Partial mobilization - military retraining program

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Partial mobilization - military retraining program
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Where are the mobilized needed?


Three hundred thousand mobilized is a full-fledged combined arms army or three army corps. With the proper level of operational skill of command, this is a force capable of inflicting significant losses on the enemy and changing the situation on the fronts. It is only necessary to decide how to most effectively use the potential of partial mobilization. Either way, there are three scenarios.



The first is the formation of the above-mentioned corps or divisions. The command staff is made up of professional military personnel who have gained experience in combat operations in Ukraine. This is especially important, since the mere presence of combat experience does not guarantee anything. As has been repeatedly noted, Ukraine-2022 is not Syria-2016, not Georgia-2008, and even less Chechnya of the 90s and early 2000s. Russian troops faced a completely high-tech army, which in many areas has switched to NATO equipment and standards. Therefore, the experience of conducting a counter-terrorist struggle will be useful only in terms of the moral and psychological stability of the fighters.

The scenario of manning divisions and corps from the mobilized is possible, but undesirable. Even after two or three months of training and combat rallying, reservists will not reach the level of combat capability of professional soldiers. This takes not months, but years. To develop the necessary skills in combat conditions is completely unreasonable. And that's putting it mildly.


Source: ort-tv.ru

Similar mobilization mechanisms worked during the Great Patriotic War, but these were extreme measures. Freshly formed units of the mobilized may also replace the troops stationed in the liberated territories. To maintain order and ensure the work of military-civilian administrations. Here it is high time to introduce a counter-terrorist operation regime, and the combat experience of the mobilized will come in handy. The released units of the army and the Russian Guard can go both to the front and to the next vacation as part of the rotation.

The second scenario for the combat work of reservists may be the replenishment of bloodless units on the front line. The most combat-ready and motivated fighters will fall under the care of comrades-in-arms who have gone through the fire and water of a special operation. If we consider options for attracting mobilized to combat work, then this option is the most preferable.

There is also a third scenario for the use of mobilized people - this is a change at the points of permanent deployment of professional soldiers. Actually, partial mobilization was started because of the inability to withdraw troops, for example, from the Kaliningrad region or the Far East and transfer them to Ukraine. Who will protect the borders in this case?

The mobilized look like an excellent alternative - they can replace the professional military of the conditional unit N, which previously could not be sent to the front. The combat effectiveness of units formed from contract soldiers who have served more than one year in the army will a priori be higher than that of those mobilized who have completed a two-three month intensive course.

Remember how to hold the machine


The army is now on the front line in need of the most "belligerent" specialties - shooters, machine gunners, grenade throwers, snipers, flamethrowers, tankers, artillerymen and reconnaissance. Naturally, the fighting fraternity needs to be transported (hence the need for drivers), fed (cooks) and treated (paramedics and doctors are also mobilized).

Least of all, it is required to retrain truck drivers. Reservists under the age of 35 are subject to partial mobilization, which means that they have served in the last 20-27 years - during this time nothing fundamentally new from wheeled vehicles has appeared in the army. There are no big changes in the maintenance of equipment. This, by the way, is one of the undoubted advantages of the military command's conservatism in this matter.

The situation with military doctors is more complicated. Military field surgery is somewhat different from civilian work. The vast majority of medical professionals have experienced only a few bullet wounds in their entire careers, and most likely never severe contusions or mine-explosive injuries.

It is worth recalling that the main lethal force in Ukraine is howitzers, guns and rockets. On both sides, up to 90 percent of the losses are due to cannon artillery and MLRS strikes. And the injuries on the battlefield are appropriate. Therefore, civilian doctors also undergo the necessary retraining courses. The main sites are the Omsk Medical University, the hospital of the St. Petersburg Military Medical Academy and the hospital. Burdenko in Moscow.

Do not forget about the military chefs, refreshing skills in the specialized 190th school of the Western Military District. You will have to remember in the well-deserved field kitchens PAK-200M and PAK-130M, which allow you to cook for a hundred or more fighters even during the march.

The preparation of the mobilized is divided into three main stages. The first is at points of permanent deployment in the depths of Russian territory. The second is in the liberated territories, which are about to officially become part of Russia. For example, training grounds have been deployed in the Donetsk region, where reservists hone their shooting skills from different calibers. Russian training centers are also used. The list includes a training ground near Moscow in Alabino, an airborne training center in Omsk and others.

Do not forget the many military training centers of Russian universities. For example, we give the structure of the center at Moscow State Technical University. N. E. Bauman. The division consists of seven departments that train officers, sergeants and reserve soldiers in a variety of professions - from "organization of the operation and repair of missile defense systems" to "specialists in the repair and storage of vehicles." If necessary, these centers can be quickly re-profiled for the military registration specialties that the army now needs.

And finally, the third stage of training takes place directly in the units at the front.

As always, story not without nuances. First of all, it is necessary to pay special attention to the medical training of each fighter. Reduction of sanitary losses should become the most important task in all subdivisions and, first of all, by training personnel in the rules of first aid for themselves and their comrades. With an appropriate level of equipment with personal first-aid kits, of course.

If we consider the period of training of personnel in one to three months, it becomes clear that they will get to the front in winter. Ukraine, of course, is not Siberia, but even here the rules for survival in sub-zero temperatures are required. On the issue of medical admission to military service - how important is it to weed out fighters with chronic diseases, who will inevitably go into an acute stage after the first night in a snow-covered dugout or trench. This will certainly affect both the morale of the formations and the combat capability.

The engineering training of personnel also comes to the fore. Events on the fronts of Ukraine are developing as follows - yesterday the unit was advancing, and tomorrow it is necessary to build an echeloned defense. The command staff, which is also subject to partial mobilization, is simply required to have command skills in mobile defense, building minefields and organizing engineering barriers.

The most "high-tech" fighters, of course, are UAV operators of all levels, but primarily tactical. It is they that make it possible to create an unsurpassed in efficiency “drone-artillery weapon” combination, which turns an ordinary mortar into a high-precision one. weapon. This is so important that it is time to create separate training centers for such specialists. At the same time, without forgetting to equip operators with these very drones.

"Electronic Hygiene" is another course for a young fighter, which became necessary before being sent to Ukraine. Every soldier must understand that his cell phone is a potential beacon for enemy reconnaissance and a target for artillery. And popular messengers are sources of intelligence information.

Finding the optimal training period for a reservist is not easy. On the one hand, it is much easier for a machine gunner to remember the skills he received in CTO in Chechnya. The company "Pecheneg", for example, is not fundamentally different from the PKM. What can not be said about other technology.

There are two extremes here. Modern designs, such as the T-90M, differ in both ergonomics and combat capabilities. Most of the tankers who served military service did not see thermal imaging devices, for example. It is necessary to develop skills to automatism. By the way, this is exactly what reservists are doing at one of the training grounds in the Crimea.

The second extreme is the decommissioned T-62, which is widely used in Ukraine. I really want to believe that tankers from among the mobilized will not receive such equipment, but if so, then most of them will have to be retrained from scratch. In the end, in Russia, industry has long since switched to mobilization mode, and two or three months will be enough for Uralvagonzavod to saturate the army of mobilized with modern tanks.
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  1. -1
    4 October 2022 11: 10
    The Federation Council approved the entry into Russia of new territories where hostilities are taking place, now it’s Russia, well, what’s your way out Supreme Commander-in-Chief, throw away red pencils and raise strategic aviation into the air, I propose to start with bridges and tunnels on the border with Poland, and then the fire is transferred to Kyiv.
    1. +19
      4 October 2022 11: 15
      What prevented you from doing all the actions you listed before?
      1. +16
        4 October 2022 11: 25
        Quote: ASAD
        What used to hinder

        And all ! The red pencils are worn out, there is nothing more to draw with ....
        1. +1
          7 October 2022 21: 03
          Are the mobilized undergoing a medical check, or are they just looking at what's wrong with their teeth? As in tsarist times, then as now, that is, now, as then. The main thing is that then there would be something to bite off part of the cartridge for a crossbow, and now, what would be something to knock on when our beloved Santa Claus comes. Who exterminated the German invaders. He only destroyed the Germans, but did not touch the Soviet people, they said so there and did not believe in it now here.
    2. -6
      4 October 2022 11: 20
      Quote from Silver99
      your way out Supreme Commander

      Enter the artists on the stage and the podium.
      Grandmasters make a move.

      You are right, the enemy is occupying Russian territory.
      It's time to introduce martial law.

      Federal constitutional law of 30.01.2002/1/01.07.2017 N XNUMX-FKZ (as amended on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) "On martial law"

      Article 1. Martial law

      1. Martial law means a special legal regime introduced on the territory of the Russian Federation or in its individual areas in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation by the President of the Russian Federation in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation or an immediate threat of aggression.

      2. The purpose of the introduction of martial law is to create conditions for repelling or preventing aggression against the Russian Federation.
    3. -2
      4 October 2022 11: 23
      Strategists, in my opinion, it's time to cover the attacking airmen. And then they are hitting with rockets somewhere, and in the meantime, we will soon hand over Kherson. There, the supreme commander said something about the latest weapons. There are no analogues, they said. Well?
    4. +4
      4 October 2022 11: 48
      300000 is not enough, now we really need to put at least 700000 people under arms within a month. Otherwise, in 3 months Mariupol will again be under the yellow-bvakit ensign. Such is the reality of life.
      1. +8
        4 October 2022 11: 59
        I think they do it - 300k figure to calm the masses
      2. +22
        4 October 2022 12: 51
        Quote: Thrifty
        300000 is not enough

        It depends on who these 300 thousand will be.
        1. +3
          4 October 2022 15: 40
          And where do you need 300k political officers? CHSH, namely political officers, not commissars ...
          how do those commissars differ from these political officers? Are you giving up? Those received in the first place - a bullet, Shura, and these - an apartment.
        2. -1
          5 October 2022 17: 52
          then, logically, all other parties and movements will need to be banned
      3. +14
        4 October 2022 13: 10
        300000 is not enough, now we really need to put at least 700000 people under arms within a month. Otherwise, in 3 months Mariupol will again be under the yellow-bvakit ensign. Such is the reality of life.

        Yes, at least 140 million, if strikes are not made on the cities of Ukraine with a mobilization reserve, supplies of Western equipment are not stopped, tunnels and bridges are standing. This is just sending mobilization cards for slow grinding, which our urashki joyfully sang about 3 months ago
      4. +18
        4 October 2022 15: 51
        To begin with, let them equip, prepare, and train at least 200. At the same time, these are the first with at least experience in the army, military operations, at least the military departments of officers. There are still 000 volunteers. OK. And then many buy some of the equipment at their own expense. Because it's not enough. Because it's not convenient. And so on. At the same time, stupid people in uniform take away tablets and smartphones from gunners. On which are artillery and topogeodesic programs. Without which, drones cannot be launched either. And many again go with personal drones. After all, as our officials say, "we have the best UAVs and there are enough of them." What's next? Less prepared mobilized will go. They need to be taught not for two weeks, but for three months. Do you know how much you studied in training before sending military personnel to Afghanistan? First two months. Then three. And the last four years of the war - five months! During the peacekeeping operations of the 70s in Ossetia, the contingent was trained for at least a month. And they were not mobilized. And officers and contractors from the troops.
        For example, I already have the second category and an outdated VUS - there are no such systems in service. If you call me, I need to be retrained seriously. Who will be doing this? And according to what general VUS will they cook and how much time?
        And you say, like Strelkov - to call on 700 ... We need to establish a training system. Here at the Ukrainians. They have non-stop in Britain, 000 are prepared for a couple of months and sent. Now it has been expanded to 10. And they are taught. And not "they called me to the draft board, they gave me a rusty machine gun, they gave me a hundred grams of vodka and a large piece of herring, and go, brother, fight" :)
        Yes, in the summer they plugged the teroboroni. But that's all. This stage has passed. They shut up and prepared a normal replenishment during this time.
        Trying to plug holes with mobs without proper preparation will cause serious consequences in Russia.
        Correctly, Delegyain said "few people seem to understand that without the mobilization of the economy and the state, the mobilization of the population is a modification to a change in the social system" ...
        1. +4
          4 October 2022 16: 11
          General or partial mobilization is just a play on words. There are no such concepts in principle. There is just mobilization. And it is carried out in parts or waves. You can't mobilize everyone at once. This is absurd. All are not needed. Mobilization ends only with the end of the war, whatever you call it: NVO or the introduction of a limited contingent, or whatever. This must be understood. Today they are mobilized with combat experience, tomorrow without it. This is mobilization.
          1. 0
            10 October 2022 11: 40
            we like to play with words * self-isolation *, * partial mobilization * lecherously hiding the meaning behind it.
            having previously promised, and then *please treat with understanding*.
        2. +2
          5 October 2022 14: 48
          What does "without mobilizing the economy and the state" mean?? Well, mobilized the industry. A certain plant, under peacetime conditions, produced a battalion set of tanks in 3 months (for example), now it has been transferred to work in three shifts, do you want to say that it will start producing this set now in a month? Nope, at best for 1.5. Most importantly, how many of these tanks are needed at the front? They have already lost, under 1000 !!!! Also for BMP \ BMD, armored personnel carriers, etc. For example, by 1944, the military industry of the USSR switched to the production of weapons in quantities greater than was lost at the front in a unit of time, so it took almost 3 long years for this, not only that most of the factories were evacuated to the Urals. Siberia ... so many new ones were built !!! Existing factories have been expanded.
          1. +1
            5 October 2022 16: 47
            This means that not just a military plant begins to work in three shifts. And all management in the state, the entire economy is adjusted to the needs of the war. We have the "monetarist policy" of Nabiulina, we are planning a Christmas tree for 65 million for the New Year, in our country Rostec closes and bankrupts five repair plants at the same time, while planning the opening of new ones ... and so on, and so on.
            It's been 7 months.
            “Most importantly, how many of these tanks are needed at the front?” - But in order to ensure the success of military operations. Also, taking into account the losses of the latest weapons by the retreating "court" divisions. Our volunteers assemble SUVs for the army. Although, in general, there are legal grounds for WITHDRAWAL, including civilian vehicles (with subsequent compensation) for military purposes.
            For 7 months, the situation with communication and interaction of heterogeneous units, with the interdepartmental division of powers and responsibilities has not improved. And even understandable. As Khodakovsky noted veiledly, few people have a desire to go under the Ministry of Defense with its specific methods of work. And in exchange for this unwillingness, the Ministry of Defense does not provide sufficient support. Swan, crayfish and pike.
            Have we created a GKO maybe? What is its analogue? What for? We are conducting an SVO - an operation with an incomprehensible legal status. The same goes for mobilization. What does partial mean? You announce the mobilization of such and such categories, with a distribution order according to the number. According to certain VUSam. And then we discover just amazing appointments. When a non-tanker is appointed to command a tank platoon. A mortar fire platoon is not an artilleryman. And so on. Tatarsky wrote about this recently. And with what terms of retraining?
            Next PMC - what is it? On what legal basis do they operate? There is a good expression that one of the most important features of the state is its monopoly on violence. And who is Prigogine? Today, Peskov told us that he is a businessman. Class. With tanks, guns and air support?) It is clear that Prigozhin himself believes that there is no need for laws on PMCs, but should be left in the "gray zone". But the state as an institution, and not a toy in the hands of certain people, the state needs the legal status of EVERYTHING that happens in it. There is no question that PMCs were effective. "Wagner" is very effective. But ... And how do they shoot the same deserters and marauders in PMCs? On what legal basis? And take prisoners there?
            1. -1
              5 October 2022 17: 30
              I wrote about repair plants on the next branch: they didn’t need so many for today’s army, but the process has been launched, on command “train, stop, one, two!” don't stop.
              The success of military operations is not ensured, the fulfillment of the assigned task, which is set in terms of directions, frontiers and time, is ensured. There is NO such task! Therefore, it is not possible to carry out a calculation of forces and means, as required by military science. The army was sent there, it’s not really clear where (in the sense, to Kudov) and they didn’t say what to bring (Zelensky’s scalp, Arestovich’s tongue, Podolyak’s ass .... or the relics of saints from the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, or maybe an organ from the Lviv church ).
              All moments with the mobilization of equipment (this is for legal entities, for individuals, in general, according to a very separate law) occurs on the basis of the military or special situation in the country, and here, with all the consequences, this provision gives a lot of rights to the State, but also imposes very many duties, if it is not introduced, then the state is not ready for this.
              The problem of communication between various "dobriks", "barsiks", etc. in the fact that there is a vertical of subordination in the army, and the junior commander cannot send the senior on the road, since he is threatened from a tribunal with a zone, to execution on the spot, and everyone else often tries to have their own view of the current situation, and when the approach of the priests, and they begin to remember that there is an army commander, to whom they should somehow obey, and they ask for support with fire or something else, they get the answer that guys, you were burning with the desire to do everything a little differently, so you planned it the way you need and you were not taken into this calculation, because you made it clear that only eggs are cooler than you and you yourself can do everything.
              Why create a State Defense Committee to play Stalin? We have an active body, this is the Defense Council, which operates on a permanent basis, performs practically the same functions, if necessary, it is held in an expanded format, with the involvement of the necessary leaders of their areas.
              The status of the SVO is not clear, I agree, but, at the moment, its official legal status is secondary, the main thing is which laws and how they work. Partial mobilization is understandable, in my opinion, since the general one is simply not needed today, and the general one, again, works in a different field, that is, we are returning to the introduction of military, emergency, etc. The appointment of a tank platoon commander can be, a graduate of a combined arms school, as well as vice versa, they go through this and often tankers then command combined arms units and units and vice versa. A non-artilleryman cannot be appointed as a mortar platoon, this is nonsense that Tatarsky writes there \ I don’t know, I don’t even know who Tatarsky is. I know for certain that not a single commander, to his own detriment, will appoint a non-God of War to command artillery.
              For PMCs, this topic is separate, I will not write about them here, because I know how, why they were created and what tasks they performed ... THERE they did not appear from a good life, because there were no troops, and their training was very high, especially the backbone, the first sets.
              1. +1
                5 October 2022 19: 41
                "Why create a State Defense Committee in order to play Stalin? We have an active body, this is the Defense Council, which operates on an ongoing basis, performs practically the same functions, if necessary, it is carried out in an expanded format, with the involvement of the necessary leaders of their areas ." - because of what we observe, he does not act effectively enough.
                In addition to the GKO, I would also like the headquarters of the main command, with independent representatives traveling to the field.
                "There is NO such task!!!" is a corresponding question to all decision makers. What is the basis for mobilization? How military plans are prepared and so on. In fact, the fact that we are being told something else instead of a task does not mean that there is no task at all up there. She doesn't speak up.
                "there is a chain of command in the army, and the junior chief cannot send the senior on the road" - that's right. Therefore, if everyone sees that the military command gives orders that are not always adequate, which, by the way, has been constantly noted by representatives of the units for all these 8 years, there is not very much desire for direct subordination to them. And there is also a huge National Guard with Zolotov and Kadyrov - with their own claims to influence. At the same time, the Russian Guard has a huge number. But much weaker in armament. And as a result, the fulfillment of tasks suffers because of the real "parochialism". This also happened in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Mostly in the form of friction between terbats, Azov, APU. But now they mostly have the Armed Forces. And the problem has been greatly reduced.
                "The status of the SVO is not clear, I agree, but, at the moment, its official legal status is secondary, the main thing is which laws and how they work." - if the status is not clear, then what laws are we talking about? For 7 months no one solved the problem of the 500s, because the NWO is not a war, there is no martial law, there is nothing. Rip the contract freely.
                "The appointment as a commander of a tank platoon may be a graduate of a combined arms school" - yeah, like, for example, a person who once served in the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and who got into the tank troops - for example, in another channel)
                "A non-artilleryman cannot be appointed as a mortar platoon" - well, that's just your opinion. If interested, ask Tatarsky a question directly. I know of examples when they serve in artillery with air defense. And this is not even for this mobilization. And it is not the commander who distributes. And the military office. And then the commander will think about what to do with it ... The situation is like doctors enrolled in motorized rifles, because in this military registration and enlistment office for "medics, the recruitment is completed."
                And even suppose that a person, many years ago, received a VUS in missile forces or artillery. How much he knows the specifics to be the commander of a mortar platoon, after, for example, he once served in the artillery, but in other areas. Moreover, there are enough positions in which you not only do not shoot. And don’t even go to solve test problems ...
                1. 0
                  6 October 2022 08: 11
                  Once again, to create some additional "organs" of control, just because it seems to someone that the existing ones do not work well, at least it's ridiculous, even if they work poorly, maybe for a start, try to improve their work, and invite someone from the Internet, who knows everything about everything?))))
                  At the expense of the rate, in general, a pearl))) There are General Staff, there are rates in three areas, groups of officers from the combat training department are constantly working at these rates, the "opera" (operational control) is working, in the General Staff itself the wind is already walking along the corridors, the same picture in the Office of the Commander of the Airborne Forces, 70% of the officers at the front, some of them, unfortunately, have already paid their debt in full. In July, they buried Colonel V-va, from the UKVDV, my classmate ... if you don’t know something, it’s better not to write.
                  Who can "see" that the military command is not giving adequate orders? Who understands this better, at the level of a regimental brigade. division, army....? Connoisseurs, divorced as virologists during the pandemic.
                  About the special forces of the explosives about what? What school did he graduate from before joining the special forces? Once again, there are probably mistakes somewhere, but they are always corrected, if I have never flown a helicopter, I will always say this and no one will send me into battle in a helicopter, all references to Tatarsky are nothing at all, once again, I don’t know who Tatarsky is, I don’t want to know, he is not an authority for me at all, where did he serve, what did he command, what city did he take or height ???
                  1. +1
                    7 October 2022 02: 26
                    "There is the General Staff, there are rates in three areas, groups of officers from the combat training department are constantly working at these rates, the "opera" (operational control) is working, in the General Staff itself the wind is already walking along the corridors, the same picture is in the Office of the Commander of the Airborne Forces, 70% of the officers at the front, some have, unfortunately, paid their debt in full." - a beautiful picture. The picture of the inability to establish operational management is from what we see. And how it was possible in WWII. Some kind of headquarters of the Commander-in-Chief with representatives. Unclear...
                    What you wrote is talking about a military catastrophe in general. If we have 70 percent of the General Staff officers at the front, and the situation is as we have ...
                    "Connoisseurs, divorced like virologists during a pandemic." By their deeds, you will know them. Have you heard this? According to the results. And we read the opinions of many people from the fronts. About how management is built, how commands are given, and so on.
                    If such "virologists" are in charge there, as they took anti-covid measures in our country and in the world - why be surprised ...
                    "where did he serve, what did he command, which city did he take or the height ???" - this is an argument from the category of "get it first" - that is, complete demagoguery. To collect information for you, you need to "take the height" - but this is already a circus with horses.
                    A huge number of complaints from people - read at least. Something is being fixed. If they had not written about it and not beat the bells, it is not known that it would be corrected. If volunteers and regions didn’t buy equipment, then in a pixel glass and with one pouch, many would flaunt it. This is with reporting warriors, the supply of "archers" to the troops, and so on ...
                    1. 0
                      7 October 2022 08: 27
                      You do not have an elementary awareness of the situation and certain rules for these events. From the very beginning, we sent troops there, at least 2 times less than what was supposed to go there. Military science, like all sciences (physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology...) has its own laws and rules, violation of which always leads to deplorable results. Even if the entire General Staff, together with its chief, find themselves in the database zone, this does not give birth to soldiers and officers, it will stamp battalions, brigades and regiments. If the commander does not have an army sufficient to achieve the tasks assigned to the commander, he will never win the war! If one of Mike Tyson's arms is cut off, I think a simple CCM from Novo-Khrenovnevo will knock him out.
                      Demagogy is what you are trying to do. Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side!
                      1. +1
                        9 October 2022 02: 42
                        "From the very beginning we sent troops there, at least 2 times less" - who made such a decision? Who created the plans for the operation? Not GSH? Not the Department of Defense? Who? Who trained, selected, equipped the army? Where are the weapons? Where is the "sagittarius" system allegedly supplied to the army?
                        This is all demagogy.
                        We have the decisions of the military and political leadership that led to the current situation.
                      2. 0
                        10 October 2022 07: 57
                        remove the word "military" from the last phrase and it will be correct ....
              2. +1
                5 October 2022 19: 57
                "the process is running, it cannot be stopped by the command" train, stop, one, two!" - of course not. We have the status of actually peacetime for 7 months. Why stop. You can sell these. And to earn money on the construction of new ones. It's like bomb shelters in Moscow. At first, we sell them and repurpose them, since we no longer need to fight, and in general, as Khusnulin said, "now there are other nuclear charges." And then we restore them again. Cycle.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2022 08: 14
                  It has already been said and retold about bomb shelters ..... they really do not correspond to the level of protection, this time, there are so many of them in the country that they are not enough for 3% of the population, these are two, the question is, what the hell is a button accordion for a goat?))))) or do you have confidence that you and your family will be among the lucky ones? I will disappoint you, you will have time, at best, to say goodbye to your loved ones.
                  1. 0
                    7 October 2022 02: 21
                    Oh. Yes, you are a fan of Khusnulinna, I see) And, really. What could be better - to meet the invigorating shock wave of a nuclear explosion :)
                    And, of course, bomb shelters in the USSR were built by idiots. Although the nuclear weapons were the same. Hooray:)
                    1. 0
                      7 October 2022 08: 40
                      Nuclear weapons today are different, let's start with the fact that they are highly accurate. The nuclear doctrine of the 50s and 60s was based on the bombing of cities that were centers for making military-political decisions and large industrial centers. Today, it is the delivery of missile strikes with precise guidance to specific targets and a certain charge power. Pick up a calculator, on the Internet the performance characteristics of average NATO missile systems, calculate the flight time of a rocket launched from the Mediterranean, Baltic, North Seas, from Germany, just in case, the Baltics. If your calculator works correctly, you will get something from 20 to 50 minutes. If you don’t live in Omsk, of course....)))) Remember how much time you spend on the way to work, to the country house, children / grandchildren to kindergarten or school .... if you are able to analyze, then you will understand that there are no options , in general, well, unless a bomb shelter of the required level of protection class is located under every building in the city, there are supplies of water, food, etc. for 10 days, for everyone it can accommodate ...... there are means of protection that will allow you to go to the infected surface, and somewhere later, on something (it's hard to imagine that after that it can move) go to the region of Tibet, the Vasyugan swamps, the Orenburg steppe ..... the main thing, what will be the point then? Therefore, about bomb shelters, this is for grandmothers at the entrance))))
                      1. 0
                        8 October 2022 13: 36
                        "Nuclear weapons are different today, let's start with the fact that they are highly accurate." - yes, yes :) We remember how Monsieur Khusnullin told us this)
                        I honestly marvel at such people) Our country was preparing for possible strikes. For this, there was a network of bomb shelters, a subway was prepared, and so on. Due to the lower accuracy, the warheads were supposed to be MORE POWERFUL. And then people came, osaivivivayuschie money in all possible ways, and began to argue "if they are able to analyze." We are capable :) Therefore, we do not need to fool our heads. It won't work, gentlemen)
                      2. 0
                        10 October 2022 08: 06
                        "We" - usually expressed this way, either crowned persons, or pregnant women, or lousy ... what kind of people are you?))) You can fool the head of someone who has it and works. If you have a calculator at hand (I send it to him again) calculate at a time how much you need for a country with 150 million people in bomb shelters, at the same time use Google and see how many cities of the Russian Federation have a metro (you, apparently) are a resident of Moscow, then 3 do you rarely leave the ring road?))) There was no real "network" of bomb shelters, don't write this nonsense !!!!! Khusnullin (I don’t even know him personally) fired you from work, stole a woman, owes you money?))) Personal enemy?))) About less accuracy, it’s generally horror ...))) the more modern the delivery means, the more accurate they are, a student in the 6th grade knows.
                        And once again, for the "type capable of thinking and analyzing" - read on the Internet about the main damaging factors of nuclear weapons, one of them is "penetrating radiation", read about it, again, for the most stubborn, what and how do you plan to do on the territory having the consequences of nuclear weapons?))))) Is he capable ... don't tell me, capable)))
                      3. 0
                        11 October 2022 01: 59
                        "Which one are you from?)" - from people who remember information. Who, what, when and for what reason says.
                        "how much is needed for a country with 150 million bomb shelters" - no need to distort :) Where are you looking for fools? In the mirror, right.
                        Firstly, we again turn to the experience of the USSR, in which specialists were not as smart as you and those whose adept you are and still built bomb shelters holding calculators in the urks and considering that the blow would be delivered by megaton warheads. That is why in Moscow there was a NETWORK of civilian bomb shelters, bomb shelters of all large enterprises, plus the metro. And in other major cities as well.
                        Secondly, when Khusnullin gave away bomb shelters, it was in Moscow.
                        I return to the first line. "We" are those who read, remember, memorize.
                        You are the ones who are trying to confuse)
                        So if anyone is laughing here, it's you. That's why I'm just tired of you :) Adye.
                      4. 0
                        11 October 2022 08: 56
                        Well, I say, maskvich, then, everything is clear ....)))) he had bomb shelters for everyone, adept.
                  2. 0
                    8 October 2022 13: 38
                    Disappointing. I have 6-7 minutes to the metro by running, 12 steps. And if you bring the regional bomb shelters and former enterprises back to normal. That's three minutes.
                    1. 0
                      10 October 2022 08: 09
                      I wrote above about flight time, about the number of subways in the country, and about everything else, if you are not able to understand the obvious, sorry, the question is not for me ....
        3. -1
          5 October 2022 17: 54
          Well, in order to understand what they will equip and equip, you need to wait until the end of the month .. in principle, it is quite possible to produce 300 K armor during this time according to a simplified scheme - some make vests, others steel armor plates, and others KAPs and anti-splinter packages ..
      5. -1
        5 October 2022 17: 51
        and what not within a week ... they need to be taught, equipped and equipped with equipment .. If in a month and a half an additional 100 K personnel appear on the LBS, this will already significantly change the situation - under the same Liman there were about 2-3 thousand fighters against 20 thousand in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... and if there were also 20 thousand? That's right, there would be no breakthrough in defense
    5. -3
      6 October 2022 09: 52
      Great plan! Take off as quickly as possible.
  2. +5
    4 October 2022 11: 13
    Well, I will be original if I add that the time has come to return the NVP to school, the ideology to the masses. And so on and so forth....
    1. +21
      4 October 2022 11: 35
      Quote: Mungut
      Well, I will be original if I add that the time has come to return the NVP to school, the ideology to the masses. And so on and so forth....

      Well, let's return the ideology and?
      who will be inspired now by "But the grandchildren will live happily!" - if the youth does not even want children?
      Who will need "Land for the peasants" in the countryside if there are no special workers there now?
      Nostalgic for Soviet ideology - they don’t understand that people have changed a lot. As for 45 (!!!) years already, the USSR was practically not found, the agony is no more ...
      What was attractive 100 years ago will not work now ..
      And yes - fresh sticky people will come running - they clarified ideologies. To the feeder....
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        +7
        4 October 2022 14: 13
        Quote: your1970
        And yes - fresh sticky people will come running - they clarified ideologies. To the feeder....

        I would put a dozen pluses if I could!
      2. +3
        4 October 2022 14: 19
        And someone wrote about the ideology of the USSR? This meant the ideals of the society that they have been trying to build for the last 30 years. The question is that it is necessary to set a goal and show the way. Where is the unification of society? And there is none. Those who rushed over the hill are so educated. Only for myself.
        1. +5
          4 October 2022 15: 42
          This meant the ideals of the society that they have been trying to build for the last 30 years.

          Well, what are the ideals of this society? What are we so hard building? Could you voice it? From just not your vision of this marvelous essence, but what happens in real life ....
          1. 0
            4 October 2022 15: 49
            Alas! I am not the guiding star of our empire. My ideals apply only to relatives and others.
            1. +4
              4 October 2022 16: 07
              Heh, then what kind of ideology are we talking about? What we see is called very bad words)), I won’t pronounce them here, there’s no need to upset respectable moderators))
              Therefore, IMHO, all this whining about ideology is an unwillingness to state sad facts. From her, sick, and remembered. Only for some reason they are embarrassed to name this ideology out loud, they are so directly shy .....
        2. AB
          +1
          5 October 2022 13: 04
          Now, in fact, there is an ideology - capitalism in its paramilitary form. That is, in fact, this is the ideology against which the grandfathers fought. She's just hiding behind masks. Take an interest in who Ilyin is, whom our Supreme Anti-Fascist constantly quotes and on the basis of which Dugin (seemingly) writes a "new" ideology for us.
          1. 0
            6 October 2022 00: 00
            Hmm, the commander-in-chief quoted Ilyin. And if I sing songs - Time machines? There Makarevich also became a Judas? You can find another comparable example - the USSR was a country without religion, and the Germans came to us with the slogan - God is with us. And in addition to the swastika on enemy vehicles, there was a Christian cross. So, if someone quoted something...
            1. AB
              0
              6 October 2022 09: 00
              With such reasoning, you can study Mein Kampf in schools, they say there are smart thoughts there)
              1. 0
                6 October 2022 09: 29
                From many knowledge, many sorrows. Any words, deeds, etc., are subject to a difference in judgments. Everyone sees his own, and if someone tells you from what angle to look ....
      3. -2
        4 October 2022 22: 48
        Quote: your1970
        Well, let's return the ideology and?
        who will be inspired now by "But the grandchildren will live happily!" - if the youth does not even want children?

        Ideology in the state is not a slogan on the wall of the house. This is a system of ideas that expresses the interests of the majority of the population of this state. Another thing is that this system needs to be formulated and taken as a basis for building the country's economy and politics. And yes, you are right, people have changed, and therefore a return to the old ideology (tsarist-imperial, Soviet-communist), which some colleagues dream of, would be sheer stupidity.
    2. +5
      4 October 2022 12: 01
      I remember when we had the NVP, a disproportionate amount of time was devoted to drill training. However, this made little sense.
      1. +2
        4 October 2022 14: 12
        And I remember that from the 2nd class I was an airman, and from the 4th class I was a small thing in a school shooting range. Automatic as a native. And they could march and shoot.
      2. +1
        5 October 2022 21: 57
        Sergej1972 (Sergey). Yesterday, 12:01. NEW - "... I remember when we had a NVP, a disproportionate amount of time was devoted to drill training. ..."



        What is POP. such and COMING. request Everything is different. who "served" their work. who taught. to that. what you need in a war. soldier R.S. see others' comments...
        hi
      3. -1
        9 October 2022 14: 20
        There is only one and the main sense from her - the development of the skill of unconditional execution of an order, that is, the habit of fulfilling what is required in the unit. That's why it exists.
    3. 0
      5 October 2022 16: 59
      NVP are already engaged. While volunteers. There is a TG channel "Rokot Z" - they organize free courses on NVP and tactical medicine in all major cities now.
    4. -1
      5 October 2022 17: 55
      and how will the emergence of ideology and NVP now among schoolchildren make it possible to prepare mobs in parts? Why are you putting the cart before the horse?
  3. +21
    4 October 2022 11: 26
    . Reservists up to 35 are subject to partial mobilization

    This is where I stopped reading. The author does not know how the mobilization goes. And all his true theses are broken against the harsh reality.
  4. +4
    4 October 2022 11: 26
    God grant that the mobilized would be used precisely to create the possibility of sending pros into battle from other regions, with further intensive training! For I feel this is not the last mobilization in this war, you need to put the training of the pros on stream! soldier
    1. +7
      4 October 2022 11: 32
      Yes, the third of the described options looks the most reasonable, which means ... Fuck they will do it)
      1. -1
        4 October 2022 11: 44
        Do you think the military mind is replaced by courage?
        If the mobilization is not planned, but "fire", then, unfortunately, there are only two options: replenishment of units and into battle and formation and into battle! If, after all, there was a mobilization plan, because the figure of 300K bayonets came from somewhere, then there is hope for reasonableness feel
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        2. +10
          4 October 2022 18: 26
          Quote: Eroma
          Do you think the military mind is replaced by courage?
          If the mobilization is not planned, but "fire", then, unfortunately, there are only two options: replenishment of units and into battle and formation and into battle! If, after all, there was a mobilization plan, because the figure of 300K bayonets came from somewhere, then there is hope for reasonableness

          Many have neither intelligence nor courage. Mobilization is exactly that of a fire department. It was announced only when it became clear to the most stupid that the current contingent could not even defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but even the results achieved in the first months could not be retained. There is less and less hope for the rationality of those who lead this SVO.
          1. +4
            4 October 2022 19: 26
            I myself understand that the fire department! The plan had to be announced after a gesture of goodwill, with the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv! fool

            Putin discredits himself with attempts to calm down, such as few people will be affected by the war! That, mobilization is not necessary, then partial! There is a real war, with the enemy there is nothing and no one who does not want to win! am
            Ukraine + the West are already on a military footing, the replenishment of troops with everything they need is put on stream, they quickly compensate for losses that are not taken into account! Successful actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine give them experience in the offensive! belay
            And Putin condescendingly declares that we have not started anything yet and we will see how their offensive ends! It doesn't matter what! What matters is how they let this happen! No.
            Quote: Obliterator
            There is less and less hope for the rationality of those who lead this SVO.

            I hope that the war will clear the top of those who did not serve the fatherland, but parasitized! And, unfortunately, we will have to put on stream the preparation and sending of reinforcements, because for an unconditional victory, against 700 thousand troops today, 500 thousand will definitely not be enough! bully
            1. +7
              4 October 2022 20: 03
              Quote: Eroma
              I myself understand that the fire department! The plan had to be announced after a gesture of goodwill, with the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv!

              Putin discredits himself with attempts to calm down, such as few people will be affected by the war! That, mobilization is not necessary, then partial! There is a real war, with the enemy there is nothing and no one who does not want to win!
              Ukraine + the West are already on a military footing, the replenishment of troops with everything they need is put on stream, they quickly compensate for losses that are not taken into account! Successful actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine give them experience in the offensive!
              And Putin condescendingly declares that we have not started anything yet and we will see how their offensive ends! It doesn't matter what! What matters is how they let this happen!
              Quote: Obliterator
              There is less and less hope for the rationality of those who lead this SVO.

              I hope that the war will clear the top of those who did not serve the fatherland, but parasitized! And, unfortunately, we will have to put on stream the preparation and sending of reinforcements, because for an unconditional victory, against 700 thousand troops today, 500 thousand will definitely not be enough!

              With the level of management that we have now, we cannot win this SVO, and personnel changes are still minimal, that is, the chances for a change in approach are low. Those who are now being drafted into the army will be commanded by the same "brilliant" commanders who allowed the regular army to be so tired and exhausted that it was forced to retreat. As one of the military correspondents reported, some units have been at the front since spring, and still have not rested. Well then, be surprised that they are beaten by Ukrainians, who are much better with rotation and replenishment of units.
              1. +5
                4 October 2022 20: 36
                It's hard for me to judge the command and control of the troops. Near Kharkov, we have a clearly weak commander. Both from acquaintances and in the TG there are complaints about problems with the presence of competent commanders feel
                The main problem now is the disgusting forecasting of the development of the conflict and the planning of the war! We stupidly missed the time, allowing the enemy to build up numbers and seize the initiative! If, with the announcement of general mobilization in Ukraine, partial mobilization was announced in Russia, then there would be no Izyum, no Liman! Perhaps now there would have been talks about peace or surrender, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have any trump cards in the form of numbers, as now they simply would not have it, only hopelessness! And now there is courage in Kyiv, this fuse will cost us dearly! fool
                1. +7
                  4 October 2022 20: 52
                  Quote: Eroma
                  The main problem now is the disgusting forecasting of the development of the conflict and the planning of the war!

                  So this is what we're talking about. A lot of predicting the development of a conflict and planning a war are visible even to us from the couch. It seems that the strategy is built with an eye on the best possible situation, although it seems like the army has always been famous for having to prepare for the worst. Information about the situation on the ground is fragmentary, since not everyone likes to wash dirty linen in public for obvious reasons, but what nevertheless comes up is not very encouraging. Particularly surprising is the fact that conscripts are recognized as a sacred cow, which cannot be touched, and it is quite normal to pull out older and not always healthy men from work and families.
                  1. +4
                    4 October 2022 21: 31
                    Quote: Obliterator
                    It seems that the strategy is built with an eye on the best possible situation, although it seems like the army has always been famous for having to prepare for the worst.

                    Quote: Obliterator
                    Particularly surprising is the fact that conscripts are recognized as a sacred cow, which cannot be touched, but

                    These reasons are not in the military! The military just don’t bother with such nuances, any dude with a machine gun is a fighter who can be assigned a combat mission! request
                    Here all the same, the question is for Putin, or who is responsible for public opinion! Restrictions from politicians who are afraid of public discontent with the war! Toli Putin was seduced by the flight of stars and Western hopes to blow up Russia with anti-war demonstrations, if he himself is really afraid to strain his electorate! In his words, with the air of a tough guy who has everything according to plan, there was fear! He still, instead of calling to the nation, reassures everyone, like we are mobilizing only 1%! What this fear is based on, I would understand! what
                    1. -1
                      4 October 2022 21: 52
                      Quote: Eroma
                      These reasons are not in the military! The military just don’t bother with such nuances, any dude with a machine gun is a fighter who can be assigned a combat mission!
                      Here all the same, the question is for Putin, or who is responsible for public opinion! Restrictions from politicians who are afraid of public discontent with the war! Toli Putin was seduced by the flight of stars and Western hopes to blow up Russia with anti-war demonstrations, if he himself is really afraid to strain his electorate! In his words, with the air of a tough guy who has everything according to plan, there was fear! He still, instead of calling to the nation, reassures everyone, like we are mobilizing only 1%! What this fear is based on, I would understand!

                      Maybe he knows something that we do not know, and therefore he has some specific plan in which the participation of large masses of troops is not needed. Otherwise, I don't know what to think either. But it seems that you need to start reading the combat manual, and train your physique, restoring your form. It’s too late to even buy equipment - it’s just space, if you can buy anything at all.
                      1. +3
                        4 October 2022 22: 20
                        Quote: Obliterator
                        Maybe he knows something that we do not know, and therefore he has some specific plan in which the participation of large masses of troops is not needed.

                        Honestly, it seems to me that he is somewhat confused, because he did not expect how things would turn out!
                        It is quite possible that an underestimation of the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is just an overestimation of the combat capability of our army in a mobile war! Therefore, we made a bet on artillery, since during the throws the losses in equipment and people were sensitive! Our aviation was also bitten painfully, apparently, the VKS somehow does not weigh over the Armed Forces of Ukraine like a sword of doomokles!
                        Well, as always, Putin thought that soft-bodied seals were in power in the EU, who would sell their mother for gas and oil, not like Ukraine! wassat and those turned out to be weak-willed US bulldogs! lol
                        In short, there is a whole heap of problems! It was necessary to solve that energetically and immediately, and we threw our hats instead! bully
                      2. +1
                        4 October 2022 22: 30
                        Quote: Eroma
                        Honestly, it seems to me that he is somewhat confused, because he did not expect how things would turn out!
                        It is quite possible that an underestimation of the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is just an overestimation of the combat capability of our army in a mobile war! Therefore, we made a bet on artillery, since during the throws the losses in equipment and people were sensitive! Our aviation was also bitten painfully, apparently, the VKS somehow does not weigh over the Armed Forces of Ukraine like a sword of doomokles!
                        Well, as always, Putin thought that soft-bodied seals were in power in the EU, who would sell their mother for gas and oil, not like Ukraine! and those turned out to be weak-willed US bulldogs!
                        In short, there is a whole heap of problems! It was necessary to solve that energetically and immediately, and we threw our hats instead!

                        You could still be confused for 3 months, but not for the seventh month, but when the Ukrainians had already clearly said that there would be no talk, but there would be a war until surrender. And public opinion is still quite loyal. The more we lose, the harder it will be to get support from society. And she is already far from the same as she was at the beginning of the operation. We hope for the best, we expect the worst!
                    2. 0
                      10 October 2022 11: 51
                      * What this fear is based on, I would understand! * Here I remembered a poem by Demyan Bedny * our Motherland *. because it already happened. and history tends to repeat itself.
        3. +3
          4 October 2022 23: 31
          This figure was taken from the desire not to scare people too much. In reality, for a turning point in the war, you will need to call on a million.
  5. +29
    4 October 2022 11: 32
    "Uralvagonzavod will be enough for two or three months to saturate the army of those mobilized with modern tanks."
    Thank you laughed)
    1. +3
      4 October 2022 11: 57
      Yeah) To remove from storage is the only option, and they do it apparently. There are thousands of them
      1. +10
        4 October 2022 13: 47
        Quote: Alex92
        To remove from storage is the only option, and apparently they do it

        And even minimally update them does not work. And so they drive them to the front in echelons, like my mother gave birth, even without dynamic armor.
      2. +8
        4 October 2022 14: 59
        Here, 1,5 million sets of uniforms have disappeared, and you say thousands are in storage. Not sure))))
        1. -1
          5 October 2022 11: 48
          Yes, who needs those old tanks, and it’s a lot of trouble to steal them)
    2. -4
      4 October 2022 12: 05
      Kharkov tank in wartime was designed to produce 10 tanks per day. In Omsk and Nizhny Tagil the situation is not fundamentally different. But that's all in theory, of course.
      1. +2
        4 October 2022 15: 21
        Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
        Kharkov tank in wartime was designed to produce 10 tanks per day. In Omsk and Nizhny Tagil the situation is not fundamentally different. But that's all in theory, of course.

        The problem is that they were designed for 10 T-34-85s - a mobilization tank of which there was an unlimited number.
        Which the Wehrmacht burned at the same speed (+ - 2-3-5 tanks) as they were released
        1. +1
          4 October 2022 16: 13
          No, these are numbers for the T-64. A very complex product for its time
  6. for
    +2
    4 October 2022 11: 40
    Why not mobilize the staff of the private security company? This field is not plowed.
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    2. +9
      4 October 2022 13: 36
      Quote: for
      Why not mobilize the staff of the private security company?

      "If only it wasn't for me, if only it wasn't for me..."

      What are the employees of the CHOP doing here? They did not sit all their lives on the state neck, and a pension of 45 years does not shine for them.
      1. for
        -2
        4 October 2022 15: 13
        Quote: DenVB
        "If only it wasn't for me, if only it wasn't for me..."

        This is you about yourself. Obviously an employee of the CHOP.
        Half of the country is traded and stolen, half of the country is guarded.
        Actually, I meant at least some preparation.
        on the state neck, and a pension of 45 years does not shine for them.

        If something, I left 61, I worked from the age of 15.
        1. +6
          4 October 2022 15: 46
          Actually, I meant at least some preparation.

          What, in the bath, preparation? Do you even know anything about these miserable private security companies?
          Half are pensioners with disabilities, the rest ... Everything is more fun with the rest. Collectors, for example. Protection of the same Gazprom. Do you really believe that they will be sent to the line? And who, then, will guard the property of Russia?
          The vast majority of guards have the same training as the army, like everyone else - a linden. Not to mention motivation...
  7. +13
    4 October 2022 11: 46
    And who will cook? Aren't they the same people who have already prepared a "compact and professional army", with the involvement of which the front is collapsing before our eyes? Or will the preparation remain on paper, like everything else in the modern "paper RF"? And hundreds of pieces of abandoned equipment look funny against the background of the thesis about "stupid Arabs".
  8. +4
    4 October 2022 12: 17
    Even after two or three months of training and combat rallying, reservists will not reach the level of combat capability of professional soldiers. This takes not months, but years. To develop the necessary skills in combat conditions is completely unreasonable. And that's putting it mildly.

    Developing navy in combat conditions is absolutely necessary for professional military personnel who do not have such navy. Again, a familiar song about professional supermen who have been trained for years and incapacitated reservists. There is no big difference in the losses of contract soldiers and conscripts on the battlefield, and even more so, there is no difference in combat capability after they have spent several weeks at the front.
    Slowing down the mobilization and sending reservists to the front under the pretext of low combat capability is completely unreasonable, and that's putting it mildly. Time is the most valuable resource in war.
  9. +3
    4 October 2022 12: 38
    Quote: Thrifty
    you need at least 700000 people to put under arms

    Strelkov speaks of 1 soldiers.
    But you are fiercely minus the fifth liberal column of VO.
    For some reason, these critics are silent about the Asians who have been sent to their historical homeland, who have received Russian citizenship.
    Well, they do not want to fight for Russia.
    The NWO will end, they will return, and they will demand everything from our state again.
    And they'll get it!
    Pensions, child benefits, qualified medical care, social benefits, etc.
    Illegals found themselves in an even more pleasant position.
    They fled from the war (Tajik-Uzbek conflict) to Russia.
    And we will never call them into the Army.
    Why were mobile military registration and enlistment offices not organized at airports and at Asian border checkpoints?
    It was possible to "shave" at least 170 former citizens of the "stans" for auxiliary work in the troops.
    1. +10
      4 October 2022 13: 21
      Strelkov speaks of 1 soldiers.

      And how well do you have soldiers with rusty machine guns and serviceable B to help in battle? It's not enough for me to believe in it
      But you are fiercely minus the fifth liberal column of VO.

      And why are you dear Ura-patriot why not in the army?
      For some reason, these critics are silent about the Asians who have been sent to their historical homeland, who have received Russian citizenship.
      Well, they do not want to fight for Russia.

      And why would they want to be frightened if they see how the elite of the Russian Federation and the middle class are massively knocking out of the country in order to leave the mobilization to the poorest? They are not idiots
      Why were mobile military registration and enlistment offices not organized at airports and at Asian border checkpoints?

      I’ll answer you why dear cheers, they are afraid of accidentally hooking the elite or the middle class, which is standing in line there
      1. -4
        4 October 2022 13: 35
        Meanwhile, there are over a million security guards in the country, they write about 1.3-1.7 million. Exact data is not known
    2. +1
      4 October 2022 13: 41
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Why were mobile military registration and enlistment offices not organized at airports and at Asian border checkpoints?
      It was possible to "shave" at least 170 former citizens of the "stans" for auxiliary work in the troops.

      But Ravshans and Dzhamshuts are not long-suffering Russian Vankas. They, when in a crowd, can take up knives. And there it is still unclear who will drive whom where, at these border checkpoints.
      1. +3
        4 October 2022 15: 47
        I don’t know about Rovshans, although I have thoughts wink But the fact that the mobiles entered the double basses decently in the cabbage soup - yes. Ilite our defenders ...
      2. +4
        4 October 2022 15: 57
        Veterans of Afghanistan recalled that only Tajiks fought more or less normally from the "stans". Which, plus, still understood the languages ​​​​of the Iranian-speaking peoples of Afghanistan. And the Uzbeks, the Kirghiz, in the mass showed themselves very mediocre. And this is in Soviet times.
        As for Caucasians, there are also questions.
    3. +1
      4 October 2022 18: 16
      For example, I, the same "Asian", received a civil Russian Federation, only this country did not really give me anything, except perhaps only a free education. And then I just took it away) for example, when the construction office went bankrupt, no one returned the money invested in the unfinished apartment to me, because the directors were at the same time with the bureaucrats. Well, I earn my pension by terrible work on the servers. Why should I still ask for it?
    4. +1
      5 October 2022 06: 07
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      For some reason, these critics are silent about the Asians who have been sent to their historical homeland, who have received Russian citizenship.
      Well, they do not want to fight for Russia.

      Kazakhstan claims that about 200 citizens of the Russian Federation entered them. All in all ...
      And it is still necessary to throw away those who are there NOT I went from mobilization and on business, for example ...
  10. +7
    4 October 2022 13: 41
    The author indicated how it should be at the scene. All recent times have shown that the country is not ready for such events. Not in the strength of the spirit. Everything is in order here. But in the strength of professionalism. The country relaxed, samooyukalas.NOT join the army, and to hell with them. Professionalism is honed not on contracts, but in constant combat training. He served for three years. Shooter. By today's standards, a pawn. But during the service there were so many firings that it is impossible to remember everything. . I still remember the numbers.
  11. 0
    4 October 2022 13: 49
    The LDNR said the same thing. But as in reality - we know, especially after the Izyum-Balakleya breakthrough.
  12. +4
    4 October 2022 16: 00
    Wrote in a comment to another comment) But I’ll take it out separately, expanding a little.
    To begin with, it’s okay to equip, prepare, train at least 200. At the same time, these are the first, at least with experience in the army, someone in combat operations, at least the military departments of officers. There are still 000 volunteers. OK. And then many buy some of the equipment at their own expense. Because it's not enough. Because it's not convenient. And so on. At the same time, stupid people in uniform take away tablets and smartphones from gunners. On which are artillery and topogeodesic programs. Without which, drones cannot be launched either. And many again go with personal drones. After all, as our officials say, "we have the best UAVs and there are enough of them." What's next? Less prepared mobilized will go. They need to be taught not for two weeks, but for three months. Do you know how much you studied in training before sending military personnel to Afghanistan? First two months. Then three. And the last four years of the war - five months! During the peacekeeping operations of the 70s in Ossetia, the contingent was trained for at least a month. And they were not mobilized. And officers and contractors from the troops.
    For example, I already have the second category and an outdated VUS - there are no such systems in service. If you call me, I need to be retrained seriously. Who will be doing this? And according to what general VUS will they cook and how much time? Will we master the new, normal, 2017 Combat Regulations? Or is it on paper and they don’t fight on it?
    And you say, like Strelkov - to call on 700 ... We need to establish a training system. Here at the Ukrainians. They have non-stop in Britain, 000 are prepared for a couple of months and sent. Now it has been expanded to 10. And they are taught. And not "they called me to the draft board, they gave me a rusty machine gun, they gave me a hundred grams of vodka and a large piece of herring, and go, brother, fight" :)
    Yes, in the summer they plugged the teroboroni. But that's all. This stage has passed. They shut up and prepared a normal replenishment during this time.
    Trying to plug holes with mobs without proper preparation will cause serious consequences in Russia.
    Correctly, Delegyain said "few people seem to understand that without the mobilization of the economy and the state, the mobilization of the population is a modification to a change in the social system" ...
    If the current "neither fish nor fowl" is replaced by "everything to win" - we will lose.
  13. +1
    4 October 2022 18: 42
    I wonder in what other Russian cities, besides Lugansk, they grab them right on the street?
    1. +2
      4 October 2022 20: 34
      There is an old saying "Who does not want to build a dam, there is no place for it", but in terms of mobilization, this concept is broader than calling on a reservist, mobilization applies to finance, and industry, and in general any resources, and most importantly, the mobilization of the consciousness of everyone and everyone. By the way, in some cases, called-up reservists can be trained at the place of residence without being sent to a training camp, that is, two or three times a week, or attend appropriate courses every day, the main thing is that as many people as possible go through them.
  14. +8
    4 October 2022 21: 10
    Three hundred thousand mobilized ... With the proper level of operational skill of the command, this is strength

    what a ... fig power ...
    after a couple of weeks of "coordination" ... :)
    mobilized, in fact - a purely peaceful civilian ...
    cooks, chauffeurs, clerks, barbers and other "baristas"...
    well, he used to hold an ak once, and what ... on guard mostly ...
    most have a belly from beer further than the barrel ...
    they need to be brought into shape for six months, taught the tactics of fighting a squad-platoon, which they were guaranteed not to learn during the deadline - in those days, not every flyer knew this ...
    and even now only those who are in the Donbass know ...
    in the Kharkov and Liman "withdrawal to more advantageous positions" there were also "mobiles", basically, they fought as best they could ...
    this is not enough - you need to skillfully ...
    the fact that dill is preparing a reserve was announced by them back in the spring - they mobilized up to a million, if you believe, NATO instructors trained them for six months, equipped them to the fullest, armed them, and tested them in small battles ...
    and now, as promised, they launched it in the fall ...
    our armchairs in stripes, haven’t they heard this - why there was no preparation ...
    and now, in a couple of months, will these poor fellows be allowed to taste the blood of dill victories?
    Yes, they will crumble them into minced meat ...
    you saw a video of how musicians train their recruits (if this is not a performance), that's exactly how all mobilized people need to be trained for at least a couple of months, at least ...
    in battle, a warrior should not react to "explosions", but to the deed
    but tops to the light bulb ...
  15. -1
    4 October 2022 21: 29
    Without a general systematic approach: the restructuring of industry to close problem areas in equipment, medicine, the speedy introduction of RUK, it is possible to purchase those parts in which we are wildly lagging behind, the restructuring of the military bureaucracy with the removal of unnecessary unnecessary links, the decision-making and responsibility system, the elimination of the house of interaction and management. Without this, the mobilization of human resources will not give anything, we are at war with a well-equipped and experienced army, which is backed by the NATO bloc.
  16. +6
    5 October 2022 00: 03
    Two or three months will be enough for Uralvagonzavod to saturate the army of those mobilized with modern tanks.
    Are you serious about writing this? Will they produce a thousand tanks in 2-3 months? And all that is needed for these tanks to go into battle is already there? And the backlog is already at the factory, right? Metal on racks, instrumentation in warehouses? Have you ever been in production at all?
  17. +1
    5 October 2022 08: 55
    T-62 just could find application in the interior districts. The calculation for Uralvagonzavod is unjustifiably optimistic - the production of hundreds of tanks is a costly business.
  18. +1
    5 October 2022 14: 02
    "After all, in Russia, industry has long since switched to mobilization mode, and two or three months will be enough for Uralvagonzavod to saturate the army of those mobilized with modern tanks."

    I would like to believe in what has been said, but somehow I can’t believe it ... In general, somehow trulno before, I tell myself, as a 30-year-old man, who has been in civilian life for 5-7 years, working and starting a family, now in a month and a half he will learn to ready to fight professionally in the trenches. But God forbid, all the same, it will work out and the mobilized will cope.
  19. +1
    5 October 2022 15: 10
    Are they seriously going to fight with Kalash? In modern warfare, Kalash are only useful against an unarmed enemy and in police operations. Well, as a means of self-defense, like pistols for officers.
    It is necessary to take money from Nabiulina and distribute it to factories, order modern weapons. And to mobilize people to work in these factories!
  20. 0
    7 October 2022 13: 34
    Quote: Mungut
    And someone wrote about the ideology of the USSR? This meant the ideals of the society that they have been trying to build for the last 30 years.


    And what are these ideals? Enrichment at any cost?
    Like in a good Soviet cartoon:
    "Love yourself, sneeze at everyone and success awaits you in life!".
    Do you propose to unite our society on such an ideology? With such an attitude, will we go into battle and win?
    However, hardly.