British magazine: In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of the Ukrainian General Staff to learn from Ukrainian commanders

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Western journalists, retired military men, politicians and experts of all stripes compete to analyze the situation in Ukraine, make predictions and even advise Zelensky on how to conduct a military campaign. The British The Economist did not stand aside either, publishing a program article in which it urges the Ukrainian leadership not to rush to attack Kherson at least until the end of this year.

The material begins with a bravura fake statement, standard for the Western press, in which, no less, the following is stated:



In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of Ukraine's General Staff to learn from the commanders who stopped the Russian army's advance on Kyiv and Odessa.

Despite such "successes", according to the British, Kyiv should now abandon the "liberation" of Kherson and the return of other territories. The thing is, journalists believe, that "Russia has transferred troops to Kherson and dug in." Therefore, it is better for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to choose the tactics of a long-term siege and abandon the “blitzkrieg in the steppe”.

President Zelensky is enthusiastic and ready to launch an offensive soon to show his citizens and Western allies that Ukraine has the necessary power to defeat the Russian army. In addition, it is important for him "to disrupt the fictitious referendum by which Russia plans to justify the annexation of Kherson." The British suggest that the Ukrainian president wait until next year with a counterattack, citing the fact that now both armies are too exhausted.

According to the British, next year the Ukrainian army will be replenished with thousands of military personnel who are now being trained in the UK. And the supply of weapons, primarily from the United States, will significantly strengthen the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Economist urges the West to "be patient" and be prepared for a long "war of attrition." At the same time, the authors of the article are forced to admit that Western leaders “may be nervous about maintaining public support for Ukraine, as heating bills rise during the winter months.”

The material ends on the same bravura note as it begins. The authors are “impressed” by the strikes “that Ukraine has carried out in Crimea this month, far beyond the reach of its famous weapons, clearly showing that she is still more cunning than her opponent and retains the initiative. What is the cunning of the Ukrainian military, inflicting rare strikes mainly on peaceful targets behind enemy lines, and why this is considered some kind of initiative, the British authors do not specify.

However, they are confident that "the methodical destruction of Russian military power will eventually pave the way for the territorial gains that Ukraine craves."

After reading this material, a reasonable question arises. If now, at the end of summer, the Western inhabitants, and then more and more politicians, are waiting with horror for the coming winter, then how will the “entrenched” Ukrainian army live in a few months? Indeed, thanks to Zelensky, Ukraine, in fact, has become a bankrupt state, living off Western handouts and unable not only to pay its debts, but also to provide for the minimum needs of its citizens. And the vaunted Western aid is increasingly coming to naught.
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  1. +7
    19 August 2022 11: 05
    Learn what? wassat
    1. -38
      19 August 2022 11: 08
      6 months ago, the second army of the world entered Ukraine and now there are still battles for the suburbs of Donetsk.
      1. -5
        19 August 2022 11: 10
        because they were not touched, they are now taken and will soon be knocked out
        1. 0
          19 August 2022 11: 56
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          they were not touched, now they have taken and will soon be knocked out

          Weird. For the 6th month, dill is hammered in the central regions of Donetsk, all in "petals", but they were not touched feel
          1. -9
            19 August 2022 12: 02
            there were other directions, at the same time there were not enough forces, and they would shoot for a long time until they were driven away beyond the Dnieper
          2. -6
            19 August 2022 12: 16
            It's strange that you think like a schoolboy!
            1. +3
              19 August 2022 12: 29
              Well, what do you want from people who are connected with military affairs only by registering on the Military Review website ...
      2. +11
        19 August 2022 11: 18
        Are there fights only for the suburbs of Donetsk?
        1. -25
          19 August 2022 11: 40
          Quote: gurzuf
          Are there fights only for the suburbs of Donetsk?

          For the Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv regions, the battles are no longer going on.
          1. -2
            19 August 2022 12: 02
            left them for dessert
          2. +1
            19 August 2022 13: 14
            Not "already", but "for now" ...
          3. +2
            19 August 2022 14: 06
            As well as the Luhansk, Kherson regions, and in part of the territory of the Zaporozhye region.
      3. +2
        19 August 2022 11: 20
        Quote: Hoarfrost
        6 months ago, the second army of the world entered Ukraine and now there are still battles for the suburbs of Donetsk.

        Keep in mind:
        "An army of donkeys led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a donkey"
        1. 0
          19 August 2022 11: 37
          Is it possible to clarify where the lion commands the army of donkeys?
          1. +4
            19 August 2022 13: 19
            Easy and hassle free...

            Already nowhere. A year ago, in Afghanistan. Alas, it didn't help...

            It turned out that the donkeys, under the command of a lion, are opposed by an army of lions without a commander at all. And she won...
      4. -15
        19 August 2022 11: 36
        Yes, the blitzkrieg obviously did not work out.
        1. +10
          19 August 2022 13: 13
          You didn’t confuse anything “in time and space”? ..

          All "blitzkriegs" are, it seems, precisely from the "European", not Russian "repertoire". As well as their permanent "bummers", by the way ...

          Its territory, the size of one and a half "Europe", is not returned by "blitzkriegs" ...

          So, you are there - the "planners" of other people's "blitzkriegs" will have to endure a little. Excuse me...
          1. +2
            20 August 2022 22: 11
            So it was they who wanted there to be a "blitz krieg", but in a simple trap to provoke, launch further and arrange a mass slaughter, and under the pressure, you can call the owners. But it didn’t work out, these actions were portrayed to them, though there were no casualties, but part of the necessary was done, now they could also go on the offensive with a large number of victims, but no, they are gradually grinding everything. Yes, I would like to be more active, so that peaceful people could finally live in peace, but not everything is so simple. Yes, and someone needed all this (shelling of those who disagreed) and they didn’t give a damn about people.
        2. +1
          19 August 2022 16: 32
          Yes, the blitzkrieg obviously did not work out.

          And he was planned or planned.? Do you not know the number of troops sent?
      5. +11
        19 August 2022 11: 37
        Kherson with the region, Berdyansk, Melitopol and in general most of the Zaporozhye region, Mariupol, Lysichansk, Severodonetsk, a third of the Kharkov region do not count?
        1. +5
          19 August 2022 13: 07
          The fact is that the public, propagandistically powerless, arguing on the forums about the mythical "powerlessness" of the second army of the world, has "selective" sclerosis ...

          Let's say about the TOTAL DEFEAT of the "strongest" NATO "military" relic in the world in Afghanistan, after 10 years of "victories" in it, for some reason they do not remember ...

          The only thing that turned out to be, REALLY, "capable" is the habitual STEAL of Afghan national assets. Depriving the winners, the Taliban, of the opportunity to solve the issue of food security for the country's population. Those. A PURE "civilian" and humanitarian issue ...

          Thus, having "avenged" the barefoot Taliban for his shame and flight ...
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 11: 37
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            Let's say about the TOTAL DEFEAT of the "strongest" NATO "military" relic in the world in Afghanistan, after 10 years of "victories" in it, for some reason they do not remember ...

            You sho! In their opinion, this is completely different and there was no paralysis of mattress covers, and they voluntarily and proudly, losing slippers on the run, left Afghanistan wassat
          2. 0
            21 August 2022 10: 05
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            Let's say about the TOTAL DEFEAT of the "strongest" NATO "military" relic in the world in Afghanistan, after 10 years of "victories" in it, for some reason they do not remember ...

            Small correction. Not 10 years, but more than 20 years)
      6. +16
        19 August 2022 12: 28
        Only 6 months have passed, and a small Russian grouping of heterogeneous forces, with a total strength of 110-120 thousand people (and not at all the "second army" of the world), fighting against the "masters" of this world and their sixes, ALREADY irreversibly controls a quarter of the territory of the former unified Ukraine. That is, IRREVERSIBLE (you write it down ...) threw out both the first and second from this territory ...

        And it acts EXCLUSIVELY according to ITS PLAN and PRIORITIES, which the decisions and actions of the "first" army of the world and its sixes turned out to be powerless, not only to "destroy", but, even, significantly, to stop ...

        Despite the TRADITIONAL, massive, NON-SELECTIVE, use by the "first" army of the world and its sixes, firepower against the civilian population and civilian infrastructure of the territories NEVERBACK liberated by the Russian and allied groupings ...

        Here, something like this ... By the way, another 6 months will pass. And I believe that YOU, as usual, will cry that the second army of the world controls "only" Nikolaev, Kharkov and Odessa ...
      7. -13
        19 August 2022 14: 01
        Yes, ours in Ukraine have managed specifically for the whole world during these 6 months, one loss of the cruiser Moscow and "Gestures of Good Will" are worth something in this regard.
        1. -12
          20 August 2022 02: 51
          Eco minus you. They don't like the truth, oh they don't like it!
        2. +4
          20 August 2022 11: 40
          And how did the first economies of the world manage ... it’s better to keep silent about it, otherwise the topic is smelly ... wassat
      8. +10
        19 August 2022 15: 22
        second army of the world

        the army just didn’t enter, a limited contingent entered much less than the Ukrainian army
        1. -7
          19 August 2022 16: 34
          It was introduced as limited and left limited after 6 months, you can see on the principle of fighting with this and take Ukraine somehow.
          1. +3
            20 August 2022 11: 44
            Quote: Vadim237
            It was introduced as limited and left limited after 6 months, you can see on the principle of fighting with this and take Ukraine somehow.

            Are you not there yet? The recruitment of those wishing to help the army has long been open ...
      9. +2
        20 August 2022 22: 02
        Frost, you are a jerk. For 6 months of the military operation, more than 20% of the territory of BU (former Ukraine) was liberated. The largest and most combat-ready NATO army is concentrated in the Donbass. And we Russians are slowly destroying this army.
      10. -2
        22 August 2022 10: 40
        Your best army in gay europe sucks for a full six months and seems to love it.
    2. +2
      19 August 2022 11: 11
      Quote: Ural_engineer
      Learn what?

      Military affairs in the Ukrainian way ...
      1. ada
        0
        19 August 2022 20: 32
        Quote: Canecat
        Quote: Ural_engineer
        Learn what?

        Military affairs in the Ukrainian way ...

        The Ukrainian case in a military way ...., in my opinion, is more expected. wassat
    3. +13
      19 August 2022 11: 15
      How what? One epic with "petals" against the civilian population is worth something. And how "competently" to hide behind their civilian population?
      1. +7
        19 August 2022 11: 41
        the kid from the IDF taught to hide behind the civilian population, do not confuse, the British taught to scatter mines
    4. +13
      19 August 2022 11: 21
      How to what?! How can a talker go out with a serious view of the public in such ammunition. bully
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 18: 51
        Combat pi.. gay. And some trances are also in trend. This is a trendy.
    5. +7
      19 August 2022 11: 28
      And the British magazine does not specify where this “Ukrainian General Staff” will be located in the coming years? In Canada? ... or in Poland?) as the office of the "president of the world")))
      1. -1
        19 August 2022 11: 36
        In my opinion, it’s clear that he has been in London for the 6th month, and will continue to be there.
    6. +12
      19 August 2022 11: 57
      Quote: Ural_engineer
      Learn what? wassat

      How to resist the "orcs" from Russia. Like it or not, but the resistance of the ukroreich is significant. Numerous reports from the front line say that the Vushniks defend their positions to the last opportunity. And they surrender when their commanders abandoned them, and when they were left without supplies and without specific tasks. And if thousands of trained and motivated fighters really come to the rescue, it is hard to imagine how we will take Kharkov or Odessa. Even now it seems difficult. To change tactics on our part is a big loss. To increase the grouping of our forces means to mobilize and withdraw combat units from other dangerous directions. So not everything is so clear.
      And the fact that the author wonders how the people of Ukraine will live this winter is empty. Those who are at war with Russia (the Kyiv gang + the West) are the least concerned about this issue. They "love" their citizens in such a way that citizens turn into enemies instantly for any reason.
    7. 0
      19 August 2022 15: 07
      Learn what, to whom and from whom? Given that the Sumerians are taught by Western teachers.
    8. +1
      19 August 2022 20: 49
      Self-digging and losing ... losing 50-70% of the personnel of a number of units. Something that NATO armies need to adopt as a forward tactic.
    9. Maz
      +2
      21 August 2022 10: 34
      Ukrainian ghouls sit on the defensive in the strongholds that were created for eight years, in a residential area, cover themselves with civilians, mine everything that is possible with prohibited methods and means, use chemical weapons, banned phosphorus and ball munitions, hit civilian objects and nuclear power plants, use terror on the liberated territories, nightmare power grids, water supply, gas transfer, kill the civil administration, have the full support of the United States and NATO in the field of satellite intelligence, use the latest Western models of intelligence, communications, surveillance, high-precision systems, mercenaries, weapons ... this is an incomplete list of "achievements" of the ukrovermacht, by itself, it is worthless - so is a gang of dollar banderlogs. Despite the fact that the "warriors of the light of the Ukrainian Reich" are opposed to the advancing grouping of the RF Armed Forces, the DLNR - which is three times smaller in terms of the number of personnel !!! Upcoming!!!! What the hell are the successes? What do they have to learn? How to steal and sell? How to ruin your own soldiers? Population? Oh those British scientists...
  2. -4
    19 August 2022 11: 05
    In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of Ukraine's General Staff to learn from the commanders who stopped the Russian army's advance on Kyiv and Odessa.

    And what? Will the General Staff of Ukraine still exist next year?
    Will they learn through the call of the spirit? On a plate?
    1. +4
      19 August 2022 11: 26
      It looks like some of the bullshit that Ze is spreading has settled in Albion ... lol
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 12: 19
        And in large numbers, Pasha. There people believe in the Zeli sect
    2. -10
      19 August 2022 11: 37
      I will not be surprised that they will continue to storm the suburbs of Donetsk. A shame!
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 11: 52
        and what should not be stormed ???
      2. 0
        19 August 2022 12: 21
        Who are you disgracing? People who clean their land from Bandera utyrks with their blood? By the way, he no longer considers the inhabitants of these regions to be Ukrainians.
    3. +1
      19 August 2022 13: 23
      Quote: Egoza
      Will the General Staff of Ukraine still exist next year?


      Something will probably still remain. The ghost of Ukraine wanders around Europe, and until he tramples on it, he is like the Loch Ness monster - cute and you can take a picture with him.
  3. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 06
    Therefore, it is better for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to choose the tactics of a long-term siege and abandon the “blitzkrieg in the steppe”.

    Ahaha. It reminded me of Burnash's phrase from "The Elusive Avengers" - "It was in the steppes of the Kherson region!"
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  4. -2
    19 August 2022 11: 07
    will line up at the door of the Ukrainian General Staff to learn from the commanders who stopped the advance of the Russian army on Kyiv and Odessa.

    But who is against it ... at first the West taught Ukraine to advance behind enemy lines across a couple of continents, now Ukraine will teach the West how to do it without stumbling ...
    How right you are, Sergey Viktorovich ....
  5. +8
    19 August 2022 11: 07
    Learn to retreat? Hide behind the peacekeeper? Destroy your people?
  6. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 07
    A new old duck will appear, the Russian army won thanks to General Frost.
  7. +6
    19 August 2022 11: 08
    In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of the General Staff of Ukraine

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    - In queue!... ... ...



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  8. +2
    19 August 2022 11: 09
    British magazine: In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of the Ukrainian General Staff to learn from Ukrainian commanders
    British journalist and that says it all.
  9. -2
    19 August 2022 11: 09
    The doors will be taken out. Where will they stand?
  10. +2
    19 August 2022 11: 11
    President Zelensky is enthusiastic and ready to launch an offensive soon

    Well, yes - straight, bursting everything, flattening and sausage. wassat
    will pave the way for the territorial gains that Ukraine craves

    Thanks, laughed! laughing
  11. +3
    19 August 2022 11: 13
    The Economist,
    And these are there. A new campaign of praising the "victories" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has begun?
    In the coming years, NATO military forces will line up at the door of the Ukrainian General Staff to learn
    Is it really so bad for those who have been teaching the military service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for more than 8 years? So what and how were they taught if they "lined up" to gain knowledge of the tactics of warfare? Complete insanity.
  12. +3
    19 August 2022 11: 13
    And again, fun in the comments. But the residents of Donetsk and the border settlements of the Russian Federation are not funny. And it's been like that for six months. Meanwhile, the situation for the Russian Federation is deteriorating.
    1. +4
      19 August 2022 11: 21
      Meanwhile, the situation for the Russian Federation is deteriorating.
      Is that in ukrosmi and their sponsors. Of course, Russia's successes are not as fast as we would like, but they are real.
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    2. 0
      19 August 2022 11: 53
      how is the situation getting worse?
  13. 0
    19 August 2022 11: 18
    The regular army of Iraq by the beginning of March 2003 consisted of 375 soldiers and about 000 reservists[650]. 000 divisions and 20 army corps. About 24 armored vehicles, 7 anti-aircraft guns, 5000 aircraft and 500 helicopters. It is quite comparable with the APU as of February.

    On March 20, 2003, the US and its allies invaded Iraq. On April 9, Baghdad was taken. On May 1, the end of the operation was announced.

    The losses of the coalition forces amounted to 156 soldiers killed (125 US troops and 31 British troops), 5 aircraft and 8 helicopters were lost.
    1. +3
      19 August 2022 11: 22
      Mosul how much did they take?
      1. +3
        19 August 2022 11: 51
        See who and when. ISIS took him for six days, from 4 to 10 June.
        Iraqis eight months.
        1. 0
          20 August 2022 11: 49
          Quote: Lex_is
          See who and when. ISIS took him for six days, from 4 to 10 June.
          Iraqis eight months.

          Iraqis? And don’t you think that the mattresses ironed the city?
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 12: 00
            They not only ironed, both instructors and advisers at headquarters worked there. Almost like ukrov now.
            But the Iraqis took it, for the simple reason that the structures were Iraqi and not US Army brigades.

            How is it now with ukrov
            1. 0
              20 August 2022 13: 02
              It cannot be said that only the Iraqis took it. For the states led, the states supported aviation ...
              1. -2
                20 August 2022 13: 07
                Yah? And, in exactly the same conditions, can we say that Russia is at war with NATO, and is not conducting a special operation in Ukraine?
                1. 0
                  20 August 2022 14: 49
                  NATO air force is fighting in Ukraine? How many aircraft did NATO lose in combat?
                  1. -1
                    20 August 2022 15: 56
                    Fight, boy, fight. Provides reconnaissance and target designation
                    1. 0
                      20 August 2022 17: 37
                      It’s still necessary to see who the boy is here ... because if you don’t see the difference between bombing and long-range reconnaissance, then ... request
    2. -2
      19 August 2022 11: 55
      compared crap with radish, different situations. nothing alike
      1. +1
        19 August 2022 12: 00
        Quite right, in one case it is shown what a modern army, armed with modern weapons, should do with the army of a country of the 3rd world, in what time frame and with what losses.
        1. -5
          19 August 2022 12: 04
          Ukraine would also have lost a long time ago if not for deliveries, then Russia did not supply Iskanders and calibers to Iraq
          1. -3
            19 August 2022 16: 38
            Unfortunately, Ukraine would not have lost, since it has been preparing for such a conflict for 8 years, and we must admit the fact that 90 percent of what Ukraine got from the army of the Ukrainian SSR, they kept it by the way about how much equipment we destroyed there, but it does not become less like planes with helicopters .
    3. +5
      19 August 2022 12: 08
      Quote from Heaven
      The regular army of Iraq by the beginning of March 2003 consisted of 375 soldiers and about 000 reservists[650]. 000 divisions and 20 army corps. About 24 armored vehicles, 7 anti-aircraft guns, 5000 aircraft and 500 helicopters. It is quite comparable with the APU as of February.

      If there were not Arabs in Iraq, but residents of Ukraine, the Americans would still be messing around.
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      The main thing. Here, by the way, is the essence of what is happening.
      If the inhabitants of Ukraine are sure .. feel .. convinced that they are fighting for a just cause .. convinced that the truth is on their side - then these are the best soldiers in the Empire. So spoke the personal adjutant of Emperor Nicholas II. And he is completely right.
      And if they feel .. they understand .. that they are protecting wrong a business. That's when they become useless soldiers.. lay down their arms.. sabotage.
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      Alas .. the situation is .. that in fact .. they are sure that they are protecting their cities and families from aggression. This is the whole root of the "Gordian knot" ..
      In this war, it is not the force of arms that decides .. But faith in the truth. For whom the truth is both strong and invincible. And if a soldier feels .. that he is fighting for a wrong cause .. or even worse - for a criminal one .. he instantly becomes weak .. and confused.
      1. +3
        19 August 2022 12: 14
        I don't think American soldiers in Iraq were so sure that they were fighting for their families. They just shot and bombed the obsolete army with modern high-precision weapons and went to drink cola.
        1. +2
          19 August 2022 12: 28
          They were shot because Iraq did not have the opportunity to intercept all this, and now imagine that a coalition of anti-Western countries (China, Russia, Iran ...) began to help Iraq, began to supply modern weapons, trained the army, erected defensive lines, etc. And all this for 8 years.

          How much would the US then be busy with in Iraq? Also, there are rumors:

          General Franks: We bought victory in Iraq

          Before the military operation in Iraq, the Americans bribed Iraqi generals so that they would not resist, reports MSNBC.com with reference to Defense News.

          The military commander, General Tommy Franks, confirmed that special units were involved in negotiations with Iraqi army leaders. “I received letters from Iraqi generals saying, 'Now I work for you,'” Franks told Defense News.


          so the situations are very different.
      2. 0
        19 August 2022 12: 35
        But the truth is not on their side, Nazism cannot win, history is not on their side, take the Japanese, even the Nazis, no matter how desperately they fight for their ideas, but they cannot win. There are Higher forces that simply will not let the misanthropic regime win, and no matter who helps them, Ukraine was doomed to defeat when it began to kill its own citizens.
      3. +1
        19 August 2022 17: 32
        Are we waging a war for the minds?!... But we lost after all. Now they are sure that they are elves, but we are orcs. So can pah on these humanity, white gloves and valor. FAB-9000 scatter and truncated. The main thing is to stop in Lviv.
      4. ada
        0
        20 August 2022 02: 22
        Quote: ammunition
        Alas .. the situation is .. that in fact .. they are sure that they are protecting their cities and families from aggression. This is the whole root of the "Gordian knot" ..

        Yes, no, sorry, I do not agree with you, but I suggest not to simplify.
        Situation? Here is the 80s. middle.
        Representatives of the fraternal republic (periodically under the influence of light vapors) several times more often than I have heard before, use the words now broadcast in abundance. Further: "WE, WE, WE, Yes, here we are, Yes WE, Yes, if only WE, Yes, if only they didn't interfere with us ... Yes, WE, Yes, we have everything so advanced, Yes, you have everything x here ...!" , with a characteristic ambition, but so far true, without the already later everywhere "UKRAINE!, UKRAINIANS!", In general, everyone is no match for them and only interferes on the way to ... . Individuals, they directly stated to me that without us they would be better off, and if so, then we will fight with you, we will not regret it.
        Will anyone say what they were defending themselves from then? Or who are you protecting? At the same time, not only are a good half of them purebred Russians, and the other a mixture, and the majority not only did not know the language, but did not really understand anything, moreover, they studied at military educational institutions, served and worked in the USSR Navy , and the fathers and grandfathers of some fought, and as you know, not for Bandera or were officers, they worked in the Navy.
        I didn’t know about such a nationality as “Cossack” with varieties of “Don”, “Terek”, etc. Representatives, not too embarrassed, promised to “chop” us “red-bellied” as soon as the current starts, the same “WE!”, “peasant” , "ru ...", "collective farmers". Do you know such a name for the type of human life activity, combined with the place and method of living and working on the land, which is typical for the humiliation of a villager, like "cross" ?, "collective farm"? It is modern for the time. But I remembered such a blond, bilious guy, an ambiguous but talented writer, who wrote "Quiet Dons" and very tasty used in his work something primordial, nurtured by the "works" of generations, from the characteristic expressions: "ru ... smelly", "male ". Doesn't it remind you of anything? A whole class is above the "muzhik", a whole people is above the "Russian ...", but on "their" land!.
        Situation. The same 80s, late, early 90s.
        The ex-wife finished her education in Lugansk, and lived with her aunt in Bryanka, a mining family, a mining environment, everyone knows each other. My aunt worked at the post office and thought to put her niece there, but it didn’t work out. To the question - why ?, somehow embarrassed, she said, literally: "Well, I'm ru ....., a stranger here." And how many stories there were of how they worked as a friendly team, but the whole house (MKD) walked and celebrated, helped each other, shared, and in general Ukraine is not a match for filthy and drunken Russia. Russian Donbass?
        The aunt's son was visiting, showing all sorts of photos, how everything is cool there, the gym is equipped ... . Here is a photo of the gym that is very characteristic, it shows "athletes" (a team, in his words), and behind them is a wall with stimulating posters, on which, in addition to the ubiquitous Schwartz, etc., now recognizable, the faces of fighters for freedom and independence, but directly behind the backs of those photographed, in the center there is a large red-white-black banner, not completely visible, but the characteristic visible endings of the elements say that in the center ....
        He drank himself, died (perhaps, I don’t know for sure, they said so).
        These from whom did the team defend themselves then? From enslavement? Russian Donbass? "Azov" is not from there?
        Former, already in Russia in the early 90s.
        So many times at first she used the word "Ukraine" and "We have there ...", and previously indicated, despite the fact that the father is Belarusian, and the mother is Russian and never lived in Ukraine, that I had to upset the whirlwind of "superiority" presented to the brain from the fraternal people and periodically be interested in her condition with the question: "Ah, didn’t you go nuts, dear, in the attack ?!, with your Krajina!".
        The wife of a childhood friend, a westerner. The same time.
        Fyrchala, she did not like everything in drunken and bespontovy Russia in comparison with the capital city of Uzhgorod and its freedoms of thought and being, the quality and high level of everything. Father - a communist, according to the line of activity - the owner of a cafe-hotel for tourists. But all the snorting ended with the "flourishing" of the 90s, as well as party support and the institution itself, and a lot of things of the very best, with all of the above.
        Reality has come.
        I have (some no longer exist) and a bunch of relatives and friends, everything is the same and even worse.
        Who were they defending themselves from all this time? With whom did they fight in Abkhazia, Chechnya, Georgia and other places, in the Donbas? Or maybe it’s more correct to say, to ask - what were they preparing for all this time? and why? What was their righteous truth? They lived, ate, drank and walked for their own pleasure without grieving on subsidies, everyone was provided with housing, trained, employed, rested in resorts and rest houses, in pioneer camps (not to be confused with concentration camps and for convicts), traveled around the country for all sorts of competitions, competitions and concerts, went in for sports and all sorts of "creativity" and please note - all this was already at their birth, 25-35 years after the terrible war with post-war hunger and devastation.
        Situation you say?
        full-time post-war generations, not by the type of insult, but by the type of terminology of lost education and morality.
        The state, after the end of the civil war and similar conflicts, in order to ensure the stabilization of society, creates structures for repressive and educational purposes, to which it transfers elements of the continuation of the civil war in a relaxed version. The reduction of their role and participation leads to the revival of forces previously crushed by battles, and the elimination of such state structures and ideology leads to a new war.
        No, this is not the situation, it is rushing inside and contagion of the unfinished.
        It’s just that there hasn’t been a BIG WAR for a long time, apparently the time has come.
        Konchalovsky is shitting on the box, heartburned and hating everything ours, like Bulgakov, with his vision of the Novocherkassk events, trampling us into the mud.
        For a long time there was no BIG WAR. For a long time.
    4. 0
      19 August 2022 15: 16
      And you don’t know that the Tsrushniks ended this war with a couple of suitcases of greenery for the top of the Iranian army. Well, for comparison, look at the number of civilians killed. The Yankees of the Iraqis not only didn’t feel sorry for, they didn’t even notice.
    5. Egg
      +1
      19 August 2022 15: 28
      offer carpet bombing of civilians? let's immediately throw nuclear bombs then,
      and yet, whoever supplied Iraq with weapons, ammunition in echelons? Transferred tens of billions of money?
      such comparisons really piss me off...
    6. -1
      20 August 2022 11: 51
      So the Americans don’t really hide that Iraq took the dollar and not the army ... so the example is not relevant. Better calculate how long the Americans fought with the igil and how much we did.
    7. AML
      0
      20 August 2022 13: 21
      You forgot that the coalition put 1 million civilians. But also a coalition, she can.
  14. +1
    19 August 2022 11: 29
    It must be admitted that he commands the army of the outskirts of the Pentagon ...., local generals only stand under dictation and scribble orders and instructions for the troops .... which NATO warriors move .... No need for illusions ... and the shaved press has always been different nonsense ... like their analysts .....
    1. -1
      19 August 2022 11: 39
      So the Pentagon or London? In my second.
    2. +5
      19 August 2022 11: 44
      It must be admitted that he commands the army of the outskirts of the Pentagon

      From your statement, it should be recognized that the Pentagon generals are much smarter than the generals of the General Staff of the Russian Federation? This is also not good for us.
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 12: 23
        In more detail .... in what place did I state that the Pentagon generals are smarter than the generals of the General Staff of the Russian Federation? Is this to be understood, a "master class" for juggling? Better somewhere else and not on me....
    3. -1
      19 August 2022 16: 50
      And you also need to face the fact that the command of our troops and the General Staff are pure ignoramuses - as a result of the past 6 months of the "Special Military Operation"
  15. 0
    19 August 2022 11: 29
    Quote: Hoarfrost
    6 months ago, the second army of the world entered Ukraine and now there are still battles for the suburbs of Donetsk.

    Because they forgot to take you to help.
    Don't choke on your own bile.
    1. -1
      19 August 2022 11: 41
      Nevertheless, it is a fact: they retreated from Kyiv and Kharkov, fighting is going on in the suburbs of Donetsk. The enemy is bombing Crimea and Belgorod with impunity.
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 11: 57
        took the south, completely cleared the LPR
        1. -9
          19 August 2022 12: 17
          Not completely.
          1. +3
            19 August 2022 12: 22
            LPR completely
      2. -2
        19 August 2022 16: 59
        And as it turned out, the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in columns across the Donbass moves calmly without fear of anything and withdraws its forces without significant losses.
  16. 0
    19 August 2022 11: 43
    What is the trick of the Ukrainian military, inflicting rare strikes mainly on peaceful targets behind enemy lines

    An author from a parallel reality, or what? And where is Ukraine striking mainly at peaceful targets in the rear? Peaceful facilities, such as the Moskva cruiser, an airfield near Sevastopol, an ammunition depot and a equipment storage area near Dzhankoy, several ammunition depots in the border regions, bridges across the Dnieper near Kherson also have nothing to do with the army, did it use them?
    Such a conclusion, the author - for two.
    1. +3
      19 August 2022 13: 47
      To fill the cities of Donbass with petals, points with cluster warheads, land mines right on residential areas, where there is and never was any military infrastructure of the LDNR and the Russian Federation, this is not ukronazi, do I understand correctly? They began to strike at our warehouses and headquarters, well, a maximum of 2 months ago, when NATO satellites and spies scouted everything properly. Before that, in general, they only beat the civilians.
  17. -1
    19 August 2022 12: 06
    Learn what, surrender cities and towns, leave subordinates on the front lines and kill civilians?
  18. -4
    19 August 2022 12: 25
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    Ukraine would also have lost a long time ago if not for deliveries, then Russia did not supply Iskanders and calibers to Iraq


    Wouldn't have been able to deliver. By the time the first Iskanders arrived, the Iraqi army had already been defeated, the country had been captured, and the leadership had been liquidated.
    1. +3
      19 August 2022 13: 02
      Quote from Heaven
      Wouldn't have been able to deliver. By the time the first Iskanders arrived, the Iraqi army had already been defeated, the country had been captured, and the leadership had been liquidated.

      I’ll make a correction: it could have been delivered by air and in another way, if not for one thing - all the troubles of the eastern rulers from throwing chairs and corruption. They would buy on time what ours offered them, you see, and the sky would remain peaceful. As for Iraq, the senior and senior command staff were put on "allowance" in advance, so the defense crumbled, even though they knew how to fight - in Basra, the regiment of the Iraqi army held the British division for two weeks, until more help was brought up to the latter - crushed by numbers. .. Can you imagine what would happen if the whole army gave such a fight?!
      1. +1
        20 August 2022 17: 07
        Quote: isv000
        in Basra, an Iraqi army regiment held a British division for two weeks, until more help was brought to the latter - they crushed it by numbers ...

        You are not embarrassed that in two weeks of fierce fighting, as you say, the total losses of the British army in Iraq in 2003 amounted to about 53 people, 11 of them from friendly fire, in the Basra area, losses were about 30 people. Yes, the battle was "fierce", just the Battle of Stalingrad
        1. 0
          20 August 2022 17: 26
          Help from British scientists?! wink
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 17: 50
            Quote: isv000
            Help from British scientists?! wink

            If you open your eyes wider and tap on the clave with your hands, you will find complete information on 2003, Iraq! Glasses won't help the blind.
    2. +2
      19 August 2022 13: 27
      one desert, no brilliant green, the army leadership was bought and did not resist
      1. -4
        19 August 2022 13: 46
        February 24, what kind of green?
        And what prevented you from buying Ukrainian generals too? Is corruption outlived in Ukraine? No wonder the best commanders of the world said that the most reliable way to capture the fortress is a donkey with gold and did not disdain bribery.
        1. +3
          19 August 2022 13: 56
          they said to fight with silver spears, it’s different for them, they don’t obey the Minister of Defense, only formally, and it’s hard to outbid the leaders of the National Battalions, plus the authorities in the states, and they are very afraid of him, like slaves
  19. -7
    19 August 2022 12: 41
    next year, the Ukrainian army will be replenished with thousands of regular soldiers who are now being trained in the UK. And the supply of weapons, primarily from the United States, will significantly strengthen the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    It's a pity, but the planners upstairs I'm sure you don't care about this information.
  20. -4
    19 August 2022 12: 54
    In the coming years, NATO forces will line up at the door of Ukraine's General Staff to learn from the commanders who stopped the Russian army's advance on Kyiv and Odessa.

    belay I missed the offensive of our army on Odessa-mother?! recourse
  21. 0
    19 August 2022 12: 56
    Quote: navigator777
    There are Higher powers that simply will not let the misanthropic regime win.

    Yes, this is great support.
  22. 0
    19 August 2022 13: 17
    It's one thing to go to London for "training", and quite another - to Lvov, Vinnitsa or Ivano-Frankivsk. Fools are unlikely.
  23. -1
    20 August 2022 06: 28
    It looks like these pots are on their heads too.. The other day I watched the news on the German channel PR0 7. I laughed a lot. It turns out that all graduates with honors from military schools in Russia went to serve in the army of Ukraine, and losers in the army of Russia. And that the Ukrainians feel sorry for the Russian army and are not fighting at full strength
  24. +1
    20 August 2022 11: 03
    Let them line up to the "volyn"))) in what kind of pre-trial detention center is he sitting there ???
  25. -1
    20 August 2022 23: 14
    Yes, yes, chickens are counted in the fall. The Russian people are essentially unpretentious, and therefore we will see who is who in the war of attrition. To what extent and from what is Europe ready to give up for the sake of Ukraine? I think that the proverb "Your own shirt is closer to the body" is always relevant. The fat accumulated by Europe over the years of colonial policy is already melting, and it seems to me that her arrogance will soon decrease ...
  26. 0
    21 August 2022 11: 40
    Quote: Canecat
    Quote: Ural_engineer
    Learn what?

    Military affairs in the Ukrainian way ...

    That's it with this Image they are on the head! hi
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  28. 0
    25 August 2022 04: 33
    In the near future, there will be no General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as such. We'll have to stand in line at the Russian General Staff.