did in Ukraine.

        In fact, the West was also sure that the USSR would not rise after the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.
        1. poquello
          poquello 27 November 2022 00: 23
          +2
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Quote: tatra
          There will be no winners. Russia and the Russian people have already lost, as well as Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. But Ukrainians have hope for the help of the West and Europe in restoring Ukraine, and Russia will not recover after all this.
          But the Russian enemies of the USSR do not care about Russia and its people, they went into a rage, into ecstasy from everything they did in Ukraine.

          In fact, the West was also sure that the USSR would not rise after the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.

          yes, even after 91 they were sure
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2022 20: 46
    +4
    The West is forced to push Kyiv to a general battle also in connection with the exhaustion of weapons arsenals in many NATO states. The alliance says that already 20 members of the organization have lost their reserves, transferring all the reserves to the independent.
    . Foreigners will lose only money, and Ukrainians are paying for their Wishlist with their lives!
    Of course, they themselves got into this muddle, but it was worth thinking with your head much earlier! History, normal, to remember, find and read, count and ...
    In general, this is not even stupidity, everything is much worse.
    It’s even worse to continue to lay down the bone in the fields, and in the rear, now ... you can run away, but you won’t run far from those “allies”, they have besieged and will be used to the end !!!
    1. tatra
      tatra 26 November 2022 21: 14
      -12
      And why do Putin's "cheers-patriots" give a damn about the fact that Russian men are paying for your and Irreplaceable Wishlist with their lives?
      1. Msi
        Msi 26 November 2022 21: 37
        +3
        And why do Putin's "cheers-patriots" give a damn about the fact that Russian men are paying for your and Irreplaceable Wishlist with their lives?

        What way out of this situation is acceptable for Russia? I'm talking about the war. What do you think? Share your opinion.
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 21: 50
          -6
          Quote from Msi
          And why do Putin's "cheers-patriots" give a damn about the fact that Russian men are paying for your and Irreplaceable Wishlist with their lives?

          What way out of this situation is acceptable for Russia? I'm talking about the war. What do you think? Share your opinion.

          Didn't you understand? It's simple - "Katz offers to surrender."
        2. Zakirov Damir
          Zakirov Damir 26 November 2022 23: 04
          -3
          Quote from Msi
          And why do Putin's "cheers-patriots" give a damn about the fact that Russian men are paying for your and Irreplaceable Wishlist with their lives?

          What way out of this situation is acceptable for Russia? I'm talking about the war. What do you think? Share your opinion.

          I will answer for him! The person believes that we are on the historical spiral of 1917-18 - "bayonets to the ground, the Brest peace and the overthrow of the autocracy." In other words, according to (tatra) a situation has come when "the top cannot, but the bottom does not want to."

          But the younger generation grew up under capitalism, is not fond of Marxism, has not read Lenin's works, and Putin suits them perfectly. "Khatoskrainye generation", to put it simply!

          It’s not bad, of course, to return to the system in which I was born, grew up, served and received a higher education. That's just "horses do not change at the crossing"! At the crossing that unfolded on February 24.

          February 24, 2022 - 24th lunar day, high-energy day of the lunar month, symbol of the lunar day "Bear". Coincidence? I don't think.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 26 November 2022 21: 48
        +4
        Big, brutal mess...
        They quarrel in the bar, and the forelocks of the peasants are cracking!
        However, our neighbors are really inadequate and it only got worse, this cannot be ignored.
        It's like in a sentence where the whole meaning of what is written depends on one comma ... You can't put up with war.
      3. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 22: 02
        +4
        Quote: tatra
        And why do Putin's "cheers-patriots" give a damn about the fact that Russian men are paying for your and Irreplaceable Wishlist with their lives?

        That is, you want to say that everything was wonderful, peace and quiet, but God's grace ... Washington and Kyiv did not prepare for war, in the Donbass for 8 years they did not kill anyone, did not destroy, did not drive Russia into a corner, but insane one morning woke up and for no reason suddenly climbed into a peaceful and democratic Ukraine? Are you a banderite?
        1. German
          German 27 November 2022 21: 27
          +2
          Yes exactly! With whom he talked for 25-35 years, almost all of them think so: a crazy grandfather forgot to take his pills and started a war. My questions and requests to give at least a couple of arguments why he did it ... to say, except for crazy, you can’t kill people, the whole world is against us - they can’t do anything sensible. In addition to emotions, they basically do not control the situation, neither since the Maidan of 14, nor earlier.
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          2. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 27 November 2022 21: 45
            +1
            Quote: German
            Yes exactly! With whom he talked for 25-35 years, almost all of them think so: a crazy grandfather forgot to take his pills and started a war. My questions and requests to give at least a couple of arguments why he did it ... to say, except for crazy, you can’t kill people, the whole world is against us - they can’t do anything sensible. In addition to emotions, they basically do not control the situation, neither since the Maidan of 14, nor earlier.

            Sorry, I think I misread you. Sorry.
      4. mvnmln
        mvnmln 27 November 2022 01: 25
        0
        And why are you hiding behind the Soviet flag and talking garbage? To degrade, you must first develop. If you're stupid right away, it doesn't count....
    2. Dmitry Tsarevich
      Dmitry Tsarevich 26 November 2022 22: 20
      +1
      Those who worked with Ukrainians (for the most part, I don’t say that they are all like that without exception) are absolutely not surprised by the place where they got into, the more aggressive, vicious and unloving Russian and Russian people, perhaps the Poles and then I doubt it. So they are where they themselves wanted to be, and we still have a lot of such collaborators in the Rostov region and the Krd region.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 22: 27
        0
        maybe the Poles and then I doubt it
        I did not observe Russophobia as an end in itself among the Poles. They are quite adequate people.
  6. Amper
    Amper 26 November 2022 20: 49
    -13
    ...... For the entire period of the special operation, the decisive battle between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation never happened. When the initiative on the battlefield was in the hands of the Russian troops, they were dispersed along a vast front and could not carry out any major offensive operations due to their small numbers. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, having seized the initiative during the autumn campaign, could not impose a general battle on the RF Armed Forces: the Russian battle formations withdrew from both the Kharkov and Kherson directions to new defensive lines without engaging in a large-scale battle .... It should have been so to be. Amazing (enchanting) drivers from the country of RoPoni at the Valdai karting track played a shooter based on the data of super spies from the GRKUSPU and ... damn it, who sp ..... 1,5 million uniforms (we didn’t agree, Seryoga!). Ate! Armata... the same... Ate! ... The Hague .. Whoa, shooter!? Seryoga, what are you....!? Vova! I did not expect! So deep, the biathlon was cool! The Reichstach was instantly taken! Deal with Joe! We've had enough for you!
  7. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 26 November 2022 20: 59
    +2
    ... we should expect the start of a general battle between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which can take place as soon as winter freezes the soil.

    ... as well as water in the water supply and sewerage of Kyiv and smaller cities of Ukraine.
    1. Dmitry Tsarevich
      Dmitry Tsarevich 26 November 2022 22: 22
      +1
      By the way, yes, they will defrost the water supply and sewage system, this is a huge labor and financial cost.
      1. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus 27 November 2022 07: 28
        +1
        Dmitry, I am not a supporter of the destruction of the water supply and life support systems of the inhabitants of Ukraine. But still, they must know and understand that bombing the Donbass since 2014 is a crime, it is a genocide of the people. How can you bathe in a warm bath, sit on a warm toilet and listen calmly on TV about the crimes of the Nazis in the East of Ukraine? I know that even in 1942 cafes, restaurants, bars and nightlife establishments were operating in full capacity in Berlin, and at the same time cities and villages in the USSR were burning. Is history repeating itself?
  8. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 21: 13
    +5
    In general, the expectation of a decisive clash keeps you in suspense and anxiety.
    Waiting for our victories.
    1. German
      German 27 November 2022 21: 29
      +1
      While the Armed Forces of Ukraine are pushing, I think - we must stand! Defense is easier.
      However, I don't understand why they don't hammer the railroad.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 27 November 2022 21: 49
        0
        Quote: German
        While the Armed Forces of Ukraine are pushing, I think - we must stand! Defense is easier.
        However, I don't understand why they don't hammer the railroad.

        It's not just that you don't understand. But it seems like they started to hammer. Out of Krivoy Rog infa comes.
        But it will not be enough.
  9. Al manah
    Al manah 26 November 2022 21: 19
    +1
    the Russian command no longer has room for maneuver: further withdrawal of troops will turn into battles in fact in the depths of the Russian border regions.

    And that is why a line of defense is being built near the Crimea? the author is an optimist, however.
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 26 November 2022 21: 26
    -4

    Immediately after the completion of Zelensky's victorious photo shoots in Kherson, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to deploy infantry, equipment and strike equipment in this city, hiding behind residential buildings, schools and hospitals. Russian artillery inflicts targeted strikes on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including as part of counter-battery combat.

    They surrendered almost the whole city, without destruction. In the event of a reverse assault, there will be the same scorched buildings as in Mariupol. Were you afraid of flooding? Well, now what's the problem? There is now an enemy. sad
    1. Msi
      Msi 26 November 2022 21: 44
      +6
      Were you afraid of flooding? Well, now what's the problem? There is now an enemy. sad

      What to flood Kherson? Russian city, well, you are a humanist, I'll see. They were afraid of a disruption in the supply of the group across the Dnieper due to flooding. The death or captivity of the cadre army of about 30 thousand people is our elite. They saved the army after losing a new Russian city.
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 27 November 2022 04: 40
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      Were you afraid of flooding? Well, now what's the problem?
      winked in that they forgot to tell you right away that in fact, there the left bank is lower than the right one .... wink yes
  11. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 21: 28
    +12
    well, just Napoleon and Borodino, what kind of nonsense about a general battle?!!!!
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 26 November 2022 21: 38
      +4
      they are croaking ..... They write that Kharkov is now packed with the military to the eyeballs in the industrial zone ... the dill is clearly preparing an attack, because in severe frosts they will have southern equipment with a 4x4 formula and there is no gosling, and in general they will be cut off all the energy, and on small gas generators, the current rear of the army at such distances and sizes is clearly poking around and the army will remain a naked frozen chaotic mass of dill.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 21: 56
        +5
        Quote: Fisherman
        they are croaking ..... They write that Kharkov is now packed with the military to the eyeballs in the industrial zone ... the dill is clearly preparing an attack, because in severe frosts they will have southern equipment with a 4x4 formula and there is no gosling, and in general they will be cut off all the energy, and on small gas generators, the current rear of the army at such distances and sizes is clearly poking around and the army will remain a naked frozen chaotic mass of dill.

        They cannot disobey the order of the masters.
        Therefore, there will certainly be a large-scale offensive.
        The question is where and how we are ready for this. If they abandon several hundred tanks and XNUMX infantry in close combat, regardless of losses, they can break through our defenses.
        Losses will certainly be monstrous, but who cares in Kyiv and Washington.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 26 November 2022 22: 29
          +1
          throw a few hundred tanks
          They just don't have that much.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 22: 40
          0
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          If they drop a few hundred tanks and thousands

          the first, if there is such a volume, but there are also problems, as in the field such a volume is a good enough target
          secondly, if the offensive, although it was "successful", but is it possible to make up for the losses and then everything will depend on the rear and the mob resource, it will resemble a poker wabank with a couple of triples in hand
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            If they drop a few hundred tanks and thousands

            the first, if there is such a volume, but there are also problems, as in the field such a volume is a good enough target
            secondly, if the offensive, although it was "successful", but is it possible to make up for the losses and then everything will depend on the rear and the mob resource, it will resemble a poker wabank with a couple of triples in hand

            So I wrote that IF this happens, the losses will be monstrous.
            They will no longer be able to replenish them and their active actions will go to zero.
            This will be their last wheeze.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 23: 07
              +5
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              If this happens, then the losses will be monstrous.
              They will no longer be able to replenish them and their active actions will go to zero.

              the puppeteers also understand this, they will be more satisfied with the logical conflict on which Russia will spend resources, including human resources, but this is the worst thing, as the Second World War showed, in fact, we then lost the color of the nation that could well have built that very bright future
            2. Fisherman
              Fisherman 27 November 2022 14: 55
              +1
              there, for all the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if there are 100 pieces left for the entire length of the fronts, this will already be a good balance for ukrov. They received 72 Polish T-273s before the offensive in Davydov Brod, of which just over 200 burned down there in a week alone! If a month ago dills entered a couple of motorized infantry battalions with armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles with the support of a full tank battalion, now they have an approach to a couple of infantry battalions - several infantry fighting vehicles and all sorts of equatorial 4X4s with a couple of tanks.
  12. g.tit2015
    g.tit2015 26 November 2022 21: 31
    +10
    Victory Will Be For Russia. Definitely. And no options.
  13. Tagan
    Tagan 26 November 2022 21: 33
    +12
    Quote: Amper
    ...... Amazing (enchanting) drivers from the country of RoPoni at the Valdai karting track, played a shooter based on the data of super spies from the GRKUSPU and ... damn it, who sp ..... 1,5 million uniforms (they didn’t agree, Serge!). Ate! Armata... the same... Ate! ... The Hague .. Whoa, shooter!? Seryoga, what are you....!? Vova! I did not expect! So deep, the biathlon was cool! The Reichstach was instantly taken! Deal with Joe! We've had enough for you!

    What was it? Mushrooms or singed moonshine?))
    1. ch28k38
      ch28k38 26 November 2022 22: 04
      +10
      Tincture of moonshine on fly agarics, or Zeli's favorite drug.
  14. glock-17
    glock-17 26 November 2022 21: 54
    +4
    How long can they advance regardless of the losses. Do they have inexhaustible human resources?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 26 November 2022 23: 07
      +4
      With the irretrievable loss of 1000 people a day, they will have enough human resources for ten years. Alas, this war is long.
    2. navigator777
      navigator777 26 November 2022 23: 08
      +2
      Quote: Glock-17
      How long can they advance regardless of the losses. Do they have inexhaustible human resources?

      Exhausted, but with current losses, they can fight like this for another 3 years until people run out.
  15. Fangaro
    Fangaro 26 November 2022 22: 12
    +5
    For everyone who participates in the NWO, both Western Europe and the USA, from a large bell tower ...
    And the singers from the Baltics and Poland forgot that the British, Germans and French never considered them equals.
  16. Mint Gingerbread
    Mint Gingerbread 26 November 2022 22: 13
    0
    The United States should finish things and start turning the bait, Ukraine is somehow lost for them, it's only a matter of time.
  17. agoran
    agoran 26 November 2022 22: 31
    +9
    Yesterday and today I read comments on English-language forums, I was really surprised. Comments, basically, what for us Ukraine, politicians, deal with the problems of our countries.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 27 November 2022 00: 40
      0
      on English-language forums, was really surprised
      Did you think John and Peter would go to war to give the land of the Donbass to the dill? Here, Ukraine is where sex tourism and Chernobyl are, and the refugees under colorful flags are fed up with the locals.
      I anticipate a question. Let's go to war - those who haven't played enough shooters and seeing the endless victories of the Ukrainian soldiers on the BBC wanted to show off with a real machine gun in a cool shape in a real war. And the pros - for a lot of money, but these are a minority, because the pros understand that the chance of not returning is too high and there are no ATMs in hell. Something like this.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 27 November 2022 00: 52
      +1
      - "A ghost roams Europe. The ghost of isolationism!" Logically, well...
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 November 2022 22: 37
    +5
    Uh ... "The West requires the Armed Forces of Ukraine to start a general battle" they have been writing for 3 months already.
    And who exactly, when, why, in what form, naturally omitted.

    IMHO, this is reminiscent of the views of 200 years ago, when the generals demanded battles, and Kutuzov avoided them ....
    1. agoran
      agoran 26 November 2022 22: 40
      0
      Like Kuev burn?
      No, they should freeze and choke on their feces.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 22: 41
      -1
      Quote: Max1995
      the views of 200 years ago, when the generals demanded battles, and Kutuzov avoided them ....
      now it’s not really one general battle, it wasn’t even in the Great Patriotic War
      1. agoran
        agoran 26 November 2022 22: 57
        -10
        Seriously? How are you with education? 3 classes TSPSH?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 22: 59
          +2
          Quote: agoran
          Seriously?

          and you can seriously name the general battle of the Second World War ?!
          about the TSPSH is stupid, however, like your statement itself
          1. agoran
            agoran 26 November 2022 23: 04
            -4
            The battle of Stalingrad, the Kursk salient, the capture of Koenig, the Berlin operation.
            And by the way, the capture of Koenig from April 6 to April 10, and not 9 months of NWO.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 23: 15
              +2
              Quote: agoran
              The battle of Stalingrad, the Kursk salient, the capture of Koenig, the Berlin operation.

              so all the same, a GENERAL battle or a series of successes and not only military ones?!!!
              the Germans lost near Moscow and broke us right there at 42, and even Stalingrad and Kursk did not put an end to the war, there were still battles for the Caucasus, Kuban, Crimea, and to be completely precise, the Germans did not lose at the front, they were VERY fighting they were good at it, the Germans lost in the rear, industry, oil, officer training during the war
              Quote: agoran
              And by the way, the capture of Koenig from April 6 to April 10, and not 9 months of NWO.

              it seems that you really do not know how to analyze the information received
              I'm not even going to paint the fallacy of such comparisons.
              1. agoran
                agoran 26 November 2022 23: 20
                -7
                All interesting, what is the end result?
                The USSR put the whole of Europe in cancer.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 23: 31
                  +2
                  are we talking about the result of the war or some kind of MYTHICAL general battle, about which you promised to inform me, the "graduate" of the TsPSh?!!!
              2. poquello
                poquello 27 November 2022 01: 11
                -1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                the Germans lost near Moscow and broke into us right there at 42

                in 42m there was a gross mistake of the command, an unsecured offensive, and so the victory near Moscow was a turning point, and the Kursk one was finally a turning point
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 07: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: poquello
                  near Moscow was a turning point, and Kursk was finally a turning point
                  knowledge zero analysis zero
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 27 November 2022 11: 27
                    -2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: poquello
                    near Moscow was a turning point, and Kursk was finally a turning point
                    knowledge zero analysis zero

                    I sympathize and positively relate to your self-criticism
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 11: 32
                      0
                      there are also problems with humor, you also tell us that in the fall of 41 in winter 42 they broke the back of the Wehrmacht, so much so that he went all the way to the Volga in pain
                      there were no TURNING battles, there were long and stubborn battles that, together with the logistics, summing up led to victory
                      Apparently, you don’t even understand this concept of “general battle”, what it consisted of, where it came from and why it’s not possible in modern conditions
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 11: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you still tell me that in the fall of 41 in winter 42 they broke the back of the Wehrmacht

                        why write nonsense? the ridge is Kursk
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 12: 10
                        0
                        don’t write like that, there was NO GENERAL battle in WWII
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 12: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        don’t write like that, there was NO GENERAL battle in WWII

                        I would be grateful if you quote an excerpt from my post with the word "general")
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 13: 15
                        0
                        when you enter into someone else's dispute, study what it is about
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 13: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        when you enter into someone else's dispute, study what it is about

                        ) studied in the context of your concern, you words
                        Quote: Max1995
                        when the generals demanded battles

                        changed to
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        one pitched battle

                        I still assume that a general battle can be called a battle that seriously affects the further course of the campaign, hence there were two general battles in the Second World War - the battle of Moscow and the Kursk salient
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 18: 02
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        I still assume that a general battle can be called a battle that seriously affects the further course of the campaign, hence there were two general battles in the Second World War - the battle of Moscow and the Kursk salient

                        you think it’s strange, but for example, the battle for the Kuban, and it was there that the Luftwaffe lost its advantage, and the battle for the Caucasus, and this is what put an end to the receipt of oil by Aloizych
                        general battles were in the pre-industrial era, since it was this battle alone that completely and irrevocably decided the course of the war
                      7. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 20: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        the battle for the Kuban, and it was there that the Luftwaffe lost its advantage

                        ) completely lost?
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and the battle for the Caucasus, and it was precisely this that put an end to the receipt of oil by Aloizych

                        but the fact that? this is reasoning about the role of Bavarian beer only in the other direction
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        the battle decided completely and irrevocably the course of the war

                        so you can reach the insignificance of the battle with the horde on the Kulikovo field, because everything was decided later by the confrontation on the river
                      8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 20: 28
                        -1
                        the argument does not make sense, you really don’t understand the term where it came from and what meaning it carried, about the battle for the Kuban, read kozhedub and pokryshkin, all the best hi
                      9. poquello
                        poquello 27 November 2022 20: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        about the battle for the Kuban, read kozhedub and Pokryshkin,

                        ) did the German aces agree with them? can you at least read the analytics?
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you really don’t understand the term where it came from and what meaning it carried,

                        ) so in your words
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        this one battle completely and irrevocably decided the course of the war
  19. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 26 November 2022 22: 48
    -8
    This is logical, because the prolongation of the war is beneficial to Russia.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 22: 54
      +3
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      prolonging the war is beneficial to Russia.

      how?!
      1. agoran
        agoran 26 November 2022 23: 14
        -8
        Logistics. The Sumerians themselves run into the affected area. For the troops of the Russian Federation a short shoulder.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2022 23: 17
          +4
          hmm, and you blame someone for the end of the Central Pedagogical School?!
      2. Carlos Hall
        Carlos Hall 27 November 2022 11: 37
        -1
        So it is, and only fools do not understand it. For those who opposed the destruction of the Ukrainian energy system, Zelensky received the hardest blow. The extension of the war is beneficial to Russia for many reasons.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 11: 48
          0
          Quote from Carlos Sala
          The extension of the war is beneficial to Russia for many reasons.

          name a couple
          1. Carlos Hall
            Carlos Hall 27 November 2022 16: 19
            0
            1 The Ukrainian economy is in ruins, the cost of maintaining the country is becoming more and more unsustainable for the West. 2 Russia has more manpower, and Ukraine has 100 military dead. These two factors alone will sooner or later force Ukraine to negotiate from a position of weakness.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 November 2022 17: 58
              0
              Quote from Carlos Sala
              Ukrainian economy destroyed

              according to your logic, if a neighbor’s cow dies, you have two, we still have to restore Ukraine
              Quote from Carlos Sala
              Russia has more manpower, and Ukraine has 100 military dead

              it’s generally brilliant, in fact, the longer the war, the more losses we have, do you want an increase in Russia’s losses ?!
            2. Donbass Russia
              Donbass Russia 27 November 2022 17: 59
              0
              And what will Ukraine negotiate? What do you think, she will say, we will shoot Bander, disarm, give Russia the entire east and south of Ukraine and send NATO to hell? So it just won't happen. So what kind of negotiations are you waiting for?
  20. opposite28
    opposite28 26 November 2022 23: 00
    +1
    Yeah, it's time to finish the "Marlison ballet". Kostya bring a double-barreled shotgun ... fellow bully
  21. Nychego
    Nychego 26 November 2022 23: 40
    -7
    However, materiel tends to run out, and extensive new deliveries are not expected due to the growing shortage in NATO countries. Therefore, the existing backlog must be used in the near future.

    The author obviously skipped logic.
    On the subject: When the soil freezes, then they will start, but for now, judging by the video from the database zone, they are slowly processing those mobilized with all the forces and means available to them.
    1. Former soldier
      Former soldier 27 November 2022 01: 36
      0
      When the soil freezes, then they will start, but for now, judging by the video from the database zone, they are slowly processing those mobilized with all the forces and means available to them.

      Processing and their APU into fertilizers.
      1. Nychego
        Nychego 28 November 2022 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Former soldier
        Processing and their APU into fertilizers.

        Naturally. War is, on a large scale, an example of the ambivalence "Or maybe we, or maybe us .." as one deviationist in a belt sang.
  22. Nord11
    Nord11 26 November 2022 23: 54
    -3
    Well, the dissatisfaction of the Americans can be understood, the reduction in the large livestock is not going fast enough ..
    1. Former soldier
      Former soldier 27 November 2022 01: 33
      +1
      Well, the dissatisfaction of the Americans can be understood, the reduction in the large livestock is not going fast enough ..

      The results of the activities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not suit them, although dollars have swelled into them immeasurably.
  23. Dmitrii
    Dmitrii 27 November 2022 01: 09
    +3
    Quote: AlexGa
    It is difficult to discuss the situation with maneuvers ...

    It is difficult to imagine what general battles we can talk about at all? Summer is over, autumn is ending, winter is coming. The energy infrastructure of Ukraine is being destroyed. Cities cannot live without heat, water, sewerage and electricity, the people are in poverty, maybe they will remember how they rode on the Maidan and about their chants about Muscovites. The earth is round, everything returned to them many times more. So "What are we for?" won't roll anymore. So you are right - "We will wait."

    Yes, there, behind the front line, the rights of the Indian sheriff are not .... So there is no need to think that everyone will abruptly change their minds about fighting. The real benefit of such strikes is only in de-energizing what works for defense. I recently watched an interview with a retired general from the US Army, and so he told how they bombed Yugoslavia and said that for some reason the Russians do not bomb Ukraine like that, but in vain. So in Yugoslavia, they even smashed all the bridges, according to him, every single one. He also said that sooner or later the Russians will come to this.
  24. Former soldier
    Former soldier 27 November 2022 01: 29
    0
    If you are already guessing on the coffee grounds in which directions the General Staff of Ukraine under the command of NATO advisers plans to deliver the main blow, regardless of losses, then it is one and guessed "at once".
  25. garik77
    garik77 27 November 2022 01: 42
    +1
    Quote: navigator777
    They don't give a damn about it, they still have people and they will drive them to the slaughter, while their tactics of filling us with corpses bore fruit.

    This is a war of resources, and until Ukrainians run out of resources, nothing will change radically. I fully agree that they will drive their herd to slaughter.
  26. Alexey G
    Alexey G 27 November 2022 01: 58
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    I'm not ready to agree with the author's forecast! Ukraine has no opportunities for a major operation! They have numerous infantry, but not enough tanks and aircraft. And without these two trump cards, a big offensive against Russia, which has more planes, helicopters and enough artillery, is unlikely. Even if the enemy concentrates sufficient infantry forces unnoticed by our reconnaissance and strikes, then the movement of infantry without the support of a sufficient number of tanks will not be powerful and fast. But the main thing is that being on our territory, their air defense will not be able to help them, and then the KA52 MI 28 will freely strike the enemy along with attack aircraft.
    I think the enemy knows this, so he attacks in small parts, not allowing himself to be bombed with fatal losses. They will continue to probe us with the forces of companies or DRGs (platoons). Throwing several brigades into battle at once in one place under our aircraft means to allow heavy losses, I don’t think that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will go for it. Except as a last resort.
    In addition, our T-80 T90 tanks are better than the T72 APU and Russia will have an advantage in open tank battles.
    The success of the Izyum offensive was ensured by large gaps in the orders of our troops, their numerical shortage and weak defenses. Now Surovikin has strengthened these weaknesses and there will be no easy walk, and for serious business you need manned or unmanned aircraft, but in the conditions of our powerful air defense it is difficult!
    It is necessary to hit the power grids and freeze Ukrainians and geyropa!!! As a result, the enemy will be weakened, underarmed and incapacitated for the winter.
    1. Donbass Russia
      Donbass Russia 27 November 2022 18: 16
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      VFU has the main tank T-64. They made concentrations of troops on Balakliya and near Kherson. And they managed to accumulate tanks with artillery. And our intelligence saw everything, if the entire telegram for two weeks wrote about the accumulation of troops of the VFU. And near Kherson there is a clean steppe and it would seem that the Ka-52 and Su-34 will smash everything together with artillery. But it was not there. They abandoned the most important Zadneprovsky bridgehead and the regional center of Russia with a half-million population - without a fight. Having at the same time 230 thousand mobilized troops at their disposal. So do not rush to draw conclusions.
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 28 November 2022 00: 18
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        Well, you know that they left him for a different reason ... The threat of flooding the region made the defense of the bridgehead meaningless ... And aviation had to work in the enemy’s rear, and not in its own, which means the threat of air defense and capture over enemy territory increased!
        1. Donbass Russia
          Donbass Russia 29 November 2022 18: 28
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          In order for flooding to occur, it is necessary to thoroughly destroy a massive concrete structure and iron barriers. Which is generally a difficult task and for some reason has not happened so far. Secondly, the flooding would have been in the area of ​​the riverbed in the Kherson region. But we controlled the Novaya Kakhovka area, nothing would have been flooded there. And it controlled approximately 50 km by 50 km bridgehead. Yes, if you wish, put pontoons, block the destroyed dam with slabs, etc. and transfer BC, fuel and reinforcements. Does aviation fight like this all the time or is it a discovery for you? Do you need air defense and no enemy at all? Ka-52 uses ATGM Whirlwind M for 8 km, and LGMUR for all 15 km. There is a clean field, there is nowhere for armored vehicles to hide. The same Su-34 can use the X-29TD up to 30 km.
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 30 November 2022 02: 24
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            For flooding to occur, it is necessary to thoroughly destroy a massive concrete structure and iron barriers. Which is generally a difficult task and for some reason has not happened so far.

            They wrote about the Crimean Bridge that this was also a difficult task, but one of the most protected objects in the rear was seriously damaged.
            Secondly, the flooding would have been in the area of ​​the riverbed in the Kherson region. But we controlled the Novaya Kakhovka area, nothing would have been flooded there. And it controlled approximately 50 km by 50 km bridgehead. Yes, if you wish, put pontoons, block the destroyed dam with slabs, etc. and transfer BC, fuel and reinforcements.

            Are you a fantasy or are you pretending? In the event of a dam blowing up, the destruction of which could be carried out in various ways (missiles, U points, Haimars, drone boats, saboteurs ...) would flood many peaceful territories and put our military in Kherson in a difficult supply situation! And there we had large forces and their supply is not an easy task.
            Do you even have an engineering education to conclude how it is possible to throw slabs at a broken dam with water rushing out of it ??
            Does aviation fight like this all the time or is it a discovery for you? Do you need air defense and no enemy at all?

            I will make a discovery for you, but 80 percent of our aviation is now delivering strikes from its own territory without entering enemy territory. The first month of the operation showed that Buki and S300 of Ukraine were not suppressed by the first strike of cruise missiles and shot down our planes, which led to the capture of our pilots! Now ours practically do not fly over the territory occupied by the enemy. Neither over Kyiv, nor over Lvov, nor over other cities of our aviation is there, only missiles fly. And turntables most often shoot nurses along a ballistic trajectory. Whirlwinds and even more so (LMUR) "305" or "Product 305" is an expensive thing and it is used to a limited extent, you can’t get enough of them for all infantry and vehicles of ukrov!
            X-29T unit cost ₽ 18 million 459 thousand, and modification D is even higher! This rocket is for precise strikes on important targets! I don't think that we can afford to let them go by dozens into an open field over clusters of infantry and vehicles.
            And at all times, aviation worked more confidently on its territory! Shot down jumped out, returned to his. Yes, and there is nothing more difficult to shoot down, and you can work with nurses like hailstones only from above and more accurately.
            1. Donbass Russia
              Donbass Russia 2 December 2022 01: 44
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              Listen, engineer, if there is a desire to defend a large regional center, then it is defended. The same huge dams and huge reservoirs stand over Kyiv, Kanev, Kremenchug, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. And you yourself can imagine who can be washed away there along with bridges and cities, or do I need to explain to you? Each strike on the Kakhovka dam had to be duplicated, with strikes on the dam over Kyiv. And I assure you - they would immediately stop. Now, secondly, the civilian population was taken out of Kherson, to supply 40 thousand troops, you can block the holes in the dam using pontoon bridges and slabs, open its photo and see, this is not an ordinary bridge for you, but a powerful concrete structure. What prevents to transfer there, another 40 thousand troops and start an offensive on Nikolaev? And how, after this retreat, are you going to force the Dnieper and transfer troops there? Have a huge bridgehead 140 x 40 km and leave without a fight or then force the Dnieper without bridges to defend the enemy. Don't you see the difference, engineer? ATGM Whirlwind, let's say, costs 100 thousand dollars. and they are suspended on the Ka-52 all the time, open your eyes. LMUR, when compared with similar missiles, costs about 300 thousand dollars, a tank is several times more expensive.
              Here, read "the Ukrainian military did not have so many opportunities to do this - after all, the dam is a fundamental reinforced concrete structure with a main wall thickness of about 10 meters. Moreover, most of it is hidden under water and in order to destroy this structure, just an unmeasured amount of ammunition.
              In the event of a collapse of the dam, a flood wave will occur, the height of which near the breach will reach 10 meters. But it will quickly settle down and a ridge about a meter high will come directly to Kherson, and then the water level in the river will begin to be understood and at its peak the rise will reach about 5 meters. At this level, it will last for about 14 hours and during this time the width of the Dnieper will increase to five kilometers. The flood will subside for the next three days.

              Dynamics of flooding of the Dnieper coast during the destruction of the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station
              Since the right bank of the Dnieper is higher and steeper than the left (the Coriolis effect for all rivers of the Northern Hemisphere), it will be mainly the left strip along the river that will be flooded, which will force the Russian troops stationed here to move away from the river. In addition, it would be necessary to urgently save the local population - but this has already been done, the regional administration has long announced the evacuation within 15 km from the coastline.
              1. Alexey G
                Alexey G 2 December 2022 23: 05
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                Listen, Comrade Archistrate!
                The words of General Surovikin that the Ukrainian troops are preparing to smash the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station with rockets and thereby launch a man-made disaster confirm why it is urgent to evacuate people from Kherson. And the size of the disaster can be terrible.

                The break of the dam, it turns out, was calculated by Soviet scientists in 1985. But the data was immediately classified so as not to frighten the people.
                Now this information has become known.

                In the event of a dam explosion, a wave 25 meters high will go down the Dnieper at a speed of 5 km / h! She will wash away all the coastal villages that she met on her way.

                In 2 hours this tsunami will be in Kherson.

                Water will rise for 14 hours, flooding vast areas - see the map.

                The flooding will last 3 days, after which the water will begin to decrease.

                It is clear that in such a grandiose water apocalypse it will be difficult to survive.

                Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27460/4665385/

                Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27460/4665385/

                I have no reason to question the data of Soviet studies and General Surovikin personally, who made such a decision!
                to supply 40 thousand troops, you can use pontoon bridges and slabs to block holes in the dam, open its photo and see, this is not an ordinary bridge for you, but a powerful concrete structure. What prevents to transfer there, another 40 thousand troops and start an offensive on Nikolaev?

                It interferes with the fact that 40 thousand is not enough for an attack on Nikolaev! And General Surovikin, unlike you, understands this, especially if you have to supply 80 thousand later on pan-ton bridges, after the flood. Even if these forces take Nikolaev, they will not be enough for a further offensive. But the enemy, Comrade Archstrategist, will take advantage of your greed and strike Melitopol from Zaporozhye and cut off our entire western wing along with your troops on the right bank of the Dnieper, as Pilsudski and Tukhachevsky once did in Poland! And no Coriolis will help you here.
                ATGM Whirlwind, let's say, costs 100 thousand dollars. and they are suspended on the Ka-52 all the time, open your eyes.


                Opened! Here they take off without whirlwinds! ATGM Whirlwind is designed to fight tanks. Yes, it’s economical in terms of tanks, but the main trump card for Ukrainians is infantry, not tanks. Draw your own conclusions...
                And how, after this retreat, are you going to force the Dnieper and transfer troops there? Have a huge bridgehead 140 x 40 km and leave without a fight or then force the Dnieper without bridges to defend the enemy.

                Firstly, we will not cross the Dnieper soon, if at all. We must first liberate eastern Ukraine. and not climb on Odessa, leaving Kharkov and Zaporozhye in the rear!
                Secondly, the path to Kyiv may also lie through Belarus, which bypasses the need for forcing.
                Thirdly, the river is large and it is impossible to build a powerful defense everywhere, even numerous dill will not work. The Germans failed!
                hi
                1. Donbass Russia
                  Donbass Russia 3 December 2022 18: 56
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                  Listen Engineer, it was precisely with your statement "We will not cross the Dnieper soon, if at all," you clearly defined your mood in the war. They abandoned the regional center of Russia, without a fight and come up with excuses. Look at what places the water will flood, with the hypothetical destruction of the dam, which could not be blown up by anything - under water, 10 m concrete. There is some part of Kherson, which has been evicted. And the rest of the villages: Cossack Camps, Alyoshki, Naked Pier, Novaya Zbruevka - are located on our left bank. You can wash them off now, when it's much easier to do it. But you have it on your side. The troops on the right bank do not need to be supplied from flooded places, what kind of engineer are you, the water will go down from Novaya Kakhovka, and above it, on the contrary, the water in the reservoir will decrease. And we occupied 50 km to the north and 40 km to the west of it, nothing prevented us from building bridges there, if desired. The flood will last 3 days and that's it. The water will go to the sea! Don't you understand that this is not New Orleans? And after that, it is possible to build bridges in the Kherson region. Then, I also have to explain to an engineer that a tank costs $1 million, and an ATGM or a V-Z missile costs $100-300. Did you fight yourself? Or just language? Infantry is soldiers and they are destroyed by everything that is on the theater - artillery, MLRS, mortars, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, TSOs and riflemen, this is not counting front-line and army aviation. I already understood your conclusions.
                  1. Alexey G
                    Alexey G 3 December 2022 20: 05
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                    with your statement "We will not cross the Dnieper soon, if at all," you clearly defined your mood in the war.

                    Judging by all your statements, you are a simple couch analyst! And you did not fight or were far from planning offensive operations!
                    I will try to explain to you on the fingers!
                    Two people fighting. One has a knife in his left hand, but it is aimed at the leg of the other! It is Russian. The other also has a knife in his left hand and it is aimed at the other's throat. This is Ukrainian. How will the Russian? A knife at the neck is more dangerous than a knife at the foot.
                    come up with excuses

                    What excuses are there??? A strike from Zaparozhye threatens to bring down the entire western wing and allow an attack on the Crimea!!!

                    My attitude to the war is pragmatic, like that of Surovikin. She needs to be won. But to allow our few forces to be destroyed is stupidity or worse, betrayal!
                    I have the honor.
                    1. Donbass Russia
                      Donbass Russia 3 December 2022 20: 27
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                      No, those are just excuses. Which we were told on TV, and you willingly believe in them. What kind of knives were tied. We had, let's say, 250 thousand troops in the LBS. And they mobilized and volunteered 320 thousand military personnel. What prevents to transfer 100 thousand to Kherson, Zaporozhye and Slavyansk? Moreover, with a large number of armored vehicles and artillery, in contrast to the VFU. And just knock out the enemy for the Southern Bug, having bombed the bridges, through it in Nikolaev before that. By the way, it is necessary to destroy the bridges in Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk in order to prevent them from maneuvering troops across the Dnieper from the Donbass to the south of Ukraine. But we give them the opportunity.
                      1. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 4 December 2022 01: 34
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                        that we were told on TV

                        They didn't talk about it on TV. Have you seen the map??? Look... You will see clearly.
                        [[/thumb][/center]

                        Click on it, I drew you...
                        They can cut off this balcony anywhere. Their army was mobilized 7 times.
                        Our land army before mobilization was 300 thousand people, but about 160 thousand contract soldiers, and the rest are conscripts. Add to this the National Guard, but it does not have heavy weapons and the troops of the LPR and DPR.
                        However, by the end of the summer, these forces were exhausted by the attacks of the Urs in the forehead.
                        I don't know how many are left. Strelkov wrote that the forces were pretty worn out. And if we take into account the T64 fence from conservation, then the equipment suffered greatly.
                        Calibers and Iskanders also began to be released infrequently, it’s good to eat Geranium and X101 remained. This is to the question of saving missiles ... Including aircraft. Do you even know how many we have already burned? Do you have numbers?
                        But now I understand that NATO has a lot and they are also at the limit.
                        Therefore, ATGMs for infantry will be very fat.
                        Now about mobs. Yes, they took 320 thousand people, but these are unfired fighters of an age with insufficient physical fitness. These are not independent units, and they can perhaps cover up holes in the defense, and then interspersed with fired soldiers. There, judging by the video from YouTube, there are also rebels, that is, the Makhnovshchina.
                        And what is 320 thousand on such a front of 1200 km of front?
                        We had, let's say, 250 thousand troops in the LBS. And they mobilized and volunteered 320 thousand military personnel.

                        250 thousand? We don't take losses, do we? We are like elves and they are orcs?
                        In a word, stop raving. Surovikin is right. Extending the southern balcony is dangerous, and keeping 40 thousand on the bridgehead is stupid without the ability to advance in the medium term, especially when the enemy threatens to cut you off completely!
                      2. Donbass Russia
                        Donbass Russia 4 December 2022 13: 10
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                        I don't need to tell you how many troops we had, I know you better. There were 280 thousand in the SV, 45 thousand in the Airborne Forces, 35 thousand in the MP and BV. Conscripts - 270 thousand in the RF Armed Forces. There were about 1 thousand in AK 2 and 30 and they mobilized, I don’t know for sure, but there will be 70 thousand. PMCs and volunteers too, tens of thousands. 160 thousand border guards and 340 thousand Ros Guards. We didn't talk about losses. If we proceed from what was voiced, then let's say there are 7 thousand in the army in the DPR 3,5 thousand, if we add the LPR and PMCs, then there are 15 thousand killed, we will add 45 thousand wounded conscripts and those being treated. A total of 60 thousand mobilized is a normal soldier, rebels - in prison and normal. They are mostly under 35 years old, a healthy man who has already served, stop talking nonsense. During these months, they have already been properly prepared, I myself was one of those and commanded such - they will still teach you. Draw your arrows at home, in the kitchen. I will draw exactly the same for you, only in the other direction, one to Nikolaev, another to Zaporozhye, the third to Velikaya Novoselka - Pokrovsk and the fourth Liman and the coverage of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. And you can admire her. In the Kherson region, their troops were accumulated twice as many. I counted 16 brigades, 2 regiments and 8 battalions there. What prevented us from transferring 10-20 brigades there, without breaking them and not reaching the Southern Bug River and occupying the regional center of Nikolaev. And there to keep the defense, just like now along the Dnieper. No one threatened to completely cut us off, these are your thoughts far-fetched. There it was necessary to strengthen the troops. It is ridiculous to listen to, to leave the agglomeration with a population of 450 thousand people - WITHOUT FIGHT. Maybe you remember how VFU held Severodonetsk, for example. There is an open field, everything is shot through by aviation, artillery and anti-tank systems, they cannot advance there, unless, of course, there are enough of our troops there for defense. Well, or for our offensive.
                      3. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 4 December 2022 15: 09
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                        MP and BV - 35 thousand rubles

                        Where did you count 35 thousand Marines??? And why should they consider the Coast Guard?
                        We have 5 brigades of marines. Their number is 12.5 thousand. And you know better!
                        Conscripts - 270 thousand.

                        And why do you think these, they do not participate in the NWO
                        160 thousand border guards

                        This is generally the department of the FSB. Their main task is to protect, guard and defend the State Border of the Russian Federation. But we have a lot of boundaries. Do you propose to expose them and send them to the NWO ??
                        340 thousand Ros Guards

                        These, too, cannot be sent to the war. There are internal issues. This is terrorism and separatism and the danger of revolution. In addition, they have a slightly different profile. No heavy weapons. For cleaning up in the rear from saboteurs, yes, but on the front line it is doubtful.
                        let's say there are 7 thousand in the army.

                        Let's say? From the voiced??? HMMM. Are you seriously? 7 thousand in the army for 9 months of intense fighting?? Oh well. If the enemy has over 100 thousand of them, then we have at least 50 of them, at least 30. This despite the fact that we were advancing, but mainly due to falling asleep with shells and missiles.
                        I will draw exactly the same for you, only in the other direction, one to Nikolaev, another to Zaporozhye, the third to Velikaya Novoselka - Pokrovsk and the fourth Liman and the coverage of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.

                        Well, here's your plan

                        Admire! A blow with spread fingers in all directions of the world, except for the south there is the sea and the east there is Russia!
                        "Decent plan." Send it to Surovikin, he will appreciate it!!! In fact, a waste of small, in view of the above deficit, funds, which does not lead to decisive success in any place!
                        THE CONCENTRATION OF FORCES IS THE ABC OF MILITARY SCIENCE.
                        Hang your sketch in the closet where it belongs.
                        go to the Southern Bug River and occupy the regional center Nikolaev. And there to keep the defense, just like now along the Dnieper.

                        You propose to lengthen the already long front and not once defeat the enemy's forces, which is the aim of the war.
                        And Surovikin, hiding behind the Dnieper, is concentrating forces around a giant ledge from Belgorod to Zaporozhye, where there are many Ukrainian troops that can be surrounded and which, due to the remoteness of communications, are more difficult for them to supply in conditions of lack of electricity.
                        You are a weak analyst. The more you write, the more I am convinced that Surovikin is doing well!
                      4. Donbass Russia
                        Donbass Russia 4 December 2022 23: 28
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                        I'm tired of an amateur, every time to explain something, and every time he throws new nonsense. There are 6 brigades and a regiment in the marines, one coastal defense brigade fought on the Kherson coast and in general read what units are there in the fleet, if you find where, I wrote to you the number, because you had nonsense written, I didn’t offer to send the WG entirely, PV too , More than 6 thousand losses were named by the Ministry of Defense Shoigu, 3,5 thousand were published in the DPR, you are again carrying a gag - but with a smart look. Surovikin himself sent his nonsense. Arrows to draw and then not able to. First look where Velikaya Novoselka and Pokrovsk are and understand what the coverage of Slavyansk-Kramatorsk is, then your arrows will start to be drawn differently. The front will not increase. Take a ruler and measure it, the LBS bend will align from the Dnieper to the Southern Bug. Everything is good.
                      5. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 5 December 2022 00: 41
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                        Even as it increases, you move it beyond the Dnieper to Nikolaev, throwing Krasny Liman, Raisins, Zaporozhye to the enemy who hangs there! You better read how many people are in the brigade and think about where 35 thousand come from ??? Even in 6.divide. Almost 6 per brigade where you've seen such brigades. And who after that is an amateur?
                        1.336th Separate Guards Bialystok Orders of Suvorov and Alexander Nevsky Marine Corps Brigade
                        2. 810th Separate Guards Order of Zhukov Marine Brigade named after the 60th anniversary of the formation of the USSR - Sevastopol
                        3. 61st separate Kirkines Red Banner Marine Brigade - n.p. Satellite of the Murmansk region
                        4.155th Separate Guards Marine Brigade
                        5. 40th separate Krasnodar-Kharbinskaya twice Red Banner Marine Brigade - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
                        Where is the 6th one? Amateur?? Can you count?
                        Plus 1. regiment and 1 battalion.
                        There are 45 thousand in the Airborne Forces, but there 6 divisions and 7 brigades plus 2 regiments!!!!
                        History will judge us. Let's see how they say.
                        And there to keep the defense, just like now along the Dnieper.

                        Here is your goal. Sit on the defensive away from the Dnieper! And mine to defeat the enemy, which they began to do near Artemovsk!
                      6. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 5 December 2022 01: 11
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                        Look first where Velikaya Novoselka and Pokrovsk are and understand what the scope of Slavyansk-Kramatorsk is

                        You send 40 thousand to Nikolaev! Do you think this will contribute to the capture of Slavyansk? Are you in yourself? You send 20 brigades to the west, and the rest to the north, sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right!
                        I correctly drew the Great Novoselka for you, and it is far from Kramatorsk.
                        I don’t know what cards you are looking at, maybe Ukrainian??? laughing
                      7. Donbass Russia
                        Donbass Russia 4 December 2022 13: 34
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                        Are you writing about the T-64 again? Maybe they still remembered the T-62MV? Listen, we are talking about a repair plant that modernizes 90 units a year, if someone needs this ancient tank, well, let them put it on. It doesn't make any weather. You stupidly do not see dozens of deliveries of T-90M, T-80BVM, T-72B3M, as well as Su-35, Su-30SM2. Thousands of cruise and ballistic missiles have been used. It is impossible to count, who knows what Kh-101 or Kh-59M, Kh-32,22 flew there. However, one rocket costs 1-1,5 million dollars, so there will be a lot of them. And cheap Geraniums complement them great. As well as the growth in the production of Tornado C and GLONASS missiles for them, judging by Shoigu's speech.
              2. Alexey G
                Alexey G 2 December 2022 23: 14
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                Each strike on the Kakhovka dam had to be duplicated, with strikes on the dam over Kyiv.

                Well, let's then repeat each strike against Donetsk and Bryansk symmetrically against the residential areas of Kyiv and Kharkov? Do you want to liken us to them? Those whom we include in Russia live there. Our people, not Saxons, not Normans... Think what you write!
                1. Donbass Russia
                  Donbass Russia 3 December 2022 20: 13
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                  You are deliberately distorting my statement, apparently so trained? I'm telling you about the symmetrical defeat of dams. Are you not surprised by the defeat of substations and the deprivation of unfortunate Ukrainians - light? If, instead of involving the IAEA and whining on TV, we would have bombed the three nuclear power plants that remained in Ukraine in response, then there would be an order of magnitude more sense.
                  1. Alexey G
                    Alexey G 4 December 2022 01: 40
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                    The symmetrical defeat of the dams will lead to the drowning of peaceful Ukrainians. We are not a country of terrorists and we are conducting the NVO and not the genocide of the people of Ukraine. You are talking nonsense dear!
                    1. Donbass Russia
                      Donbass Russia 4 December 2022 12: 26
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                      Oh really ? And depriving them of electricity, i.e. work along the way and the complete destruction of settlements in the battlefield - what is this? The sufferer is an engineer.
                      1. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 4 December 2022 15: 22
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                        And depriving them of electricity

                        And this is quite humane. Let them run to warm themselves in Italy and Spain.
                      2. Donbass Russia
                        Donbass Russia 4 December 2022 22: 40
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                        Drowning, the same will not happen immediately, but gradually. They also do not immediately demolish the Kakhovka dam, but little by little, several Hymers. So they have bumps on the floor, every time. You look and Kyiv freed from the inhabitants. As well as strikes on the Rivne and Khmelnytsky nuclear power plants, the Poles and Germans would be very worried, especially when the wind blows to the West. You look and they would stop shelling Zaporizhzhya.
  27. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 27 November 2022 02: 02
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    We have two or three weeks left, I hope our command is prepared and has the appropriate plans and resources.
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 27 November 2022 03: 10
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    Quote from Msi
    Were you afraid of flooding? Well, now what's the problem? There is now an enemy. sad

    What to flood Kherson? Russian city, well, you are a humanist, I'll see. They were afraid of a disruption in the supply of the group across the Dnieper due to flooding. The death or captivity of the cadre army of about 30 thousand people is our elite. They saved the army after losing a new Russian city.

    Do you know much? Do you really understand? Humanist? Specialist? What military academy did you graduate from? On what grounds do you define who is the "elite" in your opinion? And what about other citizens?
    And the last question - "... in which regiment did you serve, my dear?"
    Your passages are broken by a very specific historical example - the defense of Stalingrad! Was history badly taught? Then, in 1942, the troops fought on the right bank of the Volga, pressed to the water, and no one thought to retreat, and leave the city for any reason - flooding, winter, tsunami .... People fought to the death! Generals, officers, privates and sergeants - all understood the significance of the city not only from an operational-strategic point of view, but also from an ideological one! That's where the elite was. You, and some forum participants, failed to understand my idea, which I reflected in my previous comment - the Russian city of Kherson could not be rented out, because this is no longer a precedent, but a trend .... And if we take into account that a person holding the position of the Supreme High Command will never, due to certain personal and corporate reasons, sign an order similar to Stalin's No. This is how the operational situation has developed .... Where then will we meet the enemy, at what lines? Near Podolsk? So now there is no Podolsk school, and, accordingly, its cadets. In general, find a subscription edition:
    History of World War II 1939–1945 in 12 volumes. - M .: Military publishing house, 1973-1982. Everything is very good there, and reliably stated, including operational maps. And in the editorial board of this publication were then still living commanders. diplomats, and the people who created this history, unlike the current compilers, as well as pseudo-historians who distort it to please the current leadership of the Russian Federation. sad
  29. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 27 November 2022 09: 40
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    At the stage when the formation of a bridgehead and resources for the offensive is underway, the question is ????
    Question? Why are "carpet" bombings of STRATEGIC aviation in places of accumulation not used?
    We are waiting for the onset of the Vrazhina? Then we'll show them. What? Naked ass. In Kharkiv and Kherson they showed it.
  30. acetophenone
    acetophenone 27 November 2022 10: 38
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    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    throw a few hundred tanks
    They just don't have that much.

    These ukrotanks ... as well as ukroplanes and ukroair defense - they are like that gopher from the memorable movie. Our Kremlin leaders and television generals destroyed them all for the third time. And they are.
  31. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 27 November 2022 11: 14
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    The author, now think and say: why does the United States (and this is their proxy war) need this "general battle"? They benefit from a long "hot" conflict in order to weaken Russia as much as possible and not give China a reliable ally. To be honest, the United States does not consider us as a rival, their goal is China. And here, if "Borodino" happens - what if Ukroreich loses? And even worse - suddenly win? In any case, the war ends - but what about multi-year arms contracts? Will gas supplies suddenly be restored? No, it is extremely important for the United States that our army continues to "beat head-on" into fortified areas ("utilization" of the priotically minded population); to continue the "deals" between the oligarchs (a great way to make money for everyone); to maintain the total dependence of Europe; so that China can clearly see how the "second most powerful army in the world" is helplessly trampling under Avdeevka (which is smaller than a village in Taiwan). And the saddest thing is that this situation is also beneficial for Putin and his entourage. Now we are similar to the state of the reign of the helpless Nicholas II - and then the agony of the country lasted more than a decade! Yes, everything can be changed - but at the head of the state there should be a person of the level of the great Alexander III or I.V. Stalin - and not all of that ...
    1. Donbass Russia
      Donbass Russia 27 November 2022 18: 34
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      Ukraine needs a pitched battle as long as they have a trained and formed unit that is superior to the infantry. Which has been successful in two offensives. We need to exhaust them with defense and defeat the main forces in the Donbass with our new forces. Move forward and occupy as much as possible, large settlements, such as Zaporozhye and Kharkov and the occupied cities of the DPR. Or maybe Kherson and Nikolaev. Depriving them of industry and population for subsequent mobilization.
  32. cooper
    cooper 27 November 2022 13: 59
    +1
    There will be no pitched battle. The methodical unhurried grinding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and of the entire Ukrainian Reich, will continue.
  33. cat-begemot
    cat-begemot 27 November 2022 22: 47
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    It seems to me that the phrase: "The Armed Forces of Ukraine, having seized the initiative during the autumn campaign, could not impose a general battle on the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: the Russian battle formations withdrew from both the Kharkov and Kherson directions to new defensive lines without engaging in a large-scale battle. " the author wrote out of sincere simplicity. Not out of stupidity ....
  34. Kapany3
    Kapany3 28 November 2022 07: 34
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    Quote: Vladimir100
    Rave. They were formed separately from the Russians for several centuries in a row and have long strived for independence. Tell this to the Khoklyars in some Cherkasy or Khmelnytsky region, they will laugh.

    go to school
  35. Vincent price
    Vincent price 28 November 2022 11: 35
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    The irony of this conflict is that no one needs a victory. Ukraine does not need it, since it will have to spend too many human resources to achieve it, and the current government, given the gentlemanly behavior of Russian rocket scientists, is more profitable to wage war, develop budgets and score on social programs and the economy. Russia does not need a victory, because as long as at least one region is under its control, it will send soldiers and terrorists to be slaughtered. And we simply do not have the resources to control the entire territory of Ukraine, neither power nor financial or managerial. United States victory is also unnecessary, controlled chaos is their conscious strategy, they can suck forces out of the Russian Federation for as long as they like. Well, nobody asks Europe.
  36. the same doctor
    the same doctor 28 November 2022 11: 58
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    If at least 50 step-up transformers at Ukrainian nuclear power plants and thermal power plants were destroyed, then the war would already be over. That our little things are beaten up? I don't understand.