Minister of Defense of Ukraine: We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters

The Ukrainian defense minister continues to talk about what kind of military equipment Ukraine needs "to defeat Russia." According to Alexei Reznikov, the issue "rests on the combat Aviation NATO pattern. At the same time, the head of the Ministry of Defense made it clear that in this regard there are many problems that the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine needs to solve in the near future.

Minister of Defense of Ukraine:

We all dream about F-16 fighters, I would dream too. We have every chance for our pilots to start mastering the modern generation of aircraft.

At the same time, Reznikov did not specify how the F-16 fit in with the concept of "modern generation." The 5th generation of combat aviation includes only a few modifications of aircraft in the world. These are American F-22s and F-35s, Chinese J-20s and Russian Su-57s.

Reznikov:

There is a certain nuance. We'll have to do something with our airfields. After that, I think we will be able to receive aircraft of this class.

At the same time, Reznikov did not specify what exactly needs to be "done with the airfields." If we talk about creating the appropriate infrastructure for the maintenance, refueling, repair, and operation of weapons suitable for the F-16, then such work may take not even months, but years. If we talk about shelters at Ukrainian airfields for the F-16, then the appearance of new infrastructure facilities at the existing airfields of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will definitely not go unnoticed by Russian intelligence, including military space.

At the same time, the United States itself and other countries where F-16s are operated have not yet confirmed information about their readiness to supply these fighters for the needs of Ukraine. However, earlier there was information that in NATO countries Ukrainian pilots would be trained to pilot not only the F-16, but also the F-15.

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[neworange88]

.Minister of Defense of Ukraine: We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters

Bomb? Most likely, the pilots on Western planes will be NATO.

According to American insiders, the training of Ukrainian pilots will most likely be carried out at two American bases - a base in Columbus (Mississippi), and one of the bases in Texas. However, the Yankees will train Ukrainian pilots to fly the F-15 and F-16, and, in general, whether the Ze-team will receive Western military aircraft depends on the September decision of the US Congress. This is where the new Defense Law for 2023 will be adopted.

The American media, commenting on the rumors about the transfer of the Warthog to the Yellow-Blakyt Air Force, write that Biden's previous fears have been dispelled, and the Yankees are now going for what was unthinkable yesterday. Take at least MLRS HIMARS. In the first month of fighting on the Ukrainian battlefield, the White House said no to beggars from Kyiv, but now it is increasing the supply of this system.

The fact that the Yankees are preparing to send the Ze-team another batch of weapons, including new ones, was boasted by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov, who wrote on social networks about his conversation with the head of the US Pentagon, Lloyd Austin. Like, "his American counterpart has some very good news, but the details will come a bit later."

It is also known that in the current version of the State Defense Act for 2023, the House of Representatives agreed to the proposal of the Air Force to retire twenty-one A-10 attack aircraft in the next fiscal year. Moreover, by an amazing coincidence, this was announced on the very day that Reznikov tweeted about the surprise from Austin.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/340952/

[svp67]

Quote from: neworange88

Bomb?

It would be nice, because until today, NOT ONE airfield has been bombed. All stripes are intact.

[The black]

We, too, would do well to do something with your airfields

[41 REGION]

The landscape needs to change

[NIKN]

Quote: svp67

All stripes are intact.

To destroy the bands, this is a very difficult task (here it is desirable to work with aircraft from front-line bombers and higher, so that it would not be cost-effective to restore it), everything else is called disable, and this is for some time. I don’t remember exactly, but to restore the runway after the defeat of the FAB 500, according to wartime standards, something from 4 to 5 hours is allotted, for subsequent operation by front-line aviation.

We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters.

Only one thing, to transfer airfields to the territories of neighboring states.

[neworange88]

Well, BetAB-500 will help. Or are we embarrassed to offend someone again?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Strange video.
Drop in an open field away from the target.
Did you save the target?

[DominickS]

To do this, you need to fly into the air defense zone. And fly more than once. We have criminally few planning bombs.

[Andriuha077]

X-29
Years of development 1970 — 1980
The warhead of the rocket is armor-piercing high-explosive, weighing 317 kg, which is half of the launch mass of the rocket. The mass of explosives in this case is 116 kg.
When attacking reinforced concrete runways, the rocket leaves a funnel with a diameter of 12-15 and a depth of about 6 meters.

X-38 for replacement - to improve accuracy and significantly increase the range of missiles (up to 40 km).

old video

[gurzuf]

And how and most importantly, what should be used to bomb the strips of airfields in order to put them out of action forever?

[neworange88]

Quote: gurzuf

And how and most importantly, what should be used to bomb the strips of airfields in order to put them out of action forever?

BetAB-500.

.Concrete-piercing aerial bombs (BetAB) are designed to effectively destroy reinforced concrete pavements and airfield runways. Structurally, they are represented by two main types of bombs: free fall and with jet boosters. Concrete-piercing free-fall bombs are designed for bombing from high altitudes and are structurally very close to standard thick-walled high-explosive bombs. Concrete-piercing bombs with a parachute and a jet booster are used for bombing from any heights (including low ones). Due to the parachute, the angle of incidence of the bomb increases to 60 degrees, after which the parachute fires back and the jet booster is launched.

Most often, the mass of concrete-piercing bombs is 500-1000 kg, while bombs of a larger caliber can also be encountered. This type of weapon is designed to destroy objects with solid concrete or reinforced concrete protection or heavily armored objects. For example, fortifications (such as bunkers), bunkers, coastal batteries, runways or large warships.

https://www.topwar.ru/19499-betonoboynye-bomby.html

[TreeSmall]

BetAB-500

1. And where are they and where are they?
2. It won’t hit from 7-10 km, but they are waiting below. Air defense is not suppressed + MANPADS
3. BetAB-500 ShP is an upgraded version of the BetAB-500 free-fall concrete bomb. It is equipped with a jet engine with 2,2 kg of solid propellant and a drag parachute. This allows, unlike its predecessor, to drop it from low altitudes (up to 170 meters) and hit targets more accurately.

https://www.topwar.ru/19499-betonoboynye-bomby.html

151+ days of NWO. Not a single runway has ceased to function

[igorbrsv]

And what is the runway for without infrastructure? For emergency landing and rollerblading

[TreeSmall]

And what is the runway for without infrastructure?

1. Do you need infrastructure without a runway?
2. Has the infrastructure been destroyed/zeroed?
3. The runway in the estimate of the aerodrome is the most expensive element
Check out the rates
https://www.rccs.ru/files/ncs/ntss-81_02_18_2017.-sbornik-_-18.-obekty-grazhdanskoy-aviatsii.pdf
4. That's what I see / hear that aviation is rolling on roller skates, and almost every day they land it forever

[igorbrsv]

I am not an expert in this matter. But no matter how you gouge the runway, you can quickly patch up everything. Maximum three days. And here are the fuel tanks, tankers, control room, hangars. I think it takes a lot longer to recover.

[TreeSmall]

Neither we nor Ukraine have protected hangars for la (but there are in Syria: they have long realized the trouble. And Turkey has it.)
Tankers, airfield radar, RSP, etc. All this can be mobile and disguised.
You can't hide the runway under the net.
For war:
airfields of the 3rd class

[igorbrsv]

airfields of the 3rd class
As I understand it, all our highways are reinforced concrete. We have all of Russia one runway. At least our highway is capable of receiving Ruslans

[TreeSmall]

No ... I think Ruslana will definitely not be accepted. 3-class is FA and AA.
For VTA you need at least 2-class
For Ruslan, I will assume no lower than 1, but it is necessary.
And taking into account the fact that up to 80% of the estimate is stolen on asphalt, simple planes will not be accepted. AN-2, perhaps.
I remember laughing for a long time when, 10 years ago, the Finns were called to take asphalt samples in the Leningrad region and St. Petersburg.
The result was: no asphalt was found.
Yes, and not everywhere a reinforced concrete substrate.

[igorbrsv]

I don't categorize them. We have reinforced concrete. It is also called take-off. She is for Ruslanov. Especially since we make them
But the highway is considered a spare. At the moment, there are five Ruslans, five Il-76s, eight Ka-52s. Every night they fly somewhere, return from somewhere. Near the plant for the production of cable harnesses for these very aircraft
At the moment there are five Ruslans. At the airport are

[TreeSmall]

I don't categorize them

I attached a link from the MAI: everything is simple there.
You: be careful with the number and detail. The times are specific now: it is no longer the eagles of Yagoda, but the scoundrels of Yezhov, they rule with all their might. (Here too).
And for WFP, the fact remains: 151+ days and results, Konashenkov will not let you lie

[igorbrsv]

That's why I don't say where I live. Although it's not hard to guess

[Paladin]

And how and most importantly what should be bombed strips

5-10 ct. Everything else is restored with temporary repairs in 2-3 days. This is the maximum time, even if you drop 10-20 BetaBs there.

[Egoza]

Quote: svp67

until today, NOT ONE airfield has been bombed. All stripes are intact.

That's not necessary! Not far from me, as many as two military airfields were soft-boiled back in February and early March. "tidied up"

[svp67]

Madam

Quote: Egoza

Not far from me, as many as two military airfields were soft-boiled back in February and early March. "tidied up"

I just saw satellite images of airfields, but the buildings are in the trash, the infrastructure is the same, but the lanes are intact.
And so, I believe the person from the place ...

[igorbrsv]

The strip is easy to repair. And there is no building. They do everything right

[gansales]

Quote: svp67

Quote from: neworange88

Bomb?

It would be nice, because until today, NOT ONE airfield has been bombed. All stripes are intact.

Or maybe they are specifically waiting to then cover all these efks and other en masse? Or maybe they take care of it, for our transport workers with landing troops, etc. I think the General Staff knows better and the analysts there are not bad in conjunction with geopolitics. So I think!

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote from gansales

In the General Staff, I think it’s better and the analysts there are not bad in conjunction with geopolitics

Vitalika - translate your phrase into Russian

[DominickS]

Yes, no one will send transport workers there until the air defense is completely suppressed and the forelocks stop running, with a bunch of MANPADS. Five months something, but taught.

[Bobik012]

pilots on Western planes will be NATO

I am very afraid that there are no secrets ...

[igorbrsv]

In short, all decommissioned equipment will be brought there. If you want to use it, if you can't - dispose of it. How many different technologies. How many different ammunition. How many specialists and related equipment are needed. This is puff. It seems that there is no puff of urine, zilch, you can’t see anything, but it stinks

[isv000]

Quote from: neworange88

Bomb? Most likely, the pilots on Western planes will be NATO.

Mercenary pilots are ordered not to engage in combat with the Russian Aerospace Forces, but to retreat to the nearest airfield ...

[Normann]

something will need to be done with their airfields

Build? Those that remain do not have long to be called airfields, I hope.

[Dzafdet]

And we will help you remake them with the help of tactical missiles with YaBB. With great pleasure !

[Egoza]

If we talk about creating the appropriate infrastructure for the maintenance, refueling, repair, and operation of weapons suitable for the F-16, then such work may take not even months, but years. If we talk about shelters at Ukrainian airfields for the F-16, then the appearance of new infrastructure facilities at the existing airfields of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will definitely not go unnoticed by Russian intelligence, including military space.

Something you have too big requirements! )))) In my opinion, Reznikov is sure that only the runway needs to be updated and a camouflage net needs to be acquired! )))

[impostor]

They were going to take Russian ducklings and backfires to their airfields, and calibers arrived ...

[Rusticolus]

Something you have too big requirements! )))) In my opinion, Reznikov is sure that only the runway needs to be updated and a camouflage net needs to be acquired! )))

And pits, pits under the coffins to dig more, so that later it would not be distracted.

[Mavrikiy]

Minister of Defense of Ukraine: We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters

If you sweep the airfields after being hit with calibers, it will not help. What else can be done?

[ComVzvoda_ST]

let them buy aerocobras and they can use the primer

[Penzyak]

Let the runway be repainted in rainbow colors.
In general, there are still many different options, but aviation in the Soloreich has already died.

[ComVzvoda_ST]

f-16 does not even reach the moment -29

[Alexey Sommer]

By what criteria?

[Leshak]

Minister of Defense of Ukraine: We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters

It's something we need to do to get their airfields never been able to accept F-16 fighters

[iouris]

Konoshenkov will do something for you.

[Revolver]

Do you want an F-22 Raptor? You are great Ukrainians, the whole world owes you, and even more so the kind grandfather Biden.
Let's go Brandon!
FJ extension

[opposite28]

There is a certain nuance. We'll have to do something with our airfields. After that, I think we will be able to receive aircraft of this class.

Ukraine without nuances would not be Ukraine. One huge, solid nuance called Ukraine.

[ComVzvoda_ST]

The outskirts should be called by their proper names

[Normal]

Real beggars. All 30 years of independence live at the expense of others, tryndets. No pride, no dignity, just beg, beg, beg. Serfs in life, a nation cannot live as an independent ethnic group, no, a gentleman is constantly needed to kiss his boots and look into his eyes, from the bottom up with a plea, like a cat from Shrek.

[ComVzvoda_ST]

an ancient joke about Ukrainians and apples that I don’t eat, I’ll bite

[Normal]

Folk wisdom is not born in a vacuum

[your vsr 66-67]

Dreaming is not bad!
And the Ukronazis, starting from the bottom and ending with the highest echelon, have been dreaming all their lives!
Work less, but Schaub mustache Bulo!

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Black

We, too, would do well to do something with your airfields

Exactly! The same thought came to mind.

[Ros 56]

Yes, dig, so as not to suffer and that's all. Otherwise, some terrible Caliber will fly in and funeral music will play in your place.

[Prisoner]

Do not fuss, ours will "take care" of your airfields.

[rocket757]

Minister of Defense of Ukraine: We need to do something with airfields to receive F-16 fighters

. No, no, it’s useless to discuss the statements of all sorts of cases b b b fools, and it’s not necessary, perhaps.

[GNM]

Don't build a garage while you don't have a car.

[Pavel73]

Shatter to smithereens! So that not a single NATO scumbag sits down. And even better to be smashed. And the earth to them is glassy.

[former soldier]

Quote: gurzuf

And how and most importantly, what should be used to bomb the strips of airfields in order to put them out of action forever?

Barrels with BF-2, BF-6, oil, liquid tar. Not forever, of course, but still.

[R]

We all dream of F-16 fighters

That's all you need to know about the "great" civilization of the proto-Ukrovs: in 30 years of independence and independence, they have gone from a powerful manufacturing sector and their own full-fledged military-industrial complex (shipbuilding, aircraft building, automotive, consumer electronics and other consumer goods) to "uncle, give me a ruble". ..Everything that was donated to the USSR they hated was successfully loved and now, with hope and aspiration, they DREAM about .... other people's military aircraft .... Underdeveloped underdeveloped country of the 404th world, beggars and traitors .. Finita la comedy ...

[Bobik012]

uncle, give me a ruble

in the original - twenty kopecks

[composite]

Are you a Lada fan? drive up to the council of federation, look at what cars the deputies will arrive)))

[iz odessy]

I remember, from the past, especially perestroika, cretins disguised as "modern experts." "Concrete shelters for aircraft are a scoop. American "falcons" will launch a rocket into the wings and the end. A centralized refueling system is a scoop, a centralized power supply with starting current is a relic" and so on and so forth. After 35 years, these bad people are gone! and their "cases" live on. Reznikov? thoughts on aviation smart? about American? - well, about the reasoning of a gynecologist about the application of the general theory of relativity in his specialization

[Nord11]

Yeah .. and also equip an airfield for flying saucers and build a landing site for the Death Star, developed by a gloomy wide genius ..

[nik-mazur]

... what kind of military equipment does Ukraine need "to defeat Russia." According to Alexei Reznikov, the issue "rests on NATO-style combat aviation"...

Instead of the holy Javelins, the magical Bayraktars and the mighty Himars, who did not justify the hopes, a new fetish is planned in Ukraine, for which dill-patriots can ̶d̶r̶o̶... masturbate crouching to bloody calluses: mighty, magical and saints in one bottle of F-16. The name is only indigestible - it would be necessary to compose a more euphonious chasing.
Meanwhile, the range of Western prodigies capable of turning evil into victory is rapidly depleting - after the F-16, only Abrams, fifth-generation aircraft, strategic bombers, aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons will remain ...

[-ш-]

have fighters and airfields themselves

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

We need to do something with the airfields

***
- Convert to spaceports...
***

[Alexandr2637]

We'll have to do something with our airfields.

For example, calibrate.

[APASUS]

An aircraft mechanic has been studying on the F-16 for 5 years. Of course, you can train in 30 hours, but it will still be that mechanic

[Uprun]

Rebuilding the airfield infrastructure to the NATO standard is one thing, but who will service the equipment? NATO specialists will not crawl under the calibers, they don’t, NATO pilots will also fly on junk in the zone of our air defense and fighter aircraft. One-way flight, but do they need it? Aircraft need original spare parts and a bunch of other crap and technical fluids. And to teach the locals is from the realm of fantasy. He repaired People all his life "Zhiguli", and then he was fitted with a "gelding" of the 80s ....

[zombirusrev]

Airfields require punching ... KAB-500

[Cottodraton]

Rebuild?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The F-16's problem is empty weight. In the fight for a culture of weight, the developers sacrificed everything they could. First of all, choosing a single-engine scheme, they abandoned the mechanical control wiring.
But in relation to the topic of this discussion.
Why such requirements for airfields? Yes, everything is simple, the F-16 is just a vacuum cleaner. Not only is the air intake extremely simplified (a consequence of the very struggle for a culture of weight), it is also located very “successfully”. You don't need much for compressor blades.
In addition, I don’t know if they fixed it or not yet, but the first F-16 series had this problem, it was too much engine thrust while taxiing, I had to use the brakes. Yes, and the engine itself blew everything that the specialist did not capture. a vacuum cleaner.
Here are the requirements, perfectly clean concrete without the slightest hint of cracking.

[Eug]

I suspect that there are very serious problems with the quality of the coating (the ventral air intake of the F-16 is especially sensitive to this) and the load on various elements of the chassis. As far as I know, the landing gear of former USSR aircraft is much less sensitive to runway surface irregularities. If so, a huge amount of work.