Imjin War. Battle for the sea

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Imjin War. Battle for the sea

When planning the Korean campaign, Toyotomi Hideyoshi did not take into account one important circumstance - the Koreans had a strong naval fleet. Unlike the land army, he had extensive experience in dealing with Japanese pirates, so the Korean sailors had an idea about the tactics of a potential enemy. In a situation where most of Korea was occupied by a strong and cruel enemy, it was the Korean fleet that managed to turn the tide of hostilities. The man who put an end to Hideyoshi's ambitious plans was Admiral Li Sunshin (1545–1598).

The biography of the future national hero of Korea was dramatic, replete with ups and downs. Li Sunxing could not boast of favorable starting conditions for a career - his grandfather, who belonged to the court group of Confucian reformers, was convicted on false charges of treason and expelled from the palace in disgrace. The family was considered politically unreliable and lived in poverty. Nevertheless, thanks to the efforts of his father, Lee Sun-sin was able to receive a decent education.

His childhood friend was Yu Sungnyeon, who later became a high-ranking official in the kingdom. In the future, Yu Songnyeon will promote the appointment of Lee Sunsin to the post of admiral, and his intercession will save the illustrious military leader from death.

Coming from an unreliable family, Yi Sun-sin could not qualify for the role of a civil official, but could choose military service, which was considered less prestigious in Confucian Korea. He learned the basics of military affairs at the Royal Military Academy in Seoul, after which he tried to pass the state exam for an officer's rank. The first attempt was unsuccessful - during the surrender of horse archery, Lee fell off his horse and broke his leg.



Despite the pain, he bandaged his leg with willow bark on his own, mounted his horse, and completed the exercise. The exam was not counted, but the stamina and perseverance of the young cadet amazed the examiners. At the age of 32, during a second attempt, he successfully passed the exam and was able to start a military career. The young officer was sent to serve on the border with Manchuria, where nomadic Jurchen tribes raided the border regions of Korea. Later, Li served in the south of the country, where he led the naval base.

Having deeply learned the principles of Confucianism, Li Sunxing did not tolerate bribery and nepotism and made many enemies for himself. Lee's detractors among colleagues and senior officials were able to get him fired by accusing him of negligence in the line of duty. But it soon became clear that the charges were falsified, and Li Sunsin was able to continue his military career. Soon he was transferred to the northeastern province of Hamgyongdo, where he began his military service.

Repelling the raids of the militant Jurchens, Li Songxing showed military abilities and personal courage. However, a new test soon awaited him. After an unexpected attack by the Jurchens on one of the border forts and the death of its garrison, the commander Li Il, who feared punishment for his miscalculations that led to the tragedy, laid the blame for what had happened on Li Songsin. He was threatened with the death penalty, but by virtue of his merits they saved his life and demoted him to the rank and file.

A few months later, Li Sunxing was able to distinguish himself again on the battlefield, and Li Il's abuses became known at court, as a result of which all military ranks were returned to our hero, and his good name was restored.

In 1591, Yi Songsin was appointed commander of a part of the fleet that defended Jeolla Province. Assuming a new position, he showed himself to be an energetic organizer and almost immediately began to restore the forts and strengthen the bays. But the admiral paid the greatest attention to strengthening the battle fleet and training sailors and officers.


Monument to Admiral Lee Sunsin in Seoul

On the eve of the war, the naval forces covering the two southern provinces of Korea - Jeollado and Gyeongsangdo, consisted of four parts, led by their own commanders. The shores of the southeastern province of Gyeongsangdo were defended by the flotilla of the left semiprovince of Gyeongsangdo, led by Pak Khon (eastern) and the flotilla of the right semiprovince of Gyeongsangdo (western) under the command of Won Gyun. The defense of the southwestern province of Jeollado from the sea was built on the same principle. The flotilla of the right semi-province was led by Li Okki, and the flotilla of the left was led by Li Sunsin.

With a strong navy, the Koreans could prevent the Japanese from landing and destroy them at sea, but events went according to a different scenario.

The appearance of the Japanese armada near Busan took the commanders of the Gyeongsang Province fleet by surprise. Pak Hong and Won Gyun, with a total of more than 250 warships, silently watched what was happening, in no way preventing the Japanese from landing on Korean soil. Finally, Pak's nerves could not stand it, he ordered to flood his ships, and he disappeared. Won Gyun also acted cowardly. Only four ships survived from the numerous fleet of Gyeongsang Province, and such catastrophic losses were caused not by the skillful actions of the enemy, but solely by the cowardice and incompetence of their own commanders.

With the pitiful remnants of his flotilla, Won Gyun hid in one of the bays that abound on the southern coast of Korea, and sent a letter to his colleague Lee Sung-sin, pleading for help. Despite Vaughn's desperate pleas, Li was in no hurry to engage in battle with the Japanese fleet. In an effort to better prepare for a meeting with the enemy, Lee Sunsin considered it necessary to collect intelligence information about the intentions and movements of the Japanese. In addition, he wanted to form a combined fleet with Lee Okka's flotilla, which would allow him to have 90 warships on hand. Finally, before going into battle with the enemy, Li Sunxin had to be sure of the morale of his subordinates. The admiral stopped the defeatist mood with an iron fist: several people who tried to desert were executed, and their heads were put on public display.

However, on June 12, the day the Japanese troops entered Seoul, Lee Sunsin suddenly received an order from King Seongjo to join forces with Won Gyun. The next day, Lee Sun-sin left the harbor of the port of Yeosu and moved with his flotilla to the east.

Korean Navy


Before talking about the fighting at sea, we should briefly mention what the opposing fleets were like.

For the invasion of Korea, Hideyoshi assembled an impressive fleet of about 1 ships and 000 crew members. However, most of it was made up of transport ships designed to transport warriors, and not for naval combat. Even warships were armed with very few guns and could not compete with Korean ships. The commanders in charge of the Japanese fleet had little or no naval experience. The only exceptions were people from among the Japanese pirates (wako), but there were few of them, since shortly before the war, the Japanese ruler launched an active struggle to eradicate piracy. In an effort to strengthen his fleet, back in 1586, Hideyoshi, through the mediation of Catholic missionaries operating in Japan, tried to get two ships from Portugal along with teams to go to China and Korea, but was refused. As a result, the fleet remained the weak link in Hideyoshi's armed forces.

The Korean navy proved to be much better prepared for war than the land army. The constant attacks of Japanese pirates on the coastal regions of Korea led to the fact that a significant part of the sailors and commanders had either combat experience or a general idea of ​​​​the enemy with whom they were to fight. The need to have a combat-ready fleet also stimulated the development of shipbuilding in Korea.

At the start of the war, the main type of warship in the Korean Navy was phanokson. It was a flat-bottomed galley-type vessel with a length of 15 to 35 meters. The total crew size was 125 people. On the lower deck of the ship were rowers and drummers, while on the upper deck there were armed fighters - archers, gunners and officers. The upper deck served as a roof for the rowers, protecting them from the arrows and spears of the enemy. The flat bottom of the ship allowed him to quickly maneuver, and the high sides made it difficult to board the ship.


Phanokseong is the most common warship in the Korean Navy.

An important role in the naval battles that took place in the coastal waters of the Korean Peninsula was played by cobuxons ("turtle ships"). They were first mentioned in the Annals of the Joseon Dynasty in 1413, but on the eve of the war, Yi Sunsin, with the help of a skilled designer Na Daeyong, was able to improve this type of ship.

We don't know exactly what it looked like. kobukson, however, two descriptions of this ship are most credible. The first of them belongs to the pen of Lee Sunsin himself. In one of his reports to the king, he described him as follows:

Earlier, your obedient servant, assuming that the barbarians from the islands could cause trouble, ordered to make a turtle ship. It has a dragon's head on its nose, through the mouth of which you can shoot a cannon. It has iron spikes on its roof. From the inside, a good overview is provided, while what is happening inside is securely hidden from those on the outside.

Another description was left by Li Pun, Admiral Li's nephew:

We have built a new warship as big as the phanokson...
A passage in the form of a cross was left on the upper deck. The rest of the deck is strewn with iron spikes that will prevent the enemy from landing for boarding ...
The nose is made in the form of a dragon's head, and the steering wheel is made in the form of a turtle's tail. On both sides of the dragon's head there is a gun port, 6 more are located on each side. It is called Kobukson for its shape ...

Thus, according to the descriptions made by Lee and his nephew, the prow of the ship was shaped like a dragon's head, and at least one medium-sized cannon was installed inside it. The deck of the kobukson was covered with a canopy shaped like a turtle shell, equipped with sharp iron spikes, which made it much more difficult to board the ship. On the sides there were 12 holes in which it was possible to install guns. In total, the "turtle ship" was supposedly armed with 30-40 guns.

Many authors claim that the deck roof that protected the ship from boarding was covered with iron sheets, and on this basis they conclude that the Koreans were the first in the world stories armadillos were used. The metal covering of the deck can also be seen on the models of kobukson made by modern Korean reenactors. However, firstly, cases of building ships sheathed with metal plates have happened before.

In particular, in 1578, the famous Japanese commander Oda Nobunaga ordered the construction of six ships with iron-plated sides and equipped with artillery and used them in the battle against the Mori clan that opposed him then. Secondly, there is no indication in the above evidence that cobuxons had metal armor. Many modern researchers believe that their armor was thick wooden boards that reliably protected the ship from bullets and arrows and even cannonballs, and not iron plates.


Modern reconstruction of the kobukson. Republic of Korea War Memorial in Seoul. Author's photo

Like the Chinese, the Koreans paid great attention to naval artillery. In total, there were five types of guns on Korean ships. In battle, cannons fired iron cannonballs, stones and grapeshot at the enemy. "Sky Guns"cheongja) could shoot giant wooden arrows with iron tips. Sometimes these were fiery arrows fired to set fire to enemy ships.

Thus, unlike the land army, the Korean fleet was a fairly serious force.

Leaving Yeosu, Li Sunxin led 39 warships under his command (24 panoksona and 15 narrow-deck ships hopson), as well as 46 small boats that performed reconnaissance functions. Linking up with the remnants of Won Gyun's fleet, Lee moved east along Geojedo Island. Suddenly, scouts reported that a Japanese fleet had been seen in the Okpo harbor in the east of the island. It was here that the first naval battle of this war took place.

Approaching Okpo, the Koreans found over 50 enemy transport ships in the bay. As he lined up his fleet for battle, Yi Sunxin placed the large ships in the center and the smaller ships on the flanks, and gave the order to attack. Most of the Japanese at that moment were on the shore, where they were plundering a nearby village. The invaders burned the village houses, and because of the smoke rising over the village, they did not notice the Korean ships until they were visible from the shore. Taken by surprise, the Japanese rushed to their ships, trying to escape on them. The Koreans took the enemy in pincers and brought down a hail of cannonballs and fiery arrows on enemy ships.

The Japanese responded with volleys from muskets, but this weapon, so effective on land, turned out to be powerless against well-defended phanoxons. The Japanese could not take the Korean ships for boarding, since the heavy fire of the Korean artillery in the bud stopped any attempts by the Japanese ships to approach. The fire of the Korean guns disabled one enemy ship after another. Many Japanese were killed, the survivors got ashore and hid in the surrounding forest.


Battle of Okpo. Images from the TV series "Chinbirok: Imjin War" (Episode 19, 2015)

In the evening of the same day, five more Japanese ships were discovered in the Hapho area. Four of them were burned by Korean cannonballs and fire arrows. By the end of the day, 26 Japanese ships were destroyed, while the Koreans had no losses.

The next morning, Yi Sun-sin ran into a small Japanese squadron of 13 ships and destroyed 11 of them. This victory, like the previous one, also went to the Koreans easily and without any losses. The victors captured rich booty, including armor and ornate samurai helmets. Part of the trophies was sent to the royal court along with a message of victory.

After the victory, Yi Sun-sin returned with his fleet to his naval base in Yeosu in order to rest the Korean sailors and reorganize their forces.

The defeats of the Japanese at sea showed the Japanese that the Korean fleet was by no means out of the game and posed a serious threat. In early July, the command of the Japanese fleet decided to destroy the forces of Li Songsin. Having learned about the intentions of the enemy, the admiral did not wait until the Japanese gathered strength, and opposed them with only 23 ships. This time he brought with him one kobukson. Soon the turtle ship was to have a baptism of fire. On the way, Lee was joined by three ships under the command of Won Gyun.

On July 8, 1592, Yi Sun-sin and Won Gyun discovered the Japanese fleet near the port of Sacheon. It consisted of 50 ships, including 12 combat ships. The Japanese soldiers set up fortified positions on the rocks overlooking the bay. The command post of the commander of the Japanese fleet was also located there.

Thus, the Japanese fleet, stationed in the bay, could count on active fire support from land. Under these conditions, an attack on the Japanese positions could lead to heavy losses of the Korean fleet. Then the admiral decided to lure the enemy into the open sea, playing on his self-confidence.

A small part of Lee's fleet rushed towards the bay and then turned back. The Japanese regarded this maneuver as a flight. The Japanese soldiers left their fortified positions and boarded the ships to pursue the fleeing, as it seemed to them, enemy. Seeing that his trick worked, and the Japanese were in the kill zone, the Korean admiral ordered to attack the enemy. First to fight kobukson. The turtle ship broke through the center of the enemy fleet and unleashed a flurry of cannonballs and arrows on the Japanese ships, sowing panic and death. The attempts of the Japanese to board him were unsuccessful, since the fire of the Korean artillery did not allow them to get closer. The fierceness of the battle is evidenced by a report sent by Li Sunsin to the royal court:

Urging the oarsmen, I rushed the flagship to attack the enemy ships. The ships of my commanders gathered around like a thundercloud, showering the enemy with a hail of bullets, short and long arrows, arrow-shaped projectiles, incendiary arrows and cannonballs from "heaven" and "earth". Each warrior gave his all. The noise of battle shook heaven and earth. It was impossible to count those enemies who fell on their backs, slain, or hobbled, crawled away, carrying their wounded, or simply fled from the battlefield.

During the battle, Admiral Lee was wounded in the left shoulder by a bullet from an enemy musket. Despite being wounded, Li Sunxin continued to lead the battle. Only when the battle ended with the complete victory of the Korean fleet, the admiral, according to one version, personally removed the bullet from the wound with a dagger. However, according to Li Sunsin himself, "the bullet entered the left shoulder and exited through the back." One way or another, the wound was not fatal and did not affect the outcome of the battle. All Japanese ships that left the bay were destroyed in the battle.

The Battle of Sacheon was followed by a series of victories by Yi Sun-sin. In the battle of Tanpo, the admiral defeated a Japanese squadron of 21 ships. In this battle kobukson again broke the enemy formation, shooting from cannons and ramming Japanese ships. During the battle, the captain of one of the Korean ships, Kwon Chun, shot the commander of the Japanese squadron, Kurushima Michiyuki, with a bow. The death of the commander caused panic among the Japanese soldiers and put them to flight.

Soon, the fleet of Lee Sunsin and Won Gyun joined forces with Lee Okki's squadron and launched a new attack on the Japanese. In Tanhanpo Bay, the Koreans discovered a squadron of 26 Japanese ships. Using the same feigned retreat tactics as in the Battle of Sacheon, Yi Sun-sin was able to lure the enemy ships out of the bay into the open sea and destroy them all.

Despite the continued failure of the Koreans on land, in the third month of the war, their fleet, after a series of victories, was able to achieve dominance at sea. And although the Japanese troops fought successfully in the north of Korea and had already captured Pyongyang, they could not continue the campaign without the supply of rice and gunpowder. Since the beginning of the war, thousands of Japanese soldiers have died and been wounded in action, either out of action due to illness or left behind as garrisons in strategically important fortresses. Accordingly, the corps of Konishi and Kuroda, operating in the north, needed to be replenished in order to be able to withstand the numerous Chinese troops.

The 700-kilometer route from Pusan ​​to Pyongyang, running mainly through mountainous terrain, was extremely inconvenient for a huge army with large supplies of provisions. The only effective supply route for Japanese troops in northwest Korea was through the Yellow Sea, which washed the Korean Peninsula from the west. However, the southwestern province of Jeollado was still not conquered by the Japanese. The victories of Li Sunsin at sea did not allow the Japanese fleet to break through during the Yellow Time and thereby jeopardized the supply of Japanese troops in the north, which created serious problems for the further plans of Hideyoshi and his generals.

In less than two months of fighting at sea, the Korean Navy destroyed or captured more than 100 Japanese ships. Thousands of Japanese found their deaths or were injured. During the same time, the Koreans lost only 11 killed and 26 wounded and not a single ship. Such successful actions at sea contrast sharply with a series of defeats in a land war.

How can one explain the Korean victories at sea? It would be a mistake to reduce them solely to the Korean "wonder weapon" - kobuksonsespecially since there were only a few of them. The main reason for the victories of the Korean fleet was the fact that Lee Sunsin managed to tactically outplay the enemy.

During the period of the Japanese Unification Wars, naval battles were rare, so Japanese ships served primarily as a vehicle for transporting fighters. In a naval battle, the Japanese tried to get as close as possible to enemy ships in order to board them. In boarding combat, the Japanese samurai would most likely have prevailed due to their high individual military skill, so the tactics of the Korean naval commander was to shoot enemy ships with cannons from a safe distance. As mentioned above, the artillery armament of the Japanese ships was extremely weak, as a result of which the Koreans shot the Japanese as if in a shooting range, incurring minimal losses themselves.

Another advantage of the Koreans was the greater centralization of command. Being the commander of the flotilla of the left semi-province of Jeollado in the first days of the war, during the fighting, Lee Sunsin became the de facto leader of the entire Korean fleet, which was also recognized by the royal court. At the same time, the Japanese fleet was divided into a number of squadrons, each of which operated independently. Among their commanders, there was no figure that could even closely compete with Yi Sunxing, both in authority and in naval talents.

The bloody waters of Hansando Island


Hideyoshi, having learned about the failures of the Japanese fleet, was furious. Admirals of the Japanese fleet - Kuki Yoshitaka, Kato Yoshiaki and Wakizaka Yasuharu received an order from an angry ruler to unite their squadrons and defeat Li Sunsin. But Wakizaka decided to act on his own, without looking back at his colleagues, and without waiting for them, he moved from Pusan ​​to the west. Probably, the impatient admiral did not want to share the laurels of the winner with anyone. Under the command of Wakizaki there were 73 ships - 36 large multi-deck ships atakebune, 24 medium warships sekebune, 13 reconnaissance vessels kobaya.

Atakebune were large ships and were armed with many guns. The hull of the ship was sheathed with thick boards, in which loopholes were made for cannons, arquebusiers and archers. Medium warship sekebune was a smaller version atakebune, but, unlike the latter, was sharp-nosed. Crew sekebune consisted of 40 rowers, 30 soldiers, one cannon crew and 20 arquebusiers.


Japanese warships atakebune and sekebune

At that time, Korean ships were stationed in the bay of Hansando Island. The combined fleet of Lee Sunsin, Won Gyun and Lee Okki was 56 ships, including 3 kobukson. Upon learning that the enemy fleet was in the Gyeongneryang Strait between the Korean Peninsula and the island of Geojedo, Admiral Won Gyun, inspired by previous victories, offered to immediately attack the enemy. However, Li Sunsin, not without reason, feared that in the narrow strait, Korean ships might collide with each other or run into numerous rocks or reefs. Instead, Lee decided to lure the Japanese out to sea and give them a fight near Hansando Island, where the Korean ships could maneuver freely.

On the morning of August 14, Lee sent 6 phanoxons forward to lure the Japanese into a trap. When the ships were within sight of the Japanese fleet, they turned back and began to retreat rapidly. The bait worked - the glory-hungry Wakizaka Yasuharu ordered the pursuit to begin. When the Japanese ships appeared on the high seas, Li Sunsin ordered the fleet to line up in the "crane wing" battle formation. Heavy ships were placed in the center, while light ships were on the flanks. When everything was ready for the meeting, Admiral Lee gave the order to attack. More maneuverable Korean ships began to flank the Japanese, pouring arrows and cannonballs on them.

Meanwhile three kobukson, which constituted the center, dealt a crushing blow. They smashed Japanese ships to pieces, shooting them with cannons. Phanoksons from the flanks, enemy ships were also fired from cannons, preventing them from approaching for a boarding battle. The weak naval guns of the Japanese could not withstand the Korean naval artillery. Japanese ships burned with bright flames. Only with the onset of darkness, Li Sunsin ordered to stop the battle, which by that time had turned into a beating of a demoralized enemy.

Realizing that the battle was lost, Wakizaka Yasuharu fled the battlefield in a small, fast boat. Two relatives of the Japanese admiral fell in battle, several arrows hit Wakizaku himself, and only the shell saved him from death. The arrogance of the naval commander cost the Japanese dearly: of the 73 ships they had at the beginning of the battle, only 14 managed to escape. 59 ships were destroyed or captured by the Koreans.


Site of the Battle of Hansando. Modern look

Literally a few hours after the battle, Wakizaki's colleagues, Kuki Yoshitaka and Kato Yoshiaki, received news of the defeat near Hansando. They immediately sailed from Busan and anchored off Angolpo. Here they were joined by the remnants of Wakizaki Yasuharu's fleet. On August 16, Yi Sun-sin with the fleet approached the Angolpo Bay and again lined up his fleet with a "crane wing". He was opposed by 42 enemy ships stationed in the harbor. A direct attack did not promise success, since the Japanese built earthen fortifications on the shore and could support their ships with artillery fire from land, and the water in the bay itself was too shallow.

Lee Sun-sin tried to use a trick that repeatedly brought him success - to lure the Japanese into the open sea. However, the disaster near Hansando sobered up the Japanese commanders, and they did not react in any way to the Korean false attack and retreat. Tactics had to be changed. Lee Sun-sin wrote:

For lack of other means, he ordered that the captains of the ships in the column enter the bay one by one and fire at a hurricane from the “sky”, “earth” and “quiet” guns, as well as from bows with long and short arrows. The shelling was successful: the losses of the Japanese were horrendous. According to the admiral, "almost all the enemies who were on a large ship with a three-tier tower and ships with two-tier towers were soon killed or wounded."

On the part of the Japanese, the Nihon-maru, which served as the flagship, took part in the battle. He commanded the ship Kuki Yoshitaka.

The Shima-gunki chronicle, which represents the Japanese view of the battle, says that the Nihon-maru was decorated with a "mountain Horai" - a Shinto decoration named after the sacred mountain, which was a brocade curtain. The curtain served not only as a decoration, but also played a practical role, it stopped arrows. During the battle, the Nihon-maru was attacked by Korean ships. The Japanese chronicle says this:

When burning arrows flew at us, we began to dump them into the sea, so the ship suffered no damage. They fired at us from their hands with halfbows [a short Korean composite bow], which pierced the three-layer curtain up to the second layer, so that the arrows were stuck only in the third layer. Then they drew closer and began to fire their cannons, making a six-foot hole in the side of the Nihon-maru. But the carpenters quickly patched up the hole, preventing the water from flooding the ship.


The ship "Nihon-maru" is fighting with kobukson

At the same time, many Japanese managed to escape. Japanese sailors and soldiers who survived the battle landed on the shore. Li Sunsin ordered that several Japanese ships be left unscathed. He motivated this decision by the fact that the Japanese, deprived of the means to save themselves, could recoup the local defenseless Korean population. In an effort also to avoid senseless losses among his soldiers and sailors, the admiral ordered to stop the battle and withdraw to the open sea. When the Korean ships returned to the bay at dawn, they found that the surviving Japanese had fled on the remaining ships.

Thus, none of the civilians suffered. The losses of the Koreans, as in previous naval battles, were negligible - not a single ship was lost. The defeat at Hansando and Angolpo cost the Japanese hundreds of ships and 9 men, while the Koreans lost only 000 killed and 19 wounded. Soon after receiving disturbing news of the Japanese army's invasion of Jeolla Province, Admiral Lee ordered his fleet to return to his main naval base at Yeosu.


The city of Yeosu, which served as the naval base for Li Songsin's fleet. Modern look

The naval campaign led by Yi Sun-sin in the summer of 1592 was an undoubted triumph for Korean weapons. The actions of the admiral nullified the successes of the Japanese army, as the Koreans were able to cut off its supply.

For Li Sunsin himself, these victories were the first step on the way to the glory of the country's savior and national hero.

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  1. +19
    21 October 2022 05: 51
    The Order of Admiral Lee Sun-Sin is the state award of North Korea. The appearance of the order and its award concept were copied from the Order of Nakhimov, the state award of the USSR. The order was awarded to servicemen of the Korean People's Navy during the Korean War. The order has two degrees.
  2. +13
    21 October 2022 06: 21
    Interesting ... The author - categorically continue!
    1. +10
      21 October 2022 11: 39
      Thank you) To be continued soon.
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        21 October 2022 19: 56
        With pleasure, I say thanks personally to the Author!
        The only thing is that after the freezing of the quote, the paragraph with the text was apparently lost, but that's okay. Sorry for the boredom.
  3. +12
    21 October 2022 07: 39
    Good morning friends!

    The most interesting story of the "relationships" between Korea and Japan is absolutely wonderfully presented. Any nation can be proud of such naval commanders as Lee Sunshin, although he repeated himself, for the fourth time the trick of trapping the enemy did not pass, despite the stupid self-confidence and snobbery of the samurai. And the Korean admiral used the "Crane Wing" tactic twice in a row. Interestingly, if you happen to repeat it for the third time, will it work? But, nevertheless, the Japanese were beaten and repeatedly, with which I congratulate the Korean comrades. smile

    Imjin War 1592 - 1598 - Page 6 - History of Korea.
    . In a boarding battle, the Japanese samurai would most likely have prevailed due to the high individual military skill,

    Yes, but the Japanese did not have truly "sea samurai" in the command staff of their fleet, so their land thinking ruined them. But the British, though a little later, declared that their army was only the tip of the spear, which is the fleet. And Japan, after all, is also an island state, but they didn’t finish it. request

    Another version of the battle "Nihon-maru" with kobukson

    Another Japanese boat. Very funny, but they fought on such, really bad ...
    1. +9
      21 October 2022 10: 00
      Here, I found this scene that I wanted to find Vlad yesterday. Probably, this is the same series, a frame from which the author used in the article. Epic! Yes Kobukson is ramming at the speed of the Titanic. fellow



      Author - thanks for the article! good
      1. +12
        21 October 2022 10: 16
        Thank you for your feedback. This is not a series. This is the South Korean film "Battle of Hansan Island", released this year, dedicated to the battle of Hansando. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
        1. +4
          21 October 2022 10: 27
          This is not a series. This is the South Korean film "Battle of Hansan Island", released this year, dedicated to the battle of Hansando.

          Good morning Alexander! And I thought it Images from the TV series "Chinbirok: Imjin War" (Episode 19, 2015).
          Now while I was looking, I flipped through a bunch of Korean and Japanese collections. The cinematography is spectacular and somewhat idiosyncratic. I'll have to watch Clouds Over the Hills sometime. what
      2. Fat
        +6
        21 October 2022 10: 18
        Greetings Nikolay. support and join
        Author - thanks for the article! good

        A very high-quality article from, I hope, a wonderful cycle
        Looking forward to the promised sequel? smile
        1. +10
          21 October 2022 10: 27
          Thanks for the high rating. There will definitely be a sequel wink
        2. +5
          21 October 2022 10: 29
          Looking forward to the promised sequel?

          Greetings, Andrey Borisovich! Of course! May the buddhas and kami help the author in highlighting the difficult Japanese-Korean relations! drinks
          1. Fat
            +8
            21 October 2022 10: 42
            Leave it, Nicholas. Or Andrey or, if desired, Borisych. bully
            In the end, how many letters are read, how many pages are turned over.
            And... Yes, an explanatory text is always doubly pleasant, not from "MATEROV" but, as it were, "third-party". I hope Alexander will continue to indulge readers with excellent material.
            It worked out well. And then Shpakovsky almost moved to TV, Ryzhov is squeezing out of himself a drop a week. And our hero did not publish anything at all for almost a year.
            And here - such a luxury drinks
            1. +6
              21 October 2022 10: 51
              And our hero did not publish anything at all for almost a year.

              Are you talking about Anton? wink I agree, filonite! laughing
              And here - such a luxury

              I also agree. Good luck Alexander in his work!
              1. +9
                21 October 2022 11: 24
                “How much better Yermolova would have played in the evening if she had stood at the grinding machine during the day!” (c).
              2. Fat
                +6
                21 October 2022 11: 40
                Actually, I meant Eduard Vashchenko, but Anton didn’t give anything about walks on the water for a long time what drinks
                1. +4
                  21 October 2022 18: 09
                  Yes, I didn’t give anything about walks at all ... I’m more of a “gloomy, dirty, hackneyed Middle Ages”.
                  Hello Borisych!
                  1. Fat
                    +4
                    21 October 2022 18: 28
                    A plague on both your houses, How could I not write when I have yours. Ahem ... Traces .... Anton, I have no complaints, I just remember.
                    1. +3
                      21 October 2022 18: 49
                      A plague on both your houses
                      In the production of the Yakut Drama Theater, this phrase sounds like this: "A plague on both of your chu'ma!"
                      And I, remember, sent you a book by Andrey Martyanov "Walks in the Middle Ages." So, this is not mine! Although, without false modesty, at some points I have more knowledge than he does.
              3. +3
                21 October 2022 16: 39
                Are you talking about Anton? wink I agree, filonite!
                Anton is in the process of deep immersion in the era.
                1. +2
                  21 October 2022 18: 38
                  Anton is in the process of deep immersion in the era.

                  Just don't dive in completely. wink And then in a parallel universe, Peter III took Denmark, and now Nikolai Coster-Waldau wrote the first article on VO there, and you play cool and noble golden knights on the TV screen! hi
                  It's a friendly joke, Knight! wink drinks
                  1. +1
                    21 October 2022 19: 09
                    in a parallel universe, Peter III did take Denmark,
                    You will be surprised, but there is such an "alternative"! One of my favorite alternative writers. I can throw it off, but I only have it in txt format.
                    1. +2
                      21 October 2022 19: 17
                      I can throw it off, but I only have it in txt format.

                      You have said. I'm not very interested in the alternative. It's like reasoning "If my grandmother had a beard and a penis, she would be a grandfather." Any graphomaniac will write, alas. request
                      1. +2
                        21 October 2022 19: 25
                        Any graphomaniac will write, alas.
                        Now you just spat into the soul of "Andrey from Chelyabinsk"!
                      2. +3
                        21 October 2022 19: 54
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Now you just spat into the soul of "Andrey from Chelyabinsk"!

                        And not only to him am
                      3. +1
                        21 October 2022 19: 57
                        And not only to him
                        By the way, yes! Starting with Mark Twain...
                      4. +1
                        22 October 2022 11: 31
                        And not only to him

                        Guys, Ivan and Anton, forgive me for the oxymoron sincerely. I didn't put it that way. Unfortunately, in our age of information technology and the fast Internet, many people with a creative desire got a chance to express their own thoughts. I systematically appear in advertising references to any alternative literature. There are some very good things. There is fantasy. But there is a frank delirium in the plot. And in some ways, I think, it’s easier to write this way - for example, to send men with an easel machine gun to the 13th century against the knights according to the plot. I have seen this kind of work.

                        I did not want to go through the work of Andrei from Chelyabinsk, I did not read it. Moreover, Andrei is a literate and savvy guy, I think he won’t write shit.
                        And, of course, a quality alternative has every right to write and read. hi
                    2. +3
                      21 October 2022 19: 54
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      in a parallel universe, Peter III did take Denmark,
                      You will be surprised, but there is such an "alternative"! One of my favorite alternative writers. I can throw it off, but I only have it in txt format.

                      Who is this and what kind of novel is this?
                      1. +1
                        21 October 2022 19: 59
                        Kuznetsov Vladislav Arturovich
                        "Wings of the Empire"
                      2. +2
                        21 October 2022 20: 06
                        I remember, thanks.
                        Feathered alien)))
                      3. +1
                        21 October 2022 20: 23
                        I don’t know about you, Ivan, but I got it! A very unusual "hit"!
                      4. Fat
                        +2
                        21 October 2022 22: 07
                        I read But more and more Zlotnikov comes. His hitmen are competent managers, And his General-Admiral, I simply ate more and squealed with pleasure wassat
            2. +4
              21 October 2022 15: 41
              Thanks for the positive feedback. There will definitely be a sequel.
      3. +6
        21 October 2022 13: 37
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        Kobukson is ramming at the speed of the Titanic

        I watched, but did not understand what kind of force drives these ships, accelerating them to such speeds. Not otherwise, a hundred, no less, trained cyclists are sitting inside, turning the propeller astern.
        Here's what I liked about the author.
        The turtle ship broke through the center of the enemy fleet and unleashed a flurry of cannonballs and arrows on the Japanese ships.

        Okay, arrows. But one, I emphasize, one ship and a "flurry of cannonballs" ... For the end of the XNUMXth century. this is a little too optimistic.
        It's like a story about a drug addict who went out on the balcony in the morning to smoke. He looks - three fireballs fly through the sky one after another. He looks back, sees his mother standing looking at him.
        - Mom, I want something to eat.
        - I wouldn't want to. Stood on the balcony for three days.
        laughing
        For such a character, the fire of Korean cannons of the XNUMXth century. could really seem squall. smile
        In general, the article is interesting, my thanks to the author. good
        1. +4
          21 October 2022 13: 43
          According to a joke: people living with a different pace can get advantages in certain situations.
        2. +6
          21 October 2022 15: 22
          Okay, arrows. But one, I emphasize, one ship and a "flurry of cannonballs" ... For the end of the XNUMXth century. this is a little too optimistic.

          Michael, don't be so categorical. wink Kobukson carried two or three dozen cannons. I think the expression is quite acceptable.
          Moreover, what kind of weapons were they? Turnbull wrote that the first cannons used by the Japanese in 16th-century warfare were breech-loading. If the Koreans had similar ... I just don’t know what can be reloaded faster - a 16th century breech-loading cannon with an insert chamber, or a later muzzle-loading one?
          Here, for example, is a drawing from an article by V.O. Shpakovsky.
          https://topwar.ru/73442-artilleriya-yaponskih-samuraev.html

          For some reason, the battle of Lissa in 1866 came to mind. There, a huge 90-gun wooden (!) Austrian battleship "Kaiser" with might and main poured fire on Italian battleships, and at a critical moment - rammed one of them, "Re di Portogalo". Drown did not drown, but the behavior of the battleship and its crew deserves respect.
          1. +4
            21 October 2022 17: 31
            I searched briefly for data on the possible rate of fire of Korean guns of that time - I did not find anything. Even in the article by A. Kostylev "Korean artillery during the Imjin War" there is no such data. About the size, weight of the guns, their firing range, types of shells (it turns out that they were already firing explosive bombs then) - please. But not about the rate of fire, alas.
            Article here.
            https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/koreyskaya-artilleriya-perioda-imdzhinskoy-voyny/viewer
            1. +4
              21 October 2022 18: 39
              But not about the rate of fire, alas.

              And not about the method of loading! drinks However, with such a number of guns and the presence of a ram, the kobukson could give odds to many ships of that time! fellow
          2. +2
            23 October 2022 13: 44
            According to the goat-loading falconnets, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, I looked at the Italian thin. a film about the era of Italian warriors, it well showed the process of casting a goat-loading gun and using it on knightly cavalry.
        3. +5
          21 October 2022 15: 46
          Thanks for the positive feedback. Of course, kobukson is not Titanic, but cinema is a special world. As they say, "fear has big eyes", so the Japanese could exaggerate. Of course, the kobukson was not a superweapon, but it was quite well armed with cannons, which cannot be said about Japanese warships.
          1. +4
            21 October 2022 17: 39
            Quote from Wukong86
            Thanks for the positive feedback.

            Good job and positive feedback. smile
            Quote from Wukong86
            Of course, the kobukson was not a superweapon, but it was quite well armed with cannons, which cannot be said about Japanese warships.

            Before reading your article, I had never heard such a word. smile
            Now I’ve been enlightened, I even read an article about Korean artillery ... smile
            So thank you too. hi
      4. +3
        21 October 2022 19: 16
        Kolya, hi! smile
        Excellent video! Not only the Titanic would envy such a speed, but also the cruisers of a later time. good
        Separately, I was pleased with the Japanese cannons on the "strings", I have never seen anything like this in any historical work on naval battles. laughing
        Complete finish.
        1. +2
          21 October 2022 19: 30
          Separately, I was pleased with the Japanese cannons on the "strings", I have never seen anything like this in any historical work on naval battles.
          Have you seen about shooting from a cannon from the shoulder?
          1. +2
            21 October 2022 19: 35
            Yes, I saw it, but this was also practiced in European armies, everything depends on the charge. But on the "rope" ... it's something. request

            Hello Anton! drinks
            1. +2
              21 October 2022 19: 50
              And why is the suspension system worse for you than the retractable one, especially with breech loading?
              Hi Uncle Kostya!
              1. +2
                21 October 2022 20: 00
                Breech-loading, this is a myth, most likely, it was too difficult for experienced European gunsmiths, and therefore did not take root in Europe. But the "strings", how do you think these "pendants" behaved during the roll and pitching? I doubt that the sea was always calm, and there was at least some maneuvering.
          2. +4
            21 October 2022 19: 57
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Have you seen about shooting from a cannon from the shoulder?

            only from the back)
            1. +3
              21 October 2022 20: 16
              only from the back)
              This episode meant.
              1. +2
                21 October 2022 23: 40
                This episode meant.


                I didn't want to tell anyone that you sang cool, minstrel... And seduced juicy women with one look... But I have to, just - I have to, you know! Because Rev. Michael Pare is you! request
                You glared slyly... and everyone fell in love with you... wink



                Yes, but in a classic action musical "Anton against everyone, or the streets on fire", you all kicked ass to the red!




                I'm with you! drinks You are my friend! You're better than Coster-Waldau and Michael Pare put together!
      5. +3
        21 October 2022 19: 58
        Kolya thank you very much! Yes, the Korean fleet is cool, ships give out no less than thirty knots !!!
        Regards Vlad!
        1. +1
          22 October 2022 00: 05
          Kolya thank you very much!

          Comrade Real Colonel, glad to try! soldier drinks
    2. +3
      21 October 2022 15: 48
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Another Japanese boat. Very funny

      Oars especially kill. Those. scooped back - and then, without taking the oar out of the water - drag it forward. Rowing actually back...
      Japanese. Everything is done slowly, sadly - and always through one place
      1. Fat
        +1
        21 October 2022 22: 32
        Leave! there to jump over to a fishing spot. Not even miles-meters. This is what Korea is like. An attempt to start a mine war died without turning around
    3. +4
      21 October 2022 19: 49
      Until the end of World War II, the Japanese did not understand that the Land Army and the Navy should act together!
      And they have been squabbling all their lives like mangy dogs!
      1. +5
        21 October 2022 20: 06
        Quite right! Obviously a true samurai muzzle was not able to absorb this elementary! laughing

        1. +3
          21 October 2022 20: 38
          If chivalry had not been "restrained" in Europe, then European warriors would have suffered from the "knightly spirit" and the "greatness of blue blood and white bones"!
          And so their simple infantry in the form of Reisleiferof and Landsknechts quickly reined in.
          Plus, the armies, due to the growth in numbers, went to the balance of the rulers of the countries, and not their vassals!
          1. +2
            21 October 2022 21: 03
            Quote: hohol95
            And so their simple infantry in the form of Reisleiferof and Landsknechts quickly reined in.

            As I said, this is Japan - everything is done slowly, sadly, and always after ... I just don’t believe that they didn’t think of a crossbow in Japan, which crossbow sends all these samurai show-offs to the dustbin of history. But since everything must be done through w, slowly and sadly - in Japan it did not flourish, it's not Japanese - arm your peasants with 1000 crossbows and break the thrush to a hundred neighbors, hung with show-offs and armor of samurai)))
            1. +2
              21 October 2022 21: 26
              The mention of the first crossbows in Japan dates back to the XNUMXth century AD, they were made by captured Chinese masters, crossbows were used as stationary weapons of coastal defense.

              In later times, they mention the arming of small special detachments.

              But as a mass weapon, they did not take root, here you are right. The higher rate of fire of a conventional bow also affected. smile
              1. +1
                21 October 2022 21: 43
                The Genoese never made it to Japan. So are the Balearic slingers.
                In the 21st century, only the Gurkhas can be remembered.
            2. +2
              21 October 2022 21: 41
              In Europe there were many hungry mouths that went to get dengu by war or robbery, and in Japan they began to "limit" the population. The rich man kept from one to three sons and a couple of daughters, and the peasant tried to keep one son for himself. The remaining children were determined in "
              In Japan, child killers are not considered mentally ill. The so-called infanticide is an ancient Eastern tradition. In the Land of the Rising Sun, from time immemorial, unwanted children have been disposed of in order to avoid hunger and overpopulation. In rich families, only three sons and two daughters were left, the poor could afford only one heir. "Superfluous" were killed immediately after birth. "Flowers littering the garden."
              "Superfluous" children: a Japanese tradition that chills the blood in the veins
              The secrets of the Osaka lockers and the ancient tradition that led to the gender bias in Japan
              16 September 2022
              Ren TV
              "In Japan, it was called "mabiki", that is, "the destruction of flowers that litter the garden." And this was practiced literally until the Meiji period, when Japan embarked on the path of Westernization. Then control over children began. However, it was noticeable that much higher than, for example, in European countries. And experts explained this by the fact that "mabiki" was still practiced in Japan, despite the ban, "said Ekaterina Abramova."
              In other countries it was not easier, but "gangs" of Italian Condottieri and German Lansknechts were recruited.
              Genoese crossbowmen served throughout Europe, and Genoa was not depopulated!
              The Swiss and Scots were just as desirable in the guards of many kings!
              And this is despite the then famines and disease-causing epidemics!
              1. +3
                21 October 2022 22: 05
                "Superfluous" children: a Japanese tradition that chills the blood in the veins

                Another addition to my, to put it mildly, negative attitude towards the traditions of the "Land of the Rising Sun". Darkness...
          2. +5
            21 October 2022 21: 17
            If chivalry had not been "restrained" in Europe, then European warriors would have suffered from the "knightly spirit" and the "greatness of blue blood and white bones"!


            Well, we got better with that. laughing

  4. +7
    21 October 2022 07: 49
    Very well. The episode with a broken leg and a willow splint is wonderful. Yet the habit of success inspires confidence. Might be enough for a lifetime.
    1. +4
      21 October 2022 16: 19
      His happiness is that he did not earn an open fracture!
      And the broken leg healed properly...
      Otherwise, he would not have lived to see his victories over the Japanese!
      1. +3
        21 October 2022 17: 02
        There is a struggle for happiness. And sometimes successful.
        1. +6
          21 October 2022 18: 35
          And sometimes not successful...
          I read that in the 20s or 30s of the 20th century, a young writer or poet decided to prove that the wounded Pushkin could be saved.
          He shot himself with a "Nagant" and ended up in the hospital ...
          He died.
          And some, having received a bullet in the head or the region of the heart, lived happily ever after!
          1. +3
            21 October 2022 20: 20
            This is already insane. Fate should not be tempted.
            1. +4
              21 October 2022 20: 43
              There was such a case in Tsarist Russia.
              Honored military man was insulted. He challenged the offender to a duel.
              The seconds, knowing about his marksmanship, loaded his pistol with a large charge of gunpowder - they say, when shooting in the chest, the barrel will go up and the bullet will fly past.
              And the military decided only to injure the offender and took aim at the leg ...
              He got shot in the stomach...
              The offender died.
              1. +2
                21 October 2022 22: 18
                A very significant case.
                Fate does not like being pushed under the elbow.
            2. +2
              22 October 2022 13: 26
              This is already insane. Fate should not be tempted.

              My dad told me that in the 80s he served in Kazakhstan in the railway troops. One officer decided to commit suicide (I don’t know about the background), Sergey, I speak according to him. At the booze of the officers, he took out a PM, shot himself in the head. The old man said, then this man lived for several more hours ... I don’t know how the defeat went there ...
              Dying yourself is scary. If you want, send me an email.
    2. +1
      21 October 2022 20: 57
      Yet the habit of success inspires confidence. Might be enough for a lifetime.


      Yes how to say. "A pitcher got into the habit of walking on water..." smile As was the case with Citizen Napoleon.

      Good evening, Sergey! drinks
      1. +1
        21 October 2022 22: 20
        Good evening, Konstantin! No wonder the ancient Greeks talked about a sense of proportion.
        1. +2
          21 October 2022 23: 19
          The native steppe is wide, wide!
          All the Black Sea.
          I will meet a Greek, I am a Greek
          in a wide field.

          Akinak rubanu, rubanu
          According to the antique.
          And I'll take a horse, I'll take a horse,
          The horse is the most valuable.
  5. +7
    21 October 2022 09: 09
    Judging by the famous Korean film "Battle for Myung Ryan", the most interesting thing about the Korean admiral is yet to come. We look forward to continuing drinks
  6. +5
    21 October 2022 09: 15
    Interesting, thanks! Detailed and unobtrusive
    1. +6
      21 October 2022 15: 49
      Ivan, thanks for the feedback! There will definitely be a sequel.
  7. +8
    21 October 2022 09: 56
    For Li Sunsin himself, these victories were the first step on the way to the glory of the country's savior and national hero.
    Monuments to Lee Sun-sin rise in Seoul, Busan, Pyongyang and other cities of both South Korea and North Korea. Streets, squares, fountains and bridges are named in his honor, in the city of Asan, immediately after the death of the admiral, a temple and memorial complex dedicated to him began to grow. live, you die."
    1. Fat
      +4
      21 October 2022 11: 26
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      "If you persist in the search for death, you will live, but if you persist in the desire to live, then you will die."

      Life hung in the balance Step and body on a slippery board. Steel wanted a sip of blood. Steel wheezed: "Let's go to the East"...
  8. +3
    21 October 2022 11: 31
    Earlier, your obedient servant, assuming that the barbarians from the islands could cause trouble, ordered to make a turtle ship.

    Interestingly, in those parts there was at least one state that did not consider everyone around them to be barbarians / long-nosed barbarians? laughing
    1. Fat
      +6
      21 October 2022 11: 56
      hi Greetings, Alexey. Deep immersion in your own culture. makes people short-sighted. What we are seeing in the same Korea. China, torn to shreds by European gunboats, can be ignored. However, Russia, having gained the power of Siberia, did not call anyone, not a single people barbarians.
      1. +6
        21 October 2022 13: 20
        Quote: Thick
        no people were called barbarians.

        Is that the scythe monkeys, like the Japanese, or just savages. smile
        We are all not without sin ... smile
        I recalled an old joke.
        The middle of the XNUMXth century, a reception in the palace of the Emir of Bukhara, a group of Russian officers is bored in the corner. The young cornet looks around the hall - nothing interesting.
        - Gentlemen, let's have some fun.
        - What do you suggest, cornet?
        - Well, let's ... for starters, shit on the piano.
        - They won't understand... Wild people... Asians!
        laughing
        1. Fat
          +1
          21 October 2022 13: 29
          "And none wild, Tugus and a friend of the steppes - Kalmyk"But when the pro-Bolshevik outcasts stormed the Ziminy Palace, they put them in vases .... smile
          1. +3
            21 October 2022 13: 43
            Well, if you remember Pushkin, then first of all it comes to me
            On mossy, muddy shores
            Blackened huts here and there,
            Shelter of the poor chuhontsa;

            And how did Lermontov describe the highlanders of the Caucasus ...
            Angry Chechen creeps ashore
            Sharpens his dagger

            smile
            1. Fat
              +3
              21 October 2022 14: 03
              And where are the barbarians? Where is the lack of respect? Everything is correct.
              1. +4
                21 October 2022 14: 25
                The rumor about me will pass all over Russia great,
                And every language that is in it will call me,
                And the proud grandson of the Slavs, and the Finn, and now the wild
                Tunguz, and a Kalmyk friend of the steppes.
              2. +4
                21 October 2022 15: 40
                And in general, the Kalmyks, and especially the Kalmyk Alexander Sergeevich, remarked:

                Farewell, dear Kalmyk!
                Just a little, to spite my ploys,
                me a laudable habit
                Not carried away among the steppes
                Following your wagon.
                Your eyes are, of course, narrow
                And the nose is flat, and the forehead is wide,
                You don't babble in French
                You do not squeeze your legs with silk,
                In English before the samovar
                You don’t crumble bread with a pattern,
                Don't admire Saint-Mar
                You don't appreciate Shakespeare a little,
                Don't fall into a dream
                When there is no thought in the head,
                Do not sing: Ma dov'e
                You don't gallop in the assembly...
                What needs? - Exactly half an hour,
                While the horses were harnessed to me,
                My mind and heart occupied
                Your gaze and wild beauty.
                1. Fat
                  +3
                  21 October 2022 15: 56
                  Sergey, I met Kalmyks in their natural environment. you are driving from the lower Volga with a catch, and then you run into your parking lot ... Come on - brother. Eat, share the news. What to hide at the same time? Well, you can definitely forget about the fish wassat They sit, damn it and talk like a tourist put on shoes laughing
                  1. +4
                    21 October 2022 17: 00
                    So I thought about the nationalities of our country, which differ from the titular nation. A lot depends on where you meet.
                    One of the first Yakuts come to mind. But he spoke on neutral territory.
                    And Tuvans. Wasn't in their area either.
                    1. Fat
                      +4
                      21 October 2022 18: 01
                      Not the point. Each nation has its own unpleasant jumps to us. However, we live. from Tuvans - when he served a term. I had a Sergeant, nicknamed Lapko from mountain Shoria, so I would recommend such a commander to many ... He just took and made a platoon - a combat unit ....
                      1. +1
                        21 October 2022 20: 18
                        It seems that the Tuvan warriors are good. There is a version that Subedei-Bagatur is a Tuvan.
              3. +5
                21 October 2022 16: 50
                There are no "barbarians". And arrogance in relation to peoples standing at a lower stage of social development - more than. And this is in classical literature. One can imagine how they spoke about the same Chechens or Finns in the XNUMXth century. ordinary nobles, peasants, Cossacks...
                The latter, by the way, did not even consider their ordinary Russian peasants to be full-fledged people.
                1. Fat
                  +2
                  21 October 2022 22: 13
                  Received. Such a thing took place. Don't bet sad
          2. +5
            21 October 2022 17: 29
            But taking the Ziminy Palace by storm, the pro-Bolshevik outcasts, Khezali in vases ....
            Andrei, as you know, a certain animal will always find dirt. In the magazine "Technique-Youth" No. 11, 2004, my article was published about one of the sailors who stormed the Winter Palace. The article is called "Does Comrade Stalin Know What Petrov Started at TsAGI". This article is about General Ivan Fedorovich Petrov, founder and first rector of MIPT. He handed us diplomas in 1978.
          3. +2
            21 October 2022 19: 27
            Quote: Thick
            pro-Bolshevik outcasts, hezals in vases ....

            About vases. I remember the visit of Aram Khachaturian to Salvador Dali. Culture is highly dependent on circumstances. laughing
            1. +1
              21 October 2022 19: 48
              This is just an anecdote very talentedly presented by Weller, like much that allegedly happened in his "Legends of Nevsky Prospekt".
        2. +6
          21 October 2022 15: 09
          Is that the scythe monkeys, like the Japanese, or just savages.

          According to Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, the last bearded autocrat about the Japanese, if he mentioned it, then only in words: "Ah, these macaques ..." what . And this is just before the Russo-Japanese War!
        3. +3
          21 October 2022 16: 23
          https://warspot.ru/4850-srednevekovaya-koreya-zolotoe-korolevstvo-silla#mobile-left-navigation
          "... By the fifth century, Goguryeo finally took shape as a state that occupied the entire north of the Korean Peninsula. Moreover, at one time in Goguryeo there was even a point of view according to which not China, but Goguryeo is the Middle State, that is, the actual center of the universe."
          So that! They are in the middle, not the Chinese, Japanese and other Thais!
          They are the most "center-middle" - all other VarVary-S!
          1. +5
            21 October 2022 16: 55
            In general, nothing surprising. Similar statements can be heard from the lips of representatives of any nation, including Russian.
            1. +2
              21 October 2022 17: 57
              We can't be Navels of the Earth"?
              Is it just the Yankees or are Britto Heads allowed? angry
              1. +6
                21 October 2022 18: 14
                What does "can't" mean? You can't forbid being a fool. Not to us, not to anyone else.
                1. +2
                  21 October 2022 18: 39
                  This is not "tomfoolery", but the state ideology.
                  In China, they also believe that "everyone owes them."
                  And it is they who are the Middle Empire.
                  We have no ideology.
                  1. +3
                    21 October 2022 19: 55
                    Quote: hohol95
                    We have no ideology.

                    Do you think this is exactly what she needs? I think no. States in which such an ideology triumphs (exclusivity, a special mission, etc.) will inevitably perish, and in the very near future. Whether the triumph of such an ideology is a cause or a consequence of this death is a moot point. For me, this is the surest sign of a serious illness, and if such an ideology turns from a marginal into an official state one, turn off the lights, "we are on the eve of a grand nix."
                    1. +1
                      21 October 2022 20: 31
                      The ideology of the "Navel of the Earth" brings only problems and troubles. With this I fully agree.
                      But in our Kingdom-State there is no ideology at all.
                      Not bad, not good, not 50/50...
                      Recently I read - "The Pig and the Shepherd. A film about the humiliation of a Russian peasant."
                      Or the convocation of BLOCHERS to the State Duma ...
                      We discussed this at Norkin's yesterday. Duma "inmates" liked communication with "talking heads, pick-up artists and Cowards"!
                      Democracy-S.
                      Now "InstaSamkm" will explain to its signatories the essence of the laws adopted by the State Duma.
                      SHUKHER has come a long time ago ...
                      1. +3
                        21 October 2022 21: 17
                        Quote: hohol95
                        But in our Kingdom-State there is no ideology at all.

                        There is no dominant ideology. This is a little different.
                        It is strange that you do not see that we now have a fierce struggle of numerous and very different ideologies. Battle for minds. War of all against all in the mental space.
                        The state information policy is contradictory and amorphous, it is ruled by either outright mediocrity or traitors, I don't know which is worse. Those whom you call "fleas" work vigorously at their own peril and risk, some in the forest, some for firewood, like a swan, cancer and pike, and many find their audience.
                        And this is not called "democracy", there is another word, still from early perestroika - "pluralism".
                        Whether this is good or bad is, again, a moot point.
                        If there is only one ideology in a country, which is unconditionally dominant, it is bad: there is no struggle - there is no development.
                        If there are two of them diametrically opposed - bad, this indicates a deep split in society and the real prospects for a civil war.
                        Three is not so scary anymore, political maneuvers are possible here and there is hope for some kind of stability.
                        More, as we have now - already a mess.
                        The development of society follows its own rules, it can be accelerated or slowed down only slightly. Here we are slowly developing.
                      2. 0
                        21 October 2022 21: 46
                        RF, like a drunkard staggers.
                        Step forward - two back.
                        Left - right.
                        Down in the puddle...
                        And so we move on for the fourth decade ... crying
                    2. 0
                      21 October 2022 20: 39
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      States in which such an ideology triumphs (exclusivity, a special mission, etc.) will inevitably perish, and in the very near future

                      Rome - first a republic, then an empire - existed for a thousand years, adhering to just such an ideology. Ideologies of one's own exclusivity and special mission...
                      1. 0
                        22 October 2022 00: 28
                        Remind me who was the spokesman for this ideology and how exactly he expressed it. I remember that such thoughts began to prevail just before the fall of the Roman Empire.
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                      3. 0
                        22 October 2022 03: 27
                        Throughout the history of Rome, the main basis of its legislation was the legal inequality of the population of the empire, where only Roman citizens were fully qualified category.

                        And the spokesman of this ideology was the Roman legislation itself, which throughout Roman history established the legal inequality of the population of the empire, where only the citizens of Rome were a comprehensively full-fledged category.

                        Roman citizenship was a special quality that distinguished them from other ethnic groups and states. The exception was the Greeks and the late antique period, where even barbarians could easily obtain Roman citizenship and become Roman officials. And the very word "barbarian" has already established certain boundaries ..
                      4. 0
                        22 October 2022 06: 55
                        T, what you are writing about is just the usual division of the population into categories like "prince - boyar - smerd". This happened in every society. At the same time, non-Romans could receive citizenship in Rome - for merit, for example, but in the process of development of the Roman state, the rights of citizens received more and more broad sections of the population of the empire.
                        But that's not the point.
                        You didn't say anything about ideology. The division of the population into strata, castes or estates is one thing, the ideology of exclusivity is quite another. The word "barbarian" was a person who spoke in an incomprehensible language, nothing more. Now in Russian, the word "foreigner" is used to denote a similar concept, before that - "German". This is not yet an ideology of exclusivity.
                      5. 0
                        22 October 2022 07: 21
                        T, what you are writing about is just the usual division of the population into categories like "prince - boyar - smerd"

                        Nothing like this! In the case of Rome, this is a race of masters, standing several heads above the race of subhumans (if expressed in today's terms). Higher culturally and civilizationally. Something like the modern "white man's burden"...

                        The word "barbarian" was used to refer to a person who spoke an incomprehensible language.

                        This is true. However, the Romans still understood the word "barbarian" to be a deeper and insurmountable civilizational gap than a simple definition of a foreigner living by different laws...
                      6. 0
                        22 October 2022 09: 09
                        Quote: Luminman
                        In the case of Rome, this is a race of masters, standing several heads higher than the race of subhumans

                        Honestly, I don't know where you got that from. Haven't heard anything like it anywhere.
                        Wars, slaves from captives, the subordinate position of the conquered, the expansion of influence, the inclusion of new territories in Rome, the empowerment of the inhabitants of these territories with citizenship rights (not immediately, of course) - all this happened.
                        But the dominant state ideology that preached the exclusivity of Rome - I don’t remember something like that.
                        With the conquest of Greece, such motives began to appear, but it was the conquered Greeks who brought this, and these ideas did not become the dominant ideology.
                        Something similar began to appear only just in time for the end of the existence of the Roman Empire, which, in fact, I spoke about from the very beginning, as a sign of decline and imminent collapse.
                      7. 0
                        22 October 2022 10: 44
                        I honestly don't know where you got that from.

                        In Titus Livy, this runs right through the red line through all his multi-volume works. In the "Biographies" of Plutarch, in his descriptions of Roman celebrities, this very exclusivity of Rome also shines through in the background ...

                        Something similar began to appear only just in time for the end of the existence of the Roman Empire.

                        By the time of the decline of the Empire in Rome, the barbarians were already "ruling" with might and main, and there was not even a question of any superiority and messianism.

                        P.S. There was no specific messianic ideology written down on parchment. It was all in the minds of the Romans from birth. However, Roman laws, which do not put other peoples in anything, can also be called an ideology ...
  9. +2
    21 October 2022 12: 17
    If we assume that the shoguns were associated with the Koreans, then everything becomes clear. There was a civil war in Japan against the shoguns with the support of Christian countries, as it is written in Wikipedia.
    1. Fat
      +1
      21 October 2022 12: 39
      Dmitry, now after the article, as a nation I will rather choose the Korean leader in the game of Tsivu. It will be interesting. Might be unexpectedly interesting. laughing
      Oh yes .... I already did a couple of excursions for japs ​​- pretty boring, but you can laughing
  10. +3
    21 October 2022 13: 10
    It was interesting.
    The author is requested to indicate the sources. At least when it comes to the number of troops and losses. The article is popular, but it will not decrease from this.
    1. Fat
      +2
      21 October 2022 13: 22
      Greetings, Denis.
      I think it makes no sense to turn the Article into a Thesis ... But mentioning a couple of sources is a good idea.
      1. +3
        21 October 2022 13: 27
        Hello
        Shpakovsky often mentions sources right in the body of the article. No one seemed to criticize him for his tediousness.
        1. Fat
          +2
          21 October 2022 13: 51
          I didn't criticize... If you think that Kurmyzov relies only on his own analysis, prove it. With us, there are no sources. There are no links and they are not available. Denis, I don’t understand what special privileges the author had at his disposal. I am inclined to believe.
          Don't even believe in anything.
          1. +4
            21 October 2022 14: 05
            I do not think so.
            The ears of some passages of the article stick out from, shall we say, a "specific" book by Lee Jong Won.
            Not that it makes the article worse, but I wonder what else was there, for balance.
            There is a mention of the memoirs of Lee Sun-sin, well, Turnbull is mentioned in passing, where would it be without him.
            1. Fat
              +3
              21 October 2022 14: 18
              I have no way to understand Korean Palbiki. Remember, for clarity wassat
            2. +10
              21 October 2022 15: 38
              Thanks for the comment. The fact is that I set the task to clearly tell about the Imjin war for a wide range of readers. Unfortunately, this war is very poorly covered in our country. Therefore, I decided not to overload the article with links, but I agree with you that in some cases it is worth mentioning the sources in the text itself. I looked through the book of Lee Jong Won, but did not focus on it, since there are more serious and high-quality works. As sources, I used the Complete Documents of Li Sunsin and his War Diary (Nanzhong ilgi). They are available in Russian. The following works were used as literature on the topic:
              1. Hawley Samuel. The Imjin War. The most detailed account of the history of the war in Western historiography. The author focused mainly on Korean sources.
              2 Turnbul, Stephen. The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-98. Actually, Turnbull. Complements the previous book, gives a look from the side of the Japanese. There is an abridged version of this book published by Osprey, but I used the more complete, "adult" version of this work.
              3.Swope, Kenneth. Dragon's Head and a Serpent'.. Quite an interesting, though not indisputable, view of the war from the Chinese side.
              If we talk about Russian-language works, then a lot of space is given to the Imjin War in the book by A.F. Prasol about Toyotomi Hideyoshi. I also used the article by K.V. Asmolov about the Imjin War and the Korean Warrior of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth Centuries. I am. Pastukhov "Kobukson - myth or reality?".
              1. Fat
                +3
                21 October 2022 16: 05
                You did a good job, don't be shy. Osprey, although good, is not an indicator. It's good that there is something to flip through, I hope not in Korean .... Weak in oriental languages ​​.....
              2. +2
                21 October 2022 16: 07
                Okay, half I've already identified.
                As far as I remember, Turnbull does not give figures for Japanese losses in naval battles. Data on thousands and thousands of Japanese dead, it turns out, is entirely Korean. Apparently, it is better to give them with reservations. This is especially true for the battle of Menryang, where the balance of power is absolutely fabulous. Turnbull does not mention him at all, although he is somewhat partial and at times careless (so they say). It's not that this battle didn't happen, but the scale is possible. disproportionately swollen.
                1. +2
                  21 October 2022 18: 44
                  Okay, half I've already identified.

                  Denis, welcome. Up there, we also talked with Mikhail about the combat abilities of the kobukson.
                  The question, which has not yet been answered - what was the method of loading his guns? Was it from the muzzle or were they 16th century breech-loaders? How fast could they fire volleys? hi
                  With respect, Nicholai drinks
                  1. +3
                    21 October 2022 18: 53
                    Good evening,
                    You ask me like crazy)
                    I don’t rummage, but Wikipedia, scolded by everyone, gives an alignment:
                    In the early 1500s, the bullanggi (불랑기/佛狼機), a breech-loading swivel gun, was introduced to Korea from Portugal via China.

                    Name of breech-loader bullanji quite different from the main types chonya, jiya, hyonyamentioned in the article about Korean guns. Moreover, I didn’t see the photo from Statsenko’s article from the post below the breech-loaders.
                    https://warspot.ru/3102-ukrotitel-samuraev/images?name=%2F000%2F012%2F618%2Fcontent%2F12.jpg
                    I bet on muzzleloaders.
                    Rate of fire cursory search
                    quite large 17th Century guns such as culverins could manage ten rounds an hour; 'Drakes' (guns under 5 pounders) of the same period achieved 15 rph

                    For the 16th century, I would divide by 2 at least
                    1. +2
                      21 October 2022 19: 04
                      I bet on muzzleloaders.

                      These are the ones from your link.


                      Yes, it looks like it. I wonder how long it took them to recharge?

                      We have published colorful books by Turnbull (well, you know them) on samurai. The first to acquire in Japan, EMNIP, Otomo Sorin, who fought for a long time, piercingly and completely unsuccessfully with the Shimazo clan in Kyushu. wassat Although a monument was erected to him later. Yes
                      Turnbull says that 16th-century Japanese cannons were called "furangs". I entered google into the search. No result. request I entered the query "Japanese artillery of the 16th century" - pictures appeared from an article by our esteemed Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky of 2015. The pictures themselves, for sure, were drawn by St. A. Sheps, for which he is grateful. Yes, yes, Anton and I also personally helped the esteemed Sheps by filming the Baranovsky cannon at the Naval Museum last year. drinks
                      Something like this! request
                      1. +4
                        21 October 2022 19: 13
                        I wonder how long it took them to recharge?

                        "Drakes", with a core, up to 2.5 kg fired 15 shots per hour. But in the 17th century.
                        The analogue of the drake will be the guns in the middle (but not the "land" on the far right)
                        It needs to be doubled.
                        For the Japanese, it is necessary to reduce even more - they have historically poor gunpowder and worse barrel quality. Koreans, on the contrary, have always been famous as metallurgists who knew how to make not only swords
                      2. +1
                        21 October 2022 19: 19
                        The analogue of the drake will be the guns in the middle (but not the "land" on the far right)

                        Seven shots per hour, conditionally, a shot in 10 minutes. Well... that's probably enough! request
                      3. +2
                        21 October 2022 19: 55
                        Obviously enough, moreover, with a weak rebuff from the enemy. good
                      4. +2
                        21 October 2022 19: 37
                        Anton and I also personally helped the esteemed Sheps by filming the Baranovsky cannon at the Naval Museum last year.
                        No need to generalize! You photographed the Baranovsky cannon, I was interested in the Swedish ceremonial sword.
              3. +4
                21 October 2022 19: 12
                Good evening, Alexander! smile
                I want to thank you again for a wonderful article. good I just belong to that "wide circle of readers" for whom the Imjin War was absolutely unknown before the publication of your article. I don’t know much about Korea at all, but I judge Japan from the history of the Second World War and from the books of Morrison, Hashimoto, Fuchida and Okumiya, so everything that I read in your article is new to me. I will wait for the promised continuation.
                Good luck to you and good luck! smile drinks
                1. +1
                  25 October 2022 10: 59
                  Konstantin, thank you so much for such a wonderful review. good
                  1. +1
                    25 October 2022 11: 31
                    I just tried to appreciate it. good
                    And I'm looking forward to the sequel. smile
  11. +4
    21 October 2022 14: 07
    The author's midal is more precisely the order of Lee Sun Sin. laughing Walking looking for.
    Seriously, great articles, thanks for your hard work.
    1. +3
      21 October 2022 15: 47
      Thank you for your response. Already working on the third part of the series.
  12. +7
    21 October 2022 14: 48
    Still, something is wrong with the design of these very "kobuksons" and the ships shown in the pictures in general.
    Flat-bottomed, but with high sides. Guns at the top. Moreover, the deck is lined with iron. With their stability in general, it is better not to leave the coast, where is the adversary to be lured into the open sea.
    Again, the cannons on the rocks are good. And what was their range to support their fleet?
    1. +4
      21 October 2022 15: 20
      Guns at the top. Yes, and the deck sheathed with iron

      Not at the very top. It is enough to look at any reconstruction.
      Neither Lee Sun-sin nor his nephew Lee Pun write about the "iron-plated deck". They write only about iron points.
      Lee Pun wrote additionally
      In battle we cover the upper deck with straw mats

      That is, the protection may have been "soft". The article below has a brief analysis of the word huphan- protection from boards (?), but the term is taken from an 18th century source.

      The best article about kobuksons in Runet is here
      The author knows Korean and has done proofreading and his own translation of Korean texts.
      http://xlegio.ru/navy/medieval-ships/historical-realities-of-the-geobukseon/
      1. +2
        21 October 2022 19: 49
        Quote: Engineer
        Not at the very top.

        God be with them with kobuksons. There are very few ships of this class. But the rest are exactly flat-bottomed and with guns on the second tier. For on the first - rowers with oars.
    2. +1
      21 October 2022 19: 42
      According to old drawings from Internet articles, Korean "churupahi" are not very flat-bottomed !!!
      And drawn quite seaworthy!
      https://alternathistory.com/korabl-cherepaha-kobukson/
      1. +1
        21 October 2022 19: 51
        How many of those "turtles"?
        The main forces, as follows from the text, are flat-bottomed and high-sided.
  13. +4
    21 October 2022 15: 19
    Dear author!
    Will you develop the theme of the army and navy of Korea further?
    And then I came across information about the Korean "body armor" Myeonje Baegab, created by decree of the emperor-regent Lee Haeun in the second half of the 19th century.
    It was created to protect Korean soldiers from the fire of French and American rifles.
  14. +6
    21 October 2022 16: 15
    warspot.ru
    Samurai Tamer
    Alexey Statsenko 28 Apr '15

    "... In 1566, 21-year-old Li Song Xing married the daughter of Mr. Chin, one of the local officials. Father-in-law favored his son-in-law and gave Li Song Xing a whole house, and when he discovered military abilities in him, he began to personally teach him the basics of martial art .
    ... Depending on their caliber, guns were divided into five types:
    Cheon ("Sky") is a 130 mm copper cannon designed by the talented Korean engineer Lee Chansung. She fired giant Daejangun rocket arrows weighing 30 kg and iron cannonballs doused with lead weighing 6,5 kg at a distance of up to 600 m;
    Chi ("Earth") - a copper gun caliber 89-105 mm. She fired 16,5 kg Changong rocket arrows, 4 kg iron cannonballs, or XNUMX iron bullets;
    Hyeon ("Dark") - cast-iron cannon caliber 75-79 mm. She fired large Chhade arrows weighing 3,5 kg, iron cannonballs weighing 1,5 kg, or one hundred iron bullets;
    Hwan ("Yellow") - cast iron / copper gun caliber 40-50 mm. She fired 1,5 kg Phiryong arrows, 0,5 kg iron cannonballs, or forty iron bullets. A feature of the barrels of these guns was their division by cast metal belts into knees like a bamboo trunk, as well as the location of dolphins on the upper part of the trunk, which could not but interfere with aiming when conducting flat shooting;
    Son ("Victory") - the lightest cannon, firing iron cannonballs, buckshot and arrows at a distance of up to 200 meters.
    Naval cannons from "Victory" (left) to "Earth" in the Lee Sunsin Museum of the Hyeonchunsa complex
    Source - koryosaram.blogspot.ru
    The large arrows for the guns were made of two-year-old wood and equipped with iron stabilizers (the first three types of guns) and leather (the "Yellow" gun), as well as heavy cast-iron stalked tips designed to break through the sides of enemy ships.
    1. +4
      21 October 2022 16: 28
      Statsenko did not provide links to the source, so it is not clear where he got about the types of guns
      Here is Lee Sun-sin's report
      Together with my commanders, I broke into the very thick of the enemy ships on the Kobukson and effectively fired at them from the Chen, Di, Khen and Hvan cannons *.

      * "Chen", "Dee", "Hyung" and "Hwang" are the serial numbers of the guns.

      That is, these are not types of guns, their numbering. Guns are most likely the same type
      Pastukhov confirms this version of the translation.
      Cheon - Sky, Chi - Earth, Hyun - Dark (Black and Blue), Hwang - Yellow. These are 4 hieroglyphs from the textbook "Thousand Words" .... As the first 4 characters of the text are used for numbering from 1 to 4.

      Threat Although Wikipedia also writes that these are types of guns. Perhaps Statsenko is right
      1. +2
        21 October 2022 17: 54
        Not at all strong in Korean, but the "enemy" WikiWiki informs - Cheon is a thousand - 1000.
        Do you know Korean experts?
        And the sky in Korean - from the English transcription - Hanel (hanel).
        1. +2
          21 October 2022 18: 44
          Alas, there are no linguists among us
          Same Vika
          The cheonja-hwapo "heaven" or "sky" (천자화포/天字火砲)

          And a little higher
          The cheon "heaven" or "sky", ji "earth", hyeon "black", and hwang "yellow" or "gold" names are not significant, being the first four characters of the Thousand Character Classic

          Both Wikipedia and Pastukhov clearly correlate chon (cheon) with the sky. Both write about the connection with the hieroglyphs of the Thousand Words. Difference in interpretation - or serial number based on the context (Shepherds) or a special type of tool (Wiki)
        2. +2
          21 October 2022 18: 46
          Do you know Korean experts?

          Hi Alexey! drinks There is a Korean friend, an Afghan veteran, he served in a reconnaissance company. Anton and Mikhail know him. Yes Alas, Igor himself (that's his name) knows only Russian... laughing
          1. +2
            21 October 2022 19: 39
            So he is Russian-Korean!
            My wife's grandmother had an Afghan veteran neighbor!
            He was a good mechanic and economic man ...
            A heart...
            drinks drinks drinks
            And Asians themselves get confused in hieroglyphs - one elderly sinologist said - "A literate Chinese should know at least 5000 hieroglyphs. An educated Chinese - from 7500 to 12000.
            And there are only 50 to 60 thousand of them!!!
            1. Fat
              +1
              21 October 2022 22: 52
              I doubt that I know 5000 Russian words...
        3. +3
          22 October 2022 21: 15
          I know Korean at the top. Yes 천 (h(h)he) is the sky. And a thousand is also 천, only the hieroglyph will be different there. Paradise in Korean would be a heavenly state (천국). This is a Hanmun word that comes from China. The main layer of Korean words came from China. The original Korean word for heaven, as they say, is haneul 하늘. It should be used in conversation. There is a letter y in Korean. In the word kabukson-kabugi, in my opinion, the original Korean word for "turtle", and dream (선) is already the Hanmu word for ship. Na on a native Korean ship is pe. He's a belly and a pear. All Hanmun words can be written in Chinese characters. At that time in Korea, Chinese characters were used in the public service, as can be seen in their historical films, only women and commoners used their own alphabet, or it was banned (I don’t remember exactly here). If, for example, by analogy with the Korean language, we would use English instead of hanmun, then we would call the Black Sea Blacksey, and if we said "black sea", then in the concept of a sea with black water. This is how I ended up with this Black Sea. A Korean asked me, if you swim, will your skin be black? By the way, in Korea there are 2 number systems, Sino- and native Korean. And you need to know in which case which one to use.
          1. +2
            22 October 2022 22: 23
            Awesome comment!
            Let me ask again - How would the numbering of guns in Korean go if the word "Sky" is attributed to the type of gun, and not to its serial number on the deck?
            1. +3
              22 October 2022 23: 04
              Chotche, tulche, setche, netche (첫째, 둘째, 셋째, 넷째). First second Third Fourth. Hana, tul, set, net-1 2 3 4.
              1. +3
                22 October 2022 23: 25
                Thank you!
                So take on the humble mission of a Korean language expert and help us with your knowledge if possible! drinks drinks drinks
                For Acquaintance.
  15. +1
    21 October 2022 17: 37
    An excellent article. On the topic of samurai wars, only Shpakovsky wrote well in VO. There is also a Korean film, the battle for Ren Myang, where Lee Sunsin smashed the Japanese without any kobukson at all, only due to knowledge of coastal currents.
  16. +2
    22 October 2022 13: 07
    Thank you. The article is interesting. We know very little about the history of this part of the world.
  17. 0
    23 October 2022 18: 36
    3x3zsave (anton), dear, the Yakuts did not live in plagues.