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Brazilian expert: Many NATO intelligence specialists are suspicious of the implemented initiative on Kherson by General Surovikin

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Brazilian expert: Many NATO intelligence specialists are suspicious of the implemented initiative on Kherson by General Surovikin

For military professionals, it is obvious that the vanguard grouping of troops, cut off from the rear by an insurmountable water barrier after the destruction of all crossings by the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the past three months, would be doomed to destruction. The only way to save the lives of soldiers was to withdraw troops to the left bank of the Dnieper, which General Surovikin did on the orders of Shoigu on the air. The decision of the military-political leadership of Russia, to put it mildly, was not approved by all Russians. However, this point of view is shared by the Brazilian expert Pepe Escobar, known as an expert in the field of American geopolitics. According to him, "leaving the right bank of the Dnieper to establish a line of defense on the left bank may be a matter of common military sense." He draws attention to how ambiguously the West perceived the abandonment of the right bank of the Kherson region by the Russians:


It is significant that a large number of NATO intelligence professionals, from analysts to retired generals, are suspicious of the implemented initiative of General Armageddon (as Sergey Surovikin is called in the West): they see it as an elaborate trap or, as one French military analyst put it, "operation massive deception", that is, pure Sun Tzu.

The Brazilian expert is confident that the Russians are leaving in order to return, "in parallel to stabilize the front line, and then try to finally 'demilitarize' the Ukrainian offensive, either through negotiations or through carpet bombing."

As for the talks, information about which was leaked to the media at the suggestion of the American side, they have recently been held through National Security Adviser to the US President Jake Sullivan and Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev.

According to Escobar, the "minimalist agreement" supposedly implies Russia's renunciation of claims to Odessa and Kharkov in exchange for Donbass and a freeze on NATO expansion. The demarcation line will run along the Dnieper, and all subsequent conditions will be agreed upon by the parties through the mediation of Saudi Arabia or Turkey within the framework of the so-called "Minsk-3".

The American project also involves the resumption of electricity supplies from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant to Ukraine, which will force Kyiv to stop trying to torpedo the related infrastructure in the form of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and shell the nuclear plant itself. The United States intends to buy Kyiv's consent for $50 billion allocated to restore the destroyed energy infrastructure from frozen Russian assets. And the “icing on the cake” will be the provision of modern air defense systems to Kyiv to at least seem to maintain the balance of power in the region.

“There is no doubt that Moscow will not agree to any of these agreements,” Escobar notes.

Moscow is well aware that Kyiv will not comply with the terms of the agreement. By the way, in Washington itself, according to Escobar, the “coked Zelensky” is not considered, and Sullivan arrived in Kyiv to report on the American project as a fait accompli, and not at all as to start considering this proposal in Kyiv. Hence the silence in this respect of the representatives of the Kyiv regime, the complete lack of activity of the Verkhovna Rada.

Escobar wonders why the Americans, realizing the fragility of their offer, are so desperate to make a deal?
And he answers it:

Because they probably foresee that the next actions of the Russians with the arrival of "General Frost" will finally win the war on Moscow's terms. This will include closing the Polish border with advances from Belarus, and cutting off supply routes weapons the fate of Kyiv will be decided.
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  1. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 19
    +36
    Pure Sun-Vyn, we still lacked the opinion of some Escabar from Brazil, the same to me is a nation of warriors and strategists.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 November 2022 08: 21
      +8
      Quote: Murmur 55
      we still lacked the opinion of some Escabar from Brazil

      guerrilla drug wars go on there all the time. So he knows what he's talking about. Because all the wars in South America are unleashed by the States.
      1. Murmur 55
        Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 25
        +12
        aubolyt678 hi, and in these wars that in Brazil, they also use combat aircraft, armored vehicles, artillery of all sorts? Maybe the same number of fighters are involved in the battles? And most importantly, do they and Ukraine have the same idea of ​​the war itself?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 November 2022 08: 31
          +16
          Quote: Murmur 55
          and in these wars that in Brazil, they also use combat aircraft, armored vehicles, artillery of all sorts?

          no, but they use bribery and betrayal on the same scale
          1. Murmur 55
            Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 49
            +4
            aubolyt678, so bribery and blackmail are used at all times, even effective measures have been worked out against this.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 12 November 2022 09: 45
              +3
              Quote: Murmur 55
              so bribery and blackmail are used at all times

              blackmail is just effective against the morally unstable, the prevention of such is an effective measure. The question is in the criteria and ideology.
          2. vizit.bvngmail.com
            vizit.bvngmail.com 12 November 2022 22: 16
            +13
            “Russians! I now appeal to all Russians, the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. West - a rabid chain dog clings to your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let me do the same to you! ”
        2. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 12 November 2022 08: 46
          +5
          And just waiting for frost to start a counteroffensive
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 12 November 2022 08: 24
      +23
      My dream is that partial servility disappears from the Russian worldview: "What do foreigners write and say about us? Oh, how nice, mmm ..!"
      There is Russia and all the rest. If not, then Russia will shrink.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 12 November 2022 08: 46
        -3
        We don't have any servility. And it wasn't. I work in the port and have seen enough of the Europeans. They really are slaves. Not accustomed to difficulties, accustomed to comfort. Just take a swing at him, he will immediately shrink, close his arms and hysteria. Vile people...
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 12 November 2022 10: 43
          +11
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          They really are slaves. Not accustomed to difficulties, accustomed to comfort.

          Somehow you misunderstand the term "slave". Slave and comfort are rarely compatible things.
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Just take a swing at him, he will immediately shrink, close his arms and hysteria. Vile people...

          Well, yes. You have aggression with swings, and they are the vile people. You probably start to respect a person only after you get hit in the face in response. A-la: "I'm afraid - it means I respect."
        2. N3onMiami
          N3onMiami 12 November 2022 10: 52
          +1
          Only this "vile people" for some reason lives better than us. Standard of living, production, medicine, technology, etc.
          "If you are so smart, why are you so poor?"
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 12 November 2022 11: 40
            +5
            Quote from N3onMiami
            "If you are so smart, why are you so poor?"

            He didn't write "smart". He meant strong. And when the power is...
            Reminds me of Gopnik's reasoning about nerds.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 November 2022 11: 19
          -1
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Just take a swing at him, he will immediately shrink, close his arms and hysteria.

          Well, now I have a dream! laughing Where is your port? I want to work there!
        4. ramzay21
          ramzay21 13 November 2022 01: 58
          +5
          Not accustomed to difficulties, accustomed to comfort. Just take a swing at him, he will immediately shrink, close his arms and hysteria. Vile people...

          And you try to go to an American village and take a look at some farmer, your worldview will change immediately. They will sweep away as near Krasnoyarsk, do not hesitate. Not only Russians know how to wave their hands.
          And difficulties. So it's only fools who create difficulties for themselves in order to then heroically overcome them. Living in comfort is much better than living at random and is proud of it.
          1. Sasha Veter
            Sasha Veter 15 November 2022 00: 10
            +1
            Quote: ramzay21
            They will sweep away as near Krasnoyarsk, do not hesitate.


            Please note that kind, intelligent people live near Krasnoyarsk. lol
        5. Letun
          Letun 13 November 2022 09: 45
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          slaves. Not accustomed to difficulties, accustomed to comfort.

          A slave is one who is not accustomed to difficulties, but accustomed to comfort? laughing
          The original idea of ​​slaves winked
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      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 12 November 2022 09: 42
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        My dream is that partial servility disappears from the Russian worldview: "What do foreigners write and say about us?

        To do this, you just need to stop feeling yourself flawed.
      3. Il'nur
        Il'nur 12 November 2022 10: 55
        +2
        and what foreigners write and say about us ....
        There is Russia

        Since the 90s, this has been such servility to the West, at the suggestion of liberals, for whom "the West is everything", they have children, houses, capital there. And now, only recently, they stopped talking about the West: “partners”, they stopped talking, but they didn’t stop counting, “the West is everything” ...
      4. hohohol
        hohohol 12 November 2022 12: 44
        +3
        .... so that partial servility disappears from the Russian worldview: "what do foreigners write and say about us?

        This is all the heavy legacy of the tsarist past, the last emperors were also very interested in this, which ultimately led to the disappearance of the Russian empire. In the new Russia, this is also given a lot of attention, people's lives do not teach anything.
    3. Alixir
      Alixir 12 November 2022 08: 32
      +6
      Apparently Pablo Escobar is the same expert as those who carried out such a plan.
    4. Emergency
      Emergency 12 November 2022 09: 13
      +2
      Yeah. Where are they before us, VO sofas? sad
    5. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 09: 59
      0
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Pure Sun-Vyn, we still lacked the opinion of some Escabar from Brazil, the same to me is a nation of warriors and strategists.

      Do you think your statement is the essence of what is happening?
    6. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 12 November 2022 10: 15
      +2
      Yes, they cover up the departure from Kherson, and the reprisals there have already begun, one might say, insider information. There are also plenty of dolts, I saw them on the anti-Maidan when the Maidan came to us, so there is no need for a special reason to rob, and pro-Ukrainian citizens also fell under the distribution, drugs, then what difference does he have a machine gun.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 12 November 2022 11: 57
        +3
        In my opinion, everyone was taken out, even housing certificates were offered, but they did not want to. Who consciously, and who according to the principle of my hut on the edge. Now get your signature. There are no neutrals in a civil conflict, you are either for those or for these, or you will be beaten by both, unfortunately there is no other way.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 13 November 2022 14: 20
          0
          It happens, say, when the Red Army attacked Denikin in 1919, then a problem happened - mass desertion. When Denikin began to advance in the same year, these deserters came running back.
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    8. Berkut752
      Berkut752 12 November 2022 19: 24
      0
      “Anyone with an IQ greater than a jellyfish knows that Ukraine would not even exist as an independent country if it weren’t for American politicians who supplied them with money even during a period of devastating inflation”
      1. zenion
        zenion 13 November 2022 16: 58
        0
        Everything would be fine if the tree from the forest had not screamed in a frenzy - and now it's every man for himself and fell into a blackout.
  2. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 12 November 2022 08: 19
    +6
    The key word is carpet bombing. the absence of loyal residents, the presence of enemy troops, it will be easier for us.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 12 November 2022 09: 04
      +3
      Quote: aybolyt678
      The key word is carpet bombing.

      Have come, damn it ...
      Some Brazilian expert climbed down from a palm tree and said what we are so embarrassed to say and, moreover, to do, in the Kremlin.
      The Brazilian expert is confident that the Russians are leaving in order to return, "in parallel to stabilize the front line, and then try to finally 'demilitarize' the Ukrainian offensive, either through negotiations or through carpet bombing."
      That's why he is a Brazilian, and not a Voronezh citizen, in order to talk about "negotiations". He is forgiven.
      Only here from Moscow we hear "no negotiations", and everything will end, I don't even want to think how.

      When I ran through the mountains with a machine gun, it was also not so hot, how fun and cloudless it was with us. There were mistakes, there were successes...
      Only now, no one in Moscow sold us, roaming the mountains, for dollars.

      And yes.
      I am by no means a "spoiler". Vice versa. Only now there were more illusions about our leadership on February 24 than today.
      1. Dingo
        Dingo 12 November 2022 09: 53
        0
        Only now, no one in Moscow sold us, roaming the mountains, for dollars.

        Fully agree with you.

        Here is one example of pure coincidence: the oligarch Abramovich was spinning and spinning around Istanbul and Kyiv, and Minsk-3 almost happened, he turned around again - and now the Nazis, "who cannot be released," are already free, on the warm shores, the withdrawal of troops from Kherson, and the police of the island of Jersey (a self-governing territory of Great Britain) declared illegal the searches carried out in April in premises associated with Abramovich and agreed to pay damages and apologize to the billionaire.


        https://3mv.ru/184642-kto-meshaet-voevat-surovikinu.html
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 12 November 2022 10: 17
        -2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Only now there were more illusions about our leadership on February 24 than today.

        But the leadership is no longer quite the same as it was on the 24th, and the trends are different and requests and questions.
  3. AUL
    AUL 12 November 2022 08: 20
    +4
    “There is no doubt that Moscow will not agree to any of these agreements,” Escobar notes.
    This is just the opinion of a certain Escobar.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 12 November 2022 08: 28
      0
      Such opinions are a wagon and a small cart. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine (God forbid) enter the Crimea, these anilitEgi will also write about the distrust of intelligence
      1. Murmur 55
        Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 36
        +5
        dmi-pris hi, so it’s necessary to sweeten the pill with something, the “correct” opinions of all sorts of Brazilians are popping out there. Again, General FROST was remembered (well, or inserted) and if he does not come?! Is it left for us to hope for the weather?
        1. laws70
          laws70 12 November 2022 09: 06
          0
          Again they remembered General Moroz

          Apparently they believe that we have no other competent generals left.
      2. VAGNER
        VAGNER 12 November 2022 08: 37
        -15
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Such opinions are a wagon and a small cart. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine (God forbid) enter the Crimea,

        Well, this is already too much you Dmitry turned down!
        The people of Russia have already perfectly understood what the West and their democracy are and who the "Ukropintsy brothers" really are and what they will do with us and are already doing .. We will not have mercy in any case under any government.
        I am sure the "Stalinist strikes" are still ahead and Surovkin has already taken command and the responsibility is already open.
        GDP is not going to the G-20 gathering and this says a lot. There will be no negotiations
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 42
          0
          VAGNER hi, A trace of Taras was found. S. Yeah, a month ago 90% thought and said the same thing about Kherson, but what now?
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 12 November 2022 10: 18
            +2
            Quote: Murmur 55
            VAGNER hi, A trace of Taras was found. S. Yeah, a month ago 90% thought and said the same thing about Kherson, but what now?

            This is not Wagner, this is Meehan in another reincarnation.
        2. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 12 November 2022 08: 50
          +2
          Didn't you tell us when they were draping from Kharkov that this was a cunning plan to pull dill out of the fortifications, now they will come out and we will cut them all? Then about the steppes in front of Kherson, when there was "Andreevsky bridgehead" now we will drive it into the gut, and we will arrange a cauldron.
          And where are all these boilers?
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 12 November 2022 10: 24
            -1
            The problem is that in front of Kharkov they quite successfully figured out in the steppes of Kherson, there was a frank failure at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and after Kharkov they also figured out, they left something, but in general they inflicted losses, and then bam, and a gift, only they didn’t have time to wrap the holiday decorate.
        3. Dingo
          Dingo 12 November 2022 10: 11
          0
          "Stalin's blows" are yet to come

          You want to say - from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

          A captured serviceman of the 53rd separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian security forces, senior lieutenant, platoon commander Volodymyr Lepikhin said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning an offensive against the Belgorod and Kursk regions in winter. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti.

          https://pnz.ru/life/vsu-v-hersone-ukrainskij-komandir-rasskazal-o-planah-nastupleniya-na-belgorod-i-kursk/
        4. skeptick2
          skeptick2 12 November 2022 11: 31
          +2
          Quote: VAGNER
          GDP is not going to the G-20 gathering and this says a lot. There will be no negotiations

          And what does it specifically say? If possible, in detail, please. I am extremely interested.
          As for the negotiations, Kyiv will be the first to rejoice at their cancellation. For we, Russia, are primarily interested in them. Such information can be extracted from all mass media today.
        5. Dane
          Dane 13 November 2022 09: 16
          +1
          Yeah ... took command ..... what world do you live in? Military operations, i.e., our NWO are based exclusively on political concepts and not on military ones ..... and the GDP DOES NOT go to the g20 gathering so that it doesn’t look stupid at all ..... no one will shake hands with him there .. ... they won’t even take a picture together ...... and certainly not because they don’t want to negotiate ...... they want more ....
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 28
      +2
      AUL hi, so here it’s all the time, some kind of EX or a journalist will say a FAQ and then it’s given out as the opinion of an entire country. Yesterday or the day before yesterday there was an article saying that in ENGLAND they do not believe that the withdrawal from Kherson is not a trap for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but from the article it became clear that this is the opinion of some kind of journalist.
    3. Dimcor
      Dimcor 12 November 2022 09: 04
      +2
      Even a certain Escobar believes in Russia more than local bots posing as Russians.
      1. AUL
        AUL 12 November 2022 09: 13
        +1
        Quote from DimCorvus
        Even a certain Escobar believes in Russia more than local bots issuing himself for the Russians.

        Some local bots issuing they don’t know how to speak Russian, and they don’t write very well, they completely neglect commas! wassat
        1. Dimcor
          Dimcor 12 November 2022 09: 29
          +4
          Yes, there are a lot of different people, it’s only strange why you write about it, although if you scroll through your list of comments, then only on the first page you can find about 10 errors. Or is it different?
          1. AUL
            AUL 12 November 2022 10: 19
            0
            Quote from DimCorvus
            although if you scroll through your list of comments, then only on the first page you can find about 10 errors.

            Let's be more specific here! Point out the errors on the first page of my comments. Otherwise, you turn out to be just a liar and a windbag!
            PS But in this post of yours, you should put a comma before the word "why". And before the word "if" too! lol
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            2. Dimcor
              Dimcor 12 November 2022 14: 16
              +1
              Don't busie.
              In your opinion, you don’t have a hyphen, you forget to put periods - all sorts of -te. And specific errors in words like "affelated". There's a lot of that.
              1. AUL
                AUL 12 November 2022 14: 24
                0
                More specifically, dear! And better in a personal, so as not to clog the site.
      2. Rosemary
        Rosemary 12 November 2022 09: 29
        +1
        Quote from DimCorvus
        Even a certain Escobar believes in Russia more than local bots posing as Russians.

        It makes no sense to pass yourself off as a Russian, since no one is interested in the opinion of a Russian on a Russian site. But if a Russian pretends to be the Brazilian Escobar, then yes, the opinion of the Brazilian on the Russian site is very important, worthy of news and discussion.
      3. VAGNER
        VAGNER 12 November 2022 09: 30
        -8
        Quote from DimCorvus
        Even a certain Escobar believes in Russia more than local bots posing as Russians.

        Well, 200 thousand. The "500s" fled from Russia from mobilization, and they are sitting here howling, when Russia is slammed, everyone is waiting
        So everything is fine! laughing
        They have a holiday of hope, here you get Russia, and it was not in vain that we ran away leaving everything to save our skins on the "Tashkent front"
        1. seamen2
          seamen2 12 November 2022 10: 13
          +1
          why from Russia, my dear? in Russia. one such served in Abkhazia. warmed eggs in the sea. 53 dollars daily received. apart from the rest. with the beginning of the SVO, the contract was quickly terminated. and now he is covering the roofs in Taganrog.
        2. skeptick2
          skeptick2 12 November 2022 11: 35
          0
          Quote: VAGNER
          Well, 200 thousand. "500s" fled from Russia from mobilization

          I love numbers. I always believed that it was oi that were specific and gave credibility to information.
          Wouldn't it be difficult to give a proof for the figure of 200 thousand?
          And then I have, you know, other numbers for some reason.
          1. VAGNER
            VAGNER 12 November 2022 12: 30
            -4
            Rest Tolik .. he needs numbers, well, well
            Fly between planets. How are you on Abba laughing
    4. skeptick2
      skeptick2 12 November 2022 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: AUL
      This is just the opinion of a certain Escobar.

      It's just another throw. The province went to write.
      Have you noticed how messages cascaded down, and which cannot be verified? Fantasies, versions, assumptions... Anything to divert the topic from the surrender of Kherson and sweeten the pill after a shameful departure.
    5. bayard
      bayard 12 November 2022 22: 40
      0
      Quote: AUL
      This is just the opinion of a certain Escobar.

      I think not only.
      I just watched ... a rally with a NOD procession (don't laugh, it's not that funny) where they chanted some kind of song like "Beat Washington with Sarmat". They even dragged a rocket (black with the letters "Sarmat"). In the center of Moscow . With red banners of Victory...
      The confrontation has gone really far, the US military (namely the military, who understand this better than politicians) are very excited, they began consultations with their colleagues from the Russian Federation.
      Now about the essence. If our NVO grouping is preparing an offensive (and such an offensive can begin with the arrival of mobilized fresh forces in the NVO zone - at least 250 thousand with the same number we have in the theater), then it is necessary to determine the main direction of the strike and secure all other directions. Therefore, the evacuation of the Kherson bridgehead looks quite justified, although very unpleasant.
      But it would be very inconvenient for us to develop the offensive from this bridgehead. First of all, due to the complexity of logistics for a grouping of at least 250 - 300 thousand (and less is impossible there). Moreover, the supply of the groupings opposing us there will be as convenient as possible for the enemy.
      So why do we need these difficulties?
      And having gone beyond the Dnieper, we guaranteed ourselves the stability of this front with a very limited outfit of forces.
      So where do you go?
      And just where Escobar pointed out. For our specialists have been talking about this for a long time, the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were afraid of this like fire, and the United States is also striving to prevent this.
      It is easier to hit there, it is more convenient in terms of logistics, immediately cutting off the supply lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Europe. And the rest of the enemy groupings on other fronts will wither away without supplies and will be defeated later.
      It was nothing to carry out the entire previous period. There were simply no troops for this. Now there is.
      And winter is coming.
      The enemy will not be able to withdraw our forces to other fronts now. Nowhere.
      On the Zaporozhye front?
      There will be enough forces liberated from near Kherson.
      But for the Belarusian operation, at least 300 thousand l / s can be freely allocated. Or maybe more.
  4. spn211
    spn211 12 November 2022 08: 23
    +3
    Yes, I think the Ukrainians themselves were shocked by such a multi-move.
  5. Glock-17
    Glock-17 12 November 2022 08: 24
    -2
    That is, we return to the Panther-Wotan line of the Wehrmacht as in 1943.
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  7. parusnik
    parusnik 12 November 2022 08: 31
    +2
    with the arrival of "General Frost" they will finally win the war on Moscow's terms.
    Let's see what General Frost has to say.
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 November 2022 08: 52
      +3
      Frost will be for both Russian and Ukrainian enemies of the USSR. And Putin only recently realized that, it turns out, winter is coming, and urgently ordered to sew a winter uniform for the RA in Belarus, Myanmar, and North Korea.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 November 2022 10: 28
        +2
        They hope for General Frost, so he will come and destroy everything. smile
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 12 November 2022 12: 09
          +3
          aha .. as if it’s not its own frost for the Armed Forces of Ukraine .. they are tea, they didn’t come from Italy .. and Ukrainian frosts are not at all Siberian, and not even Moscow ..
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 12 November 2022 08: 52
      0
      parusnik hi, maybe it’s better to see what our Supreme and General Staff will DO?!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 November 2022 10: 25
        +1
        hi Sometimes, I forget to put emoticons at the end of comments. Now it’s a sin to be ironic. laughing
    3. chimik70
      chimik70 13 November 2022 07: 43
      0
      In Ukraine, with its climate, this "general" will have to wait a long time
      1. Nick2591
        Nick2591 13 November 2022 15: 40
        0
        In the Poltava region in my school years (1959-69), frosts were up to minus 36. The record for Ukraine in the Chernihiv region in 1943 was minus 46. It was cool for the Germans
  8. navycat777
    navycat777 12 November 2022 08: 55
    +1
    Numerous opinions of journalists and generals, showing how smart and shrewd the actions to surrender the city are. In fact, they should neutralize the negative of the inhabitants of the country. With the further conclusion of the new Minsk and presenting it as a victory for the great commander in chief, should legalize the agony of the existing regime, and possibly the country.
    1. Dimcor
      Dimcor 12 November 2022 09: 10
      +1
      A cat addict is a disaster for loved ones. It's been a long time since I've read such a picky cranberry.
  9. stels_07
    stels_07 12 November 2022 09: 03
    +2
    Even most of the Yunarmiya fighters understand what kind of "cunning" is leaving the right bank
  10. laws70
    laws70 12 November 2022 09: 09
    +3
    ..and with the suppression of arms supply routes, the fate of Kyiv will be decided.

    And then to transport titanium to Europe by plane? Well, what a logistical shoulder! No, that won't work..
    1. VPK-65
      VPK-65 12 November 2022 10: 16
      0
      And then to transport titanium to Europe by plane?

      And why does Europe need titanium now?
      task for de-industrialization Europe, the globalists have fulfilled, 9.11 they put an end to it (they can’t do without beautiful dates).
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 November 2022 09: 11
    +6
    This is fantasy, not analysis. All facts from open sources from the first pages. "The border along the Dnieper" is generally nonsense. "East Kyiv" is a utopia.
    The word "why" is heard by everyone. Zaluzhny has been successful and has the ability to strike again in any direction. Even to Donetsk.
    The spells of "our" diplomats have now become even funnier. There is no power behind them.
  12. Hindu
    Hindu 12 November 2022 09: 19
    +2
    For military professionals, obviously ...

    And on February 23, nothing was obvious to professionals??
  13. Hindu
    Hindu 12 November 2022 09: 23
    +6
    Quote: parusnik
    with the arrival of "General Frost" they will finally win the war on Moscow's terms.
    Let's see what General Frost has to say.


    Putin also said to the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "we'll see ..."
    He's probably still watching.
  14. Jean Baptiste
    Jean Baptiste 12 November 2022 09: 38
    0
    Yes, the fact that claims to Odessa were abandoned is obvious, then that all our latest misses are not "cunning money", but the need due to the lack of forces and capabilities is also understandable. The fact that the surrender took place after mobilization indicates that this mobilization not the last, and that the small number of those mobilized is due to the lack of recruitment and maintenance. The contingent in Belarus is unlikely to take part in hostilities (it will act as a buffer so that we do not enter the rear on the territory of Belarus), apparently the goal of the nearest company will be to defeat the enemy on the left side (it seems unlikely due to lack of resources and is still excellent functioning bridges), so until the summer we will most likely be content with tactical successes and wait for the second wave of mobilization to create numerical superiority.
  15. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 12 November 2022 09: 38
    -1
    Fooling yourself is the worst option. Trying to deceive others without opportunities is a waste of time. What happened in Kherson is not a catastrophe, as in Kharkov, but a betrayal that the Russian people will remember forever.
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 November 2022 09: 48
    +1
    It all depends on whether grain and fertilizers will be exported.
    The brightest grain rots in warehouses and factories stand.
    If the grain goes, the conflict will be sluggish.
    If not, then the west of Ukraine will be bombed into ruins
    1. Waterways 672
      Waterways 672 12 November 2022 10: 32
      0
      Yes, there were problems with the grain. The record harvest that the Garant spoke about simply has nowhere to store it. Many elevators and warehouses were simply destroyed during the years of perestroika
      , now they are trying to correct the situation - they are building new ones.
      But an egg is expensive for Christ's day, part of the crop is stored in open areas, covered with a film. This way of storage leads to inevitable losses. This photo was taken in Tatarstan.
      1. Div Divich
        Div Divich 12 November 2022 16: 16
        0
        It's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

        Grain is not stored like that, it is poured out of the combine into trucks, and the trucks transport the grain for drying.
        1. Waterways 672
          Waterways 672 12 November 2022 16: 42
          0
          I drove grain to Gaz-53, a dump truck from combine harvesters to grain mills and elevators had to be transported, where you are lifted along with the machine. I also had to work for the grain market. The grain there is not only dried, but also cleaned and sorted. At the exit, there were usually "Petkus" - sorting from the GDR. I even had a chance to work on dryers, where firewood was used as fuel. So pass. Grain on the site also used to lie in front of the grain flow, but it was quickly processed.
          1. Div Divich
            Div Divich 12 November 2022 17: 04
            0
            If you know, then the photo is very strange. Grain on the ground will immediately absorb moisture and begin to mold. So the head of that agricultural firm is an asshole, spends millions on cultivation, and throws the result in the trash. We didn't have that.
            1. Waterways 672
              Waterways 672 12 November 2022 17: 15
              0
              Of course it's strange. We have two agricultural enterprises here, so to speak. Yesterday I found out that some harvesters are being sold, it looks like they are closing. At the second, people are fired until spring, under what conditions I don’t know. The reason is that everything is crammed with rapeseed and wheat - they cannot be sold.
              1. Div Divich
                Div Divich 12 November 2022 17: 20
                0
                They would distribute the surplus to their workers at a low price for fattening livestock, this is better than throwing it away.
                1. Waterways 672
                  Waterways 672 12 November 2022 17: 42
                  0
                  This could have happened before, but not now. These workers rarely keep cattle, many from the city work.
                  1. Div Divich
                    Div Divich 12 November 2022 18: 35
                    0
                    We still practice this now, they don’t throw away the grain.

                    But fraudulent firms also meet, they get preferential state loans, they work for 10 years, then the company is sold, the head draws up all the debts for deputies, and he leaves with clean hands to manage another company. Such firms should not exist, let them close, their place on the market will be taken by more sustainable farms.
                    1. Waterways 672
                      Waterways 672 12 November 2022 18: 54
                      0
                      Everything is more complicated here. Those that sell harvesters - German capital is there, the Germans are in command there, our workers. The land, as I understand it, is registered as private property to a person with a Russian passport. In May, I happened to have a chance conversation with Eric (their chief there). I asked if they were going to curtail their activities in Russia in connection with the latest events. He replied that no way, they stay. Well, here you can see it's a pity...
  17. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 12 November 2022 09: 56
    0
    What Latin knows something about us, it's the writers who earn their living. Ebschie phrases plus the volume here is the article.
  18. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 12 November 2022 10: 05
    0
    So on the rambler there was information about a high concentration of troops in Zaporozhye. And tov. Khodakovsky says that there are few of our troops there.
  19. jaroff
    jaroff 12 November 2022 10: 08
    +1
    Question: a country in which the absolute majority, ethnic Russians, an army in which, the absolute majority, ethnic Russians. Where in society and in the army they speak Russian. Where all commands in the army are given in Russian. Where they fight in Russian. Whose army is this? Probably Russian. However, this is the army of a country neighboring the Russian Federation. And this is not the army of Belarus and Kazakhstan
  20. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 12 November 2022 10: 13
    -1
    Here, it seems, are the first results of the "planned regrouping" of troops on the left bank of the Dnieper:
    [i"The first batch of Russian fertilizers blocked in European ports will leave for Malawi next week - office of the UN Secretary General"][/i]
    The port of Kherson was one of the most important transit points for the export of Ukrainian grain. The river-sea ships floated grain along the Dnieper from almost all of Ukraine. Apparently, they went to another "agreement" for the sake of business interests.
  21. Fangaro
    Fangaro 12 November 2022 10: 36
    -1
    Why do the authors of articles mention so often about "General Frost"?
    It's like a magic wand.
    NWO is not passing near Moscow.
    Most of our soldiers, that of their ukrosoldat, know what kind of winter it is in the zone of operation of the NWO.
    And in the media over and over again: winter will come and alles kaput to all enemies.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 12 November 2022 10: 46
      +1
      If you lived at least 3 days in the fields under fire even in the fall, then you definitely wouldn’t write such nonsense about "mild winter in your"
    2. Plover
      Plover 12 November 2022 15: 44
      +1
      How can I tell you... I was born and raised in Chita. Eastern Siberia. In winter -30, in summer +30. I entered the university in St. Petersburg and realized that -15 in St. Petersburg is many times worse than -30 in Chita. In Siberia, the frost is dry, there is no wind. As "banged" in the minus, and until April. In St. Petersburg - humidity, constant temperature swings, then snow - then rain ... Therefore, I would not say that everyone knows what winter is like there and who is ready for it and who is not.
  22. Fangaro
    Fangaro 12 November 2022 11: 25
    -1
    Quote: JonnyT
    If you lived at least 3 days in the fields under fire even in the fall, then you definitely wouldn’t write such nonsense about "mild winter in your"

    I wouldn't even last a day. Not because the winter is mild or harsh, but because he would have died due to natural (sores different from youth received) reasons.
    But the winter is the same for ours, for the ukrosoldat. Everyone sucks. If there were Vanuatu troops there, they would freeze to death. And the bodies and skins of a Westerner from Lvov and a Novgorodian from Staraya Russa are the same. And the frost is comparable here and there. Ours is tougher, theirs is softer.
  23. ivan2022
    ivan2022 12 November 2022 11: 39
    -2
    Does anyone understand Surovikin's status?
    It was during the Second World War that it was clear that there was a Supreme. He makes decisions. He is also the head of the Defense Commissariat. The General Staff is under it ....

    And now? There is Surovikin. And what - Shoigu under him? Gerasimov under him? The supreme one is somewhere in the clouds and that he points out in the "revelations" in the taiga of Altai to his friend Shoigu, only they know .....

    And the "decision was made" by Surovikin ...... If the Germans blamed everything on the Fuhrer, then Shoigu and Gerasimov will blame on whom? It turns out not a decent anecdote, some kind of nonsense. ....surrealism.
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2022 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: ivan2022
      Does anyone understand Surovikin's status?

      Surovikin's status is a campaigner. Function - lightning rod.
    2. Plover
      Plover 12 November 2022 15: 48
      0
      I have not seen any orders, but logically, I think that he has the authority to make all decisions within the framework of the SVO on his own. Shoigu may not approve, but it will not matter. Shoigu can only remove it. Of course, in fact, he consults and takes into account his opinions. But he can stand in a pose and Shoigu will not be able to order him - only remove him from his post.
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  24. iouris
    iouris 12 November 2022 11: 40
    0
    And who's that with the phone? Very suspicious!
  25. Plover
    Plover 12 November 2022 15: 40
    0
    So, let's not break another "bottom" and rely on the opinions of the Brazilian "experts". Are we missing ours? Or will we turn to the analysts of the CAR (Central African Republic) after some time? PMC "Wagner", I think, will be able to find a couple there.
    It is significant that a large number of NATO intelligence professionals, from analysts to retired generals, are suspicious of the implemented initiative.

    Of course, "with suspicion" - without a cunning plan, such a "maneuver" is absolutely incomprehensible. Therefore, they are trying hard to find this "plan".
  26. kriten
    kriten 12 November 2022 17: 03
    0
    I would like to believe. The main thing is that our near-power elite, dreaming of our capitulation, would not interfere.
  27. lopvlad
    lopvlad 12 November 2022 17: 42
    0
    For military professionals, it is obvious that the vanguard grouping of troops, cut off from the rear by an insurmountable water barrier after the destruction of all crossings by the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the past three months, would be doomed to destruction. The only way to save the lives of soldiers was to withdraw troops to the left bank of the Dnieper, which General Surovikin did on the orders of Shoigu on the air.


    but what can these military professionals know there. Whether it’s sofa generals and marshals, and especially sofa “experts” with their “devastating” articles and caricatures of Russia and the Russian army.
  28. ivan2022
    ivan2022 12 November 2022 17: 52
    -1
    Quote: Plover
    I didn’t see orders, but logically, I think that he has the authority

    This is strange. Why give authority to someone if you can discuss everything with your subordinates and make a decision yourself? Suppose a subordinate does "wrong", the boss simply orders to do it right ..... And if he does it right, let him continue to do it.

    Just if logically, it should be like this, and not get the left ear with the right hand. I guess that the logic is simple: "it is more convenient to drag chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands." And when the bosses themselves are afraid of the business they have taken on, this is an indirect recognition of their inconsistency and they are more likely to fill up the case.
  29. guest
    guest 12 November 2022 19: 29
    0
    Yes, and they destroyed the USSR in the same way, the third time this cannot be allowed.

    Only now they are leaving the left bank.
    1. yuriy1863
      yuriy1863 12 November 2022 20: 18
      0
      Yes, when the USSR was falling apart, they were young, but they stood aside. Now, in my old age, I will have to climb into the trench. We will definitely not give up Sevastopol!
      1. guest
        guest 13 November 2022 01: 56
        +1
        Quote: yuriy1863
        We will definitely not give up Sevastopol!

        If you are ordered from above, you will have to give it back.
  30. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 12 November 2022 20: 32
    +1
    Since January of this year, I have already read so many fabulous expert opinions about the options for the development of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine ... And none of them came true. Everything went and is going as no one expected.
    And if you look from the outside and briefly - the West set a trap for the Kremlin, and he fell into it. Russia broke into Ukraine, Washington and London took advantage of this - it's no joke, 30 million idiots were found ready to fight Russia and throw a million of their men to death in a massacre. All you have to do is give them weapons. And rushed. And because of the stupidity of certain military commanders and the elites of Russia and the CIS losing billions in losses, the Russian army was not allowed to fight at full strength. And now Russia is retreating, conducting undercover agreements and leaks, begging for negotiations ...
  31. Sedoy
    Sedoy 12 November 2022 20: 58
    0
    For military professionals, it is obvious that the vanguard grouping of troops, cut off from the rear by an insurmountable water barrier after the destruction of all crossings by the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the past three months, would be doomed to destruction.

    Yes, a clear pepper, who would doubt ...
    there is no logistics, the bridges are destroyed ...
    by the way, and why from the side of the dill all the paths and bridges are intact and they brought everything and everything in broad daylight ...
    the distances were about the same...
    anyway, it doesn't matter anymore...
    we only note that useless logistics did not prevent us from withdrawing about 30 sput of military and 5 sput of equipment in two days - phenomenal indicators ... :)
  32. Sedoy
    Sedoy 12 November 2022 21: 04
    0
    "massive deception operation", that is, pure Sun Tzu.

    well, what an underestimation, not pure, but complete Sun Tzu ... :)
    in the Western media it is clear that several significant events and a "regrouping" from Kherson appeared simultaneously ....
    a selection of related posts:
    - Statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry on the possibility of negotiations with Kyiv without "preconditions"
    - Washington extended for more than six months, until mid-May 2023, the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy from Russia.
    - lifting of sanctions against Abramovich, a participant in many dubious deals "for Ukraine"
    - The London Metal Exchange refused to ban the circulation of products from the Russian Federation
    - The US allowed India to buy Russian oil at a cost above the price ceiling, without using the services of Western companies
    - The Netherlands allowed the shipment of 20 thousand tons of Russian fertilizers to Africa, stuck in the port due to sanctions against the owner of the cargo.
    - London has issued a general trade license, which allows the provision of financial services for the supply of fertilizers from Russia to third countries.
    - Washington until mid-May 2023 extended the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy from the Russian Federation.
    coincidence?
    decide for yourself.
  33. Drlivsi
    Drlivsi 12 November 2022 21: 26
    +4
    The only way to save the lives of soldiers was to withdraw troops to the left bank of the Dnieper, which General Surovikin did on the orders of Shoigu on the air
    And how much will they charge for the return, if any?
    1. The collective farm is voluntary.
      The collective farm is voluntary. 13 November 2022 09: 43
      +1
      Yes, it seems that the return is not expected, unfortunately.
    2. jdiver
      jdiver 14 November 2022 03: 46
      0
      perhaps they understand that someone else will be disentangling the mess that they have made.
  34. Altmann
    Altmann 12 November 2022 23: 19
    0
    I am not a general, but the last paragraph of the article scared the West. I think that this military move will end with a great victory for the Russian troops. I am convinced that Odessa should be Russian. Russia will win in a convincing manner that will bring Western Europe to its knees. am
    1. Altmann
      Altmann 15 November 2022 21: 23
      0
      I think I was right. I know for sure that I was right. The soldiers have been given the green light to begin. Guys, generals, finally show that you are able to show the strength of the Russian army. am
  35. Sergio63
    Sergio63 13 November 2022 07: 10
    0
    The Brazilian Don Pedro thinks correctly...so it will be!!! There will be no negotiations on the American scenario! Let's take Kuev, destroy Ze with all his surroundings, cut the western border with a breakthrough from Belarus (Bagration 2) ... well, "cover" !!!
  36. Pastor
    Pastor 13 November 2022 09: 25
    +2
    They find various "specialists" to justify their theft and sloppiness. The cardboard marshals pissed off the army by drawing the necessary indicators on paper.
  37. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 13 November 2022 10: 35
    +2
    The nonsense of this Brazilian reminded me of the immortal work of Ilf and Petrov "12 chairs". This is when Ostap Bender played chess with the inhabitants of the city of Vasyukov: "Look, the grandmaster gives away the queen. Don't take it - he's cunning, he lures." Ostap played chess for the first time in his life.
  38. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 13 November 2022 12: 08
    0
    “Russia's renunciation of claims to Odessa and Kharkov in exchange for Donbass and the freezing of NATO expansion. The line of demarcation will run along the Dnieper"
    For some reason I thought so too.
  39. NightmareIvanych
    NightmareIvanych 13 November 2022 13: 04
    0
    According to Escobar with the "coked Zelensky" ...

    Are you doing this on purpose? winked
  40. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 13 November 2022 14: 09
    -3
    Quote: Murmur 55
    Pure Sun-Vyn, we still lacked the opinion of some Escabar from Brazil, the same to me is a nation of warriors and strategists.

    Do not remind me who was going to fight there "with little blood and on foreign territory" (C)? And what came of it? And Latin America is constantly at war and it is against the United States. So they have experience and it is correct.

    There is no need for hatred moods, they end badly.
  41. Vlad Gor
    Vlad Gor 13 November 2022 17: 15
    +1
    What prevented Putin from strengthening the Kherson grouping in May, June, July, taking Ochakov, Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog, Zaporozhye??? Putin wanted to make his godfather V.V. Medveychuk the president of Ukraine, but it did not work out, presidents also have failures, it is necessary to return everything back. Putin and his "elite" want to return everything as it was in order to live in a golden billion and rob Russia. Everything is simple.
  42. jdiver
    jdiver 14 November 2022 03: 43
    0
    will finally win the war on Moscow's terms.

    Wow, well, finally, we have already won this and that in full, well, we will finally win. And most importantly, on the terms of Moscow, whose Ministry of Concerns is begging for negotiations, having already forgotten about the minimum attempts to save face or what else they can save there. Thanks to the Brazilian Don Pedro. It seems they no longer know who to get to tell how good everything is and it will be even better.
  43. 78bor1973
    78bor1973 14 November 2022 18: 27
    0
    If this is a cunning plan, then the enemy transferring his units should already be attacked, or shelling of Zelensky in the city should at least be carried out!
  44. waleri777
    waleri777 15 November 2022 15: 07
    0
    Yellow-flea fascists occupied the Russian city of Kherson, and we are told that everything is going according to plan. Maybe the plan is to give all of Russia to the Nazis? I don’t understand what has Brazil to do with it, I like Zimbabwe more.
  45. Prokop_Pork
    Prokop_Pork 16 November 2022 18: 39
    0
    In June 1944, the tiny bridgeheads of the Anglo-Americans were separated from the main forces not by the Dnieper, but by the 100-kilometer English Channel, which did not prevent the Atlantic Wall from breaking through and advancing deep into France.
    What is there to turn everything inside out, betrayal - it is betrayal.
  46. Vlad is short
    Vlad is short 16 November 2022 23: 16
    0
    An expert theorist from Brazil, where a lot of wild monkeys talk about military strategy?
    1. iGhost
      20 November 2022 01: 12
      0
      Urapatriotism, dementia and courage and some other things like that - this is death. We need to think sensibly and approach everything wisely.
      Of course, I understand that it’s hard to accept that it’s not monkeys with sticks that are fighting in Brazil now, but still.