The long agony of the Pinochet regime and the sad end of the life of the dictator

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The long agony of the Pinochet regime and the sad end of the life of the dictator

Today we will finish the story about Chile in the times of Allende and Pinochet and talk about the attempts to liberalize the junta regime, the criminal prosecution of Pinochet and his associates, as well as Russian liberals - fans of the Chilean dictator.

Attempts to liberalize the junta regime


In the late 70s of the XX century, Pinochet began to try to whitewash himself and the Chilean regime in the eyes of the world community. He even said in an interview:



"I'm not a dictator, I just have an angry face."

Indeed, "angry":


Pinochet and associates, 1973

He also said:

“It has never been a dictatorship. It was dictablanda."

("Democracy" - from the Latin words dura - hard, and blanda - soft).

“I am a Democrat, but in my understanding of the word. It all depends on what is invested in the concept of democracy.”

And more:

"Democracy bears within itself the seed of its own destruction; democracy must be bathed in blood from time to time in order to remain a democracy."

In 1977, the infamous National Intelligence Agency (DINA) was transformed into the National Information Center.

To give Pinochet's power at least a semblance of legitimacy, a referendum was held on January 4, 1978, called "National consultations on the political program of President Augusto Pinochet." The voters were pressured even through ballots, where the Chilean flag was depicted in the “for” field, while a black rectangle was displayed in the “against” field.

Voting was carried out under the close supervision of the military and special services. In an atmosphere of general fear, Pinochet managed to gain 78% of the vote, but in almost no country in the world did they attach any importance to the results of these “consultations”. Nevertheless, Pinochet declared himself a “constitutional president” for 8 years with the right to re-election (however, in 1986, elections never took place).

On the brink of war with Argentina


In December of the same 1978, Chile almost went to war with Argentina because of the waters and islands of the Beagle Strait (named after the famous ship on which Charles Darwin made his voyage), which separates the main island of the Tierra del Fuego archipelago from the Oste Islands lying to the south, Navarino and other smaller ones.

On May 2, 1977, the international arbitration commission recognized them as the territory of Chile, the Argentines did not agree, their preparations were more than serious: they intended to throw into battle an army of 135 thousand people, an aircraft carrier, a cruiser, 4 destroyers, 2 corvettes, 2 landing ships, 4 submarines boats, 120 tanks and several hundred armored personnel carriers. The Chileans in that direction had 80 thousand soldiers, at sea - only one submarine. In terms of the number of aircraft, the invading army outnumbered the Chilean three times.

For their operation, called "Sovereignty", the Argentines hoped to attract Bolivia and Peru with territorial claims to Chile. At the last meeting on December 21, Argentine General Menendez told the senior officers of the III Corps that they would meet the new year 1973 in Santiago - in the presidential palace of La Moneda with glasses of champagne in their hands.

However, the Americans saved their "son of a bitch" Pinochet. Through unofficial channels, US President D. Carter sent an extremely tough statement to Buenos Aires:

“If you throw even a single pebble, no matter how tiny, the United States government and all of our NATO allies will view Argentina as the aggressor, with all the ensuing consequences.”

The Argentines did not dare to disobey the "world gendarme": the operation "Sovereignty" was stopped at the very last moment - 4 hours before the appointed time to cross the border. Through the mediation of the Pope, negotiations between Argentina and Chile continued until March 1985. In the end, the disputed territories were divided along the fairway of the Beagle Channel.

1988 plebiscite and Pinochet's defeat


In 1980, Chile adopted a new constitution proclaiming freedom of elections, political parties and trade unions. However, it was to enter into force only after 8 years. On September 5, 1988, a plebiscite was scheduled: according to the plan of Pinochet, the citizens had to vote for him to remain in power. But even in the event of the defeat of Pinochet, his powers were extended for another year.

17 parties united in one bloc, calling on their supporters to say "no". Among them were even Christian Democrats who supported Pinochet in the autumn of 1973. But Patricio Aylwin, who now led the Christian Democratic Party, in August 1973 (a month before the putsch) declared that a military dictatorship is better than a Marxist one. It was Aylvin, by the way, who became the new president of Chile.


Patricio Aylvin

The group of international observers was led by former Spanish Prime Minister Adolfo Suarez.

Like all dictators, Pinochet himself believed the reports of the official media and reports of sycophants about the universal loyalty (and even love) of ordinary citizens. But the last rally of his opponents before the plebiscite, which was attended by about a million people, made him doubt and worry.

Supporters and opponents of Pinochet before the 1988 plebiscite:



In the end, to Pinochet's great surprise, the majority of Chileans said "no" to him (in Chile, this plebiscite is often called the "No Referendum"). The turnout was 97,61% of all registered voters, 3 people (967%) voted against the extension of Pinochet's powers.

Some argue that after the defeat, Pinochet voluntarily resigned. But most researchers are convinced that he did this only because even his closest associates refused to support him, saying that after the new coup, Chile would finally find itself in the role of a world outcast.

Criminal prosecution of Pinochet


In 1990, Pinochet was forced to transfer power to the civil administration. He still remained the commander of the ground forces, which made possible a new coup d'état and the return of the junta to power. Finally, after another 8 years, the aged dictator resigned, becoming a senator for life and receiving immunity from criminal prosecution in Chile.

But unexpectedly, he received a blow where he did not expect at all - in London, where he flew at the invitation of the British Ministry of Defense and where he planned to undergo treatment in one of the private clinics. Here, on October 16, 1998, Pinochet was arrested on the basis of a warrant issued by a court in Spain at the request of citizens of this country once repressed by the Pinochet regime.

The former dictator was under house arrest for about a year and a half, but was released in March 2000. However, already in August of the same year, the Supreme Court of Chile deprived Pinochet of senatorial immunity. Now he was prosecuted already in his homeland - on charges of cases related to murders, kidnappings and torture of political opponents. But a year later, Pinochet's lawyers succeeded in stopping his prosecution on the grounds that the accused was in senile insanity and did not understand the essence of the questions being asked.


Elderly Pinochet in court

On March 11, 2000, the first socialist president after Allende, Ricardo Lagos, came to power in Chile.


Ricardo Lagos

In January 2001, a Chilean court decided to hold Pinochet liable for human rights violations. He was again placed under house arrest for a month and a half. However, this time the former dictator managed to evade responsibility - again under the pretext of senile dementia. But now Pinochet had to step down as senator for life.

In 2004, the prosecutor's office achieved the resumption of criminal cases on new episodes. Pinochet was now also accused of embezzlement and tax evasion. And again - unsuccessfully.

Criminal prosecution of associates of Pinochet


At that time, many of Pinochet's associates were convicted. For example, former head of the Dirección de Inteligencia Nacional (DINA) Manuel Contreras, high-ranking DINA official Marcelo Moren Brito and Brigadier General Miguel Krassnoff were convicted. The "exploits" of Contreras and Morena Brito were valued at 300 years in prison (each).


Manuel Guillermo Contreras in Punta Peuco prison, 2004. Died in 2015


Convoy Marcelo Moren Brito, died in a military hospital in Santiago in 2015

Miguel Krasnov was sentenced in several trials to a total of 60 years and 4 days in prison, and another 30 years were added to him in absentia in France - a Chilean court recognized this decision of his French colleagues.


Miguel Krasnov at one of the court hearings

I must say that Miguel Krassnoff seemed to have decided to confirm the validity of the Russian proverb that an apple does not fall far from an apple tree. He was the son of the White Guard Colonel Semyon Krasnov, the nephew of Ataman Pyotr Krasnov, who, as you know, during the Great Patriotic War headed the Main Directorate of the Cossack Troops of the German Imperial Ministry of the Occupied Eastern Territories. And Semyon Krasnov became a major general in the Wehrmacht. Peter and Semyon Krasnov were hanged by the verdict of the Soviet court on January 16, 1947. And Miguel's maternal grandfather, centurion Vladimir Marchenko, extradited to the USSR together with Semyon Krasnov, was convicted of war crimes and died in one of the Siberian camps.

The pregnant wife of Semyon Krasnov managed to escape from the camp in Lienz. In the Austrian Tyrol, she gave birth to a son and in 1948 moved with him to Chile. Here, Mikhail Semenovich Krasnov-Marchenko, who turned into Miguel, became the executioner of the people of the country that sheltered this family.

In July 2018, nine retired military personnel were convicted and found guilty of kidnapping, torturing and killing Victor Jara.

Death of Pinochet


Pinochet himself, as we have already said, could not be imprisoned. The dictator died of a myocardial infarction on December 10, 2006. At the time of his death, he was over 91 years old. His daughter Lucia, who was one of the ideologists of the junta regime and was a member of the leadership of the right-wing National Action Movement, speaking at a mourning meeting, called the military coup on September 11, 1973 "the flame of freedom" that "illuminated" Chile.


Funeral of Pinochet

However, for some reason, the Chileans did not agree with Lucia. The news of Pinochet's death was received by them with undisguised joy. And therefore, his body was cremated, and the place of burial of the ashes was classified, as the authorities feared that it would be constantly defiled.

Pinochet's wife lived to be 98 years old and died on December 16, 2021. In 2007, she and four of her children, including the mentioned Lucia, were brought to trial on charges of embezzlement of public funds. For some time, members of the dictator's family were under house arrest. But, as you probably guessed, this process also ended in vain.

As for the assessment of the results of Pinochet's rule, for a long time in Chile they tried to promote the "draw" theory, according to which during the junta there was not only bad, but also good. These attempts suffered a final collapse in 2014, when Chile passed the Prohibe homenaje y/o exaltación de la dictadura cívico militar law, which prohibits “honoring or glorifying the military-civilian dictatorship.”

Are there machine guns in Russia?


Pinochet was perhaps the most famous foreign dictator in the USSR; entire generations of Soviet people were brought up in hatred for him. It is all the more surprising that in Russia he suddenly had many admirers, who consider themselves the most notorious liberals. Yulia Latynina, for example, once said:

"Pinochet shot 5 commies and built a miracle."

About it fake miracle we have already spoken, we will not repeat ourselves. The notorious A. Sakharov, having learned about the military coup, sent Pinochet an obsequious letter asking him to take care of Pablo Neruda. It contained these lines:

"The violent death of this great man will darken for a long time the epoch of renaissance and consolidation of Chile that you have proclaimed."

Literally, the publicist M. Leontiev confessed his love for Pinochet:

“Pinochet and his people did not lie to anyone. They turned the Chilean economy into the most viable in Latin America. The main thing is that the general created an effectively working social system, built on a really liberal principle ... Pinochet told me how the Americans rotted them, refusing to supply Chile weapon. And how the country was rescued in this regard by communist China, South Africa and Israel.

Former Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance A. Lifshitz spoke sympathetically about Pinochet:

"Chile is an example of what strong government and market reforms can do."

In Yeltsin's Russia, a whole group of admirers of this dictator came to power in the country. Attempts to rehabilitate Pinochet were made back in the late 80s, when they suddenly began to declare him not a tyrant, but the savior of the country. And we decided that the experience of reforms carried out at gunpoint could be very valuable and useful.

And in 1991, after Yeltsin came to power, a large group of young economists was sent to Chile, among whom were, for example, Chubais, Koch, Naishul, Lvin, Vasiliev, Boldyrev and others. Everyone was delighted with the trip, except for Boldyrev. Returning to Moscow, B. Lvin wrote in the Rush Hour newspaper:

“I, calling upon myself the fire of criticism, am ready to speak about the greatness of Pinochet. Yes, he was a great man."

Since 1993, Lvin has been living in the USA, working at the World Bank.

It is said that in 1994, a young official from Sobchak's team, Alfred Koch, became very upset when he left his briefcase in the premises of the City Council Commission on Economic Reform. The reason for the excitement was the fact that this portfolio was presented to him personally by Augusto Pinochet. To Koch's delight, the briefcase was returned to him safe and sound.


A. R. Kokh - Chairman of the State Committee of the Russian Federation for State Property Management (1996-1997), Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation (1997), General Director of the Gazprom-Media holding (2000-2001), defendant in a criminal case on abuse of office, terminated under an amnesty. In 2015, he emigrated to Germany and in August of the same year, in honor of the Independence Day of Ukraine, he laid flowers at the grave of S. Bandera

In 2015, Vyacheslav Igrunov, a former dissident, one of the founders of the Yabloko party, a deputy of the State Duma of the first three convocations, in an interview with Lenta, spoke about meetings with participants in a trip to Chile:

“We had a very heavy debate on this topic.
They thought after the trip this way: to impoverish the population in order to devalue the labor force ... to concentrate resources in the hands of a few so that these few can compete in the international market.
I told them: these methods will lead to strikes and the collapse of the country.
They replied that they understand this, because the main task is to first destroy the trade unions.
I objected that it is possible to negotiate with trade unions, and without them there will be radicals and "wild" protests.
Their response to my remark was stunned: “What, we don’t have machine guns?”
Their idea of ​​strong power is not about the state, but about a dictator who breaks the people through the knee and carries out reforms. The phrase "breaking through the knee" in this environment appeared quite early.

There were no rebuttals from the persons mentioned in this interview.


V. Igrunov

Attempts were made to extrapolate the Chilean events to Russia. Having made a proportion in relation to the population, it was determined that, in the event of the implementation of the plans for reforms according to Pinochet's recipes, from 770 to 800 thousand people should have been subjected to repression in Russia.
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  1. +22
    19 August 2022 04: 38
    oh yes-ah-ah-ah ... all these "liberals with beautiful faces" just give free rein! Such a bloodbath will be arranged in their impulse "for all the good against all the bad" wassat
    1. +15
      19 August 2022 06: 11
      It's true. It’s funny to watch when a liberda, like Latin and co., squeals about “arbitrariness of the authorities and dictatorship”, somewhere at rallies, when some idiot throws stones at the police, and then gets a term for it ... But as soon as they open your mouth, you begin to understand that the place for these lovers of freedom is somewhere in a psychiatric hospital ...
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    2. 0
      13 October 2022 15: 37
      Well, not a single dictator shot the parliament from tanks ... And the Russian liberals "distinguished themselves", and the West needed such a "democracy" in the Russian Federation. And they want to get her back...
  2. +26
    19 August 2022 04: 41
    At 7 hi from Argentina.
    We were shown the coffin with Pinochet on TV .... for me it was like a terrible disgusting dream to see how the queue lined up for the coffin, and, some Chileans kissed Pinochet's corpse in a hickey, saying thank you for saving us from communism.
    So that he gets up and kisses you, who loves him.
    1. +14
      19 August 2022 07: 23
      He was kissed by those who snatched a saoi "piece of Chile" in his presence!
      And those who are still waiting for missing relatives would like to revive him, and then hang him on the gallows!
    2. +7
      19 August 2022 07: 26
      I almost completely agree ... only that Salvador Allende was precisely a communist (maybe he considered himself as such) always raised doubts ... Not everyone who got acquainted with Marx becomes real communists - quite a few slanderous ideas are generated in their heads ... And it is not known who is more terrible and dangerous - an outright dictator, or a fiery interpreter of the ideas of human equality (opportunists are always dangerous) ..
      1. +7
        19 August 2022 07: 59
        .And it is not known who is scarier and more dangerous - an outright dictator, or a fiery interpreter of the ideas of human equality (opportunists are always dangerous) ..
        And what, examples of both are not enough to say something like that?
        1. +3
          19 August 2022 10: 48
          Sometimes "those" are written to "others" and vice versa ..
      2. Fat
        0
        19 August 2022 13: 23
        hi It is a dangerous delusion to think that all Marxists = communists. This is quite clear even from the "Fabians" ...
        Fiery "fighters" are always dangerous, and if they are still deprived of intelligence, like Nikita Sergeevich Kh. and in general smile
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 14: 47
          Quote: Thick
          It is a dangerous delusion to think that all Marxists = communists.

          It is a dangerous delusion that everyone who refers to Marx has any true relation to the social idea of ​​​​equality, fraternity and justice .... Yes, and Marxism as such is the same ...
      3. +6
        19 August 2022 13: 51
        But in general, he was the leader of the Socialist Party and never considered himself a communist. In Chile, both the Socialist Party and the Communist Party have existed and still exist.
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 14: 43
          Quote: Sergej1972
          But in general, he was the leader of the Socialist Party and never considered himself a communist.

          It is precisely under the guise of Marxism that they are figuring their slanderous ideas, confusing people and vulgarizing the ideas of communism. The Junta pressed on the fact that the "Marxists" brought the country, and for most people it doesn't make any difference whether they are socialists or a communist, and they both refer to some kind of Marx. .
        2. Fat
          +3
          19 August 2022 15: 15
          hi Sergei, dear, Marxism is much older than the "October Revolution". I hope this is not news to you. At one time, the Rothschilds financed the "labor movements" ...
          Insanity obviously grew stronger, now they are financing the "rainbow" ...
          And so that everyone dies, and grandmothers remain in the accounts without heritage and memory. smile
  3. +12
    19 August 2022 05: 27
    Good morning friends!

    I congratulate everyone on the holiday, today is Apple Spas, the patronal holiday of our village. smile drinks

    1. +6
      19 August 2022 08: 36
      Congratulations, Konstantin!

      The heat in honor of this does not let go?
      Do you get smoke from forest fires?
      1. +7
        19 August 2022 08: 40
        Good morning, Sergey! smile

        We have had the heat for the third day since it let go, at least it became possible to breathe. The smoke does not reach us, it burns on the other side of the Oka, and the wind rose here is kind of crazy, but this only makes it easier for us.
        But it won’t be possible to catch the buzz for a long time, from Saturday the temperature rises again and the next week is all over thirty. The world has gone mad and the universe too. wassat
        1. +6
          19 August 2022 08: 47
          We have already discussed. Remembering 2010. And before that, who remembers - 1972.

          September is fast approaching.
          Mornings and evenings are quite comfortable.

          And about the world - you can not argue. In many manifestations.
          1. +4
            19 August 2022 09: 37
            Mornings and evenings are quite comfortable.


            It's true. And about specifically morning, articles and everything else:

            "Got up early this morning,
            No Luis Corvalan!
            Here she is, here she is
            The junta has worked." (c) request
          2. Fat
            +3
            19 August 2022 13: 15
            hi Hello, Sergey. I remember... The Izhevsk reservoir dropped almost a meter in level... From Solovyovka to Cape Yurovsky 5 minutes on a one-strength salute at the transom. In a bad word, it was very bad sad
            1. +2
              19 August 2022 15: 41
              Hi Andrew!

              This is how chronicles were created on major fires and other disasters.
          3. +3
            19 August 2022 14: 06
            Remembering 2010.

            Yeah, everything was on fire near Moscow, I remember. Yes, and not only you.
            But I don’t remember such an August as now in St. Petersburg ... what
            1. Fat
              +2
              19 August 2022 14: 26
              Hot? Are you talking about 2010? And I'm talking about 1974 ... I lived then in Izhevsk. Even the river tram approached the pier with caution. "Jubilee" larger with difficulty then set sail from the shallows ...
              That was sadness. smile
              It is very good that the drought did not visit the place where you live.
              1. +2
                19 August 2022 14: 36
                It is very good that the drought did not visit the place where you live.

                In general, yes. You are right, Andrei Borisovich.
            2. +2
              19 August 2022 15: 42
              Therefore, you rejoice at any drop of rain. This year there was enough snow, and the spring is late.
              But the forest is very dry.
        2. 0
          20 August 2022 17: 38
          Oh, are you on fire too? Some strange local fires ....
          there are already more than 4 kilohectares of toyvo ...... It starts to come to the neighbors ...
  4. +10
    19 August 2022 05: 45
    The news of the arrest and imprisonment of Miguel Krasnov caused indignation among part of the Cossacks of the Rostov region. They considered his actions a continuation of the struggle against communism that the Cossacks waged in the first half of the 2000th century. In the early XNUMXs, the All-Great Don Army and even some deputies of the Russian State Duma fussed about the release of Krasnov.
    1. +8
      19 August 2022 06: 22
      Quote: parusnik
      In the early 2000s, the All-Great Don Army and even some deputies of the Russian State Duma fussed about the release of Krasnov.

      The names of the German fascist bedding can be announced?
      1. +15
        19 August 2022 06: 34
        Please, it was in 2006, Vodolatsky, then the ataman of the Don Cossacks, the representative of Voronin, flew to Chile to resolve this issue.
    2. 0
      24 August 2022 07: 48
      ahh, these are those dressed up clowns?
  5. +15
    19 August 2022 06: 12
    Pinochet was perhaps the most famous foreign dictator in the USSR; entire generations of Soviet people were brought up in hatred for him.


    Well, I’m not sure about “whole generations”, but I remember my post-army youth well and remember how the whole country reacted to the coup in Chile, people really empathized with Allende and Victor Jara, although before the army putsch, ninety percent of the population of the USSR did not know these names, but some people, for sure, have not heard of Chile.
    And approximately such photographs did not leave the pages of newspapers and magazines then.



    1. +6
      19 August 2022 06: 17
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Pinochet was perhaps the most famous foreign dictator in the USSR; entire generations of Soviet people were brought up in hatred for him.


      Well, I’m not sure about “whole generations”, but I remember my post-army youth well and remember how the whole country reacted to the coup in Chile, people really empathized with Allende and Victor Jara, although before the army putsch, ninety percent of the population of the USSR did not know these names, but some people, for sure, have not heard of Chile.
      And approximately such photographs did not leave the pages of newspapers and magazines then.




      Well, the turn of many in the direction of love for Pinochet was just a turn of all the words of the USSR by 180 degrees. Since the trust was at the bottom
      1. Fat
        -3
        19 August 2022 16: 07
        Quote: BlackMokona
        the turn of many in the direction of love for Pinochet was simply a turn of all the words of the USSR by 180 degrees. Since the trust was at the bottom

        As they treated Pinochet as a traitor and bastards, they did. There was no "reversal 180". From denial to indifference of degrees of emotions for prescription, the event did not happen.
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    3. +19
      19 August 2022 06: 40
      Victor Khara, although before the army coup, ninety percent of the population of the USSR did not know these names, and some, for sure, had not even heard of Chile.
      Magazine Krugozor with flexible records, with songs by V. Khara. for 1972, there, in addition to his songs, there were records with songs of other foreign performers.
      1. +9
        19 August 2022 06: 49
        "Krugozor" sometimes came across to me, but I never bought it myself, I learned about Khara from the guys from the UDN, but I don't remember its songs, maybe I've never heard it.
        1. +15
          19 August 2022 07: 36
          I must have heard it, I just forgot.
          The unified pueblo will never be allowed!
          The unified pueblo will never be allowed!
          Well, this one for sure
          Venceremos, venceremos
          Con Allende en septiembre a vencer
          Venceremos, venceremos
          La Unidad popular al poder.
          We have translated
          Venceremos, the cry of freedom
          It flies invitingly over the country.
          Venceremos, venceremos -
          This means we will win!
          1. +8
            19 August 2022 07: 46
            Yes, much has been forgotten, too many events have happened since then. smile
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          2. VLR
            +11
            19 August 2022 10: 30
            See what else Victor Hara did:

            1. Fat
              +4
              19 August 2022 13: 48
              hi For such anti-imperialist propaganda, it is not surprising that a talented creator goes to zero ...
      2. Fat
        +4
        20 August 2022 12: 38
        Now I tried to search for performance. Victor Ochar. Thumbs up. It is difficult for me not to understand with what fright the Soviet establishment then staged a campaign. Well, Makarevich's criminals will slap, for example, so what? fool I don't stop liking his Candle.
    4. +19
      19 August 2022 07: 40
      And approximately such photographs did not leave the pages of newspapers and magazines then
      I remember, I remember ... And it was


      Under something like this banner, I went to a demonstration with a factory brigade. It was already starting to get cold, so we warmed up with port wine with the girls from the OTK.
  6. +15
    19 August 2022 06: 20
    The tragedy of Allende is that he underestimated the venality and ambition of the generals. Pinochet crushed the first action of the army against the government, and led the second. It could not do without a hegemon and transnational companies. I admire the courage of Allende and despise the corrupt woman with the low social responsibility of Pinochet. The earth is glassy to him. And the descendants will give an assessment of what is happening in the Russian Federation. The general message is already emerging - Gorbachev is a rag that ruined the country, Yeltsin is a drunk who sold himself to the West. hi
    1. +7
      19 August 2022 06: 36
      The tragedy of Allende is that postulating the construction of socialism, he made half-hearted decisions. And this does not lead to good .. Including - he did not clean up the command staff of the army ..
      1. Fat
        +1
        20 August 2022 11: 44
        Allende did not postulate any "socialism" and some people passed the path. The coup, "" Pinochetovsky, not much, but indicated something.
    2. 0
      19 August 2022 07: 22
      Allende did exactly the same thing that Chavez did in Venezuela. Before Chávez, Venezuela was the country with the highest standard of living in Latin America, the most developed middle class, and the most stable thanks to oil, economy and currency. Now this is a poor country, the distribution of food and medicines on cards, the savings of everyone who kept them in the national currency, burned down. Industry closed down, agriculture degenerated to natural, and even oil production dropped sharply, because the equipment in the fields was driven to wear and tear and not really serviced. It is the country with the highest crime rate in South America.
      This is what Chile was waiting for, and it would have come much earlier, since there was no source of petrodollars in Chile. So Pinochet really was the savior of the nation.
      1. +14
        19 August 2022 07: 52
        For about five years now, a person I know very well has been living and working in Venezuela, we have a regular connection, I have never heard anything like that about those "horrors" that you paint here and have never heard from him.
        1. -2
          19 August 2022 10: 50
          Quote: Sea Cat
          For about five years now, a person I know very well has been living and working in Venezuela, we have a regular connection, I have never heard anything like that about those "horrors" that you paint here and have never heard from him.

          Greetings, Constantine! hi
          I have relatives living there since the 1920s. In the 1990s, they were the largest furniture manufacturers in Venezuela, one of them was a parliamentarian. They dumped Chavez, now in the States, they are talking about what a forum member wrote under the nickname Nagan.
          1. +5
            19 August 2022 11: 24
            They dumped Chavez, now in the States

            Don't you think that the opinion of your relatives who "dumped" from Venezuela to the states is no more valuable than the opinion of Khamatova, who "dumped" from Russia to Latvia?
            1. -2
              19 August 2022 11: 41
              I think it is many times more valuable, since these people were in the thick of political and financial events - they represented something, that is
              1. +9
                19 August 2022 12: 33
                The opinion of all emigrants, especially emigrants - enemies of the current government, is always biased and biased. Even non-political emigrants always try to denigrate their former homeland and embellish the current one. I met with such. While you say that there are some problems in Russia - they bloom and smell. And you start to say that it’s good - they immediately turn sour and try to change the subject.
                1. -1
                  19 August 2022 12: 42
                  Not that example. People love Venezuela, they had the opportunity to leave the country over the past 40 years and live comfortably anywhere in the world (as dollar multimillionaires), but they preferred to live and build and create there. Their emigration was painful and forced.
                  1. Fat
                    +4
                    19 August 2022 13: 39
                    hi Albert. They didn't want to run away. There, under Hugo, many people came to earn money ... I don’t know how they live under the sanctions, alas.
                    1. -1
                      19 August 2022 13: 42
                      Hi! hi
                      According to relatives, most of the business dumped from Chavez with his populism and destructive, in relation to the country's economy, activities.
                      1. Fat
                        +8
                        19 August 2022 13: 55
                        Albert, According to other, well, my relatives. Difficulties are not more difficult than our domestic ones. Those who want to get a million very quickly - rob banks in the USA smile drinks
                      2. -1
                        19 August 2022 14: 00
                        Quote: Thick
                        who want to get a million very quickly - rob banks in the USA

                        drinks laughing
                        Well I do not know
                        These loot in Venezuela and not only mowed down not childishly. Well, status and all that
                      3. Fat
                        +1
                        19 August 2022 14: 15
                        drinks With the criminals in their homeland, Hugo Chavez somehow quickly dotted things, and very harshly. therefore, becoming a "small entrepreneur" was not a problem there. I don't know how it is now with the Venezuelan bureaucracy. And with crime ... even more so smile
                      4. +2
                        19 August 2022 14: 35
                        What kind of crime? laughing
                        People had furniture factories since the 1940s, in the 1980s all the sons and the father were already dollar multimillionaires laughing
                        One of them was a member of parliament, and Chavez dealt with his own economy, and very hard. Now there - yes, it has more or less stabilized, there is no shortage, the criminogenic situation has become better, but so far, the indicators of the pre-Chaves era are still far away, people still go to Colombia and Brazil as gasters.
                      5. Fat
                        +2
                        19 August 2022 14: 51
                        My business will not be abandoned! Found a place and like ticks, sorry. Food and clothing, and in any case - a priority and a multiple bonus.
                        America! and who cares that the south? laughing
                      6. +1
                        19 August 2022 15: 05
                        It's not bad too )))
          2. +2
            19 August 2022 15: 14
            Hi Albert! smile
            Well, Alexey answered you, I have nothing to add.
            1. 0
              19 August 2022 15: 46
              No, well, for me, so Krasnodar Europe)))
              As for the rest - different people, different requests, etc.
            2. Fat
              +1
              19 August 2022 16: 38
              Andrey - I, but I did not notice the arguments from Alexei. Alas for me ... Yes, okay.
              1. +2
                19 August 2022 16: 52
                Sorry, I jumped, I don’t understand how. request
          3. +4
            20 August 2022 07: 38
            Quote: Krasnodar
            In the 1990s were the largest furniture manufacturers in Venezuela

            it would be strange if they suddenly began to praise Chavez's policies.
            1. -1
              20 August 2022 14: 24
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Quote: Krasnodar
              In the 1990s were the largest furniture manufacturers in Venezuela

              it would be strange if they suddenly began to praise Chavez's policies.

              To praise or scold is one thing, just like that, to take and dump from a country where you have power and money is quite another
              1. +1
                21 August 2022 11: 44
                Well, after the well-known events, many of us also dumped ...
                1. -1
                  21 August 2022 12: 11
                  Quote: Senior Sailor
                  Well, after the well-known events, many of us also dumped ...

                  They dumped us so that the property located in the West would not be squeezed out))
                  Not the case
        2. Fat
          +8
          19 August 2022 13: 34
          Greetings Konstantin. You may not believe it, but with Chavez I had a chance, quite by accident, to "guarantee"
          That was a long time ago...
          Since then, "I don't wash my hand with soap" wassat
          It's normal for people to live there - that's right, one of my cousins ​​runs a fashion studio there. Successful to the best of my ability.
          1. +4
            19 August 2022 15: 16
            Good day, Andrey! smile
            I had a chance to face Fidel nose to nose, only for some reason we were not introduced to each other.
            But I still wash my nose. laughing
            1. Fat
              +2
              19 August 2022 15: 28
              Wow! And I also saw our Patriarchs starting from Pimen, there are even pictures. I never got a blessing... The guards didn't let me through. laughing laughing drinks
              1. +4
                19 August 2022 15: 46
                We, in the Novodevichy Convent, were neighbors with the Metropolitan, but somehow we didn’t have a chance to talk. The clergy kept whining for us to get our guns out of sight of the active church, but who will carry this cast iron ... in short, they were gently sent back.
                And our men joked once, on one door in the metropolitan chambers hung a copper plaque with the inscription "METROPOLIT", and ours glued a larger plate on the next door with a calligraphic inscription "ZAMPOLIT", with a hint, you yourself understand which organization. laughing But the scandal did not work out, they lowered it on the brakes.
                1. Fat
                  +1
                  19 August 2022 16: 20
                  smile And what the wits could have taught, you know.
                  For some reason, the feds favored them. In vain, or maybe not.
                  The clear is always self-sufficient and under any power, and if he is allied with the power, it is very useful. smile
                  1. +2
                    19 August 2022 16: 41
                    And what the wits could have taught, you know.


                    I confess, I wrote the sign. Yes
                    1. Fat
                      +2
                      19 August 2022 16: 58
                      I would have done the same from the very beginning of the restoration process. Mdya .... I didn’t think of it ..... laughing laughing laughing drinks
        3. +2
          19 August 2022 19: 32
          Quote: Sea Cat
          a person I know very well lives and works in Venezuela

          Who works? And most importantly, where does he live? In fenced enclaves for foreigners at all times and in all places, life was different than among the locals. In the days of the USSR, I would not at all mind living in the Sovetskaya Hotel, dining in front of it in a foreign exchange restaurant, and shopping at Beryozka.
          1. Fat
            +2
            20 August 2022 11: 57
            Entrepreneur! Well, do you really need to be an "agent" in order to sew trousers? Cool by the way, I wear from Yulka Ivancha wink
      2. +9
        19 August 2022 09: 50
        Or maybe - the situation in Venezuela is a consequence of the total attack of the West on it, no? Sanctions there, theft of money, assets, other cute antics? And not at all the actions of Chavez?

        In the same way, about Chile - if everything there were as chocolate as liberals like you assure, Allende simply would not have won the elections. And in general - when will you start reading at least something on the issues you set out, besides liberal agitation? In this case, according to the history of Chile .. For Allende is by no means the first local attempt to move towards socialism. Why do you think?
        1. 0
          19 August 2022 12: 54
          And why shouldn't all socialist countries unite and make an all-out economic attack on the West? What did not allow? Moral principles? lol It seems, no, they could take away assets from people under the guise of nationalization, but there is no economic embargo from the West and trade within the CMEA / countries of the Non-Aligned Movement / Third World .. request I wonder why, do not tell me?
        2. +2
          20 August 2022 17: 50
          Purely IMHO, but all these .... discussions, in general, are meaningless. Someone believes that Allende is a zer gut, someone - on the contrary. As for, esssno, not only the mentioned persons. Few people are interested in the real state of affairs. Or a very corrosive character, or work. But the work is not so easy)))
          How much effort was needed to really manifest Pinochet - only Allah knows. But El Salvador himself had a hand in making it appear so quickly. However, I quite like the cybersyn of Allendne, taking into account who launched it and when ....
          And so .... An interesting topic and ambiguous, with slogans and faith in something to study it .... it makes no sense.
      3. +9
        19 August 2022 10: 57
        Quote: Nagan
        Allende did exactly the same thing that Chavez did in Venezuela. Before Chávez, Venezuela was the country with the highest standard of living in Latin America, the most developed middle class, and the most stable thanks to oil, economy and currency. Now this is a poor country, the distribution of food and medicines on cards, the savings of everyone who kept them in the national currency, burned down. Industry closed down, agriculture degenerated to natural, and even oil production dropped sharply, because the equipment in the fields was driven to wear and tear and not really serviced. It is the country with the highest crime rate in South America.
        This is what Chile was waiting for, and it would have come much earlier, since there was no source of petrodollars in Chile. So Pinochet really was the savior of the nation.

        Let's start from the beginning. All the troubles of Cuba, Chile, Venezuela came from the economic sanctions of the United States. And not from Allende and Chavez. And, of course, you can say about Russia.
        1. +2
          19 August 2022 19: 37
          Quote: Pilat2009
          All the troubles of Cuba, Chile, Venezuela came from US economic sanctions

          But imagine, in some thread of Dushmanistan, the property of Russian citizens and companies was nationalized overnight. And what do you think, Russia will swallow it so easily and wipe it off? Won't answer at all?
          1. ANB
            0
            20 August 2022 20: 24
            . But imagine, in some thread of Dushmanistan, the property of Russian citizens and companies was nationalized overnight

            So that's what the neighbors did. And they didn't answer for 8 years. And they would not have answered if they had not completely lost the coast.
          2. 0
            21 August 2022 13: 31
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Pilat2009
            All the troubles of Cuba, Chile, Venezuela came from US economic sanctions

            But imagine, in some thread of Dushmanistan, the property of Russian citizens and companies was nationalized overnight. And what do you think, Russia will swallow it so easily and wipe it off? Won't answer at all?

            To nationalize or not is a personal matter of each country. In addition, they seemed to pay money for nationalization, they bought it out, so to speak.
      4. 0
        21 August 2022 00: 32
        Quote: Nagan
        So Pinochet really was the savior of the nation.

        Some Chileans (somewhere in 99) told me that under Pinochet there was order and life was better. The words of ordinary citizens, without pretensions to historical analytics and without regard to the veneration of this person by domestic liberals (by the way, I personally consider a reference to this in a historical article as manipulation).
  7. +9
    19 August 2022 06: 20
    Quote: parusnik
    part of the Cossacks of the Rostov region.

    Come on, what kind of Cossacks are there in our time! Mummers! In Novocherkassk, I remember looking at their drunken parade in May, this is something! Everyone who gathered cheered!
    1. +10
      19 August 2022 06: 42
      However, the representative flew to Chile. See above comment. There are enough mummers in the Kuban.
    2. -2
      19 August 2022 10: 52
      Quote: lithium17
      Quote: parusnik
      part of the Cossacks of the Rostov region.

      Come on, what kind of Cossacks are there in our time! Mummers! In Novocherkassk, I remember looking at their drunken parade in May, this is something! Everyone who gathered cheered!

      That's right, the Cossacks were still cut out by Budyonny. There are funny dances, stories about serving the Fatherland (I don’t have statistics on the presence of Russian Cossacks in the Donbass, but it seems to me that it is minor) and they are trying to fit somewhere into the regional budget.
      1. 0
        28 August 2022 01: 57
        Quote: Krasnodar
        That's right, the Cossacks were still cut out by Budyonny.

        The White Cossacks of the Budyonovites also did not favor. Echoes of the civil war are manifested in persistent attempts to glorify, for example, Baron Ungern, who, unlike Hitler and Eichmann, who exterminated Jews for 12 years, managed to massacre all the Jews in Mongolia in six months. My classmate met with the descendants of the Semenovites in the 1970s in Ulaanbaatar. The Semyonovites simply hated Russians.
  8. 0
    19 August 2022 07: 10
    As one noble milkmaid stated, “I don’t know who this Chilya is and what kind of junta she needs, but if Louise is not released from the carnival, I won’t go out for the morning milking!”
    1. +11
      19 August 2022 08: 05
      "I don't know who this Chilya is and what kind of junta she needs
      A mossy dissident joke of the time. And the Pinochetites at the same time seized the trawler of our fishermen and kept them in dungeons for a month, beating them. Then they let go. Remember the press of that time.
    2. +3
      19 August 2022 10: 25
      laughing
      As one noble milkmaid stated
      "Name, sister, name! (c)" laughing
  9. -9
    19 August 2022 08: 10
    Russia had its own Pinochet - I.V. Stalin, the successes of the first five-year plans in many respects (almost in everything) are due to Pinochet's methods. Without the Gulag there would be no great construction projects. The opportunity to get 5 years for being 5 minutes late for work strengthened labor discipline.
    1. +7
      19 August 2022 08: 42
      Oh, sorry. but on Stalin Khrushchev "hung" the sins of all the "madmen", among whom he himself was. And, talking about Beria, he, in fact, spoke about Yezhov, who, through the efforts of Beria, was removed from the leadership of the NKVD.
      Stalin became the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars and the Stalin that we know 45 days before the start of the war. It was from that time that he began to make independent decisions that no one could dispute. Until then, all decisions were made collectively.
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 10: 55
        Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Ulyanov) (1922 1924, c 1917 Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR) Alexei Ivanovich Rykov (1924 1930) Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov (Skryabin) (1930 1941) May 6, 1941 Molotov was relieved of his post Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, taking the post of Deputy Head of Government.
        1. +6
          19 August 2022 11: 26
          Well, yes, on May 6, 1941, the general secretary of the Communist Party, Stalin, became chairman of the Council of People's Commissars and thus "Stalin". The Secretary General in those years was not the head of state. This is later, under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, the Secretary General is already the most important.
          1. +4
            19 August 2022 14: 11
            Judging by the articles in the Pravda newspaper of the 30s, even before the appointment of the Predsovnarkom, Stalin was considered the main figure in the country. And all the most important decisions of the Council of People's Commissars, the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee, and then the Supreme Council and its Presidium, were previously discussed at meetings of the Politburo, the Orgburo, the Secretariat of the Central Committee of the Party. Meetings of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks were held on many important issues in the life of the country, including those related to military issues. All the most important state leaders of the USSR were members of the Politburo and (or) the Organizing Bureau of the Central Committee, or were Secretaries of the Central Committee. On the other hand, the Secretaries of the Central Committee, who were not part of the Council of People's Commissars, nevertheless, oversaw the most important areas of the economy and defense. For example, Zhdanov oversaw the Navy. During the war years, Shcherbakov, who was at the same time the Secretary of the Central Committee, the first secretary of the Moscow Party Committee, and the head of the Soviet Information Bureau, enjoyed enormous influence. Malenkov and Andreev wielded enormous power even during those periods when they occupied only party posts. Molotov was Stalin's man and recognized his leadership when he himself was Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. By the way, formally, the decisions of the Council of People's Commissars were taken collectively.
    2. -1
      28 August 2022 02: 06
      Quote: Lis_Domino
      The opportunity to get 5 years for being 5 minutes late for work strengthened labor discipline.

      There is a big difference between Pinochet and Stalin. Stalin was able to organize the Soviet freemen into a coherent state system. The nomenklatura is strictly controlled from above and the party system. An average between a permanent local cathedral and a knightly order with a strict screening of the unworthy and the possibility of pouring fresh healthy blood into it. Moreover, both the party and the nomenklatura lived relatively modestly and worked and fought for the good of the country and the people, and not for the good of their families and their caste. In conditions of social inequality, Beria and the Gulag are unlikely. It is easier and more profitable for the Berias and Yezhovs to dispossess one Gref than to imprison cleaners in Sberbank for a five-minute delay.
  10. +7
    19 August 2022 08: 44
    Yulia Latynina, for example, once said: “Pinochet shot 5 commies and built a miracle”

    I remember that someone poured a whole bucket of feces on this very Latynina on the street. This was truly a miracle... wink
    1. +1
      19 August 2022 16: 16
      Really, honestly, honestly?
  11. +4
    19 August 2022 09: 26
    On May 2, 1977, the international arbitration commission recognized them as the territory of Chile.
    As early as July 23, 1971, in the Argentine city of Salta, the presidents of Chile and Argentina - Salvador Allende and Alejandro Lanusse - signed an agreement on the transfer of border disputes in the Beagle Channel to international arbitration and pledged to accept its decision. The Arbitration Commission was formed by lawyers from the USA, Great Britain, France, Sweden and Nigeria.

    Map of the Operation Sovereignty plan.
    1. VLR
      +5
      19 August 2022 17: 18
      The Argentines did not recognize the decision of this arbitration in favor of Chile. And almost started a war.
  12. +13
    19 August 2022 09: 29
    The turnout was 97,61% of all registered voters, 3 people (967%) voted against the extension of Pinochet's term.

    But these figures speak of the strongest split in society.
    As for attitudes in our country... after the collapse of the communist ideology, the system of coordinates in their heads turned upside down. I remember how Alexander Rosenbaum spoke positively about Pinochet, and Khara called him a "labukh", who himself did not understand why he was playing tricks.
    The truth, I believe, is that we in Russia have a very weak idea of ​​the realities of Latin America in general and Chile in particular.
    1. +2
      19 August 2022 11: 30
      these figures indicate the strongest split in society

      Nevertheless, there was a tough administrative pressure on voters. The fear of reprisals was still alive. Years of propaganda that assured that ordinary Chileans live in heaven on earth. And there were people who were well and relatively settled - not only "oligarchs", but also quite numerous employees of the state apparatus who were afraid of losing their "warm" places.
  13. Fat
    -1
    19 August 2022 13: 07
    Are there machine guns in Russia?
    Pinochet was perhaps the most famous foreign dictator in the USSR; entire generations were brought up in hatred for him.

    Thanks, Valery. It must be admitted that the cycle about the "SELF" dictator did not impress. I can't say that I got bored while reading. Nevertheless, either the dictator or the handkerchiefs are doing their small business. Being a completely Soviet engineer never... Because! There was no reliable information.
    What is absolutely certain, the influence of the USSR failed. ALAS
  14. +4
    19 August 2022 14: 14
    Paradoxically, the Argentine junta that existed in the second half of the 70s and early 80s had normal relations with the USSR. Although it was no less, but rather even more cruel than the Chilean one. Maybe because there were not socialists in power before, but Peronists?
    1. +1
      19 August 2022 19: 05
      all this south and central america is such a swamp
  15. -1
    19 August 2022 16: 11
    And why the sad end of life? In my opinion, he lived his life quite well.
    1. VLR
      +6
      19 August 2022 16: 18
      If Pinochet had died in 1980, he could have rightfully said: life was good. But he lived too long, survived the shame of trials, the open contempt of his compatriots, saw how Allende was exalted and how his own associates were imprisoned. And he himself was not imprisoned just because he made a deal "humiliation (recognizing himself as feeble-minded) in exchange for freedom."
      1. Fat
        +1
        19 August 2022 16: 53
        I agree. Perhaps this is well thought out.
        Even without the coup. Chile's economy would have been adjusted very quickly. The "merit" of the general - "saddled" the process.
        "Maxim died, and .... with him"
        And that is a FIGURE. International press star
      2. +1
        19 August 2022 23: 06
        I once read that among the modern young Chilean officers there is no reverence for the memory of Pinochet.
  16. VLR
    +6
    19 August 2022 17: 25
    In the next article, we will return to France and talk about Mazarin. Well, at the same time a little about Anna of Austria, the Duchess de Chevreuse, whose lover, according to Dumas, was Aramis, and about the "grey eminence" Father Joseph.
  17. +1
    19 August 2022 18: 58
    all these faces are asking for bricks
  18. 0
    19 August 2022 22: 23
    Well, the bottom line after Uncle Pinochet was a perfect pension system that could not be reproduced either in America, or in England, or in Europe. It was recognized that this could only be done under a dictatorship.
  19. +1
    19 August 2022 23: 24
    In general, as far as is known, Pinochet studied in Moscow .... at the VPA .... He knew Russian and read all of Lenin's PSS in the original ..... His words to the correspondent of the newspaper Continent, when he was in Argentina at a resort, almost literally .... that after studying the work of Ilyich, he came to the conclusion of a coup against Allende .... In the same interview, he noted the reliability of his Chilean Air Force commander Ralph Ivanov, a descendant of Russian immigrants .... The fact that he was the organizer and a strong personality - yes. Many experts noted the growth of the Chilean economy during the years of his reign, the normal social and pension provision of the people. In the interview there is a phrase of Augusto that he said talking about the beginning of the introductions in the country's economy. Literally: make reforms that would be understandable to any of my soldiers ....
    1. +2
      20 August 2022 07: 51
      Quote from Besarab
      In the same interview, he noted the reliability of his commander of the Chilean Air Force, Ralph Ivanov, a descendant of Russian immigrants....

      Among the commanders-in-chief of the Chilean Air Force there was no person with that name.
      From 1970 to 1973 commanded Danyau
      from 1973 to 1978 Guzman
      from 1978 to 1991 Obel
      1. +1
        20 August 2022 17: 56
        Moreover, little is known about Monsieur Augusto's studies in Moscow)))
      2. 0
        21 August 2022 09: 32
        Maybe not the Air Force, but another type of aircraft
        1. -1
          21 August 2022 14: 20
          Or maybe Pinochet did not study in Moscow ....
          You'd better remember the socialist republic of Chile feel
      3. 0
        15 October 2022 20: 02
        For that is, a descendant of Russians - Miguel Krasnov ...
  20. +3
    20 August 2022 10: 47
    It is amazing what powerful forces saved Pinochet from just retribution all the time. All his crimes are just in the palm of your hand, but The Hague did not even utter a word. Of course, our liberals are still scumbags. To chant such crap...
    1. -2
      21 August 2022 09: 33
      After Augusto..., Chile was called the fifth center of world finance with the best welfare model....
      1. 0
        23 August 2022 13: 14
        Striped propaganda called it that.
  21. -1
    26 August 2022 12: 06
    It turns out that Putin is one of them .. Well ... he still has a choice ... and time will wait ... But let him not hope for insanity ...
  22. 0
    30 September 2022 09: 32
    Quote: Nagan
    So Pinochet really was the savior of the nation


    This is just your IMHO and nothing more.
    The Chileans themselves thought differently, so they gave the “general” a ride on blacks when he decided to play democracy.
    However, they still know better than some Internet hamsters.
    Tales of prosperous Venezuela before Chavez are told elsewhere. If that were the case, Chavez would never have been elected.
  23. 0
    15 October 2022 20: 00
    Pinochet is a personality! And liberals are indecency ...