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Why are we being persuaded to negotiate with Ukraine

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Why are we being persuaded to negotiate with Ukraine

How interesting it is now to look through the Western media and the statements of Western politicians. It becomes fun how a pack of supposedly leaders of European countries quickly change their shoes in the air, depending on how their owner reacts to this or that event.


By no means do I want to say that the Europeans have completely submitted to the United States. In some issues that are insignificant for Washington, the American president loosens the leash a little more than usual. Just like any "dog lover" walking his dog. It is necessary to create the illusion of freedom of choice.

This is especially noticeable after Russia once again "showed its teeth" and put the Kyiv regime on the brink of an energy collapse. For most Russians and Europeans, this concept is only theoretically familiar. Shutting off electricity, water supply, heating and sewerage, even for a short time, is very painfully perceived by the population.

And when such shutdowns occur massively and for a long time, the life of a modern person turns into hell. What just do not come up with in this situation the people of Kiev. Here and the purchase of gas cylinders, which has already led to several cases of spontaneous explosion of gas equipment. Exactly the same dangers threaten residents of high-rise buildings from the use of household and professional generators.

Ukrainian rocket in Poland is a litmus test of attitude towards Ukrainians


The rockets that Kyiv used to try to discredit Russia played a role. Only this role is not at all what Ukraine planned.

Remember the numerous discussions about Article 5 of the NATO treaty? It seems to be extremely clear. They attacked a NATO country, and immediately received an answer from the whole pack. But, as it turned out, there are nuances.

It is significant to explain the work of this article on the example of a terrorist act in the United States. I think readers will be interested to know about it. Well, think of your own options.

So, no one refuses to comply with Article 5. Indeed, all members of the alliance almost instantly, or rather quickly, began to fulfill it.

But what was this accomplishment? Someone offered to help the Americans with equipment. Someone shared their intelligence regarding the organizations responsible for the attack. And most have tightened control over the movements of potential terrorists in their countries. There was no talk of any military actions of the alliance.

Zelensky's idea is clear. It is also clear why Kyiv went for this provocation. Despite the formidable rhetoric spread by Ukrainian and Western sources, American generals are already openly declaring the impossibility of winning this war. This opinion is also known to Kyiv. And it coincides with the opinion of the Ukrainian General Staff.

That is why Kyiv is acting according to the principle well formulated by the revolutionary poet - "We will fan the world fire on the mountain to all the bourgeoisie." An attack on Polish territory is an attack on NATO territory. This means that the block will automatically start responding. Well, there is logic in this. Unless, of course, you do not recall the example that I wrote about above.

Zelensky believed in his exclusivity. In the importance of Ukraine for the West and its own necessity as the head of this pseudo-state. He did not even understand the obvious hint that he was no longer needed.

Why was the trip to Kherson necessary? A trip to a place where a couple of mortars or one Grad installation is enough to destroy the head of state. 2–3 kilometers for such weapons not distance.

The owners simply openly framed this “head of state” for Russian mines or shells. They even trumpeted about the trip to the whole world. The militant president, vilely murdered by the Russians!.. A beautiful fairy tale that the media would quickly turn into a reality. It is very good that our specialists did not fall for this hook. Now American specialists have added a headache. A beautiful death must be invented again ...

I imagine the panic in Zelensky's office after the Western media announced that the missiles that fell were Ukrainian. Shock? Most likely. After all, everything that Kyiv did before, even if it turned out clumsily, the West immediately declared the intrigues of Moscow, and simply did not recognize any arguments in favor of Russia. Kyiv said, so it's true.

Zelensky was clearly scared. How else to explain his talk about readiness for negotiations? About the fact that it is Moscow that refuses to communicate with Kyiv? Especially these statements look ridiculous against the background of the orders signed by Zelensky. Decrees prohibiting any communication with Russians, at any level! Yes, and his own words about an unshakable position towards Moscow, too.

I think the Ukrainians, including those in the Zelensky team, have already understood that they are being used. What is obvious to us, Ukrainians, who live in a completely different information environment, is quite difficult to understand. So, the brain of a simple Ukrainian "went to pieces." On the one hand, constant defeats at the front, and on the other, a sharp deterioration in the situation around. And a misunderstanding of why NATO does not come to the rescue ...

Why does Washington need all this?


A very valid question. Indeed, why did Washington "hit the Ukrainian president on the stupid head"? We are used to a different US strategy - "yes, this is a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch." Alas, for Kyiv, but... Let's remember what the American generals and the NATO Secretary General said about the possibility of Ukraine's victory. It is here that lies the key to unraveling the behavior of Washington.

Remember the events of World War II? I mean the assassination attempt on Hitler. What was the purpose of this assassination? Remove the Fuhrer and elect a new Chancellor. This would give a chance for some kind of negotiations. Yes, Germany would have lost a lot, but it would have survived as a country. We see something similar today.

The understanding that the collapse of the Ukrainian regime is inevitable led American politicians to decide to start negotiations with Moscow. It is clear that this will be met with great skepticism by Moscow. And here, as an additional incentive, a new president can come forward, ready to sign a peace treaty on Russia's terms.

Theoretically, we agree on this today. Practically any sane person understands that the regrouping of forces, the replenishment of personnel and equipment, which is taking place today, are carried out for a reason. Russia is preparing an offensive operation. And it does not matter where and when it starts. The important thing is that the chances of a successful defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are minimal.

Consequently, with the onset of the offensive, Moscow's demands will be tightened after each success. The West does not even remember that President Putin will retreat somewhere. Tactical retreats, like offensives, are the business of the military, but political retreat is the business of the president.

Now, I think, it is clear why the rhetoric of the US and then the European countries suddenly changed.

What are the prospects?


Will Moscow negotiate?

The question is rather complicated. Predicting the decision of the President of Russia is not easy. One thing is analytical calculations, another thing is knowledge of the situation in such a volume that is known only to a limited circle of people. So, in this case, only versions can be put forward.

It seems to me that Moscow will not negotiate. Too much resource is involved to "share" the victory. I'm not only talking about material and military potential. Although this is quite an important factor. I'm talking about those 300 mobilized men, workers, peasants, teachers, office workers, businessmen and other working people. They are also sons, fathers, husbands, brothers. Each of them.

They, even if they do not have to fight, have the right to win. To see a defeated enemy. For their readiness to die they have such a right. Peace in exchange for victory and the danger that the grandchildren will again have to finish the work that the grandfathers did not finish - a second time cannot be allowed.

Fascism must be destroyed. Take Ukraine, demilitarize and then systematically, slowly, identify and destroy all evil spirits. Punishment must be inevitable...
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  1. Sergey028
    Sergey028 19 November 2022 04: 47
    +12
    Good article. But I think it's overly optimistic. Neither the US nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - too much has already been invested.
    1. RGB
      RGB 19 November 2022 05: 09
      +25
      I disagree with the author for the most part. Too much hatred and cheers for patriotism!
      1. Taimen
        Taimen 19 November 2022 07: 26
        +13
        What "our" politicians are "well done" turns out to be. Zelensky is not touched, who hangs around wherever he wants and receives guests wherever possible. Tomorrow he will want to drive to Moscow. Probably they will lay the red carpet. then they called him a junkie, then Napoleon, then someone else? And he turns out to be an inviolable person for us? These are miracles. Mr. Staver, you recently wrote an article that Kherson would not be surrendered, no, no. Now you put Zelinsky in defense, they say you can’t touch him, otherwise the West is waiting for this. at the beginning of the operation, today "denazification" and "demilitarization" would have already ended. But as we see, now, these words have already gone out of circulation. All you can hear is that negotiations are needed. And this is a conciliatory and comprador policy.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 19 November 2022 09: 06
          +7
          Quote: Taimen
          If this war criminal had been sacked at the beginning of the operation, then today "denazification" and "demilitarization" would have already ended

          Are you serious?
          Maybe you still think that one encephalopath forms the entire overseas agenda?
          The role of the individual has been too exaggerated before, and even now it is inconvenient to even talk about it.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 19 November 2022 09: 08
          +7
          Quote: Taimen
          One can only hear that negotiations are needed. And this is a conciliatory and comprador policy.

          So it’s not just that everyone around suddenly started talking about it. Apparently the situation is close to a stalemate ...
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 19 November 2022 17: 29
          +4
          Quote: Taimen
          If this war criminal had been sacked at the beginning of the operation, then today "denazification" and "demilitarization" would have already ended. But as we see, now these words have already gone out of circulation. All you can hear is that negotiations are needed. And this is a conciliatory and comprador policy .


          there, Zelya did not decide anything and does not decide. He will throw off his hooves and the United States will simply get a new puppet from his theater box in Ukraine.
          Does anyone naively continue to believe that this or that talking head in Ukraine decides something and, having lost it, the United States will say, “Well, everyone is leaving, we lost here?” Are you serious?
          The United States will leave Ukraine only when its potential for waging war with Russia is exhausted.
          The constant stuffing that negotiations are needed only means that the West is well aware that without a respite, which will help Ukraine restore its military potential (bring weapons, train soldiers and pull militants from all over the world), there is a very high chance of its defeat. When Russia not only returns it what she lost following the results of the autumn campaign, but having finally liberated the Donbass, she will enter the operational space.
          For Russia, these negotiations will bring nothing but protracting the conflict and even greater sacrifices, and they will have to decide something with the mobilized. Since this is not a regular army, but civilians who were pulled out of the economy to wage war and afford to keep them just like that without a war in the trenches itself the state can not.
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 19 November 2022 10: 03
        +11
        To negotiations with the so-called. Russia is being swayed by Ukraine by a fifth column led by businessmen with dual citizenship. Such, unfortunately, are the majority in the TOP-20 Russian capitalists. These are shameless, hypocritical, greedy people for whom the Motherland is where their money is.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 19 November 2022 10: 09
          +20
          This is not the fifth column, but the current government of Russia.
        2. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 19 November 2022 11: 24
          +16
          These are shameless, hypocritical, greedy people for whom the Motherland is where their money is.

          The leadership of the country had money, is and will always be, they don’t care about that
          To negotiations with the so-called. The fifth column inclines Russia with Ukraine

          The top leadership of Russia was not going to wage war.

          It was expected that the main centers and territories of the Outskirts would be quickly taken under control, Zelensky would flee. Victory parade in Kyiv. Grandpa thought it was possible

          For 10 months now, grandfather has been looking for an option on how to get out of a difficult situation.

          The people took everything at face value and are waiting for some "victories".

          Those who start CBO understand better than anyone that the game has gone far. In the “real war” that the turbopatriots are calling for, the losses will be such that the situation will get out of control.

          Grandfather still hopes that they will start negotiations with him and allow him to keep part of the occupied regions of Ukraine so that he can sell it as a victory inside the country

          They are looking for options, asking for negotiations through intermediaries. In order to be more accommodating in Kyiv, they hit Ukrainian power plants, the main thing is not to make sudden movements and in no case withdraw troops from everywhere; when everything was done correctly and without a shock effect, the people quite expectedly swallowed the change even of such an object as Kherson
          1. skeptick2
            skeptick2 19 November 2022 11: 40
            +3
            Everything is absolutely correct.
            It is from such comments that there is much more benefit than from Staver's jingoistic articles.
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 19 November 2022 11: 45
          0
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          ..... the fifth column, led by businessmen with dual citizenship. .....

          Slowly, the runaway buffoons come back and crawl through. Someone changed clothes, "changed their minds"
          The doggy is back. The horse means...
          1. Nephilim
            Nephilim 19 November 2022 14: 47
            0
            The doggy is back. The horse means...

            I have always been touched by such comments of certain lumpen nouns addressed to persons who have these nouns in all spatial positions.
            Ksyusha Sobchak received at least 200 rubles a year before leaving, during departure and after arrival. As she drove a Bentley Continental GT Speed, she drives it.
            And the buffoons-reptilians pay her everything. And they will continue to pay. And in order not to bleat too much, they were given the opportunity to write fiery comments.
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Nephilim
                Nephilim 19 November 2022 15: 46
                -1
                Mitya, do not dust. You came into this world as the hero of The Dartz song, and you will leave with him. Who are you and who is Ksyusha? In the Russian trophic chain you are at the very bottom, you are food, a microorganism. And Ksyusha is almost at the very top of the food pyramid. So drag on and don't complain, poor fellow.
                1. ArchiPhil
                  ArchiPhil 19 November 2022 18: 25
                  +9
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  Mitya, do not dust.

                  You shouldn't be like this. It's just in vain. I understand that they are completely different * weight categories *, but in vain. It just looks ugly from the outside.
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  Who are you and who is Ksyusha?

                  And actually, what is this Ksenia Anatolyevna? An eccentric, spoiled, stupid individual who currently has some capital thanks to the name of her father and the grateful "grandfather *". However, like the mother of this person.
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  You came into this world as the hero of The Dartz song, and you will leave with him.

                  Do you mean *The Unknown Soldier*? bully Life is certainly an unfair thing, but most people are born and die with it. Alas.
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  So drag on and don't complain, poor fellow.

                  And again in vain. We live in a very interesting time and no one knows what will happen tomorrow. This is me to the question of * drag and do not grumble *.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 19 November 2022 19: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    ..... In vain you are so. That's just in vain ......

                    Yes, God bless him, Sergey. You know a lot of proverbs on this topic wassat wassat And if I paid attention to all the boors and uncultured, then
                    there wouldn’t be enough time for anything else. What’s funny here, bouncing, but what’s the point? Well, he drowns for Xenia, as if he received something from her? laughing Or crawling, hoping that lol deserve? Or such servile adoration ..... recourse Actually, I have no emotions for those unknown to me. Pay no attention to those hi Sergei, let them jump. Some kind of mover.
                    1. ArchiPhil
                      ArchiPhil 19 November 2022 20: 28
                      +5
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      God bless him, Sergey

                      Break! I'm generally against extremes.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      attention to all boors and uncultured, then

                      Don't cross the line without knowing the person.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Well, he drowns for Xenia, as if he received something from her? Or groveling, hoping to deserve it? Or such servile adoration .....

                      Yes, where did you get it from? Unfortunately, this is reality. From your or my opinion, citizen Sobchak is neither cold nor hot. I personally am simply not interested in her. does not suspect of our existence. But this is already so ... reflections.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Some kind of mover.

                      I would like a more constructive and peaceful * movement *.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2022 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Some kind of mover.

                        I would like a more constructive and peaceful * movement *.

                        Very well written good In fact, Sergey, there are informative, interesting comments and knowledgeable commentators on the site. hi
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 21 November 2022 11: 03
                        0
                        Greetings, Sergey! hi The fact that this Ukrainian with a nickname from Jewish mythology wrote about me and great-power chauvinism is very flattering to me. It’s clear that he likes Russians like Dani Milokhin, who sang the anthem of the dead sad negative By the way, in Jewish mythology ---- the descendants of Cain (who killed his brother) were called such a word
                  2. Nephilim
                    Nephilim 20 November 2022 17: 15
                    -3
                    You shouldn’t be so

                    As the following comments of this individual show - absolutely not in vain.
                    An individual is a completely worthless creature, for about 30 years of being on this planet, who has not been able to create a family, get a profession, leave nothing useful in this world, except for excrement and comments on the VO website. It floats with the flow, like dung on an ice floe during the spring ice drift. . And the use from him is the same - humus.
                    In reality, the existence of such washings is not at all harmless. They serve as the environment in which any infection such as "great-power chauvinism" successfully exists and multiplies.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 November 2022 21: 24
                      -1
                      Quote from Nephilim
                      .... any infection such as "great-power chauvinism" successfully exists and multiplies.

                      Well, of course! As for staffers, youngsters and other Russophobes, vicious haters of Russia ---- the most standard accusations for those living in Russia ---- are great-power chauvinism, totalitarianism, communism, socialism. Hatred of Russia and Russians, anti-Russia is a 400-year-old Western project. And the Ukrainians ---- so, pawns in the war to the last Ukrainian. Oh, and it's hard for them to be on the Russian site. But what to do
                      the elder ordered
                  3. EMMM
                    EMMM 23 November 2022 19: 00
                    0
                    Do not be offended by this NATO bot.
                    I want to say right away that in this chat all nicknames in Latin are not human.
                2. guest
                  guest 21 November 2022 15: 19
                  +1
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  who is Ksyusha?

                  To answer this question, unfortunately, the local rules do not allow.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 November 2022 15: 52
              0
              fellow ha ha ha! Oh sorry!
              Quote from Nephilim
              .... received at least 200 rubles a year before departure, during departure and after arrival ......

              And not only politicians, businessmen, actors who fled, who received other citizenships, but also every petty foreign trash is trying to crawl through. After all, there are more and more anti-Russian sites and trolls. No wonder, haters of Russia. Someone lost count while climbing, like monogenoids.
              1. ArchiPhil
                ArchiPhil 19 November 2022 18: 30
                +3
                Quote: Reptiloid
                After all, more and more anti-Russian sites and trolls

                Oh, Dmitry, all this is very difficult today. And one can easily confuse the usual criticism of the authorities, in most cases completely fair, with accusations of links with the so-called * fifth column *.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 19 November 2022 19: 05
                  0
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  ..... Oh, Dmitry, all this is very difficult today. And you can easily confuse an ordinary one ......

                  Hello Serey! I don't mean it. And the increase in everything Ukrainian on the network, when you open .. their films .... their doctors ..... our St. Petersburg series (mom watches) from Ukrainians ..... That's what
              2. Kosta153
                Kosta153 19 November 2022 22: 20
                +1
                Well ... They are not Russians and not Russians. Citizens of the planet, yours is through the yoke.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 19 November 2022 22: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Kosta153
                  Well ... They are not Russians and not Russians. Citizens of the planet, yours is through the yoke.

                  Scientists make herbariums from poisonous insects. Teaching aids
            3. Former soldier
              Former soldier 20 November 2022 23: 35
              -1
              I have always been touched by such comments of certain lumpen nouns addressed to persons who have these nouns in all spatial positions.
              Ksyusha Sobchak received at least 200 rubles a year before leaving, during departure and after arrival. As she drove a Bentley Continental GT Speed, she drives it.
              And the buffoons-reptilians pay her everything. And they will continue to pay. And in order not to bleat too much, they were given the opportunity to write fiery comments.

              Well, if everything is so beautiful with this ill-mannered person, why did she rush across the Estonian border because of a weak nix with her house manager?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 21 November 2022 00: 46
                -1
                Quote: Former soldier
                ..... why did she rush through the Estonian ....

                Let me guess hi that next to her at that time was some kind of dead organism, which began to pump
                save yourself baby soon, we are yellow-blue, we will help you! otherwise the great-power chauvinists will get you!!
      3. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 19 November 2022 14: 41
        -4
        Quote from RVA
        I disagree with the author for the most part. Too much hatred and cheers for patriotism!

        I agree! "All-propal" mood is clearly not enough! The author did not say a word about the "agreements of the Russian authorities" and "Zelensky's steel balls", but the "sadly patriotic" one is just over the edge!

        Whether it's the article of the local "buffoon"! He pulled the strings and the local puppets twitched their legs, sorry, "the regulars of VO, wise with age."

        In general, nonsense, not an article! No whining, no grumbling, no urging! Moreover, the weather has changed and the exacerbation of seasonal diseases has begun. Old age is not fun!
    2. AAK
      AAK 19 November 2022 12: 23
      +2
      Indeed, some kind of optimism is not kosher ... It was much easier to provide for a partial mobilization of the same 300 thousand, but not in October, but in March, and not to give 80% of the previously occupied territory to dill, for "strengthening negotiating positions" is by no means it looks like just the usual attempts to hang noodles on the ears of the electorate ...
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 19 November 2022 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Sergey028
      Good article. But I think it's overly optimistic. Neither the US nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - too much has already been invested.

      So much the worse for the US and NATO. Political and image losses will be colossal, not to mention economic ones.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 19 November 2022 14: 42
        0
        1. For them to have such losses - for this you need to win first, and not look for constant negotiations.
        Option 2. As the prerequisites for victory begin to take shape, they will stop supporting indicatively and they will say, she didn’t listen well, we stopped supporting, and they were immediately blown away without us, and with us they opposed the whole of Russia, and if from this side, where are the losses?
    4. katarsafebox.com
      katarsafebox.com 19 November 2022 16: 37
      +2
      As soon as spending on maintaining Ukraine begins to exceed the possible profit, it will be thrown without hesitation.
  2. laws70
    laws70 19 November 2022 05: 08
    +9
    Russia is preparing an offensive operation.

    Perhaps, but the initiative is not ours. So far, we are basically leaving, regrouping and holding the defense, but the enemy is advancing and, which is quite natural, is not going to enter into any negotiations.

    As for the situation with Poland, everything is simple here: no one is going to start a nuclear Armageddon because of it, so the States immediately dismissed the possibility that the missile was ours.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 November 2022 06: 05
    +1
    Fascism must be destroyed. Take Ukraine, demilitarize and then systematically, slowly, identify and destroy all evil spirits. Punishment must be inevitable...
    Yes, and it is not compatible with negotiations! request
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 19 November 2022 06: 48
    +9
    Fascism must be destroyed.
    Only in Ukraine? Yes, but why are we being persuaded to negotiate with Ukraine? So it's not clear from the text.
    1. fif21
      fif21 21 November 2022 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Yes, but why are we being persuaded to negotiate with Ukraine?

      I will express my opinion. Having celebrated the victory over the USSR, the West continued its expansion to the East. NATO expansion, color revolutions. NATO ships in the Black Sea, in Sevastopol, Odessa .... The Baltic is almost an inland sea of ​​the EU. RF raw material appendage and colony. Russian thieves withdraw money to the West, more than half of the gold reserves of the Russian Federation in foreign currency. Enough shouting from Fashington and the Russian Federation silently "swallows" Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Iran .... But something went wrong. Putin's Munich speech was not heard. Bandera Ukraine (after the military coup) became a real threat to the Russian Federation. Crimea is ours! Attack on NATO plans. LDNR is being turned into an invitation card to the war for the Russian Federation. SVO has begun. Dreams of naval bases in the Black and Azov Seas are becoming an illusion. Now NATO is trying to save at least what is left. Ukraine, hostile to the Russian Federation, with the prospect of its acceptance into the EU and NATO. That is, with the prospect of war and pressure on the Russian Federation. That's why they are inclined to negotiate. Russia only needs the surrender of Ukraine, otherwise the Russian Federation will collapse, and the puppets of the West in the Kremlin. hi
  5. Raccoon Raccoon
    Raccoon Raccoon 19 November 2022 07: 13
    +2
    As for the Ukrainian missiles... "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" R. J. Hanlon
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 19 November 2022 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      As for the Ukrainian missiles... "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" R. J. Hanlon

      On the other hand, isn't there a malicious intent hiding behind the appearance of stupidity?
    2. Former soldier
      Former soldier 20 November 2022 23: 42
      +1
      As for the Ukrainian missiles... "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" R. J. Hanlon

      Not suitable. In this case, stupid and malicious intent rolled into one.
  6. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 19 November 2022 07: 14
    +1
    No one in the world heard Trump's speech. This is what the rocket did, which ended up on Polish soil. Let cruelty be only where the fighting is going on. To revel in cruelty, sitting on the couch, is the lot of the weak. There will be no negotiations. The author is right.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 19 November 2022 09: 13
      +4
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      To revel in cruelty, sitting on the couch, is the lot of the weak.

      To revel in cruelty is everywhere the lot of the weak. The truly strong will never "revel" in it...
  7. Bingo
    Bingo 19 November 2022 07: 16
    +2
    It is clear that two outcomes are acceptable to the United States - a sluggish war or a truce, not peace. The first option is no longer needed because supplies are being disposed of faster than the West is supplying, and the arsenals of the USSR times have already been liquidated. You can't fight without pants. The second option is unacceptable for the Russian Federation - they will demand a ban on the supply of weapons and control of the Russian Federation over them, and this is unacceptable to the West ...
    So the negotiations are a priori hopeless
  8. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 19 November 2022 07: 37
    0
    "sharing" victory

    You have to win first. And who and what will be considered a victory? The real victory will be the realignment of the brains and the return of the inhabitants of the outskirts spiritually and practically into the body of the Russian people. In fact, this is an epochal task - how many centuries did the Anglo-Saxons destroy and assimilate the Slavs in Europe? We managed to make enemies of the Slavs. If we fail to cope with this task, the brown wave of the most hungry - civilizers - will roll over us, across Russia. Today, there are 2,5 billion who are eagerly looking at Russia, with our 146 million. No negotiations are needed, but actions and deaf protection, normal demography, the economy, and, above all, the national elite.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 19 November 2022 11: 28
      +5
      a brown wave of the hungriest - civilizers - will roll over us, across Russia.
      Are you talking about the EU? Life here is only slightly worse than before, despite all the efforts of Russian journalists to prove and paint the opposite. So it's incredible.
      1. Alexander Ra
        Alexander Ra 20 November 2022 15: 33
        0
        This shaft for months has been a military, economic, ideological impact on the Russian Federation by the unity of Europe and the United States. There is no reason to see the end of this process.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 20 November 2022 20: 53
          0
          No reason
          Loudly announce them hungry yes - yum-yum here in stock and at a low price smile .
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 November 2022 07: 38
    +9
    Alexander. Is this such an unsuccessful joke? Who suddenly wanted to persuade us to negotiate? NATO, or what? Everything suits them, they push off the weapons delay, instead of junk they will buy and make themselves modern weapons that meet the higher requirements of practical use. Wasn’t the Kremlin the first to start singing Lazar about “readiness for negotiations”? And, at the same time, they suddenly stopped declaring the goals of the war, remember “denocification and so on”? Who fit into the scam called the “grain deal” and why? to the layman "that we are open and ready for negotiations" - a kind of "pioneers from politics"! What does the West have to do with it when it comes to the selfish interests of the scoundrel oligarchs? Won vbramoish for the surrender of Kherson received his 30 pieces of silver - 7 billion dollars, he was unfrozen and returned by the "Kremle partners '! So, to look for who really needs and benefits the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine is necessary only in Russia, and not to drag in the West, who wants to fight "to the last living Russian"!
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 19 November 2022 11: 04
      +6
      Why so many questions?
      Just look at the signature in the article - and everything will become clear.
      Alexander Staver is the same person who convinced us that Kherson will never be surrendered, that the Russian army will defend it to the end. Yes, and he was not the only one who sang such songs, there Skomorokhov was in this company, and some others. Then everyone quickly changed their shoes and began to prove with a smart look that the surrender of Kherson was, it turns out, necessary, that everything happened according to plan. As always.
      Therefore, your questions will not be answered. Such articles, stuffed with the purest water of conspiracy theories, their fantasies, desires and Wishlist do not carry any useful information at all.
      Today Staver says "It seems to me that Moscow will not negotiate."
      Tomorrow, when Moscow starts the negotiation process, the same Staver will easily justify its necessity and usefulness for Russia. The full-time propagandist has one reservation - everything is going according to plan, everything was planned that way from the very beginning.
      1. Sergey028
        Sergey028 19 November 2022 13: 02
        0
        Well, Skomorokhov, I definitely would not call a full-time propagandist. And the respected A. Staver thinks too well about the gang of parasitic "capitalists" that are in power in the country, which is why he is mistaken so often.
        1. skeptick2
          skeptick2 19 November 2022 15: 10
          +2
          Partially agree. In Skomorokhov's analyzes, a real assessment of the situation and situation sometimes slips through, in contrast to Staver's fantasies.
          But unfortunately Skomorokhov, apparently, is forced to adhere to the "general line of the party" in many areas. Where to go from the submarine?
  10. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 19 November 2022 08: 33
    0
    I do not think that anyone will persuade us to negotiate. At the moment, no one needs negotiations. Neither the US, nor the EU, nor the former Ukraine, nor Russia. Yes, and there is nothing to put pressure on Russia. Nothing so as not to infringe on their own interests.
    At best, US financial support will decrease slightly, the Democrats can throw a bone to their opponents.
    In fact, the United States has already achieved its strategic goals. And now the US is more profitable victory for Russia. In this case, Europe will buy more weapons from the United States than in the event of a NATO victory over Russia.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 19 November 2022 12: 33
      +2
      So there is nothing to press? Children, wives, etc. Everyone has already been returned, the property has been sold, the accounts have been closed, right?
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  12. Boris55
    Boris55 19 November 2022 09: 18
    -2
    For the first part of the article.
    The author considered only one option: the fall of a Ukrainian missile on the territory of Poland, as a deliberate operation of the Ukrainians (CIA). There are other assumptions that have not been considered:
    - the rocket from old age did not go where it should;
    - Poland turned on the electronic warfare and thereby knocked the missile off the cruise.

    For the second part of the article.
    The goals of the NWO are the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. This can be achieved only with a complete change of the current administration in Ukraine. Who will do it? There are three options:
    - we, by military means, seize the whole of Ukraine and imprison a pro-Russian administration;
    - clan-corporate groupings of Ukraine arrange a coup and sign a surrender;
    - the masters of Ukraine (the United States and the small-shaven ones) pretend to have a change of power and call on us to negotiate on their terms (with the expectation of our fifth column).

    I think the second option suits us better. To make the right decision by the clan-corporate groups of Ukraine, our missiles on their infrastructure will help them.
  13. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 19 November 2022 09: 25
    +11
    Another cheers-patriotic sob. It's just Russia at all corners offers negotiations, and the Ukrainians refuse. And they are just advancing, and we are regrouping and giving up territories that until recently, with pomp, were declared Russian. So don't take the readers as idiots, Mr. Staver.
    And in general - with such an attitude, it would be time for you to storm Avdiivka long ago, and not drown for victory from a computer ...
  14. Vladimir_Vladimirovich4
    Vladimir_Vladimirovich4 19 November 2022 09: 28
    0
    Decline Ukraine only in words. If they really wanted Ukraine to start negotiations, then they would simply, by 10 times, reduce the volume of supplies of weapons, money, and equipment. In the meantime, this is just a game for the public. Like Washington for Peace.
  15. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 19 November 2022 10: 54
    +2
    One smart person said - If my friend thought like me, we would not be friends. In this century, the usual dialogue between people, politicians has disappeared. Only their own opinion is heard everywhere. People are separated from each other by TVs, headphones, pictures on the monitor screen .And the less pleasant or unpleasant dialogue sounds, people don’t even notice that their conversation resembles the voice of a crow. People no longer understand each other. This breeds aggression. What we see on TV. In one phrase, there are only cops around. And about the war in the modern version. We ordinary people can still agree with each other. But what about politicians? Accusations are pouring in from all sides. I do not mean those politicians who do not have their own opinion. They exhale for themselves the words that America dictates to them. When we hear the words that it is not war that suits this one. War only destroys what has been created over many years. And no one has yet been able to build the past. Either it is a copy, or simply nothing.
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 19 November 2022 11: 57
      0
      The marginality of management is a big problem - the strength is not in friendship with partners and businesses, but in our people, and the people cannot be allowed to self-organize. This is a valve for development, a trap of power. The people are paying with their vitality until they finally come to their senses from the pain.
      1. Sergey028
        Sergey028 19 November 2022 13: 06
        +1
        Unfortunately, ANY government tends to dictatorship. And nothing can be done about it - it's like an axiom.
        1. Alexander Ra
          Alexander Ra 21 November 2022 18: 31
          0
          Management and power are not synonymous. Both power and self-management strive for the "dictatorship" of their rules, but this is not the same thing. Power would be considered one of the types of management.
  16. vlad2000
    vlad2000 19 November 2022 11: 29
    +1
    how cute it looks to pull facts by the ears in order to substantiate some fictitious idea of ​​\u30b\uXNUMXbhis own idea. The author clearly knows nothing about the army, history or its driving forces. ) did any of the authors serve in the army? was anyone in an atmosphere of constant stress of waiting for a strike in which the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners are now? plus the poorly trained calculations due to the lack of practice money for the last XNUMX years, and so on. all the problems that have affected the Russian army are five times stronger there there were. plus missiles taken out of storage, as a rule, with expired expiration dates and old modifications. whose guidance systems fail. not everyone. but in technology everywhere the principle is the same. the older the mechanism, the higher the probability of breakdown. and then .... what a provocation to hit an empty field where a tractor happened to be. Moreover, the warhead of the rocket did not explode. Then it was necessary to hit the city or the military airfield. atya. and about the attempt on Hitler in general, laughter. there would have been no truce with Stalin by that time. only surrender. the author simply attracts facts by the ears
  17. Nephilim
    Nephilim 19 November 2022 11: 48
    +6
    Posted by: Alexander Staver

    No comment.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 19 November 2022 12: 35
      +1
      But they are hi "" ""
      1. Nephilim
        Nephilim 19 November 2022 13: 11
        0
        But they are

        To the bride and the mare

        The twelve Chairs
  18. Sadok
    Sadok 19 November 2022 12: 35
    +1
    Fascism must be destroyed.

    do not confuse fascism and Nazism. even here, some Nazism is equated with nationalism.
  19. runway-1
    runway-1 19 November 2022 13: 23
    +1
    It seems to me that Moscow will not negotiate. Too much resource is involved to "share" the victory.
    Very strange. And why, then, are strikes against the infrastructure of Ukraine - not "for coercion to peace" ?! Yes, and statements about readiness for negotiations with its leadership - probably not an accident?!
  20. Igorash
    Igorash 19 November 2022 14: 10
    0
    It's not important why .. but why Putin is leaning towards this .. that's what matters ....
  21. tank64rus
    tank64rus 19 November 2022 14: 29
    +1
    Negotiations with someone with Bandera. Well well. And no one thinks that the West plays on several "chess" boards at the same time. Suppose that negotiations continue further .... Personally, for Zelya and his accomplices, now it is like death, if the Russian Federation receives what it put forward as conditions. Guarantees from Biden to quickly move them to permanent residence in Miami are vague. For us, the fulfillment of the conditions of Ukraine is impossible in any form. I think that even with all the attempts of the oligarchy, that no one will now dare to do something like this. Something like this, if implemented, will equal the mood in society, as in 1904 or 1916. Americans don't like it either. In a country with a huge nuclear arsenal, unrest can lead to a world catastrophe. With them, we will remove the GDP using the support of the oligarchy and the 5th column and install a new Yeltsin so that we can continue the robbery of Russia, as in the 90s. This they do not hide. Will there be something or will it go differently, this is a question. By the way, the return of what was acquired by "overwork" to Abromovich is a signal to the rest of the 5th column about increased pressure on the government. They forgot only one thing, as soon as Russia is gone, their capital will be confiscated again this time forever, and they will always find their own people for positions in the colonial administration. Do not sit down to sip soup with the devil, he will always have a larger spoon.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 19 November 2022 14: 52
      +1
      install a new Yeltsin
      The first 2-3 weeks after the 24th in the British media, this alignment was described as a fait accompli. What is fast in Russia due to the shortage of food and gasoline (yes, they wrote that belay ) there will be a palace coup in the Kremlin, and the hungry Russians on the streets will support it entirely. Khodor or Sisyan was planned for the position of Yeltsin - he is seen here as a people's leader smile . And Chchichvarkin seemed to have a place in his plans.
  22. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 19 November 2022 19: 35
    0
    Ukraine has made so many pigs that it no longer has the right to continue to exist. If there is peace, then on our terms. Without any concessions as a "fraternal people"
  23. sifgame
    sifgame 19 November 2022 21: 39
    +4
    The West is as simple as three kopecks, the capitalists are. This means they lose profits and lose a lot, and if the SVO stops, it will be possible to transfer muddy schemes into non-muddy ones and suck mothers from Russia for longer, starting from the forest and ending with titanium, although I’m sure that they are sucking now, but not as we would like. Well, not for the sake of saving the lives of Ukrainians, and even more so of Russians, they are worried.
  24. Vlad Gor
    Vlad Gor 19 November 2022 21: 54
    0
    We should not fulfill NATO's Wishlist. Russia needs a victory. The negotiations proposed by NATO with Ukraine are the capitulation of the Russian Federation, which will lead in the future to the disappearance of the Russian state. Only a political move can change the situation with Ukraine. The political move of the Russian Federation is the announcement of the Russian Federation that the entire territory of Ukraine, captured by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia. Need a law. In the presence of the Law, the NWO carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
  25. Semenov
    Semenov 20 November 2022 05: 43
    0
    The stated goals of the NWO can also be achieved through negotiations. In Minsk, Russia was not a party, but here it will be, and 300 thousand mobiks will catch Bandera in Russian regions (Kyiv, Lvov, etc.), and not sit in the trenches. Don't settle for less.
  26. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 20 November 2022 10: 04
    +1
    "Why are we being persuaded to negotiate with Ukraine"?????
    Yes, there is no one to "bend". There is a vigorous trade going on. It's all about the "grandmothers", and inappropriately pulling the "grandmother".
  27. Nikodim
    Nikodim 20 November 2022 11: 41
    +1
    Staver defended Kherson, now he will continue the war until victory. It's getting anxious
  28. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 November 2022 13: 39
    +1
    It is not easy to predict the decision of the President of Russia

    Between what we mean (at the everyday level) as "victory" and what we mean as "defeat", there is, unfortunately, a huge "space for maneuver", almost any point on which can be called "victory" by propagandists. Or "defeat", through the mouths of provocateurs.

    Personally, I see a "victory" in the liquidation of Ukraine as a state (hostile to us), with the regional inclusion of most of it in the Russian Federation. A smaller part almost inevitably in such a structure goes to the EU (either as part of Poland, or as a conditionally sovereign state), due to our inability to assimilate this and the frankly pro-European views of the local population.

    If this happens - yes, I would call it a "victory". In the case of a smaller one - and even more so "significantly smaller", we will inevitably have a stage of repeating what is happening, just as BB2 was repeated after peace with Germany in BB1, as the Finns attacked the USSR after the "Soviet-Finnish", just as the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, etc. Questions should be closed and the architecture should be built in such a way that the "wounds would heal" later. Otherwise, peace becomes a truce.

    Until February 24, I was an unequivocal supporter of a peaceful approach to the issue, but after that it’s worth recognizing that, having started the CBO, it is necessary to close the issue so qualitatively that they will not open again, at least in our lifetime. When shooting starts, one action logic is replaced by another logic.
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  30. Plover
    Plover 21 November 2022 15: 20
    0
    And this is not the author who categorically asserted that no one would hand over Kherson? If only everything was not the other way around here, and our "good fellows" in power did not look for ways to "persuade" the opposing side to a negotiation. Otherwise, why is it all about recognizing the Ukrainian government as legitimate, etc., etc.
  31. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 23 November 2022 07: 50
    0
    What are the negotiations with Ukraine????
    In Russia, the Power-hucksters.
    There is a real trade going on. The question is still unanswered: to whom and how much. That's when the liberals and Putin's entourage agree among themselves (on shares), that's when the "Strange Military Operation" will end.
    It is easier for Americans to roll back the "loot" to Putin than to feed a pack of banderlogs.
  32. Sergey39
    Sergey39 23 November 2022 09: 43
    0
    If we go to negotiations and do not bring the matter to an end, then we will receive a blow from the unfinished beast, when it licks its wounds and the joint symbiosis of BanderoNATO will strike Us!
    The collective West openly says that their goal is the destruction of our statehood!!!