Polish press: Conflict in Ukraine showed that Ka-52 and Mi-28 attack helicopters work best in tandem

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Polish press: Conflict in Ukraine showed that Ka-52 and Mi-28 attack helicopters work best in tandem

After the Russian Ministry of Defense began purchasing Mi-28N and Ka-52 helicopters, Western analysts could not understand why the Russian army needed two types of attack vehicles.

The conflict in Ukraine has shown that they work best in tandem

- noted in the publication Defense24.



Based on the footage of the use of helicopters during the special operation, the Polish observer believes that "despite many similarities in armament, equipment and capabilities, the Ka-52 and Mi-28N differ so much that they can complement each other, and not compete with each other."

Both machines are equipped with VK-2500 engines, however, they have different propeller systems. The Ka-52 is equipped with coaxial rotors, which, according to the author, significantly limits the maneuverability of the vehicle. During sharp turns, the upper and lower blades can collide, resulting in disaster. The Ka-52 is equipped with an ejection system, but not a single case of its use has been documented [maybe due to the fact that the examples of the defeat of the Ka-52 are isolated].

The armored Mi-28N is equipped with a traditional propeller system and is able to complete the flight even if it is significantly damaged. The helicopter is characterized by high maneuverability and speed, especially in horizontal flight.

A significant advantage of the Ka-52 is the L-370P2 [Vitebsk] on-board defense and anti-aircraft warning system. As a result of its use in Syria, it was also installed on the latest modification of the Mi-28NM, but the Mi-28N continue to use an outdated warning system that is ineffective against new anti-aircraft missiles.

The fire control systems of both helicopters are based on the same BAGET-53 on-board computer, however, they have a different configuration of the equipment that it controls. The Ka-52 is equipped with the Argument-2000 integrated digital system, which combines sensors, a targeting and acquisition system, as well as a navigation and flight control system. The optoelectronic system of the Ka-52 GOES-451 operates in the visible and infrared ranges and is connected to the Arbalet radar located on the nose of the vehicle. It allows not only mapping the terrain, facilitating flight at a minimum altitude, but also detecting weather anomalies and ground targets from a distance of up to 25 km and air targets up to 15 km. At the same time, both pilots, duplicating each other, have the same access to both flight control and weapons.



In the case of the Mi-28N, the division into a gunner and an armament operator is rigid, duplication of their work became possible only in the recently created combat training version of the Mi-28UB. The Mi-28N also does not have an airborne radar (appeared only in the export version of the Mi-28NE and the upgraded Mi-28NM). The machine has two optoelectronic systems. The OPS-28 is responsible for aiming, which is equipped with day and night observation devices, as well as a laser rangefinder and a thermal imager with a wide field of view and high resolution. The second OES is TOES-521, which is responsible for the control of missiles with radio command control.

As the author points out, the advantage of the Mi-28N is a much more advanced optoelectronic data processing system that allows you to automatically detect and track targets until they are eliminated. To this should be added the onboard communication system KSS-28N-1, which makes it possible to exchange data, including images, in real time with other helicopters and ground control points.

Although the Ka-52 has a more modern and versatile surveillance and aiming system, the Mi-28N equipment is more efficient in processing and transmitting data, allowing the operator to transmit information about targets to other aircraft and ground points in a visual form convenient for the operator.

- the observer notes.

According to him, the latest version of the Mi-28NM received the Arbalet radar, which is equipped with the Ka-52, which will significantly increase the ability to search for targets. The radar is placed above the rotor (and not in the nose of the machine like the Ka-52), providing a 360-degree view, and not just in the forward hemisphere.

Both vehicles are armed with 30mm aviation gun 2A42 with an effective range of up to 4 km. However, the Mi-28N has a stock of only 250 rounds, and the gun is placed under the nose with a wide horizontal travel (220 degrees) and a narrow vertical travel. As the author notes, the Ka-52 is unique in this part. The gun is located close to the center of gravity of the vehicle, which greatly improves the accuracy and stability of the platform in flight, and the ammunition supply is 460 rounds.



As for suspended weapons, the Ka-52 carries 2 tons of weapons on 6 pylons, and the Mi-28N is 400 kg less on 4 pylons. From the point of view of the main armament, the capabilities of both machines are close. The armor-piercing arsenal is based on supersonic missiles with radio command guidance 9M120 "Attack" with a range of 6 km. The Mi-28N can carry 16 units and the Ka-52 only 12, but the latter can replace them with 9K121 Vikhr-M missiles with a range of 10 km with laser guidance.

At the same time, in Ukraine, unlike Syria, unguided rockets are used more often, mainly 80-mm S-8. The Ka-52 can be armed with the Igla-V/S missiles, which are placed on the third, outermost pair of suspensions specially designated for them. At the same time, the Mi-28N can be armed with missiles only at the expense of other types of weapons.

Ka-52 takes a little more weapons and can hit objects from a greater distance, including air targets. The Mi-28N, on the contrary, is better armored and has more opportunities to exchange information received onboard. Therefore, in many frames from Ukraine, you can see helicopters of both types working together.

- indicates the author.

According to the observations of the observer, the Mi-28N usually flies as a leader, performing the function of reconnaissance and sometimes conducting reconnaissance in force. This is facilitated by good armor and efficient operation of the gun in the horizontal plane. The Ka-52 usually flies a little behind, but at a distance that allows you to cover or provide fire support to the leading vehicle.

The Ka-52 is a "hammer" that performs the last blow thanks to stronger weapons, and the good detection of targets by the leading Mi-28 vehicle and the data transmitted by it make it possible to negate the disadvantages of gun placement and use a larger supply of ammunition. Thanks to Igla-V missiles, the Ka-52 also provides escort for the Mi-28, protecting it from possible attacks by enemy aircraft or helicopters.

- the author believes, concluding that "both machines complement each other, and the upgraded versions of the Mi-28NM and Ka-52M currently being developed, eliminating some shortcomings, enhance the advantages of both helicopters."

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  1. +19
    26 November 2022 19: 42
    Polish press: The conflict in Ukraine showed that attack helicopters Ka-52 and Mi-28 lu
    . What conclusions can be drawn?
    More rotorcraft!!!
    1. +2
      26 November 2022 19: 49
      Quote: rocket757
      What conclusions can be made?
      More rotorcraft!!!

      Yes, an interesting question. In general, according to reviews, it was the K-52 that proved itself well. In terms of the survivability of the machine itself, so in terms of the survivability of the crews. My opinion is that the K-50 needs to be revived. With the current level of electronics, one pilot can handle it, and the car is much cheaper and easier to build than the K-52.
      1. -6
        26 November 2022 20: 10
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        More rotorcraft!!!

        Everything. This is the limit. People in the government literally fall from fatigue.
        1. -8
          26 November 2022 20: 20
          They want to raise salaries for the "servants of the people", otherwise they care about the "poor things" ... who recently pushed the turkey there, Volodin seems ...
          1. -5
            26 November 2022 21: 16
            And then. All in worries and deeds. They even get sick at work. [media=https://www.hibiny.com/news/archive/277986/]
            1. -4
              26 November 2022 23: 00
              They work like bees, for the good of themselves. They robbed all the nectar from the people, for their honey.
      2. -1
        26 November 2022 20: 18
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        My opinion is that the K-50 needs to be revived. With the current level of electronics, one pilot can handle it, and the car is much cheaper and easier to build than the K-52.

        A certain Russian company turned to the RF Ministry of Defense with a project to create an attack drone-drone based on the Ka-50 ... I don’t know anything about the response of the Ministry of Defense (and was there an answer? ...) ... (I don’t remember!) ...
      3. +3
        26 November 2022 20: 21
        Not my topic ... here the opinion of specialists, flyers should come first.
      4. +9
        26 November 2022 20: 30
        One won't do it. Can you name a modern single-crew combat helicopter?
        1. 0
          27 November 2022 22: 53
          In 90% of the tasks that we see on the rollers, one pilot will cope effortlessly, why carry a passenger?
        2. 0
          28 November 2022 18: 57
          Science, of course, knows cases with a two-term one, but this is still an anomaly. laughing
      5. +6
        26 November 2022 21: 47
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        With the current level of electronics, one pilot can handle it
        One does not cope, even on an Apache oversaturated with electronics. It gets to the point that the eyes of helicopter pilots begin to move independently - so much needs to be tracked.
        1. +1
          28 November 2022 18: 03
          Here, after all, it is not a question of saturation with electronics, but of the level of automation. On-board systems should take over the work so that they do not need to be controlled. For example, on the network there are launches of LMUR from a helicopter, when a target is tracked on the screen until it is hit. Is this a human operator watching? And in theory, this should be an on-board system either in conjunction with the UAV, or through an all-angle camera, or directly interacting with the pilot so that he does not reject the car and the target is lost. The future of aviation (including helicopter) is completely unmanned autonomous (!) Systems
      6. +2
        27 November 2022 07: 22
        Pair crew is the best option!!! In general, we have such a phrase in the energy sector: "The minimum number of team members is 2 people"
        1. -2
          27 November 2022 22: 55
          And where does the safety of your energy and aviation?
          1. 0
            28 November 2022 19: 03
            These are 1. Security - control and mutual assistance in case of an emergency 2. Separation of duties when performing complex work.
            Aircraft can get by with one crew member. But the attack helicopter of the front line - a conditional analogue of the Il-2, is in much more difficult conditions. An aircraft several kilometers above the ground is threatened only by missiles. And when flying over trees, everything that is at least somehow capable of shooting fires at you. Starting from the Berdans of the late 300th century and ending with the S-XNUMX.
            1. 0
              29 November 2022 00: 11
              Well, if you already remembered the IL-2 (and there is also its modern analogue of the Su-25), then the work on the ground in them was and is being carried out by one pilot. Moreover, the developers of the Ka-50 thought the same way: When designing, they took the Su-25 complex as a basis, sensibly judging that the pilot of an attack aircraft alone copes with small targets in flight at extremely low altitudes, although there speeds are higher and reaction time is less
              1. 0
                29 November 2022 23: 31
                But the tasks of the attack aircraft and its capabilities are still not as wide as those of an attack helicopter. In fact, an attack helicopter is a "flying tank"
                1. 0
                  30 November 2022 08: 48
                  The tasks, despite the difference in performance characteristics, are the same for them: the destruction of ground-based small-sized and mobile objects on the battlefield in tactical depth. It’s just that the Ka-50 is a pure striker, and the Ka-52 is a reconnaissance-strike, so to speak, a command post for the Ka-50 link.
                  Watch again all the videos on the work of the Ka-52 and ask yourself the question, can one pilot of the same Ka-50 do the same?
                  1. 0
                    30 November 2022 08: 49
                    As for the fact that the tasks of the Su-25 are not so wide - then for comparison, then you need to take the Su-39
      7. 0
        28 November 2022 17: 59
        Yes, the Ka-50 was clearly ahead of its time. Now the level of automation and computer technology should allow part of the operations to be transferred to on-board systems. But, either it is somehow highly classified, or they are not developing - I have not seen any mention of such a scheme
    2. -2
      26 November 2022 20: 11
      More rotorcraft!!!
      But you can also think about a hybrid of these two machines, I think it might work out.
      1. +7
        26 November 2022 20: 17
        What hybrids? One and a half propeller ... rotors?
        Their unification is already in full swing, although some important nodes are, in fact, the same.
        You can think about something fundamentally new, unparalleled gee gee wink
        In general, these specialists should scratch their heads, they know better, unlike us, couch experts.
      2. +4
        26 November 2022 20: 19
        But you can also think about a hybrid of these two machines, I think it might work out.

        yeah, a hybrid of snake and hedgehog wink
    3. +2
      26 November 2022 20: 20
      More rotorcraft!!!

      And more high-precision missiles for them!
      1. +1
        26 November 2022 20: 51
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        More rotorcraft!!!

        And more high-precision missiles for them!

        Without suitable, effective weapons, a combat vehicle does not add up at all.
    4. +9
      26 November 2022 20: 45
      Quote: rocket757
      More rotorcraft!!!

      Combat drone helicopters are also very needed ... for example, to escort military columns! Moreover, the "carrier" of such drone helicopters will be special versions of military armored vehicles ... Armored vehicles carry drones in kungs ... drones take off and land through the "roof "armored and equipped with S-8L missiles with a laser seeker ...
      1. +2
        26 November 2022 20: 53
        This is understandable, unmanned aircraft, and everything else, now steers on the battlefield noticeably, effectively.
        Necessary equipment, no options.
      2. +2
        26 November 2022 23: 44
        Such unmanned helicopters VSR700 will be in service with French frigates.

        For obvious reasons, they are designed to fly over the sea; intelligence; search engines, etc. functions.
        But not in order to burn armored vehicles.



        Based on a civilian two-seat helicopter.
        The military drone is powered by a diesel engine.
        1. 0
          28 November 2022 19: 09
          In fact, even the Mi-2 can be made unmanned. The question of economic feasibility.
    5. +1
      26 November 2022 23: 16
      Everyone understands this, the main thing is that the MO understands this.
      1. +1
        26 November 2022 23: 37
        We, like everywhere else, have enough accountants, effective managers who want to cut, cut and optimize! MO is not in the first place there ...
    6. -1
      26 November 2022 23: 42
      Conclusions can be drawn that they are useless without LMURs.
      And with them, the Mi-8 flew successfully
    7. +9
      27 November 2022 00: 41
      From the article, the conclusions are only such that the author wrote the article drunk! And about the radars that the Mi-28 does not have, and the Ka-52 is not maneuverable at all and the propellers can clash -3rd grade of a dibile school!
  2. +14
    26 November 2022 19: 46
    HZ! The son says that in any group there is always one Alligator, along with the MI-8PSS and the EW helicopter. The rest all depends on the availability of turntables at the moment at the base and the specific task. Mi-28 in any case loses to the Alligator.
    1. -13
      26 November 2022 21: 41
      And where did he lose? In what place did this happen, with your son on the simulator ?!
      1. +11
        26 November 2022 21: 55
        Is there anything to say about the case? I don't even serve on Saturdays.
  3. +4
    26 November 2022 19: 54
    Mi-28 is just wasted resources. The Milevites should have done a normal modernization of the Mi-24, and not hastily sculpt the freak Mi-35M.
    1. +3
      26 November 2022 20: 04
      Mi-24 has long reached the ceiling of modernization. You can not constantly sculpt a supercar out of it.
      1. -6
        26 November 2022 20: 57
        Well, well, tell me what such a modernization ceiling has the Mi-24 reached? It will be very interesting for me to listen to such a great specialist in helicopter aviation, who even knows about some mysterious Mi-8PSS.
        1. +5
          26 November 2022 21: 18
          Will the opinion of the son-navigator of the helicopter squadron suit you?
          1. +3
            26 November 2022 21: 56
            Nothing will do. Because the knowledge and experience of your son is far from your experience and knowledge. Moreover, I kind of know the Mi-24 well. lol

            But since this is the case, tell me, what kind of helicopter is this, Mi-8PSS? winked
            1. +2
              26 November 2022 22: 13
              Search and Rescue Service will suit you? In general, I do not dare to argue anymore. Moreover, this is only his personal opinion.
              1. +2
                26 November 2022 22: 46
                No, it won't. Before throwing in terms, you first need to at least figure out how the PSS differs from the PSO.
                Well, there are no Mi-8PSSs. For the PSO, both the already outdated Mi-8MT and subsequent modifications are involved.
                1. 0
                  27 November 2022 00: 11
                  Buy a goose and make him a brain. I'm from the deaf. I can.
                  [Center]
                  1. +2
                    27 November 2022 10: 43
                    Your vision is bad too. For in the photo the Mi-8AMTSh, but not the Mi-8PSS. request
                    1. -2
                      27 November 2022 13: 58
                      I see that you are not able to hold a blow. And about the fact that MI-8 does not have modifications of the PSS, even I know. And you seem to be just clueless. Once again I repeat that I am from the deaf and dumb and I can.
                      1. 0
                        27 November 2022 17: 48
                        What are you talking about, but meanwhile all the moves are written down. lol
                      2. 0
                        27 November 2022 21: 10
                        Do not include the alternatively gifted. You understood everything. For sim bow. I don't dare to strain your brain anymore.
                      3. 0
                        27 November 2022 22: 35
                        Alternatively, you included the gifted one. In the future, try not to talk about things you don't understand. This will save you from inventing non-existent helicopter modifications.
                        And yes, the PSS does not have any helicopters. lol
        2. +1
          26 November 2022 21: 36
          Mi-24 - then there was the Mi-24M, then there was the Mi-35, then there was the Mi-35M. Modernization does not mean that the engines are different or the avionics are different, but the fact that this family has changed - well, sorry!
          1. 0
            26 November 2022 21: 58
            Mi-24M? You didn’t confuse it with the Mi-24VM for an hour.
        3. -2
          26 November 2022 23: 11
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          about some mysterious Mi-8PSS.

          Search and Rescue Service (SRS) is possible on MI-8. Too lazy to search, guessed it or not, if you weren’t banned for life in Google, you could have searched yourself, but wait until they chew it and shove it.
          1. +3
            26 November 2022 23: 29
            Once again, there is no modification of the Mi-8PSS.
            1. +3
              27 November 2022 02: 46
              Once again, there is no modification of the Mi-8PSS.

              Leave them, don't argue them... There is one and a half helicopter pilots on the site, and the comments - as if you are sitting in the OVE smoking room in Bezrechka. By the way, a photo from behind the river? Colored, I see. A rarity in those days. I only have black and white. I took the film from the lens makers. "Isopanochrome -25k" without perforation.
              1. +1
                27 November 2022 11: 05
                Yes, I shot it on German reversible film ORWO CHROM UT18. That is, he made slides, a compromise option, because color photo printing in those years was still a pain in the ass. And in the conditions of Afghanistan it is generally not feasible.
                However, the development of a reversible film under the conditions of the module was also not an easy task. And what a shortage the set of reagents was... Out of desperation, we managed to develop a double set of films in one set. And my friend was still that masochist, he generally filmed with a movie camera.
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      2. +1
        26 November 2022 21: 39
        Send your post to America. Their b-52 achieved this long ago. They have a military budget with our money of 50 trillion a year. And - modernize ...
        1. -2
          26 November 2022 22: 32
          Send your post to America. Their b-52 achieved this long ago. They have a military budget with our money of 50 trillion a year. And - modernize ...

          And we do not modernize the T-34. What a waste...
      3. 0
        27 November 2022 13: 26
        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
        The Milevites should have done a normal upgrade of the Mi-24, and not hastily sculpt the freak Mi-35M.

        For the sake of interest, what do you mean by normal modernization? Tighten the possibility of using the "true follower" UAV, new engines, electronics? And why is the mi-35 so bad? It is precisely the modernization and development of the mi-24.
        This is not a question for the sake of holivar.
    2. 0
      27 November 2022 04: 02
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      The Milevites should have done a normal upgrade of the Mi-24, and not hastily sculpt the freak Mi-35M.

      Isn't the Mi-35M a normal upgrade of the Mi-24?
      1. 0
        27 November 2022 05: 19
        No.
        Short wing, non-retractable landing gear, no radar, no Vitebsk airborne defense system.

        The new engine is definitely a plus.
        1. 0
          27 November 2022 06: 10
          Quote: Maxim G
          No.
          Short wing, non-retractable landing gear, no radar, no Vitebsk airborne defense system

          Of course, you are an expert, so I agree with your arguments. And I also determine it in the picture by the X-shaped tail rotor. But the shortening of the wing is not clear to me. What's the benefit in this? Less lift, fewer pylons...
          1. 0
            27 November 2022 06: 59
            Quote: Pantsuy

            Of course, you are an expert, so I agree with your arguments.

            Not a specialist.
            Specialists in this topic (they are present in the comments here): vovochkarzhevsky, dauria (Aleksey) - veteran helicopter pilots.
            I wonder what they will say about this.

            As for the short wing, I don’t even know what the designers were guided by.
        2. 0
          27 November 2022 12: 12
          Quote: Maxim G
          No.
          fixed landing gear

          The chassis is made as an additional cushioning during a hard landing
          1. 0
            27 November 2022 12: 20
            And initially retractable for what were?
  4. +12
    26 November 2022 20: 06
    The Ka-52 is equipped with coaxial rotors, which, according to the author, significantly limits the maneuverability of the vehicle.

    I have doubts about this. Judging by the numerous NAR launch videos, the Ka-52 goes into a U-turn much faster and sharper than the Mi-28.
  5. +16
    26 November 2022 20: 20
    The Ka52 has a protective system, but the Mi28 does not ...... the set of avionics is different ...... leave one helicopter, make it at two factories, equip it with the best from both sides. Get a healthy country helicopter.
    1. LMN
      +1
      26 November 2022 21: 53
      a set of avionics is different ...... leave one helicopter, make it at two factories, equip it with the best from both sides. Get a healthy country helicopter.

      IMHO, it is impossible at the moment to combine everything in one copy.

      It's like air defense.
      There is C 500-400, Beech, Shell ..
      Leave one system, equip it with all the best. Get the air defense of a healthy country.
      1. 0
        26 November 2022 23: 26
        It’s just possible ...... For this, the competition was held ... TK for attack helicopters is one thing ....
      2. 0
        27 November 2022 22: 09
        Nonsense, they stupidly duplicate each other. Zaurbek is right, it's cheaper and easier to produce one car. This mi8 cannot be replaced, the machines are different in purpose. The mi28 has a chance, if a full-sized strike UAV is made on its basis, expensive life support systems, an armored capsule, reinforced struts are removed, you get a light version of an assault drone - this will already be a real addition to the Ka52, like the Su57 and Okhotnik UAV.
  6. +4
    26 November 2022 20: 28
    We are still interested in what they say about us abroad. And they, for the purposes of misinformation, are supposed to lie. And of course, not to lie on the forehead, but veiled.
    In short, in the current situation, all these foreign reviews of Russian technology are in the furnace. Even reading them is harmful. Especially reviews [translation] to reviews. But their original authors, that is, those who write original articles, and not translations, need to be given a way.
  7. +18
    26 November 2022 20: 35
    These foreign experts are so smart .... - the ka-52 is less maneuverable compared to the mi-28 because it has a coaxial scheme - this is dementia and idiocy because everything is exactly the opposite.
  8. +7
    26 November 2022 20: 51
    Why the Mi-28 is needed did not become clear either from the article or from the experience of the current conflict
  9. +1
    26 November 2022 21: 20
    Polish press: .... Ka-52 and Mi-28 work best in tandem

    they caught the brake virus in Estonians ...
    they wrote about this back in the spring ... xperds, copying from each other ... :)
  10. +8
    26 November 2022 21: 31
    The article is more like an order from the Milevites.
    How was this catapult not used? If my memory serves me right, two months ago there was the first successful ejection from a damaged KA 52.
    My opinion is unchanged. In this segment, the Ka-52 is our best attack helicopter, its production must be increased. Milevtsy to engage in the modernization of existing machines and in the production of new vehicles.
  11. +5
    26 November 2022 21: 31
    . Both the Ka-52, and the Mi-28 and Mi-24/35 in Ukraine shoot 90% of the nurses at the areas from the cabriolet. A flight costs 1 million rubles + risk for pilots + risk for equipment. The work efficiency is less than 10%. We're risking the boys! No need to treat us with a shoe, we know what we are talking about!!! Shooting with nurses from a pitch-up over the squares = a video picture for sofa freaks from EP, and for our pilots - ... ask them who they hit from 3 km, making a 100-degree turn after a volley! Only without a political officer, but as a friend over a glass of moonshine.
  12. +7
    26 November 2022 21: 35
    The Ka-52 is equipped with coaxial rotors, which, according to the author, significantly limits the maneuverability of the vehicle.


    I have not heard more nonsense. The Ka-52 is the most maneuverable helicopter in the world.
    1. 0
      27 November 2022 01: 07
      formally yes, but in fact it has a very tight limit on overloads. That is, you can fly sideways, twist turns and barrels with loops, but with a limitation in acceleration, and in different planes it is different ...
  13. +1
    26 November 2022 21: 52
    Would it make sense to restore the Ka-50 squadron if they did not rot in Torzhok?
    1. 0
      29 November 2022 06: 15
      She was never there. lol Don't rot, take care! wink
  14. +1
    26 November 2022 21: 57
    Aviation generally disappointed, so much money and talk was thrown into it, but in fact, after the capture of Mariupol, it showed nothing at all. Even in World War II, aviation was much more dangerous.
    Only UAVs are pleasing, they really turned out to be effective, and as luck would have it, we have a huge gap in this area, especially in the interaction of UAVs with artillery.
    1. +5
      27 November 2022 04: 10
      Quote: Dmitry Rigov
      Aviation was generally disappointing, so much money and talk was thrown into it, but in fact, after the capture of Mariupol, it showed nothing at all

      All of our aviation operates either on the limber with pitch-up attacks, which is extremely inefficient (Su-25, Mi-28, Ka-52), or outside the air defense coverage area (Tu-95, Tu-22M). Unfortunately, we do not see massive and carpet bombings. The destruction of critical infrastructure by bombs is also not visible. Fighter aviation in general is now resting due to the insufficiency of objects for extermination.
      Only the Black Sea Fleet upset me more than aviation
      1. +1
        27 November 2022 14: 30
        aviation (or rather the Aerospace Forces) do not fight on their own .. they SHOULD be supported by all types of troops (as well as the reverse process), namely, electronic warfare (including ground-based) and AWACS (and these are somewhere or we have everything (unparalleled but in a single copy) and given the second letter, of course, space (and where is our satellite constellation - has anyone heard anything about the work of our space reconnaissance) and including the Special Forces unit (and the Airborne Forces, it’s stupidly worn down like infantry or sits out in of their RPMs, and then why do Russia need guys in blue (and maroon) berets to swim in fountains ???) that they should break through the path of army aviation by destroying (well, or at least illuminating) air defense systems (both launchers and radars) exactly like that the Americans acted in Iraq and they succeeded, but with us (including due to the fact that the VKS were left on their own) and ONE type of sortie takes place - on a cabriolet, fire a volley of NURSs and .. to the base for becoming a Gastello of bad dumb but it’s different with non-suppressed air defense in any way .. here and now ... which of course is sad !!!
        1. 0
          27 November 2022 16: 40
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          there is ONE type of sorties - on a pitch-up, fire a volley of NURSs and .. to the base

          Note that all the videos of our MO about the excellent work of aviation are made according to one template. First, they show us the loading of NURSs, then takeoff, then the view from the cockpit, then the launch of NURSs from a cabling, landing. All.
  15. +5
    26 November 2022 22: 03
    The Ka-52 is equipped with an ejection system, but not a single case of its use has been documented [maybe due to the fact that examples of the defeat of the Ka-52 are isolated. Seriously?!!!! But how did Putin reward the pilots for precisely the first ejection !!!
    1. 0
      26 November 2022 22: 34
      Quote from: wervolf1981
      But how did Putin reward the pilots for precisely the first ejection !!!

      Yes ... they were Major Roman Kobets and Captain Ivan Boldyrev! Yes
  16. +3
    26 November 2022 23: 20
    The feeling that the Mi28 developers ordered the article.

    Ka52 is much more maneuverable and stable thanks to two propellers, there were cases of ejection!

    By the way, not a word about LMUR "product 305", but she has proven herself very well (unlike NARs)

    We need helicopter-type drones, smaller (project: BAS750), with a 30mm cannon and 2x anti-tank missiles
    1. +1
      26 November 2022 23: 39
      The FSB Mi-8 flew with LMURs, the geniuses from the Moscow Region did not order these missiles.
      Then, after many months, the Mi-28 appeared equipped with them, probably the one that was driven by an experienced one at the exhibition
  17. -5
    26 November 2022 23: 38
    Both helicopters are useless. The usual Mi-8 with the Product-305 brought more benefits
    1. +4
      27 November 2022 09: 33
      oh well, but like hundreds of wrecked armored vehicles, and with video evidence, as they like here.
      1. 0
        27 November 2022 15: 21
        92 with video evidence and tops, moreover, decently lost helicopters
        https://airtable.com/shrF70VkLCRqUzsuo/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J
        1. +3
          29 November 2022 15: 14
          So, are they all useful? And how many more without video evidence? Do you have a beautiful sign? how much manpower? How many decently lost it with or without video evidence?
  18. +2
    26 November 2022 23: 51
    "The Ka-52 is equipped with coaxial rotors, which, according to the author, significantly limits the maneuverability of the equipment. During sharp turns, the upper and lower blades may collide, which will lead to disaster."
    Coaxial screws just increase the maneuverability of the Ka-52.
    The whipping of the winds happens, but not often, but on the other hand, the classic Mi-28 scheme can have no less classic cutting of the tail boom.
  19. -1
    27 November 2022 04: 16
    I catch carp in the swamp. Helicopter sound. Carp, understandable, in deep dive
    gone. This is Major Boyko on his Mi-4 generals from Moscow on the landing site
    in their GAZ-69 transplants.
  20. 0
    27 November 2022 06: 06
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: rocket757
    What conclusions can be made?
    More rotorcraft!!!

    Yes, an interesting question. In general, according to reviews, it was the K-52 that proved itself well. In terms of the survivability of the machine itself, so in terms of the survivability of the crews. My opinion is that the K-50 needs to be revived. With the current level of electronics, one pilot can handle it, and the car is much cheaper and easier to build than the K-52.

    Well, the new tanks, including the Abrams X, have a bunch of electronics, cameras, an "uninhabited" turret, and still a 3-man crew. Apparently no other way.
  21. +1
    27 November 2022 08: 03
    It’s not for me to judge, of course, but the Ka-52 (soon the Ka-52M) would be better to make a single attack helicopter in the Aerospace Forces. The goal of having Mi-35 (Mi-24) and Mi-28 in addition is not entirely clear.
    1. +3
      27 November 2022 09: 35
      MI-35 is quite possibly made for sale.
    2. 0
      27 November 2022 11: 39
      The goal of having Mi-35 (Mi-24) and Mi-28 in addition is not entirely clear.
      The MI-35 has one property that is not available to pure attack helicopters - the troop compartment. In some cases, a very useful thing.
  22. +1
    27 November 2022 15: 48
    It would be better if the Mi-24PVM was finished to the standard, it is more versatile, a flying infantry fighting vehicle, and remove the chassis and leave the wing for three suspensions, there are aerodynamics, and the avionics can be new and the screw from the mi-28 and the over-hulled radar and the Vitebsk defense complex, that was a helicopter.
  23. +1
    27 November 2022 21: 21
    The best attack helicopter is Mi24/35. Created 50 years ago, besides, it can carry troops. In second place is Mi8 / 17, created 60 years ago, everything can!!! Maybe the Mi-28 and Ka-52 are not bad cars, only terribly expensive, 1 billion apiece, and they don’t know anything that the Mi-8/17/24/35 can do. More modernized Mile, which are 2 times cheaper and tested by everything, time, war, and so on. Have you seen how the Ka-52 and Mi-28 work in the NWO?! Nursami on the squares! And the flight costs a million rubles on board!
    Why is this expensive junk needed?
  24. 0
    28 November 2022 00: 29
    but not a single case of its use has been documented [maybe due to the fact that examples of the defeat of the Ka-52 are isolated].

    Well hello. And what about the Gostomel landing then?
  25. 0
    29 November 2022 09: 41
    Quote: Pantsuy
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    there is ONE type of sorties - on a pitch-up, fire a volley of NURSs and .. to the base

    Note that all the videos of our MO about the excellent work of aviation are made according to one template. First, they show us the loading of NURSs, then takeoff, then the view from the cockpit, then the launch of NURSs from a cabling, landing. All.

    There were videos of the use of the Kh-31 rocket.
  26. 0
    29 November 2022 14: 38
    Quote from mad big
    One won't do it. Can you name a modern single-crew combat helicopter?

    A 2-seater helicopter is partly from the conservatism of the military.