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Poland is at war with Russia and Belarus

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13 years have passed since the Polish flag was raised in front of NATO headquarters. This meant that Poland joined the most powerful world military organization. The Polish government was confident that now the country's security is ensured. Warsaw has formulated its strategic task - to enter the structure of the Western world.

The implementation of plans for the integration of Poland into the world of Europe was facilitated by the withdrawal of Russian troops from the country’s territory in September 1993. Since then, all the statements of the Polish leadership about cooperation with Russia have become empty words, because Poland has not even considered any "eastern" projects.

NATO also hurried to use the services of its new partner: military operations were required for operations in Kosovo and military operations in Afghanistan. Poland considered its participation in the operations of the Alliance as an investment in future support from the countries participating in the bloc.

Poland has become one of the parties to NATO projects, such as the Partnership for Peace and the Council of the Euro-Atlantic Partnership. On the Polish territory in the city of Bygdoshe is located the Center for the training of multinational forces of NATO.

The Polish military contingent participated in NATO operations in the Persian Gulf, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Afghanistan (2007-2008), Iraq (2003-2008), in missions to protect the Baltic countries, in special operations in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean.

Despite the fact that a lot of time has passed since the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland joined the Alliance, there are still no real plans to defend these countries.

But some changes have occurred. As a result of the military reform, the Polish army began to comply with NATO standards and fully switched to the call for a contract. Joint exercises of the Alliance forces are systematically held on Polish territory. Poland is also a participant in the program to create a European missile defense system: it is planned that by the end of 2018, American missile defense systems will be deployed at the Polish military base Reznikov.

In October 2012, the next strategic exercises of the Polish Army under the code name "Anaconda-12” passed. Of course, to maintain the professional level and develop the skills of joint actions of the armed forces, each country needs to conduct military exercises. Only this Polish anaconda clearly has an anti-Russian mood. And the scenario of the exercises is so uncomplicated that the opponents of the Polish army are easily guessed. The role of the aggressor was clearly prepared for Russia and Belarus.

About 15 will be fought against the virtual opponent in the exercises by thousands of servicemen of various types of troops, 150 armored vehicles, 25 combat aircraft, 30 helicopters, 20 ships of various classes. The maneuvers covered the territory of five provinces.

According to the scenario of the exercise developed by Polish staffers, the reasons for the armed conflict are political and economic differences between the countries of Europe and the energy supplier - Russia, as well as the confrontation between Poland and Belarus due to the territorial claims of the latter. According to the prepared scheme, Poland is trying to get an independent source of oil and gas from its eastern neighbor, but the aggressors are carrying out a force plan that prevents Poland’s intentions.

The formed plan of maneuvers provided for a local level of conflict with the possibility of becoming a large-scale one.

According to the exercise pattern, to defend the enemy’s attack, Polish defenders deployed land, air and sea units of the armed forces of the Polish Army.

During the exercise, it was planned to work out the command and control system, implement measures to improve defensive actions, check the interaction of state structures with local authorities and armed forces during armed conflict.

The fact that Russia is the main opponent in Polish exercises is not a surprise. The military-political leadership of Poland is seriously concerned about the threat from its eastern neighbor. Especially after the successful Russian operation to eliminate the Georgian-Ossetian-Abkhaz military conflict (2008). Another thing is surprising: after all, Belarus has never made territorial claims against Poland. But Polish geopolitics have long dreamed of seeing their frontier closer to Minsk.

It is also striking that the exercise scenario contradicts the position of Polish President B. Komorowski, who opposes the country's participation in the military plans of Europe, preferring the development of its own missile defense system. As an experienced politician, he sees the strengthening of his country's security in establishing economic relations with Russia and Belarus.

But the military bloc in the Polish government is heavily influenced by the United States. Therefore, they constantly put pressure on the president. The military lobby by all means accelerates the deployment of US units in Poland and blocks any initiatives of Russia in creating a new European security system.

Against this background, the Polish exercises "Anaconda-12" have all the hallmarks of a strategic offensive operation, and not a defensive one.

In order to fulfill their ambitious military doctrine, the Poles are not in a hurry to disarm, despite the fact that many European countries, being in the nets of the economic crisis, have significantly reduced their armed forces.

Currently, Poland has an 100 thousand army, in which 65% are land forces. Ground units consist of 13 brigades, 20 regiments and battalions. The military equipment available in the arsenal of the Polish army is mainly used:
- 128 obsolete German models tanks and 232 tanks, which are modernized Russian models of the T-72M1;
- armored vehicles are represented by thousands of old BMP-1 and about 250 units of Polish-made armored personnel carriers under the Finnish license (“Wolverine”);
- artillery armament consists mainly of Soviet self-propelled guns and a small number of Polish self-propelled guns "Crab", made on the basis of T-72;
- The submarine fleet includes 5 submarines of obsolete Soviet and Norwegian models;
- pride of the surface fleet Poland - a pair of former American Perry-type frigates, five Soviet corvettes and several landing ships;
- rocket artillery provided by volley fire systems consisting of Soviet-Czech 240 varieties of the Grad MLRS and Polish Langusta;
- in service with Polish air defense are the Soviet air defense system "Cube" and C-125 and two long-range C-200В units;
- The Air Force has 48 Soviet Su-22 and Mi-24 helicopters, Mi-2, Mi-24 helicopters, and the newest F-48С bought on credit from 16 of their own 29 Soviet aircraft and helicopters production PZL-29 "Falcon".

Since during the years of Soviet-Polish friendship and cooperation, joint efforts were used to build factories and introduce technologies, the Poles now have the opportunity to independently produce airplanes, tanks, helicopters, armored vehicles, small weapon and other.

Despite the fact that the Polish army is better armed than the Georgian one, it is significantly inferior to the armed forces of only Belarus alone (without taking into account Russia's armament).

Moscow, of course, takes into account the likelihood Poland unleash a conflict against Russia and Belarus and is ready for retaliatory measures.

The crisis that engulfed the whole world could not but affect the level of NATO’s readiness - it is increasingly degrading. This fact confirms the fact that the long sluggish operation in Libya demanded from NATO a tremendous strain of all resources, including the power of countries such as the United Kingdom.

From the point of view of the West, it needs the Polish forces to protect the eastern borders of Europe, but it costs a lot of funding, and it’s difficult for NATO to incur such costs now - because this threat may never materialize.

Materials used:
http://argumenti.ru/army/n359/205640
http://www.belvpo.com/16029.html
http://www.belvpo.com/en/14515.html
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 15 October 2012 08: 26
    +33
    Proud psheks will destroy the army of Russian-Belarusian barbarians with lightning emitted from their backsides and clubs of choking legumes ... laughing Another nonsense about the greatness and power of the Limitrophic armies, and Poland has been and will be the hyena and prostitute of Europe throughout its entire modern history.
    Successful runs for pshek with curvimeters on maps .... the main thing is that the races are trained correctly in the western direction.
    1. esaul
      esaul 15 October 2012 08: 44
      +8
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Successful runs for pshek with curvimeters on the cards .... the main thing is that the races are trained correctly in the west

      Greetings, Sergey. Elegantly said!
      The only sad thing is that the stereotypes that are hammered into Polish heads about an evil, warlike Russia are very tenacious. They are so tenacious that Kaczynski's apparent blunder with his anti-Nord Stream policy is presented as yet another attempt to strangle Russia's “young Polish democracy”. And this angry little animal at his side, like a ferret, will constantly spoil the watered air.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 15 October 2012 08: 59
        +4
        Thank you.
        Yes, as it were, around Russia there is always a tangle of ferrets, rats, skunks, hyenas and other evil spirits. All this shobla has always been blathering and screaming, so what can we not live now because of the flawed ones?
        I don’t have all the Polish idiologies being poured onto the Internet, except for a feeling similar to pity for a person who was screwed to a bed in a madhouse and treated with chemistry and electricity every day, but he remains insane ...
      2. omsbon
        omsbon 15 October 2012 12: 39
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        The only sad thing is that the stereotypes hammered into Polish heads about the evil, warlike Russia are very tenacious

        Unfortunately, these stereotypes always existed in Polish minds, even when they studied at our universities.
        They will spoil the air, but be afraid to bite!
        1. CARBON
          CARBON 15 October 2012 15: 10
          +4
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Poland throughout its modern history has been and will be a hyena and prostitute in Europe.

          No need to rank Polish politicians as professionals, they are more amateurs, just fall asleep)
    2. NKVD
      NKVD 15 October 2012 15: 28
      0
      Even ridiculously, these zap-rants have megalomania. If we assume that America will unleash a war against Russia (which is unlikely), then all this geyropa for pissing gets involved in the war (by the way, the Americans are also not suicides yet) their NATO will fall apart, remember the "unity" of NATO during the Iraqi crisis ... that's toto and it’s all the same, Russia is not Iraq. And the psheki resemble a louse that tries to bite an elephant ...
      1. edge
        edge 18 October 2012 04: 15
        0
        they just historically lick their backs ........... how many times their shaves threw, and they wave their tail and happily whimper licking their shoes
    3. AIvanA
      AIvanA 15 October 2012 15: 35
      +1
      I agree, the great grandees will not calm down in any way, then they were going to fight with Hitler and Ruusimi, now with NATO, as if the result were not the same.
  2. Che
    Che 15 October 2012 08: 45
    +2
    Sadly - all this recalls the pre-war period of the Second World War. Right Hitler's script. As if the end did not come out the same.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 October 2012 09: 01
      +8
      Quote: Che
      Right Hitler's script.


      And Poland first started 2 MB
      Formally, Hitler did not attack Czechoslovakia - England, France and Italy gave it to him, and the demoralized Czech leadership agreed to this.
      Poland sent troops into Czechoslovakia by force (Teshin conflict) and chopped off a piece of it, which was outraged by all, and Churchill called Poland "the hyena of Europe".
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 15 October 2012 12: 57
        +5
        Polish officer EDWARD RYD SMLA and the German general (I don’t remember my last name) -
        these moments of their HISTORY the Poles prefer not to advertise
        1. Beck
          Beck 15 October 2012 13: 22
          +4
          Lech.

          Each nation has its own Susanins and its Vlasovs.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 15 October 2012 15: 08
          +4
          Polish officer EDWARD RYD SMLA And German general (I don’t remember my last name)

          Handshake of the Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Smigly and German Major General von Studnitz.

          Handshake of the Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Smigla and the German attache, Major General Bohislav von Studnitz, at the Independence Day parade in Warsaw on November 11 1938 of the year. The photograph is notable for the fact that the Polish parade was especially tied to the capture of Tesinska Silesia a month earlier. A convoy of Teshinsky Poles was specially held at the parade, and in Germany on the eve of 9 to 10 on November 1938, the so-called “Kristallnacht”, the first mass action of direct physical violence against Jews in the Third Reich, took place.
          More on the topic:


          Hitler and Polish Foreign Minister Beck
          And finally ...
          - We (Poland) could find a place on the side of the Reich almost the same as Italy and, for sure, better than Hungary or Romania. As a result, we would be in Moscow, where Adolf Hitler, together with Rydz-Smigly, would host a parade of victorious Polish-German troops "(Polish professor Pavel Vechorkevich).
          1. Lech e-mine
            Lech e-mine 15 October 2012 16: 05
            +1
            Interestingly, in Polish history textbooks there are these FACTS OF THEIR SHAME SHIPPING TRANSACTION WITH HITLER.
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 15 October 2012 16: 35
            +2
            Next:
            Hitler-Pilsudsky Pact
            In 1934, the German Nazis and the Polish leadership concluded the "Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland", also called the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact. In it, just like in the Soviet-German pact of 1939, the theses of non-interference in each other’s internal affairs were spelled out and the so-called "Areas of interest" in Europe, in particular in Czechoslovakia and the Baltic states.

            Goebbels and Pilsudski
            The first photo with U. Pilsudski, Beck in Warsaw. Other photos visit him the city of Krakow in June 1934.

            Here you can see that it was a warm meeting with flowers, with an interesting cultural program for museums, historical places, a banquet at which famous Polish statesmen participated.

            Photo of a dinner party in honor of Joseph Goebbels with the Polish Sejm with the participation of deputies and Polish leaders.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 15 October 2012 16: 43
              +1
              Poland and Czechoslovakia
              The most distinctly aggressive plans of the pre-war Polish elite are seen on the example of the attitude of the Polish leadership towards Czechoslovakia. Immediately after the First World War, the territorial dispute between Poland and Czechoslovakia escalated in Tieszyn Silesia. This area around which a dispute erupted in coal was the most industrialized region of all of Austria-Hungary. The armed conflict began, and in 1920 the president of Czechoslovakia, Tomas Masaryk, declared that if the Teshin conflict was not resolved in favor of Czechoslovakia, his country would intervene in the recently launched Russo-Polish war. Poland, frightened by the prospect of a war on two fronts, made concessions. Consider what happened in Poland and Czechoslovakia in 1938 in chronological order.
              Beck and German generals

              23 February 1938 year. During negotiations with Goering, Beck declared Poland's readiness to reckon with German interests in Austria and stressed Poland's interest "in the Czech problem."
              11 August 1938 year - In a conversation with Lipsky, the German side stated its understanding of Poland’s interest in Soviet Ukraine.
              19 September 1938 years - Lipsky brings to the attention of Hitler the opinion of the Polish government that Czechoslovakia is an “artificial entity” and supports Hungarian claims regarding the territory of Carpathian Rus.
              20 September 1938 years - Hitler tells Lipsky that in the event of a military conflict between Poland and Czechoslovakia over the Teschyn region, the Reich will side with Poland, that Poland has completely free hands behind the line of German interests, that he sees a solution to the Jewish problem by emigrating to the colony in agreement with Poland, Hungary and Romania.
              24 September 1938 years... Pravda newspaper 1938. September 24. N264 (7589). on page 5. publishes an article "Polish fascists are preparing a putsch in Cieszyn Silesia." Later, on the night of September 25, in the town of Konskie near Trshinets, Poles threw hand grenades and fired at houses where Czechoslovak border guards were located, as a result of which two buildings burned down. After a two-hour battle, the attackers retreated into Polish territory. Similar clashes took place that night in a number of other places in the Teshin region.
              25 September 1938 years. The Poles raided the Frishtat railway station, fired at it and threw grenades.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 15 October 2012 16: 45
                +2
                27 September 1938 year. The Polish government is putting forward a repeated demand for the "return" of the Cieszyn region to it. Throughout the night, in almost all districts of the Teshinsky region, rifle and machine-gun fire, grenade explosions, etc. were heard. The most bloody clashes, as reported by the Polish Telegraph Agency, were observed in the vicinity of Bohumin, Teshin and Yablunkov, in the townships of Bystrica, Konska and Skshecheny. Armed groups of "rebels" repeatedly attacked Czechoslovakian weapons depots, and Polish planes violated the Czechoslovak border every day. In the newspaper "Pravda" 1938. September 27. N267 (7592) on 1 page the article "The unbridled arrogance of the Polish fascists" is published.
                28 September 1938 years... Armed provocations continue. In the newspaper "Pravda" 1938. 28 September. N268 (7593) At page 5. the article "Provocations of the Polish fascists" is published.
                29 September 1938 years... Polish diplomats in London and Paris insist on "an equal approach to solving the Sudeten and Cieszyn problems," the Polish and German military agree on a line of demarcation of troops in the event of an invasion of Czechoslovakia. Czech newspapers describe touching scenes of "fighting brotherhood" between German fascists and Polish nationalists. A Czechoslovak border post near Grgava was attacked by a gang of 20 people armed with automatic weapons. The attack was repulsed, the attackers fled to Poland, and one of them, being wounded, was captured. During interrogation, the captured bandit said that there were many Germans living in Poland in their unit.
                On the night of September 29th, 30 The Munich Agreement was concluded.
                2 1938 October, the - The occupation by the Polish troops of Tieszyn Silesia.
                December 28 1938 year. In a conversation with the adviser to the German Embassy in Poland, Rudolf von Schelia, and the newly appointed Polish Ambassador to Iran, J. Karsho-Sedlevsky, the latter states: “The political perspective for the European East is clear. In a few years, Germany will fight the Soviet Union, and Poland will support, voluntarily or involuntarily, Germany in this war. For Poland, it is better to completely side with Germany before the conflict, since the territorial interests of Poland in the west and the political goals of Poland in the east, primarily in Ukraine, can be secured only through a previously reached Polish-German agreement. He, Karsho-Sedlevsky, will subordinate his activities as the Polish envoy to Tehran to the realization of this great Eastern concept, since in the end it is necessary to persuade and encourage the Persians and Afghans to play an active role in the future war against the Soviets. ”
          3. Lucky
            Lucky 15 October 2012 20: 05
            0
            Poland, wants us to once again share it))
          4. Oleg Rosskiyy
            Oleg Rosskiyy 15 October 2012 22: 05
            0
            PSih2097,
            The German has such a face, as if he wants to slap a Pole according to his physiognomy, but the latter seems to have a desire to fall into his overcoat.
        3. vikontas56
          vikontas56 15 October 2012 23: 11
          0
          Rydz-Smigly seemed to be the Minister of Defense in pre-war Poland, which stumbled over its own ambitions, wanting to grab territory with Hitler's help and hoping for the protection of France and England in the event of a conflict with Germany. But France and England, when the conflict came, preferred to play football on "Maginot lines", considering this the most effective aid to Poland! I think even now, if Poland wants to have adventures on its ass, NATO will not help! Weapons will be thrown - yes! Squealing from the stands will be awesome! But they themselves will not move because Poland for them - this is a gasket, which, having used it, is not a pity to throw it away! The blessing of other "gaskets" is still enough!
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 15 October 2012 23: 43
            0
            Weapons are thrown in - yes! They will scream from the stands! But they themselves will not move because Poland for them is a gasket, which, having used it, is not a pity to throw it away! The blessing of other "gaskets" is still enough!

            And how is your Romania different from Poland on the 38th? A bridgehead, just a bridgehead ...
            1. vikontas56
              vikontas56 16 October 2012 01: 57
              0
              Do not equate x ... with a finger, and Moldova and Romania! We are not a member of NATO and we are not very torn! As for the beachhead, it seems that Ulyanovsk is located here? Or "with a slight movement of the hand" of the leader of all Siberian Cranes, the city changed its jurisdiction, as well as islands given to China?
            2. edge
              edge 18 October 2012 04: 20
              0
              + human resource (cannon fodder) that can be put under Russian brigades
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 October 2012 10: 11
      0
      Quote: Che
      Right Hitler's script.

      Poland always has scenarios, just what independence they want for gas and oil, they probably dream of deposits in Siberia, well, let them try to take it. Bullshit, these exercises, nothing will happen to Poland!
      1. mamba
        mamba 15 October 2012 13: 21
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But what independence do they want for gas and oil?

        I also do not understand. Russia is interested in trading energy with Poland as well. Just pay on time and no problems. And we are not blocking the cranes, but the thieving transit countries. Therefore, we have nothing to fear.
        Then it turns out that either Poland is not going to pay in the future, but wants to get oil and gas for free anyway, or wants to take control of the Russian oil and gas industry.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 15 October 2012 23: 40
      0
      Sadly - all this recalls the pre-war period of the Second World War. Right Hitler's script. As if the end didn’t come out the same

      Blitzkrieg was not originally invented in the German General Staff but was taken from Polish, after 39 years ...
      1. mamba
        mamba 16 October 2012 09: 26
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        Blitzkrieg was not originally invented in the German General Staff but was taken from Polish, after 39 years ...

        Maybe you are right. But how talented Hitler developed political preparation for the blitzkrieg:
        - first we lure an "ally" who wants to snatch a piece of a neighbor;
        - then we promise him free hands wherever there are no German interests;
        - then we look through our fingers at the scene of cannibalism between neighbors;
        - Well, in the end we eat both of them.
        And not only the Poles fell into this freebie.
  3. Speedy
    Speedy 15 October 2012 08: 54
    0
    Sakhalin was and will be a hyena and prostitute in Europe. , In my opinion, exclusively a prostitute with unclear ambitions ...
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 15 October 2012 09: 02
      +2
      This is a complex of historical inferiority, once upon a time they were such a small yeropian navel .. they didn’t pull the navel, but the navel itself .. they dirty everyone in the district, robbed them, to poke a knife out of the underwear ... and then a little time passed and the district has grown and hung up to the fullest ... since then the defective howls have been howling.
      1. esaul
        esaul 15 October 2012 09: 13
        0
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        they once upon a time were such a small yeropeyskim navel


        To this, apparently, it is necessary to add the enduring age-old bitterness from the sweat of the opportunity to get their hands on Russia during the years of Russian turmoil, when they already felt the Russian Throne with their asses, and they kicked them off, saying that "You were not standing here." It is this missed opportunity that torments their little souls.
        1. Speedy
          Speedy 15 October 2012 10: 05
          0
          Poland was grown (England and the Vatican) as the Slavic antipode of Russia for centuries ... They told the poor fellow that they are the most powerful and European from the Slavs in eastern Europe .... Because of these ambitions, she constantly raked ...
    2. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 15 October 2012 20: 31
      0
      Quote: Sorrow
      , In my opinion, exclusively a prostitute with unclear ambitions ...

      Why it’s not clear, it’s very clear, they are NATO members! Behind them the United States and others like them.
  4. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 15 October 2012 09: 23
    0
    Each, in his own way, is losing his mind!

    Ah, they die, all, one by one!

    People are rarely devotees, unlike dogs!

    There it was: pss = k-r-o-v-b! Does not match...
  5. Beck
    Beck 15 October 2012 09: 34
    +1
    And, what is it about in the article to so dog the neighboring state. You that you want to turn a historical dislike into an eternal hostile confrontation. I agree, and the Poles have someone who hates the USSR. But if you bark about and for no reason, time will not live.

    The article describes the state of the current Polish army, so what. The other branch describes the state of the Turkish and Syrian armies. The author himself winds up a possible military military conflict between Poland and Belarus on the one hand and Poland on the other. That the Poles went to the roof to fight with a nuclear power? And NATO did not go.

    Well, Poland joined NATO. So Kazakhstan joined the Eurasian Union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization, so now that Uzbekistan should let dogs go to Kazakhstan?

    In the Middle Ages, Kazakhstan fought with Uzbekistan for cities in northern Uzbekistan and southern Kazakhstan. The cities of Tashkent, Taraz, Ak-Mosque and others passed from hand to hand. Now Tashkent is the capital of Uzbekistan, Tazaz and Ak-Mosque of Kazakhstan. And now what. Never mind. The status quo now. Without think of the bad past.
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 15 October 2012 09: 52
      +1
      And, what is it about in the article to so dog the neighboring state.

      The answer is in history. The Poles are very hopeful that someday RUSSIA will disappear from the map of the WORLD and grab a piece of its other territory as they have already done with CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
      Tolerance in such matters is inappropriate - it leads to the fact that the state striving to live with everyone in an eternal world without its strong army is doomed to OCCUPATION.
      HA HA- POLISH IS NOT BURNED OUT yet.
      POLAND from CAN to CAN - a popular slogan in this country.
      1. Beck
        Beck 15 October 2012 10: 43
        0
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        The answer is in history. Poles hope that someday RUSSIA will disappear from the map of the WORLD


        General of the army, but do not lower the Poles below the amoeba state. Well, maybe there are some crazy people who can think that RUSSIA can disappear from the world map. But it's crazy, not the whole Polish people. Well, what are such reasons in the modern world that Russia suddenly disappears. There are no such reasons and forces. I repeat this can only imagine crazy. But the whole people cannot be psychos by definition and default.
        1. Lech e-mine
          Lech e-mine 15 October 2012 11: 12
          +2
          I relate to ordinary Poles well, but the POLISH ELITE ALWAYS STRESSED ME.
          November 30, 1941 the Polish army in the USSR consisted of 40 961 people: 1965 officers, 11 919 non-commissioned officers and 27 077 soldiers. The 5th Infantry Division (14 people), the 703th Infantry Division (6 people), the reserve regiment (12 people), the army headquarters, the construction unit and the assembly point were formed. All this mass of people was led by the Polish general VLADISLAV ANDERS
          who took them to the Middle East at the time when the RED ARMY needed their support.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 15 October 2012 11: 19
            0
            Do you think it was better to send more of ours there? It is possible that this was the decision of our leadership
            1. Lech e-mine
              Lech e-mine 15 October 2012 12: 11
              0
              Perhaps the help of these people on the battlefields with the Nazis would save the lives of at least one thousand of our soldiers, but ANDERS preferred to sit in the MIDDLE EAST for political reasons without bringing any benefit to the Fight against the Nazis.
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 15 October 2012 12: 58
                -1
                He did not sit out in the Middle East, he participated in the occupation of Iran. Together, by the way, with our troops.
              2. mamba
                mamba 15 October 2012 13: 56
                0
                Quote: Leha e-mine
                ANDERS preferred to sit in the MIDDLE EAST for political reasons without doing any good in the Fight against the Nazis.

                You shouldn’t be so. The Poles in North Africa courageously fought precisely with the Nazis, Italian and German, demonstrating courage and stamina, in contrast to the pragmatic British. Only the Poles could take one of the fortresses where the British washed themselves with blood, ignoring the losses.
                Yes, it was we who armed them, but they did not sit out in the rear. Of course, it would be more useful for the USSR if Anders' army fought on our front, and not near the devil on the horns, but, probably, it was recruited from supporters of the London government and, perhaps, even obeyed to it. Therefore, Stalin probably decided: let them fight, but away from us.
              3. Splin
                Splin 15 October 2012 14: 14
                +1
                Quote: Leha e-mine
                ANDERS preferred to sit in the MIDDLE EAST for political reasons


                We also have such anti-heroes / heroes. Kolchak in World War I did not differ much, although the potential was huge. But in Civilian, he famously bogged down on American and Japanese money. And now almost a hero of Russia.
                1. mamba
                  mamba 15 October 2012 16: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Splin
                  Kolchak in World War I did not differ much, although the potential was huge.

                  But this is in vain. It was during the First World War that he distinguished himself the most. In the Baltic, he led the mines, which caused the German Navy the greatest losses. It was his mining tactics that became classic.
                  After he headed the Black Sea Fleet, Russia was able to crush all Turkish shipments on the Black Sea. The Russian mines delivered from the Bosphorus blew up the vaunted German raiders, from whom I could not save under the previous commander.
                  In the Russo-Japanese War, where he mastered and conducted mining near Port Arthur, he also distinguished himself. On Russian mines, two of the latest Japanese battleships were killed, killed with all crews.
                  His choice in civil war is the choice of his conscience. No one justifies his crimes, and he did not justify himself. I answered for this.
          2. Beck
            Beck 15 October 2012 11: 26
            -1
            Quote: Leha e-mine
            I relate to ordinary Poles well, but the POLISH ELITE ALWAYS STRESSED ME.


            This is a completely different collencore. She is the elite. In her false patriotic slogans, selfish interests, she can = move somewhere.

            The French people, the same winegrower from the Champagne fields, well, did not want a war with Russia in 1812 at all. But the elite, led by Napoleon, sent him to Borodino where this winegrower died.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 October 2012 12: 48
              +2
              Quote: Beck

              The French people, the same winegrower from the Champagne fields, well, did not want a war with Russia in 1812 at all.

              They all don’t want warriors, only when they come to our land they behave worse than the chekotila, you don’t need to blame everything on the elite, the people themselves choose this elite
        2. nnz226
          nnz226 15 October 2012 12: 28
          0
          it’s just psychos in Poland who rule, the Germans also now say that from 1933 to 1945 they were led by a “possessed corporal”, but what did he do with the hands of those “prudent” Germans - should I remind you, or is everything clear ?!
          1. Beck
            Beck 15 October 2012 12: 58
            0
            Quote: nnz226
            and what he did with the hands of those "prudent" Germans - should I recall, or is everything clear ?!


            The conquest was done by the hands of the German army. The atrocities and triumphs of Nazism at the hands of the SS, SD, Gestapo, Sonderkommand and others.
    2. Sirozha
      Sirozha 15 October 2012 11: 21
      +1
      It’s a pity that I can’t give a plus, but I completely agree with you. An article from the category of "blunder by cowards about the fence" about the aggression of Poland towards Russia. They had to come up with some scenario for the exercise, they came up with it.
      1. mamba
        mamba 15 October 2012 14: 06
        0
        Quote: Sirozha
        They had to come up with some kind of scenario for the exercises, they came up with it.

        Not a damn yourself, just come up! In civilized countries, as an adversary in exercises, poly-incorrect terms are used:
        - blue against red;
        - a mythical state, such as Mordor;
        - terrorist groups, etc.
        And here - here, get it! We are not afraid of you! And you are afraid of us!
        Another political rudeness. Again Russophobia and even Belarusianophobia.
        Nasty, but not scary.
    3. mamba
      mamba 15 October 2012 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Beck
      In the Middle Ages, Kazakhstan fought with Uzbekistan for cities in northern Uzbekistan and southern Kazakhstan. The cities of Tashkent, Taraz, Ak-Mosque and others passed from hand to hand. Now Tashkent is the capital of Uzbekistan, Tazaz and Ak-Mosque of Kazakhstan. And now what. Never mind. The status quo now. Without think of the bad past.

      May God grant that this continue. But only in our troubled times, more and more often, time-bombed mines exploded dozens and even hundreds of years ago. Because there are too many mine detectors-demolitionists. I really want them to grab another tidbit with the wrong hands. Bleed, intervene, gain a foothold, dictate, possess.
      Therefore, not recalling the bad, hoping to maintain the status quo, we must be prepared for provocations, and if necessary, to fight back. The good nature of death is like.
  6. volcano
    volcano 15 October 2012 10: 02
    +2
    Poland is the most worthless state in Europe .....
    Why live .... where are they going? Unclear....

    it seems that if it weren’t for clinical Russophobia, which unites this defective gentry, then Poland as a state would cease to exist long ago ....

    Here are the really, most useless people ..... what they are ... what they do not ..... to the world and Europe in general no difference .... no one will notice .....
    1. elenasvetlova
      elenasvetlova 15 October 2012 10: 20
      +3
      They will play out sometime with such calls and slogans. Then their rulers let themselves blame that Russia took over the border with Germany, the Czech Republic and Slovakia feel
      1. afire
        afire 15 October 2012 10: 22
        +2
        By the way, the Kaliningrad region will grow quite seriously feel oh heal) urope her mother))))
    2. Beck
      Beck 15 October 2012 11: 03
      0
      Live to live. We all live like that.
      1. mamba
        mamba 15 October 2012 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Beck
        Live to live. We all live like that.

        We don’t live like that. Nothing of the kind is happening in Russia in relation to Poland.
        Our tolerance, at times, deserves judgment.
        1. Beck
          Beck 15 October 2012 16: 28
          0
          Mambe.

          Live to live. I answered Volkan that the Poles were useless people.

          But yours, that in Russia there is nothing similar, accusing, of Poland, I do not agree. Well, at least read the comments on this page. As I understand it, with the exception of the Poles, there are exceptions in everything; the complaints are mainly only to tsarist Russia and the USSR, but not to today's Russia.

          But with your koment that the Poles showed themselves well in World War II, I agree. Neither the French, nor the Belgians, nor the Danes and other Europeans except Yushoslavs showed such zeal in the fight against fascism as the Poles. They had both partisan movement and uprisings. In British aviation, the most effective formation was 303 squadron manned by Polish pilots. Polish soldiers as part of the British commandos took an active part in the Dutch operation.

          I will repeat. After Ukraine, Belarus, who is closer to Russia from the Slavs? Poles. You just have to forget what happened 50 years ago. And do not forget and do not give such mutual statements that here, what is there.
    3. mamba
      mamba 15 October 2012 14: 14
      0
      Quote: volkan
      Why live .... where are they going? It is incomprehensible .... a feeling that if it were not for the clinical Russophobia that unites this flawed gentry, then Poland as a state would cease to exist long ago ....

      They live according to the principle: whoever pays the most is the one above us. And so we track down his ass to shine.
      They go to a place where it is safer to snarl at a big Russian bear.
      Poland as an "independent state" exists as long as it is beneficial to the enemies of Russia.
    4. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 15 October 2012 15: 13
      +2
      perhaps out of uselessness poland can compete with albania - another great power is her mother
      1. edge
        edge 18 October 2012 04: 35
        0
        Ruslan, you’re wrong: since the Soviet times, a fairly developed economy has gone to Poland, and unlike the Balts, they didn’t ruin it, but use it very efficiently.
    5. edge
      edge 18 October 2012 04: 30
      0
      Don’t say, Poland is the European analogue of China. Right now, the whole Europe is being filled with cheap stuff.
  7. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 15 October 2012 10: 08
    +3
    Poland has ceased to imagine something from the time of the collapse of the Commonwealth, after which she runs to the uncle who is strong and gives a lot of money.
    1. Beck
      Beck 15 October 2012 11: 06
      -1
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Poland has ceased to imagine something from the time of the collapse of the Commonwealth, after which she runs to the uncle who is strong and gives a lot of money.


      Maybe she was running, but not from a good life. And most likely it is DUKS from all sides divided Poland into pieces.
      1. NAV-STAR
        NAV-STAR 15 October 2012 11: 20
        0
        All these are the fruits of geopolitics. And I am sincerely sorry that our people were divided and removed an equal player from the world board. But let's hope that the Ukrainian elite will see clearly and will integrate into the union, otherwise they will click it.
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 15 October 2012 13: 38
        +1
        they began to divide when the Commonwealth’s Speech completely weakened due to internal turmoil and was not able to defend itself.
        1. Beck
          Beck 15 October 2012 13: 42
          +2
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          they began to divide when the Commonwealth’s Speech completely weakened due to internal turmoil and was not able to defend itself.


          By modern standards, this is not a reason to derbanit.
      3. mamba
        mamba 15 October 2012 14: 22
        +1
        Quote: Beck
        Maybe she was running, but not from a good life. And most likely it is DUKS from all sides divided Poland into pieces.

        Divided, but after this mongrel had a bite of all these uncles. And she did this not from a bad life, but from the desire to snatch someone else's piece.
        They did not accept the example of Sweden. Those, too, at one time, increased their strength, but, having received several times in the teeth preferred to deal with internal problems. And how they succeeded!
  8. ups
    ups 15 October 2012 10: 26
    +1
    I know one thing for sure, Motherland will call and I will go. And while there are people like me, the country can sleep peacefully wink
    1. afire
      afire 15 October 2012 10: 28
      0
      I think everyone on the forum sincerely cares for the safety of our mother and will stand up for her at least with a pitchfork
    2. vel77
      vel77 15 October 2012 11: 53
      0
      You are not alone, many will defend their land ..... it is the land and not the state.
  9. Splin
    Splin 15 October 2012 10: 29
    +1
    Valery wrote a horror story in the spirit of the 80s. It turns out that the Poles come to Moscow and put on the throne false Vova.
    There is nothing extraordinary in those exercises! Yes, we beat the scenario where Russia and Belarus are potential adversaries. What is wrong for today? And in the Soviet exercises "Shield-82" the enemy was from the West. The time was different. Normal practice of tactics and operational actions. Read the Georgian press about "Caucasus 2012"
    -Russia is preparing for aggression! etc. Or Polish newspapers about the "Union Shield-2011". Finish this hap!
    1. mamba
      mamba 15 October 2012 14: 34
      -1
      Quote: Splin
      It turns out that the Poles come to Moscow and put on the throne false Vova.

      This was out of the question. Funny from the stupidity of what was said.
      Quote: Splin
      There is nothing extraordinary in those teachings! Yes, we beat the scenario where Russia and Belarus are potential adversaries.

      It is one thing to consider a country as a potential adversary, it is another thing to conduct military exercises openly directed against that country. Yes, and near its borders. This is a blatant provocation and terry militarism. What normal relations with such a state can we talk about after that?
      1. Splin
        Splin 15 October 2012 14: 46
        -1
        Quote: mamba

        It is one thing to consider a country as a potential adversary, it is another thing to conduct military exercises openly directed against that country. Yes, and near its borders. This is a blatant provocation and terry militarism. What normal relations with such a state can we talk about after that?


        Rave! In Kalinigrad, it means that exercises can be carried out, in the North Caucasus it is possible, but not for others. Do not invent horror movies and sleep without valerian. Near the borders is by the standards of Russia. and a distance of 200 km is already the center of Poland. Do not escalate the situation and do not have to make a storm in a glass of water!
        1. mamba
          mamba 16 October 2012 09: 44
          0
          Splin Do not invent horror films and sleep without valerian
          Well, how would you react if the exercises were openly directed against Ukraine? Would not a valerian be required? Or should Russia only wipe itself off when they spit in her direction?
          Something I did not hear that the impudent and vile amers have recently allowed themselves to conduct exercises directed directly and openly against Russia. And the Poles here decided to excel. However, the serf was always more zealous than the master.
          1. Splin
            Splin 16 October 2012 10: 22
            0
            The exercises were defensive in nature. Passed horseradish knows where -Pomeranian Voivodeship, Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship, Lodz Voivodeship. Yes, the structure, organization and equipment of the Russian army were introduced into the enemy’s character. Although with the same success, it can be calculated that it was the Ukrainian army. This is already the fantasy of your scribblers to finish the script.

            http://www.army.mil.pl/index.php/anakonda-12/3809-aster-2012-przygotowanie-syste

            mow-do-anakondy
      2. edge
        edge 18 October 2012 04: 40
        0
        that’s why he and the General Staff, to work out any, even the most absurd options for warfare; they work out their bread, their salaries, like all the warriors of the world ......
    2. black_eagle
      black_eagle 15 October 2012 14: 46
      0
      It is only we who are so tolerant, in the future in 2012 we are working on repelling the attack of "illegal bandit formations" that came from abroad !!! but no one will say that we thought badly about them, the enemy is conditional))))
      1. Splin
        Splin 15 October 2012 14: 50
        0
        And on the "Anaconda" they said so - our enemies are Belarusians and Russians. Do not make me laugh.
        1. black_eagle
          black_eagle 15 October 2012 15: 08
          0
          Are you a Pole? They are Poles, they believe that if it weren’t for Russia they would be where they were, and who knows where the truth is, to compare how Poland and Russia live, you can rethink a lot
          1. Splin
            Splin 15 October 2012 15: 31
            0
            We didn’t talk either, but everyone knew very well that we scared Romanians. Even the pontoon bridge was taken out of the coffers in order to imitate the Danube!
            1. black_eagle
              black_eagle 15 October 2012 16: 27
              0
              Well, not from zagashniks, but from 12 engineering regiments))))) And the fact that you guessed it very well, but you should not talk about it)))) Although my personal opinion on the Poles is to enter
  10. подводник
    подводник 15 October 2012 10: 33
    +3
    "Poland is at war with Russia and Belarus ...."




    ..... There are a lot of birches in Belarus ..... There are even more in Russia ...
    Come on everyone is enough ....
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 15 October 2012 14: 24
      +2
      The forest here doesn’t cope badly with them. laughing
    2. mamba
      mamba 16 October 2012 09: 52
      0
      Quote: submariner
      ..... There are a lot of birches in Belarus ..... There are even more in Russia ...
      Come on everyone is enough ....

      Birch crosses are a short-lived thing, therefore, the memory is short among the descendants of those under them.
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 15 October 2012 10: 40
    0
    all you have to give up. the Polish army has revived to burn the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from sea to sea. clowns. But were our observers present at the exercises? if so, then probably
  12. Arsen
    Arsen 15 October 2012 10: 57
    0
    The Poles have a brain inflammation campaign.
  13. PARROT
    PARROT 15 October 2012 11: 41
    -3
    And who shared Poland with Germany?)
    Regarding the review, it is clear to everyone that Poland is weaker than Belarus and, of course, Russia. Compare yourself with Turkey better, because after they landed your plane I think it would be logical to make a review Turkey is fighting with Russia, and not about the Polish exercises where they have a virtual. enemy.
    1. подводник
      подводник 15 October 2012 11: 53
      +1
      1. They landed a Syrian plane, under the control of Syrian pilots transporting Syrian property.
      2. On board were Russian citizens who safely reached subsequently their destination.
      3. Do you think we urgently need to bomb Turkey?

      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 15 October 2012 16: 17
        -1
        On board were Russian citizens who safely got afterwards to destination.

        That's it, that later
        In your opinion, do we urgently need to bomb Turkey?

        Well, to bomb - not to bomb, and the straits must be taken away unequivocally, together with the Sofia Cathedral ...
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 15 October 2012 22: 34
          0
          that bitch that zinnusila, remember KOZ.LI. How many Slavic prostitutes under duress (including under drugs, it could be your daughter, sister, girlfriend, just acquaintance) are in sexual slavery in Turkey (you still consider Turkey - the state?), turn on your brain if you are from Russia or other Slavic republics ...
  14. MAB
    MAB 15 October 2012 12: 24
    0
    Hello everyone, let them play themselves, as they say, whatever the child would like to talk about ...., it's time to get used to such countries and its politicians.
  15. Leisure
    Leisure 15 October 2012 13: 03
    0
    Poles, characteristic of Manilovism. Lovers rake in heat with the wrong hands, in a word, scavengers.
  16. golem
    golem 15 October 2012 13: 43
    +1
    Comic article. No one in Poland is planning an offensive operation against Russia and Belarus. Even if I really wanted to. Just the potentials are completely different. Such nonsense can be told by the patriot of this forum so that later they would spray foam from their mouths against Poland. And it turns out winked
    I am silent about Poland’s imaginary territorial claims in Belarus because it’s bullshit smile
    Anaconda 2012 is a defensive teaching as well as the Russian-Belarusian teaching West
    Here's what they did there:
    http://www.anakonda.do.wp.mil.pl/pl/2.html
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 15 October 2012 14: 31
      +3
      Dear You are right that Poland does not plan to fight against Russia and Belarus, for one reason, it is just that it has been fighting for a long time already. How many attempts have been made at color revolutions in Belarus? How many different organizations and societies have been closed for these cases? How many orange youths have been trained in special courses and experience exchanges? Network and network-centric wars are wars of the 21st century, they should not and will not be fought by guns and tanks, or rather most of them. Especially in Poland, thanks to the Smolensk Tragedy, a new generation could come to leadership positions, not constrained by any dogmas, norms and standards of decency and decency (and they can afford to look not like Russophobes). So there is no need to treat anyone with fairy tales about Poland's peacefulness. The principle "from can to can" in Poland has not been canceled, and will not dare to cancel, if his career is dear to him, and life is under an hour. Painfully suspiciously often dying in Poland politicians, whose point of view is contrary to the authorities. I personally think that russophobia in Poland is stronger than in the Tribaltic, but it is hidden 10 times deeper and better made up. Why should the Tribaltics be ashamed of their furious Russophobia? Well, the maximum will not be given a discount on gas. Even so, it will be worse not for politicians, but for the electorate. They were never anything. CIA and MI-6, perfectly understanding the weak capabilities of the intelligence services bully the tribals (whoever wants to, you can learn more about this) to conduct serious intelligence work in Russia, instructed them, as NATO members, to collect confidential, although not secret, information on the economic direction (information about Russia's policy in the field of oil and gas transit, as well as about banking sector development). And the imperial past of Poland, its imperial ambitions dictate that Poland and its international reputation laughing (reputation) should be ideal in terms of democracy and morality. Although I am personally a skeptic, and I believe Churchill more (I'm talking about his thesis that Poland is a European hyena) ...
  17. wax
    wax 15 October 2012 13: 46
    0
    Following the results of the 2nd World War, Poland received 2/3 of the Eastern Druch, and it was a Stalinist gift. Claiming to the eastern lands (Western Belarus and Western Ukraine - also the Stalinist annexation to the USSR), Poland carefully forgets about the need in this case to return the original German lands to Germany. Well, thoughts about the war, alas, testify to complete schizophrenia. Now such firepower that the battles of the 2nd World War and the bombing of the Dresden type will seem like a prank.
    1. Beck
      Beck 15 October 2012 14: 00
      -1
      Quote: Wax
      As a result of World War II, Poland received 2/2 of the Eastern Druch, and it was a Stalin gift


      Prussia is Prussia, but it was also called Silesia. In 999, Silesia became part of Poland. Then I went there and there. Before 2MB, the UN divided Silesib into three parts. In half of Germany and Poland, a small part of the Czech Republic. One of the pretexts of Hitler’s attack on Poland was the claim to all of Silesia. After the Second World War, all of Silesia was returned to Poland. So there was no present from Stalin.
      1. Splin
        Splin 15 October 2012 14: 30
        +2
        It was not a gift but a diplomatic decision. Churchill just wanted to see Poland in the old borders with the lands that it covered in Soviet Belarus and Ukraine in 20 and agreed in Yalta to such a decision.

  18. Beck
    Beck 15 October 2012 13: 50
    0
    Quote: golem
    Such nonsense can be told by the patriot of this forum so that later they would spray foam from their mouths against Poland. And it turns out


    I will ask you to express more precisely. Not PATRIOTS, but cheers-patriots. There is a very big difference between them. Patriot is holy. Hooray patriot low.
  19. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 15 October 2012 14: 12
    +2
    Poland has NEVER been a friend to Russia. Throughout the foreseeable history of Poland, either it did not exist as an independent state, or it was someone's province. In the post-war period, the Russians were persuaded that the Poles were not our enemies, and a couple of generations grew up on "Four Tankers", etc. Poland, even in Soviet times, spoiled us to the best of its ability, and now! They are ready to forget both Auschwitz and Treblinka and the Warsaw Uprising and in general all the sacrifices that they brought just a little shit to us. However, Poland forgets that Russia has always helped Poland as a whole, and Polish independence was given by Russia.
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 15 October 2012 15: 14
      +1
      Well, you are a little wrong, there was a time when Poland was the strongest state in Europe for sure. Moscow was taken laughing , and still plan. Pilsudski once said -

      When I take Moscow, I will order to write on the Kremlin wall: 'It is forbidden to speak Russian'

      Before World War II, Poland planned to win the war against Germany and the USSR at the same time. I’m not joking, Google has everything on this topic ... On this map, the minimum territorial claims of Poland, judge for yourself (even to Kazakhstan laughing ) ...
  20. red 015
    red 015 15 October 2012 14: 20
    +1
    Polish troops do not have time to blink, as their army will iron our aircraft
    1. Matt
      Matt 15 October 2012 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: red 015
      Polish troops do not have time to blink, as their army will iron our aircraft

      Yeah, they’re not pretty, as the Polish journalist 38 F-16 wrote here (I can be wrong, in quantity bully ) We decided to fuck all of Russia !!!)))



      And now guys, I will tell you for my Grandfather !!!
      Oh and Healthy, he was --- and the growth and strength of the Hero, unlike my father (in the sense of growth), he was still that big guy !!!
      So here --- sorry got carried away !!!
      Grandfather was sitting in the trench, here the Junkers, well, and he told me like a carousel !!
      Then he asked a neighbor for a smoke, but he wasn’t also a sucker - say, you want to go court, well, then Grandfather looked at the sky and realized that he would have time (he thought so, but not a bomb from Junkers) crying
      I hit a fragment of a sapper blade and hit him in the stomach !!!
      So he got to the hospital in Poland !!!
      And then there is another canoe, it is necessary to drown (in the sense that it was warm in the house), and who did not go to get firewood they just killed !!!
      SchA will be continued, if of course it is interesting !!!
      1. Matt
        Matt 15 October 2012 16: 08
        +3
        Continue further !!!
        In general, it was Grandfather’s turn to go to get firewood ... who was in Poland, and in any forest understands that this is HOW !!!
        Grandfather takes PPSh and a bottle of vodka sits in a cart (and the horse, as he himself said, came home), he says they’ll shoot him from the forest anyway, and then he comes up and picks up firewood and the horse takes him home drunk !!!))
        And OOOO miracle he is LIVING !!!

        NKVDshnik pulls him and says, like how did you survive ???


        Are you a traitor or prick))))
        I will give continuation further !!!
        1. Matt
          Matt 15 October 2012 16: 23
          +2
          Guys and you will not believe .... Grandfather did not give up (I probably in him good , I’ll inform you of my grandfather, even my father was afraid of him, and how Grandfather loved me ......))), and the NKVDshnik said
          Grandfather says, well, plant me, what are you mumbling (well, like, what can you scare me with --- I’m from the Far East, you generally understand that THIS or come with me to the attack) !!!)))
          But no, the NKVDshnik came up with a New Execution for him, NO Says You will stay in the Hospital and each time you will go for firewood !!!
          Then, as Grandfather told me, I sat down (and he was more to Gutaril’s grandson than to his father, well, GRANDFATES love us !!))
          I’ll write a sequel !!!
          1. Matt
            Matt 15 October 2012 16: 40
            0
            In general, the continuation is simple !!!))
            Well guess - Guys !!!))))) lol
            And the answer is simple --- Grandfather had a mistress at home (well, in the sense where the hospital was)))
            And she said not to be touched, otherwise how would he survive ?????
            Then they were all slammed, But Grandfather was already in Artyom !!!!
            So I have somewhere in Poland "a second father! Lives or a relative, and you say ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 October 2012 16: 47
              +2
              Damn Met, well, I asked you not to stand, so why the hell did you print this woman here. I gave my word, and you suffer from garbage
              1. Matt
                Matt 15 October 2012 17: 00
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Damn Met, well, I asked you not to stand, so why the hell did you print this woman here. I gave my word, and you suffer from garbage

                Well, Sasha, I just wanted to explain that in the war, size matters !!!)))

                Sorry Sanya (I just wanted to tell Grandfather, Sorry if I didn’t succeed), ches. I won’t say a word again, but I didn’t seem to say MATOM ???
                Sanya, Sorry, I definitely won’t do it anymore, although Alibek asks !!)))) drinks
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 15 October 2012 17: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Matt
                  Sanya, Sorry, I definitely won’t do it anymore, although Alibek asks !!))))

                  Alibek asks under the law)))))))))))
                  and what kind of manner, how does everything drop off on Alibek ??)))
                  Remove this skinny !!)))
                  And I told you that Sanya covered the chest with his chest !!!
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 October 2012 17: 09
                  +1
                  Change the comment and delete the woman.
  21. 8 company
    8 company 15 October 2012 15: 30
    0
    We believe:
    the population of Poland is 38 million, the army is 100 thousand, 1 military for 380 people.
    the population of Belarus is 9,5 million, the army is 73 thousand, 1 military for 130 people.
    At the same time, the author seriously claims that Poland threatens both Belarus and Russia ??? A funny conclusion, I hope the author has already dug up a bomb shelter and stocked up canned goods, because the evil Poles are already close laughing
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 15 October 2012 15: 41
      +2
      Who said that right now? Who said that yourself? Where are the guarantees that everything will not happen under the "Perestroika-2" option? Since 1945, the Amers have been breaking up the "scoop", and everything worked out. For more than 200 years the Poles have been waiting for something to "take back" Belarus and the western Ukraine. And everything worked out ... When everything in the Russian Federation breaks down and flies to disappear to such and such a mother, when peoples and nationalities begin to cut each other, when the regions will hastily leave the Russian Federation (for example, the Democratic Republic of Ryazan, etc.), then friends and will voice their claims ... There are a lot of these friends, take my word for it. I personally need Russia, rich and well-fed, calm and contented, fair and generous, otherwise everyone will grab grief.
  22. Dema239
    Dema239 15 October 2012 16: 00
    +2
    The last anecdote: "The Pole is a warrior ..." laughing
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 15 October 2012 20: 25
      -1
      You shouldn’t be so, Poland was glorious by great people and soldiers in particular ...

      Sobieski (Jan Sobieski) (1629-1696), king (under the name Jan III) of the Commonwealth from 1674, commander. In 1683 he defeated the Turkish army besieging Vienna. Concluded the "Eternal World" 1686 with Russia.

      It’s a pity that not everything was successful, but the man was great, like his actions and intentions ...
  23. skullcap
    skullcap 15 October 2012 17: 07
    +2
    Good day to all.
    The other day in the telly was a story about a Pole, a former policeman, who devoted the rest of his life to saving in Europe stolen RUSSIAN children.
    This is me to the fact that in every nation there are very different people. And how many people will respect their neighbors - largely depends on how the neighbors treat them.
    It seems to me that this time some on the site behaved insufficiently restrained. It is not necessary to transfer the behavior of elites and governments to all people. If we evaluate all our Russian people on business fucking with a company, then we will not look any better.
    And the Poles descended from a part of the Polyan tribe. The eastern part of the glade on the Dnieper formed Russia, of which Russia is the heir. That is: whether we want it or not - we are blood brothers. Only the Poles were unlucky - they were baptized by the Vatican and turned them into their penalty battalion in the age-old onslaught to the East. It is not by chance that in the history of Poland we do not know great personalities equal to Svyatoslav, Ivan the Terrible or Nicholas 1, who would subordinate state policy to national interests. The tireless and painstaking work of the Jesuits and other papal agents could not allow their appearance.
    Therefore, it is much more difficult for a Pole to remain a Slav than even a Little Russia, let alone the Great Russians.
    Let's not stoop to a low base and start respecting ourselves and our neighbors. Considering that there were a lot of different things in history, including from our “knolls”, which we were far from always empowered to do so.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 15 October 2012 19: 46
      +2
      It is no accident, therefore, that in the history of Poland we do not know great personalities equal to Svyatoslav, Ivan the Terrible or Nikolai 1, who would subordinate state policy to national interests.

      Map of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

      Princes Jagiello and Vitovt, 3/4 Russian ...
    2. Beck
      Beck 15 October 2012 20: 56
      -1
      Kosopuzu.
      Sound and objective. This is patriotism, not urry.
  24. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 15 October 2012 17: 22
    +1
    Quote: JACOB
    Dear you are right, Poland does not plan to fight against Russia and Belarus, for one reason, it’s just that it has been fighting for a long time.

    And he fights, and does not think to lay down arms. Here we also add the street named after Dzhokhar Dudaev in Warsaw, the supply of self-propelled guns "Dana" Sakakashvili, and many, many small ones (for large ones, it seems that there is no mind, no strength!) For which our proud "Panov Slavs" are so much anti-Russian orientation of Polish policy, it makes no sense even to speak! As they say in Russia: - "You can see an owl in flight, but a good fellow in snot!" am

    Quote: JACOB
    Although I am personally a skeptic, and I believe Churchill more (I'm talking about his thesis that Poland is a European hyena) ...


    And, why not believe it, a hyena, it is, a hyena!
  25. mox
    mox 15 October 2012 22: 04
    +1
    Sakhalininsk,
    Proud Psheks will destroy the army of Russian-Belarusian barbarians with lightning emitted from their backsides and clubs of asphyxiating legumes ... laughing Another raving about the greatness and power of the Limitrophic armies, and Poland has been and will be a hyena and a prostitute in Europe for all its modern history.
    Successful runs for pshek with curvimeters on maps .... the main thing is that the races are trained correctly in the western direction.

    Normal for this site, a brainless comment, as always not the essence of the article, but with the frantic pouring of mud on our former allies under the Warsaw Treaty.
    Arrogance, stupidity, vulgarity - this is not patriotism, but so highly praised by general stars on this site. I am ashamed.

    Essentially the article. Valery, do you really think that Poland is making plans to attack Belarus? It is just ridiculous and does not hold water.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 15 October 2012 23: 56
      +1
      that Poland makes plans to attack Belarus? It is just ridiculous and does not hold water.

      Poland is part of NATO, and the most hysterical, in Europe there is a financial crisis, in the states too, so make Poland poor and unhappy, the best representatives of which died (died) under the city - Hero of Smolensk.
      And what do you think, how do they earn new injections into their economy? Only Russophobia, only now it is well paid ...
    2. Beck
      Beck 16 October 2012 00: 41
      -1
      Moss or moxa.

      So it is necessary with comments like yours to somehow remove the dirt of the cheers-patriots.
  26. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 15 October 2012 22: 37
    0
    The Psheks who traveled completely became, what kind of game are they interfering with their original Polish vodyra?
    First, they would sober up, understand that they "cannot go into space" ©, that for Europe they are "drunks in a swamp" and "weekend fuck in Poland". And that all the trouble they got on their drunken heads is the result of their attempts to make Russia a nuisance.
  27. jury08
    jury08 16 October 2012 18: 46
    0
    Here you explain to me - the article above about the Finnish attack on Russians-bullshit and everyone agrees with it, so here it’s the same, just the opposite! Well, you need to look a bit at yourself from the outside.