Just... "something heavy on a stick"

A picture from my favorite book as a child, "The Fight for Fire" by J. Roni Sr. Nao beats red dwarfs with his club. True, it is worth considering what it was like for him to travel with her in search of fire. And also carry a spear, an ax, a supply of meat and a basket with fire! Although, perhaps, he just didn’t carry it (later), but was content with the stones of the Wa tribe?

“Now both of them had only clubs left. Both rose above their heads at the same time. Both were of strong oak. There were three knots on Agu's long club. From long use, it seemed polished. Nao's mace was straighter and shorter."
"Fight for fire" J. Roni Sr.

History weapons. Once, in my early childhood, I didn’t go to school yet, I happened to watch a strange semi-cartoon semi-fiction film in which a lazy schoolboy contacts a certain magical creature called “Now” (and he very often pronounces his name, here he is to him and comes!), and he drags him on time travel. A very funny movie. And from there I took out an instructive phrase that "a pointed stone and a club were the first tools of ancient man". Screwed it later in the lesson in the fifth grade and received praise. And since then, this phrase has been spinning in my head. However, progress is progress. Therefore, I wanted to see what the development of these ancient tools of labor and war resulted in?

There were different clubs in different books. For example, in the text “Struggle for Fire”, the eldest Son of the Bison Agu had three knots on his club. And in this illustration, the artist painted it just like that

And it resulted in such a percussion weapon as a club, mace or mace. And today we will get acquainted with all this tooth-and bone-crushing arsenal.

Let's start with the fact that, judging by the data we have, it was the mace that was perhaps the most important, not counting the spear, percussion weapon of the ancient Egyptians. On the "Palette of Narmer" it is in the hands of ... Pharaoh Narmer; Prince Jaffa, who showed immoderate curiosity for the mace of Pharaoh Thutmose, it was with the mace of Thutmose that they killed.

But besides the images, the finds of the pommel have come down to us, both in Egypt and beyond.

Here, for example, is a copy of a mace from Egypt. Middle Kingdom. XII dynasty. OK. 1981-1802 BC e. Probably from Meir, Uhhotep's tomb. Length 54,5 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Mace head from Cyprus. gabbro stone. Early Bronze Age. OK. 2500-1900 BC e. Dimensions: height 5,7 cm; diameter 6 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Quite early, judging by the finds from the Borodino treasure, many tops served decorative rather than actual combat purposes. And the maces themselves with carved stone tops, as well as axes made of ornamental types of stone, were not weapons, but signs of power!

Borodino treasure. Serpentine clubs. Photo © GIM

With the onset of the Bronze Age, many pommels appeared, made by casting in the "lost form". For example, in the same Cyprus, which was the center of copper mining at that time, they are found quite often.

Bronze pommel. Cyprus. XNUMXth century BC e. The ribbed shape of the pommel is much less common than the cylindrical, scepter type. It is not known whether such maces were used as symbols of power by local rulers or by people who controlled the metallurgical resources and industry of the island. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

A typical copper pommel of an Inca mace. Diameter 10 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

In North America, maces among the Indians were also very common, but they were arranged differently than in South ...

Mace of the Indians of the Great Lakes, XVIII century. Such a "club" with a ball at the end was a formidable weapon in the hands of an Indian warrior. Moreover, sometimes it was cut out so that it was tightly squeezed into the mouth of some animal, for example, an otter, and feathers were also tied above the handle to increase the supernatural power of such a weapon. Well, you can’t even talk about a sharp metal spike: nothing good was expected from such a “club” who fell under the blow. But the Dakota Indians, unlike other tribes, used a flexible club with a wicker handle - this was their tribal weapon. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Researchers of this weapon note that the elegant and deadly ball-headed maces combine both sheer refinement of form and awesome efficiency in use. The Indians used them for more than two to three hundred years, both in the northeast and in the Great Lakes region. Some of them are depicted in portraits of prominent Indian leaders, and it is precisely in the XNUMXth century. By the XNUMXth century, they had become obsolete as pipe tomahawks were favored.

Ceremonial club of the Indians of the Great Plains, c. 1900 Stone-headed war clubs of this common type were used by Native Americans for hundreds of years in the western plains from the Dakotas to Texas. This club is notable for multi-colored beads that cover the entire handle. Although the same clubs were intended for use in combat, this example served only for ceremonial purposes. Dimensions: length 94,6 cm; width 18,4 cm. Weight 776 g. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

In the Middle Ages in Europe, the mace became the weapon of the knights, and very soon its warhead turned from a spherical into a lamellar one, that is, now it was already the so-called shestoper. We see it on many medieval miniatures and even in knightly coats of arms. For example, three silver six-pointers adorned the azure armorial shield of the knight and minnesinger Konrad Schenke von Limpurg (before 1249 - after 1286).

The knights of many medieval initials - capital letters - are armed with a very similar ...

The letters are different - one shestoper!

Mace on Turkish utensils 1200-1268 similar to these samples just "one to one". Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Exactly the same shestoper is also found on the miniature from the manuscript "The Ancient History of Julius Caesar", dating from 1325-1350. British Library, London

However, after a hundred years, this weapon became not only ... a weapon, but also turned into a real work of blacksmithing art. Here, for example, is a six-pointer from the Wallace Collection:

Mace in the German "Gothic" style, with six small flanges, each of which is elongated at an acute angle and pierced with shamrocks. The head is topped with a copper alloy cap. The handle is hexagonal, each plane is inlaid with a strip of copper alloy. The handle is round, covered with a cord and leather straps, and is also protected by a flat steel guard of a hexagonal shape; a round disk at the end is fixed with a copper alloy rosette. Southern Germany, ca. 1470 Materials: steel, copper alloy, cord and leather. Length 39,5 cm, from the guard. Weight 1,24 kg. Wallace Collection, London

It's a fantastically beautiful six-bladed mace with curly edges and pointed protrusions in the middle, crowned with a pyramidal knob. The end knob, edges, reinforced ends of the flanges and the lower tip of the head are gilded. The octagonal handle of polished steel is adorned with two small shields in low relief, engraved with a quatrefoil cross on one and the Latin letters SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus) on the other. There is a hole for a cord or strap. The surface of the handle is covered with a diamond-shaped relief pattern, the end is spirally corrugated, with stripes of gilding. Northern Italy, ca. 1550. Length 65,5 cm. Weight 1,5 kg. Wallace Collection, London

Quite a simple combat shestoper. OK. 1540 Italy. Length 63,5 cm. Weight 1,47 kg. Wallace Collection, London

They tried to increase the impact force of the mace (and not without success!) By equipping its head with sharp spikes. Usually it was done like this: holes for spikes were drilled in a hollow spherical top, then they were inserted into them, and the inner cavity of the sphere was filled with lead - it turned out to be both hard and strong, and easy to repair. But it was the weapon of poor warriors, because the nobility had their own spiked maces. Well, let's say they are:

Mace with a spherical head, seated with twenty-two square spikes; tubular handle with two pads near the head; a handle of almost square section, protected by a small rondel, under which a hole for a lanyard is made; the handle has a conical pommel with a small "button". The pommel, top of the hilt, and hilt are elaborately decorated with C-shaped volutes, with fine arabesques plated in gold and silver, against a brown background; on the head are seven oval panels with edges inlaid with silver "pearls" or dots and containing figures representing Music, Glory, Venus and Cupid. A hilt with three panels of the same decoration and a hilt with four figures: Mars, Hercules, Diana and Flora, carved in low relief. The central part of the handle has a vertical strip of gold. Northern Italian (Milanese work) of the second half of the 48th century. Length 1,54 cm. Weight XNUMX kg. Wallace Collection, London

When I read Firdowsi's Shah-nameh for the first time, I was struck by the epithet for Rustam's mace - "bull-headed". But since there were plenty of colorful epithets, I didn’t pay attention to it until I saw this ...

Mace with bull's head. Heroes of the Shah-name (Book of Kings), the epic of the poet Ferdowsi about pre-Islamic Iran, completed in 1010, were armed with similar weapons. The mace reproduces the weapon of the hero Bahram, made in memory of the cow that fed him. The emblem of strength and goodness was inherited by other heroes of the epic, in particular Feridun and Rustam. A very clear example of the revival of ancient Iranian images. Moreover, even the fake signature of the legendary blacksmith Haji Abbas was made on the mace and the equally fake date of 951 AH (1544-1545) was put. Materials: steel, gold. Production time: XIX century. Length 82,6 cm. Weight 879 g. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Indian maces were very different from European ones. Firstly, many had a guard on the handle, similar to a saber, and were two-handed, and secondly, by their design: it was very intricate. Museum in Delhi. Photo by S. Samodurova

Well, very often in the XV-XVI centuries. the mace served as a symbol of military leadership. Therefore, both the mace and the mace tried to decorate richer.

For example, here is what the six-pointer of King Henry II of France looked like, around 1540. This mace depicts the emblems and mottos of Henry II (r. 1547-1559), as well as the signature of the Spanish gunsmith Diego de Chayas, who worked at the French court with 1535 to 1542, and then in England at the court of Henry VIII. Length 60,9 cm. Weight 1,588 kg. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The pommel of the six-blade of King Henry II of France. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

It appears to have been made for Henry between the time he became dauphin in 1539 and de Chayas's departure for England in 1542. Tiny multi-figured battle scenes made of gold and silver were just very characteristic of the work of this master.

Comments

[Bingo]

Hindus would not be Indians if they hadn’t buckled with clubs) According to the mind, they just don’t need maces - the hotter the climate, the less armor. And a two-handed weapon is more logical than a spear - while swinging a meter-long pole, a spear will have time to turn you into a colander 20 times)

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote from Bingo

Hindus would not be Indians if they hadn’t buckled with clubs) According to the mind, they just don’t need maces - the hotter the climate, the less armor. And a two-handed weapon is more logical than a spear - while swinging a meter-long pole, a spear will have time to turn you into a colander 20 times)

Good morning comrades!
Any weapon requires skill to use it. Perhaps the most ideal weapon of mankind before the advent of firearms is a bow and a sling! The crossbow is more effective but slower. The archer doesn’t care how long the “vis-a-vis” spear is. By the way, Indian rajas used horse archers against Wellington's army (when he was not yet). Similarly, Napoleon's French were met by our archers from the Kalmyks and Bashkirs, and these are the years 1812-1813! In. Many Bashkir and Tatar villages are still proud of their great-great-great-grandfathers who went to "Paris".
Well, the last one. The most important thing is not even individual skills or weapons, but training, coordinating the unit as a whole. Well, plus the bright head of a military leader ..

[Blacksmith 55]

...went to Paris.
Until now, in the Urals, in particular in the Orenburg region, there are settlements named by soldiers who visited Europe in pursuit of Napoleon.
Paris, Brient and others.

Of course I read this book, "Fight for Fire"
This tribe lacked Seryozha Tarabuka from the book "Seryozha Tarabuka, the leader of the Wamba Namba tribe"
He would not only get them fire, but he would also build an excavator. It's a joke, of course, but it just came to mind for some reason.
And the photos are just amazing.
Thank you.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Not only! If offhand in the Chelyabinsk region there is also Varna, Breda !!!

[stankow]

The Russian army took Varna in 1829. At the same time, she fired rockets at Congreve. And she took it with a storm, there was no long siege. The redoubt is still standing.

[Aviator_]

Until now, in the Urals, in particular in the Orenburg region, there are settlements named by soldiers who visited Europe in pursuit of Napoleon.
Paris, Brient and others.

There is. Only they were named not by soldiers, but by decrees of the EIV of Nicholas I (Kvarkeno, Ferchampenoise, etc.)

[Bingo]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Perhaps the most ideal weapon of mankind before the advent of firearms is a bow and a sling!

Samurai point of view. Their main weapon is a bow, then a spear, only then a sword. It is precisely because the archer of the spearman, and the spearman of the swordsman, all other things being equal, will send him to the Shinto mother earlier)))

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

The spearman is strong in the ranks. However, the legionnaires of Rome, armed with short pilums and gladiuses, broke all the phalanxes. Including Macedonian.
The most advanced infantry formations of the Middle Ages are English - yeomen, Spanish - thirds, Swiss - battles and German-Brungund - landsknechts. Only the first are armed with ranged weapons, the third with lances, the rest with halberds. However, the 4th rank of the Swiss battles was also armed with halberds.
However, our first semi-regular archers would also be armed with reeds (a subspecies of axes, halberds).

[Bingo]

Well, I'll tell you from other people's words, I myself am not fond of reenactment, but my acquaintances are, yes. They say that a spear is the simplest weapon for training, to show a couple of jokes, well, like the idea that a left-handed person doesn’t understand impudently that it’s necessary to poke a stick no higher than the waist - it’s more dangerous - and that’s it, drive for a day or two, you won’t fail with a tip, and if the hands do not get tired of poking at the swordsman, the swordsman will not get close to him.
But with a berdysh, the rzhach came out, just watched this scene, one acquaintance, well, he is a cop, though not from the teaching staff, SOBR, but he knows how to wave a stick. They showed him HOW they hold the reed - so he said that he comes out very close with a rubber stick. There, the second hand is under the crescent, and it is to wave the shaft - moreover, given that the center of gravity is in the right hand, and the shaft is in the left - to crucify the unarmed crowd with the shaft - how to do it. Quickly several blows in different directions. The first police weapon))) Not my phrase)))
And here again about training - a checker is considered the simplest sword-shaped weapon. 6, it seems strokes and two blocks are normal, as taught. The most dangerous blow is ascending, oblique, from bottom to top. Despite the fact that a saber is a weapon and it’s really simple, you can’t fence, a cleaver ... And also show this upward blow - then you can neigh like a cow on ice, but everything seems simple. With a spear, checkers are easier, and with a spear - again, if 1-on-1, then the advantages of long-armed weapons ...
Well, I didn’t come up with the samurai postulate about a bow, spear and sword?

[Pane Kohanku]

The most advanced infantry formations of the Middle Ages are English - yeomen, Spanish - thirds, Swiss - battles and German-Brungund - landsknechts.

Very well described everything, Vladislav. I bow. Explain, please, about the yeomen - it always seemed to me that they were archers. The stakes dug in front of the position and the "longbow" in their hands three times helped them crumble the "flower of French chivalry".

However, our first semi-regular archers would also be armed with reeds (a subspecies of axes, halberds).

In the walking cities, the archers stood well. After Konotop retreated in an organized manner.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Good morning Nicholas! I wrote about the most effective infantry formations. Yeomen were essentially infantry, but with ranged weapons (longbows). In the ranks they were covered by halberdiers or even dismounted knights. Stakes, however, are also weapons. The Black Prince forced his infantry to carry stakes. In front of Agincourt, he even hanged someone for walking without stakes.

[Pane Kohanku]

In front of Agincourt, he even hanged someone for walking without stakes.

I completely believe!

In the ranks they were covered by halberdiers or even dismounted knights.

Yes, yes. It's like that.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

In fact, if you dig deeper, then there has never been a pure formation of pikemen, spearmen, halberdiers and others like them. Even the classic Macedonian phalanxes were armed with spears only from rows 1 to 8, the rest with 8 swords. The famous legions of the manipular (before Marik's reforms) system did not even consist of three or four ranks: the first - in the loose formation of velites with darts, the second - hastati with pills and gladius, the third - principles with pilums and gladius and the fourth - terraria with spears and gladius. Only the Spartan hoplite phalanx was armed most uniformly.

[Pane Kohanku]

and the fourth - terraria with spears and gladius

I read somewhere that there was an expression: "Go to the triarii." Like, a tense moment of the battle, when the third line of the legion was already going into battle. But that's up to Maria.
Invincible for 150 years was the Spanish third, before Rocroix. Then linear tactics came to replace it.

[Mikhail3]

The bow that poses a real danger on the battlefield is, in modern terms, a three-year-old BMW. Approximately so much labor and money should be spent by an archery master to make a good combat bow. 3-5 years to dry the boards, it all starts with this ... Sling is good for knocking down wood grouse. And in battle you need a guaranteed defeat, or something close to it, so the "bullet" for the sling needs lead. Otherwise, you are more likely to anger the enemy than kill him) The Balearic slingers were good, but they did not throw stones at all.
So cudgel, she wow!)

[Daddy pig]

Thank you Captain Obviousness for the last paragraph)))

As for the above, let me disagree:
A bow and sling are more difficult tools to master than a mace / club / stick with something heavy, and even a spear is most likely easier to master than learning how to dreamily use weapons and a bow.
If they were an "ideal weapon", then the other would simply not exist, as unnecessary.
And so, a bow and a sling is a "different" weapon, which does not surpass and does not cancel clubs and spears, but complements.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

With all due respect, see my first comment on the article.
On average, it is believed that in order to master the bow, an infantryman needs from 10 to 15 years, a rider is all 20. A sling - from 3 to 5 years. It is clear that training for the mass army began in childhood.
However, the principle "every man is a warrior" took place only in a tribal society. Hence the triumph of the Germans, Slavs, Ugrians and Mongols! In other best cases - it is - "every citizen - serves." Examples: Elianist state policies, early Rome. Next - a mercenary army: late Rome, etc.
But in general, the main thing is different, each army must be balanced.

[Daddy pig]

Yes, of course, the army must be balanced .. fed, watered, dressed, shod, delivered to the battlefield, and replaced on time. These are things that are obvious to everyone (except for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).
But I wonder how long it takes on average to learn how to use a spear / ax / mace?
I assume not 5 or 10 years, but 5-7 days (now we are talking about combat, not individual Shaolin waving).
At the same time, the effectiveness is obvious.
In general, this is a stupid argument, trying to figure out which is cooler than a bow or club. You are right, everything is good in capable hands and with the right organization.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

But I wonder how long it takes on average to learn how to use a spear / ax / mace?

I will find it difficult to answer in terms of ancient and medieval skills and abilities. You will definitely not like Roman calculations on the manipulative system. Since the transition from a snotty gast to a veteran terrarium took years. However, the legion before Maria is irregulars (conscripts who were even tied to qualifications).
Modern drill training is taught for three months. Probably the skills of actions in simple phalanxes, a shield wall, etc. Will take up to six months. In the Pontic kingdom, hoplites were trained for a year, but Pontus lost to Rome, with its professional army.

[stankow]

Well, well, 10-15 years for an archer!? Higher military and three academies? For 10 years, the pilot takes the 1st class on a jet!

[Eule]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

On average, it takes 10 to 15 years for an infantryman to master a bow.

Very fabulous number!
A year before the first category in the bare-bow, (naked bow like a yeoman), with sufficient physical strength. Another thing is that if you make a children's bow at the age of 8, then by 18 there will be 10 years of training.
But if a 12-year-old is given a pistol, first pneumatic, and allowed to train as much as he wants, but at least an hour a day, then he will also be an intuitive shooter from everything that has a handle and a trigger for the call. But the armies of the Russian Federation do not need such, judging by Russian laws. And then suddenly an official offhand from a pistol with 50m straight into a fat face?

[ycuce234-san]

"Indian maces were very different from European ones. Firstly, many had a guard on the handle, similar to a saber, and were two-handed, and secondly, in their design: it was very intricate. Museum in Delhi."

The standard of living of the owners of Indian maces was noticeably higher than their counterparts from Europe and the situation was more peaceful, which is why they bothered so much. The Euromace looks like a "weapon of the difficult military years."

By the way, I thought that the heroes of the famous epic about Middle-earth should also actively use clubs and the like, although its author did not pay attention to this.

[Aaron Zawi]

Excellent article. Many thanks to the author for the work.

[nickname7]

the hotter the climate, the less armor

Yes, in the tropics, their dress code is a naked torso, but the status was shown by the amount of gold on their naked body, the Maharajas hung whole kilograms of gold jewelry on themselves.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Bingo

Hindus would not be Hindus if they hadn’t buckled with clubs)

What about the Indians? What about clubs? When there is a paddle! Paddle is our Everything! Evdokimov once spoke about the combat use of the oar ("The muzzle is red!") ... But that's not all! What importance the paddle has acquired in practical self-defense is evidenced by the fact that in the most remote places of city parks, not so long ago, the sculpture "Girl with an oar" could be found everywhere! The effectiveness of the oar was such that recognized Okinawa martial arts masters paid attention to it! Thus, the Okinawan Eku-jutsu (Eku-Okinawa paddle!) was born!

ESC
An alternative to the ecu (oar) in our country is the wonderful weapon "spring from a Belarus tractor"!

If you believe the stories of experienced people, super-trained Mi-6 agents were easily cut down with this weapon! But that's not all! In various schools of martial arts, considerable attention is paid to the use of improvised items! There are a large number of them in the arsenal! I decided to pay attention to only a few! It's a frying pan...

AND ROCK!

From the illustrations, you can see that such weapons have become widespread due to historical reasons among the female, but not only!

Despite the simplicity of such a weapon, a huge number of men died from it, literally and figuratively! What the criminal chronicles of "all times and peoples" testify to!

[Korsar4]

And this is just the beginning of the photo gallery. There is room to expand.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Korsar4

And this is just the beginning of the photo gallery. There is a place to turn around

I agree ! There will be a lot of material! You can write a whole article ... big and interesting!

[kalibr]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Vladimir

Dear Vladimir! Write!!! And I will publish ... But the volume is not more than 12 thousand characters, A4 format, size 14, 1,5 spaces between lines.

[Nikolaevich I]

I am very grateful for the attention shown to my "creativity"! I will answer you in a personal ... there is a reason!

[kalibr]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

there is a reason !

I'm waiting!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: kalibr

Dear Vladimir! Write!!! .

And here's another kanabo from Yamato

It can be said that the kanabo was considered a weapon demons, but the samurai also used it.
I also remembered clubs taiho (Maori people)

[cat Rusich]

There are weapons in Japan tetsubo

tetsubo - iron club tetsubojutsu - "tetsubo art" - the ability to fight tetsubo.
Kanabo - weapon they (demons) - kanabo was made from hardwood.
"How to give kanabo Oni" = "To make the strong stronger" Japanese proverb.

[kalibr]

Quote: cat Rusich

Japanese proverb.

I had a cycle on Japanese weapons here, but for a long time. There was also about clubs.

[Catfish]

Recommended means of protection from improvised items.

Good afternoon, Nikolaich!

[Nikolaevich I]

I wish you good health, Konstantin! Regarding protection ... did you try it yourself or did your neighbor tell you? If you are a neighbor, then you need to try it yourself ... then tell us about your impressions ... when you regain consciousness!

[Catfish]

then you have to try it yourself ... tell me about your impressions later.

Well, it's up to you to experiment. My wife uses kitchen utensils for their intended purpose, she just cooks delicious food.

[Aviator_]

What about the Indians? What about clubs? When there is a paddle! Paddle is our Everything!

Tourists from Italy, resting on the Volga, imprudently called the boatman Vasily a gondolier, for which they were mercilessly beaten with an oar.

[Baker]

wonderful weapon "spring from tractor Belarus"!

And everything would be fine, only there are no springs in the Belarus tractor.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Baker

only here in the tractor "Belarus" there are no springs.

Maybe, maybe ... but this spring, anyway, is from a tractor!

[Baker]

Maybe, maybe ... but this spring, anyway, from a tractor

Well, if you think the 1964 Ford Falcon is a tractor...

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, why do you always offend me? That "Belarus" was taken away ... then a tractor! Leave the spring at least, I hope? And the "spring from the Belarus tractor" is still a "classic"!

[Bingo]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

What about the Indians? What about clubs? When there is a paddle!

[Pane Kohanku]

I decided to pay attention to only a few! It's a frying pan...

Dear Vladimir, I immediately remember an anecdote, that the most dangerous wife is the one who plays tennis. Plot: You come home, it means, at three o'clock in the morning, drunk, rumpled, with traces of foundation and red hair on the collar, trying to chaotically explain this by the fact that in front of the entrance you just suddenly (!) had a fight with a clown ... But she doesn’t even want to listen to you .. and she has a frying pan in her hands ... and her serve in tennis is too well worked out ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

belay And she doesn't even want to listen to you.. and she has a frying pan in her hands... and her serve in tennis is too well worked out... wassat

Then the doorbell rang. Who is the police there? They brought a clown to identify with whom your husband had a fight at the entrance!

[Pane Kohanku]

They brought a clown to identify with whom your husband had a fight at the entrance!

But this, Vladislav - already a class! Just waste! Thanks, have fun!

[Eule]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

who plays tennis.

It's true. I remember how I broke up a drunken fight at night (they prevented my wife from sleeping with swear words). I dug up a dandelion root with a shovel, and with a tennis serve I sent it flying across the street with a shovel. While he was flying, he crouched behind the fence. Struck by a weed in the ear, he fell and stopped beating the second one, who ran away, and there was silence. The wrist then hurt for a couple of days, yet a shovel is not a racket. The wife was very angry that she did not make a video.

[Pane Kohanku]

Struck by a weed in the ear, he fell and stopped beating the second one, who ran away, and there was silence.

You completely stunned the adversary!

[Old electrician]

What would you understand in hand-held non-firearms !!! The most terrible weapon is a fork: two strikes eight holes!

[stankow]

"Paddle" is called SVD. A truly terrible weapon!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: stankow

"Paddle" is called SVD

I know ... and also with a "whip"! I wanted, speaking of the oar, to mention the SVD; but decided: not this time!

[Catfish]

the hotter the climate, the less armor.

But this is true!

[stankow]

And what kind of weapon? Mauser, Mosin, schutser 9 mm?

[stankow]

And with such a "closer examination" even more confused

[stankow]

Photoshop turned out right?
..........

[Catfish]

Photoshop turned out right?

Well, yes, sort of.

[Illanatol]

In single combat, out of formation, the mace can be more effective. Strike techniques are very diverse, unlike a spear. He hit with a spear, missed and ... what will you do? And with a mace, especially with a chain, you can strike from a variety of directions, varying the radius of the blow.
What is called swordsmanship began with a mace, not a sword.
A very effective and therefore long-existing melee weapon. Therefore, it was the mace that became the symbol of supreme power (the scepter of monarchs is the same mace) from the time of ancient Egypt.

[Andrey Moskvin]

During WWI, for trench batons, small massive gears (like the fifth photo) were often taken from equipment. Just inserted and fixed the handle.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

During WWI, for trench batons, small massive gears (like the fifth photo) were often taken from equipment. Just inserted and fixed the handle.

I regret that I can post photos of the collection of clubs of a good friend.
I can only suggest this one:

[depressant]

Vlad, is that a police baton? )))
Have fun in the morning!
The main thing is not to meet her in real life.
Greetings! )))

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: depressant

Vlad, is that a police baton? )))
Have fun in the morning!
The main thing is not to meet her in real life.
Greetings! )))

Rubber stick (PR-90). Having adopted special means in relation to women)))) how to put it mildly - if my subordinate sinks to such a level, he will put a report on the table tomorrow.
Seasoned PPSniki, in principle, even the means of restricting mobility (handcuffs) are not worn on women. Although periodically they write explanations and receive frying pans from their wives for decorations on their faces.
However, it is expressly forbidden to use firearms against women, with a number of exceptions.

[3x3zsave]

Vlad, my friend! You are a good person!
But when ordered, your subordinates will shoot women and children.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

No Anton!
Almost its attention to the police law. From 2011 N3-FZ

[3x3zsave]

Vlad, I see the police on the streets of my beloved city much less often than the National Guard. The trend, though, think about it.

[depressant]

I see the police on the streets of my beloved city much less often than the National Guard

Rosgvardia - only on video. The police - near his house, at the very beginning of the covid history. There was a police car at the entrance. She stood. She shouted something into the loudspeaker and fell silent. My Khrushchev froze until the rustles disappeared. And when the car left an hour later, there was a stir of the residents. Some even crawled out into the street.
The weekly visits of the police to the Five for bribes have completely disappeared. The five, like the neighboring pharmacy, were crushed by the Asians. And now sometimes a huge white car arrives, the one in which the newlyweds are taken to weddings. The inscription is "Patrol". A giant fat Asian climbs out of the marriage cart, surveys the habitat of his compatriots with his master's eye, and, satisfied, leaves.
This is the nearest suburbs.

[Aviator_]

This is the nearest suburbs.

Fryazino? We have only the police on the street, and the National Guard guards the fence around the office. Previously, the fence was guarded by military conscripts.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

I will write only one. The police are a rare beast these days. In a number of divisions, the shortfall reaches half of the payroll.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: 3x3zsave

I see the police on the streets of my beloved city much less often than the National Guard.

Do not forget that in the National Guard now there is both my own non-departmental and permitting, and the devil in a mortar. So it's not surprising
Hello from Vaska

[Catfish]

when ordered, your subordinates will shoot women and children.

It's you in vain, when ordered, the army will do the same very well and the alternative is simple: either you follow the order, or you will "roll around without boots under the fence" with a hole in your head. Remember at least Novocherkassk. In general, you served and should know this.

[Aviator_]

the alternative is simple: either you follow the order, or you will "roll around without boots under the fence" with a hole in your head. Remember at least Novocherkassk.

Remember the autumn of 1993. There, the scum who fired from tanks at the parliament still had to be looked for. But found.

[Catfish]

I remember. Was two steps away. Then they just bought a few carriages, for green ones. Then some of them were captured by militants in Chechnya (I remember the chronicle), I don’t know how they ended up.

[Aviator_]

Captain Rudoy, ​​one of those, was captured by the Chechens in the fall of 1994, there was a photo in the Anpilov newspaper Molniya. And all my classmates who served as officers in the troops at that time (including the Afghans) got drunk all the time in order to have a reason not to answer the calls. When they sobered up, it was all over.

[Catfish]

just got drunk to have an excuse not to return calls.

Not the worst way out of this situation.
I don't want to talk about politics, but, in my opinion, those who were in the White House differed little from those who gave the order to shell it.

[Aviator_]

who were in the White House differed little from those who gave the order to fire on it.

This is an attempt to justify their inaction. Not all were like that.

In the fall of 1993 there was still a choice, then he was gone, the country went into submission to the Washington regional committee.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Rubber stick (PR-90)

From my memory, the name of the manufacturer is "Argument"

[stankow]

The year before last, I got rid of this one. It hurts, but you can live. True, the police did not fully beat. The bruise stood for two weeks. (The case was political, not criminal)

[Korsar4]

Her transformation was also interesting.
For example, in the USA, rosewood clubs were first used, but they cracked. Those made from white locust served better. Then they switched to polymers.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

In Britain, wooden

[hohol95]

And in India, the police with wooden "democratizers".

[depressant]

They also travel by train in India. Not "in", but ON. Or outside, on the side. Lots of tragic videos. The use of wooden batons was never shown. A very strange country.

[Korsar4]

I have a master's student from India. Close to the Tamils. Very interesting and musical. Extremely idiosyncratic.

[Aviator_]

I spoke with a student from Vietnam. To the question - which tea is better - black or green, he replied that it is best fresh, when the leaves had just been plucked from the bush.

[Korsar4]

And mine is upset about the tea plantations, because of which they reduce the rainforests. At the same time, he drinks tea, but grieves. Ivan-tea was very happy.

[Aviator_]

And mine is upset about the tea plantations, because of which they reduce the rainforests.

He probably likes to wander at dusk through the tropical forest, stuffing various creeping reptiles with his boots. I was in Okinawa 8 years ago, so it was not even in my thoughts to go to the forest. He is very much an amateur there.

[hohol95]

Type in the request "Baton of the Indian policeman" and you will see a lot of photos.
Their sticks are even longer...

[Daddy pig]

I have been working with Indians for a couple of years now. Yes, there are peculiar habits and traditions.
But, interestingly, they are directly proud of their country:
In economics, they will soon lose their eternal rival: China
Resolved (without a direct military conflict!!!) their main terrorist threat in the form of Pakistan (by economic methods)
Almost completely abandoned the purchase of weapons in the Russian Federation and are doing their own
Like many other things, they headed for complete independence, developing their production. First of all, plastic.
All (!) Civil servants receive free housing (well, or under some kind of program from the state)

The government of the Russian Federation has someone to look up to and what it strives for ...

[kalibr]

Quote: hohol95

And in India, the police with wooden "democratizers".

Bamboo sticks with a metal tip.

[Korsar4]

Very interesting - what kind of tree?

[Mikhail3]

Most likely birch - cheap and cheerful. But the main thing, of course, is the lead filling)

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Mikhail3

Most likely birch - cheap and cheerful. But the main thing, of course, is the lead filling)

I am writing from memory.
The first clubs of the London policemen were made of bamboo, then from the third quarter of the century before last they were made of ironwood. Contemporary rosewood. Although I personally held rosewood in my hands. True, I don’t know if this is a real police baton or a mock-up. The London peace officer will never give up his regular baton; like a cap, it is issued once for the entire period of service.

[Korsar4]

Also, from the photo, I would have thought of rosewood or something from other types of “red work”. But so, of course, only guessing on the coffee grounds.

[hohol95]

Oorfene Juice carved his GENERAL from POLISANDER!
Privates were made of pine, corporals of mahogany.

[Pane Kohanku]

Oorfene Juice carved his GENERAL from POLISANDER!

And then Lan Pirot became a dance teacher!

[hohol95]

Became. But sometimes he took his Blockheads to Special Operations!!! And in the last book, they attacked the alien base!
Using mirror shields against alien blasters.

[Pane Kohanku]

And in the last book, they attacked the alien base!

Seriously?? I've only read the first two books... How boring my life is!

[hohol95]

Total 6 books.
I read that Volkov reworked the last one three times.

[Pane Kohanku]

I read that Volkov reworked the last one three times.

I read somewhere on some dubious resource that there is an opinion that Volkov did not write the last books, but others did it for him ...

[hohol95]

Throwing a "ram" at a long-dead Soviet writer is easier and safer.

[Pane Kohanku]

Throwing a "ram" at a long-dead Soviet writer is easier and safer.

Perhaps so, Alex. What I bought, I sold.

[hohol95]

It was the last book that he, being seriously ill, dictated.
Perhaps it was recycled after his death. But it's the last one. He revised the first book himself. The 1939 edition differs from the post-war edition.

[Bolt cutter]

still used wooden

Already, yes, telescopic with a weighted knob. And for dispersal of crowds - rubber.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

still used wooden

Already, yes, telescopic with a weighted knob. And for dispersal of crowds - rubber.

Telescopic British saw back in 1999. A terrible thing, she kills a man like spitting and grinding.
We have cold weapons.

[Bolt cutter]

We have cold weapons

Here too. But to detain an illegal Albanian with this canoe, who is often armed with a pistol, I would ... be careful, or something. I have a friend in London who is a policeman. He says you get used to taking unnecessary risks.

[hohol95]

A long time ago they showed the English Seyal "Flying" (Sweeney). So there their "operas" were not supposed to have weapons ...

[Bolt cutter]

their "operas" were not supposed to have weapons.

It is possible (for some it is necessary) to get certified and get a service weapon, but this is very dreary. Again, according to the story of a drinking companion.

[hohol95]

So the series is old. 70s or early 80s!
I recently learned that in the Imperial Japanese Army, officers bought "pistols" for themselves.
How was it for the British?
Did they give them revolvers or did they buy them themselves?

[Bolt cutter]

They were given revolvers.

It was revolvers that were issued until 1969, until they were removed from service. And it was not forbidden to buy your own pistol until they stopped selling them, as far as I know. The same Mauser Churchill is his personal. By the way, he did not register it in the 20s, when the law required it.

[hohol95]

And it turns out that the Japanese were given only a sword or a saber ...
We bought the pistol ourselves.

[Bolt cutter]

it turns out that the Japanese were given only a sword or a saber.

Moreover, as the Japanese themselves complained, they were of extremely poor quality, so they preferred to buy them themselves.

[hohol95]

So they did not rely on rifles for everyone.
Only a bayonet and that's it!

[Pane Kohanku]

I regret that I can post photos of the collection of clubs of a good friend.

And when we were studying, we had PR-73 in outfits. Heavy, like a samurai sword. During the briefing, we were categorically forbidden to recalculate the fence grate for her in winter - she could break off. Well, when you walk along the fence, you take out a baton and lead along the reinforcement. A cadet is such an entity that breaks the unbreakable, moreover, out of stupidity.

[vladcub]

Comrades, I apologize, mood .... In short, this material could be in "Armament", but here V. O is not to blame

[kalibr]

Quote: vladcub

this material could be in "Armament"

Isn't it all the same, Svyatoslav, where to read? It would be something to read...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Well, the namesake is at least not in opinion, otherwise a good half of the members of the forum missed Vyacheslav's work.
Yes, thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich!

[vladcub]

Namesake, good health, how is the barn protection service?
I see that there is still time to look at the site.
Regarding "Opinion" I agree: I rarely go there, much less go into analytics. And there are many

[lisikat2]

"rarely go" I generally do not look into "Analytics"
I have an idea: to propose to the site management: Vyacheslav Olegovich, put it on "Armament", Instruct Roman: "Opinion" he is a good polemicist and there will be: "like a fish in water."
Valery will manage with "History", "Analitiu" Polonsky entrusted.
Then these sections will be interesting and "competitive"

[kalibr]

Quote from lisikat2

"History"

I also write stories... And I quickly get tired of writing about one thing.

[vladcub]

Q. Oh, hello. There is no arguing with you here.

[3x3zsave]

"During the period from 1990 to 1999, several million baseball bats and several dozen baseballs were sold in Russia."
Goddendag, Orthodox!

[depressant]

From the Orthodox - guten morgen! )))
What is this dangerous thing in the first picture? Extremely interested in the obvious practicality )))

[3x3zsave]

And to you, shalom, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
And this is the same "baseball bat" with which the Flemings killed the French during the "Brugs Matins" and a little later, at Courtrai. Its name, this device received from the shibboleth, which distinguished the Fleming from the Frenchman.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

I will smile comrades!
Being on an internship, he did not like the days of discos and seeing off to the army. As the youngest, they always put on duty. The punks always fought at the Saturday disco. Moreover, the following was practiced - lovers of massacre came with two things, a fanfuriik of alcohol and a willow drain. They were not allowed into the room with one or the other, so everything was hidden in secluded places near the front or black entrance. To drink and fill each other's faces, they went to "smoke" on the street. One on one they fought with their fists, if two against one, the latter, like a boy, had the right to fight back with a jerk. For carrying a knife or brass knuckles could break a hand. If everything is serious, then they went to a cold spring, they even fought with chains there. The police were called only if they started to fight in the club. Upon arrival, as the smallest one, I was instructed to throw out all the sticks near the entrance in order to prevent excesses. Hooligans took it for granted. And they even said thank you that they didn’t beat their stash with alcohol. However, more than once or twice, on the next working day, some gopnik met me and began to whine - “comrade boss, remember where you threw my wand? She has a handle wrapped in red electrical tape. Sometimes I remember, sometimes not. However, for this reason, I was denied access to my native disco, I had to travel to neighboring towns and villages. But that's another story.

[kalibr]

There is a manuscript of the "Psalter" of Queen Mary, which depicts exactly the same bat, but with a spike, like that of a godendak.

[3x3zsave]

"Picture to the studio", Vyacheslav Olegovich!
And then we will understand what is depicted on it.

[kalibr]

Quote: 3x3zsave

"Picture in the studio",

You have to search, Anton. And I have no time. I finish one book and immediately start another.

[kalibr]

Quote: 3x3zsave

"Picture in the studio"

There you are! Only memory failed again - this is: Holkham Bible, 1327-1335, London, England, Posner Memorial Collection

[3x3zsave]

Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
Goddendag is, only very "professional", the headband is all-metal.

[Pane Kohanku]

Goddendag is, only very "professional", the headband is all-metal.

How do you know all this, Anton? The minstrel knight's weapon is a lute! To the extreme, the guitar!

[3x3zsave]

How do you know all this, Anton?
Details Kolya. I would make a good investigator.

[Pane Kohanku]

Details Kolya. I would make a good investigator.

No, you are well versed in the Middle Ages. And you know how to find data.
Special thanks to you for the books that you gave me. Is this gold!

[3x3zsave]

No. I can hear and see what is lost in the urban "arrangement". Do you want us to experiment? We will call Michael an expert.

[Pane Kohanku]

Do you want us to experiment? We will call Michael an expert.

Fine, if the experiment does not personally disgrace me. Good! Will you take a guitar?

[3x3zsave]

What? Fuck? guitar?
The only musical instrument I know how to play is a comb with a paper strip.

[Pane Kohanku]

The only musical instrument I know how to play is a comb with a paper strip.

If you can play Eric Clapton on it, it will be chic!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: 3x3zsave

on which I can play is a comb with a paper strip.

I envy I'm only on the nerves and on the ribs, the one that was higher

[depressant]

like a godendak.

That's how they said "godendak", so I immediately remembered - not only the once surprised association "good afternoon", but also the circumstances of "law enforcement". It was good, as they would say now, kneading.

[3x3zsave]

"Zames" was shitty. As a result, the Flamadians lost, unlike the Sicilians.

[lisikat2]

"several million baseball bats" - for two reasons: 1) a convenient tool in a fight
2) the influence of American detectives and Hollywood.
I'm not "Vera militarist", but I also like: Prater, Chase. Sometimes I wonder: why are they so popular?

[3x3zsave]

My respect, Catherine! I read your comments and wonder how much the generational change period has been reduced.

[Pane Kohanku]

several million baseball bats have been sold

In November 2009, he received a bat in the legs. Scar still. However, the thing is dangerous.

[Tests]

In the Russian Navy, even today, there is not a big mace an important weapon in the life of a submariner. On the nuclear submarine "Dmitry Donskoy" during the first dive at the ceremony "Initiation into Submariners", after drinking outboard water from the ceiling, the first-timer (it does not matter the sailor, midshipman, officer, representative of industry) kisses the mace suspended in the central mace, and not the sledgehammer smeared with grease, as on other submarines. "Donskoy" is a large boat, it has, in addition to a gym and a sauna, which TV people often showed, a small museum dedicated to the Battle of Kulikovo with samples of weapons.

[Aviator_]

kisses a mace suspended in the central one, and not a sledgehammer smeared with grease, as on other submarines. "Don"

Here the Ukrainian submarine fleet did not take place, otherwise they would smear the ritual mace with lard (most likely, cannon).

[Waterways 672]

"Robinson Crusoe" immediately comes to mind, the moment of Friday's delivery to his island. Well, to eat it after cooking at the stake.

“Continuing to look at them through a telescope, I saw that they ran up to the boats, pulled out two people and dragged them to the fire. Apparently, they intended to kill them.
Until this moment, the unfortunates must have been lying in boats, bound hand and foot. One of them was instantly knocked down. He was probably struck on the head with a club or a wooden sword, that common weapon of savages; "

And from ours, it's "Three heroes" of course. The armament of Ilya Muromets corresponds.

[Tests]

3x3zsave (anton), dear, a couple of years ago my wife and I came to Moscow to visit our eldest daughter. In the evening, my son-in-law suggested taking a walk in the parks near the Moscow River. We got to Voroshilovsky Park, we were overtaken by the tops of long-legged girls aged 16-17, in T-shirts and short shorts, sneakers with reflective inserts, as usual, some in headphones flashing LEDs, with backpacks behind their backs, Chinese mi-mi of various colors are strapped to the backpacks - bears, rabbits, dogs, cats, pigs, plastic protective helmets with steel masks. And all these adorables have 3-4 baseball bats sticking out of their backpacks. It turns out that we have reached the baseball stadium Russtar Arena. I watched live for the first time what beats were conceived for, girls with beats are unusual, exotic, erotic...

[3x3zsave]

Hello, colleague!
Well, what can I say ... This is such a cheerleading today ... And before it was like this:

[Aviator_]

And before it was like this:

Who forgot - panicles in the hands of cheerleaders are called pipidastras.

[Bolt cutter]

panicles in the hands of cheerleaders are called pipidastra

They are called pompoms (eng. Pom-pom).

[Aviator_]

They are called pompoms (eng. Pom-pom).

It's in the UK. The Americans have pipidastra. Yes, and it sounds better in Russian.

[Bolt cutter]

It's in the UK. Americans

It was in the USA that they began to be used for dancing, and, accordingly, the name is from there.

[Aviator_]

Well, you are closer to them, but "pipidastr" (dust sweeper) in Russian sounds more intriguing.

[3x3zsave]

What an interesting discussion unfolded! Curious how it will end...
My respect, Sergey!

[3x3zsave]

What an interesting fate the term has!
Before the advent of cheerleading, "pom-pom" was the name given to the 37mm Maxim cannon.

[Bolt cutter]

"pom-pom" was the name given to Maxim's 37mm cannon

Dancers from Louisiana were the first to use them, respectively, pom-pom - a modified French pompon - a shaggy spherical decorative element of clothing, a pom-pom.

[3x3zsave]

dancers from Louisiana
Rita Hayward?

[Bolt cutter]

Don't know. Most likely some obscure American high school girls.

[Aviator_]

"pom-pom" was the name given to Maxim's 37mm cannon.

And not a 40mm Beaufort gun?

[Waterways 672]

Pom-pom is Vickers, not Bofors. One of the differences is in the power of the assault rifles, the first has a tape, the second has clips.

[Pane Kohanku]

Who forgot - panicles in the hands of cheerleaders are called pipidastras.

EMNIP, pipidastr is a dust blower, a fetish item for a maid's outfit. Or Barrymore's outfit, whatever you like.

[Bolt cutter]

pipidastra is a dust blower, a fetish item for a maid outfit

Moreover, it appeared relatively recently, when they began to be made not from ostrich or turkey feathers, but from polypropylene (eng. РolyPropylene DUSTER). Other speculations - for fetishists .

[Pane Kohanku]

Other speculations - for fetishists

And why are we now with the Sea Cat - fetishists? For example, I like stockings! Here are stockings, for example, and pipidastr.

[Bolt cutter]

For example, I like stockings!

Packaging is not the point at all. But here to each his own .

[Pane Kohanku]

Packaging is not the point at all. But here to each his own

And the truth is. And the pipidastra is lying around in my old apartment - for some reason I bought it in IKEA in 2012. Never used for any purpose!

[Bolt cutter]

Never used for any purpose!

So all is not lost .

[Pane Kohanku]

So all is not lost

You know, I have a friend, a Kabardian (Anton, Mikhail and Sergey Mikhailov know him), and so, when I invited him to visit fragrant lamb, he replied - "I prefer steaks." Yes, he loves pork more, which he cooks wonderfully, I tasted it. There are pieces of 3-4 cm thick, he pickles in beer, fries, serves with rice. This is truly "to each his own".
Well, stockings... It's just a way of diversity. Since already "opened packaging, and examined contents", speaking allegorically, Alexey.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

"I prefer steaks." yes Yes, he likes pork more, which he cooks wonderfully,

I always thought that beef steak and pork schnitzel?

[Pane Kohanku]

I always thought that beef steak and pork schnitzel?

God knows. In Europe, a thick piece of pork is called a steak. I remember this from my stay on the island of Zakynthos (Greece) in 2019.
There, the gradation of dishes in the cafe is as follows: 1. the cheapest - gyros, an analogue of shawarma, and moussaka - vegetable puff casserole with meat. EMNIP, in 2019 - 3-5 euros. 2. Next comes pork steak - pork steak with a side dish. About 7 euros. Then other dishes. The most expensive - seafood. What's strange... It seems that they live on the island ... But it is not surprising, since the Greeks are pathologically lazy and amoeba-like.
As for the gradation of steak schnitzel, it’s better to ask Alex the Bolt Cutter, he is much more savvy in English matters.

[Bolt cutter]

About the gradation steak schnitzel

Schnitzel is a thin, beaten and boned piece of pork, almost a ready-made dish. But the pieces of pork, thickly sliced ​​​​and ready to cook (but not cooked - only sometimes in the marinade) are quite called pork steaks (English pork steak), while by default, just steak is beef. Something like this.

[Pane Kohanku]

whereas the default is just steak - it's beef. Something like this.

Alexey, thank you very much for enlightening us in the subtleties of the names of dishes in European restaurants. I bought what I sold for.
Thank you, mon cher ami!

[Bolt cutter]

the subtleties of the names of dishes in European restaurants.

It is worth noting that on the menu the same piece of pork is often referred to as chop. But it's the same in fact .

[Pane Kohanku]

It is worth noting that on the menu the same piece of pork is often called chop.

Alexey, I didn’t go to England, I only went to Zakynthos. There it was "pork steak". But fin-n-chips used to be well prepared in the capital city of Kingisepp (the former Yam fortress) in The Collection pub. Not currently available, unfortunately. Apparently, the English historical street food "didn't go" to the locals... But I liked it!
Come to visit my place! We'll show you everything!

[Bolt cutter]

Come to visit my place! We'll show you everything!

There is no air service. And with a transplant, well, it’s very expensive and it will take time. Again, my bank cards are useless for you. But this does not matter - the trouble is that the issuance of visas to citizens of NATO countries has been suspended .

to Zakynthos. There it was "pork steak"

Most likely, such clarity was introduced for English tourists.

[Pane Kohanku]

But this does not matter - the trouble is that the issuance of visas to citizens of NATO countries has been suspended

As for you, I'm sorry.

Most likely, such clarity was introduced for English tourists.

Americans don't go there. They fly in bulk to the Dominican Republic, I saw it. The local "Tagil". And on Zakynthos, the menu uses "correct English words", and not "American English".
According to the experience of the Dominican Republic, I tried to find shrimp (shrimps) on Zakynthos on the menu, but I did not find it. But it turned out that it was necessary to look for the "correct English" word - "prowns". That is, the menu of the Dominican Republic is for Americans, the menu of Zakynthos is written for the owners of "correct English". I didn’t particularly see the English-French there, there were a lot of Poles. In one cafe in a remote village in the middle of the island, the waiter was an Albanian guy who spoke English very well (at least better than me!), We chatted well for five.

[Bolt cutter]

The "correct English" word is "prowns".

The word shrimp is also used here - it refers to small Greenland shrimp, which are inexpensively bought in salads.

Americans don't go there.

They usually have a 2-week vacation, so they, having paid for a transoceanic flight, try to visit 3-4 European capitals at once. So they say - touring Europe.

[Pane Kohanku]

They usually have a 2-week vacation, so they, having paid for a transoceanic flight, try to visit 3-4 European capitals at once. So they say - touring Europe.

Thank you, Alexey, enlightened! Alas, if I know anything about the life of Americans, it is mainly from Alex Brezhnev's blog.

[Tests]

Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav), dear, thank you for the awakened memories. So I want to attach and improve pens to consumer goods.

[Korsar4]

Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

Not far gone from the wooden club. Tops are different - the essence is one. Each of his "Mace" brandishes.

[hohol95]

"Waving his club or tomahawk - the Indian could not make out - the rider struck another predator. And all this was completely silent. The fugitive could not yet determine whether they were friends or enemies, although he noticed that one of them was very thin, the other more massive, The slender one fired his bow again, the other—the wounded man saw it now—hit the wolf with an elastic club.
The elastic club is the Dakota's weapon. So the riders are Dakota. And the Dakota are his mortal enemies. There was still hope that he would not be noticed."
Top and Harry is the second book in the Sons of the Big Dipper trilogy.

[Tests]

Aviator_ (Sergey), dear, you are mistaken. Since 1997, the Zaporozhye diesel-electric submarine has been part of the Ukrainian Navy (the Soviet naval flag was raised in 1971 on it). For the first 5-6 years, the Ukrainian boat was repaired by the Russian Navy plant in Sevastopol. After repairs, it was based at Sevastopol. In 2012 and 2013 she went to sea and even under water was tested at full speed. Whether or not there were torpedo firing on it in those years - I don’t know. In 2014, most of the crew went over to the side of the Russian Federation. They planned to make a museum exhibit out of it in Balaklava. The boat is very well deserved, from Kola went to military service in the North Atlantic, Cuba and the Mediterranean Sea.
In general, our submariners are kind people. In the autumn of 2000, immediately after the death of the Kursk, on the nuclear submarine Kazan (still old, which was modernized according to the Axon-2 project, and after cutting into needles, its felling stands in Kazan as a monument in Victory Park) my brother-in-law's wife with another female colleague, they tested the SAC in the seas, commanding in 1 compartment. The men at the institute were all big-headed and handy, then they were about 70 years old, naturally, the doctors did not let them go under water. The girls in the Kandalaksha Bay of the White Sea, during the ceremony of initiation into submariners, were filled with overboard water not to the brim and the grease sledgehammer was allowed not to kiss, so as not to break their lips. The video shows that the girls passed the ceremony with dignity.

[Tests]

Kote pane Kokhanka (Vladislav), dear, did you find Soviet telescopic batons? How are they different from the British?
Dogs on many, even drunk and stoned, have a sobering effect. In 1986, at the very beginning of June, a couple of "tired" boys after a disco in the village of Tsiglomen, on the road between Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk, tried to stop the Ikarus intercity route 531, which carried passengers from the Arkhangelsk Talagi airport to Severodvinsk. The bus drove around them, the guys came up with nothing better than how to launch a stone after them. The following Friday, before the turn from the Arkhangelsk-Severodvinsk highway to Tsiglomen itself, just the first stop, some of the passengers get off and go to the nearest houses, and the main part goes deep into the village, to the Northern Dvina, they put 8 PPSniikov from Severodvinsk after 15-20 meters . At each left leg sat, naturally without a muzzle, a hefty oriental male. Guests were traveling by bus from Arkhangelsk to the locals and to guests from Rikasikha and Severodvinsk. At the final stop, everyone got off at the club, and then a police KAVZ, a Volga, a cameraman in a police uniform defiantly films everyone, next to a couple of police officers in uniform, one has a coal-black German shepherd at his leg and her eyes are kind, kind ... As soon as the disco began, 8 PPSnikov with their animals moved from the highway to the club and stood in a semicircle from the side of the park, where everyone went out to "smoke". The disco somehow calmed down, because visitors on 2 regular buses left for the village of Rikasikha, which is closer to Severodvinsk (the Severodvinsk poultry farm worked there in those years) to a disco in a local recreation center. And the nights are white, it’s easy to film the boarding of vacationers on buses with a movie camera. How the disco in Rikasikha played with the colors of light music and the Pomeranian heroes decided to find out which of them was the power, went out into the street, and there around the recreation center in a semicircle 9 dogs - ears on tops, pink tongues fell out, fangs - oh ... From the recreation center everyone got out quietly on the last bus to Arkhangelsk - the shooting was on, the slightly drunk slowed down, protocols were drawn up for them. The Severodvinsk heroes sat down, under the camera, on the last bus. And at the "5 kilometer" checkpoint, along with border guards, they were met by PPS officers along with inspectors from the IDN ... The next week, again, 8 people with dogs stood on the turn of the Arkhangelsk-Severodvinsk road to Tsiglomen. And everything repeated, almost like a carbon copy ... After that, there was silence at the discos in both Tsiglomeni and Rikasikha for about 5 years.

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Pane Kokhanku (Pane Kokhanku), dear, in the late 80s - early 90s, on the wave of conversion, Sevmash made PR-73 and BR handcuffs for the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Arkhangelsk Region. Stainless steel handcuffs were of high quality, reliable, the bracelets were connected by 2 links of the chain, you won’t bend, you won’t break. The sticks turned out to be soft, they bent strongly, but the rubber never broke in frosts, the chemists of Sevmash picked up the right rubber ... In the early 90s I had a tonfa made of ash to order, just a song.

[Roman Efremov]

If we think about the original meaning of the names, we will see that "club" comes from "stick", that is, just a piece of wood, a club. But the "mace" comes from "cobblestone" - a stick with a stone impaled pommel. After thousands (tens of thousands) of years, the pommel became metal, but the name definitely retained the original essence!

[depressant]

And if you think about the origin of the cane? Is it not visible through the fog of centuries, is there a clumsy stick-beater-attacker looking out from there, then a venerable staff with the same functions, eventually turning into a noble cane of a respectable gentleman, confidently warming an enemy who has turned up in a dark alley with it?
However, no one remembered the cane. But wasn't it transformed into a modern democratizer like "Argument"?
Eh, everyone has already left ... Having dotted the e, they went home in the hope of seeing dreams without clubs, staves and clubs.
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[Bolt cutter]

clumsy stick-beater-assaulter

First of all, most likely, it served to facilitate walking on hilly terrain, allowing you to remove at least part of the load from tired legs and transfer it to the muscles of the torso and arms. Plus, it's practically free.

Hasn't it been transformed into a modern democratizer of the "Argument" type?

A lot of poses and movements that are taught to the carriers / users of democratizers came out of the French sports fight on canes - сanne d'arme. So yes rather than no.

[Roman Efremov]

I am talking about ETYMOLOGY, that is, the history of the origin of the word, name. It is quite obvious that the "cane" is related to the "cane", "reed" is something thin, not very massive (unlike a club, club). The origin of the "staff" is not clear to me, but even here, without a doubt, lies some original concept, which we have already forgotten.

[Michael]

Quote: Roman Efremov

I am talking about ETYMOLOGY, that is, the history of the origin of the word, name. It is quite obvious that the "cane" is related to the "cane", "reed" is something thin, not very massive (unlike a club, club). The origin of the "staff" is not clear to me, but even here, without a doubt, lies some original concept, which we have already forgotten.

"Sokha" - a tool for tillage, "moose" - elk. The "staff" for walking was also originally and probably not just a pole. Leaving a couple of knots at the end, you can hook and pull up a branch with a delicious orange, easily heat a couch from fallen leaves or needles, roll out a hot stone from a fire to fry a locust stuffed with a staff on the fly. And as a weapon no worse, you can not only hit and poke, but also cling and pull-overturn.

[Michael]

Oslop! Reminds me of an old Russian word. Is the club of stoerosovaya also from there? Oak oak? There is strength - no mind? Oak leaves on insignia?

[Gedall]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

The spearman is strong in the ranks. However, the legionnaires of Rome, armed with short pilums and gladiuses, broke all the phalanxes. Including Macedonian.
The most advanced infantry formations of the Middle Ages are English - yeomen, Spanish - thirds, Swiss - battles and German-Brungund - landsknechts. Only the first are armed with ranged weapons, the third with lances, the rest with halberds. However, the 4th rank of the Swiss battles was also armed with halberds.
However, our first semi-regular archers would also be armed with reeds (a subspecies of axes, halberds).

The Spanish thirds included units of arquebusiers and musketeers, and firearms were also centrally used in the battle formations of landsknechts, only the Swiss mercenaries did not use them, for which they paid in the end with a loss of prestige and huge casualties.

[Mekey Iptyshev]

Stone or cobblestone is still the simplest weapon, often seen in fights. In youth, picket fences often suffered in fights, which were quickly "sorted out" by both sides into weapons.
Now, under the influence of cinema, people are waving their arms and legs. In the 80s, from childhood, I remember the rule that it’s good to hit with a fist, but it’s more effective with a stone clutched in your hand.

[stankow]

The year before last, at a demonstration, an experienced and coordinated group of fans of a dozen people clashed with a police platoon. They stood in helmets and shields, also drunk. Man 25. I was surprised how quickly the attackers took the cobblestone, broke it in 1/4 and threw it at the police. Fragments with very sharp edges ... The police had a hard time. It seems that one was easily wounded. The adrenaline is real. They endured for a long time, 1/4 hour. Then they brought up reinforcements, turned on the gas and dispersed all those present ... citizens with sticks. The fans retreated quickly and in an organized manner, ..you will catch up and arrest ... Etc. In a word - boulizhnik - a dangerous weapon!

[Virus-free crown]

Now both were left with only clubs. Both rose above their heads at the same time. Both were of strong oak. ...

How the weapons of the future fourth world war are correctly described

[Illanatol]

Quote: Roman Efremov

The origin of the "staff" is not clear to me, but even here, without a doubt, lies some original concept, which we have already forgotten.

The staff is a stick for movement. The staff and "went" are cognate words. Hence the "plow" - because they go after the plow.

[Eule]

Met the term "farm army" in the meaning workers walking far to the place of work, in some book about the times of Ivan the Terrible, so the version is good. With a staff one and a half height, it is very easy to jump over streams and ditches up to a meter wide, if they have a strong bottom, rest against the bottom like a pole vaulter and jump with all your might.

[Illanatol]

Quote: eule

I met the term "trade army" in the meaning of workers going far to the place of work,

Perhaps everything is simpler in this case. The field army is just a foot army.
Although, perhaps, there were staves.
By the way, the Roman legionnaires also had some kind of sticks, it seems they could even sleep standing up, leaning on them.

[Kerensky]

Clubs and knights were actively used in tournaments. Still relatives. It’s not even an hour when you shut up a second cousin, so the second cousin will be offended ...
The armor of the vanquished is again yours and goes under straightening, and after the ax, hmm, ... under the replacement of the element.
Yes, and in battle, a captured adversary, is a valuable broom. The knights, on the other hand, have unsanitary conditions, you poke with a sword, and he will hoard from sepsis - goodbye ransom!

[Seal]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Similarly, Napoleon's French were met by our archers from the Kalmyks and Bashkirs, and these are the years 1812-1813!

And what is the efficiency? It seems that I have already posted several times an excerpt from the notes of the French General Marbo Jean-Baptiste-Antoine-Marcelin
Read Memoirs of General Baron de Marbeau, Chapter XXIX