The American company Planet.Labs claims that the presented satellite images show the consequences of explosions at the airfield in Novofedorovka

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In the account of the American company Planet.Labs, engaged in satellite sensing of the Earth's surface (often in the interests of the US military), photographs appeared, which allegedly depicted the airfield in Novofedorovka. We are talking about a military facility on which explosions thundered a few days ago, including shots by local residents and tourists. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, commenting on the incident, on the same day reported that the cause of the explosions was the careless handling of aviation ammunition. After some time, the notorious politician Oleg Tsarev, referring to a friend who participated in extinguishing a fire in Novofedorovka (Crimea), stated that all aviation equipment at the airfield was intact.

If the Planet.Labs satellite images really correspond to the airfield near the city of Saki of the Republic of Crimea, then the statements that there were no losses of military equipment sound, to put it mildly, strange.





On the pictures you can see the territory of the airfield, where several combat aircraft were damaged or completely destroyed. Also noteworthy are traces similar to funnels from explosions. Moreover, some of these traces are not located at the parking lots of specific aviation facilities, but at some distance from them.



Recall that the Ukrainian side denies the fact of shelling the territory of the airfield in Crimea. However, adviser to the head of Zelensky’s office, Mikhail Podolyak, immediately after the emergency in Novofedorovka, said that “the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be engaged in the demilitarization of Crimea.” And in the American press, citing an unnamed Ukrainian government official, an article was published the day before, which says that the explosions in Novofedorovka are supposedly the work of Ukrainian special forces.

In any case, the events in Novofedorovka require a thorough investigation. If it was the negligence of the military personnel responsible for the storage and operation of ammunition, then one should deal with what could have caused such criminal negligence in general. In particular, it requires clarification whether the negligence was negligence, and not pre-planned actions. If the enemy is involved in the explosions at the airfield, then the main question must be answered: are other military installations on the territory of the Russian Federation, which are of paramount importance for achieving the goals of the NMD set by the president, protected from it? From this "stories“We need to draw the right conclusions so that in the future nothing like this could happen again by definition, including that the enemy loses all opportunity not only to carry out, but also to plan such operations (whether it is his handiwork or not).
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  1. +70
    11 August 2022 08: 55
    Funnels around the perimeter of the parking lot - what is it? ... it makes no sense to discuss "the equipment was not affected" by the MO. So I’m a training manual, by the way, as with a cruiser. BC detonated)
    1. +41
      11 August 2022 08: 59
      Definitely sabotage, about negligence is simply ridiculous, and the Moscow Region discredits itself with such statements. By the way, that no one heard the sound of flying rockets, I rested there twice, planes fly all the time, so you get used to the sounds of engines quickly and they become just a background.
      1. +4
        11 August 2022 09: 05
        I would like to believe in sabotage. This factor can be eliminated over time. But if these are rocket arrivals ... I really don’t want to believe)
        1. +10
          11 August 2022 09: 42
          Quote: It's not for me
          But if these are rocket arrivals.

          Possibly DRG with mortars. They drove up, fired back, and left. While the first mine is falling, about five are already in the air. The mortars were thrown into the sea.
          It may well be so. hi
          1. +12
            11 August 2022 10: 27
            quote = Ingvar 72] Perhaps DRG with mortars. [/quote]
            What is it like???
            But nothing that Novofedorovka is the western part of Crimea? Those. on Russian territory Do Ukrainian DRGs move freely with mortars? They drove up, shot back, and left? Fine...
            1. -2
              11 August 2022 10: 42
              They didn't move, they swam. The Black Sea Fleet, apparently, has stopped patrolling the water area shot through by Harpoons / Neptunes, now from Odessa to Tarkhankut - I don’t want to swim.
              1. +3
                11 August 2022 10: 47
                Ka-27 fly over the coastline several times a day, wave a pen to vacationers.
              2. +9
                11 August 2022 10: 50
                Quote: Torvlobnor IV
                They didn't move, they swam. The Black Sea Fleet, apparently, has stopped patrolling the water area shot through by Harpoons / Neptunes, now from Odessa to Tarkhankut - I don’t want to swim.

                No, they are on patrol, I personally saw every day, this year, ships in the distance.
            2. +1
              11 August 2022 12: 02
              Quote from: skeptick2
              Those. Do Ukrainian DRGs with mortars move freely on Russian territory?

              It's easy for a citizen. A mortar is a pipe that is easy to disguise when disassembled.
              I do not insist on this version, but it is possible. The area is teeming with tourists in cars, they are rarely checked
            3. +11
              11 August 2022 12: 04
              Perhaps colleague Ingvar 72 is right, logically speaking.
              DRG worked. Defended at the airfield, or approached the airfield at a firing distance from one side. And in this place crumbled everything.
              If there were missile arrivals, both the runway and the remote sensing would be damaged, and God knows what else all over the airfield, otherwise everything is in one place.
              All this makes sense if you do not accept the version of the RF Ministry of Defense about the unextinguished cigarette butt of a negligent ensign.
              1. -1
                11 August 2022 13: 41
                unextinguished cigarette butt of a negligent ensign

                Who was demoted to ensign?
                1. -2
                  11 August 2022 20: 41
                  Who knows... they just removed the Commander-in-Chief of the Black Sea Fleet.
          2. +14
            11 August 2022 12: 16
            And what is it already possible to move around the Crimea with mortars? BUT, justification!!! Ignorance of the facts facilitates the flight of fantasy. But this refers to the information department of the Ministry of Defense (or whatever they call it). The sleep of reason breeds monsters. (F. Goya). If the ministry, for reasons I don’t understand, clearly and conclusively does not want to tell the public the truth about the incidents, whatever it may be (the Moscow cruiser also concerns), then it is not surprising that reports will soon appear that the airfield was destroyed by arriving on a tank.
            1. -1
              11 August 2022 12: 55
              Mortar mines and agro-drones.
              https://topwar.ru/200083-v-krymu-progremela-serija-vzryvov.html#comment-id-12742539
              Drones again went to the bandits' caches.
          3. +1
            11 August 2022 21: 51
            what mortars, look at the funnels, and they also say that in the parking lot outside the airfield, the car was beaten, is it from a mortar?
          4. 0
            12 August 2022 08: 02
            Exactly. The entire airfield was fired from mortars and at the same time no one heard anything, exits in the sense. But for RT - it will do.
        2. -2
          11 August 2022 12: 50
          Yes, even if this is the arrival of a rocket, where is the air defense-missile defense? It seems like fighting is at hand with an enemy who has something to "pulp". And then what is it? Extreme gouging or so much money and planes that it's not a pity?
          1. -1
            12 August 2022 07: 18
            I think the Posnydons, constantly hanging over the Black Sea, studied the schedules for turning on and switching the radar in the Crimea and gave the time to strike at the airfield. With all the desire, the radar cannot work without a break for several months.
            1. -1
              12 August 2022 08: 46
              And what? Checkmate "non-analogues in the world"?
            2. -2
              12 August 2022 18: 51
              "With all the desire, the radar cannot work without a break for several months."
              well, if she's alone
      2. +24
        11 August 2022 09: 11
        Quote: lis-ik
        stayed there twice

        There for relaxation and a beach overlooking the air base. Losses judging by the pictures: 3 Su-30SM, 5 Su-24, 4 Warehouses (probably smoking areas). The Black Sea Fleet has already lost the flagship cruiser "Moskva" due to the detonation of ammunition, the large landing ship "Saratov" and explosions of ammunition at the airfield where naval aviation was based indicate the need for increased control by the army general, defense minister, hero of Russia, holder of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called with the swords of Sergei Kozhugetovich Shoigu for the activities of the admirals of the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. -14
          11 August 2022 09: 29
          And where are 3 sous 30 and 5 sous 24 in the pictures. I saw one sous 24 in the pictures. Or are you like Semyon Shpak: - two gold cigarette cases ...
          1. 0
            11 August 2022 09: 32
            The last picture in the post.Left. 3 wrecks and 1 completely burned out Su-30 ... and the same number of Su-24s.
          2. +9
            11 August 2022 09: 40
            Quote: Cottodraton
            And where is there in the pictures 3 su 30 and 5 su 24

            Su 30 cm are gray and Su-24 are white.


            1. +8
              11 August 2022 11: 42
              The second photo is interesting, presumably a funnel between two caponiers with planes, in the first one the plane is slightly turned ..., in the second in the trash ..., and in the farthest - in the third, a pile of iron. The question is, how in the third caponier the plane is in the trash, if in the first it was only deployed and the skeleton was not destroyed, it is clearly visible ...?
              1. -1
                12 August 2022 08: 08
                So the shock wave went, unevenly in all directions, somewhere re-reflected. I know the story when RGD-7 was thrown under the bandos' feet. In general, no effect, not a single fragment hit! Anything happens. If you look closely, the SW propagated upwards to the left (according to the photo). The maximum fell on the third caponier.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 19: 54
                  Well, nothing from RGD-7 (seven), then ...... bully bully bully bully bully bully bully bully bully
                  1. -1
                    12 August 2022 20: 19
                    And yet it is so. Not a single shrapnel wound. A few seconds later, a sniper shot and when they examined, everyone could not believe their eyes.

                    I even know one more case of the explosion of a hydrogen cylinder, when the upper part of the cylinder, the one with the valve, broke through the interfloor ceiling, and the laboratory assistant, standing two meters from all the splendor, was not injured, except for a slight stun and fright.

                    And finally, no explosions. The laboratory assistant collected sulfuric acid from a 10 liter bottle, before there were such in the Soviet of Deputies. And the bottle cracked, dousing her legs to the knees with concentrated sernyaga (98%). So she jumped from her seat into a nearby sink to wash off the acid. Only the tights had time to dissolve. Then we didn’t try on how much, probably for a week, no one from a place could jump to such a height, including her. Such miracles.
                    1. 0
                      13 August 2022 03: 40
                      You know, a millionaire will never brag about all his abilities. It is enough for him to show one original painting by Picasso. So empty. It is enough to confidently write something that does not exist once ...
                      And only those who threw them less than a box believe in the all-killfulness of various hand grenades.
                      1. -1
                        13 August 2022 07: 42
                        Interview of a veteran of the Second World War, a tanker, a physicist by education. An old grandfather, but mentally in good shape. And there he argues, incl. about the nature of time, that it can slow down, shrink .... He told how time slows down in an emergency, in a shock situation, when you can see how a projectile from an incoming tank is first covered with cracks, then the cracks begin to glow ... a very entertaining story. Of course, you can write everything off as shiz, but it doesn’t seem like it at all.

                        Actually, here

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lr0xDKpFMo
          3. MMX
            -3
            11 August 2022 18: 14
            Oh, but who needed this old rubbish? Didn't really want to. Therefore, even if there is a sabotage or an arrival, we are not offended.
            And the people believe. All according to plan.
        2. +29
          11 August 2022 10: 03
          And how can Sergei Kuzhugetovich control the military, if he does not have a military education and he did not even serve urgently? So it’s quite normal for him (but why did our generals and admirals also consider it normal?) That in the front-line area, aircraft are located in open areas, lined up, and the ammunition, it turns out, was just behind the embankment. It is strange that such military units began to take off into the air only now, and not back in March.
          1. +2
            11 August 2022 18: 23
            And the duties of the Minister of Defense include bypassing facilities, checking guards and fire-fighting equipment? Why are you itching for his urgent service? Where did you pick up all this crap?
          2. -2
            11 August 2022 18: 24
            Why don't you lead the darling of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? What rank are you?
          3. -1
            11 August 2022 22: 43
            Quote: UAZ 452
            And how can Sergei Kuzhugetovich control the military, if he does not have a military education and he did not even serve urgently? So it’s quite normal for him (but why did our generals and admirals also consider it normal?) That in the front-line area, aircraft are located in open areas, lined up, and the ammunition, it turns out, was just behind the embankment. It is strange that such military units began to take off into the air only now, and not back in March.

            And the Supreme Commander I.V. Stalin had a military education, for example. The Minister of Defense is a manager, manager, supply manager with great powers, the strategy is handled by the General Staff. And the fact that Kuzhugetovich created such a structure as the Ministry of Emergency Situations from scratch, this indicates that he is a suitable organizer. And it is the responsibility of the unit commander or, at worst, the district commander to monitor how the planes and ammunition are located. Or do you think that the MO should monitor each military unit.
            1. +2
              12 August 2022 08: 29
              And the fact that Kuzhugetovich from scratch created such a structure as the Ministry of Emergencies
              My only complaint about the past of the Minister of Defense is that he is from the EBN team. And he transformed the Soviet Civil Defense into his Ministry of Emergency Situations. In general, I took an already created structure.
              1. -2
                12 August 2022 18: 57
                Quote: Aviator_
                And the fact that Kuzhugetovich from scratch created such a structure as the Ministry of Emergencies
                My only complaint about the past of the Minister of Defense is that he is from the EBN team. And he transformed the Soviet Civil Defense into his Ministry of Emergency Situations. In general, I took an already created structure.

                Why fantasize, in the USSR there were no such structures as Tsentrospas, a separate demining detachment, and there was no such equipment. The army was engaged in the elimination of emergency situations. Chernobyl and Armenia are a good example of this.
                1. +1
                  12 August 2022 21: 19
                  under the USSR, there were no such structures as Tsentrospas, a separate demining detachment, and there was no such equipment.
                  No need to fantasize, the only thing that was not there was such signs. Each center of the Military District had a civil defense division (in particular, near Kuibyshev, the PriVO center) in order to rake up radioactive ruins in the event of a nuclear war. Everything was in the structure of MO. In Chernobyl, these units worked flawlessly, in Armenia there was a mess due to local separatism - due to traffic jams ("poor" Armenians clogged all the roads with their personal cars), ambulances could not deliver patients to hospitals and they died in medical cars. Armenia is already the decline of the USSR. And about the equipment for demining, you generally made fun. The less the interlocutor lived in the USSR, the more wild rumors spread about him.
                  1. -2
                    12 August 2022 22: 17
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    under the USSR, there were no such structures as Tsentrospas, a separate demining detachment, and there was no such equipment.
                    No need to fantasize, the only thing that was not there was such signs. Each center of the Military District had a civil defense division (in particular, near Kuibyshev, the PriVO center) in order to rake up radioactive ruins in the event of a nuclear war. Everything was in the structure of MO. In Chernobyl, these units worked flawlessly, in Armenia there was a mess due to local separatism - due to traffic jams ("poor" Armenians clogged all the roads with their personal cars), ambulances could not deliver patients to hospitals and they died in medical cars. Armenia is already the decline of the USSR. And about the equipment for demining, you generally made fun. The less the interlocutor lived in the USSR, the more wild rumors spread about him.

                    Why write about what you don’t know, the divisions, as you put it, existed, but they were cropped, that is, they had personnel of 2-3 companies, to guard warehouses in case of deployment in wartime - that’s all, the equipment was requisitioned from civilian organizations. They were driven to Chernobyl and Armenia from all over the Union, even civilians were sent to Armenia to disassemble the rubble by hand.
                    Yes, and what can a conscript, in order to become a qualified rescuer, you need at least five years to study this business.
            2. +1
              12 August 2022 18: 57
              "But what, Kuzhugetovich from scratch created such a structure as the Ministry of Emergencies"
              completely useless, and for themselves and their daughters?
          4. -1
            12 August 2022 08: 20
            Quote: UAZ 452
            And how can Sergei Kuzhugetovich control the military, if he does not have a military education and he did not even serve urgently?

            Stalin apparently graduated from the Academy of the General Staff?
            Or are you not aware that there is a unit commander and head of the fire service?
            If these 2 with specific full names did not master the elementary ??? Kuzhegetovich should roam around the country and check fire shields with guards?
            1. -1
              12 August 2022 18: 58
              "Should Kuzhegetovich wander around the country and check fire shields with guards?"
              Yes, let him check if there is no one to entrust
          5. 0
            12 August 2022 14: 12
            And how at one time Ursula von Derlein from the gynecologist's office led the Bundeswehr.
          6. -1
            12 August 2022 18: 55
            "It is strange that such military units began to take off into the air only now, and not back in March."
            the key word here is start
        3. -16
          11 August 2022 10: 13
          Losses judging by the pictures: 3 Su-30SM, 5 Su-24, 4 Warehouses (probably smoking areas).

          That is, you have not heard about the Photoshop program?
          I do not deny that there is no damage. But the pictures to believe themselves do not respect.
          1. -9
            11 August 2022 12: 31
            It’s in vain that they minus a comrade, otherwise everything is gone, everything is gone, the king is not the king! There was a fact: that mail is a military secret. The rest is the version of interested parties. Don’t you dare, I’m the minus one, pour water on the rotten mill of damned Western propaganda, at least for now - the active Army is acting and you shouldn’t speak out loud the fears of women and children that can be heard at the dentist’s and proctologist’s office and / but not in direct audibility / visibility of heavy fighting.

            Take a Berdanka, a whip, and go guard the outer perimeter of at least one military facility.

            As for the mortars: they put slate sheets in Shali - 3-5, as guides, they put a rocket with volley systems plus an electric detonator. They closed and unguided shells flew to the sons of our fatherland. And then a mortar ... Yes, its self-made version was observed in the first Chechen one.

            DRG screwed up? But this is not the same degree of protection as in Syria. Security Battalion

            I'm interested in the answers, but not the answer, where are the answers of our DRGs?
            Do we have suicide bombers? Have you been transferred? Work brothers!

            Why suicide bombers? Patamushta. I read in the newspaper yesterday in pioneer truth that it is better not to get caught alive. For special forces and those who know, these are acceptable conditions.

            We are waiting for political decisions.
            And then everything was gone, and even minus!
        4. 0
          11 August 2022 12: 08
          You are all right. But the most unsinkable on "Chi Fleet - chi no" is its commander ...
          1. +1
            11 August 2022 20: 52
            Quote: Dingo
            You are all right. But the most unsinkable on "Chi Fleet - chi no" is its commander ...

            This unsinkable has already been drowned
        5. Urs
          +6
          11 August 2022 12: 10
          Cool ass in the photo winked .I didn’t even notice haze and explosions in the distance. Do you know how to present reliable information bully
          If those pictures from which you drew conclusions are just as chic, then where is the lined strategic bomber belay .
          Well, the ass is finally valid bully
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 11: 59
            I agree, I also got distracted and if you ask me what I remember about the photo, I can only answer one thing ..... winked
        6. 0
          11 August 2022 17: 15
          Ukrainian media are talking about more than 9 aircraft lost at the airfield.
        7. -5
          11 August 2022 17: 17
          Yes, worthless admirals in the Black Sea Fleet! After Nakhimov, there was not a single worthy admiral there ...
      3. +43
        11 August 2022 09: 26
        An adequate response could be a report from the territory of the airbase. So that the journalist, accompanied by officers, drove around the territory, filmed parking lots, explosion sites, talked to witnesses ....
        And no need to write about secrecy! Thanks to satellites and the Internet, everything has been in the public domain for a long time! I myself looked at the roof of my five-story building a couple of times!
        1. +3
          11 August 2022 09: 36
          And no need to write about secrecy! Thanks to satellites and the Internet, everything has been in the public domain for a long time! I myself looked at the roof of my five-story building a couple of times!

          This “you” will tell the comrade major, even the publication of a picture in this news may well lead to a criminal case for divulging a secret, despite the fact that the data itself is in the public domain.
          Not a few people suffered for disclosure, using in their work (journalists, scientists), it would seem, open data on the Internet.
          1. +25
            11 August 2022 09: 45
            Quote from: filibuster
            Not a few people suffered for disclosure, using in their works (journalists, scientists),

            People who suffered for the disclosure, all as one opponents of the current government. Purely by chance, of course! laughing
            1. +3
              11 August 2022 09: 51
              It is possible that the laws on state secrets, secrecy, etc., were simply developed back in Soviet times and, of course, without taking into account the new realities.
              1. +5
                11 August 2022 10: 02
                It is possible that the laws on state secrets, secrecy, etc., were simply developed back in Soviet times and, of course, without taking into account the new realities.

                What are the new realities? What you call "new realities" was invented a long time ago and consists in the fact that no laws apply to some people.
                1. +4
                  11 August 2022 10: 25
                  The reality is that we are reading the news with a satellite image of a military airfield.
                  1. -1
                    11 August 2022 20: 07
                    The reality is that we are reading the news with a satellite image of a military airfield.

                    With this I fully agree
                2. +3
                  11 August 2022 10: 34
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  What you call "new realities" was invented a long time ago

                  And the Internet, and satellites, and Google maps were invented back in the days of Ivan the Terrible?
            2. 0
              11 August 2022 11: 15
              At first he divulged, and then he suffered as an opponent of the current government. Everything is logical....
              1. +3
                11 August 2022 13: 59
                Quote: bobba94
                Everything is logical....

                Supporters of the current government are not even deprived of their positions for far worse vysers. And logic requires an equal approach. wink
            3. -4
              11 August 2022 18: 28
              And supporters of the authorities do not sweep their tongues like a broomstick and do not try to trade secrets, pretending that they are pacifists.
              1. +7
                11 August 2022 20: 27
                Yeah) They keep families and capital in the West and pretend that they are patriots.
                1. -1
                  11 August 2022 21: 05
                  Quote from Gromit
                  Yeah) They keep families and capital in the West and pretend that they are patriots.

                  How is one of the wrestlers and critics of the power of Cords on the click Cord doing in his little house in Switzerland? And how he fought, how he fought with power, how he criticized it laughing
              2. +5
                11 August 2022 21: 41
                Quote: Alexey V
                And supporters of the authorities do not sweep with their tongues like a broomstick

                That latin? Do you remember the phrases of the first persons of the state, which in fact turned out to be banal empty talk? And about other officials, even worse can be said at times.
          2. +7
            11 August 2022 10: 07
            Yes, this is all clear - our bonds are like that: the main thing is that our own people do not know anything and do not lose fear in front of the "upper" people. And the adversary - then how it will turn out.
        2. -16
          11 August 2022 09: 42
          An adequate response could be a report from the territory of the airbase. So that the journalist, accompanied by officers, would ride

          If you don’t tryndet about it and don’t focus on it, everything will be forgotten in two days
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        3. -8
          11 August 2022 09: 56
          An adequate response could be a report from the territory of the airbase. So that the journalist, accompanied by officers, drove around the territory, filmed parking lots, explosion sites, talked to witnesses ....

          Why do you need this?

          And no need to write about secrecy!

          Secrecy should always be.

          Thanks to satellites and the Internet, everything has been in the public domain for a long time!

          Thanks to usa.
        4. -22
          11 August 2022 11: 04
          Well, you are burning Khokhlobats ... Show you everything on TV, take an interview so that they also tell where everything is ... So you consider Russians to be idiots ... Contact your US masters with such proposals, let them have their military bases on TV they show and talk about everything.
          1. +21
            11 August 2022 11: 10
            That is, in your opinion, regular reports from the Khmeinim airbase, proving that it, despite the emissions of shelling and destruction, is idiocy?
        5. +4
          11 August 2022 11: 09
          great suggestion about reporting from the airfield
        6. kig
          +2
          11 August 2022 18: 59
          An adequate answer could be a report from the territory of the airbase


          Everything is extremely simple. Since the Ministry of Defense said "fire", then this is the official point of view, and what Planet shows, and we are discussing with you, is slander, provocation and discredit.
          1. -2
            13 August 2022 13: 33
            What about your own brains? Not ?
            1. kig
              0
              14 August 2022 00: 59
              Quote: VladMirU
              Not ?

              Cadet X, don't make a smart face! You are a future officer!

              But seriously, we have the same rake here that was present at the discussion of the fate of the cruiser M: none of those who argued there was there, they didn’t see anything with their own eyes.
        7. +2
          12 August 2022 10: 03
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          An adequate answer could be a report from the territory of the airbase

          . IMHO. A report from the base would only confirm the bitter truth.
          -----------------------
      4. +2
        11 August 2022 11: 32
        ....... and so that the enemy loses all opportunity not only to carry out, but also to plan such operations (whether it is his handiwork or not).

        It would be nice to translate what is being done into reality. But I don't see this at all.
      5. +11
        11 August 2022 11: 34
        and the Ministry of Defense discredits itself with such statements

        There, too, saboteurs sat down. Whatever happens, they all have one negligence. Just as if on purpose, everyone else who is on duty is made fools.
        It never dawns on them that times have changed.
        They know that there is an Internet, and provoke in him panic speculation and distrust of the current government. This is the work of saboteurs, and no one else, right? ..
        Well, for the RF Ministry of Defense there is a good wish:
        Further, if there is no faith in the words, there will be nothing.
        1. -6
          11 August 2022 16: 45
          It is not words that decide, but the army. The army is not obliged to report on everything and immediately to everyone. And those who need it will find out about it, and, I hope, will draw the right conclusions and make decisions.
          1. -1
            11 August 2022 16: 59
            I'm sorry, but you are an amateur.
            For example, now you completely ignore the relationship between the army and the so-called "civilian" population. It doesn't seem to occur to you that it's the same thing in two different guises. The connection of one with the other has always been kept, is kept now and will continue to be kept on respect for the feat of arms, and on nothing else. As soon as it weakens, troubles set in, the consequences of which cannot be overcome.
            And to argue, at the same time, who owes whom and what, will, in general, extremely useless.
            There are many examples of this throughout the world, both in history and in the present. I advise you to get better who owes whom and what today. And do not drag in the word "army" further when it comes to the incompetence, weakness of will and short-sightedness of specific officials - and nothing more.
            1. -2
              13 August 2022 13: 40
              Offset! I am also an Army, though retired. And I need to know what's going on. I will go as a volunteer, in difficult times, under such a "command" or better, I will go to the partisans to beat the bastard.
              1. -1
                13 August 2022 14: 02
                Then, all the more so, you are an amateur.
                When Napoleon Bonaparte approached Moscow, the Russian army was commanded by General Barclay de Tolly (read Wikipedia, if interested).
                He had little success, the soldiers called him "talking and nothing more." But no one at that time chose as cynically as you where he would be a "hero". People went to defend their homeland. You can be unpatriotic, BUT, not knowing such things when talking about "where it is better to fight" means being an amateur. Let me remind you that you have already confirmed this title twice.
                Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov, who then led the army, won, among other things, because there were very few people like you in the Russian army, even among the "higher" classes, both noble and merchant.
                "War and Peace" by Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy studied at school?.. If not enough, there are other sources. I advise you to look into the library. Lenin in Moscow on the same metro.
                As the President of our country Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich said about the results of the Second World War - it's all in the documents.
          2. +4
            11 August 2022 21: 47
            draw the right conclusions and make decisions.


            Concern expressed? ..
      6. 0
        11 August 2022 12: 43
        Most likely. Two days before that, there was an attempt to attack the airfield in Kursk.
      7. +1
        12 August 2022 08: 00
        If you look at the location of the objects of destruction, the distance between them and the time during which everything happened, while paying attention to the fact that no burnt grass is visible in the pictures, then it is very difficult to believe in the history of sabotage. Either there were a lot of saboteurs, which somehow does not fit well in the head, or a small number of saboteurs mined objects for a long time, remaining unnoticed.

        Considering the previous on-duty and stupid lies of LOMs, the media, about "there are no losses, the equipment was not affected" the most deceitful version will be the most official one.

        Well, about rockets. As you can hear, until the moment of detonation, a ballistic warhead, which rushes to the target in the final section at a speed of Mach 2-3. No way. And it is also not possible to see it, if you do not look both ways into the sector of its flight without looking up.
    2. +46
      11 August 2022 09: 09
      Quote: It's not for me
      So I’m a training manual, by the way, as with a cruiser. BC detonated)

      "Small" lies breed big mistrust. It is necessary to tell the truth in such cases, even if it is difficult to admit it.
      1. +5
        11 August 2022 09: 24
        Info from a person I trust: "the equipment at the airfield was not damaged"
        I found a photo of the airfield on the internet and compared it with the one posted here - there are significant differences.
        1. +11
          11 August 2022 09: 47
          Quote: Black
          equipment at the airport was not damaged

          Yeah, and the video of the burned-out SU-24 is, of course, a fake! laughing
          1. +4
            11 August 2022 09: 53
            Definitely. It is so "successfully" interrupted that it is impossible to tie it to the shooting location.
            1. +24
              11 August 2022 10: 11
              Quote: Black
              Definitely

              I will remind you of your unequivocally and the person you trust in a few days. wink
              For me, it is already obvious that the Ministry of Defense once again messed up on the supply of information.
              The truth must be recognized, whatever it may be, and problems must be urgently addressed. Or documented to refute fakes.
              Now I see only the attempts of the constant Kremlinbots to chat up another joint of the Moscow Region.
              1. -8
                11 August 2022 10: 35
                If you need to document the fakes of enemies, then you need to change the staffing table - add 1 journalist to each platoon. And yes, with a 360° Gopro camera. And it’s so interesting to read from some that you need to shoot and show everything, otherwise you’ll “get it”.
        2. -2
          11 August 2022 10: 16
          show comparison photo
          1. -5
            11 August 2022 10: 37
            show comparison photo

            This is different.
        3. +4
          11 August 2022 12: 43

          Our satellite image is from 2015. Same with Yandex maps

          Can you identify and link one image to another on your own?
      2. +7
        11 August 2022 11: 22
        Because of such a slippery policy of covering the NMD by a representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, military experts Yuri Podolyaka and Mikhail Onufrienko, having begun to cover the NMD on the Internet, immediately gained more than a million subscribers and tens of millions of views ...
    3. +5
      11 August 2022 09: 27
      This is the expansion of bk and undermining after the fall. Hundreds of people filmed videos there. The stealth rocket has not yet been invented.
      1. +4
        11 August 2022 09: 35
        Have you seen how Iskander-M arrives during the day? ... please drop the link so that you can see how the blank flies into the target
        1. +11
          11 August 2022 09: 40
          Look at the videos from Kharkov. Their darkness. Slow down and watch. Plus, you hear. If you want to prove something, then collect the video of which darkness and go. But I think hundreds of different people and organizations have already done this before you, and if they found something, they would have already shown it. Moreover, according to your logic, there is more than one arrival. And hundreds of cameras were watching this place at that moment.
          1. 0
            11 August 2022 09: 47
            Well, since it's dark - can you find at least one visible arrival in the daytime? ... just not a Tornado-S blank ... like 9M542 ... which is really noticeable
            1. +5
              11 August 2022 09: 50
              It's funny. You claim about arrivals, but should I look for it?))) Rummage through the cart and find it. I have something to do and bz this.
              1. -1
                11 August 2022 09: 55
                So that's just the point that I did not find. And I don’t scoff when I make such requests) ... I saw the arrival of Iskander-M the only time. At night. When in Kyiv they beat on the shopping center. The fireball was visible for 1 second before arrival) ... well, maybe I don’t look good / look a little)
                1. 0
                  11 August 2022 10: 03
                  Well, they saw it) Why else do you need it?) Did they record something similar in the Crimea?
                  1. -1
                    11 August 2022 10: 11
                    You are inattentive) I asked for a daytime arrival, not a night one. Okay... I hope you're right. For I don’t want to believe that our analogues didn’t miss missiles)
                    1. +4
                      11 August 2022 10: 20
                      Air defense is not a panacea. Does not give a XNUMX% guarantee. But in the Crimea, not complexes are standing, but a layered system. Where one insures the other several times. And even in the event of a breakthrough, at least air defense would try to repel the attack. From distant means to shells. Which also didn't happen. I fully admit sabotage. But I don't believe in flights. There are no even remote hints of this at all. Appear - discuss.
                      1. -1
                        11 August 2022 17: 38
                        Podolyak from Saloreikha was interviewed with a hint that he would be pleased that this case was organized by Ukraine.
                        Podolyak: "What do we have to do with it? ... Maybe a sabotage, maybe a partisan detachment .." And at the end of the interview, when he was asked if Ukraine was taking responsibility for the explosions, he answered unequivocally - No. Doesn't take



                        .“What do we have to do with it?” Podolyak about explosions in Crimeahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56XdJMqv5E

                        Interesting interview. Or have they already learned to lie that they tell the truth as they say (
                    2. +3
                      11 August 2022 12: 59
                      Those. sabotage or negligence is not so catchy? IMHO, any of the options is impartial.
                2. 0
                  12 August 2022 08: 29
                  Quote: It's not for me
                  So that's just the point that I did not find. And I don’t scoff when I make such requests) ... I saw the arrival of Iskander-M the only time. At night. When in Kyiv they beat on the shopping center. The fireball was visible for 1 second before arrival) ... well, maybe I don’t look good / look a little)

                  Does Kyiv have Iskanders ??? To try to see their arrival in the Crimea?
                  Won che
          2. +5
            11 August 2022 09: 57
            On the "videos from Kharkov" you see cruise missiles diving at a speed of 300 m / s, you will not find "videos" with a ballistic missile arriving at a speed of 2 km / s, where warheads are visible. For obvious reasons.
            And "hundreds of cameras" of mobile phones began to look there already when the explosions began.
            1. +4
              11 August 2022 10: 07
              You missed the moment about the funnels, which means people say about more than one arrival. People watched the subsequent explosions, didn't they?
              1. +2
                11 August 2022 10: 37
                Do you know the time between the explosions that left the mentioned craters? Not? So what's the point of talking. What people looked at were the consequences of the first explosions and subsequent detonations of ammunition.
                1. +5
                  11 August 2022 11: 38
                  Explosion. One. The first and most powerful. He was alone. A lot of people are talking about this. About the first strong explosion. One.
                  1. +3
                    11 August 2022 12: 02
                    You deal with yourself
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    which means people say about more than one arrival.

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    He was alone. A lot of people are talking about this.

                    I only use what you write yourself. And nothing you wrote is a confirmation of your position about the impossibility of a missile attack. Both I and you have only one source with complete information - MO. The fact that the Ministry of Defense does not give us this information, I hope you will not argue. The fact that information is submitted without thinking about the consequences - will you?
                    1. +2
                      11 August 2022 12: 32
                      Just look at the original sources. Almost everyone is talking about the first strong explosion. The MO has told you everything you need to know.
                    2. +1
                      11 August 2022 14: 28
                      This is an irony about arrivals) I'm just saying that they were not. There was one first explosion followed by several others of lesser force.
                  2. +2
                    11 August 2022 13: 26
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Explosion. One. The first and most powerful. He was alone. A lot of people are talking about this. About the first strong explosion. One.


                    Hello Dmitry!
                    By the way, judging by the power of the explosion, and the relatively small number of casualties among the airfield personnel, is it possible to assume that the event was predictable, i.e. were there signs that an emergency could happen, for example: signs of burning, smoke? If there were such signs, then, accordingly, the timely evacuation of personnel helped to avoid many victims. It is possible that most of the equipment was saved.
                    Judging by the comments, someone really needs the version of "arrivals", even from Sevastopol: "The air defense has overslept everything!"
                    Panic among the civilian population is apparently necessary.
            2. 0
              12 August 2022 08: 18
              You forgot to add that not only will they not see a ballistic target at 2 km / s, but they will not hear it until the moment of detonation !!!
      2. 0
        12 August 2022 08: 16
        It depends on how fast the rocket flies up. It is very difficult to notice even a GBU-39 type bomb at the terminal section, unless you specifically look into the arrival sector without interruption. And from the camera of a smartphone, and even at such a distance that on the video - it’s impossible at all.
    4. +9
      11 August 2022 09: 30
      Funnels around the perimeter of the parking lot - what is it? ... it makes no sense to discuss "the equipment was not affected" by the MO.


      It’s definitely impossible to believe the picture, draw it in Photoshop, just spit, we’ll wait for the results of the official investigation.
      1. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 39
        MO can refute this photoshop very quickly ... but I doubt that ours will provide their own pictures)
      2. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 50
        Explosion, bk expansion, detonation. There is nothing about the common in these funnels.
        1. +1
          11 August 2022 12: 36
          It's just a two part question:
          1. What was it?
          2. Why say that the equipment was not damaged (if the pictures are true)?
      3. 0
        12 August 2022 08: 21
        Of course it's photoshop. Everything that does not correspond to the official version is a fake. For example KR Moscow, there 3Ds MAX!
    5. +3
      11 August 2022 09: 36
      There is an article here, I recommend reading it in Moscow, there in the photo you can’t see the arrival of the anti-ship missiles. When Kerch was on fire, there was no war, does it happen? They wanted to turn it into a museum, so they had to make a museum out of Sharp-witted. It is personally warmer for me, it was taken to the pioneers on it.
      1. -1
        11 August 2022 13: 04
        On the port side, at least three holes above the waterline are well and clearly visible. And one, by indirect evidence, just below the waterline. Everything is visible there.
        1. 0
          11 August 2022 15: 47
          Show me these holes, it’s terribly interesting, otherwise they talked about 2 anti-ship missiles, but here one anti-ship missile punched two holes?
          1. -1
            11 August 2022 18: 31
            The Internet is full of photos. Even here, on Topvar. Detailed article with analysis of what, where and how. And, by the way, the arrival of anti-ship missiles does not at all cancel the development of a fire with the subsequent detonation of ammunition.

            For example.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 08: 24
              Where is the RCC arrival? Do you see him? I do not see.
    6. +4
      11 August 2022 09: 44
      Yeah, the flagship drowned the fire is to blame. Airfield exploded careless handling)
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 19: 15
        "Yeah, the flagship drowned the fire is to blame. The airfield exploded careless handling)"
        cigarette butts, you forgot about cigarette butts. much more is written on them. Indeed, smoking is evil.
      2. 0
        14 August 2022 08: 26
        Destroyer Kerch to help you, is there a sabotage, or anti-ship missiles?
    7. +4
      11 August 2022 09: 49
      At every self-respecting airfield there is such a thing - a sump, a storage of devices that have taken off a resource and left for "spare parts." Most often it is located near the ammunition depot, that is, in the backyards .. so that the serviceable equipment did not suffer - the wave due to the embankment went up , fragments in the shaft
    8. +9
      11 August 2022 09: 52
      Site "military chronicle". I recommend. There are a lot of things posted on this occasion, incl. and the wreckage of the Su-24. Explosions of such force that there is a video where they drive past a number of burned-out cars, people are “lucky”, one car is pierced through by a pillar. Imagine the force of the explosion in order to throw this structure almost parallel to the ground. In general, look through yourself.
    9. -1
      11 August 2022 10: 01
      The equipment was not affected. Yes. And it just detonated. Yes.
    10. +3
      11 August 2022 10: 07
      If the enemy is involved in the explosions at the airfield, then the main question needs to be answered: are other military facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation, which are of paramount importance for achieving the goals of the NMD set by the president, protected from it?
      And there is one more question, but are the pictures genuine?
      1. -4
        11 August 2022 13: 01
        And there is one more question, but are the pictures genuine?
        The pictures may be genuine, but the question is, when and where were they taken? I looked at another resource, there half of the airfield is filled with Czechs. The question is, what are they doing at the front-line airfield?
      2. +1
        11 August 2022 20: 32
        Quote: Wend
        And there is one more question, but are the pictures genuine?

        This is the first question that the adequate person tasks himself. But, as you can see, few people are interested in this, people really want to throw out feces on the RF Armed Forces. And panic. Maybe they offended them with something, or maybe such a job. Who knows.
      3. +1
        12 August 2022 08: 24
        Certainly not genuine. And the cruiser is intact. And in the border areas, there are constant exercises.
    11. +10
      11 August 2022 10: 09
      Well, if "it doesn't make sense", then goodbye. And all the best to you...

      Well, if, "look for the meaning" by taking a closer look at the pictures, then in addition to the "funnel around the perimeter", you can also notice the ABSENCE OF PERIMETER at the alleged PLACE of the BC explosion ...

      In other words, the MAIN EXPLOSION WAVE from the DETONATION "left" exactly IN THIS DIRECTION. And "demolished" 20 - 25 meters of the "fence" ...

      And, apparently, the explosion at the BP storage warehouse is accompanied not only by "detonation", but also by the Scattering of PART of the BP over the territory of the airfield ...

      With the subsequent undermining of these BPs upon impact with "concrete", "soil", etc. And also, POSSIBLY, THEIR EXPLOSIONS in the AIR, during expansion ...

      Which, most likely, may be accompanied by damage to the equipment located at the airfield. As well as
      "the appearance of funnels" on the territory and "along the perimeter" ...

      Behind this, the MAIN question is NOT WHAT, the equipment at the airfield "suffered" and in what quantity ("immediately" after the explosion it is simply OBJECTIVELY IMPOSSIBLE to establish. Here "hello" and Tsarev ...).

      AND IN WHAT FROM WHAT the explosion in the BP warehouse occurred ...

      THERE ARE NO REASONS FOR STATEMENTS that this is a "consequence" of a certain "strike" (rocket, bomb, artillery ...) of the Kyiv Natsiks on the airfield STILL NO.

      There are NO grounds for allegations that this is the "work" of a certain "special forces" of the Kyiv Natsiks, AT THE MOMENT. Acre understandable against the background of permanent defeats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, PR - "statements" of Kyiv clowns ...

      You can, of course, "theorize" that this is the "work" of a low-noise mortar. But any mortar "throws" mines "successively" one after another. So here then you will have to look for an explanation for TWO, VISUALLY "SIMULTE", EQUIVALENT in terms of POWER explosions, CLEARLY visible on the "video" AT THE TIME OF THE EXPLOSION of the BP storage. Duc, that the "special forces" of the Nazis delivered a whole mortar battery to Saki? .. And she is there, "synchronous volleys" are issued according to "target designation"? ... Do you "believe" THIS? ..

      A lot of things could be said about the "indef. data" of the victims. Incl. and one dead. But there is NO information about THEM, YET, ALSO ...
      1. +2
        11 August 2022 11: 48
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        Well, if, "look for the meaning" by taking a closer look at the pictures, then in addition to the "funnel around the perimeter", you can also notice the ABSENCE OF PERIMETER at the alleged PLACE of the BC explosion ...

        In other words, the MAIN EXPLOSION WAVE from the DETONATION "left" exactly IN THIS DIRECTION. And "demolished" 20 - 25 meters of the "fence" ...


        Hello!
        You are most likely right. It seems to me that everything started with the explosion in the warehouse. Indeed, on satellite images "before" it is clear that "there was a shed"! And now it is gone, which speaks of the power of the explosion. And the video, with damaged cars in the parking lot, speaks not only of power, but also, perhaps, of direction.
        1. +1
          11 August 2022 13: 02
          Hello...

          As a person far from military affairs, I would also add (and let the aviators correct me if I'm very wrong ...) that the so-called. The "first", or "main", ammunition is stored directly at the aircraft parking lot. And it is "suspended" by techies ON THE SITE, after "bringing" the regiment to the appropriate degree of BG.

          And the damage to a number of aircraft in caponiers could be explained, incl. and the detonation of this particular ammunition. And not only by the "expansion and explosions" of the PSU from the storage ...

          BUT my main version, YET, is, in the order of enumeration: - "an accident - a technical malfunction (most likely, a "smart" PSU that requires SPECIAL storage conditions) -" a mess.

          For others, YET, I SEE NO REASONS. Although I understand that the BP storage, for ANY adversary, is one of the MOST IMPORTANT PURPOSE ...
          1. +1
            11 August 2022 13: 11
            In short, the same "NURS" from the "1st" ammunition load could, for some reason or another (careless handling, etc....) "fuck" through the BP warehouse and cause the BP stored in it to explode.

            Ie, YET, EQUILIBLY and "reverse" sequence of events. NOT "from the BP warehouse" - "in the parking lot", but WITH ONE of the parking lots, ammunition "of the 1st ammunition load, - in the BP warehouse ...
            1. +2
              11 August 2022 13: 37
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              In short, the same "NURS" from the "1st" ammunition load could, for some reason or another (careless handling, etc....) "fuck" through the BP warehouse and cause the BP stored in it to explode.

              Ie, YET, EQUILIBLY and "reverse" sequence of events. NOT "from the BP warehouse" - "in the parking lot", but WITH ONE of the parking lots, ammunition "of the 1st ammunition load, - in the BP warehouse ...


              I agree. But I don't rule out sabotage either.
              As is the fire. I, a little earlier, suggested that timely evacuation in case of fire may have affected the small number of victims and the safety of serviceable equipment.
      2. 0
        12 August 2022 09: 27
        Quote: ABC-schütze

        With the subsequent undermining of these BPs upon impact with "concrete", "soil", etc.

        Air bombs are not stored together with fuses. Therefore, when flying, they do not explode from impacts on the ground.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 10: 29
          you're right...

          The fuse AB is equipped directly in front of the "suspension". In any case, my personal experience of "working" with FAB 100 and FAB 250 confirms this.

          But are you sure that the established rules for handling aircraft power supplies are REALLY observed by EVERYONE and ALWAYS? .. Especially, in the conditions of MONTHS of ongoing combat work? "observed"...

          In addition, there are now other types of aviation BP "akromya" AB.

          There were no helicopters, say, in the parking lot?

          A "smart" aircraft power supply unit, which has a built-in (autonomous) power source (battery) in its design, could not "overheat" in the "sun" or due to improper compliance with storage conditions? .. And, as a result, issue a "false" signal to "operation" (start)? ..

          In short, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT MODE the "glade" was in on a given day and at a given moment. Was combat work carried out from it? .. Or was there a so-called. "PCB"?.. Incl. and "! in warehouses"? .. Or was preparation for combat work carried out - preliminary training, with a "subsequent transition" to pre-flight? .. What personnel and in what quantity were involved? ..

          How was the "perimeter" guarded? .. By patrolling? .. By guard dogs? One "naked fence" ... Along the perimeter, there were technical means of protection, such as the Old Testament, primitive "Pine"? .. Were they REGULARLY checked?

          In short, EVERYTHING IS NECESSARY TO FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY. And then already "draw conclusions" about the MOST PROBABLE CAUSE ...
    12. Urs
      -9
      11 August 2022 11: 27
      The source of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is the only reliable source.
      Everything else is information requiring verification and additional information. You, I am more than sure, do not have the ability to verify the information received from unknown sources.
      And according to this it is "FAKE", but in Russian it just sounds like a lie.
      As for the cruiser "Moskva", everything is the same, you cannot but confirm or refute the information that you were hooked somewhere. The conclusion that sounded in your post is just chatter. Yes
      Like grandmothers on a bench or a mound.
      1. +6
        11 August 2022 13: 01
        Quote: Urs
        the only reliable source

        Well, maybe yes for you, but this does not mean that it is so .. by the way, you won’t find any information on the tugboat "Vasily Bekh"? ah .. it’s simply not there .. it means it didn’t sink - the Ministry of Defense didn’t report it .. it means it’s at the base in Sevastopol now .. ah .. it’s not there .. well, it’s just a new technology of invisibility - the Ministry of Defense didn’t say anything ..
    13. +2
      11 August 2022 13: 54
      Funnels around the perimeter, more precisely two in the corners, these are the sites where fuel and lubricants and power supplies were stored. And this is already a Big Big Plus "in favor" of the version of sabotage. Who needed to set fire to all these 4 points (rather like this, and not fired at, but possibly in combination), and then the ignition of the fuel and the explosion of the power supply unit.

      In addition, it was claimed that it was the private sector that suffered the most, which (?!) turns out to be already a couple of hundred meters from the scene of the incident, and "evil tongues" claim that the security of this strategic facility was organized very badly ...

      Already on the site, they recalled the fact of the "spontaneous" launch of the engine of one aircraft rocket at this airfield back in 2017, which then, by a lucky chance, did not explode, but smashed half the hangar to dust.

      It turns out that this time we have the result of the joint work of the airfield command (sloppiness / negligence / incompetence / betrayal), coupled with enemy sabotage ?!
    14. MMX
      -1
      11 August 2022 18: 19
      Quote: It's not for me
      Funnels around the perimeter of the parking lot - what is it? ... it makes no sense to discuss "the equipment was not affected" by the MO. So I’m a training manual, by the way, as with a cruiser. BC detonated)


      No loss (s)
    15. +1
      11 August 2022 22: 31
      This is what it looks like -



      The result of the use of the warhead WDU-18 / B OTRK ATACMS
  2. +11
    11 August 2022 09: 01
    politician Oleg Tsarev, referring to a friend who participated in extinguishing a fire in Novofedorovka (Crimea), stated that all aviation equipment at the airfield was intact.
    Maybe all serviceable the equipment is intact, but what was at the end of the strip was out of order. Approximately as with the number of Sumerian "letaks" destroyed by us.
    Also noteworthy are traces similar to funnels from explosions. Moreover, some of these traces are not located at the parking lots of specific aviation facilities, but at some distance from them.
    Well, these are the places of explosions of scattered ammunition during a fire.
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 09: 10
      Well, figs with them with the Su-24mi, but judging by the photo, at least three Su30 / Su34 were destroyed (((
    2. +15
      11 August 2022 09: 15
      Quote: Aviator_
      Perhaps all serviceable equipment is intact, but what was at the end of the strip was out of order. Approximately as with the number of Sumerian "letaks" destroyed by us.

      Do we always put faulty equipment in caponiers and in the immediate vicinity of the runway?
      Who can answer objectively?
      1. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 28
        24 definitely didn’t fly there for a long time. And 30 is possibly the duty link.
    3. +17
      11 August 2022 10: 20
      Su-30SMs were supplied to this air base from 2015 to 2017. At least 3 Su-30SMs in the photo were destroyed + one was probably damaged but did not catch fire.


      Parking is generally difficult. However, I repeat, before arriving at other ABs (and they will, it is foolish to hope otherwise) - these parade lines must be stopped.
    4. +1
      11 August 2022 22: 34
      Well, these are the places of explosions of scattered ammunition during a fire.


      These craters don't look like meta detonation projectiles, it's more like the result of using the ATACMS OPRK.

      Interestingly, it hits the target vertically, I’m wondering if this is so that the speed on this trajectory is higher than the speed of sound and the enemy does not have time to hide, perhaps this is why no one heard the sound of an incoming rocket.
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 22: 41
        the speed on this trajectory was higher than the speed of sound and the enemy did not have time to hide, perhaps for this reason no one heard the sound of an incoming rocket.
        The shock wave from a supersonic object is very well audible. These so-called. "Funnels" are also present on satellite images the day before the explosions and fire. Colonelcassad has them, these images.
        1. +1
          11 August 2022 23: 02
          The day before the explosion, there were no craters, Sanya from Florida testified that there were simply empty areas.

          Think about where the craters come from at the airport?!

          I threw off the photo of the ATACMS application above, the funnels are very similar.

          By the way, the dagger also hits the target vertically.
        2. -1
          12 August 2022 08: 44
          In this case, the SW merges with the SW from detonation. Those. the observer will not hear the sound of the approach.

          To believe Rozhin is not to respect yourself.
      2. 0
        12 August 2022 08: 41
        The ATACMS warhead flies at a speed of up to Mach 3 in the terminal section. In principle, it is impossible to hear it, but it is possible to see it if you look incessantly into the fall sector at the right time.

        The funnels are of a characteristic round shape, which indicates the simultaneous exit of the SW from a very compact area. When a warehouse explodes, other craters are usually irregular or elongated.

        By all indications, it is very similar to TR ATACMS!
    5. 0
      12 August 2022 08: 30
      Yes, only faulty equipment is damaged. Serviceable, consecrated equipment UV rounded.
  3. +4
    11 August 2022 09: 02
    In any case, the events in Novofedorovka require a thorough investigation.

    From this "history" it is necessary to draw the right conclusions so that nothing like this could happen again by definition

    Sounds convincing, but how will it turn out in practice? request
    1. +8
      11 August 2022 09: 12
      No matter how it turned out, but it's already a bit late. It was necessary to do all the deeds and conclusions before February 24.02.2022, XNUMX.
      1. -3
        11 August 2022 09: 19
        Quote: Zoer
        All cases and conclusions were needed before 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX

        Now it's too late to talk about "what was needed, what was not needed". Yes, and history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. hi
        1. +4
          11 August 2022 10: 30
          Of course. Let the responsible officials continue to occupy high positions, receive no small allowance, master budgets and build new villas and yachts to replace those selected.
          1. -2
            11 August 2022 10: 41
            Do you mind? Traitor!
          2. 0
            12 August 2022 09: 34
            Quote: Zoer
            Of course. Let the responsible officials continue to occupy high positions, receive no small allowance, master budgets and build new villas and yachts to replace those selected.

            Yachts were taken away from the commander of the HF and the head of the fire service ??????!!!! Wow th.....
            They are at ANY options - sabotage / missiles / drones / gouging - the most FIRST culprits.
            They are the ones who made it all happen....
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 10: 19
              Ok, let's get it right...
              Sabotage.
              Is the HF commander compiling a map of measures to prevent such sabotage? Well, are they developing norms, security requirements and technical equipment of the airfield? The same shelter hangars? Provides funding? No. This is a deep analysis, planning, design, construction. Etc. etc.
              Well, what does the commander of the HF have to do with the work of the FSB?
              Drone missiles.
              Does the HF commander assign air defense forces and means, reconnaissance, etc.? The number of the same air defense, in principle, in the troops is also early. airfield decides?
              Ignorance, perhaps yes. BC is lying around anywhere. Kerosene flows from the tanks onto the paths and ensigns are smoked everywhere, khabariki are thrown into kerosene. Yes, but where were the checks? Where org conclusions after them?
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 10: 37
                Quote: Zoer
                Is the HF commander compiling a map of measures to prevent such sabotage?

                Naturally, this is his direct duty. To organize the service of the troops and the performance of guard duty.
                Quote: Zoer
                Well, are they developing norms, security requirements and technical equipment of the airfield? The same shelter hangars? Provides funding? No. This is a deep analysis, planning, design, construction. Etc. etc.
                and this is his direct responsibility - to ensure the functioning of the HF, taking into account all the possibilities

                Quote: Zoer
                The HF commander assigns air defense forces and means, reconnaissance, etc.
                And this is his duty!
                I hope you remember that the HF commander receives a large monetary allowance for RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING in the HF. And not for beautiful eyes ...
                In 1995 - when rumors began to circulate about a possible attack on our unit and they began to promise $ 50 for the heads of the flyers - the commander set up 000 machine-gun patrols and 3 machine-gun patrols of 7 people each.
                And silence ... those who want to earn money were not found ...
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 10: 46
                  Quote: your1970
                  Naturally, this is his direct duty. To organize the service of the troops and the performance of guard duty.


                  Everything is clear with the organization of the guard. And a fence with an anti-undermining net, video surveillance, etc. should he fund his salary? Should he also develop norms and standards on all these issues?
                  And this is his duty!
                  How can a HF commander allocate to himself, for example, the C300 division?
                  Quote: your1970
                  In 1995 - when rumors began to circulate about a possible attack on our unit and they began to promise $ 50 for the heads of the flyers - the commander set up 000 machine-gun patrols and 3 machine-gun patrols of 7 people each.
                  And silence ... those who want to earn money were not found ..

                  And then there were those who wanted to. With machine guns, or mortars, or KRs, I don't know. But one thing is clear, even a company of machine gunners in this situation could not have prevented this attack in any way.
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2022 11: 16
                    Quote: Zoer
                    And a fence with an anti-undermining net, video surveillance, etc. should he fund his salary?

                    My father used to say "Whoever wants, looks for opportunities, who does not want, looks for excuses" (c).
                    And so, it’s wonderful ... "Maskva didn’t give money, I’m a small person" ....
                    Quote: Zoer
                    How can a HF commander allocate to himself, for example, the C300 division?

                    Well, actually, such air defense objects always cover.
                    Quote: Zoer

                    And then there were those who wanted to. With machine guns, or mortars, or KRs, I don't know. But one thing is clear, even a company of machine gunners in this situation could not have prevented this attack in any way.

                    It’s also convenient - “But I can’t do anything!!” And immediately the high authorities are to blame, yeah ...
                    1. 0
                      12 August 2022 11: 39
                      Quote: your1970
                      It’s also convenient - “But I can’t do anything!!” And immediately the high authorities are to blame, yeah ...

                      You distort. No one takes responsibility on the ground. But the higher the rank, the higher the opportunities and responsibility. And systemic problems are solved only by systemic methods.
                      The fish rots from the head, but the tail is always to blame for some reason.
                      1. 0
                        12 August 2022 12: 02
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Nobody removes responsibility on the ground.

                        DRG - is it a systemic problem or sentry - do not care?
                        "I'm not responsible for anything - because when they built the airfield under the USSR, no one foresaw a war with Ukraine !!!!", so what?
                        Everyone is to blame - except the commander?
                        I gave my example - to understand how they got out of the system problem (unprotected RF and town) by the forces of the commander
                        If he began to cry - "There is no money for the perimeter, no alarms, no cameras, no fences ...." - it may well be that the pilots would have been stolen by squadrons.
                        But he got out of the situation
                      2. +1
                        12 August 2022 12: 28
                        DRG is a complex issue. And the problem of the FSB too. How can the guard of the airfield be able to resist the mortar crew, which has set up a firing position 5 km from the airfield? Or an UAV operator who landed 10 km away?
                      3. 0
                        12 August 2022 18: 17
                        Quote: Zoer
                        DRG is a complex issue. And the problem of the FSB too. How can the guard of the airfield be able to resist the mortar crew, which has set up a firing position 5 km from the airfield? Or an UAV operator who landed 10 km away?

                        And how was it managed in Afghanistan? Chechnya? Syria?


                        Based on your position, it is enough to send 50 DRGs with mortars to Ukraine and they will bring the Armed Forces of Ukraine to zero ... yeah ...
                      4. 0
                        12 August 2022 19: 01
                        It's funny to compare the base in the rear for 300 km, and on the front.
                        And yes, 50 thousand DRGs would have taken Kyiv back in March, from the same Gostomel. But...
                      5. -1
                        12 August 2022 19: 29
                        "DRG - is it a systemic problem, or is the sentry not giving a damn?"
                        and what can a sentry, not even a pofigist, do against the DRG?
                      6. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 14
                        Quote: aglet
                        "DRG - is it a systemic problem, or is the sentry not giving a damn?"
                        and what can a sentry, not even a pofigist, do against the DRG?

                        if he can’t do anything, then cancel the UG and KS .... why is he - if the sentry can’t do anything?

                        The people tracked on the "great and omnipotent" DRG
                      7. -1
                        13 August 2022 10: 05
                        "The people went to the "great and omnipotent" DRG"
                        have you been to drg? or watch? one shot from a screw cutter, and there is no sentry. one shot from a grenade launcher, and a dozen sentries will not help. DRG, of course, are not omnipotent, but sentries are easy prey for them
                      8. 0
                        13 August 2022 15: 06
                        Quote: aglet
                        have you been to drg? or watch? one shot from a screw cutter, and there is no sentry. one shot from a grenade launcher, and a dozen sentries will not help. DRG, of course, are not omnipotent, but sentries are easy prey for them

                        Yeah .... so everyone thinks after watching the movie "# prospecnaz".
                        Only now the troublesome couple can’t hear that the DRGs armed with Lobaevsky’s “Twilights” or mortars fired Himarsov’s crews or 777. And all you need to do is put a couple of hundred people.
                        It seems that they sat down for 2 km and beat - I don’t want to ...
                        There is no match, you can’t hear ... and the opposite situation against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is also isolated cases.
                        Not everything is as simple and beautiful as in the movies....
                      9. -1
                        14 August 2022 11: 07
                        "Not everything is so simple and beautiful - like in the movies...."
                        I see you know special forces only from the movies. the fact that a very strange war is being waged now does not mean that a sentry from a hundred meters cannot be removed silently, but from a grenade launcher from half a kilometer, a fuel depot or a ravine can be broken. but we are not looking for easy ways. our enemy is looking for these paths. and finds
                      10. 0
                        14 August 2022 13: 10
                        Quote: aglet
                        I see you know the special forces only from the movies

                        1) demonic cloud of guards on urgent and after
                        2) artillery reconnaissance on an urgent basis
                        3) Special units of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for the protection of critical facilities and sensitive cargo
                        Everywhere they taught how to counteract possible enemy actions ...
                        The only option is a soldier who is muzzled to the limit and who doesn’t care about anything, just to sleep. Yes, there are chances
                        Quote: aglet
                        the fact that a very strange war is being waged now does not mean that a sentry from a hundred meters cannot be removed silently, but from a grenade launcher from half a kilometer, a fuel depot or a ravine can be broken. but we are not looking for easy ways. our enemy is looking for these paths. and finds

                        Yeah? And you know many cases full the absence of a front line !!!! - actions of the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ???
                        Moreover, have you heard a lot over the 8 years of the actions of the DRG in the LDNR? Zakharchenko, Motorola, it may still be from 10-20 and that's all ... in 8 years !!!!

                        And yes, an RPG grenade will cause the detonation of a couple of three units in caps - and the rest will simply scatter from a stack with an explosion
                      11. 0
                        13 August 2022 19: 35
                        In fact, it is recommended to equip guard towers along the perimeter of such objects (and here I “did not observe them in the pictures”) within the line of sight of one another. So, even if the drg is "with brains". Those. to remove the sentry on the tower, he uses a barrel with PBS (and not "HP", because at such a distance, in the daytime, "imperceptibly", it's just not possible to approach. And it's difficult to "hit" ...), then the sentries on the "neighboring" "the loss of a colleague", with a high probability, will be noticed even before the drg "slips" the perimeter ...

                        But, in general, I believe that sentries (in any case, in the zones of warfare and "close" to these rear areas, IT IS LONG TIME TO EQUIP not only "machine guns" (or RPK ...), BUT ALSO VIDEO CAMERAS on a helmet (or "armor"). So that the nachkar or pomnachkara, had in front of him ALWAYS (CONTINUOUSLY) a "picture" about the situation on the territory of the post and at its "borders" ...

                        Delov something - "on a penny", from a technical point of view, the complexity is "zero". Only the initiative is needed, but "strain your brains", BEFORE the next "fried" pecked ...
                      12. -1
                        14 August 2022 11: 11
                        "But, in general, I believe that sentries (in any case, in the zones of warfare and "near" to the rear areas, IT IS LONG TIME TO EQUIP not only "machine guns" (or RPK ...), BUT ALSO VIDEO CAMERAS "
                        the sentry is no longer needed - a camera with a motion sensor is simpler and more reliable
                      13. 0
                        14 August 2022 21: 35
                        At the expense - "easier", perhaps. At the expense, - "more reliable", I doubt it. Reasonable, I doubt it...

                        In addition, a sentry with the mentioned equipment. can be inserted when "needed", where "needed" and as quickly as "needed". And "cameras with sensors" at the "facility" is ALWAYS a PRELIMINARY project, with its PRELIMINARY "working out" (checking the effectiveness of the proposed installation at the facility). and, as a rule, NOT ONE DAY, in DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. By the way, quite vulnerable to "thunderstorm" (strong lightning strikes, even "to the ground" ...). "Fly out" IMMEDIATELY, if not all cameras, then a significant part of them ...

                        For this, IN ADDITION "to the sentry", I, - FOR. "Instead of" sentry, I _ NO ...
    2. +2
      12 August 2022 08: 44
      In the case, it will turn out so that they will try to hide even more. How to lie.
  4. +1
    11 August 2022 09: 02
    I am not an expert in airplanes, but the white flyers in the photo raise questions in my mind, what kind of devices are they? Do we still have these in service ....? Why are they not painted according to GOST?
    On some, the wing shape is swept, on others at a right angle ...? Will any of the civilians be able to identify from these images that this is the same airfield? Or once again we have to "grab" bullshit striped....? It looks like a computer toy...
    1. +3
      11 August 2022 09: 12
      You can look in all sorts of maps to see if the location of lanes-tracks-taxiing coincides. I'll take care of it.
      1. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 18
        Yes, the same one.
    2. +12
      11 August 2022 09: 14
      The airport is the same. Yandex / Google maps with satellite layers to help.
      Coloring is not according to GOST, how did you evaluate it from the photo?
      Not white, but light gray - these are Su-24, front-line bombers. Old technology, asking for write-off. But we have what we have.
      1. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 26
        As I understand it, the write-off equipment is kept in caponiers along with the serviceable one? There are two coffee grinders on the desktop in the kitchen, one is working, the other is not.
        1. 0
          11 August 2022 11: 44
          In the event of an attack from an UAV, it just makes sense to keep them in caponiers as a decoy.
          Recently, there was an attack from a civilian drone in Sevastopol.
          1. -5
            11 August 2022 13: 06
            Yeah, the operator is a sucker, he doesn’t see a false target or a real one .... For Sevastopol, like there was a false headquarters of the IMF nearby, but they hit the real one ..., the operator turned out to be not a sucker ...
            1. +1
              11 August 2022 13: 22
              yeah, like the operator is "not a goof" and has an x-ray eye, and knows which plane is flying and which is not
              and I am silent about the quality of the picture from the quadrocopter

              and where does the false headquarters not understand at all, did he understand what he wrote?)
    3. +16
      11 August 2022 09: 17
      The Su-24M/MR is the workhorse of the Navy's aviation.



      Parking - it just does not suck, but a duty link + a group of constant readiness. This type of wing-to-wing placement is constantly criticized and has been successfully / not very covered in Syria. As a result, conclusions were partially drawn in Syria.

      For example, a couple of satellite passes before - there were Su-24 + Su-30 and another Su-30 wing to wing in another parking lot.


      And here's how it looks at other air bases

    4. +7
      11 August 2022 09: 32
      This is Mor. aviation. It's painted in there.
  5. +13
    11 August 2022 09: 03
    Still, it is surprising that ammunition depots are located in close proximity to aircraft. Why are they not taken out at least 500 meters? After all, a baby understands that such an entire airfield can be destroyed by a grenade dropped from a quadrocopter.
    1. +3
      11 August 2022 09: 18
      Who told you about the proximity of warehouses to LA? Another thing is that in preparation for a sortie, the BC is brought to the aircraft, but it is logical ...
      And in principle, we only know about the detonation of the BC from the asterisk of the Ministry of Defense, which said that the affected equipment was 0 ...
      1. -3
        11 August 2022 09: 36
        There are other options? Stealth missiles?
        1. -3
          11 August 2022 09: 49
          Yes, yes, and stealth craters, and burnt technology 0 ... Eat noodles on.
          1. +6
            11 August 2022 10: 01
            You see. When the bk explodes, it expands. And re-detonation. Noodles? I believe hundreds of people filming this and my eyes and ears. Do you want to prove that these are atamaki? Well, let's think about it. The states, having scored on everything, give them rockets. Launch from Odessa with a probability of 95 percent. By your logic, massive. Funnels. Neither reconnaissance means nor means of detection notice him. On the trajectory ball. Air defense is blind. Several rockets are rushing at him, they are all sleeping. Gain altitude and begin to descend. They still sleep. And then the first and big explosion falls. But what a miracle. After others fall but explode less epic. Well, the warheads apparently put them smaller. Filmed hundreds of people around. They're watching. And they don't see anything. Invisibles. And silent. But not. They could have shied away from the submarine, right?
            1. -1
              11 August 2022 10: 25
              Anything could fly there, from an ATACMS or a harpoon equipped with self-aiming sub-units, to ordinary DRG bumblebee shots. And yes, air defense, intelligence and the FSB screwed up the whole thing.
              On the other hand, the photos clearly show that the planes were destroyed in two completely different parking lots, located at a decent distance from each other. Those. there two ensigns simultaneously smoked on tanks of kerosene?
              1. +3
                11 August 2022 11: 48
                Well. Layered air defense, together with reconnaissance and detection equipment at all complexes, went blind at once. DRG is definitely not. Shafts. Well, if you only want to end your life with suicide. I will repeat about the parking. Expansion. This happens with any explosion in my warehouses. Look at the fire map. Everything went like a fan from the warehouse. https://t.me/RVvoenkor/22662
                1. 0
                  11 August 2022 12: 30
                  In the RK, Moscow also had air defense to the point of foolishness. Oh yeah, there's also a fire... Well, OK. Antonovsky bridge, also air defense ... What's the point? Yes, and whether it was echeloned in Novoselovka. Deep rear, why type.
                  Yes, and the DRG, as there is nothing to do, will crawl through and smash open targets. While fireworks and turmoil, it's easy to dump. The General Staff of the Black Sea Fleet was blown up on the day of the Navy, but here the task of the type is much more difficult?
                  So yes, keep smoking that nonsense from Konashenkov.
                  1. +1
                    11 August 2022 12: 42
                    Oh God... Yes, I'm not trying to persuade you. You can believe what you like. That's what freedom is for. I'm used to analyzing. DRG will get through? Well, ninjas are simple. Happy. At the military airfield. With grenade launchers. Stick into the warehouse at close range and heroically die from the explosion. There are shafts. Antonovsky bridge? You know, I hope that our air defense was not created at all to fight the MLRS and its massive launches, right? I agree about the headquarters. But it was much easier to perform there than at a military airfield. You can not protect yourself from everything and foresee all threats. And it's important to move quickly. I think a second strike on the headquarters in this way is already ruled out. But again, believe what you want is your business. I just think and prefer to do it with arguments.
                    1. -5
                      11 August 2022 12: 53
                      Why DRG to climb up close? There, to the nearest skyscrapers, 700 m, for RPGs it’s quite normal. The mortar generally hits for 5 km. The UAV will fly even further. There are plenty of options. And their bungling only multiplies and simplifies.
                      1. 0
                        11 August 2022 14: 26
                        You should at least watch the video first.
                    2. -1
                      12 August 2022 19: 38
                      "At a military airfield. With grenade launchers. Drive into a warehouse at point-blank range and die heroically from the explosion. There are ramparts"
                      a simple boot for 4 km hits, ept
              2. 0
                12 August 2022 10: 10
                Quote: Zoer
                before the usual shots of bumblebees DRG.

                The explosion would simply stupidly scatter the BC - there are too few explosives to detonate the array of BPs that are in capping.
              3. -1
                13 August 2022 08: 18
                A thermobaric bumblebee entered at a right angle to the ground surface and left a funnel 5-7 meters in diameter with soil ejection? It must be a very cool Bumblebee.
          2. +1
            11 August 2022 11: 46
            the scattering of ammunition to the sides was filmed on numerous videos
            and suddenly funnels remain from them too
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 08: 21
              Satellite images do not show us such funnels. They show funnels of the same diameter, of the correct shape, which, as it were, hints that the power of the explosions was the same, and the angle of incidence of the warhead is close to 90 *.
              1. -1
                13 August 2022 21: 20
                Once again, eyewitnesses filmed a video of the munitions flying.
                Do you want to say this is fake and there were no surges?))
                or that there were no funnels left from these scatterings?)
                1. -1
                  13 August 2022 21: 30
                  I said everything I wanted to. You must read carefully.
      2. +3
        11 August 2022 09: 39
        Funnels in place of the hangars were actually formed. What was stored in these hangars, if not ammunition?
  6. +9
    11 August 2022 09: 07
    If Ukraine dares to attack our territory, then it's time for the western Bendery Ukraine to experience the delights of war. Cut off electricity, gas and water, let them eat rotten food and drown in their own shit.
    If the West has the audacity to give weapons, unleash a subversive war against the economy of the West. Gas pipelines run through neutral waters from Africa to Italy and Spain, from Norway to Great Britain and Germany. After that, gas prices will skyrocket. Of course, there will be accusations, but Europe must understand that it will have to pay a huge price for unleashing a hybrid war against Russia. Europe has already taken several steps towards escalation. The first is the training of saboteurs and terrorists on their territory. The second is artillery. The third is jet systems for 80 km. The fourth is missiles for 150 km. What are they waiting for in the Kremlin? Where is the red line? Waiting for tomahawks? Or nuclear weapons? At the moment we are playing by the rules of the West and in fact we are patient.
    1. +14
      11 August 2022 09: 15
      Quote from Eva Star
      If Ukraine dares to attack our territory, then it's time for the western Bendery Ukraine to experience the delights of war.

      Western Ukraine has been avoiding the front lines by hook or by crook since 2014, the East is at war with us, didn’t you know? belay
    2. +6
      11 August 2022 09: 18
      Europe pays for gas in rubles. Who does not pay, those have already been turned off. And these rubles go to the NWO as well. And including on them the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet will be restored.
      And on the topic of the one-second video, it turned out to be a fake. The landscape on it does not converge with satellite images of the airfield. You can talk about funnels for a long time. They should have already completed the inspection of the scene and understood whether there are ATAMCS details or not. And further. When Iskanders are flying around Kharkov, Belgorod people upload videos with launches. I have not heard that something similar appeared in Odessa or Nikolaev publics. One way or another, it's time for the investigation to decide on the version, and the fleet command to draw conclusions. And probably already to another command.
    3. +9
      11 August 2022 09: 20
      You propose, in principle, reasonable steps, but their implementation requires certain opportunities, which, apparently, we do not have at present. Everything that is, except for nuclear weapons, is already involved. The command obviously does not want to use nuclear weapons, and I personally understand them.
      1. -6
        11 August 2022 09: 42
        Nuclear weapons are a huge stupidity, we will only turn our partners away from us. Nuclear weapons only if NATO countries strike at us. But unleashing a hybrid economic war against Europe is entirely within our power. The EU is an industrial zone that needs huge resources. First of all, gas. Without gas, the industry will stop. Factories and factories will stop. We can't cut off our gas because we'll just deprive ourselves of money, but if we destroy the intra-NATO gas pipelines from Norway, this will cause our income to skyrocket. Do not forget that behind Russia is China, which is an industrial competitor to Europe. Let's make China stronger, we'll be stronger ourselves. It is time for Russia to take a step towards escalation, and not wait for new steps from the West. We must answer for every step taken by Europe. The gas war is the area where it will be difficult for Europe to respond, although they may well blow up the northern stream.
        1. 0
          11 August 2022 11: 28
          Everything is not as you write. Read articles and adequate comments on VO and you yourself will be able to figure out what's what.
          PS The minus put by someone does not approve of your opinion.
        2. 0
          12 August 2022 08: 50
          Nothing will stop there. It will become more expensive, it will be competitively losing to the United States, but it will not stop. In the energy sector, gas will be replaced by coal, by launching mothballed thermal power plants or fuel oil, which they will start buying at the very least in Iran or even Venezuela. Gas for the production of ammonia, methanol and synthesis gas will be purchased in the form of LNG, its consumption as a chemical raw material is relatively small.
    4. -6
      11 August 2022 09: 37
      And who will do it?? Russia will once again wipe itself out and make 435 Russian warning
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 11: 39
        The Chinese had many thousands of warnings.
        While they planted a US intelligence officer and gave it to the dismantled
        Back
        The war for money and territory is on, not for planes and people, the price is 10 million for death, etc.
    5. -2
      11 August 2022 09: 38
      The arrested money of senior officials is still in Western banks, the arrested yachts are at the mooring walls, and their children continue to receive education in European and American universities. So the decision-making centers will have to wait for a while for an answer.
    6. -9
      11 August 2022 09: 40
      And we have always been patient.
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 21: 19
        Quote: Atmospheric QUEEN
        And we have always been patient.

        Specifically, yes.
    7. +8
      11 August 2022 09: 41
      And in fairness, why shouldn't they dare to attack our territory? To make it clear, I myself live in this Crimea, in the city of Simferopol, and I fully admit that we can have both a sabotage, which is logical, and a terrorist attack, which is a crime. For example, Sintsov’s group tried to commit such a terrorist attack in 2014.
      When there was a war with Georgia, the Black Sea Fleet left Sevastopol, the Georgians simply had nothing to answer, but they had every right to attack the base, and Ukraine, from a legal point of view, became an accomplice. Why was Yushchenko so freaking out that he would not let the Russian ships back. We laughed, why don't you let me in?
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 21: 58
        And they cannot LEGALLY do this, for the simple reason that THEIR LEGAL President (internationally recognized by the way), Viktor Yanukovych, OFFICIALLY turned to Russia for help, STILL IN his position and IN THE TERRITORY of the former united Ukraine. He was ILLEGALLY OVERCOME, as a result of an anti-constitutional coup d'état. , accusations of And he, AS President, NEVER made ANY "claims" against Russia, much less accusations of some kind of "aggression and occupation" ...

        Their Constitutional Court (the only body that at least "formally" and "post factum" could start the impeachment proceedings against Yanukovych) IS ILLEGALLY DISSOLVED...

        And their LEGAL Head of Government, Azarov, was ILLEGALLY removed from his post...

        Behind this, the Kyiv regime is illegal "a priori". ANY RESISTANCE TO HIS ILLEGAL ACTIONS AND DECISIONS IS LEGAL. Incl. and SUPPORT for such resistance, which since 2014 Russia has not supported the population of the territories of the overthrowers, AND PROVIDES ...

        By the way, in South Ossetia, the Russian peacekeeping contingent was LEGALLY, according to the THREE-sided agreement between Moscow, Tiflis and Tskhinvali. And it could be LEGALLY "denounced", ONLY on the basis of a GENERAL (that is, tripartite...) consensus. Tiflis interrupted it ONE-SIDE, WHICH gave Tskhinval and Moscow the LEGAL right to USE FORCE, in order to protect the safety and life of its citizens and fulfill their INTERNATIONAL obligations ...
    8. 0
      11 August 2022 22: 20
      I wonder when the training manual will be replaced for you, after all, you are probably tired of the same thing. Or a bot from a pig farm?
    9. 0
      12 August 2022 08: 47
      And about three months ago, she still did not dare to attack our territory?
  7. +4
    11 August 2022 09: 09
    Again, MO is silent as the potheads report success. Ah, the truth behind seven locks!
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 10: 15
      Quote: Sergey39
      Again, MO is silent as the potheads report success. Ah, the truth behind seven locks!

      Well, yes, at the same time, the apparatus of Ze and the Ministry of Defense of the country 404 refused to take responsibility
  8. +8
    11 August 2022 09: 11
    If there were arrivals, then there would be a funnel from such a rocket .. not one. Of all that can shoot like that, this is not a 220mm Hymars. The next size is 600mm. From the OF there would be a specific funnel, from the Cassette - the victims would be just a shaft. And an air defense breakthrough over the Crimea is unlikely. On the territory of Ukraine, Haimars fly interspersed with MLRS missiles ..... and here are single missiles on high trajectories and a bunch of air defense.
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 09: 37
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And an air defense breakthrough over the Crimea is unlikely. On the territory of Ukraine, Haimars fly interspersed with MLRS missiles ..... and here are single missiles on high trajectories and a bunch of air defense.

      Watching what...
      If you look in a straight line, the airfield in Dzhankoy is closer, but it happened in Saki.
      The airfield is located right on the coast. We do not control the northwestern part of the Black Sea. The fleet has been forced out by coastal missile systems, the Serpentine fleet has been abandoned, air patrols are a big question.
      The option of attacking with low-altitude anti-ship missiles over the sea surface suggests itself, followed by a "slide" over the target. The detection of such targets by coastal radar systems is not large in range, given the time required to respond, the picture is even worse hi
      1. +4
        11 August 2022 10: 13
        There would be witnesses of the arrivals of the Kyrgyz Republic ..... with sound and video. And the radar around the shaft.
        1. -1
          11 August 2022 10: 29
          Quote: Zaurbek
          There would be witnesses of the arrivals of the Kyrgyz Republic.

          Airfield "working". Planes fly back and forth. Yes, and shooting near such objects is, as it were, "highly undesirable" hi
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And the radar around the shaft.

          The option of attacking with low-altitude anti-ship missiles over the sea surface suggests itself, followed by a "slide" over the target. The detection of such targets by coastal radar systems is not large in range, given the time required to respond, the picture is even worse

          There are no high altitudes for an elevated location of the radar in order to increase the detection range in this area request
          1. +1
            11 August 2022 10: 37
            Agree that vacationers in a shaft (there are beaches all around) the approach of a subsonic KR, as it should be heard. And what is this CR? with that range?
            1. -2
              11 August 2022 10: 42
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Agree that vacationers in a shaft (there are beaches around) the approach of a subsonic KR, as it should be heard

              I agree. Do you agree that there are NO comments from those vacationers at all? And in the accessible ones it sounds only - "There are no losses and victims" hi
              Quote: Zaurbek
              And what is this CR? with that range?

              Harpoon, Neptune, what else was supplied there from a not easy
              1. +1
                11 August 2022 12: 15
                This is anti-ship missiles after all ... And the main video was from vacationers from the beach .. and two large explosions too .... but without the arrival of missiles.
    2. 0
      11 August 2022 17: 18
      well, nothing more than a UFO
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 22: 28
        Or partisans
    3. 0
      12 August 2022 08: 53
      And there are no "specific" funnels? It’s better not to talk about an unlikely air defense breakthrough.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 09: 00
        There, judging by the photo, there are three or four explosion sites ... in places where there were some kind of buildings. Aircraft, judging by the pictures, burned down. The runway is intact, the caponiers are intact.
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 09: 29
          I do not see any fragments of buildings, if only very light ones. Those planes that are not "trash" in the photo, they are also 90% inoperable, most likely, because. damaged by fragments and shock wave.

          I'm leaning towards missile attack during the outage of air defense radars that can't work 24/7. And having such a reconnaissance vehicle as NATO has, it is quite possible to catch such a moment. We saw how air defense works both in Moscow and in tow (I forgot what it's called).
  9. +9
    11 August 2022 09: 11
    Possibly destroyed. NATO is at war with us. Ukrainians are just meat, body, hands, everything else, coordination, target designation, goals, everything comes from "our partners." So why be surprised? They will beat, they will get, they will burn. They burned iron, which means it is necessary to produce twice as much. Hohloreich gives an incentive for the mobilization of industry, along the way it will be hard without it. Image? Don't care about the image, the main thing is Victory. About morale, you know, I listen to cycles on the Second World War on tactics Media, where the defense of Voronezh is being sorted out in 42. Ours were beaten in the tail and in the mane, burned, destroyed, scattered, captured. That's how grandfathers and great-grandfathers took out this morally? Therefore, do not care about image losses, wet them with all the Nazis there, definitely Victory will be ours.
    1. +1
      11 August 2022 10: 07
      The defense of Voronezh in the 42nd, you say, media tactician. Mishan Timin, along with someone else, I don’t remember the last name. Watched. The very concept of this "military-historical research" is not clear. Everything is based on the data of German documents, some letters from the front, reports, reports. For some reason they are taken as a STANDARD!!! At face value, and THEIR INFORMATION IS NOT DISCUSSED!!! Never! Can you tell me why this is so? Is it possible that the Fritz have more faith than ours, our own? Surely they had no facts of forgery, deceit and fraud? THERE WAS SO MUCH!!! But Misha and his like-minded person do not care, for some reason. But over Soviet documents that emerge in the course of the "narration" only episodically and singly, Mishan and this author have the audacity to make fun and laugh. If Mishanya used to write correct articles about the rams of 1941, about the first bombardment by our SB of the enemy’s territory, about the actions of the 67th IAP over Bessarabia, how ours simply rolled out the Romanians in the first hours of the war, now Mishanya changed his shoes and is on the other side of the front line . So, about the fact that ours near Voronezh "both in the tail and in the mane" you would take it easy, dear! The battle for Voronezh lasted even longer than Stalingrad, the left bank was not completely given to the enemy, the Hungarian German Romanian divisions were crushed and did not give them the opportunity to spread to Stalingrad. Voronezh is the City of Military Glory, and did not receive the title of Hero City only because friendship began immediately with the Magyars after the war. And near Voronezh, several hundred thousand of them were destroyed. Grandfathers and great-grandfathers morally took this out because, unlike you, they didn’t listen to Goebbels’s nonsense! Sovinformburo and Comrade Levitan! All! That's why we won! Order in thoughts - order in the head - order on the battlefield! And by the way, many turned their backs on Misha when they realized that he had gone over to the other side. Therefore, not the whole truth that they are trying to pour into your head. Be critical of any information, analyze and think! Victory will definitely be ours! This is not discussed.
      1. 0
        15 August 2022 01: 36
        Any historian, or a person involved in history, tends to go somewhere, has his own point of view, regardless of right or left. I was talking about the general situation. The army is retreating, giving up territory, this is a fact. People who receive cabbage soup are always demoralized, and this makes Victory more valuable. Now we will also receive, we receive, but, for one beaten, they give two unbeaten. I just, myself was in a certain situation. The army of the USSR, they taught us, mighty, invincible, but once they raked it so much that mom don’t cry, from whom, from the dekhanins (conditionally). I remember this mood, short-term, but it was. And in the Second World War, people lived in this for two years.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 09: 47
          Well, yes, yes ... And that German historian, who a year ago yelled at all the media that the monument near Prokhorovka should be demolished, because the Red Army "did not win there, but filled it up with corpses, and the Germans lost only one tiger" - ALSO HAS ITS OWN POINT OF VIEW! So what do you think?
          Started raked "from the peasants" - this is a guerrilla war on a foreign, unfamiliar territory, with a limited contingent of troops. Do you know that the whole Western world helped these "farmers"? States, Angles, Pakistan, France, even China! They were armed, trained and all this was well paid! Therefore, one should not think that in Afghanistan the Union fought with "downtrodden and stupid peasants"! Then it was absolutely the same as now in Ukraine. The Soviet Army was preparing to fight in Europe, but it had to fight in the mountains. Why? Yes, because drugs and radical Islamism, separatism, nurtured by the terrorists in Pakistan, actively began to climb across the border, into what was still Soviet Central Asia. This could not be allowed. I had to start fighting and in the process to learn this in new conditions.
    2. Eug
      0
      11 August 2022 10: 19
      Let's be realistic - not to produce twice as much, which, if it does, it will be very slow and costly, but to stop being happy, start strictly following instructions and fulfilling official duties, imbued with responsibility and at the same time showing maximum initiative and ingenuity ... although I don’t know which is more realistic...
  10. +2
    11 August 2022 09: 11
    whatever it is, there is only one question: do we live according to the laws of war? or still not?
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 10: 18
      Quote: Dedok
      whatever it is, there is only one question: do we live according to the laws of war? or still not?

      No!!!! - otherwise there would be no discussions about "#propralypolymers" here...
  11. +1
    11 August 2022 09: 12
    It was a matter of time before satellite images appeared and once again dipped our Defense Ministry, which still lives in the middle of the last century, with the fact that "there is no loss of equipment."
    1. -1
      11 August 2022 10: 24
      yes MO doesn’t care what they think about him, he lives in his own world
    2. -1
      11 August 2022 16: 20
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      It was a matter of time before satellite images appeared and once again our MO was dipped

      about such people, my grandmother said: "at least piss in the eyes - all God's dew"
  12. +2
    11 August 2022 09: 13
    The option with a cigarette is clearly out of the question, and my version is unvoiced too. Was the ammunition lying on the ground everywhere except the runway?
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    2. 0
      11 August 2022 10: 12
      Excuse me Andrey, but what is an apron?
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 10: 21
        Men have penises, but women?
        1. 0
          11 August 2022 10: 22
          Understood! Behind!
  13. -2
    11 August 2022 09: 17
    I do not confirm, but perhaps this is a journalistic duck with photo manipulation of photographs. They are such inventors. The originals of the photos should be looked at by specialists, but who will give them to strangers, and they will lie to their own ...
  14. +2
    11 August 2022 09: 23
    Dear aviators! It seems that the plane in the picture "from Saki" looks more like a Su-17 than a Su-30/34/35.
    Attached is the plane from the picture and a photo of the Khmeinim airport.
    Comment on who is "drag"

    1. +6
      11 August 2022 09: 28
      Standard mole.

      Here is the Su-24 on another ab.


      Here you can clearly see that it is the Su-24 - on the nose, and not the Su-17, which does not even have a nose, but one air intake.
    2. kpd
      +5
      11 August 2022 09: 49
      The aircraft in the picture is a Su-24.
  15. +10
    11 August 2022 09: 23
    I’m wondering what our generals hope for when they frankly lie on such high-profile topics? That enemy satellites will go blind for a while? Or, the fact that the enemies in unison will carry all the same nonsense to their own detriment? Do they take everyone for idiots? And the people, and their leadership and the enemy? All this only says that they themselves are idiots. In general, it becomes clear why, after half a year of the database, the enemy is still shelling Donetsk.
    1. +8
      11 August 2022 09: 39
      Quote: Zoer
      I’m wondering what our generals hope for when they frankly lie on such high-profile topics? That enemy satellites will go blind for a while? Or, the fact that the enemies in unison will carry all the same nonsense to their own detriment? Do they take everyone for idiots? And the people, and their leadership and the enemy? All this only says that they themselves are idiots. In general, it becomes clear why, after half a year of the database, the enemy is still shelling Donetsk.

      They don't hope for anything. They gave out the "correct" information, ticked the box and that's it. Or do you think someone is very worried that satellite images will appear and someone will be convicted of something? Well, they appeared. Did someone in MO sleep worse because of this? This is called indifference.
      1. -3
        11 August 2022 10: 36
        For indifference should bang. If it does not reach, then a kick in the ass. And we have already had 40 years of indifference in the country, or even longer. At the same time, all nihilists only go to promotion.
    2. -7
      11 August 2022 09: 51
      I’m wondering what our generals hope for when they frankly lie on such high-profile topics?

      The truth should be served like a coat, not tossed in the face like a wet towel (Mark Twain)

      The information department of the Ministry of Defense works simply masterfully good

      Yesterday and today, the public will quarrel, argue. All questions should be answered "No". When evidence appears, the public will no longer have the strength for heated debate, the steam will come out, the hype will subside and gradually everyone will forget everything

      Bingo! fellow
      1. +2
        11 August 2022 10: 38
        Ahh, it’s what it is ... But I think, why is there such great confidence among the people in their own power? Konashenkov just makes me sick. But the loss of trust by the authorities is the worst thing. No 5th column will be needed ...
        1. -8
          11 August 2022 10: 45
          But the loss of trust by the authorities is the worst thing.

          So, what is next

          Will they run around the streets like bulky riot policemen and take selfies in paddy wagons? laughing
          1. -3
            11 August 2022 10: 51
            From what riot police, if they are fed up with all this? In 1917, policemen were already hung on poles, those who did not have time / did not want to change their shoes.
        2. 0
          12 August 2022 09: 00
          Don't care about trust. What can you do, for example, or I, except how to grind with my tongue? That's what's real? Nothing. There is food in the refrigerator. And while it is, those who are at the top have nothing to fear. Most couch strategists do not have weapons (this is not America for you), all the more there is nothing to be afraid of. The main thing is that the herd does not disperse, which means that there is no need to worry it once again: concerts, football, only good, victorious news in the media. Well, porn through VPNchik can also be allowed. Vodka in shops, and for special connoisseurs and young and energetic - dope in bookmarks. The main thing is not to wander off and stick your nose into the affairs of the right people. That's all.
          1. -1
            15 August 2022 04: 09
            Cynically .... But for sure.
    3. +2
      11 August 2022 09: 59
      The diagnosis is correct. The case in the Russian Federation is widespread. There is nothing to be surprised. The opinion of the People is of little interest to them, The People are only good tales! Such are the Kremlin's Central Administration. fellow
    4. -2
      11 August 2022 10: 26
      they don't care what they think of them
    5. -7
      11 August 2022 10: 40
      Something will change when the rocket flies to them. But this will not happen, the Ukrainians will not beat their own.
    6. 0
      11 August 2022 14: 47
      Quote: Zoer
      I’m wondering what our generals hope for when they frankly lie on such high-profile topics?

      And who will stop them from lying? Maybe you will go to a rally with slogans about the prohibition of lies by officials? Well good luck)
      They wrote to you in black and white - there are no losses, the aircraft is intact, why did you climb to look at some pictures? It was necessary for Konashenkov and bainki.
  16. +6
    11 August 2022 09: 25
    How is that?! Shame and shame.

    I don’t understand, well, it’s obvious that if the blow was effective, then the West will demonstrate it with satellite images, why was it nonsense that the equipment was not damaged ?!

    The damage from this did not become less, but now there is no faith in Konashenkov's words at all !!!

    Saved on hangars. All planes are at a glance and any schoolchild can determine their coordinates in Google maps.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 09: 42
      Rather, they didn’t save, but stole ... As in UAVs, and in communications, and in the modern fleet, on modern tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Everyone tumbled into villas and yachts, but all of a sudden they were taken away by non-partners ...
      1. -2
        11 August 2022 11: 53
        To steal, you need to do at least something, at an overestimated estimate, and put the difference in your pocket or on accounts abroad, and these mediocrity cannot even do this.

        As the saying goes "neither steal nor guard".
    2. Eug
      +3
      11 August 2022 10: 05
      During the years of service, he was greatly surprised by the production of flights with a central lock (centralized refueling or technical position - he met different names). Many boards (at least 2 AE) and related OBATO equipment are so densely concentrated very close to aviation kerosene tanks .. and no embankment (as in parking lots), and the storage of missiles 3 and 4 BC at the GPPR is also not far .. conclusion - this scheme flight operations need to be changed (if this has not yet been done), it will be more difficult and more expensive, but also closer to reality ....
    3. -3
      11 August 2022 10: 27
      he doesn't care if he is believed or not, he will also continue
    4. -1
      11 August 2022 14: 49
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The damage from this did not become less, but now there is no faith in Konashenkov's words at all !!!

      If you continued to believe Konashenkov in August 2022, I have bad news for you.
  17. +14
    11 August 2022 09: 27
    Regardless of whether it was a sabotage, a long-range attack or a violation of TB, the main reason is the total gouging across the country. You cannot fight against NATO with Chinese drones and the blood of young guys with AKM in their hands. What is happening now at the fronts is explained either by a very cunning plan or by criminal preparedness.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 09: 45
      Everything is explained by Putin's cunning plan. The vertical was built strictly according to a cunning plan. They built it... But there was not enough money and intelligence for the rest. Now we have what we have, and we listen to wonderful tales about detonations and pops, about storm conditions, about undamaged equipment, etc. etc.
      1. -6
        11 August 2022 10: 17
        Why is Putin here? We have thousands of generals and a bunch of services in the Russian Defense Ministry !!!

        Is Putin supposed to build aircraft hangars?! Or is the budget of 50 billion dollars a year not enough to build dozens of such hangars?

        Untalented all around, because in the army in all positions everything is done by ties, by acquaintance, the children of generals, they just sit, sitting out their pants in anticipation of the next rank and position. They make a bunch of all sorts of orders about tags and the size of the plates, but no one thinks of real combat readiness and effectiveness, therefore there are no hangars for aircraft, no KAZ on tanks, no shock UAVs, or a bunch of other necessary things, but there are tags on a blanket, machine gun and body armor . In tags, we are ahead of all the armies of the world.
        1. +11
          11 August 2022 10: 56
          Yes, GDP, of course, has nothing to do with it, as a builder of a system with a negative selection of officials, the so-called vertical of power. So mediocrity is everywhere around, only because of this very vertical. "We do not need smart people. We need devotees" - this is the main postulate of this system. So, nothing surprising and paranormal is happening now.
          1. -4
            11 August 2022 12: 01
            Yes, GDP, of course, has nothing to do with it, as a builder of a system with a negative selection of officials, the so-called vertical of power. So mediocrity is everywhere around, only because of this very vertical. "We do not need smart people. We need devotees" - this is the main postulate of this system. So, nothing surprising and paranormal is happening now.


            Can you still say that before Putin somehow everything was much better?

            Maybe then explain how, before Putin, a country that sold oil and gas for decades became bankrupt?

            Or maybe it was much better with the army before Putin?

            There is no need to mask the mediocrity of local officials and individual commanders with the vertical of power and Putin, in this case they did everything that depended on him. He gave money, ordered planes - fly and take care !!! Didn't save. It turns out that Putin is to blame for the fact that all the duty services overslept either a missile attack or saboteurs, and Putin did not make hangars in order to increase the security of both bases and aircraft and make them invisible to NATO satellites.

            And what should the commander of the VSK do with us then? What is the commander of this base supposed to do? Just to receive a salary and wait for Putin to arrive to build aircraft hangars and personally disperse the equipment around the airfield so that everyone is not knocked to hell with one blow ?!
            1. +2
              11 August 2022 12: 36
              Is it okay that your "doputina" was 22 years ago? Yes, for comparison. The USSR, after the wild devastation of the civil war since 1922, in NINETEEN years, without oil and gas gold rivers, has become a powerful industrial country capable of breaking the back of the strongest army in the world. Further more. After a sizzling war for SIXTEEN years, the USSR became a leader in the space industry, in rocket science, and in the nuclear industry. WHAT did GDP build in TWENTY-TWO years, except for the vertical, which weeded out into its ranks all this mediocre slag of bureaucracy at all levels? BUT?
              1. -3
                11 August 2022 21: 46
                What is done? From a country that no one in the world reckoned with ... It became a Power that they look at and listen to ... Made a country that, despite all kinds of sanctions, continues to live quite well, while the USSR collapsed just from falling oil prices, then as it is now even the ruble did not fall. They returned order to the streets of the city in the 90s every night and even during the day someone was cut, someone was killed ... stopped the parade of sovereignties. Now it is completely because Russia now has one president. And, despite the shortcomings (and which army does not have them), our army is a modern army and not a disgrace from the 90s. The list goes on. And the main merit is that being Russian is no longer ashamed at all like in the 90s ... And the fact that the sanctions on us are for some reason bad for those who imposed them ...
                1. 0
                  11 August 2022 22: 04
                  This country was not considered then, nor now. Or sanctions and attempts to blockade Kaliningrad, do they count? Back with the blockade, only under the fear of a nuclear war, cancer was turned on. The creeping expansion of NATO, and under Putin, including, is this also considered? Don't rave. ALL the messes on our borders, this is all from the fact that they twirled our interests. And they are considered only with our nuclear weapons. But Putin's merit is 0.
                  PS: and look at China, for the same 20 years. No one took them into account back then. Now they dictate terms to almost the entire world. And the population, multibillion, lives more worthily than ours.
                  And now let me tell you what they pissed off over these 22 years.
                  Absolutely ALL state defense orders have been thwarted outright. All promises are completely profaned, including pension ones. Even housing for WWII veterans. Ukraine was pissed off, as a result of the war. Import substitution is fucked up. Space is fucked up. Well, yes, until the 90s, the benefit of oil is not 20 bucks.
                  1. -1
                    12 August 2022 08: 09
                    And what, EVERYTHING you have is limited to Western Europe, Sev. America and their mongrels? In addition to them, there are up to a bunch of different countries ... whose representatives and leaders stand in line to talk with Russia. Hmm... China strongly objected to Piloshi's visit to Taiwan, so what? You mentioned the Baltic states, and what you didn’t mention then about Lithuanian recognition of the independence of Taiwan itself ... be consistent. And look don't drown in Mr. You have too much of it. And if you don’t like THIS country so much, since you don’t respect OUR MOTHERLAND (Not yours), no one is holding you, you can even go to China.
                    1. 0
                      12 August 2022 08: 37
                      Oooh, one senses Prigogine's method. THIS country, etc.))) Relax, THIS country is my country, and I wish her only the best, and not robbery, first by EBNovskim, and then by GDPs. And yes, I see that your hats fly far away.
                      PS: About the rest of the world, it's not even funny. They just don’t care about the Russian Federation, it’s just that the Americans have already got them. About queues to talk in general LOL))) Did Masha Zakharova tell you on TV?
                      In general, throw your hats on. Life doesn't teach you anything. Even the war on the threshold of the country with the once fraternal people. And this people became Russophobic precisely because of the connivance of the GDP and its vertical.
                      1. -1
                        12 August 2022 11: 07
                        Oh, how ... so Putin released banderlog from the Gulag with the return of all rights to them ... But I thought that it was Mikitka Khrushchev who did it and that banderlog Kuchma began to cherish and cherish the Natsiks while still being the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR ... but it turns out out there it is.
                      2. +1
                        12 August 2022 11: 21
                        I'll tell you one secret... Russophobia in Ukraine did not arise yesterday, and even in 2014. It was there almost ALWAYS. But it bloomed in a lush color in the mid-90s, and then on the rise. And all those 14 years of GDP and its policy did not touch this issue in any way. That's not at all. Russian foundations were not supported, Bandera's were not condemned. At the same time, the Ukrainian oligarchs were regularly sponsored by our state, and they, in turn, sponsored Russophobia. So we got the Orange Revolution first, and then the Maidan. The funny thing is that VVP tumbled into Yanyk immeasurably, while he looked to the west and flirted with the Nazis. Finished, bravo!!!
                      3. 0
                        12 August 2022 11: 57
                        Quote: Zoer
                        touched on this issue. That's not at all. Russian funds were not supported,

                        Were they there? And again, you are taking everything to Putin... problems with Ukraine began long before the 90s... Putin had to work with what he had. Moreover, in the first two terms they dealt with the mess that they got from the USSR and the CPSU ... through EBN and its government (most members of the CPSU)
                      4. 0
                        12 August 2022 12: 31
                        If there were no funds, then it was necessary to create them. Why did the Americans create and we didn't? Yes, because they built a vertical, and fed their homies from the belly. That's all his work, aimed only at ensuring the irremovability of power. And the rest, even though the grass does not grow.
                      5. 0
                        12 August 2022 13: 50
                        Can you think with your head? If the government does not allow, not a single fund will be opened ... and I have already written above what and how I will not repeat. He who has ears, let him hear; he who has eyes, let him see.
                      6. 0
                        12 August 2022 14: 15
                        Well, yes, yes, yes ... How to give lards of bad loans and gas discounts to the rulers of Ukraine is easy, but how to DEMAND in return our fund to open, this is VVP and Co. could not. Of course, I understand that it is much easier to distribute people's loot to enemies than to work for a result. But then there is nothing to build a good face on a bad game. But in fact, as I said, the tsar and the vertical had to give a damn about Russophobia in the 404th, the main thing was that oil and gas would be regularly pumped to the Germans, and build palaces with yachts from them, instead of industry, army and navy. This is what led to the current war with uncertain prospects.
                      7. -1
                        12 August 2022 15: 06
                        Find at least one palace with Putin's yacht ... just don't screw Navalny's craft.
                      8. 0
                        12 August 2022 16: 07
                        Why the hell should I look for all this? If it is already known for certain that the entire fleet of yachts of the oligarchs is worth more than everything that Russia has built for the Navy. So keep going. Raguli did not understand why and why they are raking now, and you still do not understand how it came to this at all.
                      9. -1
                        12 August 2022 18: 59
                        Clearly one chatter ...
                      10. 0
                        12 August 2022 19: 10
                        Keep throwing hats in the same spirit. Under such glorious odes, more than one empire collapsed, including the USSR. But there are 0 conclusions. Probably, history was poorly taught.
                      11. -1
                        12 August 2022 19: 32
                        Much better than your...
                      12. -1
                        12 August 2022 20: 52
                        "from the USSR and the CPSU ... through the EBN and its government (most members of the CPSU)" Putin and the former member himself, and all his officials, well, except for those who, due to their childhood, did not have time to join. because membership in the CPSU gave such a lot of pies. and many of his officials came straight from the eben. kindersurprise, for example
                      13. -1
                        12 August 2022 22: 22
                        In general, a KGB officer, and even an SVR, by definition, could not be a member of the party ... he did not join because of the goodies. And according to rumors, he didn’t even come out. A smart politician, unlike a stupid one, knows how to use even unpleasant personalities and negotiate with such people, even though he can turn them back.
                      14. -2
                        13 August 2022 08: 56
                        "An employee of the KGB and even the SVR, by definition, could not be a member of the party ... he joined not because of the goodies, by definition, he could not be a member of the party ... he did not enter because of the buns"
                        are you sure? what a patriot, he couldn’t eat, he wanted to fight the enemy, to defend his homeland, the USSR, but it didn’t work out, he had to throw out his membership card, and carry a briefcase for the dog.
                        "KGB officer and even SVR"
                        it was a very big bun in those days
                      15. -1
                        13 August 2022 09: 59
                        Unlike many "patriots", even now, yes. I think that he was and is a patriot of his country. And yes, did you personally see how he handed over? He handed over the certificate of the KGB officer and not the "membership" card. As did many professionals then. For they simply survived from work. And what do you know about Sobchak, besides the fact that the Yeltsin clique dumped on him?
                      16. -1
                        13 August 2022 10: 57
                        "Do you know about Sobchak"
                        I know that this was the first thief among mayors and governors, and he finally went too far. but the faithful minions let him go abroad, and then persuaded the eben to let him back in and forgive him. since then, he has not abandoned his
                      17. -1
                        13 August 2022 11: 22
                        Clearly you don't know anything.
                      18. -1
                        13 August 2022 11: 40
                        "Obviously you don't know anything."
                        Well, share your sacred knowledge.
                      19. -1
                        13 August 2022 13: 12
                        This is what I asked you .... and you give me some stamps in response. I heard this back in the 90s from the EBN clique. The only thing I know for sure if Sobchak became president then Kuchma would have received ears from a donkey and not Crimea and Novorossia.
                      20. 0
                        14 August 2022 11: 20
                        "I heard this back in the 90s from the EBN clique."
                        so Sobchak entered the clique of the eben. and I know for sure that Sobchak came into politics as a poor head of a laboratory in a holey sweater, and after 2 years he had an apartment in Paris and a small painting by Picasso
                      21. 0
                        14 August 2022 12: 01
                        "if Sobchak had become president then Kuchma would have received ears from a donkey"
                        Sobchak personally told you this?
                      22. -1
                        14 August 2022 12: 32
                        And not just me... but the whole country in 1992 in an interview. You can listen to yourself on YouTube where he talks about it.
                2. 0
                  12 August 2022 03: 36
                  Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                  while the USSR collapsed just from falling oil prices

                  On the eve of the collapse of the Soviet economy, which began around 1987, the USSR exported approximately 90 million tons of oil per year in the amount of 10-15 billion dollars, that is, about 30-45 dollars per person. The population of Russia could easily compensate for the shortage from the loss of oil revenues with income from household plots . A kilogram of meat 4 rubles * 50 kg (pig) \u200d XNUMX rubles. ) or 0,4 rubles * 10 bags of potatoes * 40 kg = 160 rubles or 3 rubles for a bouquet of gladioli * 100 bouquets = 300 rubles. Cherries, walnuts, peaches were more profitable. Just fairy tales about the great influence of oil prices are trying to hide the main reason for the collapse of the USSR. And the reason lies in the stupid managerial decisions to carry out reforms. And the main stupidity was that Gorbachev began to break the planned economy before he managed to create market mechanisms for the economy. Moreover, the leadership of the USSR, faced with the facts of the successful conduct of a market economy, sought not to study and implement this experience, but to destroy the really successful managers of the emerging market. In China it was different. An acquaintance working as a shuttle in the PRC for some time hired a Chinese party worker at the level of the township district for $ 1 a day. The Chinese worked honestly and helpfully, but on one of her trips he said to her: "Masha, why do you buy Mongolian shepherds' leather overalls in the PRC. Look at me, I'm in a beautiful trendy wool coat! Let's bring these coats to Russia. I am ready to introduce you to my friend and partner, the organizer of the sewing industry. All you need to do is find money for a container, or rather a carload of these coats, and you will put in your pocket more than all Chinese workers and intermediaries with owners related to the production of these products in the PRC! However, Masha understood that when she tried to transport a wagon with a coat to Moscow, she would most likely be robbed and killed as a warning to other shuttle workers. The most interesting thing is that Masha quit her business and went to work in government agencies. Around 1998, the civil service became more attractive to people with connections than business. Interestingly, at the beginning of the 20th century, the tsarist government and the Russian intelligentsia had access to independent and honest statistical studies on the situation in the country and the economy. For some time now, both the intelligentsia and the government have moved away from honesty and consider they have the right to manipulate the data at their disposal. Putin, when the Russians voted for Stalin as the most famous statesman, announced, contrary to the obvious fact, that the Russians chose Catherine 2. And Russian intellectuals at the last census in Voskresensk, Moscow Region, rigged about 30% of the questionnaires. Although the local administration of Voskresensk, which led the census company, demanded to falsify about 70% of the questionnaires, threatening to declare those who refused to falsify the data enemies of Russia, the state and Putin.
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2022 11: 51
                    And sho ento take?
            2. -1
              12 August 2022 20: 44
              "And what should the commander of the VSK do with us then?"
              and hell (vegetable) knows him, Biden appointed him to this position
        2. +6
          11 August 2022 11: 25
          Why is Putin here? We have thousands of generals and a bunch of services in the Russian Defense Ministry !!!

          Excuse me, but who has actually been at the helm since 2000? Putin has built a vertical, he has closed everything on himself, then he is responsible for what is happening. Well, of course, he cannot know what is happening at each airfield, but for this he appoints the same Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, and, accordingly, if their department cannot cope, then questions to the leadership of the department, as well as to the one who appointed the person to manage the data department.
          1. -3
            11 August 2022 12: 03
            Excuse me, but who has actually been at the helm since 2000?


            And what did we have better before 2000? How, before Putin, a country that sold oil and gas became indebted to everyone and impoverished so that it could not pay%% on loans and declared a default?

            Maybe before Putin we had a lot of planes and other equipment delivered to the troops and made hangars fortified for planes?

            No, before Putin, everything was much WORSE!!! And if not for him, now only the central district of 10 regions would have remained from Russia, and it all looked like the ruins of Syria.

            Aircraft hangars should be handled by the Commander of the Aerospace Forces, he should do everything so that his branch of service is as combat ready and as protected as possible. Or does the vertical of power interfere with him?

            In Syria, after a dozen UAV attacks, someone was smart enough to build hangars, but in Crimea, for some reason, the vertical of power and Putin does not allow the same to be done.
            1. 0
              11 August 2022 12: 40
              Yes Yes. The king is good, the boyars are bad. And it doesn’t matter that the tsar of the boyars himself chose ...
            2. -3
              11 August 2022 13: 33
              And what did we have better before 2000? How, before Putin, a country that sold oil and gas became indebted to everyone and impoverished so that it could not pay%% on loans and declared a default?

              20 years have already passed, and the results are not very impressive.

              In Syria, after a dozen UAV attacks, someone was smart enough to build hangars, but in Crimea, for some reason, the vertical of power and Putin does not allow the same to be done.

              Apparently, this is the current level, “all” of the military-industrial complex should work for Syria alone.
            3. -3
              11 August 2022 17: 14
              Or maybe if it wasn’t for him, we would now be like China the second, or maybe the first economy in the world with our resources and people who are exported by wagons abroad and who move the entire world progress with their brains?
              1. -2
                11 August 2022 21: 36
                Well, well ... with whom? With Zyuganov?
              2. +1
                12 August 2022 22: 57
                Do you think that Russian brains are somehow special? Are their brains better than those of other nations? Or are there more brains in the skull? Are Russians genetically smarter than others?
        3. -1
          12 August 2022 20: 40
          "Mediocrity all around, because in the army in all positions everything is done"
          And not only in the army. That's why Putin is to blame
    2. +3
      11 August 2022 10: 03
      It is bungling, mediocrity and rampant nepotism starting from the very top. Plus, the facts of embezzlement and corruption, which the Investigative Committee regularly reveals (and how many do not reveal! ...).
    3. +13
      11 August 2022 10: 09
      the main reason is the total gouging

      In future history textbooks, in 100 years, this period in history and the form of government will be assessed - an outrageous desire for personal enrichment, luxury, combined with fantasies of military power and world greatness
      1. -2
        11 August 2022 11: 48
        Yeah, never was - and here it is again. Write empty pathos.
      2. 0
        12 August 2022 03: 44
        Quote: Santa Fe
        In future history textbooks, in 100 years,

        Under Alexander 2, there was a 20-year crisis in the economy with a 25-40% drop in production compared to the later years of the reign of Nicholas 1. However, now everyone is shouting about it as the successful reforms of Alexander 2. Perhaps the system of objective assessment was broken in Russia during perestroika occurring events. If this really happened, then in 100 years in books, newspapers, on television and on the Internet there will be one stupidity and fantasy that has nothing to do with reality.
  18. +2
    11 August 2022 09: 29
    If this is a fake (satellite images), then why not refute it with documents? Remember the downed Boeing? The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation almost immediately provided satellite images, images from locators with explanations in graphs and diagrams every minute. Why not do it today after an accident at the airport, while killing two birds with one stone: to prove that they are lying on the other side and to calm the excited public.
    1. +4
      11 August 2022 09: 47
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If this is a fake (satellite images), then why not refute it with documents? Remember the downed Boeing? The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation almost immediately provided satellite images, images from locators with explanations in graphs and diagrams every minute. Why not do it today after an accident at the airport, while killing two birds with one stone: to prove that they are lying on the other side and to calm the excited public.

      The MO is right here: if the damage is less, let the enemy know about it as late as possible. If more - even more so. Look how the dill do: in response to any blow to the infrastructure, they say that everything is destroyed.
      1. -4
        11 August 2022 10: 49
        It's just MO right

        I agree. But it's hard for commentators here to explain it.
  19. +5
    11 August 2022 09: 32
    They hid about the cruiser for more than a day. And when they realized that he would sink, they laid out part of the truth. Until now hide the number of dead sailors. Here, too, everything is unclear. When will we start telling the truth to the people?
    1. -4
      11 August 2022 10: 05
      When all power will be replaced by people with honor and conscience, who want to make Russia a great country, and not line their pockets.
  20. 0
    11 August 2022 09: 38
    In our age of fakes, computer technologies, information warfare, etc., we will find out the truth after the war, and even then not immediately - documents will be declassified after ... eleven years, etc. Another thing is that conclusions from what happened must be drawn immediately in all areas - camouflage of equipment, access to facilities, air defense, the fight against negligence (and this word has been heard too often and is hardly accidental), the compliance of a number of military positions ... You can list for a long time .
    1. -2
      15 August 2022 05: 21
      It is important for the existing authorities to keep the plebiscite in the dark about everything and everything. A poorly informed society becomes stupid, weak-willed, indifferent - indifferent. And as a conclusion, it is easier to manage. Actually, there is a goal. Society should not interfere with "our" golden million to live beautifully. And now they are protecting not the people and the country, but their own "conquests" within the country, their own sources of capital (resources).
      Those who give their own lives on the battlefield are worthy people. They are forced to defend their homeland, with which their families, relatives, friends, and their history are associated. This impulse of people has nothing to do with the fact that THIS system, the state in the face of THIS rotten and deceitful government, is waving in the media. Our people will defend their Fatherland in any way. And it does not depend on "wisdom" at the top. The only question is the amount of blood, victims. It’s just a pity that by destroying the external enemy, we won’t get rid of the internal one, which if, historically, is not worse.
      1. -1
        16 August 2022 04: 03
        Quote: VladMirU
        it is important for the authorities to keep the plebiscite in the dark about everything and everything

        Who, sorry, "keep"? wink

        Quote: VladMirU
        And now they are protecting not the people and the country, but their own "conquests" within the country, their own sources of capital (resources).
        Those who give their own lives on the battlefield are worthy people. They are forced to defend their homeland on their own.

        I love my homeland,
        But I hate the state...

        So what? How many of you are poor request
  21. Two
    0
    11 August 2022 09: 41
    hi Let's wait for the official results of the investigation... If we wait...
  22. -3
    11 August 2022 09: 42
    We had a sewer clog in our house yesterday. The workers of Deza called by the tenants, after conducting an examination, revealed the cause of the blockage and stated that it was some kind of sabotage. Without going into details, they pointed to the involvement in the blockage of either irresponsible citizens, or external forces. We are waiting for confirmation from Kyiv about the continuation of the fight against Rus in the heart of the capital. I hope that the competent authorities and the public will investigate the indicated facts and those responsible for non-compliance with the security regime will be punished.
  23. +6
    11 August 2022 09: 43
    Compare now with the Incirlik air base in Turkey, the hangars, the distance between the hangars, to disable tens and hundreds of missiles there, and for comparison, the airfield in Saki
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 20: 16
      And nothing that is in the photo is generally a thread. Naval aviation training center...?
    2. -1
      13 August 2022 09: 10
      "Compare now with Incirlik Air Base"
      but our paths are covered with sand. and sentry under the fungus
  24. -4
    11 August 2022 09: 44
    How would a special operation go now if there was a professional military rank in the post of Minister of Defense, and not a former minister of the Ministry of Emergency Situations who did not serve in the army?
    1. +7
      11 August 2022 09: 56
      Quote: Atmospheric QUEEN
      How would a special operation go now if there was a professional military rank in the post of Minister of Defense, and not a former minister of the Ministry of Emergency Situations who did not serve in the army?

      Reducing everything to the Minister of Defense is stupid. The chief of the General Staff, his deputies, the commanders-in-chief of the types and the commanders of the branches of the Armed Forces, the commanders of the formations are professional military ranks. Most with combat experience. They are all great, only the minister is bad?
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 13: 15
        So the Minister of Generals says. They are his subordinates.
        1. -2
          11 August 2022 13: 35
          Quote: Alex Justice
          So the Minister of Generals says. They are his subordinates.

          According to the Constitution, the entire senior command staff (starting with brigade commanders) is appointed by the Supreme High Command. The Minister only presents them for appointment. If you look at the biographies of our generals, there are doubts that under another Minister of Defense there were other generals.
          1. MMX
            0
            11 August 2022 18: 18
            Quote: Chronos
            Quote: Alex Justice
            So the Minister of Generals says. They are his subordinates.

            According to the Constitution, the entire senior command staff (starting with brigade commanders) is appointed by the Supreme High Command. The Minister only presents them for appointment. If you look at the biographies of our generals, there are doubts that under another Minister of Defense there were other generals.


            We have to start with the academies.
            Well, the 90s - 00s come around (nepotism and degradation). It was also lucky that the backward ukra was caught ...
      2. -1
        13 August 2022 09: 15
        "Most with combat experience"
        where did they find it? there have been no wars with the army of another state for 77 years. you can’t take skirmishes with bandits for combat experience, and it ended badly there, we still pay tribute. so, only the personal affection and care of Minister O. selects personnel on his own. but worse, so that they don’t encroach on his portfolio
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 10: 10
          Quote: aglet
          "Most with combat experience"
          where did they find it? there have been no wars with the army of another state for 77 years. you can’t take skirmishes with bandits for combat experience, and it ended badly there, we still pay tribute. so, only the personal affection and care of Minister O. selects personnel on his own. but worse, so that they don’t encroach on his portfolio

          Combat experience is what it is, there can be no other. If you look at the biographies of the generals in charge of the SVO, then they smoothly made a career, passing through "hot spots", starting from the late 90s and early 00s. And they made a career under three defense ministers. Under the fourth received the current positions. I do not see among them the favorites of the current minister who came from nowhere. Under another minister, the same deck would be shuffled. We have no other generals.
          1. -1
            13 August 2022 10: 49
            "We don't have any other generals."
            "I don't have hindenburgs for you"
            and that hasn't changed. since the time of Stalin. and the current generals went to hot spots in the ranks of very small ones. when their duty was not the accumulation of experience, but the execution of orders from the command. and these hot spots are the same shootouts with bandits
  25. +4
    11 August 2022 09: 45
    I found this airfield on satellite images. Matches the picture posted. And the place is the same. It is searched in the same Google maps calmly.
    1. +1
      11 August 2022 10: 32
      it’s not the airfield that needs to be compared, but the planes standing on it, you need a photo of these planes before
      1. +3
        11 August 2022 14: 42
        The day before the incident. There is a picture:
        1. -3
          11 August 2022 15: 06
          Is this from an Air Force article?
        2. -3
          11 August 2022 22: 38
          yes, and some believe in some kind of mortars - there are holes from half-ton warheads at least once all the buildings evaporated, drg-mortars-missiles hit and everything-100 pounds at least-NATO or mattresses
  26. -1
    11 August 2022 09: 46
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: It's not for me
    But if these are rocket arrivals.

    Possibly DRG with mortars. They drove up, fired back, and left. While the first mine is falling, about five are already in the air. The mortars were thrown into the sea.
    It may well be so. hi

    I also thought about it, especially since there are Polish silent 60-mm mortars.
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 09: 10
      And funnels of 5-8 meters, is it from 60 mm? Or maybe from the detonation of ammunition lying on the ground? Almost perfectly round funnels in all cases of the same size. Well, this can probably be by chance, the same ammunition in the same quantity and the same geometry lay on the ground in different places. This happens once in a million in a million years.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 12: 48
        It was assumed before the appearance of high-resolution images, then the funnels were not known.
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 13: 10
          Understood thanks!
  27. +7
    11 August 2022 09: 52
    And what about people? It seems that at the airfield, near the hangars with ammunition, detonation, flying fragments, there was no one at all. Such two huge explosions, cars completely burned out within half a kilometer of the explosions, and only one person died.
    1. +9
      11 August 2022 10: 20
      Indeed, the right question. I think that they reported on civilians, but they haven’t talked about the losses of military personnel for a long time.
  28. Eug
    +1
    11 August 2022 09: 55
    I think that regardless of the identified cause, the punishment should be very severe, perhaps even with some "bust" - as they say, for edification ... the main thing is that the true causes and perpetrators of the explosion be identified, and those who fell under a punishing hand ... I understand why rumors called many condemnations in Stalin's time "vaccinations against irresponsibility."
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 10: 01
      the punishment should be very strict, perhaps even with some "bust" - as they say, as a warning

      Tribunal a sergeant and a couple of conscripts, no one will look for them anyway
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 10: 46
        Remembering the story of the trial of the captain and sailor of the nuclear submarine Nerpa, there is no doubt about what you said.
  29. +1
    11 August 2022 09: 58
    Quote: Carib
    I do not confirm, but perhaps this is a journalistic duck with photo manipulation of photographs. They are such inventors. The originals of the photos should be looked at by specialists, but who will give them to strangers, and they will lie to their own ...

    LIE LESS! LIE LESS! LIE LESS!
    It is useless to appeal to honor and conscience. And if to reason... The thousand-year-old "Western" civilization is built on a lie. Made up of lies. Separate "hamlets" do not count. Will you sit down to play cards with cheaters? Not? And you are trying to distort the inveterate liars ... With a predictable result.
  30. -8
    11 August 2022 09: 59
    I wonder if there is a MO certificate that the pictures are not fake
    The article is not signed - this is a plus, but IMHO, it can help little.

    I wonder what the Ministry of Defense and politicians will say
    have to wait
    1. +5
      11 August 2022 10: 36
      What is the official answer about what happened in Berdyansk? That's right, he doesn't exist. But "something" happened.
      1. -2
        11 August 2022 16: 29
        So there it may be true.
        Not giving information, under Z conditions, is still better and more honest than lying (unless it’s an operation to misinform the enemy)
  31. -4
    11 August 2022 09: 59
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    How is that?! Shame and shame.
    I don’t understand, well, it’s obvious that if the blow was effective, then the West will demonstrate it with satellite images, why was it nonsense that the equipment was not damaged ?!

    those. for example, you know that the West can show pictures and are deliberately talking nonsense.
    Do not make me laugh.
    1. +1
      11 August 2022 10: 29
      Everyone will see your nonsense, and only a certain part of the Western pictures, the rest will remain in the dark. This is probably the idea
  32. 0
    11 August 2022 10: 03
    hmm, you have to tell the truth, it was clear the stump of the Americans and other pictures will be published! I just don't see the point in hiding it! even if there was an error during such explosions, the stump is clear that something will suffer
  33. +7
    11 August 2022 10: 13
    Lies, our everything!!! - Do they think that everyone passed the EG??!!
  34. +2
    11 August 2022 10: 23
    Here is a small comparison
  35. +1
    11 August 2022 10: 29
    Here is a satellite image from Yandex Maps

    As you can see, some light fragments lay in the presented part of the airfield before, only in a different "order" (highlighted). At the same time, the main parking lot is in another part, below in the photo. If you really strike, then there.
    So damn it looks like another fake from the "masters of the information war" ...
    1. -2
      11 August 2022 10: 45
      what is the date of this picture?
      1. Urs
        -8
        11 August 2022 11: 43
        Question to the tune. And I’ll add where are the coordinates and date of the filming location belay
        Nastya will answer. It doesn’t matter anymore, the main thing is to raise a wave of feces in the direction of the Moscow Region, and to excite the grannies on the bench at the entrance, however, they dozed off. This is a normal system of "stuffing" and "fakes" and lies in Russian.
    2. +1
      11 August 2022 12: 41
      At the same time, the main parking lot is in another part, below in the photo. If you really strike, then there.


      Hello, Alexey.
      Pay attention to the hangar, in the upper left corner, in the picture you provided. He is gone now. If this is an exploded ammunition depot, then it is quite reasonable to assume that parking serviceable equipment near it is impractical.
    3. 0
      12 August 2022 09: 19
      Snapshot of the 21st year, right? You could look at google maps, it's newer there. And the conclusions would be very different. There, the parking lot is generally empty, and there are more planes in the caponiers. "Debris" lies only around one caponier, it looks like some kind of dismantled hangar, or a canopy over the caponier. In another caponier lies something that most of all resembles hanging tanks.
  36. -1
    11 August 2022 10: 32
    As long as the carelessness of officials at all levels is not punished in the most severe way, and not by promotion or simply dismissal, we will not put things in order. But a prison with a real term, yes.
  37. -4
    11 August 2022 10: 38
    Quote: Chronos
    Quote: rotmistr60
    If this is a fake (satellite images), then why not refute it with documents? Remember the downed Boeing? The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation almost immediately provided satellite images, images from locators with explanations in graphs and diagrams every minute. Why not do it today after an accident at the airport, while killing two birds with one stone: to prove that they are lying on the other side and to calm the excited public.

    The MO is right here: if the damage is less, let the enemy know about it as late as possible. If more - even more so. Look how the dill do: in response to any blow to the infrastructure, they say that everything is destroyed.

    The enemy already knows everything. But we are not. With such statements, the MO only gives reason to doubt any information.
    1. Urs
      -5
      11 August 2022 11: 50
      Wait a minute, who is "we"?
      "The enemy already knows everything" oops, but how do you know this. And why do you think that the Ministry of Defense is obliged to report all incidents in his department to "YOU". belay
      There is off information for residents and the population, this is quite enough.
      And for listeners like you with the established opinion "the government always lies to us", I just sympathize, watch YouTube bully there is always "truth" filtered for you according to the CIA manual. bully
  38. -6
    11 August 2022 10: 41
    Where is the response to the decision-making centers with hyper-super-duper-missiles penetrating a hundred meters deep into the cliff?
    1. +4
      11 August 2022 11: 11
      Quote: MRA navigator
      Where is the response to the decision-making centers with hyper-super-duper-missiles penetrating a hundred meters deep into the cliff?

      Don't you understand yet? What to answer? IT DID EXPLODED! request. Is it really convenient? wassat
  39. 0
    11 August 2022 11: 01
    I think it's sabotage.
  40. -1
    11 August 2022 11: 07
    Well, it's definitely not rockets. Otherwise, at least some work of air defense and warning systems would be heard.
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 09: 21
      If they had not missed, which could also be simply out of negligence. Or there are windows between work, and if there are such windows, NATO sees them in real time all the time. Funnels are most like a missile attack.
  41. GNM
    -6
    11 August 2022 11: 09
    There are fighting, respectively, there are losses.
    Name at least one military conflict where the leadership regularly and in detail reports to its own population about its losses. If there is such a thing, it is definitely inadequate.
    Now for the plausible fakes. Have you seen the footage from Buchi? For the West, there is nothing more convincing than them. On the other hand, the pre-trial detention center ripped apart by the Hymers does not convince anyone. The shelling of the ZNPP for the west is being carried out from our side.
    Who needs it, they will figure out how many aircraft are damaged and cannot be restored, by the way, this also takes time.
    Whoever needs it will also figure out who, why placed the PSU in the danger zone, and how it happened that it detonated.
    That's when they figure it out, then we'll get acquainted with the results.
    I can’t stand it when they climb on my arm during work, I don’t allow this from my side to interfere with others. The chirping of onlookers always causes an unhealthy atmosphere.
    1. +11
      11 August 2022 11: 27
      Eco you about onlookers pushed. And the mothers, wives, children of those soldiers and officers who participate in the database, are also onlookers squealing? Are you taking on too much?
      Who needs to be sorted out ... Well, well .. I see the tragedy at the Nerpa has been sorted out. As in general, with Kursk and with the Tu-154 near Sochi. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, Moscow is also on fire and cotton. Here I sleep and see how the generals deal with themselves. But in fact, all this hype about detonations and "lose" is all an attempt to cover their asses and nothing else.
      1. GNM
        -8
        11 August 2022 11: 43
        And how will the panic of all-propellers help mothers and wives? How will it comfort them? When and to whom did the collective hysteria help?
        Or maybe it’s better to cheer them up with good news about successes, which, by the way, are much more than failures.
        1. +2
          11 August 2022 12: 25
          What panic all-propalshchikov? Just a requirement to tell the truth and not to hush up problems and jambs. With the Tu-154m, MILITARY, they fell silent, lowered on the brakes. Responsible generals are all with their own. Well, get it, sign another state of emergency. Impunity breeds chaos. Until the real culprits are held accountable, this will continue over and over again. And this is again the death of people. So answer me, how does a call to responsibility help to avoid the death of people in the future?
  42. +3
    11 August 2022 11: 28
    I draw the attention of everyone that the first photo is not a place where the equipment stands, but, it seems, the CZT. The first two places at the CZT seemed to be on fire. There is no damaged, let alone burnt, equipment at the CZT. The second photo, the aero zone, is worse here, but the impact is not from bombs or missiles, but it looks like low-power charges (sabotage), secondary detonation, and then a fire. The main explosions occurred at the sites for storing and equipping ammunition, and not in caponiers with equipment. They probably mined what was closer and looked impressive, for example, air bombs. The ae zone did not seem to be guarded, or guarded by gouges (the sentry was sleeping on the embankment or wing), but definitely not according to the wartime version. Conclusion: sabotage multiplied by gouging. I can explain the funnels, but it will take a lot of time, I won’t.
  43. -13
    11 August 2022 11: 29
    This photo is a crazy photomontage.
    1. -2
      11 August 2022 19: 44
      Not exactly editing, but in many ways. The funnels are clearly tuff, when blown up, the eversion of the PAG plates of the airfield pavement would be visible, there is no eversion, just installation, and the funnels and soil are drawn. Planes do not burn like that and in the early pictures they were not there, it seems they were inserted by a shop. Since this is a training base, there were no AE zones, only one near the CZT, the equipment was on the main taxiway and the CZT; for this, the commander would turn the fur inward). There are many other nonsense. I will not write further, let navigator777 explain, he is from TsIPSO, he knows everything.
  44. +2
    11 August 2022 11: 29
    Quote: Santa Fe

    If you don’t tryndet about it and don’t focus on it, everything will be forgotten in two days

    that's for sure: one su30 is $ 50 million. All together, all together, under a quarter of a billion.
    this is a third of the cruiser M.
    1. -4
      11 August 2022 11: 57
      this is the opening hours of the pipeline
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 13: 27
        Yes, but two years of operation of the aircraft factory (((
        1. -5
          11 August 2022 13: 32
          Why would 2 years? factories can produce a lot if MO orders and pays
          1. -3
            11 August 2022 13: 50
            Lots of?
            “In 2009, Sukhoi entered into an agreement with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of 48 Su-35S fighters, the delivery time being 2015 such fighters were to be delivered to the Russian Air Force by the end of 48.
            In December 2015, a second contract was signed for the supply of 50 units to the Russian Aerospace Forces, until 2020. "
            More than 10 pcs. never comes out in a year...
            Only now it is also necessary to fully rivet the CD, and UAVs and communications, and much more. But everything is very sad with semiconductors, so I dare to believe that it will be difficult to reach this pace.
            1. -2
              11 August 2022 14: 33
              I’m saying that how many MO will order, would order 200 and 200 would do
              1. -3
                11 August 2022 14: 42
                200 would have been made in 20 years. MO orders the quantity, the plant names the terms for which the order will be mastered. There is no other factory that can do faster/more on a competitive basis.
                We know the number and terms. What other questions?
                1. -1
                  11 August 2022 15: 09
                  no, it’s not like that, they order not from the capacity of the plant, but from the need and money, the factories are constantly crying that there are no export orders and the capacity is idle, and the Moscow Region orders little
                  1. -4
                    11 August 2022 15: 13
                    Yes, that's exactly how it is. The capacities were idle when the MO did not order anything at all. But why stretch the supply for 5 years, if the capacities allow it to be done in a year, I don’t understand at all. Do they work there for half a shift of 1,5 turners or what? It doesn't happen. Downtime of equipment is very expensive. There is an order, the work goes to its fullest. The order was handed over, the customer is satisfied, he makes a new order. This is how it works and nothing else.
                    1. -1
                      11 August 2022 15: 23
                      so you don't understand at all! the order is stretched for several years. the budget of the Moscow Region is also stretched, it is impossible to rivet in 1 year and then stand idle without an order, before that there was a lot of export, now the plant produces not only aircraft, conversion, but if there is martial law, then they will earn in 3 shifts, see how much the plant can produce in the same wiki, from 100 aircraft per year, other information is closed
                      1. 0
                        11 August 2022 15: 42
                        Well, yes, I work in production, and I don’t understand anything)))
                        Yes, and the plant can produce 100 a year, but on condition that all components are in stock. But this is a big problem. With engines, with microelectronics, with devices. So, it is very far from the hypothetical figure of 100 per year. Divide by 10 and that's how it came out. Now everything is much more complicated, for the reasons already stated. Add to this closed access to high-tech equipment, i.e. the impossibility of replacing and repairing the existing machine park, then in general everything is somehow vague in the future ...
                      2. -2
                        12 August 2022 07: 20
                        engines and devices are all domestic
                    2. +1
                      12 August 2022 03: 59
                      Quote: Zoer
                      Do they work there for half a shift of 1,5 turners or what?

                      At MPO named after Rumyantsev, there is only one specialist in the design of technological equipment for machine tools. He considers pneumatics, and designs dirt traps (protection of guides and lead screws), and develops all repair units and parts of machine tools that fell under sanctions. In the West, they expected that Russia, due to the lack of sanction components, would begin to fall apart in June 2022. But in reality, one person broke all the plans of the SBU, CIA, BND for the collapse of three production sites of the Moscow aviation industry. Because of this, Zelensky has to postpone the counteroffensive until the fall. Although managers are effective over the past year, more than half of the machine operators were able to fire more than half of the machine operators from the production site in the Tushino region.
  45. +6
    11 August 2022 11: 33
    A couple of days ago, I was severely downvoted here, for doubting the official information from our Ministry of Defense that was not confirmed by the photo and video. Now prove to me that I have to believe them. They hang tough noodles on our ears, who wants to remain a burdock and believe any nonsense from the Ministry of Defense, this is his business.
    1. -4
      11 August 2022 11: 55
      no one is forced to believe, and the West will not believe in any scenario
    2. +1
      11 August 2022 12: 22
      I don’t remember at all that at least once the pure truth was told, without hushing up.
    3. Urs
      0
      11 August 2022 12: 56
      An interesting conclusion, nonsense from the Moscow Region is bad, but noodles from an unknown American private company are the crystal truth bully I congratulate you on critical analytical thinking, everything is in order sad
      Where is the indication of the shooting location (upper left corner of any satellite photo), coordinates where is the date and time of the image request and in general why do you think that this place is what they are talking about and not the Syrian base bombed by the American K.R. No. .
      Question more than answers negative
  46. Urs
    -6
    11 August 2022 11: 36
    There are a lot of questions about the article and the alleged "facts".
    Photos without recording equipment markings and without indicating the time and date, as well as the coordinates of the shooting location. This information is required on any pictures of automatic cameras, this is necessary for classifying and decoding pictures. Such cameras shoot 30 frames per minute.
    The output of infa is completely unreliable, since it does not have a single marker to check for reliability.
    The second conclusion is that we don’t know what really happened on the spot, since the investigation is ongoing. All reliable information can only be obtained from the investigation, everything else is fiction and speculation, and therefore just chatter bully
  47. 0
    11 August 2022 11: 38
    Lots of speculation and assumptions. Well, a lot. The question simply shows through in the mass of information: where is our "answer" and when at last? And this question is inherently incorrect. The very concept of "response" implies a response from the side of the defenders, as it were, but not from the side of the demilitarizing units) .. If the measures are preventive, even more so .. If the goals of the NWO are adjusted, then another matter ...
    Any military operation is planned well in advance. Goals are set. Enemy capabilities are assessed. Own funds are assessed to achieve the set goals ... A decision is made. When setting operational tasks, no assumptions are made in terms of gouging, negligence and other outrages. These "outrages" are moving from the category of negligence and all kinds of "violations" into the category of crimes. Or should they pass.
    Well, intelligence. Correction of any plans in the course of hostilities is carried out on the basis of a comprehensive analysis of intelligence data. In Ukraine, the opportunities for our intelligence are simply purely historically amazing,)..
  48. +3
    11 August 2022 11: 41
    The incident must be investigated, and if the Ukrainian attack is true, regardless of its nature, negligence must be severely punished.
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 11: 50
      Well .. it seems to me that an incident is, for example, when the soldiers didn’t share something and just quarreled) ... And negligence in the army .... This happens where the commander allows it ... when there is no control ...
      1. +1
        11 August 2022 11: 56
        Call it what you want. If it was a missile attack. Where was the missile defense? This is an important base. If it was sabotage, then where are the guards, the bodyguard? If it was internal negligence, were they drunk or at parties? The commander and all those involved must be brought before a military court. Stalinist tactics will have to be resorted to in order to restore discipline and avoid relaxation and incompetence. It will be necessary to start executions.
        1. -1
          12 August 2022 10: 47
          Can anyone intercept our Iskanders? As far as I know no! And who said that the United States does not have such. If the Iskander is reduced in size, added speed and covered with a radiation-absorbing coating, here is the result for you. Most likely the latest generation Himars missiles. The old ones cannot intercept everything, they intercept 50 to 50.
    2. -1
      12 August 2022 04: 10
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      negligence should be severely punished.

      The cause of the incident must be uncovered and measures taken to prevent its recurrence. In the USA, when a worker is hired for complex, for example, power equipment such as a boiler room, they are always interested in what accidents the candidate took part in. The more accidents a candidate has been in, the more likely it is that he will be hired and given higher pay. By the way, now Russia has all of Europe, the USA and Japan as enemies at the same time. With Stalin, the United States and Great Britain were allies. However, despite Putin’s lack of mass repressions, the front line in Ukraine after six months of the war in 2022 passes much more west than after six months of the war in 1941. Stalin probably shot more of his fellow citizens in six months in 1941 than Ukrainians could kill in six months in 2022 ..
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 23: 49
        He forgets one small detail, namely that Germany attacked the Soviet Union in violation of the pact, and now Russia has launched a military operation in Ukraine. Do you expect me to start by retreating east?
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 16: 45
          Quote from Carlos Sala
          He forgets one little detail

          The fact that Putin, unlike Stalin, was the first to deliver a preemptive strike speaks of Putin's intelligence and Stalin's stupidity. The non-aggression pact with Germany is considered by many to be Stalin's mistake. I. Ehrenburg spoke very figuratively about this within the framework of censorship. Stalin supplied too many resources to Germany, exaggerating the opportunity to develop industry using German technology, did not support republican Spain enough. Putin avoided such mistakes. The DPR and LPR successfully withstood 8 years of Ukrainian aggression thanks to Russia's help. Russia did not fall for the increase in gas prices at the end of 2021. Putin positions himself as an anti-communist and anti-Stalinist. In similar conditions, he really chooses alternative solutions to Stalin's.
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 20: 52
            I do not question Putin's leadership. There is no leading or statesman of his level in the West, and there is unanimity in this regard in political circles, specialists, historians, and so on. His abilities are beyond doubt, as he strengthened Russia and, under his mandate, restored positions and stopped the expansion of NATO. He will be remembered among the great leaders of Russia. But having said this, it is true that Stalin, in spite of his undoubted mistakes, restored discipline and made the Red Army an army that could easily reach Portugal and Ireland. And that he brought Russia to the pinnacle of its power, and this is indisputable. So, and for you to understand me, in addition to the exceptional leadership of V. Putin, I see that it is necessary to restore or strengthen discipline in certain parts of the army, as well as monitor the fifth column, which performs visible maneuvers such as allowing Zelensky to take out grain or paralysis to look the other way while the US and NATO nurture Ukraine's arsenals when it would be very easy to solve this problem by supplying sensitive offensive weapons to Iran, North Korea or Venezuela, even to Cuba and etc.
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 22: 31
              Quote from Carlos Sala
              I see that it is necessary to restore or strengthen discipline in individual parts of the army

              So far, Putin has effectively neutralized his strong and dangerous political opponents with his own methods. The bandit field in the North Caucasus is vegetating. Nothing is heard about the organizer of slanderous fakes about the actions of the security forces in Chechnya, the secretary of Dzhokhar Dudayev, Ms. Aset. And Anna Politkovskaya, Mrs. Aset's stenographer, is dead (she also worked part-time from her main position at Novaya Gazeta, where she placed advertisements from the terrorist underground). Novodvorskaya also called for the use of Stalin-Pinochet methods in her politics, but this did not prevent her from acting on the side of the SBU and APU. Deploying weapons in Cuba and North Korea is a waste of resources. In the Yeltsin era, the Cam Ranh base was sold out for parties in local cafes. The existence of Russia as an independent and full-fledged state is determined by the ability of the people to master modern technologies.
  49. +1
    11 August 2022 11: 47
    Hmm! It was high time to remove Konashenkov. I'll explain with an example. Not so long ago, a TU-154 flew from Sochi to Syria and crashed. Just a couple of days later, I went to the blog of Denis Okan, a hereditary civil aviation pilot, who writes very competently about security issues in civil aviation. And he suggested that it was the pilots' mistake when the flaps were removed instead of the landing gear. This version was almost instantly put forward by his father, who retired as the commander of the TU-154. Yes, and Denis himself managed to fly as a commander of the TU-154, so he agreed with his father's version. A few days later they raised the wing with the flaps retracted, and the landing gear, which, it seems, was not removed and flew off instantly. Denis explained this error, which had already taken place in his father's crew, as a mistake in ergonomics, since these toggle switches in the TU-154 are located nearby. So, then Konashenkov said that there was no fault of the crew. I then wrote in my comment on this topic that it was a stupid statement. It would be better if he said nothing at all than to lie in a situation that is so easily controlled. I'm not saying that you should always tell the truth. I'm talking about how to lie, too, must be able to. Konashenkov does not know how to do this.
    1. Urs
      -3
      11 August 2022 12: 02
      Well, I’ll correct it, however. You are now entering the zone of application of the article on slander and discredit. Kanashenko is the official representative of the Moscow Region and he cannot “lie” in principle.
      But some blogger can lie completely because he doesn’t answer to anyone for his words. And if you take the words of a “blogger” at face value, which you haven’t seen in your eyes and don’t even know if he is a signatory below, or is it a fake “blog ". That is your big problem. Cultivate critical thinking in yourself, it will help you see the truth.
      1. +4
        11 August 2022 12: 11
        So the corrector showed up. Do you have anything to say about what I said? If not, then to the garden, please, along with your problems.
        1. Urs
          -5
          11 August 2022 12: 27
          I have no problems wink
          And in fact, I voiced my own objection to what you said.
          Your entire post is called into question, this is enough to send you for a walk in the garden. bully
          1. -2
            11 August 2022 12: 38
            Quote: Urs
            I have no problems

            What can I say? Lucky.
            Quote: Urs
            And in fact, I voiced my own objection to what you said.

            Wonderful. hi
    2. -3
      11 August 2022 12: 16
      What does Konashenkov have to do with it? laughing
      1. +1
        11 August 2022 15: 35
        Konashenkov is the only source of "reliable" information. The rest of the information of "neotkonashenkov" is a fake and a lie. Yes. Now information can be obtained from various sources for no reason, in order to then analyze it, you just need to listen to the "correct" information from the Moscow Region and believe in it. It is now like religion - belief in information from the "correct" source. Religion, yes. Do not believe your eyes, because this is a computer simulation, processing, that is, a fake, but believe your ears, where it flows from the "correct" source.
        PS: they finally stopped calling explosions "pops", otherwise this word has recently begun to cause moral "heartburn" for all normal people and lead to unhealthy thoughts about the stupidity of those who publish such things ....
    3. 0
      13 August 2022 16: 51
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Not so long ago, a TU-154 flew from Sochi to Syria and crashed.

      A friend of mine flew this plane several flights before the accident. During the flight, he had a suspicion that the plane was living out its resource and perhaps it would no longer reach its destination. Apparently, Konashenko voiced the promise of his leadership that pilots flying old technology would not be blamed for their willingness to take risks.
  50. -7
    11 August 2022 11: 53
    Interesting ekmperdnoe statement. You go out to the people and begin to draw conclusions from a foreign photograph, ALLEGEDLY representing the airfield in Novo-Fyodorovka, and why not, allegedly Sheremetyevo-2. And immediately the commentators picked up and drew parallels. You, my friend, should not rush to conclusions, but first get acquainted with the alleged materials.
  51. +2
    11 August 2022 11: 55
    1. The cause is negligence and violation of TB. Very likely. The likelihood of deviation from the normal process will increase with increasing repetitions, cycles, or activity of the process itself.
    Number of operations, actions with weapons, explosives, equipment, etc. has grown. So it will explode somewhere.
    2 Reason for enemy attack. The probability is high. Sabotage is unlikely, since after the real sabotage in Sevastopol on Navy Day, measures were taken and the sleeper cells became quiet. Firing missiles during electronic warfare suppression of air defense, possibly. And this is a lesson for us.
    The point is to understand the reason and work out countermeasures, predict the future course and take proactive measures.
    I'm sure the specialists will work there.
    1. -2
      11 August 2022 12: 19
      Surely the satellite took the picture a few hours before and immediately after, doesn’t it give you any ideas? laughing
    2. 0
      12 August 2022 11: 17
      The problem is that we get hit, and then we try to correct the situation by strengthening this and that. Instead of calculating possible threats and preparing in advance to stop them. We are one step behind.
  52. +6
    11 August 2022 12: 08
    Here's a more general before and after from PlanetLabs. They write that the first image was taken by the Planetlabs satellite on August 9 before the explosions, and the second image from August 10, respectively, after them.

  53. +1
    11 August 2022 12: 12
    Quote: "...the events in Novofedorovka require a thorough investigation." End of quote.
    Better not say!
  54. +3
    11 August 2022 12: 14
    So they are saboteurs. I just don’t understand why tweet about “the equipment was not damaged” if everyone understands perfectly well that there will be before and after pictures. Why do you need to lie? It would be nice if there was a chance that it wouldn’t open. This is no longer an irritation. This only causes bewilderment.
  55. 0
    11 August 2022 12: 20
    Quote: krops777

    Drawing something like this in Photoshop is a piece of cake,


    It’s a piece of cake to recognize such Photoshop at the forensic level, especially if there are pictures from different satellites, angles and spectra
    1. -1
      11 August 2022 13: 35
      Anything is more complicated than blurting out “the technique is intact.” Well, our MO could not have photoshopped it, but added photos and videos with whole equipment to the trend. Just don't talk about top secrets. From the satellite and the Hokai, everything has been considered a long time ago.
  56. CYM
    0
    11 August 2022 13: 08
    Quote: puzoter
    It’s still surprising that ammunition depots are located in close proximity to aircraft.
    There is nothing surprising in finding standard ammunition (several FABs, boxes with NARs and shells for aircraft cannons) for emergency suspension/loading in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft parking lot. Here, additional ammunition and special ammunition are stored away from the aircraft. Another surprising thing is why the planes (most of them) are not in shelters (arched shelter type 2A/13)
    In Khmeimim it was still possible to understand that the airfield was new and they decided not to bother with the construction of shelters against the barmaleys; everyone remembers what happened next. sad And here, the old Soviet military airfield, where did the arched shelters (caponiers) go? And there are also strange things in the photographs, the surviving planes are without covers and the taxiing from the bunded aircraft stands looks very neglected. No.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 18: 45
      There were never arched shelters there... This is NITKA - a training center for naval aviation. And the airfield itself is very old. There are only caponiers - and not everywhere, but only in one parking lot.
    2. 0
      12 August 2022 00: 12
      This airfield has not been used as a combat airfield since Soviet times, but only as a training airfield for deck pilots.
      Therefore, the security criteria were different and in general the entire infrastructure there was very old.
      Under Ukraine, everything fell into disrepair because only sporadically they agreed on the use of NITKi.
  57. +4
    11 August 2022 13: 40
    Yes, it’s already clear that we have people in the Moscow Region who lie (only in grossly obscene language). Power is in the truth? it means weaklings who “have no losses” and “everything is going according to plan”; and they are no different from the Ukrainians who tend to talk about out-of-place and out-of-place victories, from the same science fiction writer Arestovich... Disgraceful.
    And they are also quite deprived of intelligence when they think that the enemy will not post photos from the satellite if they are successful.
    PS For fans of photo fakes - how to expose them? They take reporters from the official channels of the Moscow Region and any other news channels and go with them hand in hand to the airfield so that they can show entire planes live.
    But the trouble is that there is very little left there, nothing to show for a beautiful jingoistic picture.
    PPS Well, an honest and smart general will show what was destroyed and draw conclusions. After all, if publicity cannot be avoided, be the first to say so.
  58. -1
    11 August 2022 13: 43
    Unfortunately, our losses are 18-20 aircraft...
    Those in the photo are intact, cut by fragments.
    Including at least 6-7 Su-30SM lost.
    All infrastructure and arsenals with ammunition.
    Very similar to a missile attack.

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  59. -9
    11 August 2022 14: 51
    Sorry everyone, but these pictures are crap. More precisely, a photoshop, the authors of which burned themselves out on the details.
    I won’t list all the inconsistencies, including how planes burn. Let's just take this "photo".

    Funnels, such funnels. You just need to know at least a rough idea of ​​the coverage of parking lots and taxiways.
    Holes were drawn, soil was also thrown out, but they forgot about the fact that there must inevitably be torn slabs.
    1. -1
      11 August 2022 15: 07
      Are the videos with explosions also crap?
    2. +9
      11 August 2022 18: 11
      Even if we assume that these pictures are fake, I think it’s actually even worse.
      Can you imagine that windows and doors in houses within a radius of kilometers were blown out? And dozens of cars were burned two kilometers from the epicenter of the explosion?
      And the planes made of aluminum and magnesium alloys stood tens/hundreds of meters from the places where everything exploded.
      Well, how could they not be affected? There, the scattering of fragments and the temperature were wild.
      This base no longer exists.
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 18: 48
        It’s about three kilometers from the site of the explosion to these parking lots... And yes, caponiers are precisely designed to protect against shrapnel. And yes, this is not a base. This is NITKA - an educational and training center.
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 00: 16
          How can these caponiers protect equipment from burning fragments falling from above when it is clear that all the planes are in full view?
          Arched shelters - yes. It's a different matter.
          But judging by the craters from the explosions, the missile strike could have come exactly there.
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 12: 04
            Fragments of what? The video shows the most common ground-based high-explosive explosions. There is no scattering of ammunition or burning fragments observed.
            Moreover, despite the external effect, the explosions are not the most powerful. And for equipment in embankment shelters they are nothing.
      2. +1
        11 August 2022 19: 56
        Do you have any idea how ammunition storage is organized? Directly near the planes/helicopters, only the first ammunition, everything else is at a considerable distance from the parking lots. The fact that civilian objects were damaged is a problem of civilian objects. It’s a no-brainer to build directly next to weapons depots.
        1. +1
          12 August 2022 00: 23
          This is a very old airfield and all its infrastructure too. And civilian facilities were also built a long time ago.
          The most important thing is that in fact it was used NOT FOR PURPOSE!!!
          This is a carrier-based aviation training base for training naval pilots with the accompanying infrastructure intended only for this.
          That’s why everything there is not like at other airfields, and since 2014 the combat unit has been driven there altogether. But the infrastructure remained the same.
          Many buildings are still pre-war.
          1. +1
            12 August 2022 09: 36
            Let's not talk about what you don't understand. This “old” airfield has gone through more than one reconstruction, especially during Soviet times. And all safety requirements are met there, both for the protection of equipment and for the placement of dangerous objects. There is more than one such “old” airfield in my biography.
            In this case, at the mentioned airfield, the distance from the fuel and lubricants warehouse to the nearest parking lot (not in use, by the way) is at least 300 meters.
            I did not find the RAV warehouse, which is quite normal, but there is no reason to doubt that it is located with all the requirements. In addition, these warehouses at the airfield are not that large, with enough ammunition for 1-2 flights, essentially storage facilities to smooth out supply disruptions from the main warehouses. And this is if it is a combat regiment.
            Well, and most importantly, I previously made quite reasonable comments on the “photo”. There are no clear objections yet.
    3. +1
      12 August 2022 11: 54
      Well, this is Kanashenkov style, everything was drawn except for the scattered slabs. It’s fine for RT or for Shapiro.

      First, you can see scattered slabs. Those that are not covered with soil and those that do not stand at an angle to the observer. Secondly, if the photos were fake, with inept (inaccurate, incomplete drawing), now there would be screams all over the Internet with a pixel-by-pixel display of the linden itself in the style of “everything”. But there is no linden tree, the photos are genuine. With such an explosion, the slabs are not torn out, they are crushed and scattered over a fairly large area around the epicenter.
  60. -3
    11 August 2022 15: 56
    The planes are not damaged?! Treplogans!
  61. -2
    11 August 2022 17: 29
    What does “if this is an airfield in Saki” mean? It is not so difficult to find this airfield on the map and make sure that it is really it.
    Explosion craters, burnt-out planes... It looks like a mortar attack.
  62. -4
    11 August 2022 17: 44
    The planes were in caponiers. They simply couldn’t be destroyed so selectively by 2-3 explosions, that’s what caponiers exist for.. What a bunch of bullshit
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  64. kig
    -2
    11 August 2022 18: 26
    Everything is extremely simple. Since the Ministry of Defense said “fire,” it means that what Planet is showing, and we are discussing, is slander and discredit.
  65. -1
    11 August 2022 18: 42
    These photos are most likely photoshopped. For comparison, you can look at old photos in the same Yandex maps. A missile strike is extremely unlikely - there are simply no missiles capable of operating at such a distance. Sabotage? Possible, but then how can the planes dispersed in the caponiers suffer? And the artillery weapons depot (where it actually exploded) is located in a completely different direction and quite far away. (Again, it is bunded and has a recessed structure.)
    DRG with mortars? In broad daylight? And no one saw anything? It’s impossible to get to the airfield... there are lakes on both sides. The only road along the dam - everything is in full view. This is my home airfield. So IMHO, of course, but again our own razvizdyvanie replaces the best saboteurs.
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 00: 25
      How come there are no missiles? The same ones that Ukraine asked the States to hit 300 km.
      Surely they already exist.
      When shooting from Ochakov, they are easily taken out.
    2. 0
      12 August 2022 08: 37
      From Ochakov to the airfield 200 km, Ukrov has such missiles
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 13: 35
        I also think that they shot from there and that’s how it happened.
        The question is different: how and with what did they euthanize the air defense on the peninsula?
        Perhaps evil fate gave the minimum distance and maximum speed of the missiles.
        We just didn't have time to react.
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  67. 0
    11 August 2022 19: 17
    Definitely sabotage. In Kursk they stopped it a little earlier, showing vigilance, but here they failed. Relaxed - sea, sun, beaches, girls...
  68. -1
    11 August 2022 21: 49
    fired rockets
  69. CYM
    0
    11 August 2022 22: 26
    Quote: Taoist
    How can planes dispersed in caponiers suffer?
    This is just understandable.
    The photo shows that at some point the roofing felts of the NARs and the dipole reflectors (LTC) began to fly apart; they could easily have burned the planes in the caponiers and on the landing site. Another oddity in the “satellite images”. The embankments in the parking lots are simply perfectly flat, and even without grass. Of course, during my service, I did not see the embankment at my airfield from a satellite, but the fact that it was far from ideal evenness and symmetry was visible from the ground, and the thickets of grass on it were quite strong. In the photographs, it looks like the same caponier was inserted in the editor several times, apparently the wreckage and burnt remains of the planes were also “slightly multiplied.” Nevertheless, a lot of equipment was destroyed, this is obvious. And all this after the shelling of Khmeimim, Millerovo, and an attempt at sabotage at the Kursk airfield. I would like to know how long?! am
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      11 August 2022 22: 44
      Well, judging by the trace, these are cassettes from the LTC - however, they simply cannot reach those caponiers from the place of the explosion. Again, even the bunks had to be buried in the ground or go up because of the embankment... My native airfield. There are three kilometers from the artillery depots to those caponiers... Very unlikely. But I would rather believe in carelessness, uncut grass and unloading by kicking... The same cassette with LTC... Here you have a massive fire on the site with subsequent detonation. Based on service experience.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 06: 59
        Tell me, what kind of utility rooms were there under the roofs before the explosion, which are along the edges on the bends of the taxiway? Both had explosions and nothing was left of them, the one on the right had the plane turn and the concrete was sprinkled, what were they used for?
  70. +6
    12 August 2022 00: 36
    Well, here's another greeting from the Americans. ATACMS Block IA or
    ATACMS Block IA Unitary, choose what you like. This is the only real answer to the question: what could have left such craters that are present in the images. The version from the Moscow Region is as dull and miserable as those who voiced it. It is clear that the backlash to the official)) version of how they loved Moscow was not enough, it is necessary to catch up and surpass the MOU in general and the measure of Kyiv in particular in the nomination - the stupidest explanation of what happened." I can give you an idea: air conditioners installed in violation of safety regulations exploded
    model FAB-250. Well, the crowning number is to say something 333 times about attacks on some centers where something is being decided, preferably with an extremely serious look, so that this time they will believe it. And another cool idea is to take a ruler, a compass, paint over the 300 km zone around the territory of Ukraine and maybe finally turn on your brains, and not where they are sitting.
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 13: 20
      High-explosive fragmentation cigarette butts exploded after smoking in the wrong place. And then the disaster spread through the detonating grass.

      ATACMS flies at Mach 3 on the terminal part of its trajectory! Of course, no one will hear it, and the poor camera on a smartphone, and even from a great distance, will not record anything except the detonation itself. Even standing nearby, you have to try very hard to see a rocket approaching at such speed! The warhead is of a penetrating type, but at the same time with a programmable fuse. It can leave a crater, or it can detonate in height, treating everything evenly with fragments. IMHO, there were a couple of such detonations, because... there are damaged planes quite far from the craters.

      Be that as it may, I fully support your version, and immediately made this assumption when the videos of the detonations appeared.
  71. 0
    12 August 2022 04: 04
    Why do Americans build reinforced concrete shelters for airplanes, but ours don’t? - and don’t prove to me that it’s expensive. It’s expensive when a sabotage group easily destroys two flights of aircraft!
  72. +1
    12 August 2022 05: 39
    It is encouraging that there are many more cases of careless treatment and negligence in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Every day, several warehouses, control centers, or self-propelled guns fly into the air from careless handling... Laxity...
  73. -1
    12 August 2022 08: 20
    Will there be pictures from a Russian satellite? And comments from a speaking general?
  74. 0
    12 August 2022 08: 30
    In Crimea, the military only guards well the dacha of the commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and the rest, it seems to me, is not guarded at all.
  75. -1
    12 August 2022 10: 44
    Where's the photo before the explosion? And this is not the only source of photos. There are photos in the infrared range from another satellite, several videos from the airfield itself, which quickly disappear from access, apparently overwritten. But the Internet remembers everything, they will appear again soon. The photo is very believable if you compare several factors at once.
  76. 0
    12 August 2022 10: 48
    Will it make it easier if the Moscow Region admits losses?
  77. 0
    12 August 2022 11: 15
    If the pictures are real and the planes are destroyed and damaged, then the lies are already going off scale... This seriously undermines citizens' trust in information from officials and encourages them to believe the Western media.
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      12 August 2022 13: 27
      But it doesn’t allow us to leave such characteristic funnels, all the same. The fuel does not detonate, and stored ammunition, even if they explode at the same time, the shape of the crater will be completely different.

      I’m not talking about the video yet, where there is synchronous detonation. Phoenix will not raise such a warhead.
  79. 0
    12 August 2022 12: 27
    Quote: krops777
    It’s definitely impossible to believe the picture, draw it in Photoshop, just spit, we’ll wait for the results of the official investigation.

    Have we already waited for the result of the official investigation into the sinking of the cruiser Moscow or large landing ships?
  80. +1
    12 August 2022 12: 52
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    engines and devices are all domestic

    No.
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  82. -1
    12 August 2022 19: 46
    Dear commentators - "military experts", stop talking crap, you look like clowns. Do what you know well, car repair, construction, dachas, drink beer, finally, don’t make assumptions, the RF IC is working there, experts are involved, why are you fantasizing?
  83. 0
    12 August 2022 20: 25
    Quote: fighter angel
    Mishanya Timin along with someone else, I don’t remember his last name.

    Even your misrepresentation of Mikhail Timin’s name immediately reveals that you are a distinguished historian.
    It’s also very painful for me to listen to the whole story from the very beginning of the Blau operation because the picture unfolds there that the Germans killed the Red Army as they wanted with minimal losses for themselves. Well, damn it was like that. These are facts that it is stupid to deny.
  84. 0
    12 August 2022 20: 43
    We have a blatant lie from the Russian authorities about “no losses.”
    In terms of trust, the Russian authorities are approaching the Ukrainian authorities.