Return to service from retirement: AFU showed gray-haired pilots of MiG-29 fighters

Even at the beginning of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine, the Kyiv regime suffered critical losses in combat aviation. It was possible to compensate for them only thanks to the transfer of equipment from the countries of the former socialist bloc and the return to service of long-decommissioned machines thanks to the work on their restoration deployed in Eastern Europe.

But it was not possible to revive a full-fledged Air Force - there is an acute shortage of front-line aviation of all types: helicopters, fighters and attack aircraft. In this regard, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to get out, using equipment for other purposes. So, the other day, photographs were shown showing MiG-29 fighters in the most “lightweight version”.

The armament is a single aerial bomb, placed in a niche between the two engines, which reduces air resistance in flight. The same goal was pursued when dismantling the fuel tanks. This kind of “modernization” of the MiG-29 is designed to maximize its flight speed for carrying out swift attacks on ground targets, that is, it is aimed at using a classic air combat fighter as an attack aircraft.

As reported, pilots are involved in piloting, who have long gone on a well-deserved rest. These are people under the age of "under sixty", who were retired. Now they are being returned to service.

The next flight will show how the MiG-29 converted into an attack aircraft and its gray-haired crew will behave in battle.

Comments

[SKVichyakow]

Since there is no raid, then the return will be similar.

[Terenin]

The next flight will show how the MiG-29 converted into an attack aircraft and its gray-haired crew will behave in battle.

And what difference does it make to us, for example, who will stab you with a knife, a teenager or an old man?
Destroy, to hell, an armed enemy and an enemy.

[novel66]

Gena! Soviet pilots disgrace their bald gray hairs ...

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

Gena! Soviet pilots disgrace their bald gray hairs ...

Roma unfortunately not only Ukrainian pilots.

[isv000]

Quote: novel xnumx

Gena! Soviet pilots disgrace their bald gray hairs ...

Quote: "... 10 years ago, the story of Major General Kanamata Botashev thundered throughout the country. He received a suspended sentence and a huge fine after the crash of the Su-27. He retired. ... He retired. And returned to service in 62 years during a special operation in Ukraine, where he saved our soldiers at the cost of his life ... At 62, he was strong and able to sit at the helm. "

[Serg koma]

Quote: Terenin

What difference does it make to us

The difference is that, according to the data of the "talking head", all the MiG-29s of Ukraine + Eastern Europe (in terms of quantity) were DESTROYED, therefore no gray-haired ones will fly anywhere - a staged trick from "KievNauchFilm" (January 1, 1941. During the Great Patriotic War, the studio was evacuated to Tashkent, where educational and propaganda films were produced for the Red Army. Returned to Kyiv in 1944 ). Somehow it turns out if you completely trust the reports of the Moscow Region.

At a briefing by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on July 15, General Igor Konashenkov announced the destruction of 253 aircraft, 137 helicopters, 1 UAVs, 543 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 4 MLRS, 060 field artillery pieces and mortars

https://topwar.ru/199233-magija-chisel-skolko-tehniki-vsu-bylo-unichtozheno.html

[Terenin]

Can you cite a source from Konashenkov, where exactly he said that

Quote: Serg Koma

all MiG-29s of Ukraine + Eastern Europe (by number) DESTROYED

Or are you counting on fools again?

[AC130 Gunship]

There are open independent sources that indicate what kind of weapons and in what quantity different countries have. I do not think that there will be an error more than 15-20%. Take the number they named Mig29 of Ukraine + Poland + Slovakia, etc. and add 20% on top. And subtract from it the number of Konashenkov called shot down. How many are left - they fly.

[Serg koma]

Quote: AC130 Ganship

Take the number they named Mig29 of Ukraine + Poland + Slovakia, etc. and add 20% on top.

According to official data from the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, at the time of the military operation the APU had 152 aircraft, 149 helicopters, 36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, 2 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 416 MLRS, 535 field artillery pieces and mortars.

I understand that supplies from the West (possibly ILLEGAL) could raise the quantitative composition of front-line aviation, but -
Polish Air Force - 23 MiG-29s in service as of 2021
(On March 12, TASS reported that, according to reports, US President Joe Biden decided to ban the transfer of Polish MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine)
WARSAW, 21 May. /TASS/. The Polish authorities, who refused to transfer their Soviet-made MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, instead sent spare parts for these aircraft to Kyiv. This was reported on Saturday by the Polish information portal Onet.

Slovak Air Force:
MiG-29AS 10 + MiG-29UBS 2 =12
Defense Ministry Yaroslav Nagy.
The minister pointed out that MiG-29 aircraft are now at the Sliac airport in central Slovakia. “They will guard our airspace until the end of August, you will see them on August 27 at SIAF (Slovak International Aviation Festival),” he said.
Something like this. I did not find any confirmed data on the delivery of the MiG-29 to Ukraine, so they fly on their "destroyed" ones.
And yet, pay attention, we do not declare the destruction of other brands of aircraft except Mig and Su. And where is the L-39 (30 pcs.), For example, I have never heard of ???

[Serg koma]

Quote: Terenin

Can you cite a source from Konashenkov

Is it not destiny to follow the link? In the Internet, type "briefing of the RF Ministry of Defense Konashenkov (date at your own discretion)" does not raise your hand? Can you only put minuses and "throw hats"? Here on such

Quote: Terenin

count on fools

who do not want / cannot do at least an elementary (calculator to help you) calculation, who arrive in the illusory world and calculate. You should not treat propaganda (from both sides) with 100% faith.
NWO is not a walk, the enemy is very strong and dangerous, the postscript of imaginary victories / exploits, in order to receive awards / titles, must be completely excluded, since this discredits both the Ministry of Defense and the Supreme.

Under Balakleya death with a scythe,
Mowed down our Slavic people.
And over evening Moscow
The fireworks went off!

I don't know what they're celebrating
Today is a holiday in Moscow.
And we're just dying here
So that you laugh there in Moscow!

Joy and fun are everywhere
Popcorn and cotton candy.
Happy laughter on the carousels
And here the lead is chewed by soldiers.
........
........

If you need ghostly "victories on paper" - a flag in your hands, or rather not a flag, but a hat.
Especially for you "Briefing summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on September 14, 2022", carefully look at the numbers from 03:33.

[Terenin]

Quote: Serg Koma

Can you only put minuses and "throw hats"? Here on such
Quote: Terenin
count on fools
who do not want / cannot do at least elementary (calculator to help you) ...

Quite, or something peddling with hats, minuses, easy walks, some idiotic rhymes with death with an oblique postscript of feats, awards, ... Where did I write about this at least once?
Everything is wrong for you.
It's strange how you react.
Wet our NATO in
face of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to be in spite of any calculators.

[Art Pilot]

The squadron of the Ukrainian Air Force "Grey Eggs" is being formed.

[Havoc]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Since there is no raid, then the return will be similar.

A raid is just what a young pilot needs, a pilot who has devoted his whole life to aviation, it is enough to take to the air a couple of times.
Personally, I have three friends on retirement, preferential if anything, left for permanent residence in Ukraine, assy helicopter pilots.

[Vsevolod136]

This is euthanasia in a banderlozhi way ...

[Diana Ilyina]

Not an air defense specialist, but for some reason it seems to me that this is not the most difficult target for ours.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Difficult, because he goes at low altitude, drops bombs in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbconcentration of our troops and leaves.

Considering that NATO intelligence is now working for Ukraine, this allows them to determine the areas of operation of our air defense systems and avoid them.

Of course, everything doesn’t always go smoothly for them, but we must admit that almost 7 months of NWO have passed, we have spent hundreds of missiles attacking airfields, we have a bunch of air defense systems and fighters, and they are still flying.

It's time to stop counting on the fact that the enemy will get cold feet and run, or that they will run out of something soon. They are not cowardly, they are like us, they are us, only on the other hand, and the West will give them everything they need from ammunition to artillery, and soon tanks and aircraft.

We need to strengthen the grouping in the Northern Military District and as soon as possible, not just send people there, but create new units, for this we need to pay more volunteers, strengthen the supply of the Northern Military District and the LDNR police with everything necessary, from tactical medicine to equipment. If something is missing, buy abroad wherever possible, through front companies, etc.

The shame and disgrace is that now volunteers are making almost the main contribution to providing the army with tactical UAVs, anti-drone guns, tactical medicine and even communications.

And military-industrial complex enterprises should work 24 hours, tanks need KAZ and mine sweeps, MLRS and artillery need long-range and high-precision ammunition, intelligence needs UAVs with good optics and thermal imagers, and a bunch of everything else.

[Maverick1812]

Here recently grappled with one very "Orthodox". I asked him a question about how the ROC helps the Army. He says he directs donations from parishioners. And he couldn’t answer my question about why the priests can’t shake off the money and provide at least the fighters of Novorossia with what they need. But the Patriarch urged to pray...you know for whom.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The church is not a commercial organization, they do not have a large supply of funds, she herself lives on donations, which are not so many in reality.

But for example, political parties and commercial organizations, as well as just very rich people in our country, could more actively help the front, otherwise, apart from United Russia, no one is visible at the front.

[Shkodnik65]

Vasily, are you concerned about Orthodoxy? And why priests, and not mullahs, lamas, pastors or rabbis? Russia is a very multi-confessional country. And why didn’t you ask the oligarchs to shake the purse, there every purse is as tall as you, if not more. This would be the result. Not for the Ferris wheel in Moscow, which is the most .... what we need now in the country, not for the day of the city of Moscow, billions, but for the guys, for weapons and equipment, they desperately need it. Have you decided to hype? Well, for example, in our village one and a half old women go to church, with a population of more than a thousand people. And such in Russia - the darkness. What to shake our ass, sick. In general - you blew into a puddle. Well, the fact that the Patriarch called to pray for the President, so you explain to me what's wrong with that? He did not call to kill him, not to rob. If you don't want to, if you can't, don't pray, your number is seventeen. To be honest, this kind of individuals irritate me, the country needs to rally, unite, but there will always be some kind of Galkin, Urgant or Vasily, who strives so casually, gradually, like with good intentions to throw shit ... ts to the common cauldron.

[fiberboard]

Yeah, you'd better grapple with Mordashov or Vekselberg. With Usmanov or Deripaska, with Radugin. I go to the Temple where it rarely comes out for 2000 rubles a day. The guards have nothing to pay. Father and mother survive at the expense of the garden and donations. Now, if you forced at least 30 percent of their wealth to deduct our oligarchs (they paid so much tax under Yeltsin), you would be very grateful. They are sitting on the legacy of the USSR and all their wealth has been welded. Then the volunteers would not have to buy anything.

[RGB]

That's right, but there is one thing. All the wealth of our oligarchs is in the west. And they wanted to spit on us, their country and the army.

[Nigmar Manjiev]

YOU FORGOT TO ASK what and HOW to do it all THERE, Without your narrow-minded advice, THERE IS SOMEONE TO UNDERSTAND THERE.

[Revolver]

Of course, they can take manpower and equipment out of the strikes on a Western tip, but they cannot take out the infrastructure. It is necessary to organize the end of the world for them, as well as gas, water supply, telephone, Internet, and all other benefits of technogenic civilization. It is quite possible to bomb them, if not in the Stone Age, but in pre-industrial times. But what beauty will be in terms of environmental protection, no industrial emissions for you.

[RGB]

What are you talking about!) I'm sobbing with laughter. We are still pumping gas to Europe through Hohlandia. In the Baltic States, Russophobic again resumed deliveries. To whom is the war, and to whom is the mother dear! Our leadership has no political will. Some half measures.

[dauria]

Not an air defense specialist, but for some reason it seems to me that this is not the most difficult target for ours.

This is how they will build an attack. Here is the case when tactics are much more important than the "numbers" of the performance characteristics. There is always risk, and losses are included in the calculation. But these are not suicide bombers, as you were told.

[4ekist]

Diana Ilyina: for some reason it seems to me that this is not the most difficult target for ours.

The next flight will show how the MiG-29 converted into an attack aircraft and its gray-haired crew will behave in battle.

The best option is to destroy the air fleet on the ground. And bald (gray-haired) will also be better.

[tralflot1832]

For all the critics of our aircraft in the NWO. Here is an UAV in Ukrainian. Pilots are needed only for take-off. Did they leave parachutes in their seats?

[Pulkovo1942]

As reported, pilots are involved in piloting, who have long gone on a well-deserved rest.

Nothing surprising. The main time for them is to pull, while the youth trained under the programs on the F-15 / F-16 will catch up.

[Diana Ilyina]

And how long will it take to train a pilot under this program? Five years? And if by accelerated takeoff and landing, then the sense of such pilots is about zero.

[Pulkovo1942]

And if on an accelerated takeoff and landing

Exactly. Only the landing is preceded by the launch of rockets. Do ours work differently?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

And how long will it take to train a pilot under this program? Five years?

Retraining of a combat-ready pilot for a new type of aircraft. Americans have 5-7 months, a maximum of a year.

Here is the answer of the US pilot (experience 20 years)
Mike Predko
David Toossy (20 years as a US Navy fighter pilot. Author has 1,3K replies and 18,7M replies viewed on Aug 15)
If you choose a random F16 trained pilot, will they be able to effectively fly the F35?

After months of transitional training, yes they could.

[Alex_1973]

We are talking about retraining from US technology to US technology. And with the MiG-29, transferring to the F-16, in my opinion, is not the same thing.

[AlexTires]

And if they retrain their former Ukrainian pilots, in what way do they live in Canada? Or the EU?

[Captain Pushkin]

The F-16 differs from the F35 more than from the MiG-29.

[UAZ 452]

And how long will it take to train a pilot under this program? Five years?

If you only learn to fly and fight, then a year is enough, and if you try, even half a year. And if you teach like ours - notes on public and state training, drill and every year from March to May, preparation for the parade, endless outfits for patrol and duty at the checkpoint, household work, which officially, as it were, no longer exists, the study of materiel in the same volumes , as aviation technicians (because teachers are reluctant to draw up different notes and plans for different groups of students), although the pilot will still not be able to repair his plane ... In this situation, and after 5 years, the pilot graduates, but really does not know how to fly and fight .

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

And how long will it take to train a pilot under this program.

Retraining of a foreign trained pilot in the states for at least a year. Preference will be given to those who have passed the ALP program, this is another year. Well, among other things, TOEFL70 minimum.

Quote: Pulkovo1942

while the youth trained under the programs on the F-15 / F-16 will catch up.

According to the locals, all this is just a rumor.

[Uncle lee]

APU showed gray-haired pilots

"The gray-haired old man - he shouted over the guard - the commissar -
He called someone, and they started to open again ...
Someone with a stick with a screw, pulling himself up, hit the rail -
And how everyone rushed into that beautiful grace!

[Nigmar Manjiev]

Learning to fly does not mean that they will be able to fight there, but these flyers from overload on takeoff will finish these works.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

The main time for them is to pull, while the youth trained under the programs on the F-15 / F-16 will catch up.

And that there is something in these planes that will not allow our air defense and fighters to destroy them? We will land everyone, do not hesitate. Let them at least send their "invisibles".

[dimbasic]

if youth knew, if old age could...

[Captain Pushkin]

Not so long ago, our retired pilot, 25 years old, major general, died from MANPADS on the Su-60 ...

[BABAY22]

He was 63 years old. He died heroically. The title of hero is posthumous.
He closed the debts to the Motherland for the broken twin Su-27 in 2012.

[eleronn]

/...These are people under the age of "under sixty".../ - this is a brilliant move! Now they don't even have to pay pensions. Due to the absence of an individual as such.

[Trunk]

A good way to move to Russia. Retired, and even on a private jet) But seriously, a jet litak consumes an unmeasured amount of aviation kerosene. You can't fill it with solarium. Apparently there are no problems with aviation fuel in dill (

[Leshak]

Unfortunately, there are many things that are not a problem. There are no problems with weapons, no problems with fighters, no problems with ammunition, no problems with equipment, and most importantly, no problems with motivation. Especially after the goodwill gestures and regroupings on our part. Now they generally decided that dill is invincible.

[composite]

and what about the training of pilots of the Kyiv regime abroad? also study at f16? or gray-haired sent?

[Zaurbek]

then to use the classic dogfight fighter as an attack aircraft.


Sparky doesn’t have a radar ...... she’s a 1/2 fighter

[APASUS]

As reported, pilots are involved in piloting, who have long gone on a well-deserved rest. These are people under the age of "under sixty",

A new way not to pay pensions. How long will such pilots withstand battles?

[rotmistr60]

A bomb under a fighter, retired pilots are just problems. There was a cup of sake before the flight and a bandage with a trident on the forehead.

[Nexcom]

... gorilka and a piece of lard for a snack ... for the last time.

[I dare to_notice_]

The war in the Russian Federation is one thing, but the NWO is "this is another." (With)
Hike, one does not interfere with the other.

[Uprun]

One can only sympathize with the elderly flying heroes ..., over 50 the pressure is already fooling around, but here you can’t do without overloads ...., skills, although the former ones, are one thing, but health is another ...., well, okay for the steering wheel of a truck, but for the steering wheel of an airplane ..... Campaign their immortal flyers ...

[Third district]

There is nothing funny here. "Diseases" are the same as those of our army, that of the Ukrainian. Lack of staffing. Most of our military schools were closed by defective managers. Major General Kanamat Batashev, died while performing a combat mission on a Su-25 attack aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

He was a mercenary...

[Third district]

Quote: Zaurbek

He was a mercenary...

He is a Hero.

[Zaurbek]

I do not argue. I mean, he (the General) was not forced and could not be forced to go into battle on the Su25

[Third district]

Quote: Zaurbek

I do not argue. I mean, he (the General) was not forced and could not be forced to go into battle on the Su25

Are you sure that Ukrainian retired pilots are sent into battle by force, at gunpoint?

[Zaurbek]

If they have mobilization, then an order is an order. They called from the reserve and flew. Or do you think that these are Bandera and OUN members?

[Third district]

Quote: Zaurbek

If they have mobilization, then an order is an order. They called from the reserve and flew.

They are not in stock but retired. They've already served theirs. And they go for it themselves, most likely because of material considerations.

[tralflot1832]

Kanamat Batashev is a volunteer, did not retire.

[Third district]

Quote: tralflot1832

Kanamat Batashev is a volunteer, did not retire.

This suggests that there are not enough young pilots. If pensioners board planes. Moreover, there are not so many planes. The idea of ​​a small mobile army did not justify itself.

[Chronos]

Batashev served in the PMC.

[Astra55]

Quote: Chronos

Batashev served in the PMC

This is not known for certain.
The fact is that at the funeral there was a wreath from the musicians.
Maybe he played the violin himself.
Or maybe he covered the orchestra with himself.

[tralflot1832]

A person used all his connections to get at the helm of an airplane. The possibilities of airfields are not unlimited, around Ukraine. No one knows how the Air Force works. It is only known that they actively fly. bases that can be used.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Third District

Major General Kanamat Batashev, died while performing a combat mission on a Su-25 attack aircraft.

At the age of 63...

[Cottager452]

Propaganda of all stripes must be thrown out of the army and from the site, as Stalin did in the Second World War, abolishing the commissars.

[fiberboard]

Stalin did not throw out, but liquidated the dual command. What the dual command leads to can be seen from the example of the defeat of the Red Army in 1942 in the Crimea, where the party lord Mekhlis actually terrorized Kozlov, Tyulenyev and a bunch of other commanders.

[dva36]

Ukraine is doing everything to win, but we will not be shaken in any way.

[Nigmar Manjiev]

YES, SUFFERING from ZRADA, they do all this, and THE MILITARY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION DOES NOT NEED TO HURRY, let's wait a little WHEN GEYROPE and AMI get bored of all this together, and they will throw the BRAINLESS HORSES like a spent GUM.

[nik-mazur]

... pilots are involved in piloting ... at the age of "under sixty", who were retired ...

So it is better - than from vodka and from colds ...

[Gustav Bier]

Pilots in one direction, hello Bandera will be taken. From "Deutsche Soldaten und Officer))

[Is2]

It looks like the Russian army can not cope with the elderly

[Grandfather Mozai]

Ukrostan pilots fly rather to raise the morale of the infantry, in fact, their exhaust is near zero.

[Stepan S]

The same tactic as ours - they let NURSs roll up. So the output is the same.

[Grandfather Mozai]

Tell this to the outskirts of the outskirts, who feed the crayfish at the bottom, the rotary-winged have worked for envy;)

[Two]

It remains to call on gray-haired techies in wheelchairs and half-blind navigators of guidance, tablet players and RTV-shnikov on crutches and play them a waste!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Dos

It remains to call the gray-haired

Just don't throw hats on everyone.
They showed American PMCs near Kharkov. They won’t run a couple of hundred meters without shortness of breath, but ... We left 3000 square kilometers without much resistance with everything that was on them ...
If the size of the belligerent group is not at least doubled, the situation will only worsen - the enemy has learned how to fight, has revealed our weaknesses and will use them to the fullest.
We will have to send conscripts to the war and mobilized.
The longer this decision is delayed, the more failures we will have and the more unnecessary blood will be shed, because the flow of weapons and foreign "vacationers" to Ukraine will only increase.

[Two]

I agree with you! I just mocked this! The Ukrainians will stretch the rubber, and there NATO aircraft with trained pilots will go! Yes, and mercenary pilots can not be ruled out!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Dos

Mercenary pilots cannot be ruled out!

They will be temporarily fired from their Air Force or Navy, they will be called "volunteers" and all things.

[AAC]

It will be like in Kharkov. The mobilized will fill the trenches. And at this time, Westerners were trained. Westerners are now trained like special forces and there are many of them. We are now finishing off the MiGs, and they are training on F15 / 16. The next step is to lose air superiority...
It is necessary to directly increase the grouping as much as possible and destroy it with a quick decisive onslaught.

[Stepan S]

He will fly at low level across the border, throw a bomb at an infrastructure facility and run back, while they will sniff and report to Moscow through five levels of protection of the chief

[Mint Gingerbread]

It is interesting how soon such a crew, with an intense load, will start to jump in pressure and the motor in the chest will be naughty. And what about vision and reaction.

[nordscout]

About the MIG-29: the fighter was good, but about the attack aircraft, time will tell. About the gray-haired pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: the old horse will not spoil the furrow .... I expect the continuation of the phrase from some VO commentators: but it will not plow deep either! However, these pilots were trained to fly at the level of the subcortex of the brain, as they used to be taught to fly ... And the brain of these pilots will very quickly "remember" everything and translate it into "motor skills", i.e. into automatism ... So it will be difficult and unpredictable opponents ... Therefore, it is necessary to prepare both the Aerospace Forces and the air defense. About the planned "relocation" of the Aerospace Forces from heaven to sinful earth or the transformation of our positions into a pile of scrap metal and "200", "300", with the help of these gray-haired pilots, it is unlikely that it will be possible to "dissuade" in regular reports, the department of Lieutenant General Konoshenkov And .E. ... Although...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from nordscout

About the MIG-29: the fighter was good, but about the attack aircraft, time will tell.

As a bomber, the first modifications of the MiG-29 are generally zero. They will have to put up a sight for bombing.
I think this is solvable. At one time, the British and Italians willingly put their electronics on the Su and MiGs that Iraq had. And not only in Iraq.

[Kelevra]

It reminded me of something ... Ah, I remembered! Kamikaze!

[GNM]

Well, they could turn gray after the first meeting with the Su-35S ...

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In vain they staged a laugh. The enemy is very serious, still of Soviet training. And if you think that we are pilots, forget something, then you are deeply mistaken. Even though he seems to have retired decades ago, his head and hands remember everything, where is which switch-switch and everything else. It's all gone forever.
So a maximum of a week of intensive flights and everything finally returned.
And the health of 55-65 year olds is not so sad. There are problems, but not for everyone, young people are often much more rotten.
However, you can look at the test pilots. What, a lot of young people there? Grandfathers are still the same, but they can do nothing.
In addition, there are two categories that are not afraid of death, the first are those who are under twenty, because they have not yet acquired their minds and believe in their immortality, the second, who are about 55. They have already lived, the children have grown up ahead, nothing really awaits . And falling in battle is not such a bad prospect before the option of hoarding in a dozen other years, helpless, walking under oneself, but in one's own bed.
So it will be a difficult opponent, very difficult.

And it seems that propaganda in Ukraine is much more literate than ours, since the people of Soviet hardening were brainwashed.

By the way, we also need to adopt this experience, thanks to the efforts of generations of authorities, we have enough war veterans, especially among helicopter pilots. At least make up your mind, conduct medical examinations and see who else can fly. Yes, and it is impossible to urgently return old equipment to service, it is impossible to win with a small number without developed airmobile forces.

[Maxim G]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

And it seems that propaganda in Ukraine is much more literate than ours, since the people of Soviet hardening were brainwashed.

No, they didn’t wash it - they were like that.
I tried to find on YouTube either a short film or a show I saw in the 90s.
The bottom line is this - in 1992 (or so) fighter pilots (it seems Su-27) from Ukraine were interviewed - one of the questions is what will happen if a war starts between Russia and Ukraine, will you fight against yesterday's colleagues. Almost everyone answered that they will.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

No, they didn’t wash it - they were like that.

Some were, and some were not. I served at that time. Only two people left our flight crew from the regiment, despite the fact that there were about 20% of Ukrainians, and if with a surname with a "ko" take even more. Although many were called, far from bad places, and relatives there, they refused, because of this very oath and the conditions with it.
There were many who refused to take the oath and left for the Russian Federation. Moreover, not only Russians, but also Ukrainians. It's just that then they didn't care about nationality, the question was - are you a Soviet officer or not?
So they went to Russia, like the White Guards to the Don.
And there were also many Russians who stayed and took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine.
But you don’t need to look for political background here, you need to remember what discord reigned in your heads in those years. In addition, do not forget the famous "KVN" graduates of Soviet schools. When the merry rode east, the resourceful went west.

[Maxim G]

Let's see what happens next - maybe someone will fly to us. And then it will work according to the APU.
Remembering the Soviet oath.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Don't count too much. There is a lot of propaganda out there. Some methods were used against veterans, others against the youth.

[Maxim G]

I don't count. Moreover, I do not refuse my assertion that the pilots in independent Ukraine are initially rotten.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The rottenness in them is no more than in you, forgive me for being direct.
After all, it is so convenient to immediately decide that people there are initially rotten than to admit the fact that the Russian Federation overslept, lost time, that our leadership was more concerned about its own income, and if some kind of Ukraine was interested, it was only as a way to increase these incomes .

[Maxim G]

How then to understand that Ukrainian pilots in the early 90s declared that they were ready to fight against YESTERDAY colleagues?
Those. there was no propaganda for 30 years, yesterday a colleague, and today an enemy.

And as for the rottenness, these bombed Donbass, killing civilians (I talked with people from there, including a girl who saw the plane strike), and I help people in Donbass by sending humanitarian aid and money.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

How then to understand that Ukrainian pilots in the early 90s declared that they were ready to fight against YESTERDAY colleagues?
Those. there was no propaganda for 30 years, yesterday a colleague, and today an enemy.

And then, in the early nineties, did you hear these statements? It is from pilots and other military personnel?
Meanwhile, then the situation was different, for example, while on vacation in Ukraine, an officer of the Russian Federation became registered at the local commandant's office. And if there are no such marks, then upon returning from vacation he received a scolding from his own command.
In addition, there was an agreement on pension provision. The Soviet officer ended his service in Ukraine in the already Ukrainian army, after his dismissal he returned to Russia, becoming a reserve officer already in the Russian Federation and the whole service was counted. And vice versa accordingly.

And as for the rottenness, these bombed Donbass, killing civilians (I talked with people from there, including a girl who saw the plane strike), and I help people in Donbass by sending humanitarian aid and money.

Should I repent now? I bombed Chechnya, and it is clear that the civilians also got it.
But seriously, the result of the fact that a new generation of pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine bombed Donetsk is the consequences of the fact that the Russian Federation did not care who and what ideology is sowing into the heads of Ukrainian youth.

[Maxim G]

And then, in the early nineties, did you hear these statements? It is from pilots and other military personnel?

I wrote initially, there was a documentary film that was shown on Russian TV in the early 90s, I managed to find an excerpt from it on YouTube, I inserted a video (alas, I could not find the whole film). Ukrainian pilots talked about it in it.

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Should I repent now? I bombed Chechnya, and it is clear that the civilians also got it.
But seriously, the result of the fact that a new generation of pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine bombed Donetsk is the consequences of the fact that the Russian Federation did not care who and what ideology is sowing into the heads of Ukrainian youth.

And the old ones, too, for example, one pilot from the times of the USSR, who participated in the ATO, our anti-aircraft gunners landed.

As for ideology, does the Ukrainian leadership not bear the primary responsibility for what is happening now?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I mean in general that your search for simple solutions and the appointment of the guilty is a road to nowhere.

[Maxim G]

Is there a solution at all to the situation in which we find ourselves?
Even in this thread they joke.

Overall though, the situation is very difficult.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Heavy. Some of my classmates at the school stayed there. And I'm not sure that none of them are now in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Alas, we have been residents of different states for decades.

[Maxim G]

This is not only between Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation.
There is a good channel on YouTube "The Boy in the Mask", there is a guy from the Crimea, as a schoolboy he began to shoot videos on aviation topics (as far as I understand, NOW he is studying to become a pilot, and his older brother died in the NWO (on our side): for example, a series of issues about the MiG-25, Su-24, including with the pilots who flew them.
There is a video with a MiG-23 pilot, who now lives in Kazakhstan, this pilot is written in the comments: "the Soviet Union depended on you," etc.
The pilot thanked in the comments - I noticed the ending in his name on YouTube KZ (Kazakhstan), went to his channel with a bad feeling and it didn’t let me down - I came across a video on his channel with an Azerbaijani military expert (as I understand it, also a former Soviet military): "aggression in Ukraine", "backward weapons", etc., very softly, intelligently, without denunciation of a zealous one.
And he called up as the SVO began with Russian and Ukrainian colleagues.
What I mean is that they are our former Soviet fellow citizens now citizens of other states, and we are nobody for them at best, and enemies at worst.
And I perfectly understand that we will not be pitied. And they will tear our country apart, so we can’t lose in any way.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

There are two points.
Russia, sadly to realize, for all these years has not done anything to at least arouse sympathy among former Soviet citizens and their heirs. The procedure for obtaining citizenship alone is worth something. It comes to ridiculous, refugees, pensioners, as well as people of unskilled labor, who consume more than the return from them, received citizenship almost automatically. At the same time, highly qualified specialists who did not ask for anything other than citizenship, neither financial assistance, nor housing, they have professions in demand and they earned everything for themselves, launched into several circles of hell.
The second point is that it is foolish to blame foreigners if we have enough of our own, home-grown Russophobes and anti-Soviet people.

[Maxim G]

These 2 points, alas, will have to be combined.
Among those who come to work or even receive citizenship of the Russian Federation from Central Asia, the Caucasus, there are many who hate Russia, Russians.
And this can become for the opponents of Russia something that can be influenced or is already being influenced.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And no matter how ridiculous, people from Central Asia and the Caucasus get citizenship of the Russian Federation much faster.

[Maxim G]

Alas, this is reality.
And not funny at all.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Yes, this is the sabotage of our officials who profess liberal views.

[Vic Vic]

That is, pilots who, with a high degree of probability, served in the Soviet army, become part of the ranks ...

[ovod84]

and that they have planes, after all, they said that their fleet was destroyed, or not all airfields were covered

[Father of papa carlo]

this is the ghost of Kyiv!!!!

[Tosochka333]

Phantom of the Graveyard - meet the new Hero of the Outskirts!,,

[RaccoonSnake]

This shows that the reservist system is working for them.

[Vitaly Sorokin]

What "reservists"? Grandfathers who can simply not withstand the stress during the flight! The roof was blown away by the Nazis ... The next step is the call for 15-17 year olds, but simply children! Does it remind you of anything from history?

[Fitter65]

The weapon is a single aerial bomb placed in a niche between the two engines, which reduces air resistance in flight

Damn really "expert". I wonder how the placement of an air bomb in the stream, between the engines, reduces air resistance? Yes, it doesn’t look like a bomb, it’s more like a PTB. Which, by the way, was supposed to be hung on this place.

[opposite28]

The armament is a single aerial bomb, placed in a niche between the two engines, which reduces air resistance in flight. The same goal was pursued when dismantling the fuel tanks. This kind of “modernization” of the MiG-29 is designed to maximize its flight speed for carrying out swift attacks on ground targets, that is, it is aimed at using a classic air combat fighter as an attack aircraft.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote: Terenin

The next flight will show how the MiG-29 converted into an attack aircraft and its gray-haired crew will behave in battle.

And what difference does it make to us, for example, who will stab you with a knife, a teenager or an old man?
Destroy, to hell, an armed enemy and an enemy.

I have a purely professional question. And how did these grandfathers pass VLK? Here the question is not like a medical board in the traffic police. The question is more serious. MiG-29 - fighter. Overloads and 5 and 7 and further towards the "gray-eyed beauty" (graying of the lateral fields of vision due to the outflow of blood from the eye) Grandfathers, and even out of habit, will easily begin to lose consciousness. Well, fight yourself and ruin the equipment.

No, well, if it’s completely edge ... Salokamikaze? :) Well, you won’t get enough pilots or planes ....

Something I have a suspicion that the enta infa is a misinformation or even a fake ...

After all, ukrov now have a shortage of aircraft, not pilots!

No, that's right, bullshit! Unrealistic!

[iouris]

Will Soviet pilots fight for the USA and NATO? This is an ideology.

[Down]

Quote: iouris

Will Soviet pilots fight for the USA and NATO? This is an ideology.

What surprised you? And how Russian officers roared for both the Red Army and the Wehrmacht ....

[iouris]

I can't be surprised. I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about how yesterday's communists are made Nazis, and they become Nazis, how Russians are made Russophobes. And some argue that "we have no ideology."

[Down]

Of course there is, ideology is always present, it's just that in a bourgeois state, as a rule, it is not very attractive to ordinary citizens, since it serves the ruling class. Whoever prays to whatever god, the goal is the same - money))

[Beck69]

Old Soviet school. This is embarrassing. Only "old men" go into battle, their mother. These will butt heads if there are principles. It is better to bring them down on takeoff.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

These are people under the age of "under sixty", who were retired. Now they are being returned to service.

That's just the Mig 29 is not a maize and aerobatics requires health, and only for combat - impeccable.

[iouris]

You don't need "aerobatics" to throw bombs or rockets.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Yeah, fly, throw, and no one will answer, or prevent it in a warning way? In addition, even just flying to the target, launching / resetting and quick flight will require significant maneuvering, which is fraught with loads that the body cannot tolerate with age. Looks like you haven't seen the pilots since the mission. I saw after training flights, at least wring out your underwear. See how ours spin during flights, and this is with no opposition from enemy aircraft. Only maneuvers from possible attacks from the ground. On the sofa, you can talk about lightness and simplicity. But where did Ukrainian aviation go?

[NSV]

Light, heavy ..... There is only one question! Why are these MiGs in the ranks ?!

[Illanatol]

Quote: Serg Koma

The difference is that according to the "talking head" all the MiG-29s of Ukraine + Eastern Europe (in terms of quantity) were DESTROYED,

Where and when did Konashenkov list specific types of combat aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
253 aircraft are of all types (MiG-29, Su-25, Su-24, Su-27).
Taking into account the reserve, Ukraine had more than 350 aircraft at the beginning of the conflict, plus supplies from other countries of the former Warsaw Pact.

[ss29]

There were 25 Su 31s, well, maybe they planted them, but they paid for a hundred, I would say so again Su25.

[Shuttle]

A good chance for old pilots of Ukraine to die in their own bed is a flight to the side of the Russian Federation.

[Illanatol]

Quote: ss29

There were 25 Su 31s, well, maybe they planted them, but they paid for a hundred, I would say so again Su25.

And how much was immediately after the collapse of the USSR, you know?
Only the MiG-29 in 1992 - about 240 pieces.
About 70 more Su-27s, 45 Su-24s...
Well, they squandered, of course, they let most of them go "to the left".
It is necessary to take into account not only what is in the Air Force, what is in the flight units, but also the reserve - in warehouses.
I have strained with aircraft manufacturing plants in Ukraine, but aircraft repair enterprises may well work. So they assemble new airplanes, dismantling old decommissioned or damaged ones. Including from junk received from Eastern European countries.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The church is not a commercial organization, they do not have a large supply of funds, she herself lives on donations .....

The church is a very commercial organization. There is even a candle factory in Sofrino.

[former soldier]

Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner

These are people under the age of "under sixty", who were retired. Now they are being returned to service.

That's just the Mig 29 is not a maize and aerobatics requires health, and only for combat - impeccable.

Of course. Who will make out if they knocked him down or his heart caught, it burns on the ground.