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Do debts written off in respect of foreign countries benefit Russia?

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Do debts written off in respect of foreign countries benefit Russia?The other day there was information that Russia, with 2008, had written off the 20 billion-dollar debt (the amount in US dollars) to African states. This information was announced from the rostrum of the UN General Assembly by the head of the Department of International Relations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia Vladimir Sergeyev. In addition to the impressive amount written off, the Russian Government has made 50 a millionth contribution (also in dollars) to a fund specially created at the World Bank for the poorest countries in the world. Russia financially encouraged educational, medical, and public projects in a number of African states, implementing, among other things, joint programs. If we consider only the educational sphere, today about 4 thousands of students from different African countries are studying at Russian universities for free, that is, with 100% funding from the Russian budget.

The representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, Mr. Sergeyev, said that the debts should not be considered donated to Africa. In fact, this is a kind of exchange of debt relief for development programs, in which Russian representatives, including representatives of private business, can take part. Debt cancellation occurred due to the fact that Africa would still not be able to pay its debt to Russia, which means that it is necessary to look for other ways of contacts. By the way, we began to hear words about the impossibility of paying debts from different countries with regard to Russia with enviable regularity. And every time the same thought expresses itself as an excuse: they say that all this will return a hundredfold, no need to skimp ...

In general, the prospect is drawn rather gracefully: we write off the debt, our business and government structures of Africans immediately admit to their territory that Russia participate in large-scale projects in various fields of activity. And after that, it seems, Russia should not just regain the multibillion-dollar funds invested in Africa, but also increase the return on its generosity.

It would seem that all we have to do is get pocket calculators and count all the benefits of writing off a solid debt, equal, for example, to 20 (!) Expenditure items of the budgets of the Kursk or Bryansk regions for the 2012 year.

However, before falling into euphoria from another manifestation of friendship to fraternal African nations, I would like to consider the situation with how far the debts written off earlier were able to translate into promising business projects on the territory of various acceptor states of Russian (Soviet) monetary investments. We will not delve into the Soviet history, and pay attention to the new Russian time (with 1991 year).

So, only in recent years, Russia has written off debts to foreign countries in Asia and Africa (not counting the last write-off) in an amount that, according to the most approximate estimates, is equal to 75 billions of dollars. The largest amounts of debt were written off to such states as DPRK (about 10 billion dollars), Mongolia (11,1 billion dollars), Afghanistan (about 11 billion dollars), Vietnam (10 billion dollars), Syria (10 billion dollars), Iraq (8 billion dollars). As you can see, the Asian continent was quite actively sponsored by the national budget. Africa got less but the last news says that this continent is still ahead ...

So, if you pay attention to those countries to which Russia has written off its debts, then, perhaps, Syria can be called a state that has declared and continues to declare its necessarily friendly position towards the Russian Federation. Moreover, before the beginning of a bloody civil war in this state, on its territory there existed, indeed, a sufficient number of joint projects, from which the Russian side extracted certain profits. In this case, the cancellation of the debt can still be called strategic and fully justified.

If you pay attention to other states in respect of which Russia has shown unprecedented generosity, some of them with a stretch can be called insolvent.

In particular, in the 2000 year, a debt in the amount of 10 billion dollars was written off to Vietnam. And it was hardly possible even to call this country frankly insolvent in those years. Today, the growth of the Vietnamese economy is ahead of the growth of the Russian economy, and ten billions of Hanoi could afford to find out, say, domestic reserves. In all likelihood, debt relief to Vietnam of the 2000 model of the year should have served as some kind of act of goodwill towards the official Hanoi, so that it was possible to extend the lease of the military base in Cam Ranh. Under the Soviet-Vietnamese treaty, Moscow had the opportunity to exploit Kamran for free. But the Soviet Union collapsed, and since 1991, the rent has become, let's say, not entirely free. The “not entirely free” rental was due to end in 2004, when Vietnam could demand full payment for the operation of the military base. Moscow is writing off Vietnamese debt, although the national debt of Russia by that time was estimated at a sum close to 50% of GDP. But this step did not lead to any progressive agreements. The Kamran base flew out of our hands, and who is to blame for this, and what should have been done to make the base remain Russian - a question from the category that hung in the air ... In general, in 2002, the Russians learned that the country simply did not have money to keep its military base in distant Vietnam. Of course, there was little money, and therefore the military personnel still had questions, but the civil majority took the departure from Cam Ranh for granted.

By the way, Vietnam, according to some sources, offered Russia to pay 300 million dollars a year, but in Russia it was perceived as ingratitude for writing off the debt, or something else, but in the end, many agreed on the opinion “and we need a military base in Cam Ranh –– it’s just a hassle ... ”

In 2008, Russia writes off about 4,5 billions of Libya’s dollars. It would seem, everything is clear: the links with the then leadership were such as the documents on the deliveries of the Russian weapons Libya was signed without further ado, and joint projects on hydrocarbons also worked as planned. But then, suddenly, the West finds out for itself that, in Libya, it turns out, the anti-democratic regime, that Libya needs to be democratized urgently ... At the same time, the democratization went so far that there was no trace of joint projects with Russia in Libya, the written off debt was forgotten, and Moscow in general, for a “democratic” Libya, it turned into the capital of an unfriendly state, which until recently did not hoist the flag of the new government on the building of the Libyan embassy. In general, here too, debt relief did not become an impetus for new mutually beneficial relations between countries. About write-off in Tripoli and Benghazi just forgot.

In 2008, Russia decides to write off the 8 billionth Iraqi debt. And here again a certain oddity is manifested. Well, in any way Iraq does not correspond to the concept of the poorest country in the world. And if not, then why such a solid debt write-off was carried out?

However, in the case of Iraq, there is still a positive moment for Russia associated with joint trade projects, which were only recently implemented (on paper). We are talking about the signing by Russia and Iraq of a number of contracts for the purchase of the latest Russian weapons. The total amount of these contracts is more than 4 billions of dollars for the purchase of weapons from the Russian Federation (Pantsir-C1 system, MiG-29М / М2 fighters, Mi-28HE helicopters, air defense systems and armored vehicles). This fact immediately caused a wave of disapproval in the West: they say, how can it be so ... Iraq was democratized by us, and its leadership concludes contracts with Russia ... Disorder! Therefore, after the announcement of Iraq’s contracts with Russia, the United States immediately became more active and declared that they could fully cover all Iraq’s needs for airplanes, helicopters and armored vehicles, air defense systems and other weapons, claiming the amount of contracts worth $ 12 billion. And if Russia gives way here, then it will be possible to state that a kind of financial overturn in the form of debt cancellation will also become a common senseless gift to a country that could easily pay its debts.

No less questions and debt relief for other countries. After the cancellation of the DPRK's debt, Pyongyang was offered to participate in a joint project to lay the Trans-Korean railway to the ports of South Korea, and also to lay power lines from Russia to South Korea through the territory of the DPRK. However, so far there is no question about any business projects. Moreover, the DPRK media voiced the position of the country's leadership, which promises to deliver almost a nuclear strike on Seoul, if it does not stop the “dirty insinuations” against the North Korean people. What kind of railway there is ... What kind of power lines are here ...

And the writing off of Afghan debt in 2007 also can hardly be called an example of strategic thought in terms of joint business projects. If we consider that after 2014, the Taliban will most likely be in power in this country again, or the forces that are in close contact with them, the 11 billionth gift from Russia will also be quickly forgotten ... And who remembers such a thing? Whether it is “imperial ambitions”, “strangling democratic ideals” or “Russian colonization”, this will cultivate for a very, very long time, but the fact that the money of Soviet (Russian) taxpayers turned out to be a solid gift for local economies is forgotten quickly.

In general, in order to establish partnerships and entangle ourselves with bonds of friendship, you can generally write off all debts and hope that the “partners” will give us some preferences. But, guided by the facts of the recent history of debt relief, it is hardly possible to say that the preferences for Russia in these countries will surely manifest themselves.
In this regard, I would like to think that, after all, regular statements about debt cancellation to various countries of the world, like write-offs themselves, have a strategic goal, and are not a banal manifestation of little explainable political and economic generosity. As you know, with good intentions, the road is lined not at all in the heavens ...
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  1. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 20 October 2012 08: 40
    +36
    to save our duralomas in the government play nobility at the expense of our own people.
    RUSSIA'S DEBT NO ONE IS GOING TO FORGET - this is unfair
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 09: 04
      +29
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      AT THE ACCOUNT OF OWN PEOPLE.
      RUSSIA'S DEBT NO ONE IS GOING TO FORGET - this is unfair

      and not only when our person inside Russia, having lost his job, is indebted to the bank, our state will not help him, but billions of dollars cannot be written off to anyone and for what, like good morning. Russia forgave everyone and everyone, but thank you we won’t hear, time will pass and they will still bill us angry
      1. bask
        bask 20 October 2012 09: 19
        +17
        ,,, FORGIVED .. debt ... Who did it. Let him pay the full amount out of his pocket .... He has enough bobs A ALL MONEY FOR FREE TREATMENT AND TRAINING))) Zae ..... to tear people from three ..skins..su ..........
      2. Dr. Pilyulkin
        Dr. Pilyulkin 20 October 2012 10: 11
        +16
        Exactly. Victims in Krymsk did not write off debts to banks. Restructured.
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 20 October 2012 13: 06
          +5
          Quote: Dr. Pillkin
          Victims in Krymsk did not write off debts to banks. Restructured

          Doctor, you are right! +++
          The government is not used to feeling sorry for itself.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 21 October 2012 10: 48
            +6
            and who said sho WE are for them --- ours! ????????????????????????????????
    2. pribolt
      pribolt 20 October 2012 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: Leha e-mine

      to save our duralomas in the government play nobility at the expense of our own people.

      Yeah, you can see in Russia everything is so "GOOD" that already 20 billion are no longer needed, plus now a new loan for the Vietnamese for 10 billion after that you think the POWER OF THE PEOPLE'S ENEMIES
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 10: 12
        +7
        Quote: pribolt
        20 billion are no longer needed plus now a new loan for the Vietnamese at 10 billion

        People, they argued that there is no money for aircraft carriers winked tell why they are not angry
    3. Radarik606
      Radarik606 20 October 2012 11: 54
      +7
      The article is stupid and superficial !!!

      Vietnam has given its large deposits for exploration and production, for decades, these $ 10 billion have long been in our budget, plus our companies are still continuing to increase production in the South China Sea! The benefits are obvious, plus politics, plus the purchase of weapons !!!
      1. Warik
        Warik 20 October 2012 19: 22
        +4
        The author missed a crucial moment regarding Iraq, because it was Russia (Lukoil) that got the development of the largest oil field West Qurna-2 in the territory of this country. And Vietnam. Russia will be building nuclear power plants there, plus Gazprom is developing their shelf (by the way, as it were, disputed territories). And finally, in Africa, Nornickel is doing his job well. Conclusion: awareness is so-so.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 20 October 2012 21: 26
          +2
          Can you educate me, dear, how the work of private Lukoil, Norilsk Nickel and semi-private Gazprom and Rosatom in "forgiven" states affects the budget of Russia. In numbers, if possible.
          Quote: Warik
          Conclusion: awareness is so-so.

          Here, at the same time, you will show yours.
          1. Warik
            Warik 20 October 2012 22: 11
            +2
            I admit, I can’t know about the numbers, but since they work there, then there are some deductions to the budget, and ties between our states and jobs are created in the end.
          2. Radarik606
            Radarik606 21 October 2012 14: 53
            +2
            And you take an interest in who owns Gazprom and Zarubezhneft and where TNC Bipy pays taxes! And I’m silent about Rosatom in general, for it is the development of the nuclear industry, the support of cities and the whole industry!

            At the end of 2009, the company produced 183 million tons of oil [2]. The joint venture provides almost a third of Vietnam’s foreign exchange earnings, and the Russian side’s profit for this period amounted to more than $ 5 billion with a total investment of $ 750 million.
            In 2005, the company's oil production amounted to 10,65 million tons. In 2005, 17,1 billion rubles were transferred to the Russian budget from the activities of Vietsovpetro. from wikipedia
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 22 October 2012 09: 53
              0
              Quote: Radarik606
              At the end of 2009, the company produced 183 million tons of oil [2]. The joint venture provides almost a third of Vietnam’s foreign exchange earnings, and the Russian side’s profit for this period amounted to more than $ 5 billion with a total investment of $ 750 million.
              In 2005, the company's oil production amounted to 10,65 million tons. In 2005, 17,1 billion rubles were transferred to the Russian budget from the activities of Vietsovpetro. from wikipedia

              A more accurate figure as of 2012:
              At the end of December 1988, the first million tons of oil was produced. In August 2012, after almost a quarter of a century, the staff of the Vietsovpetro joint venture noted the production of 200 million tons.

              How much does the budget get? Are billions of greenbacks really?
              At the end of 2010, Zarubezhneft paid dividends to the federal budget in the amount of more than 10,4 billion rubles, which amounted to 50,24% of the company's net profit.
              ***
              According to the results of 2011, Zarubezhneft's net profit amounted to more than 17 billion rubles, the company's income from the activities of Vietsovpetro - more than 16,2 billion rubles. The company proposed to transfer about 4,2 billion rubles in the form of dividends to the federal budget.

              More details: http://izvestia.ru/news/523499#ixzz2A0KLwjKB
              That is, about $ 140 million. Not as much as we would like?
        2. Dr. Pilyulkin
          Dr. Pilyulkin 21 October 2012 10: 08
          +1
          I do not argue with the fact that somewhere Russia will benefit from these write-offs. Just do not forget about fellow citizens. It’s the same as giving flowers to outsiders, but never to a wife. ;-)
    4. Gemar
      Gemar 20 October 2012 13: 03
      +4
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      play nobility

      Noble Russia has written off debts to African countries. The Africans breathed out calmly ... Fuuuu ... Now African countries can fulfill their obligations to the Chinese with a clear conscience. They owe China even more than they owe us. Only China first receives something from these countries (now resources, after which it will have the right to open military bases), then builds infrastructure for them with the proceeds (real money, with rare exceptions, does not), then the Africans still owe the Chinese for help the latter. And nothing is going to forgive the PRC to anyone. Well, only if again in exchange for resources. Forgiving other countries their debts, the PRC considers it an "unhealthy trend" ... and it is doing the right thing!
    5. Kaa
      Kaa 20 October 2012 14: 17
      +5
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      RUSSIA'S DEBT NO ONE IS GOING TO FORGET - this is unfair

      I absolutely agree with your statement. But debt cancellation is a rule long developed by civilization, for example, "The Bible fundamentally prohibits any collection of interest on loans. The prohibition is repeated many times." If your brother becomes impoverished and falls into decay with you, then support him, whether he is an alien or a settler, so that he lives with Do not take growth and profit from him, and fear your God. Do not give your silver to him for growth, and do not give your bread to him for profit ”(Leviticus 25: 35-37).
      The main means of dealing with debts and debt pledges was the institution of "years of forgiveness", which, in all likelihood, coincided with Saturday and anniversary years and periodically restored normal relations between members of the theocratic state, disturbed by people and the historical process. “At the beginning of the seventh year, make forgiveness” - this is how succinctly the establishment of the year of forgiveness is announced (Deuteronomy 15: 1). Below the Bible explains in detail the essence of such a year: “Forgiveness consists in the fact that every lender who lent to his neighbor should forgive the debt and not exact from his neighbor when forgiveness is proclaimed for the sake of thy God” (Deuteronomy 15, 2). This is the text of this unprecedented law in the history of mankind. Its direct meaning is that in the seventh year there should have been an absolute termination of the lender's right to demand from the debtor the loan amount given to him, in a word, the complete cessation of any debt relations between them. "
      It is another matter that these principles are trampled underfoot by the modern banking system, first of all in the West, and secondly - by their Russian "banking students". Until the system of enslaving bank interest is destroyed, crises (both global and domestic) will recur. The fact that Russia forgives a part of its foreign debts is correct, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO BE WITH YOUR CITIZENS!
      1. Van
        Van 20 October 2012 16: 54
        +1
        And who remembers this? Whether it’s the matter of “imperial ambitions”, “strangulation of democratic ideals” or “Russian colonization” - this will be cultivated for a very, very long time, but the fact that the money of Soviet (Russian) taxpayers turned out to be a solid gift for local economies is quickly forgotten.

        Yes, gentlemen (no comments), No.

        You have to do something with this, otherwise it doesn’t work out. angry
      2. avreli
        avreli 21 October 2012 06: 00
        +2
        If your brother is impoverished ... The Bible explains in detail the essence of such a year: Forgiveness consists in every lender who loaned to his neighbor ...

        Leviticus - The Third Book of Moses - The Third Book of the Pentateuch ...
        Deuteronomy - The Fifth Book of Moses - the fifth book of the Pentateuch (Torah), Old Testament.

        Firstly, these are recommendations to Jews regarding Jews.
        Secondly, where among the beneficiaries listed in the material did you find “brothers” and “neighbors”?
        And thirdly ... you, in general, are not from the "left bank of Zhmerinka", dear Ukrainian ... wink
      3. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 October 2012 08: 03
        0
        Kaa,
        Very useful comment! + hi
    6. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 20 October 2012 20: 27
      +1
      And they also say a lot of money goes to fenders in the army, and the billions of dollars in debt are written off to everyone in a row. am
    7. Skiff
      Skiff 21 October 2012 16: 24
      +1
      Well, billions are forgiving, but there are no kindergartens for children and no where for young people to live.
    8. escobar
      escobar 21 October 2012 17: 30
      0
      Let blacks and Arabs settle, in mines, mines, fields
  2. cerber
    cerber 20 October 2012 08: 45
    +4
    Our generous state No.
    1. zadotov
      zadotov 20 October 2012 09: 26
      +16
      In Russia, as always, Papuans are more expensive than their own citizens, let Sberbank and Russian Agricultural Bank write off loans for at least developing enterprises and peasant farms.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: cerber
      Our generous state

      Yes, but not in relation to their own citizens hi
    3. ruslan7608
      ruslan7608 20 October 2012 12: 37
      0
      just not in relation to his people
  3. deputy
    deputy 20 October 2012 09: 00
    +13
    With the same, easy movement of the hand would write off my mortgage!
    1. Dr. Pilyulkin
      Dr. Pilyulkin 20 October 2012 09: 24
      +12
      Not fair somehow. Despite the fact that all over the country children are dying from serious illnesses because parents do not have enough money for treatment. And the amazing selectivity is also interesting. Belarus, I think, did not write off a penny. With Ukraine we gnaw at every dollar. And here we write off a lot of money to "foreign" countries, many of which are quite solvent, for dubious dividends. I assure you, they will not say thank you later.
      1. Karish
        Karish 20 October 2012 11: 08
        +8
        Quote: Dr. Pillkin
        And the amazing selectivity is also interesting. Belarus, I think, did not write off a penny. With Ukraine we gnaw at every dollar. And then we write off a lot of money to "foreign" countries

        Here I am talking about, writing off debts to unknown people, teaching descendants of monkeys at the expense of the budget at the best Russian universities, while Ukrainians are selling gas 2 times more expensive than Germany, and the return of Russians from former owls. countries are surrounded by numerous obstacles and bureaucracy.
        What kind of nonsense is it going to be?
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 10: 32
      +6
      this money would be enough to build 400 one-room apartments at the rate of $ 000 for each new ....
      in which more than a million Russians could live in peace
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 20 October 2012 09: 07
    +8
    You gave someone a loan, they did not return it to you, and you forgave him.
    Be prepared for what they will ask you 2-3 times more and certainly will not give!
    1. Karish
      Karish 20 October 2012 11: 09
      +7
      Quote: omsbon
      You gave someone a loan, they did not return it to you, and you forgave him.
      Be prepared for the fact that they will ask you for 2-3 times more and certainly will not give!

      No need to prepare, Syria was forgiven 10 billion, it also took a loan of 4.5 billion, what do you think the money back?
      1. Karish
        Karish 20 October 2012 11: 30
        +2
        I like these minuses in the dark, like cats ridiculous, put a minus, no problem, but at least justify
        1. Beck
          Beck 20 October 2012 18: 32
          -2
          Assad! Assad! Assad! A bosom friend. Amerov is holding back. We also need to give him money so that he can stand, and then forgive everything again. A friend, after all. So this friend will hang, clinging to the Russian budget, gnawing off pieces from Russian schools, hospitals, pensions.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 21 October 2012 09: 33
            +3
            Well, you can not give. As a result, amers will come to us. Let Assad hang on his neck better.
            1. Beck
              Beck 21 October 2012 10: 53
              -3
              Quote: bot.su
              Well, you can not give. As a result, amers will come to us. Let Assad hang on his neck better.


              Well, this is how the amers will come to Russia? How? That after the fall of Assad, will the Amers concentrate the millionth army in Syria and begin the invasion of Russia through Turkey and the Caucasus? What do they occupy Russia? Or will they buy up all the plants, factories and lands? Or will any Texas Joe become the president of Russia? Well how?

              Or do you think there is another option for the enslavement of Russia precisely from the territory of Syria? And in general, how can you enslave a state that has nuclear weapons without unleashing a nuclear apocalypse? If you have options for such enslavement, please describe. I would really appreciate it.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 October 2012 11: 07
                +2
                Quote: Beck

                Well, this is how the amers will come to Russia? How?

                Beck, about a global strike, what did you hear?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 21 October 2012 12: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Beck, about a global strike, what did you hear?


                  Respected. So what am I talking about? Dealing a global nuclear strike is the world nuclear apocalypse. Because followed by a retaliatory global nuclear strike. So then there will be no one to occupy. And you cannot enter the conquered land for thousands of years.

                  And the territory of Syria in a global blow, well, nobody needs a fig. And to concentrate, for a global blow, the millionth army in Syria - chickens for laughter and a waste of money. When can strategic missiles be launched from mine installations and from submarines. And throwing a ground army through the Caucasus ridge for the occupation of Russia - IDIOTISM.

                  Exactly the same idiocy as giving Assad new loans, without a guarantee that he will return them, moreover, Assad is not known to hold on to power or perish along with Russian money.
            2. Karish
              Karish 21 October 2012 12: 59
              +2
              Quote: bot.su
              As a result, amers will come to us. Let Assad hang on his neck better

              Yes, they have long come. Everything has been sold for a long time, but what is not sold to the end (oil, etc.) continues to be sold. At the same time, money remains in the same West and in America. Over 80% of Russia's exports are raw materials. The scheme is simple: Russia sells raw materials, receives money and leaves them there on deposits, converts raw materials to the final product in the West, selling them in the Russian Federation tens (if) not hundreds of times more expensive. To buy the same product, Russian companies take loans in the West at a much higher percentage received on deposits (that is, they take their money in general and pay interest on it). Russia is the main sponsor of the West, even for raw materials exported capital. Look at the statistics of elite housing purchases, even in England, even in the States. The most significant deals are Russians.
              Why cut a chicken laying golden eggs. Sheep can be sheared ad infinitum, and skinned only once.
              1. Beck
                Beck 21 October 2012 13: 19
                -2
                Karish.

                I agree with you. But you are more about the economic component. I explained more about the military component. Since I believe that Botan.su had it in mind when he said - They will come to us through Syria.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 21 October 2012 13: 25
                  -5
                  Quote: Beck
                  I agree with you. But you are more about the economic component. I explained more about the military component. Since I believe that Botan.su had it in mind when he said - They will come to us through Syria.

                  They won’t come. Especially through Syria. Moreover, the declaration of war by a nuclear power. What for ? Because of Syria, and he thinks that all just go in packs and wait, how to declare war on Russia? Reagan did not declare war, but the USSR collapsed.
                  The recipes have not changed. It is enough to impose sanctions on the supply of equipment and lower the price of oil and gas (which Reagan did), the result was not long in coming. But who really needs a poor, dangerous and nuclear Russia? On the contrary, rich, calm and predictable is much more important. Therefore, the nerd can calm down, there will be no war and you will learn English in courses, and not in the queues at the American commandant’s office wassat
                  1. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 21 October 2012 19: 41
                    +2
                    The post is unique! Sam asked, he answered :)
                    Quote: Karish
                    Moreover, the declaration of war by a nuclear power. What for ? Because of Syria, and he thinks that all just go in packs and wait, how to declare war on Russia?

                    and right there
                    Quote: Karish
                    Reagan did not declare war, but the USSR collapsed.
                    The recipes have not changed.

                    So the democratization of Libya = unrest and de facto, the collapse of Libya. Democratization of Syria = civil war and the collapse of Syria. Well, the climax, another democratization of Russia.
                    Quote: Karish
                    But who really needs a poor, dangerous and nuclear Russia?

                    Yes, Russia, except the Russians, is not needed by anyone. Nobody needs even a rich, calm and predictable! Because no one will withdraw capital and invest them in real estate in the West on a rainy day from a calm and predictable country. And in general, a rich, calm and predictable country - these are incompatible characteristics for Russia! Russia is not Switzerland! We are bored to get rich quietly!
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 21 October 2012 19: 54
                      -1
                      Quote: bot.su
                      The post is unique! Sam asked, he answered :)

                      I’ll answer, if they want to ruin Russia, then Syria certainly has nothing to do with it. The same is Syria to me, as an outpost of Russia's defense.
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Reagan did not declare war, but the USSR collapsed.
                      The recipes have not changed.

                      Of course. Millionth armies through Syria will not reach Russia. Yes, and why conquer you? I already wrote, hen laying golden eggs, it is necessary to protect
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Yes, Russia does not need anyone except Russians

                      Well, it's you in vain. needed and very
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Nobody needs even a rich, calm and predictable

                      This is what we need. business generally likes silence
                      Quote: bot.su
                      And in general, a rich, calm and predictable country - these are incompatible characteristics for Russia!

                      You know better.
                      Quote: bot.su
                      We are bored to get rich quietly!

                      Well yes . no calm. nor wealth.
            3. Islam
              Islam 4 November 2012 23: 37
              +1
              And it’s better to provide real military assistance. For example, to create a single air defense as with Kazakhstan then you don’t need to give money and support will be more powerful
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 20 October 2012 09: 23
    0
    However, not all countries do this! Some convert into subsoil development permits or simply buy up entire sectors of the economy !!
    \ make good decisions at the expense of others !!!!
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 20 October 2012 11: 03
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      \ make good decisions at the expense of others !!!!


      kickbacks. kickbacks. all around rollbacks !!!

      someone from cream lyady became a little richer. The sale of the HOMELAND continues.
      and their people to put on them. they have business and families and money abroad!
  6. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx 20 October 2012 09: 27
    +8
    Debts did not have to be forgiven, if only because it was a good lever of pressure.
  7. sergant89
    sergant89 20 October 2012 09: 35
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    and not only when our person inside Russia, having lost his job, is indebted to the bank, our state will not help him, but billions of dollars cannot be written off to anyone and for what, like good morning. Russia forgave everyone and everyone, but thank you we won’t hear, time will pass and they will still bill us
    Totally agree with you yes hi
  8. nerd.su
    nerd.su 20 October 2012 09: 53
    +1
    The author is too pessimistic. First, not only we are writing off debts to most of these countries. It is generally accepted for African countries to regularly write off and help free of charge from developed countries. Kickbacks, they are kickbacks in Africa.
    And secondly ... We ourselves refused military bases around the world. Vietnam is one of the leaders in the procurement of our weapons in Southeast Asia. Submarines, corvettes and other trifles. Again, the joint oil-producing Rusvietpetro with projects both in our country and in Vietnam. On the Vietnamese shelf, even the Chinese are wiping disputed areas. True, this can go sideways :) Mongolia, as it was the 16th republic of the USSR, has remained so near abroad. Although the Chinese are gaining strength there, and the Canadians with the Australians ... the DPRK still will not give money. And the money from the pipe, power lines and the railway oh how they do not interfere. Yes, and energy at preferential prices. But debt cancellation is a fee for agreement in principle. Now trading for rent and energy tariffs. Hence the militancy. Of course, the reasons for the militancy of the DPRK are much wider, but this is one of the facets.
    So with Asia, everything is relatively good. But with Africa ... The situation with Libya, especially coupled with the concession to Norway, stinks of treason. Other countries need to be considered specifically. In general, we are widely represented in Africa, but is there any connection between our business and debt relief - the big question!
    1. Karish
      Karish 20 October 2012 11: 18
      0
      Quote: bot.su
      The author is too pessimistic. First, not only we are writing off debts to most of these countries. It is generally accepted for African countries to regularly write off and help free of charge from developed countries

      I reassured you that in Africa you need to roll back so that they would take a loan, roll back so that they would not return it and roll back so that they would forgive him later. Or maybe just not giving?
      Quote: bot.su
      We abandoned military bases around the world

      And they never were, there were single items of logistics and intelligence, but there was no base-like base.

      Quote: bot.su
      Vietnam is one of the leaders in the procurement of our weapons in Southeast Asia. Submarines, corvettes and other trifles.

      By the way they are forgiven, call me more precisely. Recipients of free military property and equipment
      Quote: bot.su
      Mongolia, as it was the 16th republic of the USSR, remained a near abroad

      not true, I do not want to save money from sources. Just believe it is not.
      Quote: bot.su
      DPRK will not give up money anyway. And the money from the pipe, power lines and the railway oh how they do not interfere. Yes, and energy at preferential prices. But debt cancellation is a fee for agreement in principle. Now trading for rent and energy tariffs. Hence the militancy.

      Another cool way to put pressure on Russia, do not give money - turn off the gas and drop a couple of poles. Can you influence the DPRK somehow? Over time, you’ll have to pay such a dummy that it doesn’t seem enough. Well, will South Korea want to be dependent on the whim of a * good * neighbor?
      Quote: bot.su
      So everything is relatively good with Asia.

      Asians are good with us, you wanted to say
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 21 October 2012 11: 40
        +1
        I reassured you that in Africa you need to roll back so that they would take a loan, roll back so that they would not return it and roll back so that they would forgive him later. Or maybe just not giving?,
        With kickbacks, everything is upside down. Don’t talk about things that you don’t understand, otherwise housewives mired in loans, on whose behalf you are speaking, will be completely confused :) They already believe that they should forgive loans, they are naive :) Giving - not giving, this Something from the girl’s convulsive thoughts before the first date. And especially before the second :)) I think loans should be provided wisely. And that our people who are doing this completely out of their minds did not survive.
        And they never were, there were single items of logistics and intelligence, but there was no base-like base.,
        Secondly, no matter what they were called, it’s important that they left everywhere themselves! Firstly, you have the German flag, and you don’t know about the group of Soviet troops in Germany. This was not a logistics point! And there were such groups throughout Eastern Europe and in Mongolia. Learn materiel :)
        Quote: Karish
        By the way they are forgiven, call me more precisely. Recipients of free military property and equipment

        http://topwar.ru/18370-vetnam-naryadu-s-indiey-stal-krupneyshim-zakazchikom-ross

        iyskoy-military-morskoy-tehniki.html
        Even if we deliver this equipment to them for free, it pays off. But here are political issues, the growth of China’s power and the need to have strong allies in the region — again, for housewives who bought a bunch of Chinese clothes from Armani on free credit cards, they don’t understand such complicated things :) Don’t confuse your audience!

        Quote: Karish
        not true, I do not want to save money from sources. Just believe it is not.

        But I just won’t believe it.
        Quote: Karish
        Another cool way to put pressure on Russia, do not give money - turn off the gas and drop a couple of poles. Can you influence the DPRK somehow? Over time, you’ll have to pay such a dummy that it doesn’t seem enough. Well, will South Korea want to be dependent on the whim of a * good * neighbor?

        You can somehow influence anyone. South Korea is interested in these projects even more than Russia. Then, all the same, this money cannot be knocked out with the DPRK. Rather, economically it will be a Pyrrhic victory. And so there will be a gas pipeline, neither South nor North Koreans will get anywhere from us!
        Quote: Karish
        Asians are good with us, you wanted to say

        I say that in Southeast Asia everything is fine with us.
        1. Karish
          Karish 21 October 2012 13: 09
          0
          Quote: bot.su
          Firstly, you have the German flag, and you don’t know about the group of Soviet troops in Germany.

          Hover over the flag and see where it comes from. With flags there is generally a complete mess. As for the GSVG - leave, the concept of a military base has clear legal definitions.
          Quote: bot.su
          Even if we deliver this equipment to them for free, it pays off.

          Even stupid to answer. How arms deliveries to Angola, Botswana, NICARAGUA, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Warsaw Pact countries, Kaba paid off, and so I can still have 15 countries offhand
          Quote: bot.su
          to have strong allies in the region - again, to housewives who bought a bunch of Chinese clothes from Armani on free credit cards as it seemed to them, these difficult things cannot be understood :) Do not confuse your audience!

          Are you talking about Turkey? Syria is a strong ally in the region and the clothes are the same from there? Have a good laugh together. I see Syria from the window on a clear day (more precisely, part of its Mount Hermon) and I know very well what is happening in the region. Explain to me (as an amateur laughing ) what did Russia get from Syria, as from an ally, except for pumping money out? Some kind of example. Pliz. A point in Tartus? Funny. For tens of billions of forgiven Syria (from the USSR to Russia) half of the islands could be bought from Greece (a joke of course) But was the game worth the candle laughing
          Quote: bot.su
          You can somehow influence anyone. South Korea is interested in these projects even more than Russia. Then, all the same, this money cannot be knocked out with the DPRK. Rather, economically it will be a Pyrrhic victory. And so there will be a gas pipeline, neither South nor North Koreans will get anywhere from us!

          Only North Korea will dictate the terms of both Russia and South., And Yu, K, as a buyer, will definitely not agree to such nonsense. In your opinion, Armenia would agree to receive gas from Russia through a pipe laid through Azerbaijan. This is so for example.
          Quote: bot.su
          I say that in Southeast Asia everything is fine with us.

          And I don’t say that it’s bad. Debts have forgiven them well and we are well laughing Russian citizens are probably worse, but who is looking at it?
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 21 October 2012 19: 18
            +1
            Pointed, but with flags a complete mess.
            Quote: Karish
            Even stupid to answer. How arms deliveries to Angola, Botswana, NICARAGUA, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Warsaw Pact countries, Kaba paid off, and so I can still have 15 countries offhand

            Yes, your answer is stupid. They did not pay off, because Gorbachev committed treason. Or just laughed, worse. As a result, we left Afghanistan, the Warsaw Pact Countries, and then quietly merged from other friendly countries. Naturally, the new arrivals, the surviving old regimes, considered themselves free from obligations. And now the cancellation of Soviet debts is a necessary measure. And tell me the legal definition of a military base? And why is this GSVG not suitable for it? :)
            Quote: Karish
            Are you talking about Turkey? Syria is a strong ally in the region and the clothes are the same from there? Have a good laugh together. I see Syria from the window on a clear day (or rather part of its Mount Hermon) and I know what is happening in the region. Explain to me (as an amateur laughing) what Russia received from Syria, as from an ally, except for pumping money out? Some kind of example. Pliz. A point in Tartus? Funny. For tens of billions of forgiven Syria (from the USSR to Russia) half of the islands could be bought from Greece (a joke of course) But was the game worth the candle

            And what about Turkey? Turkey is a member of NATO, what ally is it to us? What is the connection between what you see on a clear day part of Mount Hermon and your excellent knowledge of what is happening in the region? If you had a good idea of ​​the situation in the region, you would know how our PMTO appeared in Tartus and why no Greece will sell us or lease its island for this purpose. Syria in the Middle East, though not strong, but the only ally.

            Quote: Karish
            Only North Korea will dictate the terms of both Russia and South., And Yu, K, as a buyer, will definitely not agree to such nonsense. In your opinion, Armenia would agree to receive gas from Russia through a pipe laid through Azerbaijan. This is so for example.

            North Korea is not in a position to dictate terms. Yes, the guys are difficult, but ideological and practical. It is necessary to create conditions so that practicality does not undermine their ideological and all. But this is a separate conversation.
            Quote: Karish
            And I don’t say that it’s bad. Debts have forgiven them well and it’s good for us to laugh. Russian citizens are probably worse, but who is looking at it?

            To whom is this "us" good? Judging by the flag, you feel good everywhere :) For Russian citizens, this is another reason to blame the authorities. Few people want to understand the true state of affairs. Most are neither hot nor cold.
            1. Karish
              Karish 21 October 2012 19: 46
              0
              [quote = nerd.su] Yes, your answer is stupid. They did not pay off, because Gorbachev committed treason [/ quote]
              Well yes . and before Gorbach, they simply stood in line at Vnesheconombank. how to give back as soon as possible laughing

              [quote = nerd.su] If you had a good idea of ​​the situation in the region, you would know how our PMT appeared in Tartus and why no Greece will sell us or rent our island for this purpose. Syria in the Middle East, though not strong, but the only ally. [/ Quote]
              Who except Syria remained? So offhand a country?


              [quote = nerd.su] North Korea is in no position to dictate terms. [/ quote]
              Build a gas pipeline through it. will be in that position
              [quote = nerd.su] Yes, guys are difficult, but ideological and practical. [/ quote]
              Practical and ideological. Smiled. Are you serious about practicality?

              [quote = nerd.su] Russian citizens are another reason to reproach the authorities. Few people want to delve into the true state of affairs. [/ Quote]
              Tell us a big secret about the true state of affairs?
              In my opinion, they simply lit up like suckers, they took the money and did not return it laughing
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 21 October 2012 22: 25
                0
                So I write that Syria is our only ally. Inattentively read :)
                About the legal definition of a military base and the North-West Military Command, I see, there is nothing to say?
                Quote: Karish
                Practical and ideological. Smiled. Are you serious about practicality?

                Seriously, but you don’t understand. Because judging by your phrase

                Quote: Karish
                In my opinion, they simply lit up like suckers, they took the money and did not return it

                you are just one of those who took the money and did not return it. Sit now and look at Mount Hermon, argue that business loves silence and wait for the statute of limitations to come out :) Neither peace nor wealth :)
  9. Lesorub
    Lesorub 20 October 2012 09: 54
    0
    It remains to abandon the gold and foreign exchange reserves that lie in the United States in order to somehow write off trillions of debts ... lol
  10. Bosk
    Bosk 20 October 2012 09: 55
    +6
    Well done!, Write off everyone in a row!, And the fact that our grandmothers and grandfathers are barely pulling a pension is nothing to worry about, people who have been plowing all their lives under your strict guidance can generally live without a pension, what kind of style we have ... fill his face with a tweet, and forgive a ton of a stranger, then we are still surprised that the people are dying ... but the blacks are multiplying!
  11. Igor
    Igor 20 October 2012 10: 02
    +2
    And then they ask citizens to throw themselves in a football stadium. smile
  12. predator.2
    predator.2 20 October 2012 10: 05
    +5
    You can’t forgive debts to anyone, nobody forgives us ordinary people, especially our parasitic banks!
  13. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 20 October 2012 10: 09
    +3
    Very incomprehensible state policy. It was possible to defer payments.
  14. bask
    bask 20 October 2012 10: 11
    +3
    But who makes such ,, decisions, to Kolyma for life with FULL PROFISSION OF PROPERTY in our country and beyond the hill ...
    1. Alan
      Alan 20 October 2012 14: 39
      0
      For voting with two hands, at Kolyma, let them work out. critters
  15. Bosk
    Bosk 20 October 2012 10: 18
    -2
    A raccoon in half a liter awakens ...?, Get fucked up, the whole Rasseya would be pulled back, by adulthood in Kurchavel ........
  16. iulai
    iulai 20 October 2012 10: 29
    +2
    it would be better to write off the mortgage for housing for young families! power is the enemy of its people!
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 20 October 2012 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: iulai
      power is the enemy of its people!


      and this has long been understood. judging by her actions!
  17. Rockets
    Rockets 20 October 2012 10: 32
    +4
    As usual, the topic is not disclosed, superficial possession of the issue! Noob author and provocateur
    Lyolik, everything is gone, what to do, Lyolik ???
    And the fact that state-owned companies such as Gazprom, LUKOIL, Russian Railways, Power Machines and other Russian companies. trying to gain a foothold there, the author does not understand and does not know! All that remains is to yell hysterically- LELIK, everything is gone, what to do, LOLIK ???
    Since the days of the USSR, Russia has lost Africa, but a holy place does not happen empty. There, already the Chinese, they bought up half of Africa, entire cities, plants are being built. We, Africa have already forgotten! WHO WILL LET YOU WITH A Naked ASS IN AFRICA ?! But the author DOESN'T KNOW! - LELIK, everything is gone, what to do, LOLIK ???
    In order not to let the Chinese into Libya, they changed the regime! And the author is not in the subject and LELIKI too
    1. Volodin
      20 October 2012 11: 57
      0
      The author is, of course, a provocateur who does not disclose the topic of how, without the knowledge of the author and millions of the same "provocateurs" as the author, they simply give money from Russian taxpayers to someone (and yours, including if you are these taxes, of course , pay in general ...) Tell all of us ("Leliks") where are these Gazprom projects, for example, in Mongolia ... And if they are a sinful thing and
      is, then whether it was necessary for their introduction it was necessary to write off debts ... Borrow a million to your neighbor, and forgive me ... - after that, Mr. "superficial possession", you will tell how good it is to give everyone your financial resources. With someone else's hands, everything is Robin Hoods, but how to transfer 100 rubles to the fund of an orphanage, so everything is in the bushes, isn't it ...
    2. Goldmitro
      Goldmitro 20 October 2012 12: 16
      +3
      It is not clear what does Gazprom, LUKOIL, Russian Railways, Power Machines and other companies have to do with it? The debt belongs to the whole country, to the people, and not to these companies, even if with state participation. What kind of business is this for our "poor" companies - to pay for its promotion with people's money, and without asking the people? And what in gratitude for such generosity did the people receive from these companies: a reduction in gas tariffs, fuel tariffs, railway tickets? No matter how it is! On the contrary, it seems that these companies are therefore inflating prices in Russia in order to compensate for the written off debts, thus shifting them onto our people! And then what concrete successes have these companies achieved as a result of the unprecedented debt write-off in these countries? I would like to know! And what will this "backfire" on the common people - again with a rise in prices?
      1. Rockets
        Rockets 20 October 2012 18: 06
        +2
        Quote: Goldmitro
        It is not clear what does Gazprom, LUKOIL, Russian Railways, Power Machines and other companies have to do with it? The debt belongs to the whole country, to the people,

        Elementary
        Moreover, these enterprises are state-owned and they are the main budget-forming, taxpayers of the country. If they have an ass there will be no pensions, scholarships or other benefits ...

        No one, you for free, will not allow access to resources, to the defense budgets of SOVEREIGN countries. For all this, there are conditions of SOVEREIGN countries in which you want to work.
  18. nerd.su
    nerd.su 20 October 2012 10: 33
    +8
    Yes, I see, a sore point for the people is debt forgiveness! :)) Without sparing my rating, I’ll say (captain, you will never become a major :)) - you are to blame! Don’t take loans and mortgages! For you take it from the bank, not from the state. At private individuals. And private property is sacred! Of course you will not be forgiven! Because there are ways to get you to give, without going broke on weaning. And how do you get North Korea to repay the debt? What is the size of our army and the army of the DPRK? Or what, having bought an apartment on a mortgage, are you ready to stand in the event of mobilization in order to force repay the debt by force of arms? And can you calculate how much a debt repayment will cost us our economic benefit? Perhaps the occupation of the DPRK will bring us a golden rain of dividends?
    Be realistic, friends. If you took a fifty dollars to a neighbor alcoholic, be prepared to forgive him. Well, in the case of an alcoholic, you can quietly give in the face and take away your funds. But if he speaks against you, and even with witnesses, then you will be punished. And fifty kopecks will not justify the forces and means invested in scuffle! But Russia can’t coax a country on the quiet continent. Those. unequivocally punished and the funds will be lost and the data in debt and spent on return. You also have to pay so that it does not stink.
    In general, money should be given wisely! And to be able to benefit from the write-off of funds that our fathers lent, and even the non-funky post-perestroika older brothers ... But it is not good to envy!
    1. Karish
      Karish 20 October 2012 11: 21
      0
      Quote: bot.su
      If you took a fifty dollars to a neighbor alcoholic, be prepared to forgive him.

      So I'm talking about, maybe it's better not to give? And then all these countries are not even neighbors, but with the neighbors, as it’s getting worse - nobody and nothing, or at a price 2 times more than others. The neighbors like it.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 20 October 2012 12: 38
        +1
        You can not give. But why do they give the United States, France, and almost the entire EU, except for any of Rymyany and the Baltic states? China gives, Japan? Do you think they give everything to them? No! After all, most of these debts are related loans. It is just necessary to learn to take advantage of this, no less than that of China!
        And the people in the mass represent this matter at the level of just the neighbor to whom he unfastened his cash. Well, he unfastened it on a bottle himself. But if he unfastened the attendants for an exclusive moonshine, which requires replaceable filters, he himself sold this device for that money, and then you sell him yeast and exclusive filters :) then this is a completely different matter. The neighbor is getting a little yeast and will buy for his own cash, addiction, etit! Yes, the neighbor also indicated a different amount on the receipt, they took less taxes from you! :) This is a normal connected loan!
  19. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 October 2012 10: 43
    +5
    I remembered the story again, when our leaders were forgiving the debt to Afghanistan, they were tearing the debt from the Bulbash dad with blood from their throats. Karzai forgave 12 lard, and from the Old Man demanded 200 thousand
    1. Karish
      Karish 20 October 2012 11: 23
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      I remembered the story again, when our leaders were forgiving the debt to Afghanistan, they were tearing the debt from the Bulbash dad with blood from their throats. Karzai forgave 12 lard, and from the Old Man demanded 200 thousand

      capacitor positive (+) lead
  20. Karish
    Karish 20 October 2012 11: 03
    0
    If we consider only the educational sphere, today about 4 thousand students from different countries of Africa are studying at Russian higher educational institutions on a free basis, that is, with 100% funding from the Russian budget.

    Fantastic
    The representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Mr. Sergeyev, said that it is not necessary to consider the debts written off as gifts from Africa. In fact, it is a kind of exchange of debt write-offs for development programs, in which Russian representatives, including representatives of private business, can also take part.

    Under this, they will receive loans in Russia, Russia will build them, and then write off debts, everything is already in order at home -
    The lack of funding for the overhaul of apartment buildings in Russia is 3,5 trillion rubles, the Russian media are citing the words of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak. This is a risky housing stock - if we do not take urgent measures, it will collapse and in the near future will become emergency. And the people who live in it will lose their property, "he said.
    counting is equal 75 billion dollars. The largest amounts of debt were written off to states such as the DPRK (about $ 10 billion), Mongolia ($ 11,1 billion), Afghanistan (about $ 11 billion), Vietnam ($ 10 billion), Syria ($ 10 billion). ), Iraq ($ 8 billion). As you can see, the Asian continent was quite actively sponsored by the domestic budget. Africa got less, but the latest news suggests that this continent is still ahead ...

    How many houses for senior citizens, young families could be built, how many hospitals and schools.
    No less questions and to write off debts for other countries. After writing off the debt to the DPRK, Pyongyang was invited to participate in a joint project to lay the Trans-Korean railway to the ports of South Korea, as well as to lay power lines from Russia to South Korea through the territory of the DPRK. However, no business projects are out of the question so far.
    ...
    Bred as suckers. Korea sells arms to both Iran and Syria, and the latter pays for them, while Russia wrote off 10 billion to it (since Syria doesn’t have any money to pay, as you can see, they don’t have only Russia to return) and now it has gained another 4.5 billion and again in debt. Well, and Korea is just an example of a breeder.
  21. gans
    gans 20 October 2012 11: 10
    +7
    blacks debts were written off, and they counted a penalty for me - it means the Negroes are Russians and I then who, then the Negroes can breed like rabbits, and if a poor mother with many children stutters that she does not have enough money, the good government will tell her, and that you breed like a rabbit, myself I heard it say some kind of greasy mug that did not fit into the TV screen
  22. markevo
    markevo 20 October 2012 11: 14
    0
    great article!
  23. markevo
    markevo 20 October 2012 11: 15
    -1
    great article!
  24. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 20 October 2012 11: 19
    +1
    It is stupid to write off money in the future while the country needs it, on the other hand, Africa will never really be able to pay this debt, and we need to do something about it.
    1. Region65
      Region65 20 October 2012 15: 02
      +1
      you can take diamond mines for debts :) remember the old days and steal the floor of Africa into slavery and so on :)
  25. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 20 October 2012 11: 59
    +2
    Smart states do not write off debts ... They do not press and do not write off ... This is a great lever of influence in the future ... Personally, I am against such write-offs ... And yet, debts are written off by the state, and business and investments in supposedly future projects on their territories will belong to specific individuals .... I think that over time, the government that has written off these debts will have to report for it, and in the absence of firm argumentation, RESPONSE according to the LAW ...
    1. Region65
      Region65 20 October 2012 15: 01
      +1
      that's it ... it would be better for these debts to place our military bases there :) well, or resorts, for fans of Safari :)
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 October 2012 12: 10
    0
    It seems that we are starting from scratch. That is, they wrote off debts, spat on their obligations and forgot. One hell we are not so strong (arrogant) that would demand our money. Europe will not understand.
  27. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 20 October 2012 12: 43
    0
    The author is well done !!!
    Great article. Weighted, reasonable and factual.
    It is good that Alexey does not impose his opinion on this.
    In general, at 5 with a plus.
    And to questions about "generous gifts" it would be nice to hear answers from officials.
  28. pesec
    pesec 20 October 2012 13: 00
    +1
    It is high time to understand that the power in the country has passed into the hands of the comprador bourgeoisie. She acts in her own interests and in the interests of foreign owners. The task of the authorities is to pump natural resources out of Russia, distilling them mainly to the west. The money received from these operations is transferred to foreign banks to finance the US and Western European economies. Confirmation of this opinion is the new budget for 2013 - money in Uncle Sam's box, and his people have been tasked with saving, cutting costs, again "shrinking". So, the facts presented in the article fit well into the concept of anti-patriotic policy of the highest power in Russia.
  29. sxn278619
    sxn278619 20 October 2012 13: 22
    0
    It's not about generous gifts. All the same, the majority will not be returned.
    So why again step on the same rake?
    Lending recently - Cyprus, Venezuela, Belarus, etc.
    This is despite the fact that the pension fund with a hole of 1,5 tr. rub. in year.
  30. evgenii67
    evgenii67 20 October 2012 13: 59
    0
    Oh, how I don't like all this, because if I understand that African debtor countries are not able to repay the debt, then the government even moreover knows about it ..... the question: why give them money ???? such an impression, that there is an all-Russian money for ... b, somewhere "our" government writes off money, or allocates money for the purchase of foreign weapons, and even the land of our Motherland is given (the island to China), and somewhere ... well, in general, they already wrote about medicine, about housing, etc.
  31. in reserve
    in reserve 20 October 2012 14: 10
    +1
    It was possible to redeem all the state debtors with giblets, here you have bases abroad and much more. But again, no money down the drain.
  32. spok
    spok 20 October 2012 14: 35
    -3
    PEOPLE NEED TO PREPARE!
    Become cancer, because 20 billion must be returned to the treasury.
    Well, the people did not live well in Russia, and they will not be with such power.
  33. Region65
    Region65 20 October 2012 14: 59
    +1
    Since 2008, Russia has written off $ 20 billion of debt (the amount in US dollars) to African states. ... firstly, not Russia, but the Kremlin, and secondly, this suggests that the population of Russia for its government is already even lower than the Negretos.
  34. HUMANOID
    HUMANOID 20 October 2012 15: 58
    +2
    They do the right thing, merge unsecured American pieces of paper; otherwise, when the dollar collapses, we don’t have anything at all. hi
  35. SolDaT RF
    SolDaT RF 20 October 2012 16: 08
    +2
    For reference, I would like to recall that Russia writes off those debts that it will never receive.
  36. christophoros
    christophoros 20 October 2012 16: 20
    +2
    I don’t think that everything is as bad as the author says. Greece is an example of this, debts were also written off to us, so what about this? nothing changed! Due to the debts written off, we signed up for a lot and lost a lot. So d ** ak, not the one who writes off, but the one who takes and cannot give !!!
  37. bddrus
    bddrus 20 October 2012 16: 27
    +2
    "Banduputinapodsud" - not tired of hysteria? and how did the USSR feed half the world to promote half the world? and where are all these debtors? and in the NATO bloc are now social brothers! And unpromising debts are probably easier to write off, I don't know what "leverage" they are talking about here - not every country, like Russia after the USSR, will subscribe to the debts of the previous government, and in African republics there is a tradition of coups.
  38. marinist
    marinist 20 October 2012 17: 47
    +1
    Is it not a crime to feed other nations at the expense of his own?
  39. Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 20 October 2012 19: 08
    0
    Suckers we suckers ..)) why write off debts .. ??)) and someone wrote off us ??)) nobody ..))) Putin ... - excuse me - a political prostitute ..)) that's all. ..
    1. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 21 October 2012 02: 19
      -1
      Are you a political hysterical
  40. Warik
    Warik 20 October 2012 19: 10
    0
    The author missed a crucial moment regarding Iraq, because it was Russia (Lukoil) that got the development of the largest oil field West Qurna-2 in the territory of this country. And Vietnam. Russia will be building nuclear power plants there, plus Gazprom is developing their shelf (by the way, as it were, disputed territories). And finally, in Africa, Nornickel is doing his job well. Conclusion: awareness is so-so.
  41. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 20 October 2012 19: 27
    -1
    Beneficial not to Russia, but to specific people.
  42. suharev-52
    suharev-52 20 October 2012 20: 51
    +1
    For that, there are debts to negotiate on them. If a debt is written off without any legal obligations, this already falls under an economic violation, if not a crime. Debt relief, shows that the entire foreign policy system is working poorly. The entire economic bloc of the government is not working efficiently and this signifies its non-professionalism. I consider all arguments about gaining benefits in some distant future to be a hoax to the people of Russia. Please do not forget that all of the so-called state structures listed above are half, and some more, belong to private individuals, sometimes to foreigners. All these state monopolies squeeze all the juices from Russian citizens and compensate for their losses abroad. So we can conclude that the leadership of the country has gathered gentlemen who are not interested in a strong, prosperous Russia. Sincerely.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 20 October 2012 22: 02
      +1
      I agree with you, dear suharev-52. But what a misfortune, no matter how we are milked, how much we are not charged with tariffs, how many debts to Asians and Africans are not forgiven and new loans are given, which they are unlikely to repay, no matter how much money in Amer’s papers are kept at a symbolic percentage, we nothing at all. Because in the next election we will go and vote for Him, for the Savior, for the Lift-up from his knees, because there is no alternative to Him. There is no better manager and commander in chief than He in the country. Ah, African debts! But who then remembers such a trifle.
  43. I-16M
    I-16M 20 October 2012 21: 45
    0
    Generous, not out of pocket Papuans occupy. What is it like to hear half-wilted people about such gifts. Let now generous gentlemen - comrades invest their money in the budget, compensate the state for damage.
  44. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 20 October 2012 23: 04
    +1
    It would be nice to write off debts with such enthusiasm, for example, to pay utility bills or electricity to low-income fellow citizens ...
    Certainly not!

    Poor fellow citizens bailiffs and collectors ruthlessly pressed in full.
    Isn't it "caring" about your people? Bravo, gentlemen ...
  45. wax
    wax 21 October 2012 03: 07
    +2
    For a productive conversation, there is not enough information, but how are the debts calculated.
    Exchange rates (1 bucks = 60 kopecks):
    http://cbr.ru/currency_base/GosBankCurs.aspx?C_month=12&C_year=2010&x=35&y=10&mo

    de = 1
    And how was interest calculated.
    Well, it’s not bad to indicate, but for what, in fact, debts.
  46. Magadan
    Magadan 21 October 2012 07: 21
    +1
    If you wrote off your debts and didn’t receive them in return: A) a market for your goods b) access to deposits c) geopolitical support, for example, in Syria and Abkhazia with South Ossetia, but at the same time, banks are pressing our citizens for several thousand rubles, it’s just : it means that the government receives kickbacks from foreign states for writing off debts. The top guys cannot understand at all that the people’s credit of trust in promises has long been exhausted. 22 years have already passed almost from the moment of the onset of the market - democracy - liberalism. The people are patient, but the people are already demanding tangible results and reporting on actions. No need to make mistakes. An orange threat is over the country, and bureaucrats are doing everything to make the country flare up from bitterness.
  47. stroporez
    stroporez 21 October 2012 09: 42
    0
    this money is human. that is, taken from the people. why the leaders-condoms decide who to forgive the debt without asking people. there are some hospitals, schools look as if the war ended last year and they ............. damn half of the country he lives in hunger and here .............. I think very soon there will be people who quite seriously shout "to storm!" and many will follow them ...
  48. adolph1
    adolph1 21 October 2012 16: 56
    0
    Russia is a generous soul!
  49. georg737577
    georg737577 21 October 2012 22: 28
    0
    I remembered Tokarev's song - "Why is a stingy life needed, because tomorrow there may be a war ...."
  50. stroporez
    stroporez 21 October 2012 22: 33
    0
    friends and opponents, explain to me, individuals with a cerebral dislocation, how can this be, your teachers, doctors, and other social ones are almost starving, but in Africa, in this case, for example, an attraction of unprecedented generosity ??? ???????? is this for such power ?????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????
    ????????????? certainly not popular ....................... to storm !!!!!!!! !!!!!