The Ministry of Defense does not exclude the adoption of the compact Lebedev pistol (PLC)

The compact Lebedev pistol (PLC) can be adopted by the Russian army, the Ministry of Defense is considering this issue, but a final decision has not yet been made. Alan Lushnikov, president of the Kalashnikov concern, spoke about this.

The Russian military is considering the Lebedev pistol in the "compact" version as a personal weapons for some special forces, but the decision to adopt this pistol into service has not yet been made. But the PLC was adopted by two other law enforcement agencies - the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. And here and there, the PLC should replace the Makarov pistol (PM). Currently, contracts are being prepared for the supply of weapons to law enforcement officers, the concern is ready for serial deliveries of the pistol in the required volumes.

After the signing of supply contracts, it is planned to begin deliveries of these products to both departments. (...) The Russian Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of adopting a compact Lebedev pistol

приводит RIA News Lushnikov's words.

The fact that the Ministry of Defense considers the PLC as a personal weapon for special forces was reported last year, but the military has a large selection. Recently, Russian gunsmiths have created several pistols for various cartridges, ranging from 9X19 mm to 9X21 mm, so the military is in no hurry.

The compact Lebedev pistol was designed for the 9X19 mm Parabellum cartridge. Type of automation - recoil of the bolt, coupled with the barrel with a short stroke of the barrel, locking by skewed barrel. Magazine capacity 14 rounds, weight without cartridges - 720 grams. The location of the slide delay, the magazine reset button and the fuse on both sides allows the gun to be used by both right-handed and left-handed people. There is a Picattini rail for attaching various accessories.

Comments

[Konnick]

Corner design, compact, but you can’t put it in your pocket, it will quickly make holes without shots. Is it difficult to get it out of your pocket too or is the compact one not for pockets? "From childhood I did not like the oval, I drew an angle from childhood" these verses by P. Kogan were put at the forefront by the designer of this pistol.

[KCA]

APS won’t fit into your pocket at all, but many specialists love it very much and are not going to change it, and not only in Russia

[Konnick]

APS won’t fit into your pocket at all, but many specialists love it very much and are not going to change it, and not only in Russia

APS is not called compact.

[nonsense]

APS won’t fit into your pocket at all, but many specialists love it very much and are not going to change it

here strictly according to Freud - wearing APS compensates for the lack of size elsewhere ... There are no other reasons to "love" him ...

[KCA]

I have a comrade FSO officer, he liked to shoot, he worked in the same shooting range with Alpha, you hold your tongue, good friend, but who worked with him in the shooting gallery ...

[Voronezh]

Why is PM bad for the army? Light weight, compact, reliable. Arguments that lack of accuracy past. We need to train skills and not three rounds a quarter. No one goes on the attack with him. Crushing bulletproof vests is also not required from him. Weapon of last chance. Specialists need special tools, I agree.

[Konnick]

Why is PM bad for the army?

It’s even more convenient for them to open beer and hammer nails into the wall. By the way, the weight is the same with this "compact". And who said that this PLC is more accurate than the PM, why with the same cartridge and barrel length?

[Alexga]

I will add about the PLC, a very difficult disassembly, respectively, problems with cleaning. And if we take into account in combat conditions there are no tables for cleaning weapons, then here the PLC loses the PM completely. Another cartridge that will cause the separation of this ammunition in the troops for many years. In my opinion, it may work for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but not for the army. I understand the designer, he needs to create something new.

[solar]

And who said that this PLC is more accurate than PM, why with the same cartridge

Actually, they have different cartridges - Lebedev has 9X19 mm Parabellum, and PM has 9X18 mm PM

[Konnick]

Actually, they have different cartridges - Lebedev has 9X19 mm Parabellum, and PM has 9X18 mm PM

Well, then you don’t need this pistol chambered for an imported cartridge at all. The Kalashnikov Concern wanted to make money on exports, it seems that they showed him the barrel in the barrel, so they rushed back to their native roots ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote from Voronezh

Why is PM bad for the army?

For the Army, the enemy is meant in body armor, where a pistol chambered for 9x18 has nothing to do. In the Army, the Udav pistol chambered for 9x21 is in service - that's where it belongs. And why they also needed a compact one - I'll never know.

[Konnick]

And why they also needed a compact one - I'll never know.

That's just the point - initially for the Moscow Region, a Lebedev pistol with a 9x21 cartridge, and with a 9x19 cartridge for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But the Ministry of Internal Affairs doesn’t need this PLC, they have enough reliable PM. So they want to get into the army, but there senior officers and generals already have a pocket toy, PSM, lightweight, for concealed carry.

[Voronezh]

Have you seen PSM from anyone in real life?

[Konnick]

Have you seen PSM from anyone in real life?

He even shot, his brother worked as an opera, they were armed at one time, it is very convenient to carry in your pocket.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

At least 2 people.
Colonel Zavyalov, head of the service of the special forces troops ... From 25 meters he put the entire store in a pack of cigarettes ...
Well, one more thing, a retired colonel, I won’t give his last name, he has an award.

[Voronezh]

[/ quote] In the Army, the "Boa constrictor" pistol is in service [quote]

Bullshit, he is not in the army. Maybe only inside the Moscow Ring Road ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote from Voronezh

Bullshit, he is not in the army.

Adopted and purchased for the Army, it does not mean at all that everyone already has it there. Write:

According to the plan, which Izvestia got acquainted with, almost 400 million rubles were allocated for the purchase of the first large batch of several tens of thousands of "trunks". "Boas" will go mainly into service with special forces and intelligence units. Ordinary military personnel will also receive a novelty ...............

https://iz.ru/1167945/anton-lavrov-anna-cherepanova/udav-bolshoi-minoborony-nachalo-massovuiu-zakupku-noveishego-pistoleta

[Silver99]

In vain write like that, everyone who has come across this product notes a comfortable grip and lightness in the truest sense of the word. Due to the geometry of the frame and the "depth" of the grip, the recoil and the toss of the barrel are extremely comfortable. Convenient descent, no effect of "waiting for a shot" hence the accuracy from the first shot, a capacious magazine, a sufficient stopping effect of the cartridge. Dmitry Lebedev is today a recognized authority in the development of short-barreled weapons, his developments are the most advanced. For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it makes no sense to change to shoot at the gopniks, but for the army it is quite a worthy replacement for the PM. By the way, at the expense of the aiming range of the exact defeat of a full-height target in tests of 80 meters, it’s not very bad.

[SKVichyakow]

Good accuracy, the magazine is increased by 5 rounds, which means a lot. Made in 2017. MO thinks for a long time. Someone in sight "something" wants.

[Konnick]

no effect of "waiting for a shot"

For such a weapon, this is not good. And the PM can be modified to trigger from touch, no one has canceled the TB, pay attention to where the finger is placed on the PLC and PM, on the PM on the trigger, and on the frame on the PLC, why? It will be more convenient to fight with a pistol in your hand and detain a criminal with a PM, because this PLC is intended primarily for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The descent of the PM does not cause any inconvenience to me, you just need to learn how to hold the PM tightly while relaxing the index one, how to control the finger separately from the hand.

[nonsense]

Quote from Silver99

For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it makes no sense to change to shoot at the gopniks, but for the army it is quite a worthy replacement for the PM.

And in the army, who to shoot with a pistol? - I see no targets for this weapon! Do not miss yourself in the forehead and from the PMA ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote from Silver99

but for the army it is quite a worthy replacement for PM. By the way, at the expense of the aiming range of the exact defeat of a full-height target in tests of 80 meters, it’s not very bad.

In war, at a distance of 80-100 meters, the "target" will be "full-length" until the first shot - then the "target" will become "chest" and will be fired from AK or M-4.
In the army pistol in combat they are used as a last resort - the actual use of fire from a pistol on the enemy - for example, a battle in a closed urban area - such as "a room in an apartment".

[Voronezh]

As they said in one famous movie, a personal weapon is given to an officer to solve personal problems.

[hhurik]

Dreams, dreams of effective managers The train has left, citizens - there is no money and will not be in the near future, calm down.

PM will outlive everyone.

[Uprun]

And why didn’t the PM please you ..... a good car ...., without refusal ...., there are still flattering reviews about the TT ....

[air wolf]

You don’t need a pistol, but a cartridge of 5,56 * 25 mm, the cartridge case from TT is recompressed for a bullet from .223rem, it is shorter than our 5.45 from AK-74

[nonsense]

Quote: air wolf

You don't need a gun, but a 5,56 * 25 mm cartridge

why? why is such a cartridge better than the standard 5.45x39? what kind of tasks can he perform that AK and PM cannot?

[air wolf]

The speed will be initial 700 m / s and the issue with bulletproof vests is removed and injuries are not commensurate with life ...

[nonsense]

even I didn’t understand, are you going to fight with pistols or what? -- big mistake! It seems no, they didn’t, judging by the initial statement ...
:) The AK-74 has an initial speed of 900 m / s in general - why change it to a weakened version?
Mysteries in the dark...

[Oleg812spb]

Such a weapon requires an effective stopping action, 5,56 is not enough for this ...

[air wolf]

Are you a hunter or weapon expert? I am a Hunter 25 years plus 10 years of service and I have 2 smooth and 3 rifled ones, the most running 223rem everything falls from it up to 150 meters!

[Roust]

I welcome any weapon that sends enemies to the next world.

[voyaka uh]

You can arm them with new PMCs, which are organized by Prigozhin.
These people are accustomed to compact weapons in their pockets.
They will be able to make surprise attacks on the APU.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

They themselves will figure out what they need, they are not included in the RF Armed Forces.

[voyaka uh]

They'll figure it out, no doubt.
These are not children, but criminals with heavy articles. Killing them is not the first time.

[Oleg812spb]

Have you seen their personal files? They will figure out who can be trusted with weapons. Or do you think that "penalty boxers" can only be armed with shovels? On the other side, as far as I know, they think differently.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: voyaka uh

These people are accustomed to compact weapons in their pockets.
They will be able to make surprise attacks on the APU.

This description is suitable for saboteurs in civilian clothes operating in settlements controlled by the enemy.

[aszzz888]

cat Rusich
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Quote: voyaka uh

These people are accustomed to compact weapons in their pockets.
They will be able to make surprise attacks on the APU.
This description is suitable for saboteurs in civilian clothes operating in settlements controlled by the enemy.

mykola-monya, a runner from the USSR / RF, as always, out of line. He has a different task - to pour slop on the Russian Federation, grab more matzah, and so that the owner does not kick it out into the street.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

First of all, it is desirable to issue pistols to those for whom the machine gun is inconvenient. Especially if the hostilities are taking place abroad and the problem of illegal distribution does not arise. Pistols are desirable for the crews of combat vehicles, machine gunners, grenade launchers, mortars and others loaded with other weapons. I don’t know how it is now, but before it was a problem, either you are unarmed, or the machine gun interferes with you.

[dauria]

either you are unarmed, or the machine is in your way.

The tank stalled. Do you consider armed a driver with a pistol against a fighter with a machine gun? Or a jumping pilot? With PM, I hit an elephant in the ass from five steps only the third time. Although with AK in a ski pole from 60 meters always.
This despite the fact that cartridges, time and opportunities to learn were a wagon. The PM was carried in the breast pocket of the jumpsuit in addition to the machine gun. For what - FIG knows. Just "it was supposed to." Let it be better that the machine "interferes" than to stay with this fart.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It's kind of understandable. But is it better to put the tracks in place with a pistol or without a machine gun? That is, you, as a tanker, say that you don’t need a gun at all?

[nonsense]

Quote: dauria

With PM, I hit an elephant in the ass from five steps only the third time

Yes, you, my friend, are a poacher! Where is the Elephant Protection Society looking?!
But in essence, I completely agree with you - to whom and where can AK interfere? There is more if it is an AK-74M (with a folding plastic butt) ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It remains only to interview other tankers. Will they agree to part with pistols and switch exclusively to machine guns?

[Reserve buildbat]

It's just that not everyone can shoot from the PM. My instructor from 20 meters puts 8 bullets in a circle about 3-5 cm in diameter. I'm from the same distance within 8-ki. But here the question of skill and "given - not given." I know people who from 300 meters from AK-74 put three bullets into the "top ten", and from PM from 10 meters they do not always hit the chest target.

[novel66]

to issue pistols to those for whom the machine gun is inconvenient.

. The gun is needed in order to get to your machine gun, which did not have to be left anywhere.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Can a machine gunner or a grenade launcher also reach his machine gun?

[voyaka uh]

The gun is useless.
A compact PP with a butt can still help.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Are you going to carry a PP with you along with a machine gun, like a PC? "To the madness of the brave we sing a song!" (With).
This PP for a machine gun is completely useless.

[voyaka uh]

I had to do it.
I wore a Belgian machine gun MAG - 11 kg, and three belts, torn into 4 pieces each, and on my back: a spare barrel and an M-16 carbine with two magazines. Like a spare weapon. The second number carried a lot of ribbons (some in boxes) and his M-16 rifle, and several magazines.
It was part of the "company fire support group".

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Such a practice is an exception to the rule, neither a machine gunner, nor a grenade launcher, nor anyone else, it makes sense to load with extra overall and weighty weapons. This is a burden, not a help.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So I wanted to add it. He also wore a PKT and a Kalashnikov assault rifle on his back. I just wore it from the barracks to the training ground and back.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
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I had to do this...

At the same time, tell me again how you ran around the tank range DURING SHOOTING at night !!! from tanks and the shells flew over your head tightly with a bale! you lie as you breathe, and the people are led to your blue, and wet mriya from under Zhmerinka.

[hhurik]

Quote from Silver99

In vain write like that, everyone who has come across this product notes a comfortable grip and lightness in the truest sense of the word. Due to the geometry of the frame and the "depth" of the grip, the recoil and the toss of the barrel are extremely comfortable. Convenient descent, no effect of "waiting for a shot" hence the accuracy from the first shot, a capacious magazine, a sufficient stopping effect of the cartridge. Dmitry Lebedev is today a recognized authority in the development of short-barreled weapons, his developments are the most advanced. It makes no sense for the Ministry of Internal Affairs to change to shoot at the gopniks, but for the army it is a worthy replacement.

Just armies - a new pestle is not needed from the word at all, they are not at war, this has long been an attribute. But in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - a necessary tool, often the only one available when it comes to lockdown. But the device under discussion - it won’t go to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there the criminal bloc is engaged in catching criminals, which walks around the civilian world and constantly carries weapons secretly. It is hard and inconvenient for the body to carry an angular brick of the PLC weight and size indicators covertly. The existing PM, in terms of the combination of service qualities, satisfies both the needs of detectives and is suitable for public security services, i.e. who can walk openly with weapons in uniform in public places.
So the PLC - cross out.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Glock, have you seen it? I suggest you familiarize yourself with its dimensions and geometry.

[firemann]

The conversation about replacing the PM went back when I started working, and this is almost 30 years ago

[senima56]

We have "a replacement for the PM pistol in the Army, akin to replacing the AN-2 aircraft in aviation!" There has been a lot of talk and for a very long time, but "things are still there!"

[shpon123]

They took the "Boa constrictor" into service. Or not accepted? I don't understand anything anymore.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: shpon123

They took the "Boa constrictor" into service. Or not accepted? I don't understand anything anymore.

Aunt Vika says...
"AT 2018g passed state tests and recommended for adoption."
"The Russian army is planning until 2024 purchase more 3000 pistols "Boa" ...
By the way "Boa constrictor" = pistol Kozlova = PC(constructor I. Kozlov)

[senima56]

"... the concern is ready for serial deliveries of the pistol in the required volumes ..." Finally! Have you waited?!

[hhurik]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Glock, have you seen it? I suggest you familiarize yourself with its dimensions and geometry.

Yuzal for several years Glock-17, and the legendary 2nd generation. And what?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And how is its angularity better than the angularity of the PLC?

[JPD]

I wonder, gentlemen of the Forum users, in which army are the Glocks in service? And where is this army fighting or fought with them?

[businessv]

Reminiscent of CZ 75D compact in appearance

[Reserve buildbat]

This is a 40 caliber Steyr replica. Because of this, he has huge gaps between the shutter and the frame.

[bovi]

Why are all these people discussing the development of funds through the PLC by a great concern?! Who cares about the opinion of voters, especially the one expressed by ear to the neighbor?
Frankly, no matter how much _modern_ menagers drank for the development / maintenance of the current military-industrial complex - for the future of the Russian Federation this is purely orthogonal. Current efficiency does not provide for optimality from the word at all - who will say "no" and throw a stone at the boss? And since so far the entire management rests on unknown people with implicit braces ... it's better to discuss gunpowder for hunting - everything is more practical.

[Reserve buildbat]

I shot the other day from the PLC, nothing toy, tolerable. But why does he always wedge the 4th cartridge when equipping a store (any)? Why do store sponges cut fingers with terrible force? Just 100 shots and my thumb is cut all over. When shooting, be prepared that very often the cartridge case will fall not somewhere, but on you (indoors). The sights are like a glock, so when shooting at a "brick" (rectangular metal target) from a distance of 20 meters, you will not see the "brick", since it is completely hidden by the front sight. But it's nice to hold, the descent is very short and easy and production, as reported by all shooting clubs in the mailing list, is "temporarily stopped".