Bloomberg columnist: The West should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation

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Bloomberg columnist: The West should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation

Leonid Bershidsky, a former Russian journalist and political scientist who worked for several years in the Ukrainian media, and now a columnist for the Bloomberg agency, discusses how the West should behave in order to finally and irrevocably defeat Russia. He draws attention to the fact that now the Western allies are trying to repeat the scenario with regard to the Russian Federation, which was implemented to subjugate Germany and Japan after the Second World War. However, the political scientist rightly notes that today's Russia is very different from the post-war countries of the Nazi coalition. The repetition of this plan is hindered by "one snag."

Bershidsky (foreign agent) drew attention to the fact that in the Western media space they are increasingly talking about the fact that the previously perceived as a purely local Ukrainian conflict has ceased to be such. The topic of discussion of analysts and politicians is shifting from helping Ukraine to the formation of a post-war global order. This implies not just the victory of Ukraine, but the complete leveling of Russia as one of the influential players in the international arena.



Many in the West, and not only in Eastern Europe, where Russia is historically feared and considered an aggressor, believe that Moscow should be “brought to its knees” and subdued in the same way as it was with post-war Germany and Japan. Only after that should Russia be given the opportunity to develop again and integrate into the Western international architecture. But this seemingly coherent plan has a significant drawback, Bershidsky believes.

French political scientist and civil servant Nicolas Tenzer goes even further. He believes that the West should not hide its, so far indirect, participation in the Ukrainian conflict. It is necessary, Tenzer calls, to clearly state the main goal: Russia must withdraw all troops from all countries and regions where the “Putin regime” is currently present. Further, after the weakening of Russia, it should be deprived of the right to veto in the UN Security Council, completely excluded from the Western financial system. Only a complete defeat and deprivation of all international ties and privileges, according to the French political scientist, will mean victory over Moscow.

Bershidsky, in turn, believes that even such drastic measures proposed by Tenzer are not enough. Deprivation of the right to vote in the UN does not mean the complete isolation of Russia, as shown by the recent vote in the General Assembly, in which most countries adopted an anti-Russian resolution. This did not affect Moscow's actions in any way.

Even if Russia manages to win in Ukraine, return the Donbass, the Black Sea regions, even the Crimea, the Kremlin will still retain strength and resources to maintain influence in other places and prepare for a new campaign against Ukraine,
- Bershidsky is sure.

Why the West does not dare to directly intervene in the Ukrainian conflict, the political scientist asks. The thing is that in Europe and America there is a rudimentary fear left over from the Cold War that in this case Russia will use nuclear weapons. weapon. Therefore, NATO only supplies Ukraine with weapons, avoiding direct participation in hostilities and, in fact, giving Ukrainians to the slaughter.

Bershidsky believes that the West needs to ignore Putin's threats and use its soldiers right on the battlefield. Without this, Russia cannot be pacified, and if it is not pacified, it will be impossible to “denazify” following the example of Germany and Japan. After all, even if Ukraine wins and returns its territories, it will not occupy Russia, taking up the restoration of the country. And then Moscow will get a chance for revenge.

In addition to calling for a direct military conflict between Russia and NATO, a dissident political scientist (Bershidsky emigrated to Germany in 2014 due to the annexation of Crimea) insists on further influence on Russian society in order to overthrow the “regime”. After that, even if a far-right government comes to power, Russians should be offered… integration into Western society. Bershidsky believes that Russia should be given "the same optimistic perspective that humiliated and occupied Germany and Japan received after the reforms." But with complete submission...

What can be said about this next "Marshall Plan"? It's amazing how quickly a person born and raised in Russia forgets his lessons. stories and ceases to be not only Russian, but at least a sane and adequate individual. However, how else can Mr. Bershidsky make a living in the "European garden", except not to try to show himself as the most ardent Russophobe.
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  1. +26
    October 20 2022
    Bloomberg columnist: The West should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation
    And you need to prepare more so that DO NOT BREAK OFF van gentlemen
    Former Russian journalist and political scientist, who worked for several years in the Ukrainian media, and now a columnist for Bloomberg agency Leonid Bershidsky
    in which case, Israeli citizenship will not save
    1. +60
      October 20 2022
      It is amazing how quickly a person who was born and raised in Russia forgets the lessons of history and ceases to be not only Russian, but at least a sane and adequate individual.


      "Leonid Davidovich Bershidsky was born on November 23, 1971 in Moscow [68]. His father, David Nukhimovich Rosenberg [70], left the family when Leonid was three years old, and his son was raised by his mother, Vera Abramovna Bershidskaya [70]."

      A real Russian man, apparently from the same cohort as Zelensky, Kolomoisky, Blinken, Soros, Albright, Berezovsky, Bzezhinsky and others. And what is interesting is all the "peacemakers" and all come from the very people that are often compared with the wise, peaceful and kind.
      Their life is "unfortunate" how it turned them inside out.
      1. +13
        October 20 2022
        You know, I have acquaintances with the surname Medvedev, who emigrated to Eastern Europe, and from there they pour shit on Russia, the military, Putin, and so on .. moreover, these are, like, smart people ..
        It seems to me that this is some kind of special kind of "liberal-reasonable" person))
        Simply, among the Jews there are historically more of them ..

        They are distinguished by confidence in their exclusivity, underestimation, minimal subjectivity, confidence that on the basis of public and open information it is possible to build a complete picture of the world, and so on..

        In a simple way, among the people they call such a sucker / nerd / nerd / homosexual ..
        But this does not prevent them from getting to positions / power / money / influence, and from there to spoil, winning back their children's complexes
        1. +6
          October 20 2022
          Quote: Clever_
          You know, I have acquaintances with the surname Medvedev, who emigrated to Eastern Europe, and from there they pour shit on Russia, the military, Putin, and so on .. moreover, these are, it seems, smart people ...

          I was touched by an incorrect line in the article with a reference to a Russian person. So nothing personal, just facts.

          But in principle, the number of people of a given nationality in the highest echelons of power in the United States (and not only) and businesses who make and promote coups d'etat and wars around the world, cannibalistic programs to reduce the population of the Earth by any means (Geitz, Rockefellers, Rothschilds and others) , favorably treat violence and finance it (Kasparov, Khodorkovsky and others) makes you take a different look at many things and understand what kind of "childish" complexes that influence them so much.
          1. +6
            October 20 2022
            There is a wonderful work on this, called the Concept of Public Security "Dead Water".
            There they analyze in detail the history of the origin of world Jewry, and the postulates of the Old Testament and the Talmud..
            In extreme cases, a summary is in the lectures of General Petrov.

            But this does not cancel the children's complexes. A Jew - he has been a Jew since childhood. From birth, he is formed offended by fate, to whom everyone owes, and he should only tell others what to do and what to think.
            But with the same mentality, not only Jews can be brought up, but also people of any nationality, that's what I mean. Maybe not on purpose, but by accident
          2. 0
            October 21 2022
            It seems that there is only one smart guy here? Or am I wrong?
      2. +6
        October 20 2022
        I remember that nine or ten years ago, commentators on InoSMI plastered him (Lolik Bershidsky) with feces in three layers after each of his articles. This characterizes him better than any horoscopes.
      3. +2
        October 21 2022
        We are all for this wise goy people, I think this is the whole point.
      4. 0
        October 21 2022
        The only thing that Brzezinski is superfluous on this list is if you hint at nationality. He is of Polish origin. And Berezovsky, being a Jew by nationality, converted to Orthodoxy.
      5. +4
        October 21 2022
        The first Nazis are just God's chosen people.
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    2. +29
      October 20 2022
      Quote: svp67
      now Bloomberg columnist Leonid Bershidsky
      in which case, Israeli citizenship will not save

      I don’t understand, here in Israel there are normal people, but the former Soviet Jews, all of them are angry, as if it wasn’t them, but we spread rot.
      1. +8
        October 20 2022
        Not everyone became Rotenberg, Mikhelson, Abromovich, etc., etc. There are right Jews, and there are wrong ones who bet on the wrong horse. Therefore, they are angry.
        1. +2
          October 21 2022
          About the "correct Jews". Vladimir Solovyov is a patriot, well, there's just nowhere else to go. At the same time, he repeatedly stated that Zelensky was not a Jew, because he swore not on the Torah, but on the Bible. If Solovyov had been a small-town shoemaker, it would have worked, but he is an educated person. The Torah is included in the Old Testament of the Bible - this is the Pentateuch of Moses. And to Solovyov, to lie in order to depict an inveterate scoundrel-Jew as NOT a Jew - it's like hello. A Jew cannot be a Christian - he can become one, but then he ceases to be a Jew.
          1. 0
            October 21 2022
            How does it stop? Do not confuse nationality with faith. It was full of Soviet Jewish atheists. Fersman, Lavochkin, Ioffe, Khariton, Ehrenburg. Conversions cease to be Jews or atheists. But they remain Jews. These are traditions, folklore, mentality.
            As for the "Marshall Plan", something in the Yeltsin period did not occur to "friend Bill" with his "Kremlin american paratroopers" to "develop Russia". What for? After the victory, they did not develop their Indians, but reduced their numbers to a safe one and drove them into reservations. Here is a real model for all Slavs. They will be reduced by the method of mutual inciting. The first stage can be observed closely. And of course you can promise anything...
      2. +2
        October 20 2022
        but the former Soviet Jews, all so angry, as if it wasn’t them, but we who spread rot

        First of all, that's exactly what they think.
        Secondly, this is not true in any way. Neither they us nor we actually rotted them there is nothing to write these nonsense.
        1. +1
          October 20 2022
          Quote: alexmach
          Neither they us nor we actually rotted them there is nothing to write these nonsense.

          Well, if you think so, then so be it, only I can’t recognize Trotsky, Blyumkin, Zemlyachka and Sobelson, and even the Beitarevites in October 2003.
          1. -5
            October 20 2022
            What kind of heresy are you talking about. I open the composition of the first Council of People's Commissars and see there already one Jew, one of 13 people. They really came to power and began to oppress the Russians.
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              1. +4
                October 21 2022
                Stop posting fakes and learn historical materiel
              2. +1
                October 21 2022
                The first Council of People's Commissars included 20 People's Commissars:

                Yes you, what, but do not confuse anything? What if you count on your fingers?

                The first composition of the Council of People's Commissars of Soviet Russia
                The first Soviet people's commissars
                Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars - Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin)
                People's Commissar for Internal Affairs - A. I. Rykov
                People's Commissar of Agriculture - V.P. Milyutin
                People's Commissar of Labor - A. G. Shlyapnikov
                People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - Committee, composed of: V. A. Ovseenko (Antonov) (in the text of the Decree on the formation of the Council of People's Commissars - Avseenko), N. V. Krylenko and P. E. Dybenko
                People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - V.P. Nogin
                People's Commissar of Education - A. V. Lunacharsky
                People's Commissar of Finance - I. I. Skvortsov (Stepanov)
                People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs - L. D. Bronstein (Trotsky)
                People's Commissar of Justice - G. I. Oppokov (Lomov)
                People's Commissar for Food - I. A. Teodorovich
                People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - N.P. Avilov (Glebov)
                Chairman of the Affairs of Nationalities - I. V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin)
                The post of People's Commissar for Rail Affairs remained temporarily not replaced.

                Lunacharsky - enlightenment, Jew

                Bullshit.
                Anatoly Lunacharsky was born in 1875 in Poltava, from the extramarital affairs of the actual state councilor Alexander Ivanovich Antonov (1829-1885) and Alexandra Yakovlevna Rostovtseva (1842-1914), the daughter of Ya. P. Rostovtsev. The patronymic, surname and rank of nobility were received by Lunacharsky from his stepfather, Vasily Fedorovich Lunacharsky, whose surname, in turn, is the result of a rearrangement of syllables in the surname Charnolusky [2] (derived from the noble family Charnolussky).

                Larin (Lurie) - economic council, Jew

                There was no such thing in the Council of People's Commissars, and yes .. Lurie is definitely a Jewish surname .. Don't go straight to a fortuneteller.
              3. +1
                October 21 2022
                And right from there about your list.
                Yuri Emelyanov in his work "Trotsky. Myths and Personality” provides an analysis of this list. The analysis shows that the "Jewish" character of the Council of People's Commissars was obtained through machinations: not the first composition of the Council of People's Commissars, published in the decree of the II Congress of Soviets, is mentioned, but only those people's commissariats that were ever headed by Jews were pulled out of the many times changing composition of the Council of People's Commissars. Thus, L. D. Trotsky, who was appointed to this post on April 8, 1918, is mentioned as People’s Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs, and A. G. Schlichter, who really held this post, but only until February 25, 1918, and, by the way, was not a Jew (Schlichters are Polish landowners of German origin). At the moment when Trotsky really became the people's commissar for the military, Tsyurupa A.D.

                Another method of fraud is the invention of a number of never existing drug addicts [20]. So, Andrei Dikim in the list of people's commissariats mentioned the never-existent people's commissariats for cults, elections, refugees, and hygiene. Volodarsky is referred to as the People's Commissar of the press; in fact, he was indeed the commissar of the press, propaganda and agitation, but not the people's commissar, a member of the Council of People's Commissars (that is, actually the government), but the commissar of the Union of Northern Communes [21] (regional union of Soviets [22] [23]), an active conductor of the Bolshevik Press Decree [24].

                And, on the contrary, the list does not contain, for example, the actually existing People’s Commissariat of Railways and the People’s Commissariat of Posts and Telegraphs. As a result, Andrei Dikogo does not even agree on the number of drug addicts: he mentions the number 20, although there were 14 people in the first squad, in 1918 the number was increased to 18.
            2. +1
              October 21 2022
              Quote: alexmach
              What kind of heresy are you talking about. I open the composition of the first Council of People's Commissars and see there already one Jew, one of 13 people.

              I'm not talking about the Council of People's Commissars, but about the sadists Trotsky, Blumkin, Zemlyachka and Sobelson.
              1. 0
                October 21 2022
                Trotsky was not a sadist
                all the rest have never been in power.
                1. 0
                  October 21 2022
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Trotsky was not a sadist
                  all the rest have never been in power.


                  I would like to believe, but my grandfathers and their brothers spoke differently.
            3. +1
              October 21 2022
              Quote: alexmach
              I open the composition of the first Council of People's Commissars and see there already one Jew, one of 13 people

              You, apparently, did not go further than the names. If Zinoviev, Lilina or Trotsky changed their surnames, they did not cease to be Jews
              1. +1
                October 21 2022
                You don't give yourself the trouble to delve into anything.
                Zinoviev was not a member of the first Council of People's Commissars
                Lilina.. ahem
                Some persons are generally fictitious: Svalbard ..., Lilina-Knigissen (perhaps, this refers to the actress Lilina M.P., who has never been a member of the government, or Lilina (Bernstein) Z.I., who was also not a member of the Council of People's Commissars, but worked Head of the Department of Public Education at the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet)

                I have already said about Trotsky as the only Jew.
            4. -2
              October 21 2022
              Table 4. The number of leading employees of the NKVD of various nationalities. Page 495.
              As of October 01.10.1936, 39,09, Jews accounted for 30%, and Russians for 01.07.1939%. But on 3,92/66,7/XNUMX, only XNUMX% of Jews remained, and XNUMX% became Russians.
              Directory. Who led the NKVD 1934-1941 Zvenya Publishing House, Moscow 1999 Memorial Society.
              The role of the Jews in the organization of Soviet power and in the genocide of the Russian people by this power was significant. Anyone who disagrees with this is a Russophobe.
              This does not mean that the Jews brought only evil to the Russian people. But they also brought a lot of evil.
              1. +1
                October 22 2022
                Directory. Who led the NKVD 1934-1941 Zvenya Publishing House, Moscow 1999 Memorial Society.

                First, how much can such a guide be trusted?
                Secondly, he led the NKVD does not mean leading the country
                Well, the most interesting
                As of October 01.10.1936, 39,09, Jews accounted for 30%, and Russians for 01.07.1939%. But on 3,92/66,7/XNUMX, only XNUMX% of Jews remained, and Russians became XNUMX%

                What do you think, what actually happened to them from 36 to 39? Did everyone go for a promotion?
                Anyone who disagrees with this, and Russophobe

                The statement of a boor is not a very smart person.

                The most important thing I won’t understand in any way, but now in 2022 what did the Jews give you then? There are practically none of them left in Russia, those that remain for the most part do not differ from Russian in practically anything.
            5. -1
              October 21 2022
              "I open the composition of the first Council of People's Commissars and see there already one Jew, one of 13 people."
              1 out of 13 is 7,7%. And this creature Alexander seems not enough.
              Em would like to see more Jews there, and fewer Russians.
              1. +1
                October 22 2022
                1 out of 13 is 7,7%. And this creature Alexander seems not enough.

                And you ask what was their percentage among
                1. population in general,
                2. urban and educated population
                3. among revolutionaries in general
                4. among the Bolsheviks.
                Em would like to see more Jews there, and fewer Russians.

                They found something to pour their bile on. Bravo.
          2. -2
            October 21 2022
            Stalin, judging by the comments, respect. And Stalin respected Zemlyachka. In the midst of repressions, he was appointed Deputy Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars.
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        1. +7
          October 20 2022
          Quote: And Us Rat
          According to the "fifth column" they were discriminated against in admission to universities,

          Especially in VTU them. Bauman.
        2. +7
          October 20 2022
          Quote: And Us Rat
          According to the "fifth column" they were discriminated against when they were admitted to universities, for work, when they were awarded, when they were promoted.
          And the rest of the Jews did not discriminate on the 5th point? Didn’t they drag theirs into universities and warm places? Not? Well, why are you surprised: as it comes around, it will respond.
          1. -10
            October 20 2022
            Quote: bk0010
            And the rest of the Jews did not discriminate on the 5th point? Didn’t they drag theirs into universities and warm places?

            And what could they do if they were left with no other way? Don't confuse the effect with the cause.

            Quote: bk0010
            as it comes around, it will respond

            That's exactly how the system backfired on them, so they responded. So there is nothing now to blame the mirror.
            1. +3
              October 21 2022
              Quote: And Us Rat
              That's exactly how the system backfired on them, so they responded.

              They received many rights after the revolution, and therefore came back to haunt the Russian people.
              1. -3
                October 21 2022
                Quote: tihonmarine
                They got a lot of rights

                Exactly as much as the rest, equality is called.
                Or is life in Estonia imbued with metastases of Nazism? Do you already consider national discrimination as a norm? No.
                1. +1
                  October 21 2022
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Or is life in Estonia imbued with metastases of Nazism?

                  Everything is the same in Estonia and in Israel.
            2. +3
              October 21 2022
              The entire centuries-old history of the wanderings of the chosen people shows that wherever they come, at first the local population treated them fairly evenly, and after a while a conflict arose. What's wrong with the local population? The same goes for gypsies and Armenians. With the Armenians to a lesser extent.
              1. -6
                October 21 2022
                Quote: Andrey NM
                What's wrong with the local population?

                Xenophobia is an innate factor, as pack animals protect their habitat from neighboring packs. This is zoology.

                The elites prefer a straw enemy to consolidate the herd than a real one. And you don’t need to fight and the sheep are busy, it’s convenient. This is sociology.
                And religious leaders use the same method.

                Quote: Andrey NM
                With Armenians to a lesser extent

                This is because Christians, but in Muslim Turkey, Armenians have always not been loved more than Jews, the Jews were more useful to the elites, so the Armenians were chosen to be the scarecrow.

                There is a wise remark:
                "People are divided into intellectuals and b..dlo, and already b..dlo are divided according to nationality"

                From myself I will add:
                Among the intellectuals there is a minority of unprincipled elites who feed the baser instincts for the sake of striving and ruling, divide and conquer. Such is the nature of man.
          2. +2
            October 21 2022
            Quote: bk0010
            And the rest of the Jews did not discriminate on the 5th point? Didn’t they drag theirs into universities and warm places?

            I studied at Bauman for three months, this pack did everything to get me expelled. And instead of the Bauman, I ended up in the 94th minesweeper brigade.
            1. -5
              October 22 2022
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I studied at Bauman for three months, this pack did everything to get me expelled.

              I even guess why. I suppose they were talking about their racial superiority. Well, Jews do not like anti-Semites. lol
              1. +2
                October 22 2022
                Quote: And Us Rat
                I suppose they were talking about their racial superiority. Well, Jews do not like anti-Semites.

                I didn’t think about it then, I just met a Jewish girl, and three of them caught me when I was walking with her, and decided to “teach me a lesson”, not knowing that I was a CCM in boxing, all three ended up in the hospital and their dads did everything, so that I would sit in a lid, but it didn’t work out, I got on a minesweeper. If you lived in the 60s in the USSR, then remember very well that there was no anti-Semitism at the level of ordinary people, the memory of the Great War and its victims still lived in people.
          3. +2
            October 21 2022
            In relation to those who are not their own, Jews use the words "goy" and "shiksa" (this is about women). Both words have a sharply negative connotation.
            Show me at least one Jew who never used these words.
            1. -4
              October 22 2022
              Quote: Egor53
              In relation to those who are not their own, Jews use the words "goy" and "shiksa"

              Have you escaped from the 19th century? I've heard this (from normal) only a couple of times in my life, and then as a joke.
              This is the lexicon of ultra-religious fanatics, but these secular Israelis consider them to be goyim, they have their own ghetto quarters, they don’t even recognize the country, they believe that it is a sin for Jews to have their own state without a messiah.

              Quote: Egor53
              Show me at least one Jew who never used these words.

              Such an overwhelming majority, in Israel at least.
              Separate the flies from the cutlets, denseness does not paint anyone.
              1. +1
                October 22 2022
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Have you escaped from the 19th century? I've heard this (from normal) only a couple of times in my life, and then as a joke.

                It is clear that not from evil, my neighbor in a communal apartment constantly called his wife shiksa, but they loved each other, because they had lived together for more than 50 years.
                But whatever you say, no one has forgotten the precepts of their ancestors.
        3. +3
          October 21 2022
          "anti-Semitism flourished in the USSR" - a blatant lie. There is no need to slander the Soviet government, I myself do not like it, and it had many shortcomings, but it was not noticed in anti-Semitism.
          "According to the" fifth column ", they were discriminated against in admission to universities."
          That's interesting, among my friends and buddies there are Jews, and I have a lot of them, only ONE did not have a higher education, and not at all in the fifth column, but due to natural slovenliness and laziness.
          In my class, Kyiv, only Grisha Komsky received a gold medal, and no one discriminated against him, and he was a Jew just like from a Nazi agitation. He studied very diligently, but there were not enough stars from the sky.
          1. 0
            October 22 2022
            Quote: Egor53
            No need to slander the Soviet government, I myself do not like it

            And I love. Then we all got together, celebrated any holiday, birthdays, or simply "went to barbecue", and now we occasionally communicate on the phone with the words "we should meet" (which means we will not meet). Gone are the days of human relationships.
        4. +2
          October 21 2022
          They were so discriminated against that most of their people ended up with higher education. And then, among various bosses, there were 10 times more people in profitable positions than the national average. After all, they were only 2% of the population. For some reason, they justified this not by their mafia, but exclusively by their chosenness and genius. Doesn't it remind you of anything?
          1. -4
            October 22 2022
            Quote: meandr51
            For some reason, they justified this not by their mafia, but exclusively by their chosenness and genius.

            It's not about genius, and not about mafia, but about banal education, among Jews there is simply a cult of learning, although in Israel the ratio of those with and without higher education is not much different from other developed countries. For example, I did not graduate from a university, only courses in company management when I opened my own business.
        5. +3
          October 22 2022
          Under the "fifth column" discriminated against in admission to universities

          I don't know, I don't know. Something my mother, who studied at a university in the 60s in a prestigious specialty, says that all the teachers were Jews, probably because they were decriminated. Later, at work, a lot of colleagues were also Jews, and no one, according to her, has ever divided anyone at all on a national basis.
        6. 0
          October 22 2022
          That's what you spun here, this is called Russophobia. This is true only for the officer corps. Yes, in the army, Jews, except for doctors, were not particularly given a move. In other spheres of life in the USSR in the 60s and 80s, no one restricted the Jews.
          1. +1
            October 22 2022
            Quote: Ulum
            Yes, in the army, Jews, except for doctors, were not particularly given a move.

            My father's fellow soldier Uncle Yasha, with whom they fought together for three years, after the Second World War became a lieutenant general and served near Moscow, my uncle was the beginning. political department of the air defense brigade, and the deputy commander of the brigade was a Jew. And this is in the 60s.
    3. +16
      October 20 2022
      He would dare to bark at his historical homeland like that, without a cat he would be left in a few days! It's only we well-wishers who allow all sorts of bastards to pour shit on Russia with impunity.
    4. +2
      October 20 2022
      He doesn’t remember Trotsky’s fate, is his skin for sale? And in vain, apparently, they will soon remember about Mochilovo in the toilets! negative
    5. +11
      October 20 2022
      should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation
      Moscow should be brought to its knees
      In order for the post-war conditions of Germany to come, a Soviet soldier walked through them, four years of blood and then washing away Nazism, freeing Europe from occupation, hoisting the Great Banner of Victory over the Reichstag. And then they began to restore, and of course, after the Victory, we didn’t put anyone on our knees and didn’t enslave anyone.
      P.S. they themselves got on their knees (both face and back), after us ...
      1. +8
        October 20 2022
        Quote: Free
        should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation
        Moscow should be brought to its knees
        In order for the post-war conditions of Germany to come, a Soviet soldier walked through them, four years of blood and then washing off Nazism


        All the time, reading about that if, but if only "Hitler's Germany brought the USSR to its knees," I think - "but how many people of Jewish nationality would be left on planet Earth then."
        1. +7
          October 21 2022
          tihonmarine:

          ... and how many people of Jewish nationality would be left on planet Earth then ...

          - Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

          —-Therefore, I, my children and grandchildren will always honor the memory of the soldiers of the Red Army, the peoples of the USSR and, first of all, the Russian people - who saved the Jewish people from destruction ... who freed my father from Stutthof in March 45.

          — I agree with most of the comments. There was anti-Semitism, but not in Stankin, not MIIZhTE, not in LEIS ... and it is not the reason for Jews dragging Jews along with them. Often family ties, blat, sometimes - yes, sympathy for fellow tribesmen.

          ——There are many “offended” among the former Soviet Jews, the majority. Almost everyone should have been made either a chief engineer or a foreman ... Personally, I am from Riga, studied in Leningrad, served in the Army ... I experienced everything and then drank vodka with “anti-Semites”. And Latvian - never!

          —- Victories for Russia and the Warriors of Light!
          1. +4
            October 21 2022
            I experienced everything and then drank vodka with “anti-Semites”. And Latvian - never!

            It’s a paradox ... with which of the Jews I drank and drink vodka, those in Israel and in Russia, and with whom I didn’t drink, those in the states chased after a long dollar drinks
          2. +2
            October 21 2022
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            I experienced everything and then drank vodka with “anti-Semites”. And Latvian - never!

            I also drank vodka with anti-Semites, and Semites, and Jews, and even Estonians and Latvians, but only with those who sailed the seas, they are the same as we are there, but I don’t drink with them on the shore.
            I like to sit at the pubs of Haifa and Ashdot, where you understand and understand you, it's nice to meet normal fellow countrymen, not confused and not obsessed. Sincerely, Tikhon
            1. +1
              October 21 2022
              tihonmarine:

              Best regards, Tikhon!
        2. +1
          October 21 2022
          Quote: tihonmarine
          if, yes, if "Hitler's Germany brought the USSR to its knees," I think - "but how many people of Jewish nationality would be left on planet Earth then

          Now they are slowly starting to spin the topic that there was Jewish blood in Hitler's veins, and Goebbels was a purebred Jew.
          1. 0
            October 21 2022
            Quote: Piramidon
            Now they are slowly starting to spin the topic that there was Jewish blood in Hitler's veins, and Goebbels was a purebred Jew.

            It has been going on for a long time, but the authors are rotting, and books and articles are not published, and if someone breaks through, then a wild howl is an "anti-Semite". Try to write ten lines "out of color" and get banned, and can be physically disfigured.
        3. 0
          October 21 2022
          The same number would remain as it was, minus the Soviet and Polish Jews. They really destroyed them. The rest were kept for Israel. On this they fully agreed with the leaders of Zionism. Which completely legally bought the necessary Jews from Hitler, leaving him unnecessary for their forced resettlement in Palestine. Since the Jews in their mass did not want to go there voluntarily. And even now they don't want to. And then it was necessary to fight there. Hitler understood that he would not be able to reach all the Jews in the world, so he agreed, together with the Zionists, to create a separate state for them, so that they themselves would flock there. By the way, it is no coincidence that the Palestinian-Jewish partisans under the command of Zhabotinsky fought against the British and contacted the Nazis.
  2. +29
    October 20 2022
    Sooner or later, all traitors to the Motherland become uninteresting to the new Master, and they are thrown away like a used condom...
  3. +5
    October 20 2022
    Maybe enough to share the skin of an unkilled bear? Return the stolen and frozen money to us, restore the joint venture. What a brazen thief.
    1. +12
      October 20 2022
      The West has been dividing us in its fantasies all its life, and every time our people, standing up in defense of the country, break these fantasies with them ...
      1. 0
        October 20 2022
        Especially in 1991, he came to the defense of the USSR, the layman wanted very 3000 varieties of sausage .. but he didn’t think that 2999 would be out of substandard condition ...
        1. +13
          October 20 2022
          Quote: zombirusrev
          Especially in 1991, he came to the defense of the USSR, the layman wanted very 3000 varieties of sausage .. but he didn’t think that 2999 would be out of substandard condition ...

          Previously, there were 10 varieties of sausage in the store, but all were 100% meat, now there are 50 varieties, but everything is 90% non-meat.
          1. -2
            October 20 2022
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Previously, there were 10 varieties of sausage in the store, but everything was 100% meat,

            This was before 1974, and by the 1980s, the cat no longer wanted to eat doctor's sausage (before eating it, they gave the cat a test), but preferred liver.
            1. +2
              October 20 2022
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              This was before 1974, and by the 1980s, the cat no longer wanted to eat doctor's sausage (before eating it, they gave the cat a test), but preferred liver.

              Well, I don’t know Vitaly, I don’t know, but the 80th year of the Olympics, and even later, GOST was maintained. Although we always had sausages and milk were not very bad, and in St. Petersburg too.
              1. 0
                October 20 2022
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Although we always had sausages and milk were not very bad, and in St. Petersburg too.

                If in St. Petersburg, then Yes, our meat processing plant worked 90% for St. Petersburg, and we could buy it through the back "Kirilts".
                1. 0
                  October 20 2022
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  If in St. Petersburg, then Yes, our meat processing plant worked 90% for St. Petersburg, and we could buy it through the back "Kirilts".


                  Well, yes, it was like that in Russia, when my father went to Moscow for sausage from the Smolensk province.
            2. 0
              October 21 2022
              Or maybe cats and dogs have their own preferences? My dog, if given the choice, prefers sausages or sausages to fresh meat.
              1. -1
                October 21 2022
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Or maybe cats and dogs have their own preferences?

                Yes, of course, but they don't tell us. If a dog can eat plant foods, then a cat's preference is meat or milk. And if the sausage does not smell like meat or milk, but
                there are more various additives than meat and they beat off the smell of meat, the cat will not always eat it, which was the case in practice.
              2. 0
                October 21 2022
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Or maybe cats and dogs have their own preferences?


                Exactly. I once tried German canned dog food. They turned out to be from offal, and completely unsalted.
      2. +1
        October 20 2022
        The West has been dividing us all our lives in their fantasies
        Yep, fantasy

        Does historical retrospective tell you anything?
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        2. +9
          October 20 2022
          Quote: Trapp1st
          The West has been dividing us all our lives in their fantasies
          Yep, fantasy

          Well, yes, in 1812 they divided the whole of Europe, in 1914 they divided the whole of Europe, in 1941 they again divided the whole of Europe, and in 1945 they wiped the whole of Europe, they wiped the bloody snot, now they are again trying to share, forgetting how the grandfathers and fathers blood from the broken muzzle wiped.
          They probably quickly get used to good things, especially after beating.
        3. +6
          October 20 2022
          Your map is old, please update.
          And it was not the West that defeated us, but our own traitors.
          1. -1
            October 20 2022
            Your map is old, please update.
            the last 3 weeks, cards can be changed twice a day, in the context of my comment, this is not the point.
            And it was not the West that defeated us, but our own traitors.
            Blessed are those who believe ... Just for example, Navalny is ours or not ours?
          2. 0
            October 20 2022
            Quote: BoBkaTyumen
            Your map is old, please update.
            And it was not the West that defeated us, but our own traitors.

            I don’t understand why the West is so up in arms against the guarantor? They should be grateful to him. Never before has Russia been so weak, both economically and militarily. Over the decades of his reign, his team has done more harm than the collective West as a whole. Everything that was said from the high stands turned out to be fraud and idle talk. The war clearly showed the lack of modern weapons in massive quantities, the simplest drones are purchased in Iran, the lack of missile weapons (which causes long pauses in shelling), the General Staff showed its incompetence, misappropriation of funds for show (thanks to the cardboard one), the country equips the mobilized with the whole world, removed from storage T-62, but where are the more modern tanks in huge quantities inherited from the USSR? So that they do not need to divide and weaken anyone, everything is done for them.
            1. 0
              October 20 2022
              And there is.
              Our industry cannot mass-produce modern military equipment and relies only on Soviet developments.
              How many Su-57s are produced per year? Several pieces.
              Also with the Armata tank.
              And how many Kuznetsov are being repaired? For the 6th year, probably, and the deadlines are being shifted.
    2. +2
      October 20 2022
      Not for this, Mrs. Nabiullina and Mr. Siluanov took them (money) to give you. Forget about them like a nightmare.
  4. +15
    October 20 2022
    Why post here the statements of various "former". Their position is absolutely clear and does not arouse interest from the word at all.
    1. DDR
      +5
      October 20 2022
      Quote: AlexGa
      Why post here the statements of various "former"

      By analogy with the famous film
      "The authorities need to know in person!"
      The enemy must know in person!
      1. +3
        October 20 2022
        Yes, this journalist is not worth our attention, such as he is in the "yellow" press like uncut dogs.
      2. +3
        October 20 2022
        And besides, you need to understand what is happening. Russia is precisely what is fighting for its future and for its very existence.
    2. +5
      October 20 2022
      Why post here the statements of various "former". Their position is absolutely clear and does not arouse interest from the word at all.

      The fact is that there are a fair number of such and those who agree with them, still crawling on our land and, first of all, in the capitals.
      1. +3
        October 20 2022
        Here in this you are absolutely right, you need to clean up your "stables".
      2. +1
        October 20 2022
        And not only in the capitals, in local Internet publics there are 100% not cissos, but real people and they write nasty things and there are quite a few of them. Cleansing and "heart-to-heart talks" are needed.
  5. +5
    October 20 2022
    But Bloomberg did not "suggest" the so-called. "West", where is it TODAY, "preparing the same fate" for Russia, to find such an ally as the USSR was for it? ..

    Who made a decisive contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany and militarist Japan? ..
    1. +2
      October 20 2022
      Quote: ABC-schütze
      Who made a decisive contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany and militarist Japan? ..

      Now for them both Germany and Japan are "sidekies" and they are already accusing that the USSR attacked and illegally seized both Japan and Germany, and they were just random passers-by.
  6. +6
    October 20 2022
    Many in the West, and not only in Eastern Europe, where Russia is historically feared and considered an aggressor, are sure that Moscow
    This fear stems from the belief that Moscow is able to do with the West (and not only in Eastern Europe) everything that they call for doing with Russia...
    1. +1
      October 20 2022
      Quote: Lesovik
      This fear stems from the belief that Moscow is able to do with the West (and not only in Eastern Europe) everything that they call for doing with Russia...

      Wait! It won't be long before he claims that his article was translated incorrectly! It is the United States that needs to think about how to keep itself intact, not Russia.
  7. +6
    October 20 2022
    After the words .... I worked for some time in the suburban media ........, you can no longer read further ......
  8. +4
    October 20 2022
    Bloomberg columnist Leonid Bershidsky discusses
    He does not argue, but raves, he is either a drug addict or stoned, perhaps both.
  9. +5
    October 20 2022
    Is it worth it to finally comment on this dregs?
    1. +5
      October 20 2022
      It is worth it to understand how the traitors think and try to curry favor with the big white brother ..
  10. -2
    October 20 2022
    Only a complete defeat and deprivation of all international ties and privileges, according to the French political scientist, will mean victory over Moscow.


    Well, well, but he's an optimist. Apparently, in the opinion of the "Westerners", all international relations are tied only to the USA and the EU, however, powerfully and pathetically.

    Why the West does not dare to directly intervene in the Ukrainian conflict, the political scientist asks. The thing is that in Europe and America there is a rudimentary fear left over from the Cold War that in this case Russia will use nuclear weapons.


    The planet is still lucky that in the West not everyone has moved like this political scientist. Apparently, he believes that as soon as Putin feels that he is finished, i.e. there is nothing more to lose - he will not launch a nuclear strike on the EU and the USA, after which it will be impossible to live there? The arrogance of a political scientist can clearly compete only with his stupidity.
    1. +5
      October 20 2022
      Personally, instead of kneading Ukrainians, including those loyal to us, I thought about nuclear armageddon for Britain ... not many charges are needed and the island is out of the way ..
      1. +2
        October 20 2022
        Although this text (according to the editors) does not contain useful information, but ...
        They've been asking for a long time.
      2. 0
        October 21 2022
        In principle, the idea is not bad. If England is destroyed in 15 minutes, then this will make a favorable impression on the entire world community. There will no longer be any point in being responsible for the charred island. Yes, no one needs it, except for themselves.
  11. +2
    October 20 2022
    Mriya ... it would be better to beware, so as not to end up in the place that Russia has prepared and prepare for the end ...
  12. +3
    October 20 2022
    Why print nonsense in VO, some kind of journalist ... Let's go down to the level of the yellow press, we will print what all sorts of Volochkova, Sobchak, etc. think.
  13. Mwg
    +3
    October 20 2022
    "However, the political scientist rightly notes, today's Russia is very different from the post-war countries of the Nazi coalition. "One snag" prevents the repetition of this plan." - as in a joke: - Hey! I caught a bear!; - Drag here; - I can not! He won't let me!"
  14. +1
    October 20 2022
    Leonid Davidovich Bershidsky. Do not be lazy, the network is full of his photos. I wouldn't be surprised if he's from the LGBT community. This is the essence of the Western mass media - anyone, God forgive me, gets a podium there if he blathers the necessary speeches.
  15. +1
    October 20 2022
    Berzhidsky is unaware that in this situation, they will have to study the experience of Japan and its recovery after nuclear bombings. Have you forgotten Putin's words that why do we need a world in which there will be no Russia?
    1. 0
      October 21 2022
      Nobody trusts Putin. To be believed, he must at least kill someone indicatively. At least Zelensky. And they consider him good.
      1. 0
        October 22 2022
        Quote: meandr51
        And they consider him good.

        Like a well-mannered man, he gently offers to "drain" ... before "pissing in the toilet."
  16. +1
    October 20 2022
    In order to put forward conditions for Russia, it must be defeated. We are now in a strange time when the vanquished put conditions on the winner.
    1. +2
      October 20 2022
      To be fair, there are no losers yet either.
      1. 0
        October 20 2022
        Quote: Vened
        To be fair, there are no losers yet either.

        Russia cannot lose a priori. The whole world will lose. But the demands for reparations from Russia are already sounding insistent
        1. 0
          October 21 2022
          And the Balts never got tired of repeating this mantra.
        2. 0
          October 22 2022
          Quote: APASUS
          demands for reparations from Russia are already sounding insistent

          We know how the "carving up of the skin of an unkilled bear" ends, according to previous deeders. Let's hope that no one will break the tradition.
  17. +1
    October 20 2022
    And this blue Jew Bershidsky will go to war or fade to Israel. So there is nothing to drool here for this Russophobe
  18. 0
    October 20 2022
    Hmm... Bershidsky...
    Pole, probably. lol
    1. 0
      October 20 2022
      Hmm... Bershidsky...
      Pole, probably. lol

      And who else. laughing
  19. +3
    October 20 2022
    the complete leveling of Russia as one of the influential players in the international arena... Moscow should be "put on its knees" and subjugated...
    Eco how they were torn apart. They have not yet won, but they are already making plans, and with the obligatory humiliation of Russia. How many of you were from Poland, and from France, and from Germany, and of course your traitors, who dreamed of winning first, and bringing the remnants to their knees. And we are still trying to explain to these geeks about international law, diplomatic correctness and just about human relationships?
  20. +3
    October 20 2022
    Many people in history wanted to win, ruin, subjugate and humiliate Russia! Well, where are they all? Their bones have rotted long ago, and Russia was, is and always will be! And the fate of traitors at all times is inglorious!
  21. +3
    October 20 2022
    This is not news! This is spreading shit! Dear VO, you publish real news. Nowhere, except for you, such Mr. does not publish in the news!
  22. 0
    October 20 2022
    Dreams, dreams... The West itself is plunging into darkness every day: the neo-colonial system that has "fed" the West for decades is collapsing, and with it their well-fed and rich life. And these traitors to the Motherland are now dodging like snakes in a frying pan, trying to deceive themselves, not accepting the reality ...
  23. +3
    October 20 2022
    Bershidsky, Bershidsky ... Who is this? Haven't heard... Another vycer another stoned bastard
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  25. +4
    October 20 2022
    The West will be able to subjugate Russia only by betraying the elites, as in the USSR, and there are prerequisites for this. Part of the elite wants to return their villa accounts with banks, a parasitic way of life.
  26. 0
    October 20 2022
    Another Russophobe and who does not understand the processes taking place in the World! The collective West is not dying out, it is dying in convulsions and crap wherever possible to delay its end! But that will only prolong his agony!
    1. -2
      October 20 2022
      Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
      The collective West is not dying out, it is dying in convulsions

      Unfortunately for you, you are 193 years too late.
      For the first time the idea that the historical fate of Europe
      (England, Germany, etc.) is close to completion, was expressed by the young Ivan Kireevsky in the Review of Russian Literature in 1829.
      He wrote that Europe had already grown old, had taken on dilapidated forms, like a dammed river, and now only stagnation could follow, preceding decline and inevitable decay.
      As you understand, he did not live up to this.
      I wish you good health and long life to fulfill your dreams.
      1. -1
        October 21 2022
        Vitaly Gusin (Vitaly Gusin), if you are a young or middle-aged person, then you will witness what I wrote about. I myself will not live - I am 73 years old, and the maximum life of the human body is only 120 years! You can not believe me - I do not care! But all my predictions always come true! Everything! Very difficult times await Russia, after which it will become the World Leader for the rest of humanity. It is for the rest of humanity that this is not a typo ...
        1. -1
          October 22 2022
          Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
          I myself will not live - I'm 73 years old,

          Well, what will you live and see, and be disappointed in your predictions. And we will discuss with you what happened.
          Remember what Professor Preobrazhensky said at dinner to his assistant Blumenthal.
  27. +1
    October 20 2022
    As I understand it from the article, the main focus of the West is not on the military defeat of Russia, since this is not realistic due to the size of the territories and the population. There are no such armies and moods in society in the West to do this. The West's main bet is on internal contradictions in Russian society, and especially in the "elites". They hope that we will defeat ourselves, as we did in 1991.
  28. +2
    October 20 2022
    TOPVAR, it seems like a patriotic site, but it promotes all sorts of (foreign agents) .. slop)
  29. +1
    October 20 2022
    In Russia's turn to the east, some bright decisive step is needed. So that all these Western hysterics see the back of the retreating Russia and finally understand that no one hears or listens to them. I would be very happy if the capital was moved somewhere in the Asian part of the country, and a couple of million from Moscow moved out. You don’t need to go to Irkutsk - they will immediately pollute Baikal and set up palaces in the reserves, but Tobolsk or Novosibirsk - why not? Yes, even in Magdagachi!
  30. +1
    October 20 2022
    . Bershidsky, in turn, believes that even such drastic measures proposed by Tenzer are not enough.

    All the worst labels have already been hung on Russia, up to and including a terrorist state. Therefore, such former citizens, who, in fact, call for the destruction of their former homeland, must be liquidated.
  31. 0
    October 20 2022
    Of course, Putin and Zelensky made a huge gift to all the Russophobes of the West. The first - by starting an adventurous and completely unprepared SVO, the second - joyfully agreeing to fight to the last Ukrainian, many of whom are ethnic Russians with a Ukrainian passport. Moreover, due to the mistakes of the top leadership of the Russian Federation, which began the military campaign with forces completely inadequate to the tasks set, our country was dragged into a war of attrition. And thanks to the betrayal of the liberals in the government and the greed of the oligarchs, a real opportunity was lost to force the West to make concessions, immediately stopping all supplies of strategically important goods. That is, they actually gave Putin's "partners" time to prepare for the replacement of Russian gas, oil, etc. with competitors' goods.
  32. 0
    October 20 2022
    Why is there an article about this? You never know what some fugitive wrote, passing off his Wishlist as real political wishes.
  33. 0
    October 20 2022
    . make a living in the "european garden"


    The jungle is calling! Paparapam! (FROM)
    Cartoon came to life!
  34. +1
    October 20 2022
    Why did we duplicate the nonsense of this * (a science fiction writer with erotic deviations) in VO. He is not the first, and unfortunately not the last. Once US Secretary of State Albright said that Siberia should be taken away from Russia. She has already died, but Siberia has remained. And this * (radish) will die, but Russia was, is and will be.
  35. 0
    October 20 2022
    Russia .... is considered an aggressor

    The cynicism and deceitfulness of the West goes off scale, you see they have their own history, rewritten, or mirrored, otherwise how can Russia be considered an aggressor, knowing that Russia has always defended itself from attacks, the same French, Germans, and there was an intervention of the entire capitalist west and east in the civilian ...
  36. 0
    October 20 2022
    death muratofacesilkudrobiulheelcolumn!
  37. 0
    October 20 2022
    A very bold statement that Bershidsky is Russian. The trouble in Russia is with such "Russians". The percentage is very small, and for some reason the hassle with them is through the roof.
  38. 0
    October 20 2022
    Former
    . The former, he is the former ... nothing good can be expected from such people. They don’t want to remember history, but nonsense in the head, over the edge .... so they buzz in all directions, with the corresponding substance.
    And finally, we are here WHY??
  39. +1
    October 20 2022
    Germany and Japan did not have nuclear weapons, so roll up your lip.
  40. 0
    October 20 2022
    Too big a piece to be "complete submission."
    Strictly speaking, all this speculation around "the West wants to conquer Russia" is wishful thinking. Since the 1980s, and especially since the collapse of the USSR, we have not been a competitor for the West, and moreover, we have shown excellent trends in "self-sawing" as a civilization.
    We have such a "suitable" pace that there is no practical sense in helping us.
    Strictly speaking, our imperial model began to degrade almost immediately after the start, because among the extremely "sort of like" ideologically soldered Bolsheviks, there were different interpretations diametrically different in matters of how and what to do. There was no such polarization in the "patchwork" capital world, and as a result, a tougher and more conservative line (Stalin's) triumphed over all the others, having done what for the sake of which and how everything was originally started, which is called "based on" .
    Already under Stalin, the stake on the "liberation" of citizens, which was competitive with the "liberation" of the Western model, was practically eliminated - in the new state of things, a person was under the heel of laws and rules to a greater extent than it was in the West and moreover, its fundamental (even if and not designated by the UN yet created) rights were violated. Thus, verbally declaring "great freedom and great opportunities," we have turned from a potentially progressive model into a rigidly authoritarian vertically oriented state. In the future, this trend could no longer be completely reversed, because the entire architecture of the state was built around this "core" - subordination, control, monopoly on ideology, restriction of rights and, in general, the "man for the state" model. By the 80s, it became clear that this model was already less and less "exporting" in the modern world, because if the pressure on society remains stable, the instruments of pressure are gradually eaten away by active and passive resisting elements (due to the impossibility of completely closing the iron curtain and the increasing disproportion in wealth and the freedoms of the majority between socialist countries and capitalist countries), corrupting their asset and discrediting their ideological foundation, just like termites eat through a tree.
    As the pressure eased, the control mechanisms of the model became more and more unbalanced in various areas, often causing a cascade of crises.
    And a further increase in pressure was impossible due to the counterproductivity and lack of interest in this elite.
    The country really needed "perestroika", but the rebuilder was needed much more skillfully than the MSG (in China there was such a person - it was Deng Xiaoping) - who stupidly released the valve and began to see what would happen. As a result, the system, restrained mainly by a power frame, simply fell apart like baked popcorn.
    From which, after the MSG, an incorrect conclusion was made (about the inefficiency of absolutely everything in the left model and the need to build a classical capital model from 0) - as a result of the capital. the model was built on a large-scale deception (a society accustomed to state paternalism and accustomed to state paternalism simply "stuck", and more than once.) One part of the Russians acted as North American colonists, and the other as Indians - as a result, we got a polarized society with a huge gap in living standards and opportunities. To maintain this, it was again necessary to build up power and suppressive tools (sic!), because one part of the population (the elites) were not ready to give up what was mined in the "holy nineties (s)", and the second part was brought at some point already to the extreme .
    To maintain order in such a system, the "old approach" was again required - brainwashing, a rigid framework, the suppression of law, the growth and development of the power apparatus.
    This approach gradually curtailed individual progressive shifts in the formation of civil society - we again embarked on the path of regression as a system. By this time, "it so fortunately coincided" that a significant part of the diversifying industries and chains connecting us with the remnants of such in the CIS was lost - and a bet was made on imports. Thus, we gradually and largely returned to the situation of the early 80s, in a SERIOUSLY lighter (in places, and in places much more acute) version, but without comparable production, a role in the global economy, military power and social "solidity".

    That is, the cyclical nature of our crisis (of a purely internal plan), which is expressed in a complex aggravation of the situation and, apparently, in the inability to organize not only a competitive model, but simply a sustainable and attractive model, is evident. Our "type of growth" at certain stages is usually accompanied by subsidence in other areas (like the "golden oil years" of the early 2000s were accompanied by the collapse and dismantling of our industry, or the growth of civil society and political activity in the 90s was accompanied by a drop in living standards, growth crime and hyperinflation), collectively being the exchange of "more for less". Four formations of power have changed (Gorbachev's gerontocrats - Yeltsin's liberals - EdRo), but they could not do anything with this trend, this is beyond their capabilities.
    At this time, in the surrounding world, growing competition leaves us less and less chances to rise, sets ever higher standards of life and quality (developed and a number of developing countries), and our demography is in decline.

    Actually, all this happens without "active conquest", of course. On my own, so to speak.
    Until recently, we happily supplied the West with everything they wanted and bought everything that we could produce ourselves.
    Tell me please, why should they waste their energy on destroying us? We are destroying ourselves and bringing them maximum benefits along the way.
    1. 0
      October 21 2022
      My guess is why they destroy us. To begin with, the Russian Federation is not the main one in this big game - yes, it is not very spiritually strong, but the economy is a stubborn thing. Of course, the United States is solving the dual task of clearing the world and European markets from European competitors and through this ensuring the expansion of its capital and, as a result, solving internal problems for some time. The second is the task of destroying China. First of all, by strangling it at the raw material level, depriving it of access or blocking access to fuel. Russia interferes only in the fact that there is its independent foreign policy position, which prevents China from being put in a certain position, since the Russian Federation remains as a raw material base for China, the possibility of creating a single missile defense system, a defensive alliance due to the presence of nuclear weapons in the Russian Federation and a strong position as a supplier of weapons and fuel for China, Iran, Arabs
      Not even the Russian Federation, but a specific political configuration with Putin interferes. And that is the only reason they have the question of military intervention. That is, we, as an economy as a system, are not competitive, and of course there is no reason for them to ruin us. Moreover, we ourselves actively fought for the right to supply low-processed products to the markets of the EU, the USA, and China.
      There is a problem of creating competitive individuals, industries, countries. It is very Big and very Important.
      According to the model you propose Freedom - Results in our society (when the growth of one variable extinguishes the second and vice versa) and its cyclicality seems interesting to me.
      However, this cyclicity is also represented in the West. There is no linear growth of freedoms or economy. The disappearance of the alternative in the form of the USSR quickly showed that the whole façade about human rights was just a façade.
      I agree with the fact that lies and restriction of freedoms in the USSR was the beginning of its end.
      And with all my ardent sympathy for the USSR, adherence to the communist idea, it must be admitted that when almost a third of the country went to harvest (for potatoes), and then half of the crop rotted in the storage chain - the store is, of course, the bottom.
      Of course, there were also great achievements in technology and in the social sphere. But there was also wretchedness and poverty. Poverty was mainly due to the inefficient distribution system and just different stupidity in the minds of the ideologists of the CPSU.
      1. 0
        October 21 2022
        My guess is why they destroy us.

        What are we excited about then? It's all gone anyway. We will drink vodka in unlimited quantities. Who does not agree, let him shoot himself. So?
      2. 0
        October 22 2022
        The USSR was a dogmatic state, caught in the trap of its own inflexibility and illusions. I never felt the need or the point of "flagging" him, as well as unnecessarily savoring his successes - today this has almost nothing to do with almost a third of a century has passed since the actual death of the USSR. The generation that was born in the USSR and does not remember him at all (4-5 years in 1991) already has their own kids 18+. It was and has passed, as they say.
        However, we should draw conclusions from the collapse of the USSR - in order to recognize ourselves, our weaknesses, our illusions and defects in perception. We must understand what we did right and what we did wrong.
        If you distance yourself from politics, then the USSR is very good. mistreated property and freedom. The vast majority of people in this life are ruled by a completely mundane motivation - and only it pushes a person (most!) to “reap themselves and their brains” in order to establish cooperation and create a Product. You see, the process of creativity, even if out of selfish interests, is a deeply intimate process. If the furry rake of the state is constantly thrust into it, then a person’s creative and production impotence sets in, aggravated by the fact that even in the field of property everything is not thank God - and a significant part of the property in the USSR for most of its existence was, to put it mildly, “unstable”. Here we get two unpleasant things - the state pastured and steered a person in his activity (and inactivity, by the way, too), doing a lot of inappropriate and I would say annoying, and in his free time a person also felt "attention" and stupid obstacles. All this exuded motivation, in addition to direct damage.
        We look at the developed capital states and specifically at their product, and we understand that a significant part of this product WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT FREEDOM OF ACTIVITY.
        Relatively speaking, if the OBHSS were chasing Steve Jobs or Bill Gates for "parasitism" in his garage, if some kind of shadolban head against the wall would force Elon Musk to work 8/7 and drip on his brains by joining the party - they would hardly have released a Product, they would hardly have promoted Progress with their activities.

        It was as if there was no understanding of the importance of this in the USSR - no, in words it may have been mumbled, but in reality it did not develop. The medium was toxic. And now it is largely toxic - in the same areas, by the way - but in a DIFFERENT way. You know how to compare potassium cyanide and sarin - different poisonous things, but the effect is the same.

        Our problem is that we DO NOT WISH even when we CAN create an environment that encourages a person to freedom of creation, creation. The state with its bloated power apparatus does not act as a guarantor of these rights and freedoms, not a guarantor of the inviolability of property - but as before, a guardian who will strangle anyone in his tender embrace. We categorically do not know how to create a Product for people, an environment for people - no. We love to drive these poor fellows, torturing, nightmare, frighten, coerce, agitate - instead of just LEAVE THEM ALONE and organize everything so that all this hypertrophied power apparatus catches scammers, thieves, corrupt officials.
        We do not want to admit that people are DIFFERENT. And that not everyone likes idiotic movements, and for such a person to be useful, you don’t need to thresh him long and hard so that he CHANGES HOW IT IS NECESSARY, just give him freedom of activity and in comfortable conditions he will either be a stable consumer (will work and buy) or a stable producer (will work and sell) something. They will be driven by thirst and greed, they will have freedom of goal-setting and dreams - and the state will give taxes from them and deal with their muddy garbage further - occasionally being distracted by ensuring that the environment of existence is comfortable and that the person is not oppressed. DELOV IS A FUCK! You see, here is the paradox. We figured out how to create conditions so that plants grow as efficiently as possible, so that cows have maximum milk yield, so that silicon crystals grow as fit as possible - but here's how to make people work productively and not wallow in depression and procrastination from the fact that there is darkness and darkness outside the window. hardcore - with this shopipets how difficult it is to figure it out.
        This is our problem, the most basic in my opinion. We do not create a state for the people - we have it for some higher purposes. For what, damn it?))) And who needs it ..
        1. +1
          October 22 2022
          I agree with you! Are there technologies, let's call it successful practices, when someone managed to massively create conditions for development and creativity, leading to that same growth and development? Are there any good articles, examples - I would read it with great interest.
          1. 0
            October 22 2022
            Surely some kind of philosophical demagogues have covered enough paper on this topic.
            When I stumble upon something like this, it is not remembered, unfortunately, because the authors are utopians or gloomy utopians, and their designs contain a lot of dubious assumptions that endow people for the most part with certain innate qualities or vices that they show in reality is not so pronounced.

            Probably, the degrees of granting freedoms also cannot be absolute, and clearly the PURPOSE in their expansion is not one of the highest. Freedom should not maximally deharmonize and limit people in their daily, important activities for them and in activities of creativity, product creation and relaxation - however, the establishment of these rather simple principles "on paper" will be hampered by the organic craving for "non-freedom" inherent in a number of people, what could be called "patriarchal thinking", often projected from a self-limiting individual to his loved ones or the space with which he interacts. The question is whether the state should and should destroy these "non-freedoms", or whether it is worth limiting itself to the legislative prohibition of the manifestation of outgoing restrictions, or not touching this issue at all - here I still do not have a definite answer.
            Also, a number of individuals have a tendency to hyperliberation and projecting it outward - this is another extreme, also very unpleasant. Hyperliberation does not carry useful properties, also forcing people to hate, despise and establish self-limitations and a principled position (in relation to someone), bypassing the healthy liberal line of the state (as I see it), aimed at the "golden mean" that maximizes such a degree of freedom a person in which he would not experience the harmful effects of the state (and certain groups of the population prone to self-restraint) if he does not conduct objectively harmful activities.
            Similar examples from physics are increased friction as an analogy of unfreedom. Friction contributes to the loss of energy "nowhere", an increase in temperature and a gradual deformation of rubbing objects. Reducing friction increases the efficiency of systems.
            As the antipode of friction, there is "superfluidity" as an analogue of hyperliberation - in the case of superfluidity, parasitic properties of the liquid appear, harmful to the system in which it should (in theory) be beneficial. The fluid ends up where it shouldn't, disorganizing the system and sabotaging its operation.

            I will finish the thought with the fact that I have long come to the conclusion that it is a big mistake to perceive as a kind of axiom the innate ability of people to communicate with each other, build contacts and interaction. To create an effective society of people, it is necessary to TEACH the culture of communication, dispute, interaction, conflict resolution - if not from a nursery, then definitely from the first days of kindergarten. Modern society is deprived of strict and understandable rules of conflict-free and constructive principles of communication, anarchy and a hodgepodge of 100500 different cultures reign here. People stupidly do not hear each other or are rude to each other, not even realizing that they are doing it. In short, we all really lack what could be called "Etiquette", mandatory for public space.

            I got carried away, though. Read about such a thing as the Human Development Index. The value that exists now, according to which the complex of convenience for the development of the personality of all countries of the world is evaluated. Perhaps there will be calculations for some larger work related to creating conditions for development.
            1. +1
              October 23 2022
              Thank you, I'll take a look at the human development index. Yes, the skills of communication and negotiation are not instilled in us either at school or at the university, and often in the family. As a result, some smart people gathered together behave stupidly... This is a serious problem!
    2. 0
      October 21 2022
      Read. What do you suggest? Plant or shoot? Maybe give up? PS We are all aware of our problems. Versions about this darkness.
      1. 0
        October 22 2022
        I do not think that landings and executions can solve the problem.
        If you don't know how to play the bagpipes, you can be thrashed with rods for as long as you want or dipped in a vat of shit - this will not teach you how to play the bagpipes. And here there are two solutions - either you should be taught this in a calm academic environment by those who know how (or if you are the incarnation of Leo Tolstoy and can learn it yourself in such an environment, from books and videos). Or they leave you alone - to do what you know how to do (without harm to others) and those who need it are looking for someone who knows how to play in your place.
        We have a lot of incompetent people - the incompetent above them set insane and vague tasks for them, below them they try to embody their insane and vague tasks. A good plan is always based on a sober perception of the available resources at the very top as well as the tasks ahead, some image of the desired, which will move the plan from point A (today) to point B (tomorrow). And then comes the selection or training of professionals - from top to bottom. And on a transparent, competitive basis. Each key organization is checked "for lice" by itself (PRS) and a special government agency that never sends one person to check the same place twice. The PRS has a picture of the dynamics of the industry and the organization as a whole - it will always be clear from the picture of the dynamics where there are problems. Citizens' complaints are duplicated for the PRS and for special bodies - if the dynamics of complaints about a local organization increases over time, special bodies arrange an audit, as well as an audit of the PRS itself to which this organization belongs - in which the leadership is replaced - and those replaced are demoted ( as a minimum) and judged (as a maximum).
        Here you can write a lot, but the success of everything or the failure of everything comes from Laws, Professionals, a suitable vertical system of Bureaucracy, Competition, Clear criteria for selection and goal setting.
        There are people who fit in, and those who don't. The task of a suitable control system is not to catch and kill devils in order to harvest horns and hooves, but to detect in time and with high quality that a person is out of place in the vertical and is engaged in crap.
  41. 0
    October 20 2022
    Bloomberg columnist: The West should prepare for Russia the fate of post-war Germany or Japan with complete subjugation

    You won't tear your guts?
  42. 0
    October 20 2022
    Why European? I think so, European. The last name speaks volumes.
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  44. 0
    October 20 2022
    Why, despite the small number, I don’t know who the chosen people are, there are so many Russophobes among them? And the richer, the more hatred. Given that the Anglo-Saxons lie under them, they work like viruses.
  45. 0
    October 20 2022
    Many in the West, and not only in Eastern Europe, where Russia is historically feared and considered an aggressor, are confident that Moscow should be “brought to its knees” and subdued in the same way as it was with post-war Germany and Japan.
    The idea is not bad, but how to do it? After all, Germany was brought to its knees by Russia, even if it was then called the USSR. Yes, and Russia / the USSR also defeated the millionth Kwantung Army. If anything, then in 1991 the Russian Federation declared itself the successor of the USSR, and the WHOLE WORLD agreed with this. And by the way, this is Russia, if anything, defeated Napoleon with his all-European army (almost like Hitler's) and took Paris. Who remembers how much there, Great Britain helped us with Lend-Lease. Oh yes, they have Waterloo. 3 Napoleonic regiments, 3 armies won. And how did they send diplomatic notes when our frigate "Aurora" came to the future USA fighting for its independence ... And about how they tried to capture our Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky ... No, of course, it’s not harmful to dream, especially for the descendants of the Teutons and other survivors Normans near Poltava.
  46. -3
    October 20 2022
    What is being done to refute the predictions of this Bershidsky?
    Well, except for spells that this cannot be, because it cannot be.
    The bureaucracy and the bourgeoisie in the Russian Federation are mostly for integration with the West, even at the cost of losing territories and state ambitions.
  47. 0
    October 20 2022
    a person born and raised in Russia ... ceases to be not only Russian, but at least a sane and adequate individual

    firstly, he was never Russian and was not - Leonid Davidovich Bershidsky, father, David Nukhimovich Rosenberg, mother Vera Abramovna Bershidskaya
    these Russophobia at the gene level ...
    secondly, everything that he voiced was not his thoughts, but the goal of the padlo-Saxon masturbation from politics since Soviet times ...
  48. 0
    October 20 2022
    Remember the jackals of the United States, even if one Russian remains, then you are doomed to defeat, you will not even see a semblance of victory, but our Victory will be with salutes and the destruction of all liberalism.
  49. +1
    October 20 2022
    Thus, since 1991, Russia has been under colonial control. The colonialists have already brought up several generations of Russians. Although something went wrong, but this is not the end of the story.
  50. +1
    October 20 2022
    Surprisingly, did this citizen “THIS” somehow scribble on his blog or was it published in Bloomberg? Bloomberg is not the Mirror or the BBC after all.
    And they also say something about Russian journalists and propagandists, here in Bloomberg you have experts of the level of uproots from the Internet, and if you remember all the forecasts of this publication, which came true by a maximum of 10%, Bloomberg is sliding down to the level of BBC, CNN and Russia 24.
    1. 0
      October 20 2022
      No wonder, pumping their public opinion with the installations they need is zombie hamsters. Well, I’m a little ignorant about money so that such a prominent oppositionist doesn’t die of hunger!
  51. 0
    October 20 2022
    and the geyropa has enough strength??? They would have dealt with their homosexuals first....otherwise they decided to defeat RUSSIA.
  52. 0
    October 20 2022
    Bloomberg columnist, half-educated grantjor - We are Gussians, we don’t deceive dgug dgug! (Brother2)
  53. 0
    October 20 2022
    in Eastern Europe, where Russia is historically feared and considered an aggressor
    - as I understand it, these are the countries that are located on Russian lands (I hope that temporarily), hence the fear, because the Russians always come for theirs, somewhere earlier, somewhere later....
  54. 0
    October 20 2022
    Well, Germany and Japan are still under your complete subordination - this is more obvious than ever. But you are unlikely to be able to decide the fate of Russia.
  55. 0
    October 20 2022
    Preparing for Russia the fate of Germany or Japan means creating out of Russia a state with a powerful economy, which one day, and this is not inevitable, will buck under the saddle and throw off its rider! Rus' has never been under saddle for a long time...
  56. +1
    October 20 2022
    There was such a bad person Anton Denikin, a white emigrant general. He wrote to Truman, probably in 46, that the USSR could only be destroyed from the inside, since under the influence of an external threat people would only unite more. As a result, with his advice or not, we all know what happened to our country. This article is very aggressive. I have not read the original source of these two journalists. But apparently they are divorced from reality.
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  58. +1
    October 20 2022
    It is amazing how quickly a person who was born and raised in Russia forgets the lessons of history and ceases to be not only Russian, but at least a sane and adequate individual.

    If this is not originally a Russian person, with principles opposite to Russian ones, then the question must be formulated differently: why, from when and until when will Russia feed strangers who obviously hate it?
  59. +2
    October 20 2022
    Not so long ago, 300 thousand of these Bershitskys left Russia. God forbid they come back.
  60. 0
    October 20 2022
    The author did not formulate it correctly.
    That's right - how quickly such a person becomes a scumbag.
    Apparently it was originally there.
  61. 0
    October 20 2022
    The USA will remain in the Stone Age, and Britain will remain in our memory. At the dawn of mankind, there simply was no Bloomberg.
  62. +1
    October 21 2022
    Why do the most ardent Russophobes and scoundrels come from former Soviet citizens?
  63. +1
    October 21 2022
    there are a lot of mongrels out there!! There have been no car accidents or heart problems for a long time! where are our specialists to calm them down???
  64. +2
    October 21 2022
    Therefore, both the 1917 and 1991 scenarios should be avoided.

    1. Constructive criticism only.
    2. A clear understanding of who the real enemy is.
    3. All efforts for the development of the country.

    In relation to our “elite”, the fifth column, the corrupt oligarchs.
    1. There is an understanding that they used the country’s resource primarily for their own benefit.
    It's sad, but human nature is weak.
    2. The main problem of ineffective managers is their real zero productivity. They have shown their inability to fulfill the country's development goals. Therefore, we need to look for working approaches for the development of the country, starting with school education, and right up to special technology development groups.
    3. These problems should not be solved by methods of terror, repression, executions, God forbid.
    If it doesn't work, move aside. Give way to those who can solve problems.

    In relation to the supreme power.
    Our enemies are just waiting for them to follow the path of Gaddafi, Hussein, and Nicholas II.
    Despite all the shortcomings, in wartime you need to remain faithful to the existing government. Especially the officers.
    Again, no one can cancel fair criticism; we have freedom of speech.
  65. 0
    October 21 2022
    Somewhere I have already read the following: some former compatriots who once left the country to the west still hold a grudge in their hearts against their country. For what - for everything that didn’t work out here and there (over the hill), for your hopes that didn’t come true. This blackness devours them and forces them to spill out everything that hurts. It is people like these who act as the most CRUEL judges of their former country... And what such people propose to do can only be thought up by the most cruel enemy of your country.
  66. +4
    October 21 2022
    V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin called such people briefly, but very succinctly - Political Prostitute.
    PS: The article is an ordinary custom-made stuffing with the aim of clarifying the mood of the average person and creating a semantic background before NATO’s “official” entry into the war. But in fact, they have been there for a long time. The flow of funerals and coffins already needs to be somehow explained, as well as the loss of military equipment. Journalists little-known publications, the top ones are simply silenced right on the air (some simply disappear), they are already talking about it directly. A significant event will be the appearance of strike aircraft and modern NATO tanks in/in Ukraine. Noteworthy is the flashed news from Rosatom about the resumption of nuclear power production shells of 152 and 205 mm caliber. It is impossible to track such ammunition from the sky. A cold lotion on the heads of politicians, in the conflict zone there are more than enough self-propelled guns of these calibers. The hysteria of the West about nuclear strikes on their troops did not arise out of nowhere.
  67. -1
    October 21 2022
    These political scientists, do they really think that the warheads of our missiles will carefully avoid them? Like, Soviet pilots bombed Berlin carefully, they knew that Stirlitz was there. Do these guys think that nothing will arrive? Personally, I will greatly disappoint them in this. When they evaporate in thermonuclear plasma, it will be too late to drink Borjomi.
  68. 0
    October 21 2022
    Here is an example of typical scum - the heirs of the “saint” A.D. Sakharov! It was precisely such nits who “disinterestedly” hated and first destroyed their Motherland - the USSR, and now they want to do the same to Russia! No, Stalin was right - it is imperative to regularly “cleanse” the country, and especially these “leaders of public opinion”!
  69. 0
    October 21 2022
    Since when is a person named Bershidsky Russian?
  70. 0
    October 21 2022
    What kind of “Russian” is he?! The surname is the most Polish. And my head is completely empty. He accidentally or deliberately “does not take into account” that Germany and Japan did not have their own resources. This is what caused their defeat. In order to deprive Russia of its resources, it is necessary to strike its territory. With all the ensuing consequences for such a “drummer”.
  71. 0
    October 21 2022
    ridiculed
    . There is “one snag” preventing the repetition of this plan.
    ...yes, in the process it’s not a snag, but a reinforced concrete pile...mah...it’s working out its stupidity to the fullest.
  72. VB
    0
    October 21 2022
    Firstly, he is Jewish, not Russian, which explains a lot. And secondly, there is an injection with an umbrella, or better yet an ice ax. Only Russian authorities, lackeys of the West. They are not capable, they are impotent, and EVERYONE in the West has a stash.
  73. 0
    October 21 2022
    Quote: alexmach
    What kind of heresy are you talking about. I open the composition of the first Council of People's Commissars and see there already one Jew, one of 13 people. They really came to power and began to oppress the Russians.

    State The coup of 17 was called the Jewish revolution.
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  75. 0
    October 21 2022
    Well, who is this nonsense aimed at? Then I read the name Bershidsky and, without any nationalism, realized that an ordinary traitor to his homeland with Polish roots, while working off his rations, writes about the dreams of an offended boy - for his big uncle to beat his offender. It's funny that this nonsense is published in a major publication.
  76. 0
    October 21 2022
    Bershidsky believes that the West needs to ignore Putin's threats and use its soldiers directly on the battlefield. Without this, Russia cannot be pacified

    If I were the Western commanders, I would listen to the voice of the crying one and still send my soldiers to Ukraine, but be sure to be in the forefront of ALL who zealously called for such actions. I understand that I’m an idealist, but I really want to restore order in the camp of the former whining traitors at once!
  77. 0
    October 22 2022
    .... now the Western allies are trying to repeat in relation to the Russian Federation the scenario that was implemented to subjugate Germany and Japan after World War II. However,...


    Totally sick. There are no words.
  78. 0
    October 22 2022
    Quote: tihonmarine
    If you lived in the USSR in the 60s, then you remember very well that there was no anti-Semitism at the level of ordinary people

    Well, I lived. Everyday anti-Semitism existed. Either in a Cossack town on the Don or in Leningrad. In response, they received the typical behavior of the national diaspora - they dragged their own people and spat on the rest. Nothing happens without reasons. And what is the chicken here and what is the egg, I will not undertake to say.
    All nations are Nazis. And the worse things go, the more Nazism there is. Someone is to blame, not us, obviously someone else. We must understand this and prevent the most vile manifestations. It will not be possible to get rid of it completely.
  79. 0
    October 22 2022
    No one can defeat Russia. Because it is impossible to understand us.
  80. 0
    October 24 2022
    If you continue to play at liberalism and finance the conditional EchoMoscow and not engage in school education. Then we ourselves will fall apart.

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