The enemy continues to try to cut off Krasny Liman from supplies: a new report from the Ministry of Defense

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The enemy continues to try to cut off Krasny Liman from supplies: a new report from the Ministry of Defense

The enemy continues to attempt to take Krasny Liman or bypass it from the north, taking it into an operational encirclement and cutting off supplies. At the moment, this is the most difficult direction of all for the Russian troops.

The fighting in the area of ​​Krasny Liman and Kupyansk does not stop, the enemy continues to put pressure, throwing more and more new reserves into battle and not taking losses into account. Intense battles are going on in the Kupyansk region, the enemy has occupied the Kupyansk-uzlovaya station and a piece of the industrial zone. Attempts to pass to the north were bogged down in our defenses. The situation is very complicated, there is simply not enough people, but you can’t transfer them from other areas. Therefore, it remains to stand and hold on, waiting for the reinforcements to arrive. Artillery helps a lot, and in all areas. The losses of the Armed Forces here amounted to more than 70 people killed, four tank, six infantry fighting vehicles and three armored vehicles.



The enemy's attempts to take Krasny Liman head-on failed, but the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the north of the city was quite successful, several settlements were taken. However, they pass from hand to hand, so it is impossible to say exactly under whom these villages are. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are pressing in the Yampol area, trying to take it and force the Russian troops to retreat so as not to be surrounded. This means leaving Krasny Liman and Drobyshevo.

It is stable in the south, ours are finishing off the surviving Vushniks on the so-called Andreevsky bridgehead, the enemy conducts small counterattacks, falls under artillery strikes and aviation and retreats after suffering losses. In Soledar and Artemovsk, ours are advancing, but without significant advances. In other areas, positional battles.

Against this background, the Russian Armed Forces continue to hit the rear and positions of the Ukrainian group, disabling reserves and military equipment. In Zaporozhye, a precision strike on a hardware repair facility on the territory of the plant destroyed 10 field artillery pieces, including two M777s, four MLRS and 15 vehicles. In Kharkov, the VKS covered the production shops of the armored plant, in which there were more than 90 tanks and other armored combat vehicles for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How many vehicles actually lost the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not reported. In the Nikolaev region, the S-300 air defense radar was destroyed.

Our fighters shot down another Su-24 front-line bomber in the Gusarovka area of ​​the Kharkov region. Anti-aircraft gunners landed five drones, shot down two Tochka-U missiles and seven HIMARS and Alder MLRS shells.

According to the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the strikes of artillery, missiles and aviation: in the Kharkiv region more than 150 "two hundred" from the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the Zaporozhye region and on the island of Khortytsya - more than a hundred Ukrainian military, in the Nikolaev region - more than 90 military and foreign mercenaries.

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  1. +22
    28 September 2022 14: 06
    The enemy continues to try to cut off Krasny Liman from supplies: a new report from the Ministry of Defense
    . Can someone explain this situation?
    The crisis, the retreat is not the first day, so what? Big losses of the enemy stop ???
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 14: 09
      They didn't write about everything.
      A high-precision strike by the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Kharkov region hit the production shops of an armored plant, in which there were more than 90 tanks and other armored combat vehicles for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. 66 people killed, four tanks, six infantry fighting vehicles and three armored vehicles.
      Russian Aerospace Forces hit the temporary deployment points of the Chaika tactical group from the 36th Marine Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the island of Khortytsya, as well as the 56th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye region. Over 100 servicemen and 20 pieces of military equipment were eliminated.


      In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 305 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 2099 unmanned aerial vehicles, 377 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5143 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 851 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3433 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 5963 units of special military vehicles.

      https://rusvesna.su/news/1664360918
      1. +16
        28 September 2022 14: 43
        What's the point of hitting the rear without destroying the supply routes, I'm all about the infrastructure that has already been imposed on my teeth.
        1. +4
          28 September 2022 21: 00
          No, it's good for the tractor plant, but it's not good for ukram near Krasny Liman?
      2. +11
        28 September 2022 14: 44
        This is a statistic
        ...
        Whatever it is, the enemy is stubborn, seized the initiative, and the technology will still be thrown at him, this is a fact.
    2. +4
      28 September 2022 14: 10
      I don't understand much either...
      Quote: rocket757
      The enemy continues to try to cut off Krasny Liman from supplies: a new report from the Ministry of Defense
      . Can someone explain this situation?
      The crisis, the retreat is not the first day, so what? Big losses of the enemy stop ???
      1. +18
        28 September 2022 14: 33
        More interesting is the theme of air supremacy.
        The lack of strategic air supremacy seems to impose significant restrictions on the actions of Russian aviation. This allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to provide a fairly effective logistics support for the front line, transport ammunition, manpower, weapons and military equipment, evacuate and repair damaged equipment. Even the problem with the supply of fuel seems to have resolved - Ukrainian tanks have not been laid up. There are no communication problems, the cities are illuminated, the Internet and television work. The railway is functioning properly - well, they destroyed a couple of bridges, a couple of traction substations - most of this has already been repaired. And spending "Caliber" and "Iskander" on each transformer box - you will not save up any resources.

        The effect of the preventive strike was weakened and missed, the reserves were not prepared. It is not surprising that the West is becoming impudent, and the Ukrainian Nazis are stepping up resistance to "demilitarization" and "denazification."
        Nothing fundamentally changes for the better, with the on-duty performances of Konashenkov-Vysokotochny ...
        When will we start in earnest, because it should have been done yesterday.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 14: 47
          About yesterday ... The logo happened, time cannot be unscrewed back.
          About today, tomorrow ... but this is really important, now.
        2. +3
          29 September 2022 12: 21
          “Even the problem with the supply of fuel seems to have resolved - the Ukrainian tanks have not been laid up. There are no problems with communication, the cities are lit, the Internet and television are working. The railway is functioning properly - well, they destroyed a couple of bridges, a couple of traction substations - most of It's already been fixed...."
          ****************************************************************************
          And this is, firstly, because there is no SYSTEM, i.e. NO CONTINUOUS, TARGETED and MASSIVE strikes against ALL of the above.
          And there are some "one-off", chaotic demonstration "attacks" ...

          Secondly, there are NO strikes on "decision-making centers". Also CONTINUOUS, MASSIVE, PURPOSED. And according to the "inhabitants" of these centers, too ...

          It is OBVIOUS that in order to carry out such strikes, both against objects of the first (fuel and energy complex, transport infrastructure, energy, etc.) and the second kind ("decision-making centers"), there is no "air supremacy" over the territory of the former united Ukraine, so far still controlled by the Kyiv Nazis, is not required ...

          It is quite enough, the SYSTEMATIC use of high-precision weapons with warheads of increased power (destructive power), from the air defense sectors, which are reliably covered by Russian air defense (ABM) systems ...

          Those. are outside the air defense zone of the Kyiv Nazis ...

          Why all of the above is not being done, the question is not to Konashenkov, but to the Kremlin "interlocutor" of Erdogan, who gave the order to start the NWO. By the way, on the agenda of the latter, there is already a “talk with Putin” (at the request of the Kyiv clown, by the way ...) about a certain “inadmissibility” of including the territories of the East and South of the former united Ukraine into Russia, based on the results of a referendum held by the population of these territories. ..
      2. -2
        28 September 2022 14: 45
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        I don't understand much either...

        Are you talking about?
    3. -5
      28 September 2022 14: 10
      and what can I explain here, only a few reinforcement brigades are missing, there is nowhere to take it, or rather there is, but the enemy will immediately notice the transfer
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 14: 15
        Is it impossible to transfer from the border with Estonia, Latvia, Finland, Norway? If NATO tramples, they won’t help one damn thing, but by the way they will be here.
        1. +11
          28 September 2022 14: 18
          There are no troops on the border, there are only border detachments of the FSB, to catch unarmed violators.
          1. -12
            28 September 2022 14: 20
            200 thousand - the total number of Border Troops. Transfer at least 50 thousand - something will already happen. So no need to whistle that there is no. There is. We just don't have a head.
            1. +8
              28 September 2022 14: 25
              200 thousand - the total number of Border Troops
              Have you tried to recalculate the length of the state border?
              1. -6
                28 September 2022 14: 41
                Well, then what? What gives this length? I propose not to drive from Siberia and the Far East, but from the North-West. Or do you think happy Europeans will flock to us in droves for permanent residence?
                1. +5
                  28 September 2022 17: 20
                  I propose not to drive from Siberia and the Far East, but from the North-West.
                  That is, you think that it is possible to expose the border? Northwest, southeast... What's the difference? The border must be protected. It's not that foreigners will run for permanent residence, it's banal DRG can cross the border. You have a good idea, only not for us, but for the enemy ...
                  1. -6
                    28 September 2022 17: 27
                    Dear, wake up. There are the countries of Nata. The border guards can't stop them. In addition, I suggest sending mobikov to the border. In which case, the NATO armada will still have to be stopped with a nuclear weapon. Or do you think that Europeans will flock to Russia for permanent residence? I now think that crowds of migrants are attacking the Finns. But that's already their problem. Comprende?
                    1. +2
                      28 September 2022 17: 38
                      You either went over so much that you are not able to read and think, or you didn’t go over it, but still you are not able ... What does permanent residence and crowds of Europeans have to do with it?! One group of saboteurs is enough.
                      If you send mobilized to the border who do not know all the intricacies of the border service, then it’s not a question: for 3 months, at a minimum, they are trained, but then ... In short, negotiate with the General Staff and the FSB, and in three or four months the mobilized will be able to replace the border guards, who, in turn, may be sent to the LDNR.
                      1. -8
                        28 September 2022 17: 50
                        You don't seem to be able to. What saboteurs? Girls "Kayselit" due to the periodicity of under "" ha storm will take the men's baths? or will hot Finnish deffs take combine operators hostage? Why do limitrophes need hemorrhoids? When the owner says, then they will trample. But not before. You don't have to make fools out of them.
                        Why should I negotiate? Am I the Minister of Defense or General General? So let Shoigu and Putin think together.
                    2. -3
                      28 September 2022 21: 57
                      I just now, it was the case, I supported you with a twinkle. Well, don't get so excited. Our General Staff cannot "take on the balance sheet" of the border guards. Maybe it's for the best, they won't kill it, as Khodakovsky describes it.
                      There is nowhere to wait for reinforcements. It remains only to move the rear and technical personnel to the front (neither give nor take "airfield divisions").
                      There are actually two outputs:
                      1. Martial law and general mobilization. At the same time, thanks to "optimization", it will be necessary to buy conventional weapons somewhere and incur losses comparable to the active periods of the Great Patriotic War.
                      2. The transition of the conflict to the highest level with the use of nuclear weapons (including SSBNs). It is fraught with unpredictable consequences and an inadequate response from NATO.
                      I don’t consider the issue of draining the NWO and attempts to agree on principle, since any form of betrayal will inevitably lead to the destruction of Russia as a state.
                      1. +4
                        28 September 2022 22: 14
                        1. Martial law and general mobilization. At the same time, thanks to "optimization", it will be necessary to buy conventional weapons somewhere and incur losses comparable to the active periods of the Great Patriotic War.

                        How many children were there then and how many now? "Sensitivity" to population losses is now completely different. And the factor of June 22, 1941 does not work for us. The wars started of their own choice, under the most just slogans, enjoying broad support in society at the initial stage, Russia waged much less successfully than when there was an invasion of our historical territory. How inspired were the people in 1914, crowds poured into recruiting stations, and how did it end in 1917? But if objectively, the state of affairs in the rear in France, in Germany was worse than in Russia, but it was the Republic of Ingushetia that collapsed, and the mobilized military personnel of the reserve regiments, and the sailors of the Baltic Fleet, had a hand in the collapse of the state to a large extent.
                        2. The transition of the conflict to the highest level with the use of nuclear weapons (including SSBNs). It is fraught with unpredictable consequences and an inadequate response from NATO.

                        Here is just one question - what kind of NATO reaction would you call adequate, and what would not? And what kind of reaction do you expect from our allies - China, India, the CSTO countries, first of all - Belarus?
                      2. 0
                        29 September 2022 20: 29
                        War will dull the sensitivity. With regards to offensive and defensive wars, Russia has a balance here. Central Asia did not voluntarily join. Just like the Caucasus and Siberia. These were all wars of conquest. The Russian-Japanese started the Japanese. In the Soviet-Polish, the Poles had to be driven out of Kyiv. It is not clear who started with Finnish. And with the Swedes and the Poles, we alternately started and defended.
                        In 1914 there was no such animation. Especially after the shameful Russian-Japanese. There, the king of French loans scored and sent our troops to certain death.
                        Also forgot to add. Tsarist officials did not give Kotelnikov's newly invented parachute to Russian pilots for fear that they would leave the planes. Here such then idiocy was. And besides Brusilov, none of the sensible generals comes to mind.
                      3. -1
                        28 September 2022 22: 29
                        Yes, that's nonsense. I don't believe there are reinforcements for sure. Why are they not introduced - the question? And when will these Gerasimovs be driven from the headquarters? After all, all these failures and jambs on it.
                        If the nucleus is used, then the areas are closer to the Polish border. Infect. themselves make no sense.
                        And about the fact that our Headquarters cannot take on the balance of border guards - it can. And think if such a thought did not even reach their empty vats. Estimate what Pinocchio command us. Although they could organize two counterattacks from the south (Mariupol through Pologi to the rear of Pokrovsk) and from the north through Sumy, cutting off the Kharkov supply line. That's when the Sumerians would fuss. So I think the point is not the lack of reserves, but the lack of brains among our commanders. The Red Army was in a civilian state in a worse position. She was surrounded on all sides. Yudenich was at Petrograd. Withstood and defeated against more trained and equipped troops. "Cadres decide everything!". There will be personnel and reserves.
                        And still I don’t understand the stupid desire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to climb into the Donbass fortified area. This is both strategically and tactically very stupid. This is classic Verdun with no chance of success. What for the best personnel officers in fortified areas to grind? Rosnachi through defeat, through shame, through natural selection in the end, will find the best solutions, and then what? A blow to the exhausted troops in the Donbass. A blow through Sumy, cutting off the supply of the Kharkov group. Attack on Nikolaev and access to Odessa.
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                    1. 0
                      29 September 2022 20: 31
                      Where did you run away? I'm talking about fortified areas.
            2. 0
              28 September 2022 14: 31
              And how many border guards have contract soldiers?
              1. +2
                28 September 2022 14: 47
                They are mostly under contract. At least that's what I have.
            3. +6
              28 September 2022 14: 36
              Are the border troops ready for combined arms combat? Do they know what to do during an artillery raid, a tank attack? To prepare and arm them for this for another couple of months, respectively.
              1. -4
                28 September 2022 14: 42
                Of course ready. At least they will be much more prepared than mobs.
              2. +4
                28 September 2022 22: 21
                Are the mobilized ready for this? And the fact that they will be in the combat zone much earlier than in 2 months - do not go to a fortune teller.
            4. +3
              28 September 2022 14: 38
              Quote: Nickelium
              200 thousand - the total number of Border Troops.

              These are all light infantry with riflemen. With the conduct of hostilities that we now see, it’s just “meat”.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 14: 43
                So we are critically short of meat. Hear CRITICALLY! So the militias with the army, too, as it were - meat. And they hold up well.
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 14: 48
                  Quote: Nickelium
                  So we are critically short of meat. Hear CRITICALLY!

                  So you are for a "meat grinder", and from our side? That's what they would say right away. laughing
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2022 14: 56
                    I am for the fact that superior forces do not fight against us and the Kuban with the brave do not have to show miracles of courage. And the meat grinder has been going on since February. or was the parade march to Kharkov and near Kyiv not a meat grinder? We've suffered the biggest losses there since the days of the company.
                2. +3
                  28 September 2022 14: 54
                  We don’t have meat ...., don’t dare to call our guys meat, minced meat is in your head .... that’s why dictionary diarrhea is pouring out ....
                  1. +1
                    28 September 2022 14: 56
                    Quote from uprun
                    We don’t have meat ...., don’t dare to call our guys meat, minced meat is in your head .... that’s why dictionary diarrhea is pouring out ....

                    This is not for me, this is for the author of this statement
                    Quote: Nickelium
                    So we are critically short of meat. Hear CRITICALLY!
                    1. -6
                      28 September 2022 14: 58
                      Look for authors above. And then they poured the wine themselves, they themselves accused. Maybe "non-meat" will support the guys under the Red Estuary? As?
                  2. -2
                    28 September 2022 15: 00
                    Dear, you decide here in the end we have meat or guards? And then you play tyanitolkaev here, and then throw confetti on the uninitiated. Can you roll the dice?
                    1. -1
                      29 September 2022 18: 30
                      So go on, are you whining here? Wouldn't it be easier to just go?
                3. 0
                  28 September 2022 21: 59
                  War with meat - the doctrine of Falkengine. The result is known in advance - so why try?.
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2022 22: 05
                    Now what doctrine is at war? Freud or Leopold?
            5. +1
              28 September 2022 16: 48
              NO BORDER TROOPS! There are NO frontier posts and frontier detachments (THEY ARE ONLY IN FILMS), there are small border service departments ONLY WITH LIGHT small arms. 200 thousand was in Soviet times. Now.....(Little)
              1. -3
                28 September 2022 17: 16
                Don't spread misinformation. In the USSR, there were over a million people in the border guards ..
                1. 0
                  29 September 2022 11: 19
                  Quote: Nickelium
                  Don't spread misinformation. In the USSR, there were over a million people in the border guards ..

                  Dear forum member! I don't know where you got this information, even the CIA spoke only from "220 thousand KGB special forces." USSR is not. This data has not been secret for a long time. And you do not distribute inflated numbers, like some Nobel laureate writers on the principle "it seems to me"
                  1. 0
                    29 September 2022 14: 03
                    Dear, is the CIA the ultimate truth? Calculate the length of the borders of the USSR (not Russia!). Calculate how many contingents were in the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary. It is also, in fact, a border. So there is no need to puff out your cheeks and trump shiaye, ENESEI and other prodigies here.
                    1. 0
                      29 September 2022 15: 13
                      Why "the truth of the CIA?" ATS countries (Czechs, Germans, Hungarians and Poles guarded their borders themselves). The border guard density per 1 km was different everywhere). Therefore, 67 thousand km of the Soviet border were guarded in different ways. In the north, the length of sections for 50-70 people was several hundred kilometers; in the western, Transcaucasia, much less. I will not argue with you. Communicate with others who know these times, and you will understand that your ideas in this matter are not correct.
                      1. 0
                        29 September 2022 15: 54
                        Your false conclusions are incorrect. If the Czechs, Germans and Poles guarded their borders, why was there such a large group of troops? So your knowledgeable people are just as fake as your conclusions.
                      2. 0
                        29 September 2022 16: 33
                        read the available materials ("Sentinels of the Soviet borders." Unfortunately, there is no time to look for photos on the Internet, go to the library, if you are really interested, take the binders of the magazine "Border Guard" for the 80s and photos of border guards-Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, along with our border guards you will find
                      3. 0
                        29 September 2022 17: 01
                        Alternatively, type in the search engine "Czechoslovakia border guards", Polish border guards, etc. In the photo, they differ from the soldiers of the people's armies in green caps
                      4. 0
                        29 September 2022 17: 14
                        number of about 220 thousand at the end of 1991, before the collapse of the Soviet Socialist Republic
                      5. 0
                        29 September 2022 17: 26
                        Lie. Gorbachevism was already at work there.
                      6. 0
                        29 September 2022 17: 42
                        find veterans-border guards in your city, chat. All the best!
                      7. 0
                        29 September 2022 20: 14
                        They say that you are lying and generally on the other side.
                      8. 0
                        29 September 2022 20: 14
                        As an option, the search engine has been edited.
                      9. 0
                        30 September 2022 10: 28
                        I will not post scanned documents here. Get further confused. The dialogue is over.
                      10. 0
                        30 September 2022 16: 39
                        Well, of course you won't. Why fake drive?
            6. 0
              29 September 2022 17: 48
              Quote: Nickelium
              200 thousand - the total number of Border Troops. Transfer at least 50 thousand - something will already happen. So no need to whistle that there is no. There is. We just don't have a head.

              Let's mobilize the Ministry of Emergency Situations then. But seriously, the border guards are the FSB, they have nothing to do with the Moscow Region.
              1. 0
                29 September 2022 20: 17
                Do people with disabilities serve in the Ministry of Emergency Situations? It will be necessary - they will call. It's you all playing "seriously - not seriously." And if you are of military age and served - welcome!. And you are a border guard or a policeman, it does not matter. I understand also a military engineer or designer.
                1. 0
                  29 September 2022 21: 57
                  Quote: Nickelium
                  Do people with disabilities serve in the Ministry of Emergency Situations? It will be necessary - they will call. It's you all playing "seriously - not seriously." And if you are of military age and served - welcome!. And you are a border guard or a policeman, it does not matter. I understand also a military engineer or designer.

                  Only this is not a task, the security forces have reservations and they are not subject to conscription.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 01: 02
                    Today - reservation, and tomorrow - into the fire. The situation in this world is changing too fast. Especially for the security forces. Tea is not design engineers.
      2. 0
        28 September 2022 14: 49
        Who cares about the transfer???
        If there are no reserves, you cannot interfere, it remains to do what you did or retreat.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 15: 14
          Does anyone care about the surrender of new territories and the approach of the enemy to Lisichansk?
          1. +3
            28 September 2022 15: 45
            For example, we are worried. Local residents, who believed that they were finally and forever freed, are also worried ... and then what???
            1. 0
              28 September 2022 15: 53
              The retreat from the estuary is all right for Severodonetsk, boundary and Lysychansk, these 3 cities are worse than the loss of Kherson
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 22: 24
            Your suggestions? How will we prevent?
    4. +18
      28 September 2022 14: 24
      Quote: rocket757
      Can someone explain this situation?

      Well, for example, as Alexander Khodakovsky explains in the cart today...
      The units formed even before the announcement of the mobilization come in - and their behavior resembles the behavior of an animal released into the wild, born and raised in a zoo. One company entered the settlement at a position next to us, settled down, laid out the BC in the correct geometric shape, put the equipment nearby - for convenience. Well, our officers arrived to link up, saw this picture and let's push everyone into the basement - they barely managed to cover everyone with artillery.

      Today, from the same guard, a column decided to drive from point A to point B and locked themselves right on the enemy’s position - few people jumped out of the fire. Well what is it????? Lord army chiefs, what are you doing? We have been fighting for more than eight years, and in this operation from the first days, who is stopping you from coming and building interaction so that we show, teach, accompany, help? ....

      Every time it's the same - we have open intentions, but they look at us from the height of generals' shoulder straps. Until you find sane officers downstairs, work will not get better. Maybe it's good to imitate strategists already? Already tired of raking after you ....
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 14: 39
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Well, for example

        For example, they talked about it ... God forbid, a couple of three months ago !!! Military correspondents, militia commanders, and even those commanders of the RF Armed Forces who managed to sniff gunpowder and survive, save their units !!!
        Front-line, trench experience, it's like a school of life, survival and getting it better ... CORRECT !!!
        I will not write anything else, some PI PI PI will not do, which means there will again be complaints, unpleasant.
        Moreover, no one is interested in our revelations.
    5. +3
      28 September 2022 15: 06
      Quote: rocket757
      The crisis, the retreat is not the first day, so what? Big enemy losses stop?

      All these losses do not look obvious, they look local, local. Now, if you destroy the critical infrastructure at least in most of the territory of the dill, then this would be noticed. Especially with their propaganda.
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 15: 49
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        Now, if you destroy critical infrastructure at least in most of the territory

        I don’t want to talk about sad things, BUT ... after all, someone has already set their sights on everything that is there, clung to it, specifically.
        For the people, this is liberation, and for some, this is a capture and future profits.
        Cynical, disgusting, but this cannot be ruled out.
    6. -1
      28 September 2022 15: 09
      Quote: rocket757
      . Can someone explain this situation?

      What's incomprehensible here? The enemy has the initiative. Given the level of the crisis (not a platoon-company-battalion), it will not be resolved quickly.
      Thanks to our guys for staying in Liman. City ukrov as a bone in the throat. Taking it, they would again enter the operational space and then decide where to attack. Along the border towards Lugansk, or turn around to Lisichansk-Severodonetsk. And that and that is unpleasant.
      But you can’t hold on to Lyman forever. Already smells like a boiler hi
      Py.Sy: And yes, apparently there are no reserves request
      1. +4
        28 September 2022 15: 53
        Who will bow in the belt, real warriors, we know, although not by name, yet!
        But to whom our NOT THANKS should be brought, so much so that the tail, to the very ears !!! When will we find out??? Names, surnames, positions...
        The question is not idle, the country, the people, must know "their heroes" !!!
    7. AAK
      +8
      28 September 2022 16: 25
      The enemy is trying to surround Krasny Lyman, and the command of the NMD is watching this, damn it, extremely carefully, literally trying to miss a single episode ...
      1. AAK
        0
        28 September 2022 16: 26
        And where is our "guard"? Are your pants already dry, or are the irregulars going to take the rap again?
    8. +1
      4 October 2022 12: 55
      It’s time to finally find and apply some effective countermeasures, stop the Banderaites and drive them back, or whatever, we’ll retreat all the way to Belgorod, we need to do something, we can’t lose this battle by any means.
      1. 0
        4 October 2022 13: 55
        A lot of things IS TIME and NECESSARY, but it can only be done ???
        Crawled out / appeared ... yes, a lot of things got out and showed up, without eliminating which, the same "strange war" will continue.
  2. +3
    28 September 2022 14: 07
    Campaign under Liman ... oops, either there are no reserves to hold on to, or some kind of ingenious plan ....., no matter how it turned out like about ships ....., tacked, tacked ....
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    1. -8
      28 September 2022 14: 16
      2 weeks as already left. Have you just woken up?
    2. 0
      28 September 2022 14: 18
      They left only the western part of Kupyansk. A month ago.
      1. -1
        28 September 2022 14: 44
        Eastern too. They just don't talk about it officially.
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 15: 27
          Quote: Nickelium
          Eastern too. They just don't talk about it officially.

          Well, yes! Why, then, do the Ukrainians report not about the capture of Kupyansk, but about the occupation of the Kupyansk-Uzllova station?
          1. -2
            28 September 2022 17: 19
            Because he is in the gray zone.
  4. +2
    28 September 2022 14: 14
    How much more time is needed to stabilize the Kharkov Front?
  5. +14
    28 September 2022 14: 18
    The situation is very complicated, there is simply not enough people, but you can’t transfer them from other areas.

    In terms of??? What a week is coming!! Ok, the NVO group has no reserves, but what, in all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during this time they did not find something to strengthen the defense?
    What the most ridiculous excuse possible.
    Therefore, it remains to stand and hold on, waiting for the reinforcements to march.

    - an awesome solution to the problem! The enemy is moving reinforcements, and we have one recipe - hold on! Yes, our fighters will stand to the last, but this is not how such problems should be solved. So much time has passed, and we can't find all the reinforcements? This is some nonsense.
    1. -4
      28 September 2022 14: 22
      no specially waiting for encirclement and defeat
    2. -3
      28 September 2022 14: 23
      What the most ridiculous excuse possible.

      And who are you referring to?
      1. +4
        28 September 2022 14: 25
        Don't you think that to the one whose words in the comment I highlighted with a quote?
        The article is clearly a compilation of my summary and the personal opinion of the author, who did not leave his signature under it. Therefore - to the anonymous author.
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 15: 26
          Thanks for the answer. I join you in your opinion. hi
  6. +1
    28 September 2022 14: 23
    I'm not an expert, I write "from the couch".
    In the case of the Kherson region, as the military correspondents write, they simply bombarded the "Andreevsky bridgehead" with the FAB-500 - and that's great! The correct approach is that there is enough stock of this stuff from Soviet times.
    But why they don’t act in the same way in the Kharkov direction is not clear. It would seem that something simpler: to arrange carpet bombing on the areas of concentration of enemy forces. Who are we protecting here? Again, all hope - for the heroism of the soldiers?
    1. SSA
      +7
      28 September 2022 14: 38
      How do you "sleep" them? Aviation operates at altitudes from 15 to 100 meters! Air defense is not suppressed. How will you throw bombs, even if the NURS cannot reach the direct launch range, we launch beyond the horizon in an open field ...
      1. AAK
        0
        28 September 2022 16: 30
        Here is the air defense! They’ve been crushing it for 8 months, but it still doesn’t choke .... you see problems with the crusher ... It seems that besides the “cheetahs” from the air defense system, the “partners” did not supply anything to the dill region?
        1. AAK
          -3
          28 September 2022 16: 31
          no need for "stingers" ... I'm talking about normal air defense ...
          1. SSA
            +3
            28 September 2022 21: 40
            The abundance of MANPADS does not allow helicopters and attack aircraft to operate from their usual 2-4 km.
            And medium and long-range air defense, which the Su-34 can reach at an altitude of 4-8 km, has not been knocked out, because it does not include radar. Targets are found and provided by NATO AWACS, and they already know how to work, they are great masters in this.
            How to knock out such "silent" radars? But only in one way, in which the "Himars" hit our positions.
            A satellite passes and takes hundreds of high-resolution images, which are then divided into squares and dozens of specialists carefully study them on monitors, each with its own square.
            Having found something similar to a warehouse or other important target, it transmits its coordinates. And there is either additional reconnaissance or a blow by Hymars.
            Unfortunately, although we have excellent Iskanders and Calibers, we have reconnaissance equipment .... well, you understand. That is why the Ukrainian radar station lives
        2. +2
          28 September 2022 21: 56
          About Ukrov's air defense - the most powerful in the USSR, because - the west. They guarded the border, troops, cities, individual enterprises ... of course, a bunch of S-125s and S-200s were stolen and sold in silence, but there were still - to hell, and air defense officers - every 2-3 Ukrainians ... like that. In the first three days it was necessary to wet, but we talked, there was no time to wet.
  7. +18
    28 September 2022 14: 27
    It seems that our command is always waiting for the APU to resolve itself.
    At first they thought that they would not shoot, then that drug addicts would be overthrown, now that they would kill themselves against our defenses.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 15: 13
      Perhaps they think the same as about blown up gas pipelines. When will the brake be released? After all, we are silent even in this situation.
  8. Two
    -3
    28 September 2022 14: 28
    hi How many Svidomo "Points -U"? They keep pouring in and pouring out ... Or do "friends" in the Warsaw block give a ride?
    1. 0
      4 October 2022 13: 07
      Yes, there are no longer any "Points U", they have already ended, now the blows are delivered mainly by "Hymars", "Caesars" and "777".
  9. 0
    28 September 2022 14: 38
    Who cares where the line of real control of the territory passes - look in the "people's map" - GPS tracks in the area of ​​​​interest.
    There is a decent time lag, but still ..
    For clarity, it is better to turn off most layers, including roads.
  10. +4
    28 September 2022 15: 25
    Logistics is not broken from the word at all, and now it is also steadily established and well covered from the air. It is necessary to gnaw through air defense by all means, echeloned raid according to responsibility groups: additional reconnaissance, decoys for air defense, suppression, strike and bomber, zone control. Dominance in the air, even within the zone, will greatly facilitate the situation for us. It is clear that there are few funds, but they must be concentrated to the maximum in the required front area.
    1. 0
      4 October 2022 13: 12
      And where did our anti-radar missiles go, are they not capable of destroying Ukrainian radars, and without radars, all air defense systems become blind and useless.
  11. 0
    28 September 2022 17: 26
    Quote from uprun
    Campaign under Liman ... oops, either there are no reserves to hold on to, or some kind of ingenious plan ....., no matter how it turned out like about ships ....., tacked, tacked ....

    all these cunning plans eventually end up core and smell bad.
    and if everything in our army is so bad and there are no reserves at all, then you can recruit a whole consolidated regiment of generals alone, put the minister-foreman in command of them, and forward under Liman to put into practice your brilliant ideas.
  12. +7
    28 September 2022 20: 44
    I look at all this - which day the heroic defense of Krasny Liman by small forces and I don’t understand - if this is a military trick and is done on purpose, a group of ukrov is lured and grinded there, or ... But I don’t want to believe in either. For I cannot believe that all the vaunted Russian Aerospace Forces with all their planes and helicopters, the entire Russian army with its firepower, Iskanders and others cannot gouge the accumulation of manpower and equipment in a certain territory. After all, if this is so, then for all the lies that were poured out to us from parades, exhibitions, exercises, and so on, the highest ranks of the army should sit in Kalyma for a huge period.
    But I still hope it's a cunning plan...
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 22: 09
      This is the usual gouging of our military leaders, which has always been and always will be. Even under Stalin there was an inglorious assault on Breslau. But then Smersh and the NKVD and others were. And the mistakes were terrible. How many people were put under Rzhev. Lam almost!
    2. +3
      28 September 2022 22: 46
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      I look at all this - which day the heroic defense of Krasny Liman by small forces and I don’t understand - if this is a military trick and is done on purpose, a group of ukrov is lured and grinded there, or ... But I don’t want to believe in either. For I cannot believe that all the vaunted Russian Aerospace Forces with all their planes and helicopters, the entire Russian army with its firepower, Iskanders and others cannot gouge the accumulation of manpower and equipment in a certain territory. After all, if this is so, then for all the lies that were poured out to us from parades, exhibitions, exercises, and so on, the highest ranks of the army should sit in Kalyma for a huge period.
      But I still hope it's a cunning plan...

      If the enemy's clusters had not been hit, Liman would have been surrendered long ago. By the way, it was there that two Sushki and one helicopter were lost. The first attack on Liman could not have been repulsed without the support of two K52s. So the military pilots do not spare themselves. And the artillery is working, and the artillery of the LPR, and the artillery of the RF Armed Forces. Today, the Tornadoes of landmen and Grads of the BF of the Russian Federation beat out. But dill is pulling up new reserves. Now about our reserves. Initially, the Liman garrison consisted of BARS "Kuban", Luhansk mobiks and the commandant's regiment of the DPR. Then they were transferred to the Liman direction:
      1.BARS "Russian Legion" (holding Drobyshevo).
      2. Two omsp. Then another part of MSD.
      3. SPN units.
      4. Recently, an artillery regiment from MSTA S arrived near Liman, reinforced with T72 tanks.
      5. I have already written about the support of other artillery units and aviation.
      I think if the reserves had not been transferred, Liman would have been surrounded. It is the transferred parts that hold the supply routes.
      So the command is not sitting evenly and so far with great difficulty, but they manage to keep Liman and the roads to it. What the command thinks next, I do not know. I wrote about the reserves according to the reports of military correspondents
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 23: 08
        Okay, let's say so. And then what? It’s strange somehow, nevertheless, a huge country with its entire army cannot unlock one town, is it waiting for the preparation and help of mobs? Some kind of game...
        1. +2
          28 September 2022 23: 20
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          Okay, let's say so. And then what? It’s strange somehow, nevertheless, a huge country with its entire army cannot unlock one town, is it waiting for the preparation and help of mobs? Some kind of game...

          Yesterday there was a video just from those places. The fighter on the armor says that they are "Smolensk infantry". Prior to this, motorized rifles were transferred from near Bryansk. So maybe some other BTG was transferred there. And yes, we are waiting for the newly formed units to close the entire front.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 00: 06
            Plus, the situation on the Oskol Front is critical.
            1. +2
              29 September 2022 07: 41
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              Plus, the situation on the Oskol Front is critical.

              Severe, but not yet critical. But if there is no second line of defense and dill will enter the operational space of the LPR, then yes.
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 01: 05
                I have a question: why the hell are they grinding off a cadre army on fortified areas? And if the reserves strike at the rear?
  13. +1
    28 September 2022 22: 16
    Quote: Sergey Drozdov
    No, it's good for the tractor plant, but it's not good for ukram near Krasny Liman?

    How to beat the squares there if the infantry is in direct contact? Yes, and the reserves do not sit in a heap. And the tractor plant has no problems if the artillery finishes at such a distance. Bey don't miss. Aviation is also a problem to storm the line of contact, especially in urban areas.
  14. +3
    28 September 2022 22: 32
    Quote: Dmitry Karabanov
    But why they don’t act in the same way in the Kharkov direction is not clear. It would seem that something simpler: to arrange carpet bombing on the areas of concentration of enemy forces.

    So that's the problem, to persuade the enemy to concentrate. The bastard does not want. He sits in the woods, but in the villages. Communication is good. 1-2 hours and parts of the shock groups go out to ref. positions or even go into battle on the move. The days of the Greek phalanx are long gone.
  15. +1
    28 September 2022 23: 47
    I console myself with the hope that the Russian command keeps the situation under control and systematically grinds the attackers in accordance with its operational plan.
    However, I'm afraid to make a mistake.
  16. +1
    29 September 2022 06: 38
    Quote from: neworange88
    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 305 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 2099 unmanned aerial vehicles, 377 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5143 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 851 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3433 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 5963 units of special military vehicles.

    So much flying equipment was not in Ukraine, or even in Ukraine with all these Slovakias and Bulgaria. Something is wrong with Konashenkov's arithmetic. If this is our entire General Staff, then the Kharkov retreats are understandable, more like fleeing and leaving people who believed us under the enemy.
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 09: 58
      Yes, in general, this whole deceitful circus with a whole lieutenant general reading a running line like another someone’s mistress with a breast that does not fit into a blouse about "calm hemorrhoids" ... In short, this is an excellent illustration of the true situation in all areas of government, that's what bitter truth
      1. -1
        29 September 2022 10: 51
        In general, my advice to everyone, it’s better to watch the summary in the News on SolovyovLIVE (with all my ambiguous attitude towards Solovyov) - everything is more dynamic, clearer and (I hope) more truthful there
    2. 0
      29 September 2022 18: 24
      Quote: Horn
      So much flying equipment was not in Ukraine, or even in Ukraine with all these Slovakias and Bulgaria. Something is wrong with Konashenkov's arithmetic.

      And no one really knows how much aviation was in the Kiev military district. And on the territory of Ukraine there were three military districts. In addition to aviation, there was a separate Air Army, ARMY, in the troops. The Russian Federation was able to pick up only part of the Tu-160. Do not forget that the Kyiv district was a shock district and spare parts for aviation were not measured there. And the fact that underground storage facilities, hangars in case of war are set up closer to the western border is not a mere fact there. Those data on the aviation of Ukraine that were announced before the NWO, this is the amount that Ukraine could keep in combat readiness, how much was mothballed or disassembled, no one knows. Do you think in 91 there was strict accounting, that was a mess.
  17. 0
    29 September 2022 11: 14
    How inspired were the people in 1914, crowds poured into recruiting stations, and how did it end in 1917?

    1. In 1917, everything ended happily for Russia and the country was then saved by the Bolsheviks.
    2. Nobody canceled the rule that in order to compensate for the numerical superiority of the enemy on the battlefield, a qualitative superiority per square is necessary. For example, if the enemy has a threefold numerical superiority, in order to equalize the potential, we must have a ninefold qualitative superiority.
    3. I still can’t understand why it’s impossible to use as infantry half or more of those 700 thousand contract soldiers, from the million professional Russian army, who are now holed up in the thila? In Germany and the USSR, airfields and marine infantry divisions were formed in the war, and they fought beautifully on land.
  18. 0
    29 September 2022 11: 27
    This war, which was called NVO, is being waged strangely. And most importantly, what could be done in a month and a half in April-May 2014 without losses, with the support of the population, is now stretching for years of bloody war. Everything is going according to plan, it’s true, but whose Is this a plan? The line can be traced clearly and the finale is more or less predictable. I will be glad to be mistaken, but this is not how you fight to win.
    1. 0
      30 September 2022 01: 07
      There will be victory. The question is price. However, everyone will suffer losses, except for the States.
  19. 0
    29 September 2022 11: 35
    With air supremacy, why not carpet bomb them and bury them in the ground.
  20. -2
    29 September 2022 11: 45
    Quote: rocket757
    The enemy continues to try to cut off Krasny Liman from supplies: a new report from the Ministry of Defense
    . Can someone explain this situation?
    The crisis, the retreat is not the first day, so what? Big losses of the enemy stop ???

    Hello. Enemy losses are greatly inflated. Lose the APU no more than when entering Izyum during the Russian "regrouping".
  21. 0
    29 September 2022 13: 31
    Operation "Gambit" is in full swing, pig-faced Ukrainians led by blind men at the edge of the pit
  22. -1
    29 September 2022 14: 03
    Quote: UAZ 452
    The wars started of their own choice, under the most just slogans, enjoying broad support in society at the initial stage, Russia waged much less successfully than when there was an invasion of our historical territory. How inspired were the people in 1914, crowds poured into recruiting stations, and how did it end in 1917?

    Both examples (both about 1917 and about 1941) are not as unambiguous as you think. In the first case, it was just that things were going to victory (although they fought far beyond the borders of Russia), and only internal problems in the Republic of Ingushetia (well, as internal - not without the participation of "Western partners", of course) deprived the country of the status of the winner with all the consequences . Well, in 1941 there was such a sad phenomenon as the “drap march” (yes, many young people went to the military registration and enlistment offices as volunteers, but the weather didn’t do it), during which the retreating somehow didn’t really think about who formally attacked whom there . And only severe measures to impose discipline in the troops made it possible to turn the tide. Until the summer of 1942 (the famous order No. 227). And then many military leaders were ready to retreat to the Urals, and then, apparently, to Vladivostok.
    In general, the main thing is that the war should be fair, for a just cause. Then the victory will be ours. And now is just that historic moment.
    1. -1
      30 September 2022 01: 09
      To victory? The Germans smashed the Russian army to smithereens. This is even much more shameful than 41. Because at 41 they fought for themselves, and at 14 for Nikolashka's loans.
  23. 0
    30 September 2022 08: 08
    Quote: Havoc
    Quote: Horn
    So much flying equipment was not in Ukraine, or even in Ukraine with all these Slovakias and Bulgaria. Something is wrong with Konashenkov's arithmetic.

    And no one really knows how much aviation was in the Kiev military district. And on the territory of Ukraine there were three military districts. In addition to aviation, there was a separate Air Army, ARMY, in the troops. The Russian Federation was able to pick up only part of the Tu-160. Do not forget that the Kyiv district was a shock district and spare parts for aviation were not measured there. And the fact that underground storage facilities, hangars in case of war are set up closer to the western border is not a mere fact there. Those data on the aviation of Ukraine that were announced before the NWO, this is the amount that Ukraine could keep in combat readiness, how much was mothballed or disassembled, no one knows. Do you think in 91 there was strict accounting, that was a mess.

    My younger brother participated in the export of the Carcasses that survived at that time to Russia. Everything that could be repaired was removed. The rubbish remains.
  24. 0
    30 September 2022 10: 35
    Cover with ODABami and all the cases. Is it really that difficult. I constantly hear the hum of the Tu-22m3. Where do they fly?
  25. 0
    30 September 2022 11: 45
    Old stuff, Yampol has already been left, the whole cart is talking about it, all the experts and analysts