The Pentagon said that all HIMARS in Ukraine are in service and continue to work actively

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After the statement by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu that our troops destroyed six HIMARS MLRS in Ukraine, the Pentagon hastened to refute this information. A spokesman for the US Department of Defense said that all American multiple rocket launchers are in service and are successfully used by Ukrainian soldiers at the front.

We are aware of the latest statements by Minister Shoigu, and they are again clearly false. Ukrainians use each of the considered missile systems with amazing accuracy and efficiency

- Pentagon spokesman Todd Bressail told Reuters categorically, adding that Russia never showed evidence of the destruction of American MLRS.



What evidence the Pentagon has is quite clear. The American military department itself has repeatedly stated that it has absolutely no control over the distribution of military assistance after it crosses the Ukrainian border. But at the same time, the US military has full confidence in the reports of Kyiv, which said "they have at their disposal up to a dozen HIMARS systems, the accuracy and range of which allowed Kyiv to reduce the Russian artillery advantage."

Curious is the definition of "up to a dozen", used by official Kyiv to count not some anti-tank systems or rifles, but entire rocket launchers, the cost of which is estimated at tens of millions of dollars, depending on the configuration. It turns out that the Ukrainian command itself does not really know how many HIMARS they have in service. What can we say about the veracity of the statements of the Pentagon.

The day before, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that Russian troops destroyed 33 American M777 howitzers, five Harpoon launchers, as well as six launchers and 200 HIMARS MLRS missiles.

Earlier, Europol issued a report stating that Ukraine has already turned into a large-scale market for smuggling Western weapons. Moreover, European police suspect that Ukrainians are selling weapons not only to the Middle East, Europe, but even to Russia. There were reports in the press that, according to unconfirmed reports, Ukraine sold several Caesar self-propelled guns to Russia and even the pride of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the same MLRS "Haymars".

In Kyiv, they immediately refuted the Europol information and demanded evidence of the existence of a “black market” for weapons in Ukraine. What ended the dialogue on this topic between the Europeans and the Ukrainian authorities is still unknown.

Some Western journalists conducted their own investigation and found out that there are entire marketplaces on the darknet where you can buy light weapons, Javelin or NLAW anti-tank systems and much more at a reasonable price. Moreover, for an additional fee, weapons can be delivered from Ukraine, for example, to Poland.
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  1. +3
    3 August 2022 11: 58
    A spokesman for the US Department of Defense said that all American multiple rocket launchers are in service and are successfully used by Ukrainian soldiers at the front.

    Why be surprised? The Americans can only have data from Ukraine. And they never admit to losing. Otherwise, they might think overseas - is it worth sending equipment to those who lose it so easily.
    1. +18
      3 August 2022 12: 02
      Officially from Ukraine, as well as to each installation, a contingent of US instructors is attached, who monitor and enter coordinates.
      1. +2
        3 August 2022 12: 54
        "... that Russia never showed evidence of the destruction of the American MLRS."
        ****************************************************************************
        That is, "didn't bring" from the positional area, at a distance of DOZENS of km. from the front line, "under the lenses of the media," a shtatovsky hearse collapsed by the Russian WTO? ..

        And so, the objectivity of Shoigu's words is confirmed by the not very strong combat activity (purely fragmentary, "dotted" along a wide front) of the use of HIMARS ...

        Already from the very moment of the "presentation" of their delivery to the Kyiv revolutionaries ...

        Well, such activity and intensity of their use "does not roll" for the presence of more than 4 - 5 American MLRS in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... This means that it is highly likely that they are "utilized" by the Russian Armed Forces, at about the same pace as they are "arriving" ...
        1. +15
          3 August 2022 13: 08
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          "... that Russia never showed evidence of the destruction of the American MLRS."
          ****************************************************************************
          That is, "didn't bring" from the positional area, at a distance of DOZENS of km. from the front line, "under the lenses of the media," a shtatovsky hearse collapsed by the Russian WTO? ..

          Dear, it has been in the yard for more than 20 years, like the 21st century. No need to haul debris. You can show a video of the defeat or a photo of the wreckage. And throw slippers at me, but the Americans are right that if Shoigu makes such statements, they need to be confirmed with something, and not shout: "And you prove that Shoigu's words are not true"! It so happened that the burden of proof lies with the claimant ...
          1. 0
            3 August 2022 13: 16
            Quote: Letun
            You can show a video of the defeat or a photo of the wreckage

            Well, in the USA they will immediately say that this is editing, photoshop, etc.
            1. +5
              3 August 2022 16: 26
              Yes, I don’t care what they say there. Just let the video be shown, with reference to the coordinates.
          2. -6
            3 August 2022 13: 28
            You can show a video of the defeat or a photo of the wreckage.

            Even in the 21st century, they don’t just put a video camera (and even a night one) with a transmitter on a rocket, KAB, or projectile just for the sake of getting a media picture. For homing, this "feedback" channel is completely optional.
            And there are many other ways to prove defeat. For example, SMS "Load oranges in barrels. Brothers Karamazov"
          3. +12
            3 August 2022 13: 30
            Quote: Letun
            but the americans are right

            About how ... I.e. when mattresses yell about some regular shnyaga "these are Russians, there is a document, but we will not show" - this is normal, but when Shoigu trolls them according to their rules - is this "not comme il faut"? The mattresses received the same rake along the ridge, which the Russian Federation threw more than once ...
            1. -1
              4 August 2022 06: 57
              Quote: kot423
              About how ... I.e. when mattresses yell about some kind of another shnyaga "these are Russians, there is a document, but we will not show" - this is normal, but when Shoigu trolls them according to their rules - is this "not comme il faut"?

              Well no. In this case, the attitude towards the words of the Americans, that towards the words of Shoigu, I personally have exactly the same. Namely, they are not credible.
              1. +2
                4 August 2022 11: 23
                Quote: Letun
                Namely, they are not credible.

                I believe, I do not believe, this is your personal point of view and attitude. But: we have NEVER practiced fakes such as test tubes at the UN, white helmets, "we will not show", etc. Therefore, I have a different point of view from you - I trust the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and I do not chase momentary docks, like you. I don't care if they took a picture of the destruction or not, the reduction in the attacks with himars / axes, etc. convincingly for me they show the correctness of the RF Ministry of Defense.
                1. 0
                  4 August 2022 12: 08
                  Quote: kot423
                  But: we have NEVER practiced fakes such as test tubes at the UN, white helmets, "we will not show", etc.

                  What are you saying ?!
                  But personally, I remember seeing with my own eyes in the news on Channel 1 how Erada Zeynalova talked about a boy crucified in the DPR ...
                  But I remember how recently in the news of the central TV they told how a certain Taira killed the parents of two children, and then, passing them off as her own, tried to get out of Mariupol. Then Tyra was released...
                  And now here's the question. Are you blind or naive?
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2022 13: 15
                    Quote: Letun
                    I saw with my own eyes in the news on Channel 1 how Erada Zeynalova talked about a boy crucified in the DPR ...
                    But I remember how recently in the news of the central TV

                    What you listed is information given by the RF Ministry of Defense? Not? Then you are either blind or reading my posts diagonally...
                    1. -2
                      4 August 2022 13: 44
                      Quote: kot423
                      What you listed is information given by the RF Ministry of Defense? Not? Then you are either blind or reading my posts diagonally...

                      How difficult it is to talk to sectarians... This information is given in the media controlled by the state. Or do you think that the state here can lie, here it can’t a little bit, but here it can’t exactly!
                      Your infallible Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that conscripts were not involved in the SVO. However, at the very beginning of the campaign, they were captured ... Was it like that?
                      Do you believe that, according to the official version of the Moscow Region, one person died during the death of the cruiser "Moskva"? Well, believe me. Blessed are those who believe...
                    2. -1
                      11 August 2022 12: 17
                      Quote: kot423
                      What you listed is information given by the RF Ministry of Defense? Not? Then you are either blind or reading my posts diagonally...

                      It is interesting to hear your opinion after the sabotage at the military airfield in Saki, and the next comment of our Defense Ministry on this event. Accident?
          4. +1
            3 August 2022 13: 35
            Quote: Letun
            that if Shoigu makes such statements, they need to be confirmed with something,

            Shoigu's statement is enough for me, Shoigu, apparently, too. If it's not enough for you, take a photo and video wink
            1. -4
              3 August 2022 19: 56
              Why didn't Shoigu get arrested?
            2. 0
              4 August 2022 06: 59
              Quote: 41 REGION
              Shoigu's statement is enough for me, Shoigu, apparently, too.

              I'm very happy for you. Any government of any state is happy when the majority of the population consists of people like you good
          5. +3
            3 August 2022 13: 35
            But, "even" in the 21st century, nobody canceled the division of evidence into "direct" and "indirect" ...

            Snapshots"?

            Taking into account the fact that the enemy takes measures for especially thorough camouflage of EXACTLY THESE objects,. including and by visual signs, I doubt that it is always possible to "show" pictures that would be "evidence" for all "skeptics". Incl. And from the Pentagon...

            Well, and one more thing... You do not admit the possibility that the Minister of Defense of Russia, voicing this information, relies not on "pictures", but, say, on undercover data? .. Incl. coming from the "ranks of the enemy"?. Or to intercepted and decrypted RTR data from closed (protected) communication networks of the enemy and his "sponsors"?..
            1. -2
              4 August 2022 18: 51
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              on agency data

              The same ones, of which they decided that a few days in Ukraine would be enough?
          6. +1
            3 August 2022 13: 45
            No need to prove anything to anyone, any technique can be destroyed and this has been proven more than once. It is foolish to think that the Himars are not vulnerable, how do they differ from the same hurricane and tornado, beech or s300, which are calmly destroyed and no one requires proof.
            1. 0
              3 August 2022 13: 54
              destroyed and no one requires proof.

              The local commentators demand video with a quality of at least 4k, 5 meters from the destroyed objects, from all angles, and with Hollywood special effects, preferably with sound.
              1. -7
                3 August 2022 16: 13
                It turns out that the Ukrainian command itself does not really know how many HIMARS they have in service. What can we say about the veracity of the statements of the Pentagon.

                You read such articles and just wonder! What can you talk about with these people? Everyone probably forgot that every second the entire theater of operations in normal weather is observed with high resolution by pi_ndos, and not only provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with intelligence on the movement and concentration of the Allied Forces in real time, but also provide target designation for HIMARS, they can in real time with the issuance of target coordinates. The latter not only determine their coordinates and correct the flight of their missiles using GPS, but are also controlled using a global positioning system if necessary. It's good that Russia has excellent air defense and electronic warfare systems that compensate for real-time reconnaissance and target designation capabilities, or rather their complete absence in real-time operational-tactical depth, otherwise the consequences were even sadder .. Fans of binoculars and backward thinking, now that's all for you clear ?
                1. +3
                  4 August 2022 05: 22
                  You may have seen satellite photographs of the area. No, not Soviet analog, shot on high-resolution film, but digital. How many pixels are in a video matrix? (20-30) million. From a height of (250-300) km and the speed of the satellite, let the size of the minimum frame be (10 * 10) km. Now we can estimate the pixel size, resolution. We translate the frame size into meters, (10 * 000) = 10 million square meters. We divide the frame size by the number of pixels in the matrix, we get the pixel size (000-100) square meters. This is awesome! Okay, the number of pixels in the matrix is ​​​​2 million (let it be). All the same, the pixel size is equal to one square meter. With this resolution, you can’t distinguish a tank from a truck. In general, deciphering pixel photographs is a chore, requiring a lot of learning and training, and not everyone can master it.
                  1. -3
                    4 August 2022 08: 34
                    But faith does not allow to screw the optics? Optical zoom coupled with digital give good results. It is for general use that a satellite flying by takes generalized pictures, but for the military there are probably focal ones ?!
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2022 19: 49
                      It is not necessary to produce entities beyond what is necessary. The use of optics does not change the number of pixels, the frame size changes. For example, if your matrix has 100 million pixels, then with a pixel size of 1 cm square, the frame size will be 10 square meters, or 000 km square. The frequency with which it will be necessary to take pictures and shift the shooting point in order to cover at least the Donetsk front is simply unrealistic. Of course, such satellites, with optics, have been produced for a long time. But for special purposes, not for reporting current from the front.
                  2. -2
                    5 August 2022 22: 06
                    And this is a whole series of American KH-11 KENNEN reconnaissance satellites, which received the rather flattering name keyhole. The US military launched 16 of these satellites between 1976 and 2013.

                    Given the orbit of KH-11, the approximate size of one pixel can be from ten to 15 centimeters.

                    https://aboutspacejornal.net/2019/07/29/всевидящее-око-что-могут-разглядеть-с/
                    There is already better...
            2. 0
              4 August 2022 11: 38
              And what do you think that only 30 toparas were destroyed? And Hyamars is 40-60 km after the contact line. Does your reconnaissance aircraft fly to this depth? Trust me, it won't fly. They shoot from the swans and dry from afar. Only Su 25 flies along the front line.
          7. +3
            3 August 2022 19: 29
            Anyone can write shit.
          8. +1
            4 August 2022 23: 04
            Following your logic, what the Americans claim is "the burden of proof lies with the claimant"
        2. 0
          3 August 2022 13: 49
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          the objectivity of Shoigu's words is confirmed by the not very strong combat activity (purely fragmentary, "point-smeared" along a wide front) of the use of HIMARS-s ...

          yes, there are two options either thinned out well or in reserve, only when the equipment is in reserve - it does not work, including "Ukrainians use each of the considered missile systems with amazing accuracy and efficiency" = false , they are lying
          1. 0
            3 August 2022 14: 25
            Quote: poquello
            there are two options

            There is a 3rd one: 404 coordinates each use with mattresses - it is quite possible that the mattresses themselves do not shove himars into difficult areas, so as not to crap with these MLRS as with publicized patriots. Mattresses have himars in PR - the invincible killer C300 / 400, etc .....
            1. -1
              3 August 2022 14: 44
              Quote: kot423
              Mattresses have himars in PR - the invincible killer C300 / 400, etc .....

              exactly exactly, the rocket must be quietly placed under the s300 and blown up, it is very reminiscent of the Turkish folk tale "How the mice wanted to hang a bell around the cat's neck"
      2. -2
        3 August 2022 13: 30
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        as well as a contingent of US instructors assigned to each installation, who monitor and enter coordinates

        And that in Ukraine no one can enter the coordinates? request
        1. -2
          3 August 2022 16: 09
          Those that need coordinates, and not those that Ukrainians want.
      3. 0
        3 August 2022 14: 41
        Sadness .. but I have to agree .. besides, trekkers are probably installed on chimeras .. at least Chinese ones ... they see them perfectly through satellite ... they lie that they don’t track .. they would be afraid to start supplying ammunition with a range of 300 km.
        1. 0
          4 August 2022 05: 45
          Quote: -TROMB-
          probably trekkers are installed on chimeras .. at least Chinese ones ..

          Maybe the key word hi
      4. -7
        3 August 2022 17: 35
        Only 1 pi_ndos per platoon of these HIMARS with the appropriate equipment. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, under the guidance of pindos on the spot, do not use HIMARS one at a time. All casts come from a long distance, and this does not affect the accuracy of shooting due to the correction of projectiles by GPS.
        It turns out that the Ukrainian command itself does not really know how many HIMARS they have in service. What can we say about the veracity of the statements of the Pentagon.

        Pi_ndos can count all the HIMARS on the Outskirts ... But the APU cannot.
        Tractors at "777", and on HIMARS installations are almost the same. From the wreckage after the destruction, it is difficult to determine exactly what was destroyed, but there were no HIMARS near the line of operations ...
      5. +2
        3 August 2022 20: 52
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        Officially from Ukraine, as well as to each installation, a contingent of US instructors is attached, who monitor and enter coordinates.

        I don’t know if it is dowry or not, but let’s go with a “simple logical move”, as Burkov said. "Let's go together," as Belyavsky answered.
        "Now can Konashenkov write off a couple of volleys with calibers as if from Moscow? No
        - And Shoigu is not.
        Can Bressail write off 20-30 Hymers launches as if from destroyed launchers? Maybe!
        - And Zaluzhny? It can too!
        "They both can!!"
        well, as in the original a little further .....
        -Iron logic! Iron logic.
    2. +16
      3 August 2022 12: 04
      The Americans can only have data from Ukraine.

      Do you really think that the Yankees are such naive guys? American operators are sitting in Hymers. I strongly doubt that Ukrainians even drove there.
      1. +2
        3 August 2022 12: 15
        We also have something to surprise, though the new product has not yet gone into a large series. We should correct the situation. We need such high-precision long-range systems.


        .we managed to turn the MLRS into a precision weapon system. For them, high accuracy, with a deviation of 1-2 m from the target, is no longer an urgent task.


        . Leonkov noted that work was also underway to increase the range of missiles - up to 400 km.

        “Initiative development was brought to the series, but there are few such systems in the troops. So we have the development. Our designers from the Russian defense industry are not among the lagging behind.


        Read more at https://military.pravda.ru/news/1727280-leonkov_rasskazal_o_razrabotke_v_rossii/
        1. -6
          3 August 2022 12: 54
          Well, yesterday at the VO they dismantled the Tornado-S smart missile, the actual analogue of the GMLRS - 9M544.

          - 2 chips in TSOP66 package. On such microcircuits, as a rule, memory modules are assembled. Russia DOES NOT produce chips in such cases.
          - Tantalum SMD capacitors. On alik in excess.
          - DB15 connector. It is NOT produced in Russia.
          - SMA type connector. It is NOT produced in Russia.
          - 3 ICs in LQFP64 package (low profile ICs).
          Here our patriotic subscribers, vehemently preaching the protective look "not caught - not a thief!", are waiting for victory! In Russia, controllers are produced in such a case, for example, K1986BE92QI from Milandra. True, the win ends here, because. microcircuits in this package are declared by the manufacturer as acceptance of "OTK 1", i.e. for civil and household appliances (consumer goods). For a military commissar, it is permissible to use ECB with acceptance of VP (OTK 5 and higher).

          In general, there is not a single microcircuit on the board that could fit under the military category (OTC 5 VP +). All microcircuits of the "commercial" class (OTK 1-3), i.e. for use in civil, household appliances. (consumer goods).
          1. +7
            3 August 2022 13: 19
            It looks like a provocation, so that someone rushes to prove something to you and gives you information about where the components are produced. Photo from the Military Informant on VKontakte at this link, as far as I understand.



            https://m.vk.com/wall-123538639_2855949

            I can only guess, but I will give you the opinion of one of the commentators on the post at the link below. Since it was posted on the Internet, I will repost it.

            .Maybe, of course, the authors guessed with components, or maybe not:
            1) Perhaps there is not SMA, but our type IX
            https://amel.ru/products/coaxial_connectors/soedinite..
            2) We have a lot of analogues of D-SUB, for example here on Elekon:
            https://zavod-elecon.ru/catalog/
            3) processors in such cases are produced by our SPC Elvis
            https://elvees.ru/chip/processors-multicore
            Etc


            https://m.vk.com/wall-123538639_2864060

            You just need to go first here https://t.me/milinfolive/88065, and then click More details, a new window will open and there you can already click on the above link, where I found this post.
          2. +9
            3 August 2022 13: 43
            In order to write such devastating comments, the materiel still needs to know better. According to the microcircuits, it may not be all of its own, but on the DB15 and SMA connectors, this is just a lie.
            Karachev plant "Electrodetal".
            https://www.elektrodetal.com/catalog/snp268/
            They even make connectors for pressfit technology. So no songs...
          3. +5
            3 August 2022 13: 47
            "True, this is where the victory ends, because the microcircuits in this package are declared by the manufacturer as acceptance of "OTC 1", i.e. for civil and household appliances (consumer goods). )."
            ****************************************************************************
            In fact, back in the Union, about 35 years ago, they already mastered and mass-produced "military plastic" (cases of the so-called DIL - DUAL IN LAIN, erroneously designated by the public and in the ranks of "specialists", DIPs, i.e. .cases with a "flat", in relation to the IC case, pinout...).

            And here the main thing is not the "type of acceptance", but the REQUIREMENTS of the "customer" for the design of ICs intended for use in one or another REA unit, for one or another class of equipment ...

            In particular, in terms of "under-hull moisture", tightness, for which "plastic" cases (either "military", or "civilian" ICs) have never been tested ...

            But requirements for "combustibility" or "flammability" could be put forward. Or by "dirt" (aggressive-active inclusions) in plastic. What was checked selectively, from a controlled (at the acceptance of the manufacturer or customer-consumer) batch of ICs ...
            1. +5
              3 August 2022 13: 54
              In order not to be unfounded, "offhand" I will give examples of officially produced (included in the design documentation with the approval of the Customer) "military plastic" ...

              R1006VI1 (timer); R153UD2 (OU), R521CA3 (comparator), R1008PP1 (compander)...
          4. 0
            3 August 2022 13: 51
            This is a one-time rocket, honor and praise to our manufacturers if they cheaply produce equipment from spare parts purchased on Alisha. Even if the Calibers and Iskanders are the same, then it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that it works, but it works !!!
            Did you know that the cost of the T-34 was almost halved with the start of the war, due to the use of cheaper components, simply because the tank does not last long in battle, so this is justified.
      2. +9
        3 August 2022 12: 39
        ... do you really think that the Americans will announce the loss of their l / s?
      3. +4
        3 August 2022 13: 01
        And that is why they will NEVER "confirm" either the destruction of their military equipment and weapons, or the death of their military advisers and instructors. Moreover, "officially" ... Moreover, "on fresh tracks" ...

        To judge this, now, is possible only by "indirect" signs ...
      4. -5
        3 August 2022 13: 06
        Quote: Pulkovo1942
        American operators are sitting in Hymers. I strongly doubt that Ukrainians even drove there.

        "The doctor can't, everything hurts. I poke my fingers - it hurts, I poke my fingers here - it hurts, I poke my fingers here - it hurts."
        Doctor: "Hey, my friend, the Americans broke your fingers."
      5. +1
        4 August 2022 05: 48
        Quote: Pulkovo1942
        Do you really think that the Yankees are such naive guys? American operators are sitting in Hymers.

        And penguins will admit that penguins are sitting in Hymers and they are dying along with dill wink
      6. +1
        4 August 2022 12: 19
        I doubt that the pedals are mixed up there, and the steering wheel must be turned inversely, and therefore it is so difficult to learn. And judging by the interface of the fire control panel, it takes a couple of days, training and forward. It is clear that there are specifics, this is not hail, but if you know the basic routines (entering coordinates, loading a program into a rocket, etc.), then there is nothing for American advisers to do there. Do you think there are professors working on chimars? There is the level of operators, high school + technical training.

        In short, it is complete nonsense to claim that the Americans are driving around Ukraine in Himars. There is absolutely no need for this.
    3. +2
      3 August 2022 12: 23
      Quote: Sergey_tactics
      Why be surprised? The Americans can only have data from Ukraine.

      Each installation has an American officer. And the target designation is also state-of-the-art!
    4. Maz
      +3
      3 August 2022 12: 41
      Since they refute, So Shoigu told the truth for sure, do not go to a fortuneteller!
      1. 0
        3 August 2022 12: 58
        But for this, the data of objective control would be useful ...
    5. nnm
      +2
      3 August 2022 13: 13
      In fairness, it is worth noting that the statement does not directly say that all the installations delivered are intact. It is said that all "recorded systems" are in operation, and in normal language this means that those systems that are listed are in operation .... and the destroyed ones may already be deregistered.
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    7. -3
      3 August 2022 13: 26
      They may have data from their "representatives" on site...
    8. 0
      4 August 2022 11: 32
      Have you seen at least one wheel from Hymers? Showed pieces of rocket. I have not seen the Hymers car in the media. And you may have missed something.
  2. +18
    3 August 2022 11: 59
    "Ukrainians use it with amazing accuracy"... So, at Yelenovka, the Ukrainians deliberately struck at their own prisoners ... with amazing accuracy ..)))
  3. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 01
    It would also be interesting to know the numbers, how many Caesars were destroyed, how many Panzer-howitzers 2000, how many Crabs for a complete set.
    1. +1
      3 August 2022 12: 27
      Quote: Gritsa
      It would also be interesting to know the numbers, how many Caesars were destroyed, how many Panzer-howitzers 2000, how many Crabs for a complete set.

      We will find out the real numbers after the victory. Now the war. And nowhere else do they lie than in love, hunting and war ... I trust our MO more.
    2. -7
      3 August 2022 13: 27
      At the moment, if I'm not mistaken, there is confirmation of the destruction of one "crab" and six 777. The rest is words, words, words ....
  4. +6
    3 August 2022 12: 03
    unlike the Pentagon with test tubes at the UN
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - NOT has a habit of lying
    1. +19
      3 August 2022 12: 23
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      NOT in the habit of lying

      Don't be so categorical. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may simply be wrong. In any case, reliable and documented information about the destruction of NATO equipment is not enough, to put it mildly.
      1. -6
        3 August 2022 12: 38
        Quote: barclay
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        NOT in the habit of lying

        Don't be so categorical. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may simply be wrong. In any case, reliable and documented information about the destruction of NATO equipment is not enough, to put it mildly.

        What documents do you need? A photo? And who will provide them to us?
        1. +1
          3 August 2022 12: 51
          Quote: navigator777
          And who will provide them to us?

          Stupid question that I don't even want to answer.
          With us, with photos, with frames, somehow everything is very weak. The network is full of clips from cuts about the destruction of something in the bushes. From the NATO equipment, they showed once the M777 in a firing position, and at the same time, the loitering ammunition exploded somewhere nearby. What happened next was not shown. Did someone provide these shots?
          What prevented the Ministry of Defense from showing footage of captured Caesars? Maybe an agreement with the French forbids this?
          1. -1
            3 August 2022 13: 58
            Quote: barclay
            Quote: navigator777
            And who will provide them to us?

            Stupid question that I don't even want to answer.
            With us, with photos, with frames, somehow everything is very weak. The network is full of clips from cuts about the destruction of something in the bushes. From the NATO equipment, they showed once the M777 in a firing position, and at the same time, the loitering ammunition exploded somewhere nearby. What happened next was not shown. Did someone provide these shots?
            What prevented the Ministry of Defense from showing footage of captured Caesars? Maybe an agreement with the French forbids this?

            If they were in the hangar and they were filled up during the explosion, who will show you, they will deny everything, because this will undermine the Ukrainians' faith in a miracle weapon, and this cannot be allowed in any way, their entire state is based on a LIE. Each person himself chooses whom to believe, his own or the enemy, you can’t make a mistake here, an information war is being waged against us!
            1. -5
              3 August 2022 14: 48
              Quote: navigator777
              If they were in the hangar and they were filled up during the explosion,

              Maybe they were standing, or maybe they managed to drive them to another place ...

              Quote: navigator777
              Each person himself chooses whom to believe, his own or the enemy, you can’t make a mistake here, an information war is being waged against us!

              At the expense of the information war - I'm aware. Don't you think that for successful actions in this war, facts are needed, and not just words?
              I say again that MO can be wrong. And it would be nice to confirm the reports with relevant personnel.
        2. 0
          3 August 2022 13: 00
          Why not provide?
        3. -1
          3 August 2022 13: 14
          Quote: navigator777
          A photo? And who will provide them to us?

          Photos of the broken M777 were provided, but what's the problem here?
  5. +19
    3 August 2022 12: 03
    Whoever wants what he believes in, there is no exact evidence that the Hymers have been destroyed, there is no evidence that they are all in service, so the disputes will go on for a long time.
    1. +11
      3 August 2022 12: 15
      There is no point in debate at all. weapons freely cross the border and are delivered to the front.
    2. 0
      3 August 2022 12: 43
      And who admits that they destroyed? For example, I am sure that any equipment can be destroyed, until the Ukrainians forbade uploading photos, then there was a lot of evidence of the destruction of objects disguised as civilians, intelligence is working well and well-wishers are also leaking coordinates.
    3. +5
      3 August 2022 13: 02
      Whoever wants what he believes in

      That's right, there are only iron facts. Are there accurate shelling of the rear? So there are installations! Stopped? it means at least something clearly happened (destroyed, bk is small, taken away from sin)
      And what is Shoigu fantasizing and voicing or US defense mines is no longer important hi
      1. -5
        3 August 2022 13: 25
        now there are very rare reports of shelling of the rear
  6. -5
    3 August 2022 12: 10
    But no one has yet caught Russia on an outright lie, unlike.
  7. +4
    3 August 2022 12: 10
    The Pentagon said that all HIMARS in Ukraine in the ranks

    ***
    - Forever...
    ***
  8. +8
    3 August 2022 12: 11
    The Pentagon said that all HIMARS in Ukraine are in service and continue to work actively
    So it’s true, it’s difficult to present the wreckage of this equipment ... they aren’t on the front line, but they haven’t reached deep into the enemy’s defenses yet.
    if something was beaten, then they took away everything that could be identified at least somehow.
    1. -6
      3 August 2022 22: 30
      <<That's right, the wreckage of this equipment is difficult to present ... they are not on the front line, but they have not yet reached the depths of the enemy's defense.>>
      But today it is not done the way it used to be.

      Multispectral satellite image of a Russian artillery battalion firing in a southeasterly direction in Ozero, Ukraine taken by the WorldView-2 satellite for Maxar Technologies. (Image credit: satellite image © 2022 Maxar Technologies)
      Well, as for HIMARS, I hope you understand that it is physically located in Ukraine. And the satellite transmits the images to the US intelligence headquarters, where, in agreement with the Ukrainian intelligence, the target is determined, a code is determined for it, which is transmitted online to the installation, and only after that the launch is carried out, maybe manually, or maybe automatically. Therefore, the US intelligence headquarters know exactly what has been destroyed and what has not.
      1. 0
        3 August 2022 22: 38
        Everyone can lie and make mistakes...
  9. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 12
    "What do they have at their disposal? up to a dozen HIMARS systems
    So 12 or all the same 6? The Ukrainians are cheating in reports to the Americans, and this is understandable. Of course, there is no reason for the Americans to admit the destruction of their publicized MLRS, and we do not need to prove anything to them.
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  11. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 15
    Key phrase:
    Russia has never produced evidence of the destruction of the American MLRS.

    As soon as they present, they recognize ....
    Until he presents - all the installations are in service ....

    It's not a question of facts, it's a question of semantics....
    1. -4
      3 August 2022 12: 50
      This is a question of the optical channels of our reconnaissance drones.
      1. +6
        3 August 2022 13: 02
        By no means! When the vehicle is in cover, we can see the defeat of the cover, but not
        No "buts"! Carlson cut him off sharply. - If you are covered with a blanket, they will see the blanket, not you. I will also be covered with a blanket, so they will not see me either.
      2. +1
        3 August 2022 13: 15
        This is a question of the optical channels of our reconnaissance drones.

        The fact that the sun rises from the east does not become controversial for visually impaired people....
    2. +2
      3 August 2022 12: 57
      Scrupulously noticed!
  12. GNM
    -1
    3 August 2022 12: 16
    ... while the US military has full confidence in the reports of Kyiv, which stated "that they have at their disposal up to a dozen HIMARS systems ...

    Specify the coordinates, prove it!
  13. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 16
    "Penta Racers" live in another parallel reality and everything is fine with them, they maintain contact with reality through special agent Zelekoks, who never lies and honors the laws of Thor
  14. +13
    3 August 2022 12: 20
    Source: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/40791
    1. 0
      3 August 2022 12: 48
      The frontal armor plate was dismantled, it seems, by a shock wave ... lol
    2. +3
      3 August 2022 12: 55
      Destroyed Tractor and 777 like? (I even thought at first that HIMARS)
    3. -1
      3 August 2022 16: 40

      But in your photo, not HIMARS, but M1083
      https://twitter.com/shahmassud/status/1554688786616942593
      More here
      1. 0
        3 August 2022 22: 55
        <<Only in your photo is not HIMARS, but M1083>>
        It's like in childhood, find the similarities and differences.

  15. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 20
    Ukrainians use each of the considered missile systems with amazing accuracy and efficiency

    The people of Azov will not let you lie! Yes
  16. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 23
    "What is your evidence?"
    1. -1
      3 August 2022 13: 43
      "Cocainum" (c)
  17. -2
    3 August 2022 12: 24
    Maybe the authors decide the Americans don’t know what’s wrong with the Hymars, and the Americans control them. You have to choose one
    1. 0
      3 August 2022 12: 30
      Maybe the authors decide the Americans don’t know what’s wrong with the Hymars, and the Americans control them. You have to choose one

      Authors?
      1. -3
        3 August 2022 12: 50
        Article authors
        1. 0
          3 August 2022 13: 26
          The authors have no contradiction ....
  18. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 24
    In the first place, and three axes, broken, khokhlopiteki, were taken away, but now they are gone. Let's see what happens to the Hymars. They are far from the front line and easy to remove!
  19. -2
    3 August 2022 12: 26
    In Iraq, the United States did not destroy a single launcher of the old Soviet R-17 missiles with absolute air supremacy, and practically nothing was shot down by their missile defense system. The same is true in Yemen in the battle of Saudi aircraft and missile defense against the Houthis missiles. The destruction of missiles, MLRS, cannon artillery on the ground is a dead end occupation. The same is true of intercepting their projectiles.
  20. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 27
    If we assume that the launch of the Hymers is controlled by the Americans themselves, then the dill arrows do not roll. Only a complete cessation of their use or wreckage can guarantee their destruction, the rest is just propaganda. Similarly, and vice versa, even if they are destroyed, but the enemy cannot confirm this for sure, you can wag your tail as much as you like and refuse to admit losses, as long as there is a chance to use the rest.
  21. +1
    3 August 2022 12: 34
    time will tell, but we know that to the supreme authorities of the Russian Federation, gaskets can convey all sorts of nonsense, lies and wishful thinking. Although, in fairness, the military of the Russian Federation were not noticed in outright lies during this war. The only place where they periodically seem to lie is by hushing up their jambs.
    It would be stupidity on the part of Shoigu to talk about this without reliable information, so I still tend to believe that, in general, Shoigu can be trusted.
  22. -1
    3 August 2022 12: 37
    we are waiting for the LMUR to fall into this shaitan arab. This will be the best proof. Pilots need to hunt for this car
    1. 0
      3 August 2022 13: 27
      Our aviation operates only on the front line. They do not fly into the rear, from where these MLRS operate. Unfortunately, the Sumerians still have the S-300 and Buk. They are also throwing something from the west.
  23. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 38
    The definition of “up to a dozen” used by official Kyiv is curious.

    "Up to a dozen" = half a dozen. Well, they love, by their nature, to distort our mighty and great.
  24. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 38
    It hurts the Merikos that HIMARS are being destroyed, they present information as if these MLRS are "immune" to our ammunition.
  25. +1
    3 August 2022 12: 43
    Yes, everything is very simple, who spoke about the destroyed himars? That's right - the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. And about that, they are all whole, who said? That's right, office plankton (staff rat). Now, if Austin says them ... against Shoigu, then there may be disagreements .... But how, if a photo of a skinned chimars appears, Austin will say about his own, they say, he blurted out without checking ...
  26. 0
    3 August 2022 12: 45
    the question is who lies more? answer is all
    but in fact it is enough to upload a video of normal quality and the Americans will not be able to object. Well, if you show a video "from afar and in the dark" and tell how much of what they destroyed - of course they will show off.
    1. -4
      3 August 2022 13: 03
      So take a movie camera and run 80 km to the rear to the enemy, shoot .... we'll see .... But our intelligence has something to shoot and why keep an eye on ....
  27. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 48
    People, it's good to hysteria. Whoever believes the amers, let him believe - it means they want it!
  28. +3
    3 August 2022 12: 49
    Yeah, and there's anthrax spores from Saddam in Colin Powell's test tube :)
  29. +1
    3 August 2022 12: 50
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, unlike the Pentagon, does not particularly share its victories, but the shelling of Kherson and its environs was carried out by Himars, now Tochki-u and Hurricanes. and in terms of the power of destruction, Himars loses to all Soviet and Russian systems. Another advertisement for a wunderwaffle. miracle weapon for suckers.
  30. +2
    3 August 2022 12: 57
    War is the art of deception. So who is lying there and who is not - now it is difficult to understand. And if Shoigu’s words are difficult to confirm (after all, the targets are behind the front line), then the Ukrainians may well confirm the presence of all installations in the ranks by taking one general photo)))
    The time and place of the photo session can be notified in advance))))
    1. 0
      3 August 2022 16: 22
      hard to confirm

      What is the problem? We don't have satellites? Jews in Syria record and show all blows.
  31. -1
    3 August 2022 13: 22
    Quote: "... Ukrainians use it with amazing accuracy and efficiency .."


    "Ukrainians" shoot at PEACEFUL PEOPLE, that's why these "Haimars" are intact.
    Those that detect, there is no doubt that they destroy - MLRS is not an impenetrable technique with an alien force field.

    Lies coming from the Pentagon!
  32. -3
    3 August 2022 13: 29
    There is no point in trusting the Pentagon. If the Americans are interested in distorting information, then they will certainly lie. Another issue is that both sides lie in a war.
  33. 0
    3 August 2022 13: 33
    Photo flashed broken haymars
  34. 0
    3 August 2022 13: 34
    The proof is visual inspection data. Or the wreckage of a broken-down hyamars. The rest is bullshit. IMHO. (No need to write me down in salobots).
  35. -1
    3 August 2022 13: 35
    There were reports in the press that, according to unconfirmed reports, Ukraine sold several Caesar self-propelled guns to Russia and even the pride of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the same MLRS "Haymars".

    If this is not a chatter and it really is, then they should have been shown long ago. Indeed, there would be a victory in the moral sense.
    1. +1
      3 August 2022 14: 02
      Quote: Third District
      If this is not a chatter and it really is, then they should have been shown long ago. Indeed, there would be a victory in the moral sense.

      Or maybe there’s nothing to throw pearls in front of pigs, but continue to work calmly, methodically grinding all these goodies?!
  36. -2
    3 August 2022 13: 51
    The issue is not well understood. There is no evidence.
  37. +2
    3 August 2022 13: 57
    No one has proof. And no one can be trusted.
  38. +1
    3 August 2022 14: 00
    The Pentagon said...

    At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is a little sick!
  39. 0
    3 August 2022 14: 08
    It is because of the fact that the command of the RF Ministry of Defense does not pay due attention to propaganda and does not confirm Konashenkov's words of defeating enemy equipment, and doubts arise in the official reports of the RF Ministry of Defense, which allows former Western partners to ridicule our army and defense minister.
  40. +1
    3 August 2022 14: 13
    "Most of all they lie before elections, during the war and after the hunt."
    This expression is attributed to Otto von Bismarck
  41. +1
    3 August 2022 14: 33
    It's not the first time the Pentagon lies about the effectiveness of their weapons, to make the american defense industry stocks look better. Same happened in the Gulf and Iraqi wars with Patriot missiles, then first they claimed 100% effectiveness against Iraqi Scud missiles, and later revised those claims to 40% and 10%.
  42. +2
    3 August 2022 14: 33
    Just like in Hollywood - "What evidence do you have ....." laughing I think Shoigu will give an order and objective control data or photos will still appear to dunk the Americans ....
  43. +1
    3 August 2022 14: 46
    If the striped directly govern the himars, there is no need to refer to the official fringe. If they refer to the wards (who are "unconditionally trusted"), then there is something to hide.

    P.S. Baikonur also showed a few shot down. Just a few pieces. And they actually scored more than fifty.
  44. 0
    3 August 2022 15: 01
    what is there by the way in Brilevka? what news?
  45. For some reason, their gentlemen can be trusted at their word, but not Russian ones. Double standarts.
  46. 0
    3 August 2022 16: 10
    Quote: donavi49
    those. for use in civil, household appliances. (consumer goods).

    Consumer goods are so consumer goods, as long as it flies where it needs to and explodes where it needs to. Anyone who did not provide domestic military components should be held accountable for their deeds, and not change positions like gloves.
  47. 0
    3 August 2022 16: 11
    You can say and say whatever you want. And where are the materials of objective control? In war, everyone lies and underestimates their losses and inflates the losses of the enemy. This has been the case in all wars. After all. if you believe the reports of our MO, then our army for the second time destroyed all the planes, helicopters, tanks and other equipment that was listed at the beginning of the NMD by the Nazis. And they still fly on something, shoot. It was recently reported that MLRS hail to adjust our drone covered an American installation of counter-battery combat. But where is the video recording from this UAV that really got into this installation. Covering and destroying are not the same thing. Do not be shy to show and demonstrate the facts, if they took place. Banderites are not shy about doing this. For example, they recorded and showed videos with a picture of the pogrom of our crossing with a large amount of battered equipment under Belyhorovka or our broken columns. This is of course depressing, but it shows and gives an idea of ​​the real situation without any words. Our people and the leadership of the country must receive reliable information about the course of hostilities and know not only about our victories, but also defeats, losses, failures, and mistakes of the command.
  48. 0
    3 August 2022 16: 15
    Quote from stelltok
    destroyed and no one requires proof.

    The local commentators demand video with a quality of at least 4k, 5 meters from the destroyed objects, from all angles, and with Hollywood special effects, preferably with sound.

    Forgot about live betting laughing
  49. 0
    3 August 2022 16: 24
    Quote: barclay
    In any case, reliable and documented information about the destruction of NATO equipment is not enough, to put it mildly.

    If this technique is crying like a cat there, our MO reports that a bunch has already been destroyed, BUT THE EQUIPMENT CONTINUES TO WORK - then questions arise. request hi
  50. 0
    3 August 2022 16: 33
    Destroying Landliz's technology as it arrives is the only way to end the war / NWO ..
  51. +1
    3 August 2022 17: 18
    ))) these “honest” people won’t lie!!!..)))
  52. 0
    3 August 2022 17: 50
    Actually, striped ones are still smart-assed ones. They could have placed inflatable dummies at the site of the opening of fire.
  53. +1
    3 August 2022 18: 11
    The Ukrainians are using each of the listed missile systems with amazing accuracy and efficiency...
    - And here we will have the Khimars!
    - What all?!
    - Yes, both.
    In fact, the question was not how the Ukrainians use American prodigies, but how many of them are counted in a living state. But the head of the American transport department was somehow embarrassed to address this issue.
    ICHSH, not a single couch expert requires proofs confirming that all “accounted for” Khimars are safe and sound. Although, it would seem, what is the problem, taking a dozen pictures in the hangar with a killer holding a fresh newspaper in his hands against the backdrop of the launcher. No, for some reason everyone is hysterically demanding 4K video from the Russian cameraman Iskander, who destroyed this hangar along with its contents from a distance of three hundred kilometers.
  54. 0
    3 August 2022 23: 35
    The Pentagon said that all HIMARS in Ukraine are in service and continue to work actively

    pentagon vs mo - we place bets on who is lying...
  55. 0
    4 August 2022 08: 28
    What intelligible thing can Satanic America say?
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  57. 0
    4 August 2022 11: 43
    Quote: Sedoy
    The Pentagon said that all HIMARS in Ukraine are in service and continue to work actively

    pentagon vs mo - we place bets on who is lying...

    Common sense (mine - I only trust it) says that both. The United States, of course, is more skilled and bolder, but ours also don’t give up. They lie like they breathe.