Soviet-Polish territorial confrontation

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For many centuries, relations between Russia and Poland have been tense, and there are many reasons for this.

One of the most important reasons for mutual discontent has always lay in the mainstream of territorial claims to each other. These claims were particularly aggravated in the twentieth century, when a country that followed a socialist path of development, ideally nurturing the building of a communist society on the whole Earth, first of all turned its eyes to its neighboring neighbors, including Poland.

Soviet-Polish territorial confrontation


After World War I, the British foreign minister, Lord Curzon, proposed the USSR a variant of the Soviet-Polish border along the Grodno-Brest-Litovsk line to the Carpathians. Initially rejecting this option in the hope of intensifying revolutionary sentiment in Eastern Europe — after the defeat from the Polish forces and a significant retreat in the Belarusian and Ukrainian territories — the Bolshevik leadership was forced to conclude the Riga Treaty in 1921. According to him, the Soviet-Polish border passed far east of the so-called Curzon Line, with a return to Poland of large Belarusian and Ukrainian territories.

This state of affairs persisted until September 17, 1939, until the Red Army units acted on the territory of Poland (in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on non-aggression, signed between the USSR and Germany).

It is well known that in addition to the non-aggression agreement between the secret protocol was signed. According to him, the Polish and Baltic territories, which were within the scope of interests of the USSR and Germany, were divided. At the same time, Lithuania received at that time Polish Vilnius, while the border of the Polish interests lay along the Vistula, Narev and San rivers.

Despite the fact that the non-aggression pact, signed by Molotov and Ribbentrop, was published almost immediately, information about the additional protocol was kept in a strict secret, which both Soviet and German diplomats kept for many years.

Already 1 September 1939, the German troops began the occupation of Western Poland. The Soviet army entered the Polish state on September 17, and on September 28 signed an agreement on friendship and border. The Baltic countries, Northern Bukovina and parts of Finland became territorial acquisitions (besides Poland) for the USSR.

Only after the start of the war with Germany, Stalin, realizing that he risks losing the Polish territories, goes towards the Polish government in exile (after the German occupation of Poland, the government of the Polish Republic was based in England, controlling the underground army units of the Craiova Army). The agreement on the restoration of diplomatic relations between the USSR and Poland, better known as the Maysky-Sikorsky agreement, was signed on July 30 of the year 1941. According to him, units of the Polish army were formed on Soviet territory with the Polish command, but subordinated to the Soviet High Command. The USSR also pledged to grant an amnesty to all Polish prisoners of war and Polish citizens detained in places of detention.

Soon after the signing of the treaty, the formation of the Polish army commanded by General Anders began in the USSR. A special decree from 25 December 1941 of the Year “On the Polish Army in the USSR” proposed to form in the territory of Central Asia six divisions of 96 thousand men. From the very beginning, the creation of Anders’s Polish Army was proceeding with difficulty: problems with uniforms, food supplies, transport supplies and weapons, the allocation of premises for the deployment of military units hampered the formation of divisions. In addition, strong anti-Soviet sentiments prevailed in the new Polish units. As a result, the idea emerged of transferring Polish divisions to the Middle East (Iran) and after long and persistent negotiations between Sikorsky, Anders, Stalin and Churchill, this idea came to life. Of the remaining Polish armed forces in the USSR, the First Polish Infantry Division named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko was formed.

A radical change in military operations, the offensive of the Soviet troops shows Stalin that victory in the war over Nazi Germany is not far off, and it would be necessary to somehow solve the issue of the post-war structure of Poland.

At the Tehran Conference 1943, the issue of Polish borders was begun not by JV Stalin, but by Churchill. He proposed the eastern border for Poland within the closest Curzon line, while in the west it was the Oder line (that is, to include the Upper Silesia and Gdansk with part of East Prussia in the Polish state. Roosevelt supported this option, and he arranged for Stalin ( except that the Bialystok region, previously included in the USSR).

Of course, these options for dividing Poland did not suit the Polish government in exile, however, Stalin did not take him seriously, realizing that after the end of the war it would have no influence.

In preparation for the post-war European restructuring, Stalin is in talks with the Polish Committee of National Liberation, which was formed in July 1944. The talks concerned in particular the settlement of the Soviet-Polish border, and 27 of July of that year signed an agreement on a new border, according to which it passed along the Curzon line with minor concessions in favor of Poland (in the Belarusian sector).

By the time the Yalta conference of 1945 began, Poland was fully under the influence of the USSR through the controlled Polish Provisional Government of National Unity. The outlines of Poland after the Second World War changed in accordance with previously designated agreements with the Allies and Poland itself: the eastern side of the border with the USSR passed along the classical Curzon line, with small deviations (up to 8 kilometers) in favor of the Polish state. Poland was given Belostok region. Eastern territorial losses for Poland were compensated by Western acquisitions, in particular, a strategically important region of Silesia passed under Polish jurisdiction (and the question of this territory is still the basis for rather tense disputes).

The Yalta agreements were secured on 16 on August 1945 by the Treaty on the Finalization of the Soviet-Polish Border. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the same border became the official border between Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.
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  1. +28
    27 October 2012 08: 35
    If Poland, as in that saying about a fish to eat and a girl to stay .. backside wagged, perhaps the occupation of September 39 would not have happened. But the proud gentry with the help of a curvimeter and hallucinogens in the summer of 39, easily took Berlin, and then united in a French-British pack of stamped on Moscow .... However, 01.09.39/XNUMX/XNUMX clearly showed that the Poles have mastered only one military skill, this drape rugged and not very terrain with throwing weapons and raising arms up at the sight of the enemy.
    So, by sharing the territorial divisions with them, Stalin also made a fool of himself that he had cut German pieces to them, after the war, he had to take his own, and not to give someone else's, for they did not deserve it.
    1. Set
      Set
      +12
      27 October 2012 11: 14
      Problems with transportation of ammunition - Anders' army nonsense refused to fight at all. The USSR did not lose much by rafting this army. And then at Monte Casino, the gentry didn’t want to grab at the most.
    2. Taratut
      -28
      27 October 2012 12: 50
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      However, 01.09.39/XNUMX/XNUMX clearly showed that the Poles have well mastered only one military skill, this is draping over rough and not very terrain with throwing weapons and raising arms up at the sight of the enemy.

      This is complete nonsense. The Poles fought very well. They, unlike the Red Army, did not have superiority over the Wehrmacht, either numerically or technically, but since the Red Army did not panically retreat.
      1. +18
        27 October 2012 13: 56
        Quote: Taratut
        but since the Red Army did not panically retreat.

        Well, of course, they organizedly and courageously left their positions, and the enemy occupied them in disorder and panic.
        No, I know for sure, from the mouth of my grandfather who participated in that war. "The Poles danced Poland." He always said this when he remembered the long columns of Polish prisoners of war.
        1. +4
          19 December 2013 11: 20
          Quote: revnagan
          "The Poles danced Poland."
          I’ll add on my own - and walked. It was not without reason that Poland was divided four times, without even asking for their opinion (though for the first time, for the sake of appearance, they themselves were allowed to approve, support and legitimize their own division in the Sejm).
      2. +31
        27 October 2012 15: 50
        "Very decently" you say, the Poles fought ??? With whom? What losses in manpower and equipment did the Wehrmacht have during the entire Polish campaign?
        "German losses - from 8082 to 10572 killed, from 27278 to 30322 wounded and from 3404 to 5029 missing. Polish losses - 66300 killed, 133700 wounded and 420000 taken prisoner." The Germans lost a smaller infantry division in the last war with Poland. The forces of the armies were approximately equal in size and armament. For ONE month from the Polish army not a single defending unit remained.
        We only Brest fortress MONTH held. I'm not talking about Sevastopol, Odessa, Leningrad.
        The Red Army did not retreat "in panic". It's a lie.
        1. Kaa
          +13
          27 October 2012 16: 18
          Quote: ikrut
          Very well "you say the Poles fought ??? With whom? What losses in manpower and equipment did the Wehrmacht have during the entire Polish campaign?"

          And whether they were planning to take Berlin, or go to the Wehrmacht to Moscow, everyone could not decide ...
        2. Taratut
          0
          29 October 2012 09: 24
          My friends, you do not know absolutely.
          The Poles were inferior to the Germans in all respects - read the balance of power. But courage was not inferior for sure. The Germans themselves recognized that the Polish infantry was better than the German.
          The main reason for the defeat was the mistakes of the command, which had incorrectly deployed forces and tried to defend everything at once.
          About the Brest Fortress is also nonsense. What does it mean - lasted a month?
          That several people were still shooting from the ruins? You might think that the Germans stopped the offensive in order to suppress such resistance. But the Germans did not take the fortress from the Poles. As a result, they spat and gave away this headache to the Red Army. She suffered a couple of days. As a result, the Poles, having spent ammunition, simply left the fortress.
          1. +2
            29 October 2012 20: 15
            Quote: Taratut
            But the Germans did not take the fortress from the Poles. As a result, they spat and gave away this headache to the Red Army. She suffered a couple of days. As a result, the Poles, having spent ammunition, simply left the fortress.

            No, a little bit wrong: at first the Poles slipped out of the fortress, and only then the Germans gave away the Brest Fortress to ours. And the Polish army of Brest was led by a former officer of the Russian army Konstantin Plisovsky. And the Fritz entered Brest on September 16, and the Red Army entered Poland 17.
            1. Taratut
              0
              30 October 2012 09: 07
              I meant the defense of the Citadel. I can even find the name of the officer who defended her.
        3. bart74
          0
          19 November 2012 01: 12
          Agree to all 1000!
      3. +7
        27 October 2012 16: 56
        Quote: Taratut
        This is complete nonsense. The Poles fought very well. They, unlike the Red Army, did not have superiority over the Wehrmacht, either numerically or technically, but since the Red Army did not panically retreat.


        About decently fought ... if decently fought for a month would not be in occupation. By the way, the Wehrmacht did not have an overwhelming advantage over the Poles before the attack. So if they hadn’t spoiled their pants, but really fought, then they would not have to sit in the occupation later.

        Quote: Taratut
        They, unlike the Red Army, did not have superiority over the Wehrmacht, either numerically or technically, but since the Red Army did not panically retreat.


        Well, so you are an eHtspörD according to the heroism of the Limitrophs and how our grandfathers fought badly ... so bad that then they hung a red flag on the Reichstag.
        1. bart74
          0
          19 November 2012 01: 14
          And they could organize the Pshek to the Hans and a couple of Stalingrad. But there is no cowardly nation than psheks, or so
      4. +5
        27 October 2012 21: 17
        Taratut "They, unlike the Red Army, did not have superiority over the Wehrmacht either numerically or in technology, but since the Red Army did not retreat in panic." Only a gibberish can write like that about his compatriots who fought !!!
      5. +5
        27 October 2012 21: 27
        The panicky retreating Red Army ended the war in Berlin (probably with fear), and the heroic Polish army ceased to exist three weeks later and settled in prisoner-of-war camps.
      6. +1
        27 October 2012 22: 21
        You, dear, are bad with history and logic. It’s necessary for the desk, back to school.
      7. Dima
        +4
        28 October 2012 21: 39
        decently ... I am from western Belarus, eyewitnesses who have no reason not to believe, told; - When only a Soviet tank came to the village, all the men from the village sat on the armor and armed with a maximum berdanka and drove to the neighboring village where the Polish garrison stood. The Poles, when only one tank appeared, just ran away .....
      8. mda
        mda
        0
        11 November 2012 14: 49
        Yes, you, as I see it, Russophobe negative
      9. 0
        11 November 2012 23: 43
        Panicky retreated to Berlin itself.
      10. 0
        10 December 2016 09: 41
        Taratut, you need to study, but you teach everyone here. The Polish army in the 39th, after 3 weeks, almost all of them were interned in Romania. And the government, that is, the command of the army, was in London in 10 days. And do not try to make me laugh by mentioning Westerplatte as a heroic page in the struggle of the Poles. The Germans left the courageous defenders alone, then one cruiser returned and dispersed this army. That is why in present-day Poland the next "courageous" rulers are so diligently demolishing monuments to their liberators and are talking nonsense more than Goebbels'.
        1. Net
          +2
          12 December 2016 07: 26
          Clarification. The remnants of the defeated million-strong army of Polish invaders who attacked the USSR on September 1, 1939 (their officer was in Katyn and tried to organize uprisings) were interned in Romania.
    3. Kaa
      +6
      27 October 2012 16: 04
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      So just divide them into territorial divisions,

      And this demotivator does not constantly go out of my mind, maybe "the truth is somewhere out there"?
      1. +11
        27 October 2012 21: 02
        And here it is Russian-German national fun: it’s necessary to eliminate steam, divide Poland, we’ll get tired of Poland, we take up the rest of Europe and chase everyone for centuries as disks for disinfection
        1. Kaa
          +5
          27 October 2012 21: 10
          Quote: Ruslan67
          And with us it’s Russian-German national fun: it’s necessary to eliminate steam and divide Poland

          Offset !!!! + In the 18th century, they shared, in the 19th they drove, in the 20th they shared again, now what, did I understand correctly? laughing
          1. +2
            27 October 2012 21: 56
            Absolutely right! it's time!
            1. Kaa
              +3
              28 October 2012 01: 46
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Absolutely right! it's time!

              Nuuuuu ... for the fifth section! drinks
  2. biglow
    +2
    27 October 2012 11: 03
    Stop writing about secret protocols. This is an American fake that appeared only in 1947. There were no secret protocols.
    1. petro
      -9
      27 October 2012 12: 37
      It’s hard to come to that, but how then to explain the September events of 1939. When the advanced German and Soviet military units in Poland occupied precisely defined lines and there were no disagreements between them, a joint parade in Brest. And what to prove, if the normal ones already understood everything a long time ago. , but it will never reach "mummies".
      1. +4
        27 October 2012 21: 43
        [quote = petro] When the advanced German and Soviet military units in Poland occupied precisely defined lines and there were no disagreements between them, there was a joint parade in Brest. And what can be proved if the normal ones already understood everything for a long time, but before the "mummies" it was not will never come. [/ quot]
        What nonsense. Clashes were more than once.
        And there was no parade. This is your fantasy. The ceremony of handing over a military facility is not a parade.
      2. +1
        11 November 2012 23: 45
        The parade was not joint. Read the expertise for the film.
      3. 0
        10 December 2016 09: 51
        Petro, here you are a Banderite, although you may not know this. It's in the genes. It dawned on the "mummies" long ago and immediately that Stalin presented the Poles with a decent territory in Poland. Washed in the blood of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers. The mummies are well aware of how the proud psheks of Czechoslovakia and the Germans shared with the laughter of Hitler. Who then already knew the fate of Poland. Petro, you should think about the fate of the Outskirts, this Gulyai-field in the present times. Are you talking about Poland. They will bark - they will divide again. The Germans will gladly take their own. And Russia will remind you of the Polish principality in its composition. Is not it? Sing along.
      4. Net
        +2
        12 December 2016 07: 32
        From what borders did Germany attack the USSR, do not remind the people? From the Moloto-Ribbentr or Soviet ones? So do not talk nonsense about the partition of Poland and "secret agreements".
        Poland had a Pilsudski-Hitler agreement of 1934 on the free entry of German troops into Poland with a mess on the eastern Polish border, which the Germans used as allies of Poland. After the defeat of the Polish invaders, the Red Army returned to its territory. The Germans, as allies of Poland, remained.
    2. +7
      27 October 2012 21: 22
      And what is so bad about those protocols? All the rank was shared and normal. Nothing to be ashamed of. The Poles likewise shared Czechoslovakia with Hitler. They snatched a piece of the Czech Republic for themselves and it doesn’t warp them, but we are shy!
      1. Dima
        +1
        28 October 2012 21: 47
        Well, yes .. Just why Bialystok was given to Poland ..? And Vilnus isono the Belarusian city of Lithuania ..?
        1. +1
          22 November 2012 16: 09
          I agree! If the Bialystok region hadn’t been returned, now there would be no communication problems with the Kaliningrad region! Through Belarus trains would run quietly! And why did they take only 40% from East Prussia, and the rest to the Psheks? those and so they got a freebie to Silesia, since the lands of the former Teutonic Order ALL MUST BE BECOMED RUSSIAN!
  3. +6
    27 October 2012 11: 17
    Over the years, Poland has moved towards its present borders, but the idea of ​​a great Poland from sea to sea still hovers in Polish minds!
    1. 0
      28 October 2012 23: 58
      If the Poles so desire Great Poland from sea to sea, then I recommend them to take us as allies, and to appoint, let’s say, the Bay of Biscay as the second sea.
  4. +3
    27 October 2012 11: 45
    and Poland never refused them !!!!!!! Still dreaming of the borders of 1772. and there is Ukraine, including Kiev under the Polish Eagle and the whole of Belarus
    1. Kaa
      +1
      27 October 2012 16: 07
      Quote: wown
      including Kiev

      In principle, you are right, but as for Kiev, he was from the Andrukhovsky world (1667, EMNIP) with a hundred-kilometer zone (then it was considered land miles) under the Romanov’s scepter ...
  5. shicl
    +2
    27 October 2012 14: 17
    An interesting thing - we are pathological enemies with the Poles. Curiously, is there any decent literature on this subject?
    1. I-16M
      +2
      27 October 2012 14: 41
      Yu.I. Mukhin Katyn Detective Moscow, 1995 Book-investigation of the executions of Poles in the Katyn forests. The policy of Poland in the pre-war period is affected.
      1. Taratut
        -1
        29 October 2012 09: 29
        It is clear WHAT you are reading. Read at least "Soviet-Polish wars" by Meltyukhov. The book is also tendentious, but at least of high quality.
    2. +10
      27 October 2012 15: 52
      "I do not believe in the honesty of the player, in the love of the Pole for Russia" (A.S. Pushkin)
    3. +1
      27 October 2012 21: 47
      Quote: shicl
      An interesting thing - we are pathological enemies with the Poles. Curiously, is there any decent literature on this subject?


      http://lib.rus.ec/b/267051 «Гнуснейшие из гнусных». Записки адъютанта генерала Андерса
    4. bart74
      0
      19 November 2012 01: 19
      Psheks write at the word Russian, that’s the whole story. I was in Poland. Cowards, and they don’t know how to drink. Yes, like the girls they have a beautiful myth too. Ryazan. Just messing around in a funny way. Well, yes, well, would you not drink? Kindergarten, in short, not a country. Therefore, Grandfather Stalin did not take them back under the wing, a vile mixture of Slavic-Semites these are yours!
  6. +1
    27 October 2012 16: 45
    The German army surpassed the Polish army by 20 percent, the army of the Third Reich surpassed the Soviet one and a half times, so the Poles had more opportunities for victory, wimps, although compared to other Europeans they were just titans of military affairs.
  7. WW3
    WW3
    +5
    27 October 2012 17: 31
    Stalin maximally expanded the borders of the USSR, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed everything ....
    1. +15
      27 October 2012 19: 03
      Churchill really did not want Lviv to withdraw to the Soviet Union after the war. Discussing with Stalin, he declared:
      - "Lemberg (German name) has never been part of Russia!"
      Stalin, calmly puffing his pipe, replied:
      - "And Warsaw - entered."
      The question has been removed.

      I don’t know how much this historical joke corresponds to reality, but such an irresistible counterattack is absolutely in the style of Joseph Vissarionovich.
  8. ESCANDER
    +3
    27 October 2012 19: 59
    Yes freaks these psheki.
    Have you noticed in their thin film about Katyn how everything is represented there? The Russians are fascists there, but it’s not a big deal somewhere in the background (it’s understandable, right now they want to live in Pts safely, and it’s not by the current standards, the bonuses will be different).
    And Stalin had to grab them even more. They took advantage of the troubles in the form of the fall of tsarist Russia and the young Red Army and imagined something with their victory over Russia, for which they got more than later. There they are dear. (and then - the partition of Poland, the USSR - Germany ... Even without Germany they had to hit the teeth, since the case turned up).
  9. +3
    27 October 2012 21: 22
    Churchill really did not want Lviv to withdraw to the Soviet Union after the war

    Yes, it would be better if he didn’t leave! Right now there are only Bender’s nests, water is muddied throughout Ukraine! .
    1. +4
      19 December 2013 11: 48
      Quote: Megatron
      Churchill really did not want Lviv to withdraw to the Soviet Union after the war

      Yes, it would be better if he didn’t leave! Right now there are only Bender’s nests, water is muddied throughout Ukraine!

      Speak the truth! Especially by modern standards. And so the Poles would have this headache. And there, you look, and would kill all this trash. Yes, in vain Stalin was so kind at the time.
    2. +1
      9 December 2016 09: 30
      Quote: Megatron
      Right now there are only Bender’s nests, water is muddied throughout Ukraine! .

      But the trouble is that these nests were not cleaned in a timely manner - Khrushch issued a stop order. As for the Lehites, all their historical troubles are from the delusional idea "to burn the salty from Mozh to Mozha", pathological inclination to "rokosh" (rebellion), Russophobia and greed.
  10. thatupac
    +2
    27 October 2012 22: 05
    When the Ukrainian western nationalists of Poland will give the Polish native lands? The USSR has been gone for a long time, who has al amnesia?
    1. +7
      27 October 2012 23: 06
      Ignorant Lithuanians screaming about the occupation of their USSR and demanding compensation should also return Vilnius and the Vilnius region to the "undeservedly offended" Poles
      1. sq
        0
        28 October 2012 15: 51
        Not to the Poles, but to the Belarusians, from whom the communists took them and presented them.
    2. Kaa
      +1
      28 October 2012 01: 49
      Quote: thatupac
      When the Ukrainian western nationalists of Poland will give the Polish native lands?

      Ukraine should unilaterally denounce the Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement ... a lot of problems will disappear ... to the Poles.
  11. 0
    27 October 2012 22: 43
    In Tehran, Yalta and Potsdam, the "Polish" issue took longer than all the others combined.
    What was the partition of Poland?
    The Poles are making noise - "Enough to divide us, it's time to share with us."
    But charity is not in fashion in this world.
  12. +5
    27 October 2012 23: 05
    Horseradish with her with Silesia, but why did they return the Bialystok region and gave most of East Prussia ???? If they didn’t give it away, now there would be no problem of land communication with the Kaliningrad region, trains through the union Belarus would calmly go past the greyhounds-limotrophs.
  13. Cat
    +5
    28 October 2012 00: 54
    There would be more minds for the lords, and less ambition - maybe they would have a larger territory.
    Who is Poland's ally friend? England, now here is the USA ... countries whose lands, with all desire, cannot be annexed to the Commonwealth.
    But the neighbors - love and definitely psyakrevichi, with whom the pans are constantly trying to somehow spoil. It’s okay to usefully, because after all, they themselves often eat that they have spoiled, but they still can’t calm down. As a result, the neighbors, at the first opportunity, try to chop off a piece of Greater Poland territory into ownership. And it’s often successful - you won’t win a lot with one ambition, and the other types of troops among the gentry are not so hot.

    An interesting fact: during the war, the Germans constantly had tensions with the acquisition of SS units, where initially they exclusively accepted racial Aryans. Hitler's associates arranged the solution to this problem in a tricky way: they announced the racially close Danes and Norwegians, then the French, then someone else ... as a result, the European peoples turned out to be Aryans, as well as Indians, Russians, Ukrainians, and other Slavs - which were previously considered 100% non-management. The exception was, of course, Jews, as well as Gypsies and .... Poles =)))
    The question is: how did the Germans have to get the pans to look worse in their eyes than the other enemies combined ???

    Although, there are enough of such "specialists in getting out" even nowadays. Kaczynski is the same, now deceased, with his demonstrative dislike for Russia (and for Germany), others like him ...

    Conclusion: Poland should be divided more often between as many countries as possible. As a result, the pans get confused with the definition of an object for righteous hatred and, perhaps, finally calm down =)
    1. Kaa
      +1
      28 October 2012 01: 54
      Quote: Cat
      Poland should be divided more often, between as many countries as possible.

      The list of "applicants for this precedent" is being compiled: Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, Germany, Slovakia, Czech Republic ... I have not forgotten anyone. did not cheat? fellow
      1. +1
        28 October 2012 18: 42
        Forgot, Big Snake, forgot ..
        What about Turkey?
        That's the state, in all of Europe it was noted.
        ...
        Not on those pans put, not on those.
        ..
        Here, I draw your attention, snake-eyed and feline (narrow-eyed) - how well they can get through in business. International.
        Well, don’t go to your grandmother - you’ll be led by ... blatant Saxon promises — you will remain without pants. But you will be provided with - servile work, ... to fight for someone .. will have to ..
        And they will make films - Save Private Ryan.
        Save, no? The question remains.
        ...
        In general, I am just sorry that at one time Great Lithuania and Muscovy did not find a common language.
        The whole story would be different.
  14. Pablo
    0
    28 October 2012 06: 19
    AND SO DELIVERED RUSSIA, AUSTRIA, PRUSSIA, GERMANY,
    1. Kaa
      0
      28 October 2012 12: 44
      Quote: Pablo
      AND SO DELIVERED RUSSIA, AUSTRIA, PRUSSIA, GERMANY,

      And the countries I have indicated that are not right-heirs, or what? Traditions need to be honored and protected ... laughing
  15. +1
    28 October 2012 17: 00
    A muddy article left a filthy sediment. The author, having obviously heard enough of the propaganda, slurredly writes about the real state of affairs at that time. USSR - anressor ??? !!!! Read less Rezun and think more with your head! But the author, gradually inspires this thought. And about the politics of Poland, slurred, but positively, a victim, like! Disgusting article.
  16. +2
    28 October 2012 17: 18
    And at the present time, Poland does not give up hopes for the return of the so-called "Eastern Crosses," territories of today's Ukraine, which belonged to it until 1939. Of course, militarily Poland is rather weak and there is no question of returning the eastern territories by military means, so Poland chose a different path. For this in western Ukraine, special Polish emissaries are in every possible way stirring up separatist sentiments and have already achieved a lot, in fact, western and eastern Ukraine are antipodes, i.e. enemies, and the central part is vacillating, takes one or the other side, practically the question of separating the western part from the rest of Ukraine, it is a matter of time. In addition, under the pretext of facilitating the crossing of the Polish border, all ethnic Poles living in Ukraine were registered, which is quite a lot, and they were issued a corresponding document-card of the Pole. These people should make regular trips to Poland, talking about how good life is there. After the separation of western Ukraine, a referendum will be announced and western Ukraine is already Poland. The precedents have been tested on the example of Yugoslavia. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet recognized the independence of Kosovo, fearing its collapse, but in my opinion it cannot be avoided.
  17. Stasi.
    0
    28 October 2012 18: 14
    As soon as the collapse of the European Union begins and they drive out of it under various pretexts of the Eastern Europeans, a fight over the territory will begin. Poland will recall that some of its lands are now part of Ukraine and the Baltic states, and will demand their return. And if they refuse, he will act by force. True, then the Germans will demand from the panes to return their lands that are part of present-day Poland, but I think the panes will give way in exchange for supporting the seizure of land in Western Ukraine and the Baltic states. In short, a large redistribution awaits us, which will turn into a lot of blood.
    1. 0
      28 October 2012 18: 58
      Already written, again with the Germans we will share them. laughing
    2. Dima
      0
      28 October 2012 22: 04
      Well, well ... Let them try to regain Grodno ... wink It will not be 41 years old now ...
  18. +2
    29 October 2012 01: 14
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And here it is Russian-German national fun: it’s necessary to eliminate steam, divide Poland, we’ll get tired of Poland, we take up the rest of Europe and chase everyone for centuries as disks for disinfection

    Said laughing I still laugh, I can’t calm down laughing
  19. ESCANDER
    +1
    29 October 2012 19: 52
    Yeah, east ... Will rests lol
  20. bart74
    0
    19 November 2012 01: 21
    Pshdeks are not warriors, but "shunminators". How much blood they drank for us! Horror! Even if you count the Second World War ?!
    1. 0
      19 November 2012 01: 38
      The Russian-Polish confrontation did not end, it just subsided.
  21. -1
    22 November 2012 21: 26
    Honestly, the article and the comments make me extremely surprised ... And why is everyone so worried about the borders of Poland in 1939? After all, these boundaries existed only 20 years old !!!!! And even more so, the post-war European borders were approved by the Helsinki Accords which Poland, among other things, has signed ...

    Why doesn’t anyone write about how Poland, too, chopped off a piece under the Deriban of Czechoslovakia? Why doesn’t they write that Stalin (so hated by the Poles) gave Poland vast territories of the former Germany and thereby solved the centuries-old question of the country's landlocked access?

    In general, the guys-Poles always behaved and behave like the original enemies of the Eastern Slavic peoples ... As they say, they were Panas and remained ... But this is why Russia in response somehow modestly keeps silent ...
  22. 0
    30 June 2014 02: 31
    In short, the conclusion is: We do not play any social camps anymore. And we don’t give land to anyone else. Especially proud noblemen, all the same from them only accusations and insults.
  23. 0
    8 December 2016 12: 36
    In memory of the army of Anders In Tashkent, there is an unfinished Catholic cathedral, at least take off the "Omen"! After 50 years it was completed. It and the adjacent territory are a true decoration of modern Tashkent. I attended concerts of sacred music in it several times.
  24. 0
    24 February 2017 12: 30
    I don’t know how it is in the West, but in our country the surrender of territory to the enemy is always the result of losing the war. In the coming years, a very large restructuring of the political map of the world is ahead.