The attack cannot be stopped. Prolongation of the conflict in Ukraine

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I was inspired to speak out about the conduct of a special military operation by the materials I read on the Web, which set out different points of view, including articles posted on this information resource. There was an opinion that a certain part of the society in Russia still cannot part with hatred moods.

I am more than sure that most of those who, after the marathon on the TV channels with a remote control in their hands on the sofa in their cozy apartments, shout about “victory at any cost”, will not end up in the CBO zone, and even more so many of these Internet fighters they have little idea how to win with the available funds and the sluggish government policy.



Not so long ago, the Russian Field sociological service was held survey related to the current situation in the war zone in Ukraine. So, the opinions of the people were actually divided equally. 60% of respondents would support the decision of the President of the Russian Federation to launch a "new offensive against Kyiv", but at the same time 65% would also approve of his intention to stop the special operation and sign a peace agreement. How soft they lay! This is to the problem of an “operational pause”, which, by the way, has not even thought of starting yet. More remarkable here is something else.

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“At the same time, almost two-thirds of the men surveyed (62%) are not ready to personally take part in hostilities in Ukraine, if they have the opportunity, which is six percentage points higher than in a similar survey conducted in the second half of May. 29% of respondents expressed their desire to participate in a special operation, and most often people aged 45 to 59 years old (37%) admit this, while among men from 18 to 29 years old, only 23% of them. There are also not so many people who want to help the Russian military financially: 67% are not ready to donate their own funds in support of the special operation, and 12% agree to spend no more than 1 thousand rubles on this. per month".

This happens when you do not announce mobilization, but rely only on contract soldiers and, more recently, on mercenaries. The entire thorny path through the land of the DPR/LPR is largely due to the fact that Ukrainian units have created entire underground networks everywhere, like ants. We were trained by foreign specialists to act in such conditions, I know all this firsthand.

"Hundred mountaineers attacked"


Combat operations of such intensity sooner or later lead to the fact that one of the parties to the conflict still goes into the red, this is natural. I, like many others, am confident in the servicemen of the RF Armed Forces, I admire their steadfastness and courage, especially considering what they have to perform their combat missions on, but I am not sure about the political leadership.

The APU needs a breather and so do we. Russia is essentially just marking time, losing its already precious time and, most importantly, life. If we analyze what is happening in Ukraine now, the result for Russia does not look at all in a rosy light. Until now, a sufficient number of modern models of equipment have not been provided, as well as additional protection for the existing one. All the same, episodically, real money is being collected in social networks for everything necessary for the military personnel of our army, for example, the public “Turned in the war”.

It is understandable, conducting an air defense system is not a cheap matter, why should the Ministry of Defense spend money on the purchase of modern army first-aid kits, if it can be collected by text messages. So far, no strikes have been made on decision-making centers, and there is no more talk about it at all.

An analogy with Verdun has already been drawn here, and it has already become clear to the reader, as I think, that in fact the war has escalated into a positional one, with artillery and missile weapons grinding each other every day. Bravura reports about heavy battles for individual collective farms only cause a smile.

Good analytics on this issue is already appearing on the network, by the way. For the most part, specialists from the Armed Forces and the notorious Wagner group take part in the assaults on settlements. Mariupol is still fresh. And Ukraine, including thanks to our selective attacks, is being pumped up with various weapons, which have already been quite modern lately, the training of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues abroad and the flow of mercenaries does not dry out. How can you not remember television news.

Since March, these people have been sent by the thousands to Valhalla, but there are regular reports of foreign units in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, in this case, of course, soldiers of fortune smell money and unforgettable sensations. Another thing is that for the sixth month we have not been able to defeat homosexuals, abnormals and drug addicts, judging, again, according to the domestic media, this is already alarming.

In my opinion, the Russian military is pushing the enemy to the limit. There, at the front, everything that is already involved. Moreover, “everything that is” was limited to artillery and armored vehicles, and that is not very fresh. Clearly visible are the rates of reduction in combat missions of the army aviation. Regular attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to attack outside the DPR speak of a completely acceptable and free existence of the enemy’s ground army units.

You can’t really say anything new about UAVs, all we have now is plugging gaps, and there is no longer a difference: Iranian ones will be drones or Honduran.

You can talk about this for a very long time, there are enough mistakes, no one is responsible for anything. Sometimes it seems like something like this: “Well, it didn’t work out of the blue, we’ll improvise.” Here, as if involuntarily, the thought arises that the main crime both in peacetime and in wartime is a lie.

Actually, I write without vehemence, I continue to think in the usual way. Sometimes I am visited by a feeling of misunderstanding and anger from that mediocre (sometimes with notes of sabotage) conduct of a special operation. Now, five months later, you can already understand why we have misses. The conclusion is disappointing: the reason is false reports, fictitious results.

Deliberate lying is the heaviest crime.

Do you remember Leo Tolstoy's story "Hadji Murad"? On a deforestation in Chechnya, a stray bullet from nowhere hits a Russian soldier in the stomach. Report to the authorities: "A hundred highlanders attacked, the enemy was killed in a bayonet counterattack, we have one killed soldier, with a bullet in the stomach."

This is our long tradition - to hang noodles on the ears of the authorities.

How to fix? Burn with hot iron. Heavy articles of responsibility and real landings, long terms. Do not lie to yourself and deceive others. And everything will be fine, even if not in this life.
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  1. -41
    17 August 2022 11: 05
    but at the same time, 65% would also approve of his intention to stop the special operation and sign a peace agreement.
    Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals! fool
    1. +29
      17 August 2022 11: 17
      Deliberate lying is the heaviest crime.
      And they don’t lie to us - they don’t tell us anything! No.
      1. -14
        17 August 2022 15: 43
        The author of the article seems to be offering to surrender .. Everything is bad, everything is wrong and so on .. And without mobilization there is nowhere and the military-industrial complex does not work and other hypocritical nonsense .. In general, Strelkov re-login!
      2. +6
        18 August 2022 04: 44
        Uncle Lee:

        —- How, unfortunately, not to remember the immortal "A mistake is worse than a crime!"

        ---"Never stop an enemy who makes a mistake!"

        Napoleon
    2. +1
      17 August 2022 11: 21
      Explain specifically. Who are liberals? Who belongs to them?
      1. -19
        17 August 2022 11: 48
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Explain specifically. Who are liberals? Who belongs to them?

        If you are for negotiations and do not want to understand anything, then you. request
        1. +38
          17 August 2022 20: 08
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          Explain specifically. Who are liberals? Who belongs to them?

          If you are for negotiations and do not want to understand anything, then you. request

          If I am for the absence of negotiations and for victory, but if, like the author, I see the complete failure of the General Staff, the highest command level, the inability of the military to plan military operations?
          When are the "battles for collective farms" really in the reports?
          90% of all the names of settlements for which the meat grinder has been going on for 6 months are smaller than the usual urban microdistrict.
          How's that?
          Is this the best army in Europe that is ready to fight NATO alone?
          When did the Ukrainians, as a result of ongoing actions, become so bold that they destroy our airfields and our energy infrastructure? On the territory of the Russian Federation, and we have not a single power line and not a single power plant and not a single cell tower?
          When 15 elusive MLRS terrorize all our aircraft located in the database zone and their headquarters?
          Is this normal?
          I see a complete failure in SVO.
          When a problem occurs, it is sorted out, all the actions that led to such a fiasco are studied.
          But.
          In our VVU, this is not accepted.
          The trouble is that if it goes on like this, we will lose even to Ukraine.
          And we will only have 2 options.
          Agree to peace on their terms or fight to the last soldier and then there will be no one to agree.
          This is what long-term admiration of Carbon Power, the science fiction channel "Zayezda", tank biathlons and air darts leads to. Unbridled hatred and yelling.
          Drunken fun just the last 10 years was.
          You will have a severe hangover.
          1. -33
            17 August 2022 21: 32
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Is this the best army in Europe that is ready to fight NATO alone?

            If you do not understand that we have been at war with all of NATO for half a year, then you are a liberal. And don't lie:
            I am for the absence of negotiations and for victory,
            recourse
            1. +45
              17 August 2022 22: 45
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              If you do not understand that we have been at war with all of NATO for half a year, then you are a liberal.

              Please explain your idea. It's not the first time I've heard that we are at war with the entire terrible NATO bloc. But I would like more specifics and numbers. How many hundreds, thousands (or tens of thousands?) of NATO soldiers are already fighting on the territory of Ukraine? How many dozens of modern NATO air defense systems of the "Patriot" type are already in Ukraine? How many hundreds of "Abrams" are already fighting in Ukraine? How many MLRS systems (except for the well-known 15)? OTRK? How many NATO ships ply the Black Sea? How many submarines? How many NATO aircraft have already transferred to Ukraine? Bombers? Stormtroopers? Fighters?
              All of the above, if available in Ukraine, can be counted on one hand. And it's called "we are at war with all NATO"? You need to be more careful with common journalistic clichés. Because any question of an opponent can confuse.
              1. -28
                18 August 2022 07: 24
                Quote from: skeptick2
                And this is called "we are at war with all NATO"? Common journalistic clichés need to be handled with care. because any the opponent's question can be confusing.
                Do not write nonsense.
                To get to a dead end, you still need to find an opponent. If you do not want to see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the best army in Europe, trained by NATO instructors, trained according to NATO standards, stuffed with communications equipment and provided with real-time information from NATO radio and optical-electronic intelligence, including satellites and aviation, then nothing will help you . request NATO operators are on the launchers and guidance systems of the NATO complexes. It was they who drowned Moscow. And now they are training minced meat on the territory of NATO countries. And it makes no sense to give tanks, NATO planes to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they will burn like rags soaked in gasoline, and there are not so many of them. "Petriot" is a sincere prodigy (I don't know what it is, but it's clear that it's sticky and smelly).
                How many hundreds of "Abrams" are already fighting in Ukraine?
                fool I understand that you are from the USA, lost your way? feel This crap is for a dry climate, and then all of Iraq is littered with them, scrap metal. Leopard is suitable for Ukraine, but it also burns well, the Turks showed it, but do the Germans need it?
                1. +24
                  18 August 2022 17: 01
                  "If you do not want to see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the best army in Europe, trained by NATO instructors, trained according to NATO standards"
                  oh how! just yesterday, you and people like you were shouting here about the ukroreich, consisting of drug addicts, pederasts and randomly mobilized passers-by, armed with rusty Kalashnikovs and T62s without fuel, and now, suddenly, the best army! you change quickly. do you want to say that the tireless worries of Putin and Shoigu, countless billions, all these parades and biathlons passed by, and our army is worse armed, organized, and controlled than the Ukroreich?
              2. +8
                18 August 2022 12: 50
                Quote from: skeptick2
                How many hundreds, thousands (or tens of thousands?) of NATO soldiers are already fighting on the territory of Ukraine?

                I humbly remind you that BOTH sides are on the attack Anecdotal by the standards of WWII, the number of infantry is up to a company. No more ...
                Zhukov would cry when he learned that the devil's front was of what length and complexity - they held 2 hulls (!!!) NM.
                Not 2 fronts, not 2 armies...
                ".... went on the offensive with forces up to a platoon with the support of a tank ..."
                1. Eug
                  +2
                  18 August 2022 20: 56
                  Google "Barn Fights and
                  gardens on the outskirts of the village of Zherebtsovo" - this is on the theme of the Great Patriotic War, the battles for Rzhev.
            2. +12
              18 August 2022 00: 44
              We are at war with NATO-backed Ukraine with weapons, money, and, most importantly, intelligence and military advisers.
              No more.
              If we met the same Poland in Ukraine, it would be a disaster for us.
              Simply because of the numerical superiority of the Polish army, because of its saturation with MLRS and heavy artillery, because of its fifty new fighters integrated into the NATO AWACS system.
              Of course, I deliberately bracketed Russia's tactical nuclear weapons, but "as is" our allied grouping would not have lasted even a month against Poland there.
              1. +33
                18 August 2022 00: 53
                I agree. But then it should be said like this - "We are at war with Ukraine, supported by NATO", and not "we are at war with all of NATO." These are different things.
                1. +13
                  18 August 2022 02: 48
                  Well, from TV people are inspired by the latter.
                  That they are about to abandon Ukraine, that it will capitulate, and so on and so forth.
                  But no one wants to say what will happen when the military industry and the Lend-Lease program for Ukraine start working in the United States.
                  When these same Himars and MLRS go there in tens or even hundreds.
                2. -6
                  18 August 2022 04: 46
                  what on the forehead, what on the forehead .... In the Second World War, the Nazis were supported or fought on their side!?
              2. -9
                18 August 2022 11: 29
                We are not at war, but the NWO is on. It is called so because it has a very limited scope. There are no serious blows to infrastructure, food warehouses, most of the army is not involved.
                And the goals of the operation are quite limited, with minimal means to force Ukraine to surrender. The pressure goes primarily to its sponsors. That is why there are no offensives, tank breakthroughs, etc., since there is no task to capture the entire territory and reach the Polish borders.
                Perhaps if the goal is not achieved by the spring, then the format of hostilities will change.
              3. -2
                18 August 2022 13: 14
                That is, we compare the entire army of Poland, only with a single grouping of the RF Armed Forces, we do not compare with the entire army?
                1. +3
                  18 August 2022 15: 10
                  Do you think it is expedient to transfer the entire army of the Russian Federation there? To please the Japanese and everyone else?
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            3. +21
              18 August 2022 07: 23
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Is this the best army in Europe that is ready to fight NATO alone?

              If you do not understand that we have been at war with all of NATO for half a year, then you are a liberal. And don't lie:
              I am for the absence of negotiations and for victory,
              recourse

              Yeah...
              I'll expand a bit.

              When a manager, at any level, makes mistakes, he can: a sign of the fact of a mistake, figure out where and how and why he did not allow it and correct it.
              Or maybe start looking for excuses for this mistake.
              The stars did not align there, or the grenades of the wrong system.
              You are very pleased to justify.
              You invented a fly and inflates an elephant out of it.
              You are at war with everything NATO.
              And where then are more than 500 NATO aircraft?
              Where are almost a thousand NATO tanks?
              Where are hundreds of thousands of NATO soldiers?
              There is nothing.
              Units.
              But you really want to justify yourself.
              Through deceit and substitution.
              1. 0
                19 August 2022 11: 54
                I would like to clarify:
                On the territory of Ukraine there is a proxy war between the Russian Federation and NATO + Australia, Japan, and the devil knows how many state and transnational structures.
                Ukraine supplies motivated and not very cannon fodder.
                Conditional NATO supplies satellite and other communications, intelligence, weapons, loans, transplantologists and other material assistance.
                We have now reached a point of balance.
                Ukraine has more mobilized soldiers, parity in Soviet armored junk, less aviation, a patchy advantage in modern technology. (And great potential in terms of a possible expansion of arms supplies.)
                In light of this, the key contradiction of the moment:
                Do we need to catch up with the Ukrainian troops in terms of numbers, or level the technological gap?

                The fate of the state will depend on the solution of this issue.
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            4. +26
              18 August 2022 10: 22
              If you do not understand that we have been at war with all of NATO for half a year, then you are a liberal. And don't lie:

              You are now speaking in the same way as the Ukrainian channels for 8 years, who claimed that they were at war with Russia, having fought with the miners.
              You will absolutely not name a single NATO combat unit that is at war with our army, but you are repeating abracadabra about liberals and "we are at war with NATO."

              If we were at war with NATO, then AWACS aircraft would constantly hang around the entire perimeter and hundreds of five "useless" F-35s, together with six to seven hundred F-15s, F-16s and Rafaleys, would land our hundred Su-35s and hundreds of Su -34 in a week, if not earlier. It’s not for you to drive twenty ancient MiG-29s, everything would have been like an adult there, not like on biathlons and on TV.
              1. +2
                18 August 2022 13: 06
                I mentioned one Polish army above.
                After all, if ours collided with them in Ukraine, this would also be very serious.
                I think the Poles would start to arrange environments and boilers for us. At the same time quickly.
          2. -17
            18 August 2022 03: 01
            In general: "Chief, everything is gone!!! The plaster is being removed!!! The client is leaving!!!"?
          3. -6
            18 August 2022 05: 15
            SovAr238A:

            —- I, too, according to the general results after half a year of the war, can think of any shortcomings, mistakes and criminal negligence of the generals.

            —- But without facts - this is fantasy, alarmism.

            —- Shoigu, Surovkin… - supporters of nepotism and incompetence, cutting funds and lack of strategic vision Rudskaya and Mizintsev, Yevkurov… are they lying like careerists? Are you serious?

            —-The results correspond to the objective reality.. quantitative and qualitative state of the Russian Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine involved in the war.
          4. +1
            18 August 2022 15: 00
            They designated their own with restrictions on the affected objects. Remove restrictions, destroy infrastructure.
      2. -16
        17 August 2022 13: 07
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Explain specifically. Who are liberals? Who belongs to them?

        For example, Jan, and even Sokolovsky, is definitely a liberal. The entire recent history of the USSR, over the past 30 years, was written by Russian Jews, Poles and Western Ukrainians.
        Before reading an article, I check who the author is. The article itself, often, only confirms this idea.
        1. +26
          17 August 2022 16: 04
          All the same, explain what the ideology of the liberals is, otherwise it turns out who doesn’t like who, then throws a lump of g ... and accuses them of being liberal. In my opinion, there are traitors to Russia, there is the ruling elite, and there are opposition-minded people who point out the authorities to their miscalculations and theft, but at the same time they are for Russia. And there are also jingoistic patriots who, whoever they don’t like, are the liberals. So cheers-patriots are much worse than liberals.
          1. -10
            17 August 2022 20: 16
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            All the same, explain what the ideology of the liberals is,
            Briefly and fundamentally. Liberals are scum who believe that a person has rights and the state is obliged to provide them, but there are no obligations of a person to the state.
            In my opinion, there are traitors to Russia, there is the ruling elite, and there are opposition-minded people who point out the authorities to their miscalculations and theft, but at the same time they are for Russia.
            But what is this? There are traitors both in power and among officials, and among the intelligentsia.
          2. +17
            17 August 2022 21: 44
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            . In my opinion, there are traitors to Russia, there is the ruling elite, and there are opposition-minded people who point out the authorities to their miscalculations and theft, but at the same time they are for Russia. And there are also jingoistic patriots who, whoever they don’t like, are the liberals. So cheers-patriots are much worse than liberals.

            I completely agree with you, because they wrote concisely and to the point. I also think that the most bastard audience is jingoistic patriots. The problem is that almost all of them are deprived of critical thinking, because they go in the same direction. - in the mainstream. "Linked by one chain" - this is just about them.
            1. -11
              18 August 2022 08: 02
              Quote: Damir Zakirov
              So cheers-patriots are much worse than liberals.
              These are cheers-patriots. "Linked by one chain" - this is just about them.
              liberals are a swamp rotting on pro-Western ideas, corrupt ones .... and.
              1. +2
                18 August 2022 15: 01
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Quote: Damir Zakirov
                So cheers-patriots are much worse than liberals.
                These are cheers-patriots. "Linked by one chain" - this is just about them.
                liberals are a swamp rotting on pro-Western ideas, corrupt ones .... and.

                This is how you famously remake quotes? Here only the third sentence is mine, but where do the first two come from?

                And why did you decide that I'm a liberal? I'm faster oppositionist than a liberal or jingoist.
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          3. -7
            17 August 2022 23: 49
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            there are traitors to Russia, there is the ruling elite, and there are opposition-minded people ... And there are also jingoistic patriots
            Simplicity is worse than theft. With power you have too easy. In the second half of the 80s and 90s there was one power - liberal (comprador), which surrendered the USSR and surrendered the Russian Federation. Today the power is different - patriotic (imperial): Russia is gaining strength and expanding its borders. Further - more: you have no liberals and no patriots; there are only opposition-minded people and jingoists. And traitors, in your opinion, from which category do they come out more often? Navalny, Shenderovich, Feigin, etc. - "opposition-minded people, but at the same time they are for Russia," or maybe they are "jingo-patriots"? There are no liberals, or you don’t know anything about them, but you know for sure that they are worse than jingoists. How everything is running ... Know yourself, analyze your ideas and the "ideology of the liberals" will become clearer.
            1. -8
              18 August 2022 00: 37
              Quote: sniperino
              you know for sure, they are worse than jingoists
              Sorry, this is private. Of course, you are sure that the worst of all are jingoistic patriots, and those who "indicate the authorities to their miscalculations and theft" are the smartest and most correct. Only in Gorbachev and Yeltsin they did not see miscalculations and theft, but today they broke through.
            2. +14
              18 August 2022 10: 43
              Navalny, Shenderovich, Feigin, etc. - "opposition-minded people, but at the same time they are for Russia", or maybe they are "cheers-patriots"?

              And let's be honest about who the liberals are and who is in power. For example, unsinkable until February, Chubais is a liberal, Manturov, Nabiulina, Siluanov, Kudrin, and others are also liberals, at least they consider themselves to be such.
              Liberals are in favor of the oligarchs and the oligarchic system, and the current leadership of the country consistently defends them. Navalny Shenderovich is the same for the oligarchs and they have no differences with our government in this.
              We are against the oligarchs and the oligarchic system, and this is our main difference from the liberals.

              And cheers, patriots are those who, while supporting liberals, call liberals those who are actually against liberals.
              1. -6
                18 August 2022 11: 29
                Quote: ramzay21
                Navalny Shenderovich is the same for the oligarchs and they have no differences with our government in this.
                Well, for sure, Navalny is sitting, Shenderovich dumped, like the oligarchs (these are rich people who first had power in the Russian Federation, and then - since the 2000s - tried to put pressure on the authorities, and not just rich people, a little something): Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, etc. Where are they? Is it all because of the lack of disagreement with the authorities? It would be more logical to assume that the oligarchs remained only in the minds of those to whom they pay extra.
                1. +5
                  18 August 2022 12: 24
                  Well, for sure, Navalny is sitting, Shenderovich dumped, like the oligarchs (these are rich people who first had power in the Russian Federation, and then - since the 2000s - tried to put pressure on the authorities, and not just rich people, a little something): Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, etc. Where are they? Is it all because of the lack of disagreement with the authorities? It would be more logical to assume that the oligarchs remained only in the minds of those to whom they pay extra.

                  I wonder how much it is necessary to consider the interlocutors stupider than yourself, telling such a blizzard?) Or are you a respected supporter of the liberals, do you think that those who live in the Russian Federation do not know about the squabbling at the beginning of the XNUMXs of the St. Petersburg (aka Gaidarovsky) and Moscow (aka Eltsensky) clans of oligarchs, or maybe you don’t think we know which of them eventually took power?
                  Or can you tell me that the President of the Russian Federation is not a liberal, so for a moment he called himself one
                  So yes - Hurray patriots are precisely the supporters of the liberal-oligarchic clan, the only thing worth clarifying is that the supporters of the Gaidar clan
                  And the guys from this clan pay you extra or not, you know better
                  1. -3
                    18 August 2022 21: 21
                    Quote from: User_neydobniu
                    I wonder how much it is necessary to consider the interlocutors more stupid than themselves, telling such a blizzard? ... Or can you tell me that the President of the Russian Federation is not a liberal
                    And you yourself, excuse me, do not consider human freedom one of the highest values, but consider yourself a thinking person? Here it is necessary to be determined, because only free people can think, and slaves do not need to think: they said - they did it and the head does not hurt. If a person has at least one thought of his own (not to be confused with fantasies and inner speech!), in order to think it, you need a lot of free time and a good library, or a community in which a born idea can be polished to a finished thought.
                2. +3
                  18 August 2022 19: 11
                  It would be more logical to assume that the oligarchs remained only in the minds of those to whom they pay extra.

                  If there are no oligarchs in your opinion, how can they pay extra?
                  I've always been interested in asking people like you. And how do Gusinsky, Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky differ from Abramovich, Potanin, Usmanov or Prokhorov?
                  And it is very interesting what do you think about what the neo-oligarch Abramovich did at all the negotiations in Istanbul, especially at the first ones, after which our troops were withdrawn from near Kyiv, and from the Sumy and Chernihiv regions?
                  Well, for sure, Navalny is sitting, Shenderovich dumped, like the oligarchs (these are rich people who first had power in the Russian Federation, and then - since the 2000s - tried to put pressure on the authorities, and not just rich people, a little something)

                  And that the brothers Rotenberg and Timchenko do not have influence on the government? Then how do they always manage to get the most huge government contracts and force the authorities to do something that is not in the interests of either Russia or our people?
                  1. -6
                    18 August 2022 20: 04
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    If there are no oligarchs in your opinion, how can they pay extra?
                    There are no oligarchs in Russia. They are available in a number of other countries.
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    And how do Gusinsky, Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky differ from Abramovich, Potanin, Usmanov or Prokhorov?
                    The fact that they did not give up their claims to power, and the latter limited themselves to the capitals they had.
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    it is very interesting what you think about what the neo-oligarch Abramovich did at all the negotiations in Istanbul
                    Was not interested. Do you have a version of how he influenced the course of negotiations? I understand that in order to influence the government, government decisions, the oligarch does not need to dangle through negotiations without results at the level of Medinsky; a call to Putin would be enough.
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    And that the brothers Rotenberg and Timchenko do not have influence on the government? Then how do they always manage to get the most huge government contracts and force the authorities to do something that is not in the interests of either Russia or our people?
                    I think the word "always" should be highlighted in red. Would you give "the biggest government contracts" to small businesses? These would not even build a bridge across the stinky river, not to mention the Kerch Strait. About "forcing the authorities" it would be necessary to be more specific, it seems to be the most important thing, but it is too vague. So what did they force the government to do?
                    1. +5
                      20 August 2022 01: 12
                      There are no oligarchs in Russia. They are available in a number of other countries.

                      Awesome news! Our country earned $2019 billion from the sale of raw materials in 500, of which only $100 went to the state budget, the remaining $400 billion were received by the oligarchs, who do not exist.
                      The fact that they did not give up their claims to power, and the latter limited themselves to the capitals they had.

                      The oligarchs in the process of seizing our property committed crimes described by the toughest articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
                      Explain how the embezzlement of state property on an especially large scale and the organization of premeditated murders carried out by Khodorkovsky differ from exactly the same embezzlement of state property on an especially large scale and the organization of premeditated murders carried out by Potanin, Prokhorov or Abramovich?
                      The fact that they did not give up their claims to power, and the latter limited themselves to the capitals they had.

                      How can one be the owner of most of the Russian economy and not seek to influence the authorities?
                      Not interested.

                      Because it doesn't work for you. Because the answer to the question of what Abramovich did at both closed interstate negotiations is obvious. He influenced the decisions of our delegation in his selfish interests, contrary to the interests of our country. The result with the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv, and from the Sumy and Chernihiv regions in exchange for nothing, and the loss of important positions militarily, is obvious to everyone who can think.
                      Would you give "the biggest government contracts" to small businesses?

                      The Stroygazmontazh company worked well even before it was stolen from the state by Rotenberg, and its services were ten times cheaper than after Rotenberg took possession of it. Moreover, the construction of the SP, Turkish Stream and SP-2 gas pipelines was only in the interests of the contractors.
                      In the interests of Russia, it was necessary to build LNG plants with berths in Murmansk, Novorossiysk and Kaliningrad, it would cost much less, create tens of thousands of jobs and gas exports would not depend on the Turks and Germans, which would now allow us to redirect our gas to Asian markets and receive many times more profit than now, and gain independence from the dictates of conditions by the Europeans.
                      1. -5
                        20 August 2022 01: 49
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        Our country earned $2019 billion from the sale of raw materials in 500, of which only $100 went to the state budget, the remaining $400 billion were received by the oligarchs, who do not exist.
                        How much was spent on hydrographic surveys, materials, wages of workers you are not interested in? And I'm not interested in your criminal investigations, send them to the UK or the prosecutor's office, if you really want to do something.
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        In the interests of Russia, it was necessary to build LNG plants
                        Do you need to buy LNG equipment and technologies, or are they given away for nothing? Are you an economist, or did someone sing to you about all these interests? To judge them confidently, you need some kind of education, no?
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        Abramovich is obvious in both closed interstate talks. He influenced the decisions of our delegation in his selfish interests, contrary to the interests of our country.
                        And how did he influence? What decision was obviously made in favor of his selfish interests? If nothing has burned out, then what is it about? About what oligarchs? There, in general, no one made decisions in anyone's favor: the level of decision-making is higher.
                      2. +5
                        20 August 2022 03: 23
                        How much was spent on hydrographic surveys, materials, wages of workers you are not interested in?

                        You also forgot to include in the costs the funds of Gazprom, which he spent on helping the German football club and contributions to the protection of animals in Germany. Hydrographic surveys laughing
                        And I'm not interested in your criminal investigations, send them to the UK or the prosecutor's office, if you really want to do something.

                        You tell this tale to someone more naive. For some reason, I have not seen criminal cases against the oligarchs, even against Alikperov, who supplies diesel fuel to the Armed Forces of Ukraine through Romania and pumps oil through Ukraine, paying money for armaments for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                        Do you need to buy LNG equipment and technologies, or are they given away for free?

                        But what about $150 billion for gas pipelines, but this money could not be spent on LNG? But NOVATEK spent and now sells gas at $2500 per thousand cubic meters, the income from which goes to the pocket of the oligarch, while Gazprom sells it for $400. Although you are unlikely to see a difference between 2500 and 400.
                        Are you an economist, or did someone sing to you about all these interests? To judge them confidently, you need some kind of education, no?

                        I always think with my own head and understand the economy very well, with a good education and experience.
                        And how did he influence? What decision was obviously made in favor of his selfish interests?

                        After negotiations in Istanbul, our troops withdrew from Kyiv, and Abramovich's assets in the west self-unblocked wassat The main thing is that you yourself believe in this version, as well as in the fact that there are no oligarchs now
                      3. -3
                        20 August 2022 08: 32
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        But what about $150 billion for gas pipelines, but this money could not be spent on LNG?
                        Like, this is our 150 billion, the Germans did not invest there? Or do they not care that cheap pipeline gas, that expensive LNG will go to Germany? Besides, aren't the equipment and technologies for LNG under sanctions? Or someone offers them to you?
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        Although you are unlikely to see a difference between 2500 and 400.
                        Go through the forest.
                      4. +3
                        20 August 2022 09: 53
                        Like, this is our 150 billion, the Germans did not invest there?

                        150 billion cost the joint venture, the Turkish Stream and the joint venture-2, which has turned into a pile of scrap metal. Of the German investments invested in SP-2, about 10 billion, which the Germans have already returned by freezing our assets.
                        Or do they not care that cheap pipeline gas, that expensive LNG will go to Germany?

                        I don’t give a damn about Germany, I don’t worry like the oligarchs and our government for the people of Germany, the interests of our country are closer to me. And it is in the interests of our country to sell gas for 2500 dollars and not for 400, as Gazprom is doing now. If Gazprom were to bet on LNG, it would earn about $200 billion more this year alone than it actually does. With this money, you can build 100 Yasen-M MAPLs or 800 frigates 22350 or 40 thousand T-14 Armata or 6500 Su-57 aircraft.
                        Besides, aren't the equipment and technologies for LNG under sanctions?

                        LNG equipment and technologies have been available to our country for the last 20 years, and Russian NOVATEK has built LNG plants.
                        For $150 billion spent on pipelines and in 20 years, it would be possible to build factories producing all the equipment for LNG, LNG terminals, connect gas pipelines to them and build our own 500 gas carrier tankers, modernizing our shipyards and creating tens or even hundreds of thousands of jobs .
                        As a result, they chose the worst path for Russia and what is beneficial for contractors, that is, Rotenberg and Timchenko. For the same reason, they did not conduct gas to Krasnoyarsk, choking on smoke, although this could have been done during the construction of another horror - the Power of Siberia.
                        Go through the forest.

                        That's what they always say when there are no arguments hi
                      5. -2
                        20 August 2022 12: 28
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        After negotiations in Istanbul, our troops withdrew from Kyiv, and Abramovich's assets in the west self-unblocked
                        Abramovich is spinning as if in a frying pan, saving his hard-earned money in European courts. It was about the export of grain from Ukraine, nothing more. Roma lobbies for the interests of Jewish owners of black soil in Ukraine
                        From the Ukrainian side, the agreement will be implemented by the military and the Jewish diaspora, which is multi-vector, diverse, but keeps its word, and Abramovich literally guarantees this “with his own head”, being in Istanbul and bringing all his capital and property there, including yachts and planes.
                        For this, Zelensky petitioned for an easing of the sanctions imposed on Roma. I don’t know, but I believe that he still hasn’t sued what he got pinched there. The assumption about the connection of Abramovich with the actions of our troops crosses out the blow to the Odessa port, which was inflicted at the same time. And in general, it is sucked from the finger to discredit the Russian government. They flooded Kyiv in the hope of a coup d'état, and not in order to storm this city, turned into a fortified area with civilians as human shields. Everything. The rest is malicious, unsubstantiated fiction.
                  2. +3
                    18 August 2022 21: 15
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    How do they always get
                    You are talking about E.V. Prigogine with the orchestra still forgot to mention
            3. +2
              18 August 2022 18: 20
              For me, Navalny, Shenderovich, Feigin are just traitors to Russia who pretended to be liberals. At the same time, they were fed by Western patrons.
              1. 0
                18 August 2022 20: 33
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                For me, Navalny, Shenderovich, Feigin are just traitors to Russia who pretended to be liberals.
                It's illogical. They would pretend to be jingoistic patriots and betray them further on the sly. Everything is better than slurping gruel in the camp, drinking in cafes instead of concert halls and fawning over every Ukronatsik in Kyiv, fearing that sooner or later they will win back on him both for his nationality and for his defeat.
            4. +3
              19 August 2022 06: 00
              Today the government is different - patriotic (imperial): Russia is gaining strength and expanding its borders.

              In fact, to be precise, NATO is gaining strength and territory, leaving no neutral states in Europe at all.
              We have been fighting for strategic sheds for half a year and are probing the possibility of concluding peace agreements through our oligarchs and not our Turks ..
              1. -3
                19 August 2022 12: 49
                Quote from tsvetahaki
                We are fighting for strategic sheds for half a year
                Is it about Mariupol, Melitopol, Kherson, Severodvinsk and other settlements? Like a strategist, not to say worse.
        2. kig
          +1
          20 August 2022 07: 10

          Jan, and even Sokolovsky, is definitely a liberal.

          There was such a psychiatrist named Lombroso, he argued that the propensity to crime can be determined by the appearance of a person. You've outdone him, congratulations. One last name is enough for you. What if it's a pseudonym? However, they do not beat on the passport, but on the face, this has long been known.
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 22: 14
            Quote: kig

            Jan, and even Sokolovsky, is definitely a liberal.

            There was such a psychiatrist named Lombroso, he argued that the propensity to crime can be determined by the appearance of a person. You've outdone him, congratulations. One last name is enough for you. What if it's a pseudonym? However, they do not beat on the passport, but on the face, this has long been known.

            The Russian world is being hit on the passport, if you haven't noticed. And such Sokolovskys will also be driven into barns according to their passports.
            1. kig
              0
              21 August 2022 02: 09
              Quote: Damir Zakirov
              The Russian world is hit on the passport

              Didn't notice. So far, some people react painfully to surnames. What's the next step? drive them into the barn preventively? What's up, don't be shy

    3. +36
      17 August 2022 11: 30
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals!

      Not everyone who approves of the intention to stop the special operation is a liberal. These may be relatives and friends of the fallen soldiers. Few people love protracted "small and victorious" ones. Especially when there is no tangible progress, but there are explosions of warehouses and airfields with dead people.
      The longer the CBO drags on, the more "liberals" there will be. Maybe that's the calculation.
      1. -32
        17 August 2022 11: 55
        Quote: Hyperion
        Not everyone who approves of the intention to stop the special operation is a liberal.

        Each. And no need to pretend to be a rag. Wife, son, daughter, mother, father.
        Quote: Hyperion
        "small and victorious"Few people love. Especially when there is no tangible progress, but there are explosions of warehouses and airfields with dead people.
        The longer the CBO drags on, the more "liberals" there will be.
        WHO talked about "small and victorious", only liberals fool in his philanthropic reasoning. The question is about the survival of Russia. We are at war not with Ukraine, but with the WEST. And the existence of our children depends on victory. No negotiations and intrigues of liberals!
        1. +47
          17 August 2022 12: 13
          We are at war not with Ukraine, but with the WEST
          If you are at war with the West, then why are you driving oil and gas to the West? Will you bomb the bayraktar factory in Ukraine?
          1. -7
            18 August 2022 09: 56
            Quote: Gardamir
            Will you bomb a bayraktar factory in Ukraine?

            And who refused? fool Missed. feel
          2. -1
            18 August 2022 11: 52
            Oil, gas, and everything in general are being driven to the West because the West pays with a currency that they have not yet learned how to print here. And China and India sell their goods only for foreign currency, because. they don't need rubles. If there is no currency, everything will fall apart here in a year.
            1. 0
              18 August 2022 17: 07
              Quote: TEX-50
              And China and India sell their goods only for foreign currency
              If you don't know why write. Russia trades with China, India and Iran in local currencies. We have already agreed with Turkey on the transition.
              1. 0
                19 August 2022 08: 40
                With China and India, the Russian Federation conducts trade mainly in US dollars. Leave this propaganda of yours miserable. Trading in local currencies is still only wishful thinking and shaking the air.
        2. +30
          17 August 2022 12: 15
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Each.

          Only the Sith make everything absolute. (c)
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          And no need to pretend to be a rag. Wife, son, daughter, mother, father.

          What: mom, dad, daughter, son? Can you speak clearly or just stigmatize those who do not agree with your "only true" point of view?
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          WHO spoke of "small and victorious", only liberals in their philanthropic reasoning.

          Why can't you love people? It's good to sit on the couch and yell: Forward to Victory!
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          We are at war not with Ukraine, but with the WEST. And the existence of our children depends on victory.

          Well, let's say you don't fight. If only in the comments...
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          No negotiations and intrigues of liberals!

          If they want "above", then there will be negotiations. And you will not be asked, and you make this decision, you will not go anywhere. Treat with understanding, and do not go to protest at the rally. And all why? Because "there" know better "how to".
        3. -19
          17 August 2022 12: 35
          Officially, the war has been declared to Western countries, moreover, what does the existence of Russia have to do with it?
          1. +8
            17 August 2022 16: 06
            Not announced. It's a lie.
        4. 0
          18 August 2022 09: 13
          Exactly, exactly, there is nothing to invent semitones here: both yours and ours. Either you are with us or against us.
        5. -2
          18 August 2022 20: 59
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          And the existence of our children depends on victory.
          It sometimes seems to me that only those who do not live or are not going to live in Russia do not understand this.
      2. +24
        17 August 2022 13: 32
        Quote: Hyperion
        Not everyone who approves of the intention to stop the special operation is a liberal

        Strictly speaking, in a normal country, this would be a patriot - anyone had unsuccessful non-special military operations, and anyone recorded losses and retreated. Americans have done this many times. The USSR was leaving the same Afghanistan.

        But here a problem arises. After the Libyan story, Sarkozy is under investigation. After Iraq 2003 Blair is under investigation. After the brilliant Desert Storm, Bush failed to win re-election. Fine prime ministers of Israel - Golda Meir, Menachem Begin - retired after the victorious but unpopular Special Military Operation Doomsday and the Lebanese Special Military Operation of '82. Churchill lost the election in the summer of 45, right during the Potsdam Conference.

        So here's the question. Who will be responsible for this "fixing losses"? The option to "lose elections" is not provided in Russia.
        1. +33
          17 August 2022 13: 41
          That is it. We do not like (as elsewhere, however) the power to recognize jambs. Oh how he doesn't like it. Well, it’s necessary - ordinary people will doubt the infallibility of the brightest minds ... And some are glad to be deceived themselves. Even thoughts do not admit that essentially the same people are sitting at the top, with all human weaknesses, multiplied by a long stay in power, and as a result of this - isolation from reality and perception of the world according to refined reports of near sycophants.
          1. -12
            18 August 2022 09: 21
            Look for the beam in your own eye. Who are you to publicly give such categorical assessments? Are you a great specialist? Do you have all the information? Do you know in detail the plans of our leadership and our opponents? Or did you just decide that your "brilliant mind" is so perfect that it can give estimates regardless of authority?
            1. -12
              18 August 2022 10: 27
              Quote: puzoter
              Who are you in general ... have you decided that your "brilliant mind" is so perfect that it can give assessments regardless of authorities?
              Did not recognize? It's Hyperion
              "Hyperion" is an epic, large-scale something that replaces reality.
              It cannot be brought back to reality, because it flies at the speed of light. And it drizzles a lot too.
              1. +5
                18 August 2022 11: 50
                Quote: sniperino
                "Hyperion" is an epic, large-scale something that replaces reality.

                This is from a book review by Dan Simons. Attributing a description of a book to a person is not comme il faut. When there is nothing to write about the case - get to the bottom of the nickname.
                1. -8
                  18 August 2022 12: 40
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  When there is nothing to write about the case - get to the bottom of the nickname.
                  And what to do if the nickname on the forum accurately reflects the work of the participant in the substitution of reality. Coincidence? When would not bpexal so flooded, no one would have paid attention to the nickname. Dolbonauts often encrypt their hidden position in their nickname. You're not the only one who gets screwed over by this.
                  1. +4
                    18 August 2022 12: 46
                    Quote: sniperino
                    So what to do

                    Take off your pants and run.
                    Quote: sniperino
                    if the nickname on the forum accurately reflects the work of the participant in the substitution of reality.

                    Where did you see the substitution of reality? On the contrary - I propose to take off the rose-colored glasses of jingoism and assess what is happening with a sober look.
                    And in general - Hyperion has many meanings. But you chose exactly what is closer to you, the "fighter against liberals", in terms of worldview. Which once again shows your bias and subjectivity.
            2. +8
              18 August 2022 11: 45
              Quote: puzoter
              Or did you just decide that your "brilliant mind" is so perfect that it can give estimates regardless of authority?

              "Appeal to authority" is a classic fallacy of logic. What authorities are you talking about? Is it not about those who, in the early days of the NWO, let columns forward without cover?
              You, monarchists, love to have a master, and look into his mouth, without doubting his genius. "Here comes the master - the master will judge us" (c)
              1. -4
                18 August 2022 15: 04
                You, dear, are a talker, and you are only hiding behind logic. You manage to get the sum without knowing all the terms.
                1. +3
                  18 August 2022 16: 01
                  The fact that people are in power, and people tend to make mistakes, is that not logical in your opinion? Or is such a concept as "bronzed" unknown to you?
                  And I didn't get any money. I just think that you need to be skeptical about all sorts of leaders there and not make perfect idols out of people.
        2. 0
          19 August 2022 13: 07
          Quote: Negro
          Quote: Hyperion
          Not everyone who approves of the intention to stop the special operation is a liberal
          Strictly speaking, in a normal country it would be a patriot.
          So here she is, a patriot with a capital "P"
          It’s just that the aunt was not lucky with the country, now she has only one hope left - for fuel shortages in a better world.
      3. -24
        17 August 2022 13: 47
        Quote: Hyperion
        Not everyone who approves of the intention to stop the special operation is a liberal. These may be relatives and friends of the fallen soldiers.
        What prevents them, if not to avenge their friend/brother themselves, then at least wish others to avenge the enemy for his death? Hint: is it not the liberalism of the brain?
        1. +17
          17 August 2022 14: 57
          Quote: sniperino
          then at least wish that others would take revenge on the enemy for his death?

          Maybe they don't want the same grief for others? After all, as they say: if you want revenge, dig two graves. From the other side, SUDDENLY, they also take revenge and shoot.
          Quote: sniperino
          Hint: is it not the liberalism of the brain?

          A hint from the manual? Anyone who does not agree - write down, without understanding, as liberals.
          1. -9
            18 August 2022 01: 06
            Quote: Hyperion
            A hint from the manual? Anyone who does not agree - write down, without understanding, as liberals.
            Not at all. Anyone who does not agree with me, I write down as opponents. And already among the opponents I single out different types: from those who are more competent in this matter than I am, to complete liberals who will lie to the end, spitting on logic and facts.
            1. 0
              18 August 2022 11: 56
              Quote: sniperino
              Anyone who does not agree with me, I write down as opponents.

              "The office writes" (c)
              Quote: sniperino
              from those who are more competent in this matter than I am, to complete liberals who will lie to the end, spitting on logic and facts.

              Oh, these liberals ... You see it everywhere. By the way, how do you position yourself? What is the opposite of a liberal called in one word?
              1. 0
                18 August 2022 17: 46
                Quote: Hyperion
                What is the opposite of a liberal called in one word?
                Patriot. And the opposite of a liberal is a conservative. Liberals are synonymous with collaborators.
                1. 0
                  18 August 2022 19: 05
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Patriot.

                  Hooray.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Liberals are synonymous with collaborators.

                  Again, black and white maximalism. Not all collaborators are liberals. Well, for example: Shkuro, the Kuban ataman. Can you call him a liberal? An ardent conservative and reactionary. That is, in your opinion, the opposite of a liberal. But also a collaborator at the same time.
                  1. 0
                    18 August 2022 22: 29
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    Not all collaborators are liberals. Well, for example: Shkuro, the Kuban ataman.
                    Quite right, collaborators are different: liberals and conservatives. Therefore, a liberal, not a liberal. To emphasize the difference from a liberal who went to fight as a volunteer for his freedom, or other people. Who are not among the collaborators - these are patriots. The Cossacks who went with the Germans to "liberate" Russia cannot be called patriots.
                    1. -1
                      19 August 2022 11: 12
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Therefore, a liberal, not a liberal.

                      A liberal is a contemptuous term for a liberal. This is the official interpretation. Therefore, "liberalist" cannot be synonymous with "collaborationist". And the "patriots" call a liberalist anyone who, in their opinion, thinks or does wrong.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Who are not among the collaborators - these are patriots.

                      Again wrong. Many of the white movement, laboring with the Nazis, considered themselves true patriots of the bakery empire. And the Soviet people were considered traitors and usurpers.
                      It all depends largely on the point of view. And not everyone who calls himself a patriot is a patriot in the full sense of the word. He thinks that he is a patriot, but in reality he is a weak-willed and dependent representative of the electorate, who "fluctuates along with the party line."
                      1. +1
                        19 August 2022 11: 59
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        And the "patriots" call a liberalist anyone who, in their opinion, thinks or does wrong. ... And not everyone who calls himself a patriot is a patriot in the full sense of the word. ... but in fact a weak-willed and dependent representative of the electorate, who "tosses along with the party line."
                        You worked on the topic of "patriotism" so well that I, a patriot in quotation marks, wanted to see the names of my patriotic contemporaries without quotation marks. Are they generally in a wide public space, or are they only presented here on VO incognito (hiding from the secret police under pseudonyms)? If it's not difficult, you could name two well-known patriots of modern Russia and two pseudonyms of forum participants whose comments seem to you to be an expression of real patriotism in discussions on socio-political topics. From whom to take an example?
                      2. 0
                        19 August 2022 12: 48
                        Quote: sniperino
                        that I - a patriot in quotation marks - wanted to see the names of patriots without quotation marks ... ... It's not difficult for you.

                        Difficult. I don't think in such simplified categories of dualism as "patriot or liberal". Therefore, I realize that there is no absolute patriot in Russia who would be recognized by everyone without exception. That Putin, that Strelkov - each of them has fans and haters. The same goes for forum members.
                        And the very definition of a patriot is rather vague. A patriot loves his country. But what will be good for the motherland - here everyone has their own ideas.
                        But more clearly you can define jingoistic patriots. You lick (thoughtlessly, blindly) the authorities, you don’t notice the shortcomings, you don’t want to correct them, but you only bawl bravura slogans - congratulations, a cohort of jingoistic patriots has arrived.
                      3. -1
                        19 August 2022 19: 00
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Difficult. I don't think in such simplistic terms...
                        They kicked off. For some reason, this is what I expected.
                      4. 0
                        19 August 2022 20: 32
                        Quote: sniperino
                        They kicked off. For some reason, this is what I expected.

                        What doesn't suit you? After all, you didn’t need examples of patriots to be equal to, but objects for comparison with your role models. And yours, from your point of view, would most likely turn out to be "more patriotic."
                        And then: I wrote above that it is not necessary to make idols out of people. One and the same person can express both sound and not very thoughts. Some things you can agree with, some things you can't. Therefore, I do not have indisputable authorities. Everyone needs to be questioned.
                      5. 0
                        20 August 2022 00: 11
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        After all, you didn’t need examples of patriots to be equal to, but objects for comparison with your role models. And yours, from your point of view, would most likely turn out to be "more patriotic."
                        Why do you bother, attributing to me some cheating motives with an ace in the hole. Everything is easier here. The easiest way to see something new in a topic that is significant to you is to find an opponent who can argue his point of view. Finding is difficult.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Everyone needs to be questioned.
                        Everyone is not needed, but everything significant is necessary. Although Descartes himself is not an indisputable authority for me, he quite rightly stated: “Dubito ergo cogito, cogito ergo sum”, which means: “I doubt, therefore I think, I think, therefore I exist.” Purely for the prevention of Alzheimer's disease.
                      6. 0
                        20 August 2022 11: 03
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Why do you bother, attributing to me some cheating motives with an ace in the hole.

                        Just don't say that you asked me for examples of patriots in order to start emulating them.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        The easiest way to see something new in a topic that is significant to you is to find an opponent who can argue his point of view.

                        And what does it have to do with examples of patriots? These are not arguments, but a cover by authorities. In this case, you do not perceive my arguments, but some "exemplary patriots."
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Everyone is not needed, but everything significant is necessary.

                        Each person has their own idea of ​​the significance of something / someone. Yes, the devil is in the details. Therefore, in order not to miss any significant trifle, it is better to be skeptical about everything.
                      7. 0
                        20 August 2022 11: 34
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Just don't say that you asked me for examples of patriots in order to start emulating them.
                        I will not. hi
            2. +3
              18 August 2022 18: 28
              Liber is from the word freedom. Initially it was understood that liberals are free-thinking and free-speaking people. Why those who disagree with the government were called liberals is a mystery. My version is to defame this very concept. As for me, in these circumstances there are people for and against Russia, regardless of whether they are mistaken due to illiteracy or not. Hurray patriots are also "liberals" because they harm Russia.
              1. 0
                18 August 2022 22: 46
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                Why those who disagree with the government were called liberals is a mystery
                With the government of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, the liberals were very much in agreement.
        2. +10
          17 August 2022 15: 40
          What prevents them, if not to avenge their friend/brother themselves, then at least wish others to avenge the enemy for his death?

          Here it should be clarified - to whom exactly to take revenge? With this, you know, not everything is clear.
          1. -10
            18 August 2022 01: 19
            Quote: UAZ 452
            What prevents them, if not to avenge their friend/brother themselves, then at least wish others to avenge the enemy for his death?

            Here it should be clarified - to whom exactly to take revenge? With this, you know, not everything is clear.
            This is not all ambiguous for you? As in Crimea for that "officer's daughter". You have Putin to blame for everything.
    4. +37
      17 August 2022 11: 45
      Nabiullina alone, with Siluanov and Manturov, is enough to lower the country to the very bottom, the deepest gorge. 5-10 people in power are enough. And most importantly, who shuffles them from morning to evening and from evening to morning with marked cards. One thing is that our middle class with 17 thousand rubles speaks of knowledge of their country and its people. We trade further.
    5. +24
      17 August 2022 12: 00
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals!

      This is the data of the national sociological office Russian Field. It seems that they are not a foreign agent, they claim to be independent, they write to themselves that they are not financed by big business or government agencies. But I don't know anything about them at all.
      This particular study "was conducted by telephone survey on July 28-31, and involved 1609 respondents in eight federal districts. The authors of the study warn that its results on a number of questions about what is happening in Ukraine may not coincide with the real situation, since "Russians are afraid to speak on this topic - refusals increased, sincerity decreased.
      1. +1
        17 August 2022 17: 06
        Good afternoon.

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals!

        This is the data of the national sociological office Russian Field. It seems that they are not a foreign agent, they claim to be independent, they write to themselves that they are not financed by big business or government agencies. But I don't know anything about them."

        Dear Andrey, it's not about this office, but how these polls were organized, there were several of them. There is one very interesting person there, in my opinion such a "modern O. Bender." They call him Katz Maxim Evgenievich, still that "rogue", they talk about such" with such talents and still at large".
      2. +1
        18 August 2022 07: 39
        Everything according to the manual - immediately the statistics were found ...
        1. 0
          18 August 2022 19: 06
          Quote: Don Analyst
          Everything according to the manual - immediately the statistics were found ...

          I think that the text was made according to the results of statistics, and not the statistics were later "found" according to the training manual.
          The survey and the results were covered a few days ago, and the author's reflections later ....
    6. +5
      17 August 2022 13: 36
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals!

      You're right. We have 86 percent of people who agree with any decision of the authorities, not 65.

      And as for the "liberals" - I suspect that these are some kind of bad people. So, bad people FOR a special military operation and mobilization - of course, taking into account the expansion of assistance to Ukraine from the West. The higher the price Russia pays, the better for bad people.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 15: 31
        A poll by the Russian Field research group, along with political figure Maxim Katz, on March 5-7 is the first thing that a search engine gave out on reviews. All these bullshit polls are replicated by a sump merchant, whose foreign mercenaries are "volunteers".
      2. +9
        17 August 2022 18: 50
        The higher the price Russia pays, the better for bad people.

        What will be the price for the termination of NWO, in your opinion?
        Let's say the NMD is unilaterally terminated and the troops are withdrawn (such a decision has been made).
        Questions:
        - Are troops being withdrawn from the territory of Donbass and Crimea too?
        - Is there any contribution to be paid?
        - the extradition, for example, of LDNR officers?
        And most importantly, what positive effect will these actions have for Russia, in your opinion?
        1. +3
          17 August 2022 20: 50
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          And most importantly, what positive effect will these actions have for Russia, in your opinion?

          You see, there are no positive effects to speak of. It's about fixing losses. At present, the leadership of the Russian Federation seems to believe that serious expenses (greetings from the West) have already been incurred and nothing can be returned, and current expenses (expenditure of personnel and materiel) are insignificant. So it won't be any worse than now. If there are considerations that it will still be worse, then the question of price will be appropriate. Including the rest of your questions.
          1. +10
            17 August 2022 21: 16
            Preventing the worsening of the current situation is also a positive effect, albeit limited. As you put it: "Russia pays the price."
            I, in fact, was interested in comparing the price of ending the NWO and its continuation.
            The problem is, perhaps, that the termination of the NMD is now possible only in the format of recognizing a direct military defeat on the terms of the enemy (actual surrender). In principle, the "former partners" will not allow any other conditions to be implemented. And yes, nothing will be returned anywhere, and the sanctions will not be lifted (those that were burdensome for them have already been carefully adjusted).
            I'm afraid to imagine the consequences of such a "fixation of losses", to be honest.
            1. +9
              17 August 2022 22: 33
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              I, in fact, was interested in comparing the price of ending the NWO and its continuation.

              Neither the continuation nor the end of the SVO is something important for the leadership of the Russian Federation. The end of the SVO, on the one hand, will stop the expenditure of personnel and materiel, and on the other hand, it will cause some psychological discomfort for some great geopoliticians. Until one is worth the other.

              This state of affairs can continue for quite some time. For example, the Iranian-Iraqi special military operation lasted 8 years. Despite the fact that there were no military successes after a successful start for Iraq at that time either. In brackets, I note that Saddam acted reasonably - he started talking about the end of the special military operation as soon as the relatively successful offensive of the first days ran out of steam. You don't see this every time.

              A change in today's balance is possible in two opposite cases. The first is the fatigue of one of the parties. Russia (sanctions will begin to affect the economy, including the military-industrial complex), Ukraine (all these stories about the grinding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have something to do with reality) or the West (all these stories about a cold and hungry winter have something to do with reality) . The second is a fundamental change in the military balance. Either the RF Armed Forces hit the ground and turn into the Invincible and Legendary, or vice versa, a military force appears on the fields of the Special Military Operation, sharply surpassing in its capabilities everything that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have shown until today. Including ready and obviously capable of expanding the geography of the Special Military Operation in undesirable directions.

              Well, or just enough time passes, the senselessness of what is happening begins to tire everyone, and the time comes to declare their victory and get out of this Mr. Vietnam, Afghanistan USSR, Afghanistan USA etc.
              1. +3
                18 August 2022 07: 06
                Quote: Negro
                exhaustion (...) of Ukraine (all these stories about the grinding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have something to do with reality) or the West (all these stories about a cold and hungry winter have something to do with reality).

                Well, this is what those who drown for the continuation of the NWO are counting on. Formally, this option is not excluded. Formally, Russia, although 200-300 meters a week, is moving towards it, and not away from it. And if he does, the military costs will be paid off (subjectively, of course) by military acquisitions.
                1. +7
                  18 August 2022 08: 01
                  Quote: military_cat
                  military costs will be paid off (subjectively, of course) by military acquisitions.

                  If anyone "these 8 years" was conscious, then talk about military acquisitions in the context of Donbass causes only nervous laughter.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Well, this is what those who drown for the continuation of the NWO are counting on.

                  Or they closed their eyes and shouted "I'm in the house."
                  1. 0
                    18 August 2022 08: 38
                    I don’t presume to judge my own awareness, but, in my opinion, eight years of bambas were not about military acquisitions. They were a plan to shove (through “federalization”) a lever into the management of Ukrainian politics in order to block any attempts by Ukraine to move towards the West. It didn't work, so they switched to another plan. I fully admit that this is how those who drown for the NWO see the situation.

                    Those who close their eyes do not drown for anything, but pretend that nothing is happening until they are directly pestered with questions.
                    1. +1
                      18 August 2022 09: 08
                      Quote: military_cat
                      bambas were not about military acquisitions, they were a plan to shove (through "federalization")

                      OK. Have you welded a lot in the sacred Crimea?
                      1. +2
                        18 August 2022 09: 20
                        Well, I emphasized two more comments ago that fat is ultimately determined subjectively. It can be proved that the balance on the account did not increase from Crimea, but decreased, but in principle it is impossible to prove that Crimea is not sacred.
                      2. +3
                        18 August 2022 19: 29
                        Mom dear!), I see this discussion on VO ?!
                        Negro, military_cat, Ryazanets87, - thanks, you return my faith in the community of this site, all the pluses, it’s a pity you can’t 10.
                      3. 0
                        20 August 2022 09: 32
                        Quote: Sofkar
                        thank you, restore my faith in the community of this site,

                        I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet.
                      4. +1
                        20 August 2022 09: 50
                        Quote: Negro
                        I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet

                        This is not your merit, this is our flaw

                        (c) not mine laughing
                  2. +2
                    18 August 2022 18: 34
                    For 8 years, Russia has been trying to push the Donbass into Ukraine. On your own terms, of course. Did not work out. And then the red lines along NATO also arrived. So they recognized the DPR-LPR and then the war, which was limited by the NWO, and who knows in what format of territories it will end and how many people will die. And how many died? Who knows? So: with such opinions, am I a liberal or not?
              2. -6
                18 August 2022 08: 49
                Quote: Negro
                the senselessness of what is happening begins to tire everyone and it is time to announce their victory and get out of this Mr. Vietnam, Afghanistan USSR, Afghanistan USA
                Didn't confuse anything? In Vietnam, did the USSR, and not the USA, screw up? Maybe it's a Ukrainian history textbook...
                1. +5
                  18 August 2022 09: 00
                  In the phrase you quoted, two cases of flight, excuse me, two victories in Afghanistan were separated. The mention of the USSR did not apply to Vietnam.
                  But yes, since we're talking. After the Americans, Mao tried to carry out a special military operation in Vietnam - however, unlike the Americans, he did not resist and reeled in his fishing rods almost immediately.
                  1. +4
                    18 August 2022 13: 49
                    Mao died in 1976, the military clash between the SRV and the PRC is 1979, when power gradually passed from Hua Guofeng, Chairman of the CPC Central Committee and Premier of the State Council, to Deng Xiaoping, Vice Chairman of the CPC Central Committee. At that time, perhaps, Dan was already a more influential figure.
                    1. +1
                      18 August 2022 14: 09
                      )))
                      you are right, thanks
        2. +2
          19 August 2022 12: 22
          I accept your concerns.
          I ask you to analyze, at least on the basis of the historical experience of Russia, even on the modern experience of hybrid wars and color revolutions, the mechanisms of military defeat and our victories. The defeat in the Crimean War showed the rottenness and impotence of feudal Russia, but led to the modernization of the country. The defeat in the First World War became a systemic collapse with the collapse of the empire.
          The victory in the Great Patriotic War was won due to the mobilization of the rear, resource and technological superiority.
          Of course, a normal person cannot wish for the defeat of his country.
          But pretending that everything is fine when "the British do not clean their guns with bricks" is also a way of betraying their country.
          Our technological gap is obvious.
          The patriotic position is the desire to eliminate our technological backwardness.
          Personally, I don’t care if the bureaucrat will be given a hero’s star because the hungry engineers will create new weapons, or the oligarch will build a palace on kickbacks for the weapons created, if only this weapon would lead us to victory with minimal losses. But, if the bureaucrat receives an order, but there will be no weapons, the oligarch will buy a yacht, but there will be no weapons - that will be a real collapse.
      3. +1
        20 August 2022 08: 59
        Quote: Negro
        We have 86 percent of people who agree with any decision of the authorities, not 65

        Specify, "with you" - is it "out" or in Matrasia?

        Ukroamerican you are ours Yes

        The new manner of the trolls is "to mow under your own." New, only the holes in it are old request
        1. +1
          20 August 2022 09: 35
          Golovan, I'm not interested in you. You also need to know how to troll.
          1. +2
            20 August 2022 09: 47
            Quote: Negro
            You also need to know how to troll

            Well, you don't know how. But keep climbing.

            So nevertheless: where exactly "you"? laughing

            Raise your same words about the "great states" and "Ridna outskirts"? Lazy but possible Yes
    7. +7
      17 August 2022 15: 41
      And what about liberda? Although IMHO the king himself is the main liberal. But I'm not talking about that. In the question about stopping the SVO, not a word about the conditions under which they will stop ...
    8. -10
      17 August 2022 19: 54
      Without a doubt, the author of the article belongs to the fifth column.
    9. Eug
      0
      18 August 2022 18: 47
      Key point in signing
      peace agreement - under what conditions and with whom it will be signed. Without answers to these questions, talking "in general" about a peace agreement is inadequate.
  2. -24
    17 August 2022 11: 08
    Do not lie to yourself and deceive others

    Start with yourself. Forward and with a song by a correspondent from VO to the Donbass. We look forward to NOT false reports, NOT fictional results and NOT "successful" articles.
    1. -8
      17 August 2022 11: 31
      In my opinion, the article is not about everything is lost and bad. The main message of the article is that our leaders still have enough brains for the army and society to set feasible tasks. For a more global yes strength is not enough. I would not like to hear from those in power the words We will not stand behind the price.
      1. -20
        17 August 2022 11: 38
        Quote: ALARI
        For a more global yes strength is not enough.

        If there had not been an order to spare civilian infrastructure and population, little would have been left of Ukraine.
        1. +21
          17 August 2022 11: 47
          Words words. Even in war, someone and something interferes with us. This is not a computer game where the complexity is at a minimum. To win, you must first admit your mistakes and not say that everything is according to plan.
        2. +4
          17 August 2022 21: 21
          So what prevents it from plowing the fortified areas near the same Avdiivka? Ukraine has invented force fields that it is impossible to break into these areas with the help of artillery, or it so happened that our artillery is outdated, counter-battery work is outdated.
      2. +10
        17 August 2022 13: 14
        Quote: ALARI
        The main message of the article is that our leaders still have enough brains for the army and society to set feasible tasks

        Already wrote, but I will repeat. In my opinion, the delay in the so-called. NWO is beneficial primarily to the authorities of the Russian Federation. What did they face before the start of the war? With a catastrophic situation in the economy and the social sphere, with a drop in the ratings of the United Russia and the government itself, and, as an apotheosis against the background of all this, distrust. Now you can forget about the ratings, failures and outright theft in the economic sphere can be attributed to fierce sanctions and intrigues of enemies, but only the people also know how to think and ask questions. You can't pull indefinitely.
        1. +7
          17 August 2022 13: 19
          1905 is a small victorious war, it is also impossible to drag out the bolivar, maybe even that. And victory, coupled with the war, could write off a lot but did not grow together.
          1. +17
            17 August 2022 13: 23
            Quote: ALARI
            1905 is a small victorious war, it is also impossible to drag out the bolivar, maybe even that. And victory, coupled with the war, could write off a lot but did not grow together.

            So they (our authorities) found themselves in a stalemate. The initial plan (agreement) did not pass, and now they frankly do not know what to do. Hence the lack of decisiveness. And the delay, and the contradictory statements. In the economic sphere, nothing changes, instead of real substitution production, gray imports. So they are still thinking about a deal.
            1. +11
              17 August 2022 13: 32
              It is the mistakes not recognized that continue the old plan with minor amendments. Hence the bewilderment of many on what they hope for what will happen in six months. Throwing then negotiations, then no negotiations, some kind of gap in reality.
              1. -8
                18 August 2022 09: 41
                Quote: ALARI
                a break in reality
                Reality is whole, and farts some templates are torn
                1. +6
                  18 August 2022 10: 27
                  The reality is that we go there grain oil gas and on us missiles and mines and sanctions. These are not patterns but schizophrenia.
                  1. -6
                    18 August 2022 13: 19
                    Quote: ALARI
                    we go there grain oil gas and on us rockets and mines and sanctions
                    If the bandits have captured your relatives/friends and are holding them hostage, will you hand over food to your relatives, knowing that the bandits will cut them in half? Or you say, yes, let them all die there, realizing that your loved ones are the first in line for starvation.
                    1. +2
                      18 August 2022 14: 48
                      Moreover, your parallel, although it does not have an answer, and in scenarios 1 and 2, the result is one death. In addition, putting blood relatives and abstract albeit good people on the same level of life for a person is not true, the answer will be unambiguously known. I was not talking about the power of Ukraine, but about the ties of our country with Western countries. They are fighting with us with the hands of Ukraine, and we will support them with gas supplies, grains of oil.
                      1. -4
                        18 August 2022 18: 19
                        Quote: ALARI
                        Moreover, your parallel, although it does not have an answer, and in scenarios 1 and 2, the result is one death.
                        Can stopping the operation somehow stop the Nazis? Who will allow Zelensky to stop the Russian genocide in Ukraine or sabotage in our rear? Rather, they will genocide him himself. No, just complete demilitarization and denazification. In order not to happen again tomorrow, in a year, two or five years, it is necessary that at least one generation be born and grow up in a country where for a ridge, a swastika, "moskalaky on gilyak", "our father Bandera" can give a real term.
                      2. +2
                        18 August 2022 19: 28
                        I’m hands and feet, if they started, but without any if, otherwise some people die, others money in their pockets, they want to agree to push the goods to the enemies, this is beyond good and evil, and it’s not ours in small ranks. angry
          2. -2
            17 August 2022 14: 02
            Today everything will grow together because we do not have such a party.
        2. +1
          17 August 2022 14: 00
          "but only the people also know how to think and ask questions"
          Well, at least you explain what is the use of this? Here on this site we print what we think and ask questions. What was the result and what did it affect? Everyone wanted to spit on our thoughts and questions. And we will not do anything about this, because when it is necessary (the only question is who these people need), the law enforcement and judicial system, oh, how quickly and efficiently it works.
  3. +5
    17 August 2022 11: 11
    I think it's a little premature to speak in such a decadent spirit. Now the scales are swinging and should swing confidently in our direction in the near future. But if in another 3-4 months the situation at the front will be approximately the same as now, then yes, something is wrong in our Russian state ....
    1. +3
      17 August 2022 11: 17
      Just right. I think, at best, we will grind out the Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut line and that's it. To win, you need to start a partial mobilization, otherwise we will sit on the defensive.
      1. +11
        17 August 2022 11: 31
        To win, you need to start partial mobilization

        To win, you need to start fighting and are not afraid to strike at "peaceful" cities, roads, bridges and fortifications ...
        With the current policy of the General Staff, you can put up at least 146 million, and the result will be all the same gestures of goodwill and we do not shoot at "peaceful" people, even if they are at us from all guns
        1. -24
          17 August 2022 11: 59
          strange that not in the bath
          1. +11
            17 August 2022 12: 02
            strange that not in the bath

            What, do you want to ban everyone who does not throw their hats into the air? lol
            Oh well
            1. -17
              17 August 2022 12: 11
              throw. don’t throw it on the CBO, it won’t affect in any way
          2. +2
            17 August 2022 14: 04
            Will they issue a warning, so it will be at least a little easier for you?
            1. -6
              17 August 2022 14: 08
              no. will not
      2. -11
        17 August 2022 16: 29
        Quote from Ronrew
        Just right. I think, at best, we will grind out the Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut line and that's it.

        At one time, on Khasan, they hardly managed to get out to the border, then on Khalkhin Gol there were air battles with varying success. However, as a result, Hitler did not dare to attack Lithuania and the USSR in alliance with Poland, the Poles were offended by Hitler and began to poke around and pinch the intimate places of German women at customs in Gdansk. As a result, instead of a joint Japanese-German-Polish attack on the USSR, there was a German blitzkrieg in Poland and the liberation of Western Ukraine with Western Belarus from 20 years of Polish occupation. NATO's goal is clearly marked: the collapse of Russia, where Moscow is turning into a city with a backward industry without a market and without sources of raw materials and food, and Siberia and the Far East into raw materials territories without industry, food and the ability to defend their quasi-states. So, in order to be able to exist, the Russians must either win in Ukraine at any cost or go for an Anschluss with the PRC, having previously bled Ukraine as much as possible and devastated NATO arsenals so that the NATO-Russia confrontation does not instantly turn into a China-NATO confrontation ..
        1. +2
          17 August 2022 17: 03
          In general, I agree. Only usually the word "Anschluss" is mentioned from the negative side (Austria joining Nazi Germany). No matter how China joins us as a province. It's funny how many people want to get our territories: the "collective" West, China, Turkey, Japan, and small mutts like Latvia.
        2. ada
          +3
          18 August 2022 15: 00
          Quote: gsev
          NATO's goal is clearly defined: the collapse of Russia, where Moscow is turning into a city with a backward industry without a market and without sources of raw materials and food, and Siberia and the Far East into raw materials territories without industry, food and the ability to defend their quasi-states.

          I, of course, apologize for interfering, but NATA never had the goal of "destroying" us (the principle is different), but the participating countries and their satellites, yes, have a "eat". "Destroy" is a political and economic intermediate task of the governments and influential structures of these countries with a mandatory social orientation (collapse is an intermediate goal). Perhaps I should not interpret the essence of V-PBL in this form, well, I’ve already begun - I’ll continue.
          The food preferences and cooking of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, its taste preferences and the way of eating, within this military-political organism, forms a number of bodies and representatives of the invasive environment of the main participating countries. But, it is his OVS - the "dental apparatus" and the possibilities of the economy + social structure of these countries - the "kitchen stove", that determines the parameters of the "food" that they can cook, chew and swallow, that is, the military-economic potential. The size of the grin, of course, has a significant military-political projection and reflects desires, but it’s difficult to chew what you want beyond your capabilities, you can choke. That is, despite the bloc's characterization as a military-political and defensive alliance, its basis is always military, and the main goal is always military, and the military goal is always conquest (the way is fighting) and has physical and temporal parameters with the direct presence of military force: the size of the occupied territories and other resource base (including the number of people and ice), the front and depth of occupied areas and boundaries on earth in the air and space, in the sea and its depths (including for projection forces), and finally - timing. Only the taste and smell of "food" are political, and its assimilation is socio-economic and not equally for everyone. We omit the defense as an action that does not provide sufficient nutrition.
          Conclusion: NATO's goal is military acquisitionshow to say it? well, us, in general. crying
          One "collapse" is not enough, they will have to work with their jaws and stoke the stove. And what about the teeth? everything is in place? enough firewood? lope? what
          The chief, here nadys, announced for new generations - 20 years of armed struggle, I think that he is not exaggerating. winked
    2. +44
      17 August 2022 11: 22
      Quote: GREG68
      But if in another 3-4 months the situation at the front will be approximately the same as now, then yes, something is wrong in our Russian state ....

      So half a year is not enough for you? Need another 3-4 months?
      I looked into the crystal ball here - December 17, 2022: with an overwhelming superiority in artillery, using the tactics of a "fire shaft", our troops entrenched themselves on the outskirts of Slavyansk. 75% of the personnel of the brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed, the rest fled and deserted, the Teroboronists are recording videos of how bad they are! Our troops destroyed 10 ammunition depots, 15 headquarters and command posts, 2 hamers and 3 triaxes))), shot down 3 aircraft - one MiG-29 and two Su-25s, as well as 4 helicopters and 5 bayraktars! As a result of barbarous shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the center of Donetsk was damaged, 10 civilians were killed...
      And comments on VO - Hooray! What good news! Work brothers! Let's beat the Bandera scum! Let's process dill for minced meat!!! Hooray!!! am
      1. +20
        17 August 2022 11: 48
        Everything will be that way. Only not Slavyansk, but Soledar. Getting to Slavyansk by December would be a miracle.
        1. -3
          17 August 2022 13: 34
          Quote from Heaven
          Everything will be that way. Only not Slavyansk, but Soledar. Getting to Slavyansk by December would be a miracle.

          I'm an optimist laughing
          1. +1
            17 August 2022 14: 05
            You are very fantastic laughing
          2. -11
            17 August 2022 16: 46
            Quote from U_GOREC
            Getting to Slavyansk by December would be a miracle.

            I'm an optimist

            Everything will be determined by the number of Ukrainians killed. To defeat Germany, it took about 5 million Germans to be killed. The population of Ukraine is 2 times less, the number of children in Ukrainian families is not 3-4 as in German families under Hitler, but one child. That is, with the loss of 300 to half a million people, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be demoralized. Perhaps this can only be achieved by using nuclear weapons against the centers of power in Ukraine. But apparently our goal is half a million killed Ukrainians. The Ukrainian elite protect their West and do bloodletting in the East. Victory is determined by Putin's ability to put Russia on a war footing. So far, aircraft designers are not motivated in any way. Their salary is about 000 rubles. Cosmetologists in Russia are not satisfied with the salary of 50 rubles. But cosmetologists, when trying to transfer their business to Turkey, are faced with the fact that there are no jobs for cosmetologists there, and they can only be offered a job as a cleaner for 000 rubles. But aircraft designers and other engineers in Turkey are not losers, but respected and highly paid fellow citizens compared to household workers. Putin will be able to motivate the Russians as Erdogan will save both Russia and his power. If I were Putin, I would give Kadyrov and people from the North Caucasus, who have demonstrated their services to the state, the opportunity to finance the development of business and production in the Caucasus in the national republics. Currently, non-Russian residents of the Caucasus have access only to small consumer loans. The Grefs do not finance production in the North Caucasus and do not let foreign finance go there without a tribute of 150-000% in favor of the banks controlled by the Grefs.
            1. -1
              17 August 2022 19: 12
              Quote: gsev
              To defeat Germany, it took about 5 million Germans to be killed.

              Where is this data from? Do you mean only civilians?
    3. -16
      17 August 2022 12: 06
      Whether the scales swing or not, I don't know. But there is a feeling that the operation was deliberately slowed down. Cause? The fact that our army on the outskirts was met with grenade launchers? This apparently influenced the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv. The main reason seems to be to weaken the countries of the West. While the operation is going on, we are successfully trading. The West sends (albeit obsolete) weapons for recycling to the outskirts. They don’t have a lot of new weapons, and it’s problematic to set up production in a crisis. Nothing to heat up and generate electricity. It is not realistic to produce goods for export when prices rise. And apparently the task is to pull the rubber until spring. And there, either the donkey or the padishah will die. Therefore, there is no reason to drive horses. In Europe, despite the problems, someone talks about the return of territories. We have to wait until they start to divide and return. Then they will be none of us. Let the stoned ones live in the EU for now and fall in love with each other. There has already been mutual rejection. Let the inhabitants of the outskirts live on their outskirts and compare life here and there. Where to hurry? No fleas, no diarrhea!
      1. +12
        17 August 2022 13: 38
        Quote: North Caucasus
        and it is problematic to establish production in a crisis.

        So "setting up the production of weapons" is the surest way out of the crisis. Historically, this has always been the case!
        Quote: North Caucasus
        We have to wait until they start to divide and return. Then they will be none of us. Let the stoned ones live in the EU for now and fall in love with each other. There has already been mutual rejection.

        It is not necessary to judge the situation in Europe by the releases of our television wink
        1. -5
          18 August 2022 00: 08
          So "setting up the production of weapons" is the surest way out of the crisis. Historically, this has always been the case!
          Oh well! Their production of simple Javelins causes hemorrhoids! And what will happen to the production of guns, tanks, aircraft? This requires energy sources such as gas, oil, electricity. We need raw materials such as metals and alloying additives. Need electronics. Where are they going to get all this? Will they buy? For the euro? And who will need euros if EU products break through the maximum price for their products? Will the USA give a loan? If they give it, it's for the purchase of purely their own products. In fact, they will pay their oligarchs, but Europe will have to! Europe is driven into a mousetrap. And the United States and Russia are driving it there! But the United States began to drive it there, cutting off supplies from Russia, wanting to replace them with their supplies at horse prices. Europe is doomed!
          1. +2
            18 August 2022 07: 32
            Quote: North Caucasus
            Oh well!

            Hmm ... Specifically, you were brainwashed wassat Blessed is he who believes! laughing
            1. -8
              18 August 2022 10: 06
              Quote: Chu_khonets
              you have been brainwashed
              And so you walk around with your brains covered. It is not surprising if it is not individuals who are shitting, but the entire social environment (for example, Western Ukraine, Estonia, etc.).
              1. +2
                18 August 2022 10: 34
                Quote: sniperino
                And so you walk around with your brains covered. It is not surprising if it is not individuals who are shitting, but the entire social environment (for example, Western Ukraine, Estonia, etc.).

                Well, then you don’t have to worry about brainwashing, due to the lack of an object of influence wink Estonia is social environment, cool! good
                1. -7
                  18 August 2022 11: 55
                  Quote from U_GOREC
                  Estonia is a social environment, cool!
                  This is a place of accumulation of Ugric people like you (a shelter for a poor Chukhonian), with its own culture and traditions, a little something. This is the social environment in which your political and other views are shared by many. Well, or you share them, it doesn't matter.
                  1. 0
                    18 August 2022 12: 15
                    Quote: sniperino
                    This is the social environment in which your political and other views are shared by many.

                    Something I didn’t hear, like something about the Estonian communists. Although why am I ... I already wrote about your lack of an object of influence for polluting the brain ... You only confirm my postulate laughing
                    1. -6
                      18 August 2022 12: 26
                      Quote from U_GOREC
                      Something I didn’t hear, like something about the Estonian communists.
                      The communists are not yours, even though you pasted a red star on a white saucepan. Camouflage. A wolf hook will suit you better. Are you trying to dump the "gendarme of Europe"? In vain, you will only do your best.
                      1. 0
                        18 August 2022 15: 46
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Are you trying to dump the "gendarme of Europe"?

                        Apparently, you call the Russian Federation the gendarme of Europe? laughing Are you, in any way, from the reenactors of the God-protected, spirit-strength, crisp-bakery Republic of Ingushetia? Don't dress up in a hat with riding breeches on Easter and cry for Russia, which we have lost? wassat
                      2. -3
                        18 August 2022 22: 56
                        Quote from U_GOREC
                        Apparently, you call the Russian Federation the gendarme of Europe?
                        Not the Gendarme of Europe, but the "Gendarme of Europe", meaning not the empire, as the communist Lenin who brought it down called, but the federation. Do you really need to chew on such simple things?
                      3. -2
                        19 August 2022 09: 00
                        Quote: sniperino
                        not an empire, as the communist Lenin who brought it down called

                        Quote from U_GOREC
                        Are you, in any way, from the reenactors of the God-protected, spirit-strength, crisp-bakery Republic of Ingushetia? Don't dress up in a hat with riding breeches on Easter and cry for Russia, which we have lost?

                        laughing
      2. +12
        17 August 2022 14: 06
        Well, yes, well, even just a crumb and they will all fall there and crawl to us on their knees. I was mistaken, this is not Alexander science fiction, but you.
        1. -2
          18 August 2022 00: 09
          And what about fantasy? See my comment above given to another colleague. hi
    4. +1
      17 August 2022 17: 49
      In military science there are such concepts - operational art, strategic design.
      !? Where?
      And more:
      We are conducting our own with Ukraine, with NATO, with Britain, with the United States.
      1. -1
        17 August 2022 19: 50
        Although ... the main thing is efficiency and of course the result!
        Everything goes according to plan!
    5. +4
      17 August 2022 21: 25
      But if in another 3-4 months the situation at the front will be approximately the same as now, then yes, something is wrong in our Russian state ....


      In 3-4 months, the sanctions will start to have a serious effect, some businessmen I know say that they have reserves and "inertia" until the end of the year.
  4. Des
    -34
    17 August 2022 11: 13
    And this is an article on VO? A shame.
    1. +24
      17 August 2022 11: 32
      And this is an article on VO? A shame.

      You came here exclusively for Cheers articles and comments, so 80% of the site is devoted to this, just don’t read what you don’t like
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          1. Des
            -7
            17 August 2022 13: 23
            As you already understood from the above messages - cheers (in your opinion) the article is not the main thing, more important is the meaning, analysis and competence. But I will give you + for your efforts.
      2. -3
        18 August 2022 11: 01
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        You came here exclusively for Hurray with articles and comments, so 80% of the site is dedicated to this
        Maybe they made a mistake in the calculations? Or they confused the hurray-articles with all the lost-articles and comments. For example, 25 people upvoted you for this comment (today 10.55), and only 11 downvotes. . Only 69,5/66,7 of active forum participants express distrust of your propaganda. In my opinion, this is the average.
    2. +15
      17 August 2022 11: 53
      It's time to take off the rose colored glasses.
    3. +11
      17 August 2022 17: 26
      Quote: Des
      And this is an article on VO? A shame.

      And what was needed? There are also official reports about the occupation of the next village, the destruction of the stronghold of the company and the shooting down of the next quadrocopter.
  5. -1
    17 August 2022 11: 15
    How to fix? Burn with hot iron. Heavy articles of responsibility and real landings, long terms. Do not lie to yourself and deceive others. And everything will be fine, even if not in this life.
    Yang shuddered, and... woke up!
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 11: 34
      Quote: acetophenon
      How to fix? Burn with hot iron. Heavy articles of responsibility and real landings, long terms. Do not lie to yourself and deceive others. And everything will be fine, even if not in this life.

      Um. So it seems that they don’t spare shells anyway.
  6. +16
    17 August 2022 11: 15
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    but at the same time, 65% would also approve of his intention to stop the special operation and sign a peace agreement.
    Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals! fool

    The author is not about this, but about the fact that we have 65% of capkidastov .... lol
    1. -13
      17 August 2022 11: 23
      Quote: Radikal
      The author is not about this, but about the fact that we have 65% of capkidasts ...

      Yes, certainly not a “hat” .. but with what is on the shovels. crying
    2. 0
      18 August 2022 12: 03
      we have 65% capkidastov ...


      More. Boasting and hatred is just a national sport. Like the Ukrainians, however.
  7. -3
    17 August 2022 11: 16
    You look at military correspondents, ordinary people donate cars, send hundreds of children to resorts. In general, there is nothing to trust in polls. The most important thing is how to raise a question.
    1. +16
      17 August 2022 12: 02
      Quote: tralflot1832
      You watch military correspondents, ordinary people donate cars, send hundreds of children to resorts.

      By the way, yesterday there was an article on Kont, where the salaries of military correspondents were given - Poddubny had 947 thousand rubles a month, he didn’t remember the names of others from 450 to 700 thousand rubles. So donating a car or a couple of thermal imagers, or drones for a military correspondent is not so expensive.
  8. 0
    17 August 2022 11: 26
    Russia will win in the NWO ... This is unambiguous and without options ...
    BUT, if after NVO - RUSSIA does not begin a radical cleansing of the "Augean stables" inside the country, and also does not increase the number of member countries of the Union of the Russian Federation and Belarus at an accelerated pace, then win in the future and INEVITABLE (a matter of the very near future ...) BATTLE with NATO itself - it will be very, very problematic .... Russia urgently needs to rally the whole people into one powerful fist in the likeness of the DPRK and China ..... And without a new and nationwide IDEOLOGY that will completely reject the anti-people ideology of the wild, corrupt and usurious capitalism - IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO from the word "absolutely" .... THE SPIRIT and IDEOLOGY of the people is the MOST IMPORTANT CONDITION FOR THE VICTORY OF THE PEOPLE ....
    1. +9
      17 August 2022 11: 34
      Quote from Romanovski
      Russia will win in the NWO ...
      And what will that mean?
      1. +2
        17 August 2022 11: 59
        Let's move on to the first question before the CBO.
      2. -17
        17 August 2022 12: 37
        Be patient a little and see for yourself .... And your provocative and cunning question - you will ask the punks from the gateway ...
        1. +8
          17 August 2022 12: 41
          Quote from Romanovski
          Be patient a little and see for yourself .... And your provocative and cunning question - you will ask the punks from the gateway ...

          Um. OK.
          1. -12
            17 August 2022 12: 44
            Well, that's good .... We drove ...
      3. -3
        17 August 2022 15: 50
        Let's bring back the Pale of Settlement..
      4. 0
        18 August 2022 12: 04
        There will be a parade.
    2. -8
      17 August 2022 11: 52
      It’s just that some people need to stop making a good uncle out of themselves and be a real patriot of their country and start already applying those measures for which historians would be ashamed, or maybe not.
    3. +5
      17 August 2022 16: 30
      Excuse me, but what prevents you from starting to clean the Augean stables right now? What prevented them from starting to clean, well, at least as early as March? Tell me. But I will answer you: absolutely nothing interfered and does not interfere. And as for me, the lack of will, both political and purely male, interferes so much. Well, forgive the lack of eggs, i.e. courage. Stalin was not afraid to clean his stables, our liberals are afraid of everything and are afraid of everyone. Who will say what, what will he think and how will he look
      1. +5
        17 August 2022 17: 35
        Quote: FoBoss_V
        Excuse me, but what prevents you from starting to clean the Augean stables right now? What prevented them from starting to clean, well, at least as early as March? Tell me. But I will answer you: absolutely nothing interfered and does not interfere

        Moreover, there was a very convenient moment to return everything "to normal", i.e. , again to make the subsoil the property of the state (the people), in fact, but no, everything suits him, as he himself said, he is the main liberal. Descendants will give an assessment, I do not think that this will continue forever.
      2. -1
        17 August 2022 21: 16
        Stalin was not afraid to clean his stables, our liberals are afraid of everything and are afraid of everyone. Who will say what, what will he think and how will he look


        Stalin purged those who, in his opinion, were dangerous to him or in whom he saw a competitor, otherwise Khrushchev and a number of other comrades would have been purged. Putin also cleared the political field a long time ago.
      3. 0
        19 August 2022 00: 19
        but it seems to me not a lack of will, but a lack of an adequate control system, with feedback. now you simply don’t see those who could replace these “specialists”, because the system itself is built so that it’s not specialists who get to the top, but those who are more convenient and know how to master, the vertical itself is like that, and replacement is not expected, since “the best specialists "
        already in place in this system
  9. -1
    17 August 2022 11: 26
    I have a feeling that Russia is fighting in a sparing regime with a limited number of people and equipment. Nevertheless, it is technically impossible to complete the operation after the liberation of the DPR, since shells with missiles will constantly arrive from the territory of the remaining Ukraine on peaceful cities. I think that Russia has so many shells for artillery and rocket launchers, as well as free-fall bombs in its warehouses, that you can strike for years and just get rid of junk.
    1. 0
      17 August 2022 11: 35
      Quote: Yak28
      I think that Russia has so many shells for artillery and rocket launchers, as well as free-fall bombs in its warehouses, that you can strike for years and just get rid of junk.

      I don't think about it because I don't know.
    2. +18
      17 August 2022 11: 56
      You found an excuse for yourself, so tell me. We use there all the weapons that we have in service, with the exception of nuclear weapons. Regrettably, what we see on this site is the maximum capabilities of our army.
    3. +16
      17 August 2022 12: 43
      To use free-falling bombs, aircraft must fly over the target, and for this it is desirable to suppress the enemy's air defenses, which did not succeed. If these free-fallers are used now, our aircraft will run out long before we run out of bombs.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 21: 18
        So the question is why it is not possible to suppress the air defense system, I have doubts that this would become a problem for the United States.
  10. +20
    17 August 2022 11: 32
    By hats. Until February 24, I was sincerely sure that we had one of the strongest armies. The army is strong, but the country's economic policy is surely destroying everything.
    Well, the last paragraph. Nobody will be punished. Russia is a country of victorious liberalism.
  11. -21
    17 August 2022 11: 33
    The author, but you are calling for a split in society. Again the thesis that no one trusts the leadership. We are marking time, there is little equipment and it is old, the army is not ready. They covered themselves - "I, like many, am confident in the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I admire their stamina and courage, especially considering what they have to perform their combat missions on, but I'm not sure about the political leadership."
    Are you not sure about Putin? In the State Duma, in the Government or the Council of Federations? Governors - enemies? name
    Everything is bad and in order for everything to be good, it is necessary to persegate everyone !!!!
    An interesting selection of materials on this site is becoming. Some losers.
    1. -13
      17 August 2022 12: 04
      Quote: Petrik66
      The author, but you are calling for a split in society. Again the thesis that no one trusts the leadership. We are marking time, there is little equipment and it is old, the army is not ready.

      I read the name of the author - Yan Sokolovsky, for some reason I remembered the Ukrainian journalist Yanina Sokolovskaya. Coincidence? Brother-sister? Or she pretended to be a peasant, cut down some money and spray feces.
    2. -11
      17 August 2022 13: 55
      Quote: Petrik66
      An interesting selection of materials on this site is becoming.

      And none of these singers goes to Donbass in order to document their thoughts.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 16: 41
        And why, anyway, they will be allowed to write only what is needed, as if censorship, although we do not have it.
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 19: 27
          Quote: ALARI
          And why, anyway, they will be allowed to write only what is needed, as if censorship, although we do not have it.

          You already decide whether there is censorship or not. And in the Donbas, feats are accomplished every day, there is something to write about and why.
          But someone has a thousand excuses that it is more visible and more truthful from the sofa.
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 06: 58
            You do not understand censorship by law, but if necessary, it is. Well, as for the sofa, if you don’t have this sofa, who performs feats, there will be nothing to eat and everyone will die of hunger in their place
            1. -1
              18 August 2022 09: 24
              Quote: ALARI
              You do not understand censorship by law, but if necessary, it is. Well, as for the sofa, if you don’t have this sofa, who performs feats, there will be nothing to eat and everyone will die of hunger in their place

              Oh, thank you sofa benefactor! He didn’t let the soldier swell from hunger, and nothing that for this he arrogated to himself the right to write any of his fantasies about what was happening, regardless of whether it was true or not. Yes
              1. -1
                18 August 2022 10: 24
                It’s clear about the sofa, but it’s not hot for you in a burning tank anika warrior, although judging by the floor you are sitting in the rear on the same sofa. And I write what I see and think and do not need advice.
                1. -1
                  18 August 2022 10: 36
                  Quote: ALARI
                  It’s clear about the sofa, but it’s not hot for you in a burning tank anika warrior, although judging by the floor you are sitting in the rear on the same sofa. And I write what I see and think and do not need advice.

                  Damn, another one (and not an Anika-warrior, but a whole general) who wants to put the female in the tank first and command.
                  1. -1
                    18 August 2022 10: 43
                    If you give advice, then comply, otherwise KKK, you know what it is.
                    1. 0
                      18 August 2022 11: 03
                      I do not give advice, this is again your fantasy.
                      And I don’t know about KKK - I’m in the tank, they wrote it themselves. lol
                      1. 0
                        18 August 2022 11: 07
                        Three to come from Germany, the standard of a woman and mother Kitchen Kirch Kinder.
                      2. 0
                        18 August 2022 11: 11
                        And why did you put me in a tank? tongue
                      3. +2
                        18 August 2022 11: 17
                        Since you are here, you climbed into it yourself, like all of us here, I am a girl who does not work here.
      2. +4
        17 August 2022 17: 37
        Quote: sheet
        Quote: Petrik66
        An interesting selection of materials on this site is becoming.

        And none of these singers goes to Donbass in order to document their thoughts.

        I'm just sure that you are writing from a burning tank.
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 19: 20
          Quote: lis-ik
          I'm just sure that you are writing from a burning tank.

          No. But I am one of those who will enter a burning hut, as for stopping a galloping horse, I am not very sure, unfortunately.
          Where are you writing from? Hospital? Trench? Sofa?Undertable?
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 12: 08
            Especially from the screen will enter a burning hut. If you were one of those, you wouldn't have time to write your stuff here.
    3. -2
      18 August 2022 12: 07
      Send a signal to the FSB immediately. That you discovered an extremist and instigator.
    4. -2
      18 August 2022 14: 17
      Record, as many as 31 minuses. pensioners patriots, hohlotroliki and others. What topic, what comments. And all of this podvetsya as an exchange of views.
  12. +33
    17 August 2022 11: 37
    The people do not want to go to war, because they do not understand why, what are the goals of the NWO? Peace with the current Ukrainian government? A world of scum killers? And what about our government, maybe it clearly outlined its position? Or is the government with "dear partners" stirring up business on blood? Or maybe the generals with the command, who messed up with the start of the NWO, were held responsible? Guilty generals shot themselves from the service, unable to bear the shame, and the colonels with a machine gun went to the front line? Or maybe those who promised drones, warriors, thermal imagers are now sitting in camps and felling wood, mining ore, for not fulfilling their promises to supply the army with everything necessary?

    Not everything is in place - they sleep soundly, drink and eat sweetly. And that's what people won't go to war for. What for? When the people are deceived, why are they better than Kyiv clown drug addicts?
    1. -23
      17 August 2022 13: 58
      But your post falls entirely under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280.3. Public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security, or exercise their powers by state bodies of the Russian Federation for these purposes.
      Are you so brave because you can still write such a stupid thing?
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        1. -6
          17 August 2022 17: 15
          The people do not want to go to war, because they do not understand why, what are the goals of the NWO? Peace with the current Ukrainian government? A world of scum killers? And what about our government, maybe it clearly outlined its position? Or is the government with "dear partners" stirring up business on blood? Or maybe the generals with the command, who messed up with the start of the NWO, were held responsible? Guilty generals shot themselves from the service, unable to bear the shame, and the colonels with a machine gun went to the front line? Or maybe those who promised drones, warriors, thermal imagers are now sitting in camps and felling wood, mining ore, for not fulfilling their promises to supply the army with everything necessary?

          Not everything is in place - they sleep soundly, drink and eat sweetly. And that's what people won't go to war for. What for? When the people are deceived, why are they better than Kyiv clown drug addicts?
    2. +3
      18 August 2022 12: 11
      Well, my friend, it is useless to ask such questions at such times. And suddenly others will look at you and ask questions too. You still ask how it happened that the NWF money flowed with one keystroke right into Uncle Sam's wallet!!! Like a bunch of other assets, and how it got there.
  13. +4
    17 August 2022 11: 37
    Until the NWO is called a war, there will NOT be any mobilizations, either full or partial! "Partial mobilization" how will it be? Based on what? War as such is not declared to anyone! With the credit level of the population, who is "partially mobilized"? Who doesn't have loans? And if all in a row? Who will pay the loans for them? Write off? Based on what?
    1. -12
      17 August 2022 12: 03
      on the contrary, whoever has more loans will be persuaded
      1. -3
        17 August 2022 16: 44
        No man no loans? Creative!
        1. +13
          17 August 2022 22: 51
          Yes, please.
          6 months after "no person", the heirs who entered into the right of inheritance receive the entire amount of this inheritance, incl. loans.
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 12: 12
            They may not be inherited.
          2. 0
            18 August 2022 14: 06
            They have a choice - either to accept the inheritance burdened by loan payments, or to refuse it.
        2. -2
          18 August 2022 07: 05
          the loan will pay everything early, from the grave if it dies
          1. +1
            18 August 2022 08: 05
            Even death does not exempt from credit. Everywhere lenders are insured.
            1. -2
              18 August 2022 08: 22
              this is for sure, although there are noticeably fewer microcredit organizations
    2. -2
      18 August 2022 12: 12
      And what is happening in the Smolensk region today, huh?
  14. +12
    17 August 2022 11: 38
    How to fix it?


    You can fix it, but who will fix it?
    Moreover, even on this site, how much do you see dear author of Hooray propaganda and hatred articles about how wonderful everything is with the Marquise?
    Let's already accept the fact that the money was sent not to the army, not to the navy, not anywhere else, but only to the development of propaganda. So everything is fine with us only in the information field (and then Russian), but in fact we have been fighting with a strange 3rd world for half a year and no success is visible. Moreover, this state of affairs is completely satisfied with the management
    1. 0
      18 August 2022 12: 14
      In the information field, we have exactly the same as in everything else.
  15. -23
    17 August 2022 11: 38
    The main problem is the West, there are a lot of weapons there and they do not hesitate to transfer them. To fight in the current situation is stupid and without prospects. Europe believes that nothing threatens it and easily parted with weapons and money. Europe has become so insolent and has lost its fear that they easily allow themselves to arrange exhibitions of broken Russian equipment. Europe is openly preparing saboteurs and terrorists who, after training, will carry out terrorist attacks on Russian territory. We need to start a hybrid war against the West. Preferably economic. To begin with, arrange sabotage in the gas pipelines that go to Europe through neutral waters. Having destroyed the European economy and showing that Russia is ready for war, Europe will think ten times before parting with technology. The second point is western Ukraine, the Benderites easily allow themselves to destroy the Donbass, why is the light still working in western Ukraine, is there Russian gas? Let Bendera eat rotten food from the refrigerator and drown in shit without sewerage. The war must be intensified, then victory will be achieved by winter. Economic victory is easier to achieve than military.
    1. +5
      17 August 2022 11: 56
      Do you seriously think that if you start destroying infrastructure in Europe, they will start transferring fewer weapons? That's for sure? Is there a guarantee? Or maybe they will start sending more? For example, aircraft with missiles that hit thousands of kilometers.
      1. +2
        17 August 2022 18: 39
        Quote from Heaven
        Or maybe they will start sending more?


        What's stopping them from doing it now? Nothing. The only thing that limits Europe from large deliveries of heavy weapons is the lack of the necessary production capacities for the production of military products, but by the way, they signed contracts for the supply of new weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but they cannot quickly make products and transfer them to the customer.

        And from the point of view of morality / values, etc. this has long been no longer a problem, in all European media - the Russians have simply been dehumanized, just go to the German media and read articles on the war in Ukraine .... there are such stories, you just sway. We are not just some kind of monsters there, but much worse, there are a lot of fictional stories about our aircraft.

        But directly destroying the infrastructure in Europe is, of course, too much, we must start by stopping the supply of energy resources and all metals, food, fertilizers and, in general, any products from the Russian market, since the culture of canceling Russia is already underway, then it’s time to cancel our products on the European market.

        If after that, the desire to transfer weapons and equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not disappear, then start hitting logistics hubs / warehouses where military products are stored (in Poland, for example), yes, this is almost a direct clash with NATO ... but in my opinion, we have long approached this line, strikes are being made on the territory of Russia (on civilians, on infrastructure) - with Western weapons, albeit not the latest, but with weapons that the NATO countries have transferred to Ukraine. And something needs to be done about it .... if the West is not afraid to cross the red lines, then why should we be afraid?

        Since the fire of war has already been blown up, then let them "warm up" too, maybe then it will come to them that it's time to stop everything before it's too late.
        1. -4
          17 August 2022 20: 03
          That is, in addition to Ukraine, start directly fighting with NATO? Is there enough strength? Here one collective farm is being stormed for weeks. How many additional forces are needed to fight not even with all of NATO, but at least with Poland, on whose territory you plan to strike? If there are these reserves somewhere, can they be used now to at least free the Donbass before winter?
          1. -5
            18 August 2022 07: 28
            Quote from Heaven
            That is, in addition to Ukraine, start directly fighting with NATO? Is there enough strength? Here one collective farm is being stormed for weeks. How many additional forces are needed to fight not even with all of NATO, but at least with Poland, on whose territory you plan to strike?


            Are you going to seize NATO territory? Russia has enough funds and capabilities to destroy warehouses and military infrastructure in Poland, using VKS (through the airspace of Belarus), Iskanders, calibers, etc. of course this is dangerous. the conflict will enter a new stage ... but it is also impossible to watch how arms supplies are going and do nothing.

            Although if you are a Ukrainian or a liberal who is satisfied with the current situation with a positional war, then there are no questions. The Slavs will continue to grind each other, and the West will throw more firewood into the fire ... and yes, we will win in any case, but the hostilities will go on for several years at best, and nothing will remain of the male population of Ukraine.

            Therefore, there must be measures, and it’s a pity that the Kremlin is afraid to take extreme measures and cross red lines (when the West completely put these lines) ... after all, you can completely stop the supply of resources / goods to Europe at the first stage and see what this will work, there will be no effect - it means you need to take other measures ...
            1. -2
              18 August 2022 09: 44
              VKS strike on warehouses in Poland. The next day, NATO strikes at warehouses in the Russian Federation. So, what is next?
              1. -4
                18 August 2022 10: 05
                Quote from Heaven
                VKS strike on warehouses in Poland. The next day, NATO strikes at warehouses in the Russian Federation. So, what is next?


                NATO is already attacking the territory of Russia, through a proxy force (Ukraine) and what's next? Do you suggest doing nothing and not noticing it? The West has already crossed the red lines, and they must be prepared for the consequences - attacks on the bases for the storage of weapons intended for Ukraine. (this is a legitimate target)

                If NATO delivers counter strikes, then it is necessary to expand the geography of hitting targets and change delivery vehicles ... up to TNW strikes. And this is the choice of Europe ...
              2. 0
                18 August 2022 11: 47
                And then Poland captures the Kaliningrad region in two weeks. They are just waiting for this.
                1. 0
                  18 August 2022 12: 42
                  Quote: Rakovor
                  And then Poland captures the Kaliningrad region in two weeks. They are just waiting for this.


                  Well then, we turn a blind eye to the shelling of the Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk, Rostov regions + Crimea, now while the industry of Europe cannot supply more heavy equipment, contracts have been signed for several years ... and as soon as military products are ready, they will deliver to Ukraine, which will peel with these weapons in our communities and infrastructure.

                  Although Ukraine is quite successful anyway, it strikes both with old Soviet weapons - which the NATO countries gave away, and with new ones.

                  + a military conflict with such replenishment can last for years, if not decades. Ukraine will have enough manpower for a long time, the only question is the weapons that the West will definitely supply.
  16. +15
    17 August 2022 11: 52
    I agree completely on one thing: lies, lies, lies. From the headquarters level, everyone is afraid for their leather stools .... If com. part begins to describe real problems, so he can not cope. For all requests for the supply of NECESSARY AND REQUIRED, they are sent to ... guess where. The main thing for the arrival of the inspectors is to place beautiful posters and diagrams and remove garbage on the route. The colonel lies to the generals, the generals to the minister, but he misleads .... Lies about the fraternal people and meetings with flowers turned into executions as in a dash of columns and prisoners in the initial period of the NWO ... And no one answered for this lie ....
    1. 0
      18 August 2022 12: 17
      Lies, that's fine. Money! Money is the head of everything! You can make a lot of money in war.
  17. -18
    17 August 2022 11: 56
    The attack cannot be stopped. Prolongation of the conflict in Ukraine

    In short ...
  18. +15
    17 August 2022 12: 00
    How can hostilities be stopped unilaterally? It is necessary to enter into negotiations with the Ukrainians. And they will say: do you want peace? OK. Leave to the line on February 24 or even from Ukraine within the borders of 1991. Peace is possible only after victory. Another thing is that this war turned out to be completely different from the one for which Russia was preparing. It needs a large land army, which Russia does not have. But where to get it, how to create it during the war - this is another question. In theory, management should think about this, if, of course, it is capable of thinking.
    1. +12
      17 August 2022 12: 08
      Another thing is that this war turned out to be completely different from the one for which Russia was preparing.

      Just wondering, what kind of war was Russia preparing for then? There is no large land army, the fleet, well, it’s not even funny here, the Air Force, well, if you compare it with NATO, it’s like a fleet again ... There’s a general feeling that 30 years after the collapse, they didn’t prepare for anything
      1. +18
        17 August 2022 12: 49
        They prepared for parades every year for several months, air shows and biathlons. The current army deserves the title of amusing much more than the first regular regiments of Peter I. From where the army went, it came to that ...
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 13: 08
          at the moment there is also a tank biathlon 2022
          1. +8
            17 August 2022 13: 18
            Well... the show must go on.
      2. -5
        17 August 2022 13: 23
        And when was Russia ready for war? In 1812? In 1914? In 1941? But she was getting ready. Unpreparedness for war is her natural state. It is important how the problems that have arisen in the course of hostilities are solved. It is to be hoped that all necessary measures are now being taken. But there is no certainty.
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 16: 48
          Unpreparedness for war leads to the fact that even if victory is only half, not completely. The main issues have not been resolved and you need to prepare for war again or wait for it to come.
      3. +2
        17 August 2022 16: 10
        prepared for a long integration with "partners". but suddenly (who would have thought) it turned out that the "partners" accept integration into themselves only in the form of food.
      4. Aag
        +3
        18 August 2022 11: 10
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        Another thing is that this war turned out to be completely different from the one for which Russia was preparing.

        Just wondering, what kind of war was Russia preparing for then? There is no large land army, the fleet, well, it’s not even funny here, the Air Force, well, if you compare it with NATO, it’s like a fleet again ... There’s a general feeling that 30 years after the collapse, they didn’t prepare for anything

        How prepared! What a fleet of order-bearing oligarchs they have recaptured! How many financial caches have been organized on enemy territory ...
        1. +1
          18 August 2022 12: 19
          You encroached on the sacred - financial caches.
  19. -8
    17 August 2022 12: 25
    The rate of decline in military sorties of army aviation is clearly visible.

    I'm used to thinking statistically, so I'm embarrassed to ask: how does the Author "see" the slowdown?
    hi

    But in the Ukrainian press they complain about doubling Russian aviation flights...

    And this is just one of the mistakes of the article ...
    If you take it apart with a pencil, it will pull on a Nir report ....
    1. -5
      17 August 2022 12: 51
      I am not aware of official statistics, but still aviation and army aviation are different concepts. So the two statements do not contradict each other.
      1. -3
        17 August 2022 13: 06
        Is the author aware of the statistics? What did not bring, but "saw"?

        These are not different concepts, but general and particular ...
        If the "general" has doubled, what happens to the "private"?
        1. +3
          17 August 2022 14: 19
          Also for me - Newton's binomial. Army aviation flies much less often, because helicopters cannot attack from a great height and distance, and during an attack they are perfectly hit even from MANPADS, which the APU has like dirt. But other aircraft (except, again, the Su-25, which is also vulnerable) can work out by launching missiles from the airspace above the location of our troops, and without even crossing the borders of the Russian Federation, which drastically reduces the risk of their defeat (and also drastically increases the cost ammunition, of course). So now there are mainly artillery, rocket launchers and aviation, but not the army.
          1. 0
            17 August 2022 15: 33
            Newton's binomial is resolved very simply: if the sum doubles, then the terms also double, or one of the terms (several terms) increases in proportion to the change in the others ....

            Well, the context of the phrase about "I see a slowdown" is simply "wonderful":
            In my opinion, the Russian military is confronting the enemy on the limit

            dramatically increases the cost of ammunition, of course

            That's why they doubled the number of flights ....
            hi
          2. -1
            18 August 2022 14: 30
            Since just army aviation is used very actively throughout the NWO.
    2. +2
      18 August 2022 12: 20
      I can responsibly say that the number of flights by ear compared to February-March has decreased by five (5) times!
      1. -4
        18 August 2022 14: 19
        I can responsibly say that the number of flights by ear compared to February-March has decreased by five (5) times!

        Who are you to responsibly speak?
        hi
        1. +1
          18 August 2022 15: 14
          The person who lives nearby. The sound of departure cannot be hidden.
          1. -2
            18 August 2022 15: 20
            The person who lives nearby. The sound of departure cannot be hidden.

            Do you live near all locations of the Russian army aviation simultaneously?
            1. 0
              19 August 2022 08: 38
              Next to one of the main ones. This is quite enough for conclusions, because. transferring the entire squadron somewhere makes no sense at all, given the location of the AB relative to the theater of operations.
              1. -2
                19 August 2022 11: 16
                Next to one of the main ones.

                Then - not accepted ....

                By the way, just out of curiosity, can your ear tell the difference between the sound of 10 helicopters taking off and 8 helicopters taking off?
                1. -1
                  19 August 2022 11: 23
                  Aren't you tired of clown around? I don't give a damn what you accept or don't accept. And grind. And yes, my ear can tell the difference between 10 jets and 8 jets.
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2022 11: 23
                    Aren't you tired of clown around? I don't give a damn what you accept or don't accept. And grind. And yes, my ear can tell the difference between 10 jets and 8 jets.

                    Helicopters - I just remind you where you live ....
                    1. -2
                      19 August 2022 11: 53
                      Understood nothing.
                      1. 0
                        19 August 2022 11: 57
                        It's okay - but you have a rumor: oh-hoo!
            2. +1
              28 August 2022 14: 29
              He is Crimean. Officer's daughter.
  20. +3
    17 August 2022 12: 26
    The attack cannot be stopped. Prolongation of the conflict in Ukraine
    A stick is always about two ends, and even more!
    Combat operations of such intensity sooner or later lead to the fact that one of the parties to the conflict still goes into the red, this is natural.
    So yes, but there are nuances! We are alone and ... but whether to wait for help from somewhere is a difficult question.
    In my opinion, the Russian military is pushing the enemy to the limit. There, at the front, everything that is already involved.
    No, no, the top ones still say that far from everything is involved!
    By the way, the fact that some mandatory, in such cases, resources are not involved, somehow annoying !!!
  21. +10
    17 August 2022 12: 30
    The question is not even in operational-tactical decisions. In my opinion, people are most infuriated by the lack of intelligible adequate information from their own ruling "noble" class. And even if they occasionally start to open their mouths (MO briefings are from another "opera" and the prose of life), they only lead to discouragement and cultivate negative emotions, give reason to think about the correspondence between the intellectual level of government officials and their political will to professionally solve the problems of the modern world , and most importantly, the ability for strategic integrated planning on an accurate calculation and scientific approach, of course, if they really consider the development and prosperity of the Russian Federation a priority, and not personal interests and serving the globalists.
    It is still unclear why only people on the liberated should suffer, and the Nazis continue to enjoy all the benefits of civilization, eat sweetly and sleep softly, blah blah blah about the mythical "fraternal people" no longer rolls. How long can you dance on this rake, how much more people need to be killed and cities destroyed to understand that the population and territories that have got out of Russian control, have received a mythical type of sovereignty, always and at all times turn into a source of direct and immediate threat to us. so-called Ukrainians began to betray us since the time of Ivan the Terrible, and Peter bought the Balts in general, paying not frail mani. So it’s not clear why independent fighting after half a year still has electricity, TV and all types of communications are working, government agencies are fully functioning, why they still don’t have a “Middle Age”, we have to answer and suffer for our antics and “jumps”, we do we pay a lot of money to these fanatics for transit, etc.? This is, how to explain, we are good, we are not like them, and other smearing of snot on the cheeks is somehow not impressive and very disappointing, especially against the backdrop of the lethargic infantile policy of the leadership. It seems that the boyars are tired of this and are no longer interested, they again took up their usual irresponsible policy, "we need to do something", "let's wait, maybe everything will resolve itself anyway"
    1. +12
      17 August 2022 12: 51
      The “nobles” have long been ready to negotiate with the “gang of Nazis and drug addicts who have settled in Kyiv”, offering, with minor additions, the same conditions that are already written in the 1990 Ukrainian Declaration of State Sovereignty. This is about strategic planning. The only problem is that Ukrainian proxies do not want to talk with the "nobles", feeling the support behind them. Those who provide support do not want to say all the more, since others make sacrifices, and they will be paid for weapons anyway. And the initiative is completely on their side, as can be seen from the sabotage, attacks on bridges and nuclear power plants. Even Latvia is declaring Russia a "terrorist country", while Russia is silent, regularly pumping gas there. Those who hit first lost interest in the fight, but now they are still being beaten.
      1. +4
        17 August 2022 14: 21
        The good old (or bad) truth in all its glory - it is easier to start a war than to end it.
    2. -10
      17 August 2022 14: 45
      Quote: seacap
      In my opinion, people are most infuriated by the lack of intelligible adequate information from their own ruling "noble" class.
      About people - it's you in vain. In my opinion, most of all it infuriates the possessed (with the Baphomet impaled on their backs, wolf hooks, etc.) and the hornless devils who sympathize with them.
  22. -13
    17 August 2022 12: 33
    If you look from the position of the war, then uzas-uzas. That's just it - never a war.
    And with such approaches and assessments, Sudoplatov should have been shot in general. Hitler was defeated, and he, the bastard, played the fool for another 15 years - he could not defeat the gangs. Does it really sound like whining about CBO?
  23. +6
    17 August 2022 12: 39
    And why did the Germans bypass the Maginot in 1940, and did not begin to grind the French like we do?
    1. +3
      17 August 2022 13: 00
      Well, they were smart generals, a sufficient number of troops and equipment to bypass.
    2. 0
      17 August 2022 13: 11
      And why did the Germans bypass the Maginot in 1940
      Through neutral Belgium and the Netherlands?
      1. +10
        17 August 2022 14: 25
        Well, we, as it were, also reached Kyiv through Belarus, then we tried to surround the Donbass grouping with deep coverage, where there were no long-term fortifications in sight. But it did not grow together - a radically higher level of training, provision of troops, operational art, communications, control, and interaction was needed. Our right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. Still, do you know that the first months of the NWO did not even have a single command, and the three groups acted without any coordination?
        1. -4
          17 August 2022 15: 31
          Belarus - a neutral country?
          Suddenly...)))
          1. 0
            17 August 2022 15: 36
            The key is to strike around long-term fortified areas, who is neutral there is a secondary matter. And by the way, does Belarus consider itself a participant in the conflict? Conducts SVO? Did you use your aircraft? Suddenly...
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 15: 44
              Neutrals do not provide their territory to a belligerent country to find l / s, equipment and ammunition there - all of a sudden ...

              Don't waste your demagogy on me - it doesn't "work" ....
              hi
              1. -3
                17 August 2022 16: 00
                Claims to the wrong address - listen / read Lukashenka. There's a classic "of course I'm for you, but I'm not against him." This is not demagogy, but maneuvering. And by the way - do you consider such allied relations as usual, when a state, having a common border with the state with which your ally is at war, does not itself conduct any military operations, does not take part in hostilities? And who is the demagogue here?
                1. 0
                  17 August 2022 16: 07
                  Was the territory of Belarus, with its consent, used by Russian troops against a third party (Ukraine)?
                  Yes....
                  Can a neutral voluntarily provide its territory for the operation of a foreign army against a third party?
                  No...

                  L-logic...

                  hi
  24. -1
    17 August 2022 12: 42
    I don’t know about anyone, but every day I open the news of my city (Saratov) with a shudder, I read that one died in Ukraine, and the age is from 20 to 30 years. And today I read that funds will be allocated from the reserve fund of the region for the restoration of the LPR , you see, we are the bosses there of some settlements in the Svatovsky district, and this despite the fact that the region is in debt, there is no industry, in terms of living standards, but in almost all, in the top ten from the last places. And I needed this war, taking away the death of young guys and the money spent on it? And why was the issue not resolved thoroughly and finally in 2014? I don’t think that our politicians are not far-sighted. nose, so it can be turned on not under the nose, there are many ways for this. Maybe I don’t understand something? But my understanding is that it’s because of money. What else? And I’m not some kind of “hater” of my state, but why, without restoring in my state, get involved in this, I suppose a protracted war? I am just a simple resident of my state and thinking: would the inhabitants of the Donetsk Republic, if reversed, decide to secede from Ukraine? I believe that this was a huge provocative reason for starting this war.
  25. +7
    17 August 2022 13: 13
    Quote: "This is our long tradition - to hang noodles on the ears of the authorities." End of quote.
    On the one hand, there is a tradition (!) On the other hand, what kind of bosses, such traditions.
    It turns out a vicious circle.
    The vicious circle must be drunk (whether it be a box ...)
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 14: 35
      It's not just our bosses who prefer sweet lies to bitter truth. The electorate does not lag behind him in this. Elections confirm this almost constantly and at all levels - a populist generous with promises easily outperforms a realist who prefers to promise only what he can and is going to fulfill. Well, in the next elections, the liar, of course, may lose, but again he will lose not to an honest candidate, but to another populist. This is how mass psychology works.
      1. -4
        17 August 2022 16: 08
        у realistwho prefers to promise only what he can and will deliver

        Who is this?
        1. +3
          17 August 2022 16: 18
          It's nowhere. Because no one will even nominate such a freak as a guaranteed no-pass candidate.
          1. -2
            17 August 2022 16: 23
            Come on, you yourself write:
            We not only the authorities prefer sweet lies to bitter truth. Electorate from him in this does not lag behind. Elections confirm this almost constantly and at all levels. -

            Who is this eternally losing "realist", which "confirms" with "us" too?
  26. +4
    17 August 2022 13: 23
    I remember, even before, here on the VO in the comments they wrote that the army would fall apart there, we would throw "Caliber" "they will have the Olympics ho-ho-ho" (c) And now, at the limit .. And about lies, first of all to ourselves no need to lie.
  27. -12
    17 August 2022 13: 48
    The author, for such an article, you can get another article as a bonus, it is strange that the administration decided to publish it, apparently from a lack of exercise in frosty air.
    1. +13
      17 August 2022 14: 40
      So now you can get an article for everything - for calling the war a war, for the slightest doubt in the general line of the party, for daring to say that the king is not the most brilliant, but only one of the most brilliant in the entire world history. If everything goes further in this direction, then don’t rejoice either - there will be an article for you if the order comes to the relevant department for workers for places with fresh air.
      1. +3
        17 August 2022 14: 45
        Do not rejoice - there will be an article for you if the order comes to the relevant department for workers for places with fresh air.
        Certainly my friend, certainly. I just can't find any reason to be happy.
  28. -12
    17 August 2022 13: 55
    What kind of degenerate article is that? Yang - another military "expert"? The author can keep his opinion to himself. It is clear that not everything is going smoothly in the war, it has always been and will be, but these pearls are about the military leadership, about the exhausted Russian Army, he is still a strategist .....
    1. -6
      17 August 2022 14: 16
      Oh, the cons rained down ... laughing , it seems that all the whiners have gathered under this article ....
      1. -4
        17 August 2022 16: 07
        Quote: Alexey-74
        it seems that all the whiners have gathered under this article

        You are right, besides, the survey, in which not much more than a thousand people took part, is presented as the opinion of the majority of the Russian population.
  29. +9
    17 August 2022 14: 28
    ...how to win with available funds and sluggish government policies

    Yes, in any way!
    The overwhelming majority of readers and "writers" of this site have long understood everything, with the exception of the individual "repellents" that reptiles here.
    Is it really incomprehensible that this completely corrupt power of the Russian kleptocracy, headed by a "grandmaster" and a "multi-move" from the St. Petersburg gateway, will lead the country to disaster?
    Yes, she actually did it already.
    People die for metal, and this Satan still rules the show - and soon we will hear the frank, devilish laughter of this modern Mephistopheles from a secret underground bunker...
    1. -8
      17 August 2022 15: 04
      Quote: Spasatel
      People die for metal, and this Satan still rules the show - and soon we will hear the frank, devilish laughter of this modern Mephistopheles from a secret underground bunker...

      Yes ... some sad troll has gone today, without a spark negative

      Quote: Spasatel
      with the exception of reptiles here separately taken "repellents"

      Say what you wanted, or ask for what? Avas, damn laughing
  30. -6
    17 August 2022 14: 41
    Quote: Spasatel

    People die for metal, and this Satan still rules the show - and soon we will hear the frank, devilish laughter of this modern Mephistopheles from a secret underground bunker...

    Yes, we really see on TV the shining faces of the "first persons" and the sour mines of the "simple patriots."

    But if "ordinary people" live with this for 30 years and "during it" they betrayed everything that can be betrayed, everything is fair!

    There is sin, there is retribution, there is the Assumption of the righteous who gave their lives for .... the truth is not very clear, but the Almighty will figure it out. A soldier's death is never in vain. Everything goes on as usual, as it did before the millennium in the history of mankind.
    1. -5
      17 August 2022 15: 09
      Quote: ivan2022
      There is sin, there is retribution, there is the Assumption of the righteous who gave their lives for .... the truth is not very clear, but the Almighty will figure it out

      You should think about the soul, but you are all trolling ...

      27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward everyone according to his deeds

      And you too, no doubt Yes
  31. 0
    17 August 2022 15: 11
    Deliberate lying is the heaviest crime.

    This is our long tradition - to hang noodles on the ears of the authorities.


    Does the boss want the truth? After all, we have that 200 years ago, that now "There is no need to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived" ©
  32. +4
    17 August 2022 15: 42
    Many thanks to the author for the article!
  33. +1
    17 August 2022 16: 15
    The key phrase is "sluggish government policy." From the word "none".
  34. -7
    17 August 2022 16: 37
    Another panic article

    Another thing is that we have been unable to overcome homosexuals, abnormals and drug addicts for the sixth month.
    Come on, we specifically "overcame" Ukraine by June. By June, neither the Ukrainian economy, nor its military potential was able to continue hostilities.
    Only the economic and military assistance of the combined West, Turkey, Israel allows Ukraine to resist it.
    I, like many others, am confident in the servicemen of the RF Armed Forces, I admire their steadfastness and courage, especially considering the way they have to carry out their combat missions, but I am not sure about the political leadership.
    In the political leadership, just the same, you can be sure.
    Otherwise, the SVO would not have started.
    But for the country, the danger comes from a number of "sabotage" organizations. such as "Dry".
    at the time of his arrest, Mau was trying to seek support from SOKHNUT, an organization to support the emigration of Jews around the world to Israel, which replaced the Israeli intelligence service NATIV, dividing its powers between itself and the Israeli intelligence Mossad.

    Then information surfaced that the SOKHNUT officer Mau had approached was an Israeli citizen, who turned out to be part-time and at the same time an employee of the Israeli intelligence Mossad.

    These are the organizations that are truly dangerous for the country. And aren't their ears sticking out for such proposals?
    like many, I am confident in the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces, I admire their stamina and courage, especially considering what they have to perform their combat missions on, but not sure about the political leadership.
    ?
    Are you sure about the leadership of the Dry? bully
    1. +2
      17 August 2022 17: 25
      I'm not sure about the political leadership of the Russian Federation. And in the policy of the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance, etc. Not the first time they break their own words. I remember from 1995. The composition is changing, but the attitude towards the country remains the same.
      1. -1
        17 August 2022 18: 27
        Did the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance make a decision to start the SVO? No, which means it’s not for them to cancel it.

        As for the Central Bank, it is part of the global financial system. Once again, a part of the system, which means it functions as the system prescribes to it.
        Although recently it has begun to function as an independent financial structure.
        As for the Ministry of Finance, its head is appointed by the prime minister as a result of consultations and compromises. But cadres for the government are prepared and recommended (pushed up) by all sorts of Vladimir Mau.
        Which, as it turns out, is collaborating with the Mossad, which exists in our country under the sign "Dry".
        So the danger we have for the country is not from the political leadership, but from similar organizations.
        They need, as they say, to be eradicated from the country before it is too late.
    2. +1
      18 August 2022 13: 28
      Quote: flicker
      Come on, we specifically "overcame" Ukraine by June. By June, neither the Ukrainian economy, nor its military potential was able to continue hostilities.
      Only the economic and military assistance of the combined West, Turkey, Israel allows Ukraine to resist it.

      And what did the country's leadership count on? That NATA will calmly watch how their project is smashed? Strange, infantile position.

      Quote: flicker
      In the political leadership, just the same, you can be sure.
      Otherwise, the SVO would not have started.

      So they started out of infantilism, with such an underestimation of the enemy. Now they are completely bogged down. Now they are urgently looking for UAVs and recruiting recruits for a contract. It's all according to plan. Yes Yes...
      1. -1
        18 August 2022 14: 23
        Are you from the "patriots of Israel" or from the "wide" ones?
        Only they can carry this
        And what did the country's leadership count on? That NATA will calmly watch how their project is smashed? Strange, infantile position.
        So they started out of infantilism, with such an underestimation of the enemy. Now they are completely bogged down. Now they are urgently looking for UAVs and recruiting recruits for a contract. It's all according to plan. Yes Yes.
        1. 0
          18 August 2022 20: 57
          Quote: flicker
          Are you from the "patriots of Israel" or from the "wide" ones?
          Only they can carry this

          The counter arguments are simply stunning. It’s clear, it’s clear, another leavened urya-putriot.
          Meanwhile, another military facility "fired up" on the territory of the Russian Federation.

          An ammunition depot caught fire in the Belgorod region
          18 August 2022, 20: 36
          https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/8/18/1173330.html

          Throw your hats on.
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 21: 26
            So you didn’t answer: will you be from the “patriots of Israel” or from the “blowers”?
            1. 0
              18 August 2022 23: 08
              You puff up in vain, and even look funny. Already, even the desperate loyalists of the commander-in-chief are beginning to wonder what kind of fires and pops in the air.
              1. 0
                19 August 2022 01: 48
                Once again, the question: will you wake up from the "patriots of Israel" or from the "blowers"?
                Or are you from the "Jewish Bandera"?
                1. 0
                  19 August 2022 10: 19
                  Hmm, it’s hard to get to you ... I don’t have the habit of answering idiotic questions, you are our hat thrower!)))
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2022 13: 40
                    Well, here's another question for you: the Bandera people slaughtered Jews in their time, maybe for what?
                    1. 0
                      19 August 2022 19: 46
                      Well, you slept, not a goy.
                      Bandera slaughtered everyone, Jews, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. Here the Nazis were afraid and bowed.
                      Learn history, maybe you'll stop asking stupid questions.
                      Tired of it.
                      1. 0
                        19 August 2022 20: 43
                        Everything is clear, "Jewish Bandera".
                      2. -1
                        19 August 2022 22: 23
                        In quotes, that's correct.
                        In general, you showed your level, well done.
                      3. 0
                        19 August 2022 23: 40
                        Some kind of kindergarten
                      4. 0
                        20 August 2022 00: 05
                        Kindergarten started with your stupid questions. But you don't understand it.
        2. 0
          19 August 2022 14: 22
          Quote: flicker
          Are you from the "patriots of Israel" or from the "wide" ones?
          Only they can carry this
          The more intensive and coordinated the work of our Armed Forces, NM and the National Guard on the ground goes, the more squeals and cries of "Putinsleal" are heard from all sides in the information space. Let them howl and squeal even stronger: the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!
          1. +1
            19 August 2022 14: 38
            The more intensive and coordinated the work of our Armed Forces on the ground is, the more squeals and screams of "Putinsleal" are heard from all sides in the information space
            Exactly. Nothing works out for them on the battlefield, and they begin to raise a negative media wave.
            victory will be ours!
          2. +2
            19 August 2022 19: 48
            Dear ... I'm the intensity, well, believing in the commander-in-chief, well, I estimated it in two weeks, well, a month at the extreme. And there is no end, no edge. Where is your intensity? You only know how to throw hats intensively.
            1. 0
              20 August 2022 01: 15
              Quote: Zoer
              I, well, believing in the commander-in-chief, I estimated the intensity in two weeks, well, a month at the very least. ... You only know how to throw hats intensively.
              Everyone is wrong about something. Maybe they didn’t take into account the value of human lives, which are getting smaller in proportion to the intensity of database maintenance. Maybe the General Staff took into account the time needed to restore the combat capability of the Armed Forces in view of the possibility of an escalation of the conflict with the arrival of Poles and other Swedes in Ukraine ... You never know, they know better. Only I did not find a reason to throw shit towards the General Staff. Not even because it is a criminal offense. I just didn't find it.
  35. -1
    17 August 2022 16: 55
    We must come to terms with the fact, NWO - for a long time. Unpleasant of course, but what can you do, reality is like that. Here Strelkov, in one of his speeches, called General Shamanov
    out of mind. Why? For this statement..."Yes, the demilitarization of Ukraine may take 5 to 10 years," he said. At the same time, he agreed that the world practice shows that the longer the duration of such operations, the more significant they affect the mood in society. Shamanov stressed that the Russian military is really aware that the longer the special operation continues, the "more difficult it will be for us to resist the collective West" ..... So maybe there is no need to call names a combat, honored general. He has two Chechen wars to his credit, which, by and large, lasted intermittently from 1994 to 2009, he knows firsthand the state of the VSR, and their capabilities. The general probably knows what he's talking about.
    1. +1
      18 August 2022 05: 36
      So maybe you don’t need to call a combat, honored general. He has two Chechen wars to his credit, which, by and large, lasted intermittently from 1994 to 2009,

      Those. you put him in a plus when the army could not cope with gangs for almost 15 years and suffered serious losses from them, and how the veterans of that war and the assault on Grozny remember Khasavyurt
      The question here is whether a repetition of this is necessary, and given that these are not scattered gangs, but a regular army with heavy weapons that is regularly replenished, then the experience of the Chechen company will obviously not be +
      1. -1
        18 August 2022 18: 30
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        Those. you put him in a plus when the army could not cope with gangs for almost 15 years and suffered serious losses from them, and how the veterans of that war and the assault on Grozny remember Khasavyurt
        The question here is whether a repetition of this is necessary, and given that these are not scattered gangs, but a regular army with heavy weapons that is regularly replenished, then the experience of the Chechen company will obviously not be +

        Do we have generals and senior officers who have other combat experience, besides Chechen, Georgian, etc.? And how is the storming of Grozny in 1994 different from the storming of Bucha in 2022? Nothing. What generals exist, there is no other. Until the understanding of new methods of warfare comes, time is needed, and experience in their application.
      2. +1
        18 August 2022 21: 08
        So this general knows everything perfectly and understands from the inside. And since the Chechen wars, only the well-being of officials has changed, as well as their number many times exceeded the number of personnel of the RF Armed Forces.
  36. +10
    17 August 2022 17: 36
    Wah. What simplicity.
    "reason - false reports, fictitious results"

    And what, did everyone suddenly lose their memory on the 24th? Everyone suddenly forgot that they have been feeding promises, projects, revelations and excuses almost since 2000.
    What kind of PR / promise you don’t take - either the terms are tyutyu, the felts are the quantity, or not fulfilled at all.
    Starting with the "fight against corruption", "vigorous Burevestnik", "all signs are in Russian", "free Wi-Fi in any transport", "2000 armat", "Endogan is a killer and terrorist", "Moon in 2015" etc.

    And suddenly, once, and on the 24th, everyone forgot everything old, and believed the new? Hardly.
    Rather, everyone understands everything, but they are used to nodding at the TV, and they quickly forget lies ....

    Scold, nod and forget......
    1. -2
      18 August 2022 12: 46
      Not only this. Everyone is still afraid, because "Glorious Traditions" everyone knows. Therefore, officially, on camera, in front of witnesses, everyone speaks in unison. And in the kitchen, and in front of "their own", they say what they think.

      That is why you cannot trust all these polls, from Blevada Center to others. The only adequate statistics in the state is from the FSO centers, but it is not available to mere mortals. Judging by my feeling, the figure of 60% is not enough.
  37. -2
    17 August 2022 18: 26
    Questions to the author. Why is the comparison with Verdun and why is the year 1916 taken as a basis? I am not a very strong specialist in WWI, but I know something about it and I can’t find anything in common at close range. Let's start off with. that the Germans were exhausted there, the second moment, approximately equal armies fought there, and do you seriously consider the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation equal armies? This is the second question.
    The third is that trench warfare may look like WWI, but why not take 1918? Then, as now, the Allied forces advanced at a snail's pace, but still they advanced step by step. The only difference is that there was an approximate parity in artillery and the enemy was squeezed out by tanks, but here there is no parity in artillery, and front-line aviation is working. Planes stopped flying over my head, although they arrived in Sevastopol. you see them in the air all the time, but the helicopters on the video are sent all the time.
    Superiority in manpower cannot compensate for the shortage of artillery, armored vehicles and the lack of aviation as such, well, apart from drones, yes, the enemy has more of them. Our Armed Forces are able to hit the enemy’s territory to the full depth, well, tell me that I’m doing hat-throwing?
    1. -2
      18 August 2022 18: 09
      "Our armed forces are able to hit enemy territory to the full depth,"
      technically yes. but in real life, something does not grow together
      1. -1
        19 August 2022 01: 00
        What doesn't grow for you? They slapped him in Vinnitsa, for example.
        1. -3
          19 August 2022 09: 07
          "for example, they slapped Vinnitsa."
          this, in the sense, occupied the winery? or got into it, from something? Agree, a little different things. and then there with railway tracks, tunnels, bridges on the border with Europe? Or is it easier to get into the winery?
          1. -1
            19 August 2022 09: 30
            Are you going to have a serious talk, or have you decided to arrange a solo performance? I clearly said for those. who followed the news. For stupid trolls, I hope this is not about you, railroad tracks to interrupt with rockets are a stupid task.
            1. -3
              19 August 2022 09: 52
              "interrupting railway tracks with rockets is a stupid occupation"
              .maybe not rockets, you can bombs, you can artillery, you can DRG. and what is there in the winery that hitting it caused you such joy?
              1. +1
                21 August 2022 07: 34
                Have you heard about the house of officers? Yes, they said about it from every iron that before the bombs, well, since they don’t use it, they probably don’t want to lose planes for your satisfaction. Maybe reinsurance, but it always seems to me that up there, not idiots are sitting.
                1. -2
                  21 August 2022 09: 46
                  "Have you heard about the officers' house?"
                  heard something. there a huge number of enemies destroyed. The only question is, who counted them? Konashenko from Moscow
                  1. -1
                    21 August 2022 10: 05
                    Is it important for you to count to the last clerk? It is clear that there were representatives of the higher and senior officer corps, the resource is scarce. For example, the ex-head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Muzhenko has experience in commanding a battalion, despite the fact that he has a good education, he studied in Leningrad. Where can they get specialists?
                    1. -2
                      21 August 2022 14: 15
                      "It is clear that there were representatives of the higher and senior officer corps,"
                      who is clear? did you count them?
                      1. -1
                        21 August 2022 18: 38
                        No, there were only those who were going to whiten and paint, do you hear yourself, or are you just playing the fool?
                      2. -3
                        22 August 2022 10: 16
                        "Do you hear yourself, or are you just acting like a fool?"
                        I can ask you the same question, but I asked about something else - who counted them?
                    2. -2
                      21 August 2022 14: 18
                      "Let's say the ex-head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Muzhenko has experience in commanding a battalion"
                      fuck, a whole battalion commander !!! and I commanded a company, at one time, and there are acquaintances, up to and including the division commander. and what, this battalion commander is an unsurpassed military leader?
    2. +2
      19 August 2022 00: 20
      The answer is simple.
      - Fatigue from SVO.
      Hence the criticism of the generals. Hence the search and, the saddest thing, finding flaws in weapons and MTS. People remember well that drumbeat about the RF Armed Forces. In fact, many things turned out to be wrong.
      There are also questions on military planning, there are questions on political decisions.
      1. 0
        21 August 2022 07: 36
        And every time I remember the little-known battle on the Chernaya River on August 4, 1855, when, after repelling the assault on Sevastopol, society began to put pressure on the command, and it was led, the result was a defeat and the fall of Sevastopol. We didn’t lose so many people, there were much more in the Inkerman battle, but the results were catastrophic.
  38. -7
    17 August 2022 19: 19
    the author should be sent to war, again snot and tears, that something went wrong. Yes, everything went wrong, there are many reasons and everyone understands, the trouble is that initially the whole action was called a special military operation. I will not analyze the reasons failures of the Russian leadershipand the army, we see them, but now the question is already about the start of the war, and this is another song, guys, and the author writes about it. This will no longer be a special operation, but the destruction of the sovereign state of Ukraine, the dismemberment and liquidation of the state of Ukraine in that administrative and political form in which it now exists. And for this, our state, represented by the leadership of the country, was initially unprepared not politically, not economically, not militarily. Hence the political throwing and gestures of goodwill. or its leadership will not be given any chance for peace with Russia. A war of depletion of resources begins. And here it is necessary to act tough and cruel and forget about good Ukrainians and other collusion, and business to understand that, as before, no one will fly to London, they will have to invest in Russia. Shoigu stop doing all sorts of garbage in the form of races and competitions, expel the head of the General Staff of the stupid Gerasimov from his understandable theories of war and centric wars of the future. And just like the military charter of the army teaches to start fighting, the FSB to catch spies and saboteurs and not to cover banks. Let each leader in his workplace go about his business in this terrible time. we’ll discuss it later. War is not about wearing a helmet with horns and white boots, it’s sweat, blood, and then you know yourself. which, in fact, the war turned out to be bullshit and zilch. We will defeat the West, we don’t need to excite and right-wing us, though it’s on our side, but with the leaders it’s somehow not good, everything is somehow wooden, plus the country’s leadership somehow vaguely explains to its population what we want from everything that's going on.
    1. +1
      18 August 2022 21: 18
      Quote from: odisey3000
      But again, we said goodbye to Ukraine being under the complete control of the United States, and she or her leadership will not be given any chance for peace with Russia.

      Excuse me, but how could the supreme authorities of the country miscalculate? Did they not know that the Zelensky clown is a puppet? Didn't know that the United States would fight with the Russian Federation until the last Ukrainian?
      Quote from: odisey3000
      Shoigu stop doing all sorts of garbage in the form of races and competitions,

      The funny thing is that he is not going to quit doing anything like that. On the day of the Navy, he went to Kronstadt, watched how his daughter mastered billions of rubles of the Moscow Region, rebuilding the entertainment center Island of Forts. No one is going to change anything up there. And they didn’t hang noodles for them, but they hang the whole people for 22 years.
  39. -2
    17 August 2022 21: 16
    Yes .... Unpleasant events are happening here in the Voronezh, Kursk, Bryansk regions, in the Crimea ...
    Why is mirror identification not organized in/on?
  40. +2
    17 August 2022 21: 24
    Absolutely agree with the author. I remember some stupid person from the regulars of our political talk shows in all seriousness assured that in the event of a war between Russia and Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would unanimously stand under our banners. Apparently, our generals also thought so when they decided to immediately capture Kyiv with a dashing cavalry raid. When they realized that the Ukrainian soldiers would defend their homeland in the same way as the Russians - to the last drop, it was already too late. 1300 killed in the first month howl ... sorry, operations. And this is only official data, excluding NM LDNR! In almost everything that is needed to conduct a started mobile war: communications, intelligence, equipment for UAVs, speed of decision-making, etc., the enemy surpasses us head and shoulders. And the fault lies with our military and political leadership. With the light hand of Serdyukov, effective managers got into our MO, and Shoigu is also in no hurry to get them out of there. Just look at our sexy generals! They would be on the podium! We saved on everything that is possible. All this has to be paid for with the blood of our guys. At the moment, our military has come to an absolutely correct decision, in my opinion: to use our advantage in the number of artillery pieces and missiles. This saves the lives of soldiers, but destroys the entire infrastructure. As a result, we get only ruins, destroyed by us, which will have to be restored, and again, to us. To all those who are annoyed by the too slow advance of our troops in the Donbass and who wish "to the bitter end" and "at any cost" and "we can repeat", I advise you to ask what our fighters on the front line think about this, only without a camera and without superiors . Hear a lot of new things for yourself. I think that now there is peace, but also not at any cost, but on acceptable terms (what has fallen is gone), otherwise it would be a mockery of the blessed memory of the dead, it would be the best option for Russia.
    1. +2
      18 August 2022 12: 02
      "I think that now there is peace, but also not at any cost, but on acceptable terms (what has fallen is gone), otherwise it would be a mockery of the blessed memory of the dead, it would be the best option for Russia" - an absolutely false message. Imagine that you are undergoing a serious abdominal operation, with which some difficulties arose. Are you suggesting that you put all your offal back and sew it up? The analogy is clear, I hope.
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 18: 00
        The analogy is clear, but comparing a military operation with a surgical one is probably not entirely true. More precisely, true, but up to certain limits. Otherwise, most hot conflicts would never end. Initially, the declared tasks of the NWO were the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. Now is the time to admit that with the very limited forces allocated for its implementation, they are not feasible. And the formations of the volunteer corps can only make up for the losses for a while. In the end, the lack of motorized infantry will lead to the inability to continue active hostilities. It is noticeable even now. While conducting active operations in two or three areas in the Donbass, in the rest of the space, our Armed Forces are limited to preemptive counterattacks. And there can be only two ways out of this situation: general mobilization and the restructuring of industry on a war footing, or negotiations. Are you ready now to leave your family, work, and go to the barracks? And let them not send you to the front line. Most likely, the reservists will take the places of contract soldiers sent to Ukraine. But what about mortgages and car loans? What about tuition fees for children? What about older parents who need support? Right now, while our offensive has not completely fizzled out, and it is necessary to negotiate. Ideally, of course, one would like to fence oneself off from the already boring neighbor with a buffer state. Let it be Novorossiya or whatever. It would be even better if a natural barrier, such as the Dnieper, would lie between it and Nezalezhnaya. And I would also like to break through a land corridor in the PMR. And I really want to eliminate Yuzhmash and the entire air defense system of Ukraine. But we must proceed from what we have at the moment, and not set excessive goals. In the meantime, we see a very slow progress, and the promises of our propagandists that the front is about to crumble remain empty words.
        The 300th Volunteer Corps is very good, Iranian UAVs are very wonderful! But as a means of pressure on the Ukrainian delegation in future negotiations. One can also recall the ten thousand Syrians who once promised to help "their Russian brothers." By the way, no one knows where their good intentions have gone? You can also start a rumor that Russia has agreed with the Taliban to send an entire brigade to help us. Or even divisions. And push as big concessions as possible. It is not for nothing that Erdogan is now in Ukraine, after meeting with Putin.
        1. 0
          19 August 2022 09: 12
          1. "Initially, the declared tasks of the NWO were the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine" - the goals have not changed. I have not heard a single statement from representatives of the VPR about changing the goals of the NWO. 2. "it's time to admit that they are unfeasible with the very limited forces allocated for its implementation" - sorry, but how do you know what plans our VPR has? Now precisely those tasks are being solved, with precisely those forces and means, at exactly the pace that is needed. 3. "Are you ready now to leave your family, work, and go to the barracks?" - Yes. And you?)) 4. "Right now, until our offensive has finally run out of steam, and we need to negotiate" - as far as I understand, you follow Ukrainian/Western narratives in interpreting events. Wrong approach. 5. "So far, we see progress is very slow" - see item 2 above. 6. "means of pressure on the Ukrainian delegation in future negotiations" - the negotiations made sense at the beginning of the NWO. Now our condition can only be the unconditional surrender of Ukraine. You haven't forgotten that we still need to move NATO towards the borders of 1997, right? :)
          1. +1
            19 August 2022 12: 40
            Quote from Diver0
            1. "Initially, the declared tasks of the NWO were the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine" - the goals have not changed. I have not heard a single statement from representatives of the VPR about changing the goals of the NWO.

            You have to be able to read between the lines. Not everything is told to us openly. It all started as "SVO for the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine." These were its goals declared by our leadership: to disarm or destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions and change the ruling regime in Kyiv. I don’t remember when, about a month after the start, it was quietly renamed “NVO for the Liberation of Donbass.” Do you feel the difference? Now there is no talk of overthrowing the regime, but only the liberation of as much territory as possible from this regime. Donbass is a purely conditional name here, apparently meaning everything that can be captured. As for the accusations of cowardice, I will be honest: I am not ready to give my life for goals that are not entirely clear to me! No one attacked my homeland! But this is my personal position.
            And let's be honest. With the infusion of a large number of new fighters into the warring units, will the advance be greatly accelerated? I think - not very much. Saturation of subunits with manpower reserves will make it possible to conduct an offensive no longer on two or three sectors of the front. But it will still be at first the work of artillery and MLRS to mix the enemy’s manpower with the wonderful Ukrainian black soil and only then the infantry will occupy their positions. We will be forced to wage just such a leisurely war with a leisurely advance. For maneuver operations in the spirit of the American "Desert Storm" air supremacy is required, which we cannot afford, since we have not succeeded in destroying the Ukrainian air defense. A dense swarm of reconnaissance and strike drones hanging in the air could correct the situation, but the enemy greatly surpasses us in quantity and quality in this component. Even with a great superiority in manpower and armored vehicles, we will not be able to increase the rate of advance of our army, except by sacrificing the lives of soldiers.
            I would like to say about the economic expediency of general mobilization. Men of the most productive age will go under the gun, whose place in production will need to be replaced by someone. In the reserve there will be only patients unfit for combat (and in many cases the disease is caused by addiction to alcohol), women and pensioners. How much do you think they will raise productivity? Our economy has been in recession for several years already and is growing only according to Rosstat documents. And after the imposition of sanctions, it is generally in a stressful situation. And only God knows how to get out of this situation further.
            1. 0
              23 August 2022 11: 13
              1. "You must be able to read between the lines" - ah, of course. In other words, to speculate in accordance with their own, possibly erroneous, ideas)). 2. "I'll be honest: I'm not ready to give my life for goals that are not entirely clear to me!" - so if you do not understand the meaning of CBO, then it would be reasonable to keep your incompetence to yourself. It does not occur to me to enter into a discussion on topics in which I am incompetent. 3. "When a large number of new fighters are poured into the warring units" - excuse me, but did someone talk about general mobilization, or are you fantasizing again? 4. "dense swarm of reconnaissance and attack drones hanging in the air" - our opponents also do not have the "drone swarms" you fantasized. 5. "general mobilization" - again twenty-five: you yourself came up with a general mobilization and you yourself talk about its negative factors. PS As far as I understand, you are a big dreamer)).
              1. 0
                25 August 2022 11: 25
                You can interpret my words however you like. I don't... Maybe I'll surprise you, but 99% of the people who leave comments here are incompetent in what they comment. Including you and me. Or am I mistaken, and you are a retired officer, or a high-ranking representative of the military-industrial complex? Then sorry. As for the UAV, the "dense swarm" is not my fantasy. By the way, the Azerbaijani army won in the mountainous regions of Karabakh, which are hard to reach for heavy equipment, precisely due to the presence of a developed and extensive fleet of drones, which Armenia could not boast of. And there were not only "Bayraktars", if I'm not mistaken, somewhere up to ten types, mainly of Israeli production. And at the beginning of the NMD, the Ukrainian army was equipped in this component, let's say, very well. In addition to the Bayraktars, there were several types of American UAVs. Negotiations were underway on the supply of the American analogue of "Bayraktar", the production of their own drones was being prepared. Yes, there is no longer a dense swarm after several months of the war, but the allies are trying and large batches of these weapons are delivered to Ukraine promptly. But that's not the point. To conduct a positional defensive war, they are not needed in such quantities. A "dense swarm" is required to conduct a modern, mobile offensive war. A subunit advancing on the order of its commander to the area indicated by him must know what forces the enemy has in it and what positions are equipped there. Otherwise, it will be like on a hackneyed video filmed by a Ukrainian drone, when their tank shoots at point-blank range from an ambush a column of our infantry fighting vehicles (or armored personnel carriers - I don’t remember), who are not even aware of his presence. It is for this reason that with the change of commander, tactics also changed dramatically. Now there is a gradual grinding of enemy military equipment and manpower by artillery and MLRS. Hence the snail's pace of progress. By the way, it was then that the SVO was renamed. And finally, friendly advice, if you want to continue to argue, you should not get personal. Next time I'll just "keep my incompetence to myself" and won't answer.
                1. 0
                  29 August 2022 15: 49
                  1. "and you are a retired officer" - exactly)). 2. "As for the UAV, the "thick swarm" is not my fantasy" - "swarm" is not quantity, it's quality)). Namely, a completely different level of interaction between drones of different classes based on artificial intelligence.
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2022 11: 03
                    "When a large number of new fighters are poured into the warring units" - excuse me, but did someone talk about general mobilization, or are you fantasizing again?" It seems that my fantasies are starting to come true.
  41. +1
    17 August 2022 22: 49
    Who is Yan Sokolovsky? What kind of "authority", the first time I hear.
    1. 0
      18 August 2022 08: 31
      He sits in Poland and juggles numbers according to Nata's training manual .... Provocateur, such in Moscow in the Second World War without trial or investigation ...
      1. +1
        20 August 2022 00: 34
        I am not sitting in Poland, not an agent of the State Department). A Russian nationalist, he was in the ranks of the RNU. He just didn’t make a supply of hats, like some cheers are patriots, but analyzed everything that was happening since 2014 both in Ukraine and in our Armed Forces. Just like many residents of Russia, he hoped for the first time at the beginning of the NWO that the Russian army will show itself in all its glory, with all the new products. But in the end, only death, grief and disappointment, and the question is, how many mansions were built, expensive cars were bought and the children of officials were trained with the money that was allocated for re-equipment and modernization?
    2. +3
      18 August 2022 12: 48
      It doesn't matter who he is, even a janitor. It matters what he says!
  42. +12
    17 August 2022 23: 25
    I read the article and 170 comments to it. Most people agree with the author.
    But do what? Let's say you're all right. What to do next? Nobody dares to write.
    Is it possible to get the pitchfork out of the barn and onto the square?
    So the West started all this for this ... And in general, this is already some kind of 1917.
    Can anyone say something smart?
    1. -3
      18 August 2022 11: 59
      "Let's assume you're all right" - in the same way, you can assume that the majority of those who agree with the author are wrong. The true state of affairs is not determined by the majority (especially virtual ones) - this is quite obvious ...))
      1. +6
        18 August 2022 12: 18
        Let's say you are right.
        "Next what to do?"
        1. +2
          18 August 2022 13: 52
          1. "Let's say YOU are right" - that "the true state of affairs is not determined by the majority (especially virtual)"? I'm right without "let's say")) 2. "Next, what should I do?" - sorry, what are you talking about specifically (there are a lot of different interpretations of the meaning of your question)? Please clarify what you mean... :)
      2. -1
        19 August 2022 15: 07
        Quote from Diver0
        "Let's say you're all right"
        The key phrase is different:
        Quote: Raven-95
        Is it possible to get the pitchfork out of the barn and onto the square?
        Using the "Overton window" aimed at accepting the idea of ​​a violent seizure of power (Art. 278 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation): from 12 to 20 years. I think this kind of rhetoric will only intensify in the future.
    2. -1
      18 August 2022 12: 50
      Look at the root, my friend! wink But what can you do? You probably can't do anything.
  43. +1
    17 August 2022 23: 35
    The author is right! Delaying the operation leads to losses. It is necessary to create superiority in forces and attack from all available directions, and not allow the transfer of reserves. It's better to lose 5000 in two months than 20000 in a year. This I exaggerated of course. But the longer we mess around, the more time we give the enemy time to prepare reserves, and the west to supply weapons and ammunition. I think everyone will agree with me that if we were on the western border, then there would be no supplies. No artillery, no ATGMs, no MLRS. And I don’t need to talk about the sofa and the draft board. If I could because of my health, I would volunteer. I have many friends and close relatives fighting there, so I know the information first hand. A lot of things were told when they came on vacation. To be honest, I had a better opinion about our army before this operation.
    1. -4
      17 August 2022 23: 52
      A bit of history:

      Quote: Klonser 25.10.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX
      I like such dreamers. He has nothing against the SP. And where did you see the Caliber in the container? On the poster? They are not in metal! And will not

      Here you screwed up, agree.

      Quote: Klonser
      I have many friends and close relatives fighting there, so I know the information first hand ...

      ... and everything is not so clear there?

      Quote: Klonser
      A lot of things were told when they came on vacation. I honestly had a better opinion about our army before this operation

      Well, for sure ... a Crimean woman, an officer's daughter ... under the rack - a march negative
  44. +1
    17 August 2022 23: 59
    Well written article. According to the textbook from the State Department. Colleagues, do not bother with the next "mishandled Cossack" from the Ministry of Truth of Dill. As a specialist familiar with the basics of propaganda, I will tell you what the purpose of this author is. Discrediting the high command of the Russian Army. "Sokolovsky Yan" earned his 1000 bucks. Even on formal grounds, this author can be banned. And if you conduct a linguistic examination, then he may well qualify for a criminal article. Judging by some + and - I think he works in a team or through bots.
  45. 0
    18 August 2022 02: 27
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    but at the same time, 65% would also approve of his intention to stop the special operation and sign a peace agreement.
    Do not lie, we do not have 65% of liberals! fool

    I thought so too. But I read the comments, looked at the ratings ... And I made a sad conclusion for myself - there is something around this figure, even on this site. M-yes...
    1. +2
      19 August 2022 15: 41
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      there is something around this figure, even on this site
      Why "even on this site"? And where else can they go? Not to a general mathematical forum or "Super Moms".
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 17: 58
        Because it is positioned as military-patriotic.
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 18: 32
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Because it is positioned as military-patriotic.
          Probably not a single site positions itself as military-defeatist. So, the path for the defeatists is only here. Moreover, they are not offended here, conditions for reproduction have been created, as in a reserve.
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 19: 40
            I didn't think about it that way, but you're probably right.
  46. -2
    18 August 2022 02: 58
    One gets the impression that the leadership of our General Staff is maintaining a months-long pause at the front, waiting for an escalation of tension and an increase in the risks of a full-scale mahalka with the entire NATO bloc, perhaps they are waiting for well-aimed hits on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the destruction of the reactor and the emergence of a second Chernobyl. Perhaps our generals and top-level politicians are simply not able to rethink what is happening, to assess the significance of the time factor and the full degree of threat looming over Russia due to the fact that the NMD is initially conducted by a clearly insufficient composition of forces and means. One way or another, but now. in light of the fact that neither mobilization nor a decisive onslaught from our side is expected, which means that the SVO will most likely develop into a HZCH (hell knows what), it is more relevant to raise issues of protecting the country from weapons of mass destruction. For the remaining, presumably, months before the use of nuclear weapons, forced or provoked by adversaries, it is necessary to bring the shelter for the population into working condition, morally tune in to the imminent "all-Russian thermonuclear insight", emergency mobilization and the emergence of several fronts at once. It is necessary to prepare for a transient tragedy to replace the slowed-down SVO!
  47. 0
    18 August 2022 04: 49
    In fact, neither we nor they need it, global issues are being resolved - we learned a lot of "good" things about our "partners".
  48. +8
    18 August 2022 07: 12
    and indeed, since Russia is at war with the entire West, why does it continue to drive oil and gas to this very West? It is hard to imagine that the USSR during the Second World War would have invested in the German national debt.
  49. -1
    18 August 2022 07: 52
    What is an article of sympathizers of the ukroreyhu doing on this resource? Exactly this way and nothing else, because it is the Ukrainian Reich and the geyropa sponsoring them that need a break and time to regroup
  50. -5
    18 August 2022 08: 29
    The author can be advised to go into a distant trench and shoot himself .... so that the air does not spoil ... or fell over a hillock, there he will find like-minded people. Before us is a typical provocateur who plays with numbers as he wants ...
  51. +3
    18 August 2022 08: 59
    At the beginning of the SVO, I was against delaying time.
    After the failed attack, I now think the tactics were correct. It is necessary to carry out agitation and propaganda work throughout the entire territory of Ukraine and especially in the east.
    Recruit militia and defense units from the DRG. To tune people into a different wavelength and give historical courses through all channels.
    In this way we will save our people and reduce the destruction that will have to be reconstructed later.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 09: 42
      We also need to immediately fill the power vacuum in the liberated territories. Immediately identify all "ukrozavisimy" and send them to hell. Local authorities that have anything to do with Urina in the past should not be allowed into power. Lustration, if you like! People must see that we have come forever, that they are Ours. I recently spoke with a man who spent time in Severodonetsk from February to May. So he said that for dill they were separators, and the LPR calls them dill. This will not work.
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  53. -2
    18 August 2022 11: 37
    An amazing thing - massive split personalities.

    Heh... heh... I was still in the USSR and I remember everything.....

    Society AT THE SAME TIME votes FOR the liberals in elections (or doesn’t vote at all, which is nothing), recognizes their management, but how do you read... ... As if we, under the leadership of Stalin, are still moving towards glorious heights..... In my opinion, this is worse than any nonsense.
  54. 0
    18 August 2022 11: 53
    Didn’t it occur to the author that we conduct SVO exactly as we see fit, and not as we are “forced” (in the author’s opinion)?))
  55. -2
    18 August 2022 12: 26
    I often ask myself the question - what if I mobilize, will I go to the front? Yes, I’ll be honest, I’m scared. But I will go and perhaps I will already be disposed of in the first days at the front. But we are alone against a pack of greedy and bloodthirsty world demons. Let's give up now - there will never be more of us.
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  57. 0
    18 August 2022 12: 35
    Quote: super-vitek
    Why the hell publish such articles??? For what??? Admins, do you watch what you post??? Whatever happens next, now there’s this whining and nah. No one needs it!!! And without such all-prosral scribbles it’s hard, and such downs also remove the grain of doubt in the fragile minds of ordinary people!!! War has always been, is and will be a difficult matter!!! Expensive!!! For any country!!! But we have no choice!!! Only a victory!!! At least on the T-34 there is only victory!!!

    Are you already in the trenches, warrior?
  58. 0
    18 August 2022 12: 39
    Quote: Arkady007
    At the beginning of the SVO, I was against delaying time.
    After the failed attack, I now think the tactics were correct. It is necessary to carry out agitation and propaganda work throughout the entire territory of Ukraine and especially in the east.
    Recruit militia and defense units from the DRG. To tune people into a different wavelength and give historical courses through all channels.
    In this way we will save our people and reduce the destruction that will have to be reconstructed later.

    Wow!!! You’re on the couch, and the residents of Donbass should die for your interests?! He saves his people! And those people are not our own?!
    1. -2
      19 August 2022 15: 57
      Quote from Antey
      You’re on the couch, and the residents of Donbass should die for your interests?!
      Are you making comments from TsIPsO?
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  60. 0
    18 August 2022 13: 02
    I would not engage in hating. We have not tested the situation much, now we understand the actions of the opponents, what we are preparing for and what needs to be done. Ukraine showed its fascist grin, everything is in the hands of Ukraine and their citizens, if they want to at least slightly preserve the territory of their country, then Zelensky should capitulate. Well, we are slowly moving forward and something important: the operation is taking place in the neighboring territory.
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  63. 0
    18 August 2022 15: 10
    When it’s already - “I’m tired, I’m leaving.”
    1. Kim
      0
      26 August 2022 07: 40
      Ze will leave, Zyu or Zya will come
      “until the last Ukrainian soldier” is not just words
  64. +2
    18 August 2022 16: 02
    I agree with the author on only one thesis - the Northern Military District has shown the weakness of our army, and often these are problems stemming from the organizational and financial level - i.e. above. The rest is just a stream of personal beliefs, experiences and voicing one’s own opinion. This can be told to a group of comrades in a personal conversation at a meeting. But why write this in the form of an article for everyone to see on VO???? Unclear?

    And about the SVO. The primary problem is that everything has already dragged on - the command clearly planned everything for a quick operation. We didn’t expect that it would still go on, I think they were counting on it for a month or so.

    The General Staff, of course, does not tell anyone about this, but the conclusions that the operation was planned as a quick one are based on observation of the conduct of battles from the very beginning of the Northern Military District. The best thing here, of course, is to write a separate article with an analysis of why the Russian Armed Forces planned a quick operation.

    But as we see now, the pressure and success are far from what they were at the beginning. In fact, the last serious breakthrough was the liberation of Mariupol. And then, the battles for him went on for quite a long time, and after control we spent a lot of time on Azovstal. But since then, everything has stopped near major cities. Moreover, some sections of the front stabilized and developed into a positional struggle even BEFORE Mariupol.

    Of course, not all of the Russian Armed Forces are fighting in Ukraine, but there is still a large contingent. And here’s the problem: Ukraine, of course, suffered terrible losses in the first couple of months and retreated. But at the same time, she mobilized and gathered strength. And now, judging by how everything has settled into a positional struggle, it has become equal in strength to the contingents of the Russian Armed Forces and the LDPR army. Its mobilization has also been strengthened by the fact that it receives significant assistance from NATO countries. And probably the most important help, which allowed us to equalize forces, was intelligence. NATO forces are conducting full-scale reconnaissance operations in Ukraine and Russia. They are watching our airfields, military bases, railway junctions, ports, our fleet, and contact lines. They provide Ukraine with a large number of tactical reconnaissance assets (from drones to counter-battery radars), provide operational level data (through data from AWACS aircraft and low-orbit satellites) and strategic level intelligence data (NATO satellite constellation and intelligence services). As a result, the Ukrainian army is equal in number or even superior to ours and the LDPR. And at the same time, unlike us, he acts in a well-informed environment. In terms of the level of technical equipment, due to the fact that the quantity and quality of supplies of systems and weapons for Ukraine is only growing, it will soon become equal (although in UAVs as an aerial reconnaissance device, it was initially superior), and then it will begin to surpass us.

    The main problem with delaying the SVO is that the longer the SVO goes on, the more and better NATO helps Ukraine. Its army is becoming more and more experienced, its equipment is getting better and its supplies are getting stronger and stronger. While with us, it’s the other way around. The longer the war goes on, the more our supplies become depleted. Considering the size of our army and its weapons reserves, we will not run out of them anytime soon. But the problem is that the situation may continue to worsen and then the rate of use of our reserves will increase, which means the reserves themselves will begin to disappear faster and faster. Ukraine, as we remember, does not have such a problem; it is supplied from outside by countries that are not at war and some of which are also large industrial countries (Germany and France, for example).

    And from this we could conclude that over the next six months, even taking into account the transition of the conflict to the positional phase, we still have a guaranteed advantage.

    But no one guarantees that in the near future, nothing will change in the composition of the parties to the conflict and will not change the balance of power.

    For example, Poland. Everyone has long known and obviously the Russophobic policies of recent presidents. The ideas of returning part of the territories of western Ukraine under the influence of Poland (not necessarily in the form of seizure) are also known. And who can guarantee that Poland will not introduce a limited contingent (limited does not mean small) of “volunteers” to provide assistance to Ukraine. This will sharply shift the preponderance of power to the Ukrainian side. In terms of the number of IEDs + Polish soldiers, they are guaranteed to be larger than us and the LDPR. And this means an increased concentration of soldiers in areas of contact or the opportunity to assemble strike groups in weak areas of the front. At the same time, the Polish army, no matter how much you laugh at them, is quite a serious force. Equipped with a large number of modern weapons, and unlike Ukraine, its soldiers already know how to use all NATO equipment and weapons and are already integrated into the intelligence network of the same NATO. In addition, if Poland begins to actively help Ukraine, it will be able to expand Ukraine’s ability to use its airfields, which we will not be able to block. Not to mention the fact that by “transferring” some of their fighters to Ukraine, they can actually put their already trained pilots in them. Much like how the USSR and China sent their pilots to the Korean War in the 50s. Officially, China and the Union did not participate in the war, but their pilots and planes (under the guise of Korean ones) helped the DPRK. So what’s stopping Poland, and perhaps other countries, from doing the same? And this is already a threat of Ukraine seizing air supremacy.

    Moreover, another NATO member, Turkey, is also not sitting idle. Despite the fact that she plays her own game a little. This country is still a NATO member with the second largest (after the United States) army in the bloc. On the one hand, it blocked the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. But as time has shown, they did this in order to get lucrative offers for themselves (they say they will agree to remove the veto if they are sold new fighters for their UDC), while they still see us as a competitor. The main geopolitical goal for Turkey now is to eliminate a competitor that is preventing the spread of influence to the necessary regions. And this competitor is Russia. To weaken or distract Russia now means opening the way for itself to expand its influence in the Middle East and strengthen its grouping in the Black Sea.
    1. +1
      19 August 2022 22: 58
      and in Poland they know about your “conclusions”?....are they ready to fight with a nuclear power?
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    1. -1
      18 August 2022 18: 29
      “Putin said that we haven’t started fighting yet!”
      Putin didn’t say anything
      1. +1
        19 August 2022 02: 42
        This is a humorous comment (probably)
    2. 0
      19 August 2022 12: 08
      And you apparently served, but to no avail. You are apparently one of those campaigners who foams at the mouth to prove that he served at the training ground and therefore knows for sure that the SVD cartridge can be fired from a Kalash, because both are 7.62.
      I'll tell you this, you don't need to be a cook to understand that the soup is salty. And you don’t have to be a plumber to understand that water isn’t coming out of your tap. Moreover, you may not be a certified cook or plumber, but you can cook excellent pilaf and repair a toilet. I didn’t work in the housing office, but I repair all the plumbing, be healthy.
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  67. 0
    18 August 2022 19: 08
    Actually, I write without vehemence, I continue to think in the usual way. Sometimes I am visited by a feeling of misunderstanding and anger from that mediocre (sometimes with notes of sabotage) conduct of a special operation. Now, five months later, you can already understand why we have misses. The conclusion is disappointing: the reason is false reports, fictitious results.
    Deliberate lying is the heaviest crime.
    This lie is especially visible against the backdrop of restrictions on the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces over the territory controlled by the Ukronazis... and we were told back in March-April that the Ukronazi air defense system was almost completely destroyed...
  68. +2
    18 August 2022 19: 09
    People say the same thing, you don’t even have to read it: mischief, we’re marking time, everything was stolen, you’re all lying, everything is gone, there’s absolutely zero specifics.
    And the main conclusion is standard for this kind of scoundrels: crucify and imprison everyone.
    1. 0
      18 August 2022 21: 27
      Quote from Laszlo
      The standard conclusion for this kind of scoundrels is: crucify and imprison everyone.
      Do you propose to leave everything as is? Without crucifixions and landings? Then Rogozin needs to be returned to his place - a good professional!
      1. +1
        19 August 2022 00: 07
        No, I suggest fewer superficial views, hysterics, ridiculous criticism and more constructiveness.
        I don’t know about Rogozin; I didn’t work for Roscosmos. Not deeply immersed in the situation. Therefore, I keep my profane opinion to myself in this case, but I think the main problem is not Rogozin.
    2. -3
      19 August 2022 12: 01
      What other specifics do you need? Why don’t we watch famous bloggers in general? Are we not following the front at all? Can't read the contents of this site?
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 13: 44
        Everything you described is called a superficial, amateurish view. Watching bloggers and reading the content of the site will not make you a professional.
        Of course, it’s easier to descend into primitive populism: Everything was stolen, shot, every woman got a man, etc., than to understand the problem.
  69. 0
    18 August 2022 19: 19
    It is no longer possible to stop, otherwise the war will resume in about five years, and there will already be a completely different army against us.
  70. -1
    18 August 2022 21: 41
    Putin will stop the special operation anyway! Americans are investing huge sums in Ukraine! This is a business project, how can you not support it? They are lying to you and me about patriotism, but everyone knows that money has no smell! Wait and see!
  71. kig
    -1
    19 August 2022 06: 04
    Russian Field... why not Russian Field? Be that as it may, let the poll be conducted by Levada (a foreign agent) or our dear VCIOM - trusting public opinion polls, no matter what and no matter who conducts it, is not respecting yourself. Especially in our country, where they still remember the 37th, trials for jokes, and the current hunt for discreditors somehow does not contribute to the free expression of one’s opinion. Many people have nothing in their pockets, and the result of such a survey cannot truly reflect what the people think about power and where it calls us and leads us.

    Well, about the article and comments about why people don’t stand in lines at military registration and enlistment offices, about patriots and liberals... It’s very simple. The authorities failed to convince the people that Ukraine is entirely Banderaites and Nazis, that the Northern Military District is vital for a further successful future, that NATO, next to which the third generation already lives, has suddenly turned into a mortal threat with which it is impossible to talk. History already knows cases when the leaders of a certain large and powerful country suddenly decided that they had the right to teach other peoples how to live. It always ended sadly for the teachers. Nobody knows what will happen to us. We'll come to an agreement in about five years, to begin with.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 16: 16
      Quote: kig
      in our country, where they still remember the 37th... We’ll come to an agreement in five years
      Don't be upset, life doesn't end there. Google "Alarm suitcase. What you need to take with you to the pre-trial detention center"
  72. +1
    19 August 2022 06: 36
    ...what, everything is gone, the plaster is being removed, the client is leaving??!, you are funny sir...
  73. -2
    19 August 2022 06: 37
    All questions to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. We hired him together... but the results of his work are not impressive. no, of course, everything is in order with window dressing... and the formidable super-new equipment at parades... and daily training firing of powerful missiles somewhere into the distance on TV... and the annual worldwide Marlezon tank ballet... this is impressive. .. and six months of trampling under Donetsk leads to sad reflections - aren’t the rosy TV impressions of “we can repeat it” deceptive?
    1. +2
      19 August 2022 15: 56
      Deciding on SVO was already a courageous act. Like in the yard, if a fight is unavoidable, strike first. There is no doubt that there will be victory. Nothing will stop our troops, the ZSU will be beaten. You are simply insatiable for news, every other day you need to be told that we carried out another blitzkrieg and took someone’s capital. The calm at the front may be due to harvesting (war is war, but you have to eat), rotation of personnel, etc. The fact that the enemy strikes at this particular time is not surprising. About NATO, they provided Ukraine with the most intimate things - communications and information. Even at Azovstal the Nazis had the Internet. All air defense of Ukraine is now directed from the NATO command and control center, whose planes do not actually land, and all of Ukraine’s radar stations have been destroyed since the first days. I’m sure that the people in charge of the Hymers are not Peremogna residents either. Tank biathlon and aircraft darts are designed to popularize the armed forces and they cope with their task. And during the war, the army has new strategic decisions and new staffing and staffing schedules are introduced to adapt to new manners of conducting combat in modern conditions, with new equipment and against a trained enemy. Let's go through the crucible, NATO will not be a terrible opponent. Let's pull. So there is no need for defeatist articles and especially vague comments. There will be victory. And there will be a new elite. Just don’t cause trouble following the example of the author. So two GREAT POWERS have already collapsed. First the Empire, then the Union.
  74. -1
    19 August 2022 06: 54
    Quote: puzoter
    Look for the beam in your own eye. Who are you to publicly give such categorical assessments? Are you a great specialist? Do you have all the information? Do you know in detail the plans of our leadership and our opponents? Or did you just decide that your "brilliant mind" is so perfect that it can give estimates regardless of authority?

    The fact is, dear, that all the information necessary for comprehension has long been on the Internet in the public domain. And only those who don’t want to see it don’t see it. Over the past 20 years, in technical terms, Russia has churned out a couple of hundred units of modern weapons. For example, about 130 Ka-52s, about a hundred Mi-28s, and four hundred T-90s. And this is an indicator of the level of the economy and the possibility of its mobilization. Russia is fighting mainly with modest, uncut reserves of Soviet military equipment. This is about 8000 BMP-1, about 4000 BMP-2, about 6000 T-62, etc. for the whole of Russia. And this data from the network is quite inconsistent with Russia’s real “successes” at the front. And you don’t need to be a great strategist to figure out what’s what. It is enough to know the general data and compare them with reality. But many people know the state of things more deeply than they can simply “read on the Internet,” because they live in them. Therefore, if you personally like to drive yourself into idiocy by believing in mythical “hidden data”, then you must understand that for those who have been interested in the topic for a long time, this is idiocy and looks no matter how loudly you try to shout them down with your “urry” - screaming. Yes, many believed before the start of the SVO that the data from the network was understated, that everything was so bad, that Russia was secretly preparing for something, but the SVO showed that there was no secret. And there is treacherous theft, mischief, fraud, for which those who believed in Russia pay with their lives and health. And the trouble is that the latter are not endless and tend to end during unsuccessful military operations. And they really end! And the authorities buried their heads in the sand.
    1. +1
      19 August 2022 16: 11
      Your opinion reminded me of 17th year. Trench warfare, heavy losses, the people were tired. As a result, we are not among the winning countries. But they could chop off the straits... Now we also hate everything. Those in power have become fat, the king is not strong in spirit, there are traitors and thieves all around. How quickly they forgot 1996,1998, 1999, 2008, 90. There weren’t the right benefits, the market wasn’t saturated, and the army didn’t have the money to buy new weapons; they couldn’t pay salaries. You better look at the real successes of our government (we are no longer squandering everything like in the XNUMXs, etc.), our economy (not in crisis and we are not delaying salaries, etc.) and our Army (it is now pulling a lot of things)
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    1. -3
      19 August 2022 11: 27
      It's true. Moreover, it is also unclear who is grinding whom.
  76. +2
    19 August 2022 09: 05
    A few notes on the article:
    1. The author refers to the results of a certain Russian Field. I looked on the website what kind of organization this is. This is an individual entrepreneur who is at the stage of promoting his brand. These data should be relied upon with great caution.
    2. I would like to know on the basis of what data the author draws conclusions about the reduction in sorties, as well as about the maximum tension of our troops. Does he have access to this secret information? Therefore, in this part, his conclusions are not confirmed by objective information.
    3. The author concludes that the information provided by our authorities is completely false and does not provide examples. The author suggests taking his word for it?
    In general, the article does not contain objective facts, it is aimed only at emotions and the fatigue that exists among part of society from SVO.
    1. -3
      19 August 2022 11: 31
      I have access to this classified information. In general, everyone who has a fighting acquaintance has it. And there is also a head on his shoulders that makes him study military science. And it, not surprisingly, is built on clear numbers. And observing the correspondence between real numbers and standards is not so difficult. You don't have to wait for the "knowledgeable" talking heads on "60 Minutes" to explain something to you. Intelligence is the ability to collect knowledge, process it and use it. If you try, you will be able to gain access to “secret” data.
      However, the main secret of Russian secret data is that it is secret only from its own population. Moreover, the greater the jingoism, the more secrets there are for such people.
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 16: 24
        Quote: rtutaloe
        The main secret of Russian secret data is that it is secret only from its own population.
        And at “1+1” you will learn all our secrets...
  77. 0
    19 August 2022 09: 37
    The Pepsi generation in action...
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  79. +1
    19 August 2022 10: 50
    I support the author of the article.
    On my own behalf, I will add that, in addition to the question “Who is to blame?”, there is the question “What to do?”
    Therefore, I will draw attention to the positive things that we should take away from this difficult situation:
    1. Minimizing human losses.
    Do not drive people head-on into fortified areas, saturate the troops with artillery, means of defense, reconnaissance and communications.
    2. Take all measures to eliminate the technological gap. Do your own thing, don’t dress up dogs from Aliexpress.
    3. Strengthen unity within the country.
    A patriot is not someone who supports reds, whites, or nationalists. A patriot is one who serves the Motherland.
  80. 0
    19 August 2022 16: 15
    Quote: ramzay21
    If we were at war with NATO, then AWACS aircraft would constantly be hovering around the entire perimeter and five hundred “useless” F-35s, along with six to seven hundred F-15s, F-16s and Rafales, would land our hundred Su-35s and one hundred Su -34 in a week, if not earlier. This is not twenty ancient MiG-29s for you to drive

    I used to think so too. And now, after my own understanding, I understand that Western planes would most likely have burned on the ground under the attacks of our air defense, which are much more modern than the Ukrainian one. It just turns out that even the not so powerful air defense system that was inherited from the union has a powerful impact on aviation. Yes, our aviation most likely would not have flown, but NATO’s would not have flown either. And then there would be parity because the saturation of anti-tank weapons on both sides is maximum, so it would turn out to be cosplay of the First World War
  81. 0
    19 August 2022 16: 17
    Quote from Diver0
    Didn’t it occur to the author that we conduct SVO exactly as we see fit, and not as we are “forced” (in the author’s opinion)?))

    The beginning was definitely not as planned. And now it is quite possible that this kind of butting is the most acceptable for Russia. Because there is no strength to capture the whole of Ukraine. And even if we capture it, what to do with it with several tens of millions of unfriendly population.
  82. 0
    19 August 2022 23: 00
    The author Ian has already been repeatedly noticed as a whiner, an all-go-getter and a fluder....
  83. 0
    19 August 2022 23: 41
    One hundred percent of the population does not understand what is happening...
    And on TV they also show films about the bloody USSR and the victims of the KGB...
    This does not contribute to increasing the labor productivity of general machine operators, as well as welders and assemblers of composite materials.
    Such actions will not increase morale and productivity. hi
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  85. 0
    23 August 2022 15: 16
    Now the most effective means in the anti-fascist military operation is an embargo on the supply of strategic resources to Ukraine, the United States and NATO countries. In response to the robbery committed by a gang of Russophobes, defensive economic responses will be the most effective and fair step of Russia. To the lawsuits filed by a gang of Russophobes, counterclaims must be filed, which can already be filed now. Effective air defense is also important now. I believe that Russia now has a large number of Soviet anti-aircraft guns and ammunition for them in its arsenals. This is a very formidable weapon against Bandera’s drones, and they will also be useful against American missiles. It is high time to clear out the arsenals and distribute anti-aircraft weapons stored in the arsenals to all regions bordering the Square, as well as to the DPR and LPR. Bandera left behind many man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS) in the liberated areas. It is necessary to urgently distribute these trophies to all strategic sites and populated areas to protect them from shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And in general, I don’t understand why Russia is now wiping itself off and is embarrassed to give a hard blow to those who are in charge of the massacre of civilians in Ukraine and the shelling of cities and other populated areas. The majority of the rank and file in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is fighting against Russia, the LPR and the DPR under pressure, under threat of execution. The organizers of all crimes are the Bandera elite: Zelensky and his accomplices, who sold the lives of Ukrainian military personnel to the United States and thereby accumulated billions of dollars in capital for themselves. They need to be killed like they used to do in Chechnya. All the leaders of the bandits in Chechnya: Dudayev and his accomplices were destroyed, and this is what needs to be done in Ukraine. After this, no one will want to fight in the Square at all; the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers will throw down their weapons and run home. Nobody in Ukraine needs this war, they would all have given up by now, but on Zelensky’s orders, those who flee from the front in Square are shot. This means that in response to the executions, those who do not want to lay down their lives for Bandera’s supporters need to kill Zelensky himself, who, for war crimes committed in organizing massacres in the Donbass and Ukraine as a whole, has long become a war criminal and is subject to destruction under the laws of wartime .
  86. Kim
    0
    26 August 2022 07: 38
    "In my opinion"
    everyone has the right to an opinion, that's true
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    "hysterical squirrels" (c) Trukhan