Why, after four months, the NMD did not destroy the bridges across the Dnieper

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Very often, patriotic bloggers, experts, and even ordinary people who follow the course of the military operation in Ukraine ask themselves questions - why are there still no strikes on bridges across the Dnieper and key transport hubs? Why are strikes not being made on decision-making centers that have been repeatedly announced? How are targets chosen for missile strikes on targets in Ukraine? Let's try to answer these questions.

How are targets selected?


Rocket strikes on targets in Ukraine have already become a kind of hallmark of a military operation, but it is still not clear how the targets are chosen in general? I believe that some will say that “the leadership/general staff knows better”, thus closing any discussions on this topic, but we will still try to express some thoughts on this matter.



It should be noted that when we say "high-precision weapon”, implies not only the accuracy of the hit, but also the accuracy of determining the target. The choice of target is determined primarily by satellite intelligence, strategic intelligence (strategic UAVs), agents on the ground, data from open sources (monitoring of social networks). And there is an opinion that Russia has certain problems in terms of strategic intelligence and agents, the quality of which leaves much to be desired, and that is why missile strikes are delivered, as it seems, haphazardly.

For example, this point of view is shared by political scientist Igor Dimitriev, who notes that Drones they are used, but directly in the combat zone, at the tactical level, and not in the depths of the territory of Ukraine. As for the quality of agents, then, in his opinion, it can be judged by reports that Russians in Ukraine will be met with flowers. There is a certain amount of truth in this opinion, but it is fundamentally erroneous, for the reason that the Russian Federation has the exact coordinates of bridges, communication centers, as well as the notorious "decision-making centers".

Russia's intelligence resources are quite enough to strike at the main control centers and the same bridges. However, these attacks are not delivered. Instead of a missile attack, for example, on a bridge across the Dnieper, an empty administration building in Nikolaev or some kind of House of Culture, where 3-4 Ukrainian MLRS were seen, is being hit. What is more important from a strategic point of view - to destroy the bridge, the destruction of which will complicate the supply of the AFU grouping on the left-bank Ukraine, or to destroy an empty building and 3-4 Ukrainian MLRS? The answer is obvious. However, the bridge is not such an easy goal as many people think. But more on that below.

Why are the bridges across the Dnieper not attacked?


So, let's move on to the main question that was indicated in the title of this article - why is Russia not striking at bridges? After all, this would complicate the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Left-Bank Ukraine and partially paralyze the Ukrainian economy. And, no matter how trite it may sound, the main reason is the lack of such plans: such a task simply did not stand and is not worth it. At the initial stage of the NMD, strikes were not carried out not only on bridges, but also on the barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (which, following military logic, should have been carried out in the first place) for the reason that the original plan of the military operation did not provide for this and was designed for a quick surrender of Ukraine .

This task, apparently, is not worth it even now, but for a slightly different reason - the political leadership of the Russian Federation hopes to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine, the "Istanbul", as it has already been nicknamed, therefore it does not want to completely destroy all the bridges, as in direct , as well as in a figurative sense.

The Kremlin has repeatedly said that they are ready for negotiations if Kyiv accepts Moscow's conditions. What are these requirements - the reader, if desired, can familiarize themselves with them in the American magazine National Interest, which in June published a possible plan for a peaceful settlement of the situation around Ukraine. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov, in comments to the Russian media, confirmed that Russia is ready for negotiations on these conditions, so the plan, with a high probability, can be called real. For the same reason, there are no strikes on the control centers, i.e., decision-making centers in Ukraine.

There is another reason why such strikes are not carried out now, and it is directly related to the industrial potential of Russia, the ability to create rocket munitions. Despite peppy statements that there are enough missiles, it is obvious that the intensity of missile attacks on infrastructure facilities in Ukraine has decreased in recent times. No, Russia has not run out of missiles, of course, but the RF Armed Forces can no longer strike as intensively as they did in the first weeks of the conflict. And the number of missiles needed to guarantee the complete destruction of one bridge is significant. This, in particular, is written by the author of the Fighterbomber Telegram channel:

“There is such a military science, it is called “calculation of the order of forces and means to defeat an object.” Few people have heard about it, and even fewer commanders are guided by it, but it exists. There, according to special formulas, you need to calculate how much is needed to fill up, for example, a bridge, depending on various conditions. Here, depending on the monumentality of the bridge, 8-10 missiles are needed to guarantee the destruction of a bridge of average scall. And all of them must get into the bridge. So you need to throw another 2-3 missiles on the “missed” one. Plus, it is necessary to throw 5-6 more missiles in case of failures of these very missiles and the impact of enemy air defense on these very missiles.

There are not one, not two, or even ten bridges across the Dnieper in Ukraine. In addition to all this, even in the event of the defeat of all railway bridges, automobile bridges will remain (and there are also many of them), so that the supply of the APU grouping on the left bank will not completely stop. Fuel will not reach only civilians, the military will carry it with fuel trucks. This, no doubt, will create a lot of problems for the enemy, but it will not completely cut off the supply.

In general, after four and a half months of the military conflict, it can be stated that the infrastructure of Ukraine has not been completely destroyed - missile strikes cause serious damage, but it is not critical.
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  1. +36
    11 July 2022 16: 05
    The author posed a question, answered it at length, but as a result, even more questions arose ...
    So what is more important? An empty administration building or a bridge? Or "demonstration" blows to stimulate readiness for negotiations, but not to seriously offend?
    We’ll somehow find a dozen rockets for the railway bridge, but for automobiles it’s definitely not enough?
    "create a lot of problems for the enemy" is it not serious?
    1. -6
      11 July 2022 16: 13
      In my opinion, which is more important is obvious. Of course, such attacks must be delivered. It was necessary to inflict them from the very beginning, when missile strikes were delivered much more intensively than now. Now, at best, they will be able to take out one bridge a day (meaning bridges across the Dnieper). But such a goal is not set. I outlined the reasons in the article.
      1. +5
        11 July 2022 17: 02
        Quote: Viktor Biryukov
        In my opinion, which is more important is obvious.

        The question about bridges belongs to the category of questions asked by sofa experts.
        There are a lot of dams across the Dnieper, multi-lane roads go along the dams.
        Do you also propose to destroy them?
        Describe the consequences?
        No. You just don't think about it.
        1. +15
          11 July 2022 22: 45
          In the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbany dam there will be a gateway for all sorts of steamers there, and above it there is the desired destroyed railway crossing. I declare this as a sofa expert.
      2. +21
        11 July 2022 17: 34
        Quote: Viktor Biryukov
        Now, at best, they will be able to take out one bridge a day (meaning bridges across the Dnieper).

        OK then. In view of what you said above, why destroy bridges across the Dnieper and other rivers a little smaller? There are many of these bridges. They all bind objects inside the Outskirts and can be replaced. And if you destroy the bridges connecting the outskirts of the west. There are many fewer of them. Therefore, the consumption of missiles for their destruction will be less. And it is through them that weapons and ammunition are delivered to the outskirts.
        And, importantly, their restoration will not fall on our shoulders due to the fact that, as I understand it, we are not going to take the western Outskirts. Therefore, all bridges, overpasses, tunnels must be subjected to total destruction.
        1. -12
          11 July 2022 23: 22
          I will express my opinion. in discussions about what we can do to Ukraine, it is somehow overlooked, and what they can do to us in response. I foresee the indignation of the urapatriots, but if right before the start of your own it was not possible to adequately assess the situation, then maybe now is the time. in my opinion, if we estimate what is happening, taking into account the past negotiations, taking into account ... let's omit the long calculations here compared to whose Schwarz is longer, but just look at the expectations from the NWO and the current practical result and extrapolate this to a possible serious intensification of the conflict. so perhaps our leadership does not want to face the consequences that may come to us if we begin to greatly intensify strikes deep into Ukrainian territory against their infrastructure. Well, for example, we also have infrastructure.
      3. +1
        11 July 2022 21: 39
        With all due respect, this is nothing. Please write, but don't forget about quality hi
      4. 0
        12 July 2022 13: 33
        Quote: Viktor Biryukov
        In my opinion, which is more important is obvious. Of course, such attacks must be delivered. It was necessary to inflict them from the very beginning, when missile strikes were delivered much more intensively than now. Now, at best, they will be able to take out one bridge a day (meaning bridges across the Dnieper). But such a goal is not set. I outlined the reasons in the article.


        There are a couple more points here.
        From the point of view of international law, all sorts of conventions, the bridge can be interpreted as an object of civilian infrastructure.
        Second thesis. Bridges on the Dnieper in some cases are hydroelectric dams. Attacks on them are fraught with flooding of large territories.

        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ebd9303a23e1560113ee2b6/62628ebec22b006ae2f8ef4e
    2. 0
      11 July 2022 16: 20
      I think Russia is guided by the fact that these bridges will have to be restored later, and this is a slow and costly process) therefore, mainly railway bridges (welded trusses) explode, which can be restored faster) and bridges and infrastructure are blown up and mined by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, realizing that they are leaving forever and leave scorched earth
      1. +24
        11 July 2022 16: 56
        These bridges will still be destroyed by the Ukrainians, if only we get close to them. Or are we not going to get any closer?
    3. +45
      11 July 2022 16: 39
      Medynsky composed this hat! So, if this is true, everything that is written here, then Russia is waiting for a new Khasavyurt. I want to remind the gentlemen of the military and in the Kremlin about those who died in Belgorod during the shelling of civilians
      1. -46
        11 July 2022 17: 04
        Quote: Sergey Shpakov
        I want to remind the gentlemen of the military and in the Kremlin about those who died in Belgorod during the shelling of civilians

        Military commissariat, machine gun, Ukraine.
    4. 0
      14 July 2022 09: 12
      Quote: ian
      We’ll somehow find a dozen rockets for the railway bridge, but for automobiles it’s definitely not enough?
      "create a lot of problems for the enemy" is it not serious?

      so the fact of the matter is that for some large targets, super-accuracy is not needed, and here it would be possible to save Iskanders and Calibers using non-guided missiles such as Tochki-U or Skarb.
  2. -4
    11 July 2022 16: 08
    We will never be brothers, lace underpants don't look like a drunken red flag..
    1. +33
      11 July 2022 16: 16
      Quote: antivirus
      intoxicated

      Watch out for spelling, blunders often turn pathos into a farce ....
    2. +20
      11 July 2022 16: 24
      Quote: antivirus
      We will never be brothers, lace underpants don't look like a drunken red flag..

      We are brothers .. and this is a historical fact .. but further interaction with the Ukrainians will depend on the results of the SO and the policy that the leadership of the Russian Federation is going to pursue. This policy is still not clear and covered in fog ..
  3. -9
    11 July 2022 16: 10
    I agree with the author of the article. hi
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    1. -2
      11 July 2022 16: 22
      You clearly misinterpreted what I wrote. Read more carefully. Bridges MUST be destroyed. But I pointed out that there are reasons why this is not being done (political reasons, there are no such plans) and why it will be more difficult to do this at this stage than at the very beginning of the military operation.
      1. nnm
        +1
        11 July 2022 16: 28
        Victor maybe. In that case, I'm sorry. I will delete my comment now.
      2. +1
        11 July 2022 16: 44
        The author, but are you not embarrassed by the sources on which you rely and do "analytics"? In your opinion, how many missiles are needed to destroy the bridge?
      3. 0
        11 July 2022 21: 54
        and why at this stage it will be more difficult to do it

        I don't understand "why" either. request
  5. +18
    11 July 2022 16: 15
    Well, how could anyone think that in a war it might be necessary to destroy bridges and prepare appropriate weapons for this?
    1. -12
      11 July 2022 17: 29
      Quote: DenVB
      Well, how could anyone think that in a war it might be necessary to destroy bridges

      Well, how could anyone think that AFTER the war, these bridges would have to be restored exclusively by US? And extremely quickly !!
      1. -4
        11 July 2022 17: 46
        Quote: your1970
        Well, how could anyone think that AFTER the war, these bridges would have to be restored exclusively by US? And extremely quickly !!

        This is for different departments. Destruction is for the Defense Ministry and the General Staff. Restoration - I don’t know, probably to the Ministry of Transport and Rosavtodor.
  6. +15
    11 July 2022 16: 18
    You can throw slippers at me, but I see a completely different reason than the lack of missiles or, especially, bombs. The point, it seems, is that in the future it is planned to annex the lion's share of Ukraine in one form or another, and the destruction of such infrastructure can seriously set the potentially loyal part of the population against us. After all, whatever one may say, there will be casualties, violation of civilian, and not just military transportation, and just the type of destruction is unpleasant ... Probably, they would still go for it, but when weighing the pros and cons, they decided to fight military logistics without radical methods.
    1. +9
      11 July 2022 16: 47
      I absolutely agree with you! But if you don't mind, Kanashenkov promised to respond with blows to the decision-making centers! And where are these answers?
      1. -11
        11 July 2022 17: 40
        Quote: Sergey Shpakov
        I absolutely agree with you! But if you don't mind, Kanashenkov promised to respond with blows to the decision-making centers! And where are these answers?

        They are applied. On Ukrainian centers, if you are able to read the news not only on VO, but NOBODY promised you that strikes would be made on "centers" in the USA or Europe.
    2. +22
      11 July 2022 17: 12
      Those. the dying thousands of mobilized Ukrainians are not particularly worried, but if the bridge is destroyed or the railway depot, then everyone is sharply angry. If the same Beskydy tunnel is damaged, then the Ukrainians will be completely offended.
    3. -2
      11 July 2022 17: 17
      Your version has nothing to do with reality. As for the fight against logistics, its effectiveness is currently very low, as you can see. Western weapons reach the front. There is no shortage of fuel in the APU either.
  7. +2
    11 July 2022 16: 19
    In my opinion, the author also receives a "fee" from Bandera, to carry such nonsense, a personal, monetary interest is needed.
    1. 0
      11 July 2022 22: 35
      Looking for "Bandera" under the bed? Do you have any opinion that you do not like immediately becomes zhovtoblakitnym?
  8. +14
    11 July 2022 16: 20
    In general, after four and a half months of the military conflict, it can be stated that the infrastructure of Ukraine has not been completely destroyed - missile strikes cause serious damage, but it is not critical.
    . Well, figured it out, everything became clear ???
    One thing is clear, this is for a long time, the end of the edge is not visible, and how it will come back to haunt us all, you can’t even imagine.
    1. -7
      11 July 2022 16: 48
      Putin said that Russia has not started yet! (
      1. +20
        11 July 2022 17: 04
        There is such a sign ... the one who did not start once, when it was necessary, two times, three .... may not start at all, because without him everyone will finish / finish off.
        And it's NOT FUNNY at all!
  9. -1
    11 July 2022 16: 20
    So the answer to this question has already been given by our supreme. We didn't even start the war.
  10. +33
    11 July 2022 16: 26
    but the ukroreich has no reflection with strikes on infrastructure and decision-making centers,
    the cart is full of information that after receiving HIMARS such strokes became regular and, most importantly, very painful, but no conclusions are drawn.
    and with our leaders everything is according to the principle "no matter what happens", everyone pulls an owl on the globe, justifying the not destroyed infrastructure with some kind of humanity, some kind of civilians who will not be able to leave for Europe and undermine their economic power there (well bullshit - but people hawala), some kind of our attack on Western Ukraine, when the bridges come in handy. At the top, apparently, it’s very hard to understand that when and IF we suddenly crawl to the Dnieper (and at such a pace, at least clean up the Donbass with grief in half), then the dill will blow up all the bridges themselves, as it has already happened dozens of times in the Donbass. And this humanity is painfully expensive and is paid for by the lives of our soldiers.
    1. +3
      11 July 2022 22: 12
      Unfortunately, but you are right!
  11. +10
    11 July 2022 16: 35
    ... it takes 8-10 missiles to guarantee the destruction of an average scall bridge. And all of them must get into the bridge. So you need to throw another 2-3 rockets on the “missed” one. Plus, it is necessary to throw 5-6 more missiles in case of failures of these very missiles and the impact of enemy air defense on these very missiles "...
    Excuse me, but do you consider strategic aviation and bombing from heights inaccessible to Ukrainian air defense at all? The bridge is not a MLRS in a residential area and is perfectly destroyed by bombing from high altitudes.
    1. -9
      11 July 2022 16: 46
      The destroyed span of the bridge is being restored quickly, you hit the bulls from 10 km and destroy it from the bottom first, from the sofa it is oh how everything is seen
      1. +22
        11 July 2022 16: 52
        And in your opinion (on your couch) is it better not to touch them at all? Missiles are expensive, bombs are ineffective, saboteurs are not possible. Let weapons continue to flow across the bridges to kill our soldiers and civilians.
        1. -4
          11 July 2022 16: 56
          I’m a nice person who deserved my sofa, and from Gudeomes, politely saying thank you, they sent me home, so don’t touch my sofa. Bridges must be beaten, but beaten wisely, but now there are other priority targets.
          1. +15
            11 July 2022 17: 01
            Many people deserve their own sofa, not only you. It is not nice to trump your merits to a stranger. The conversation is over, I have the honor.
            1. -7
              11 July 2022 17: 02
              And I, dear, do not trump, but expressed my point of view, or is it forbidden here?
    2. +4
      11 July 2022 17: 14
      from heights inaccessible to defeat by Ukrainian air defense

      Have all Ukrainian S-300s and Buks already been destroyed? Alas..
    3. +4
      11 July 2022 17: 30
      ... from heights inaccessible to defeat by Ukrainian air defense

      Do you think that we have bomb carriers capable of flying above 27000 m?
    4. +1
      12 July 2022 12: 00
      If it were possible to use strategic aviation (and aviation in general), Ukraine would have already been rolled out with carpet bombing with just ordinary bombs, model 1946. That's the problem, we can't.
  12. +5
    11 July 2022 16: 50
    Quote: Leshak
    ... it takes 8-10 missiles to guarantee the destruction of an average scall bridge. And all of them must get into the bridge. So you need to throw another 2-3 rockets on the “missed” one. Plus, it is necessary to throw 5-6 more missiles in case of failures of these very missiles and the impact of enemy air defense on these very missiles "...
    Excuse me, but do you consider strategic aviation and bombing from heights inaccessible to Ukrainian air defense at all? The bridge is not a MLRS in a residential area and is perfectly destroyed by bombing from high altitudes.

    And how "high altitudes" are needed so that the S-300 does not get it?
  13. +13
    11 July 2022 16: 51
    The author turned out like in an old joke about an overcoat - either he stole it, or it was stolen from him ... there is no decision or no missiles, but we don’t hit. The saddest thing is that when our advanced forces approach these bridges, the banderlogs will blow them up without any doubts and pangs of conscience.
  14. -11
    11 July 2022 16: 53
    Guys, dear moles, this is war. Missiles to spend on the bridge - bad. It is better to shoot it at the crowd of fascists. But we have the coolest planes and bombs of the Second World War in the world, capable of getting Hitler from the most fortified reinforced concrete bunkers of Königsberg ... from Melitopol to Belarus. And back with the same "hello"...
  15. +16
    11 July 2022 17: 07
    There is such a military science, it is called "calculation of the outfit of forces and means to defeat an object"

    All spent missiles will pay off with a vengeance, victories over the enemy on the battlefield. Costs and losses on our part will be many times greater if we allow weapons, ammunition and reinforcements to the enemy on the battlefield. Stupid article and explanations are no good. Learn history, how much benefit and help the partisans brought in bringing victory closer. Which blew up bridges and did not let the German echelons go to the front. There were no rockets back then. No one spared the bridges, although they were ours, in the occupied territory. It is easier to rebuild bridges later than to suffer irreparable losses.
  16. 0
    11 July 2022 17: 10
    The answer is simple - because the Russian Federation is not the United States.
  17. +13
    11 July 2022 17: 15
    God bless them with bridges across the Dnieper. And how many railway lines connect Ukraine with Europe? Miser. Beat daily along these paths and everyone will be happy. Of course, it’s not primitive along the rail track, hitting small bridges, transformer substations, etc., experts will tell you where. With regard to vehicles will bring up - it's unscientific fiction.
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  19. +12
    11 July 2022 17: 22
    On bridges, not only weapons are being transported .. and import and export is carried out, not war, NWO. CBO, CBO, and trading on schedule
  20. +4
    11 July 2022 17: 27
    And what does the political scientist I. Dimitriev have to do with undercover intelligence in order to talk about its quality? What is he, an employee of the information and analytical unit? Or an operations officer? Even an ex? Or are daily situation reports sent to him for evaluation? Honestly, I'm sick of such "deep" analytical conclusions ... Former UAR officer.
  21. +9
    11 July 2022 17: 28
    Destroying the bridge is difficult. But why destroy what is difficult when you can destroy what is easy? Railroad electrical substation. They are stationary, their coordinates are known, they are complex and expensive, and it is not easy to restore them. The bridge can be built with a pontoon. The electrical substation cannot be restored. Where can I get the equipment in the stall representing Ukraine today? 1500 electric locomotives will stop, and the remaining 300 diesel locomotives will not be enough for any, especially. then the western regions of Ukraine, the railways are not electrified. That is, they are already busy there, and for the entire length of the roads ..... Production will stop, repairs at the depot.
    1. -4
      11 July 2022 17: 53
      Quote: Crispy
      1500 electric locomotives will stop, and the remaining 300 diesel locomotives will not be enough for any

      There were already photographs, they drag short trains with armored vehicles, even shunting diesel locomotives.
  22. +2
    11 July 2022 17: 30
    Why blow up bridges across the Dnieper at all? If they break bridges, then in the west of Ukraine, so that nothing to / from Europe could neither leave nor arrive.
  23. +12
    11 July 2022 17: 30
    With all these negotiations, I have one question. For several years in a row, we were told that the non-recognition of Donbass (and the failure to provide official military assistance) is due to the fact that we need all of Ukraine, and not just Donbass. True, lately this has been "forgotten". Now it turns out that we only need the recognition of Donbass and Crimea (well, now, maybe Kherson and Zaplozhye) and the promises of official Kyiv to demilitarize and denazify. (Although it is very reminiscent of Khosavyurt). Question: why did the people of Donbass suffer for eight years? Why are our guys dying now, if in 2014 all this could have been solved by recognizing Donbass and demanding that Ukrainian troops be pulled out of there?
    1. -7
      11 July 2022 19: 28
      Who and when from the top officials of the country from 2014 to February 2022 publicly said that Russia does not recognize the LPR and does not provide assistance to the republics because all of Ukraine is needed? Do you have any links to these speeches/statements?
      1. +1
        11 July 2022 23: 17
        This was said, indeed, not by officials, but through central channels. And NOT A SINGLE denial or explanation from officials followed.
        1. -3
          11 July 2022 23: 31
          Quote: U. Cheny
          NOT A SINGLE denial or clarification from officials followed

          This means nothing. In fact, it could mean anything.
  24. +1
    11 July 2022 17: 37
    Some targets were not hit because the command decided not to destroy them. "Why" it decided so - it does not matter at all, what matters is the result that the command planned. Our command WANTS the enemy to use bridges. This is a fact that can be argued, and successfully ... but it remains a fact.
    On the other hand, what forces does the enemy maneuver? If you believe the briefings, then the enemy has such insignificant forces that he simply cannot maneuver - all his forces are involved in direct clashes and, because of this, they simply cannot simultaneously be on the battlefield and maneuver deep in the territory FOR the Dnieper. If these briefings are true, then there really is no point in destroying the bridges. And the briefings are certainly true, right?
    Or maybe the bridges are not destroyed because they simply cannot be destroyed. Technically. There are many bridges, Calibers are not suitable for destroying bridges, we need 500+ kg air bombs, that is, many sorties. And on all bridges. With corresponding losses. This is unrealistic in real life. The Soviet government built so many facilities that it is unrealistic for Russian aviation to smash them.
    Finally, maybe they just need to be left? For those people who live in the country where the Dnieper flows? No matter how it was called by enemies, friends and residents. I like the last option the best.
    But who asked me?
    1. +3
      12 July 2022 12: 30
      “....Finally, maybe they just need to be left? For those people who live in the country where the Dnieper flows? No matter how it was called by enemies, friends and residents. “


      A couple of months after the next “peace treaty”, Bandera with javelins under their arms will climb in crowds again to fight in the Donbass ...
      I would prefer that they swim across the Dnieper, and not ride comfortably on hummers and tanks
      1. -1
        14 July 2022 21: 18
        I also believe that our children should get a world without Bandera
        And I also believe that if we are going to fight Bandera by destroying bridges, then we will never win.
  25. +11
    11 July 2022 17: 41
    Quote: Third District
    It is easier to rebuild bridges later than to suffer irreparable losses.


    "It was not about the reel ...... AND NOT IN THE BRIDGES.
    First you need to answer questions that are "not customary to ask" and on which it is "not customary" to write articles.

    1. How to relate to the main official theses about the causes of the collapse of the USSR? - - "stop feeding the republics, Lenin laid a mine, the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes, there were no cows and meat industry in the USSR ..."
    They are normal, logical, these theses? Even if there is such a problem that there are no cows in the country, should it be divided into 15 parts? And create a sovereign Ukraine?

    2. How to relate to the 8-year hard struggle for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, after the words of Poroshenko: "The Minsk agreements were a way to contain Russia while Ukraine was creating powerful Armed Forces of Ukraine. In 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 6 thousand contract soldiers."

    After the answers, you can also talk about bridges.
    1. -8
      11 July 2022 17: 56
      Quote: ivan2022
      stop feeding the republic

      There was such a slogan. And what, the Baltic states with Georgia and others - they didn’t feed them intensively, at the expense of the same RSFSR?

      Quote: ivan2022
      Lenin laid a mine

      controversial thesis. But the right to "self-determination up to the exit" was laid down precisely under Lenin.

      Quote: ivan2022
      The USSR did not produce anything except galoshes

      It was about TNP. Yes, there were not enough of them in the USSR.

      Quote: ivan2022
      there were no cows and meat industry in the USSR

      No, there were cows ... only there was a problem with meat.

      Quote: Joke, 80s
      We are advancing towards communism by leaps and bounds. And the cattle is lagging behind

      Remember, if age allows wink

      Quote: ivan2022
      How to relate to 8 years of hard struggle for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, after the words of Poroshenko

      Poroshenko is the same troll as... well, here you are, for example. These eight years were needed to prepare the Russian Federation for an economic war. And, it seems, it worked.

      And the "prepared" Armed Forces of Ukraine are now raking from a three times smaller grouping of the RF Armed Forces. Victory, oh my Yes
      1. +2
        11 July 2022 18: 33
        And what if in the USSR "there was a slogan", but there was no meat, should the country be divided into 15 parts?
        By the way, have you ever wondered where the meat came from and "the market was saturated" and how it was "Gaidar saved the country"?
        Where did everything in each of the republics suddenly come from that, as it were, "wasn't there"?

        About Poroshenko. Prove that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were strong in 2014. You just have to explain why they immediately gave up Crimea and why in 2014 and 2015 they were beaten by the DPR and LPR police? Until the signing in 2015 of the protocol of the Minsk agreements?

        Be more specific please. I am writing about the specifics, and not like you: "" Russia should have ...". You, I guess, are not the Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation Mishustin?
        1. -2
          11 July 2022 18: 36
          Quote: ivan2022
          And what if in the USSR "there was a slogan", but there was no meat, should the country be divided into 15 parts?

          No.

          Quote: ivan2022
          About Poroshenko. Prove that the APU were strong in 2014

          I didn't say such nonsense. This is what you said Yes

          Quote: Repellent
          These eight years were needed to prepare the RF to economic war. And it seems to have worked

          Read again. Digest. Then, if you want, ask more questions.
          1. -2
            11 July 2022 18: 55
            Poroshenko is not a troll. He is the ex-president of Ukraine.
            Refute .... .. And be more specific. I absolutely do not care if you consider him a troll or not.

            And as for the "economic preparation of the Russian Federation" - specifically indicate what successes the country has achieved in 8 years. Compared to other countries in the world. What specifically was not in its economy in 2014, what is it now?

            You don't have specifics. To understand this, read again what I wrote earlier.

            So: It's too early for me to ask more questions. You didn’t answer the first ones either, except for “throwing show-offs” on the topic of the “right of self-determination”.
            1. -2
              11 July 2022 19: 15
              Quote: ivan2022
              about the "economic preparation of the Russian Federation"

              You are so diligently pretending that you do not understand what they are telling you, that I almost believed you. wink laughing

              If you remember, in 2014 there was an episode with the arrival of a certain Burkhalter, after which Putin "mothballed" the Donbass and curtailed his activity in Ukraine? What was it?

              In order not to multiply the essence, I will assume that Putin was warned about the consequences. Those same 11000+ sanctions that we have today.

              The Russian Federation at that time was with them absolutely not ready.

              It was the Russian Federation that needed 8 years precisely to prepare for the ongoing economic war with the so-called "Western world". The fact that Putin did start this war suggests that the preparations are (more or less) over.

              Quote: ivan2022
              It's too early for me to ask more questions. You didn't answer the first one either.

              Dude, the right question is half the answer. You haven’t even come close yet, on the contrary, you are distorting, making (my) “economic preparation of the Russian Federation” out of “preparing the Russian Federation for an economic war”, “what successes the country has achieved in 8 years” (your “option”).

              Do you also play cards? Still unfamiliar with a candlestick?
  26. +7
    11 July 2022 19: 21
    ready for negotiations if Kyiv accepts Moscow's conditions. What are these requirements - the reader, if desired, can familiarize themselves with them in the American National Interest magazine

    The demands were simple - surrender, disband the army

    Davolno naive (and no one seriously considered) proposal, given the current situation. The Sumerians have no reason to capitulate. More precisely, there is a reason only in the humanitarian aspect, it will prevent all further victims. But in practice, this is not enough to force Zelensky to stop senseless resistance.
  27. +1
    11 July 2022 19: 36
    Quote: DenVB
    Quote: Crispy
    1500 electric locomotives will stop, and the remaining 300 diesel locomotives will not be enough for any

    There were already photographs, they drag short trains with armored vehicles, even shunting diesel locomotives.

    How many are there? Fewer highways? Shunting moves - idle in one direction, dispatching, control, short trains - this is an increase in their number. Inter-trip intervals were 15 minutes, will become 6. Red traffic lights at the entrance arrows. Parking lots at the entrance, busy paths. Do you even have an idea about the work of railway transport, or have you seen this work from the window of the car? The work has already been accelerated to the limit in modern conditions, and you are proposing to double it.
  28. +1
    11 July 2022 19: 47
    Quote: ivan2022
    Poroshenko is not a troll. He is the ex-president of Ukraine.
    Refute .... .. And be more specific. I absolutely do not care if you consider him a troll or not.

    And as for the "economic preparation of the Russian Federation" - specifically indicate what successes the country has achieved in 8 years. Compared to other countries in the world. What specifically was not in its economy in 2014, what is it now?

    You don't have specifics. To understand this, read again what I wrote earlier.

    So: It's too early for me to ask more questions. You didn’t answer the first ones either, except for “throwing show-offs” on the topic of the “right of self-determination”.

    During this time, the MAIN thing was done - Abroad did what we could not do, making every effort. And, precisely, it stopped the leakage of dough abroad. Both from the state pido-democratic economic sector of the country, and from the oligarchs. By arresting the accounts of both. They forced us to pay for energy in the amount and in the currency that Russia needs. If you want, enslaving the entire EU economy and subjugating it with your energy supplies. I will not write about the time won and used to restore the military sector of production. Can you show a picture of equal meaning, but for the period you are asking about? It would be nice to compare...

  29. +1
    11 July 2022 19: 55
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: ivan2022
    about the "economic preparation of the Russian Federation"

    You are so diligently pretending that you do not understand what they are telling you, that I almost believed you. wink laughing

    If you remember, in 2014 there was an episode with the arrival of a certain Burkhalter, after which Putin "mothballed" the Donbass and curtailed his activity in Ukraine? What was it?

    In order not to multiply the essence, I will assume that Putin was warned about the consequences. Those same 11000+ sanctions that we have today.

    The Russian Federation at that time was with them absolutely not ready.

    It was the Russian Federation that needed 8 years precisely to prepare for the ongoing economic war with the so-called "Western world". The fact that Putin did start this war suggests that the preparations are (more or less) over.

    Quote: ivan2022
    It's too early for me to ask more questions. You didn't answer the first one either.

    Dude, the right question is half the answer. You haven’t even come close yet, on the contrary, you are distorting, making (my) “economic preparation of the Russian Federation” out of “preparing the Russian Federation for an economic war”, “what successes the country has achieved in 8 years” (your “option”).

    Do you also play cards? Still unfamiliar with a candlestick?

    . Your nerves are naughty .... this is not good ....
    BUT you have no specifics, as it was not. And at first you seem to have taken it upon yourself to answer the questions .... and now you see .. and the questions are not like that. .

    Thesis: "since the SO has begun (about" Putin started the war "you will explain it elsewhere ....), then we are ready" .. heh. heh...
    It's an amazing masterpiece of logic. ....

    For comparison, I will point out SPECIFICALLY that over the period 2014 - 2021, GDP (Gross Domestic Product) in dollars increased in Cuba and Kazakhstan, while in the Russian Federation it fell .... .

    So tell your pearls like "preparing for an economic war" in kindergarten. Prepared for the economic war so that hundreds of billions remained in the West.

    In short, good, you amused me, but good - little by little ...
    1. -6
      11 July 2022 20: 25
      Opanki... you kind of answered me, but not me. That's real - your habits resemble the habits of such a young, novice troll love

      Quote: ivan2022
      Thesis: "since the SO started (about" Putin started the war "you will explain it elsewhere ....)

      Understand. This stage is called "denial". I'm not in a hurry, after a while we will return to this topic.

      See you and good luck on the way Yes laughing
  30. -1
    11 July 2022 20: 08
    How many cruise missiles does one Dagger replace?
  31. +1
    11 July 2022 20: 43
    All this is very strange. Why then do we need aviation? Including strategic? Air bombs?
  32. +2
    11 July 2022 21: 03
    KAB-500Kr are perfectly able to work out bridges. So the reference to the lack of missiles is a so-so excuse. The leadership must have a desire, and an order. IMHO
  33. +6
    11 July 2022 23: 35
    The article is strange and very "looks" like "custom" ... To justify someone's shortcomings, miscalculations, outright sabotage, "covering" them with strange "common military sense", the logic of war and the difficulties of the post-war restoration of territories .... Strange reasoning. .. Although ... And how will the author explain the existence, so far, of "logistical chains" along which heavy weapons, ammunition, spare parts for the Air Force, food are "rushing" from the West + the USA to the theater of operations? Or did we decide in this "war" to "run in" the personnel of the RF Armed Forces, according to the Syrian model, and test new types of weapons and military equipment? Then you can forget about the "Ukrainian liberation campaign" and see off the "Black Tulips" to Russia for months. And I'm not talking about "leavened patriotism" and not about "sofa" experts. I'm talking about the elementary logic of war, tactical thinking, at the level of a platoon commander, who, after a week of fighting, understands that hitting "area" is costly and stupid, but for targets - you need coordinates or a quadcopter with a TV camera, at least one per battery. ..
  34. +2
    12 July 2022 03: 13
    In general, after four and a half months of the military conflict, it can be stated that the infrastructure of Ukraine has not been completely destroyed.

    It’s not even surprising, well, what is this NWO like Afghanistan and Chechnya showed that political impotence is an integral part of all military conflicts of the modern Russian Federation ....
  35. +3
    12 July 2022 04: 55
    1. Destroy bridges - you can. And we have the means to do so.
    2. Us from the first weeks of CBO they say that we have air supremacy, and the enemy’s air defense is almost suppressed. The conclusion is simple: bombardment. Though Tu-22, even Tu-95. And - not single sorties, but permanent ones. This will interfere with the restoration of bridges / crossings. We use bombs during NWO, to put it mildly, sporadically.
    3. If our leadership still starts negotiations, despite the unachieved goals of the NWO, it will be a betrayal. I think we at the top understand this.
  36. +6
    12 July 2022 06: 50
    standard podliz for the Kremlin propaganda. Although I agree that the Kremlin is still hoping to make peace so as not to anger the partners and save everything that the partners have not yet stolen from them (I'm talking about personal things they have in the West) All this explains that the authorities of both sides don't give a damn about people, they act only for their own interests.
    The intensity of shelling has fallen not only from the fact that there are not enough missiles, but also from low efficiency, because intelligence does not see anything along the way.
    In general, I get the impression that the General Staff of the Russian Federation, under the vigilant control of the Kremlin, are constantly fighting, adjusting to the tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their curators, so that it would be more convenient and calmer for them to defend themselves and even advance in places. Remind me, were there any unexpected operations for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that would force them to expose the front and redeploy forces in a fire order? If something was similar, it was only because of the high losses, but in general, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, oddly enough, dictate the course of the battles.
    And even if, for the sake of your partners, you are pissing to destroy bridges across the Dnieper, take care of the railway infrastructure in such a way that traffic jams from military echelons would form in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And we saw videos of how the Armed Forces of Ukraine transport equipment, they don’t even mask it, because the RF Armed Forces have nothing to cover the moving trains with: aviation doesn’t fly over Ukraine and you can’t hit it with a caliber. Well, you can hit the already accumulated echelons with something heavy ..
  37. +3
    12 July 2022 07: 41
    Our Ministry of Defense has shown us well what will happen in the event of strikes on bridges using the example of a bridge outside Odessa. Missiles were spent on the bridge, and after a short period of time the blow had to be repeated because the bridge was being restored quickly, this was then repeated several more times. This is just one bridge, and there are dozens of them across the Dnieper, in addition, there is still a pontoon park. Hundreds of cruise missiles are needed to solve this problem, and strikes will need to be repeated at least twice a month. Probably just not enough resources to carry out such an operation.
  38. +3
    12 July 2022 09: 10
    Because there are not advertised agreements between the authorities.
  39. -2
    12 July 2022 10: 30
    Most likely, the task was not set.
    For the bridge can be bang not only with accurate and expensive missiles.
    It is possible to carry out carpet bombing with the help of not the most advanced aircraft using conventional high-explosive bombs.
    Not as effective, but the goals are achievable.
    Bridges are protected. For myself, for the future.
    But... the Rubicon can be crossed at an unkind hour.
  40. 0
    12 July 2022 11: 55
    And specifically someone can answer - WHY?
  41. -1
    12 July 2022 12: 02
    In addition to bridges, there are also dams of reservoirs that cannot be destroyed, but you can drive on them. That is, strikes on bridges, if they are not devoid of any special meaning at all, then they will not have the effect that is expected from such strikes.
  42. 0
    12 July 2022 12: 33
    First, the number of missile strikes has clearly not decreased. Secondly, the author, what kind of illiterate expression is "at the last time"? Maybe lately?
  43. -3
    12 July 2022 15: 12
    why are there still no strikes on bridges across the Dnieper and key transport hubs?

    The answer is simple - we ourselves will need them.
  44. 0
    12 July 2022 15: 22
    Our Yegorka has only excuses
  45. AB
    +2
    12 July 2022 17: 53
    Interesting position of the author. Ask a question yourself, answer it yourself and justify the absence of strategic goals in the rear of Ukraine. So let them endlessly bring ammunition and equipment. They fire endlessly, causing damage to our troops and the population of Donbass. Waiting for negotiations with Ukraine and the signing of an act of surrender is a useless exercise. And yet, Russia leaves Transnistria to be torn to pieces by the Nazis? Now there is no land or air corridor to maintain the PMR. As long as there is no such corridor, it is not possible to talk about any peace with Ukraine.
    I'm just afraid that such Wishlist does not fit into the plans of those in power. They have their own, and narrowly focused, vision of all problems.
  46. -2
    12 July 2022 18: 18
    Bridge strikes occur during retreat. Even deep behind enemy lines in order to stop the supply. What are you talking about? Then residents on ferries, and us on pontoon bridges?
  47. 0
    12 July 2022 18: 19
    Quote: Viktor Biryukov
    You clearly misinterpreted what I wrote. Read more carefully. Bridges MUST be destroyed. But I pointed out that there are reasons why this is not being done (political reasons, there are no such plans) and why it will be more difficult to do this at this stage than at the very beginning of the military operation.

    Are you talking about technical complexity? But there are simply no political-tactical difficulties now, and this is more important. And the Ukrainians themselves lifted the ban on the destruction of bridges.
  48. +1
    12 July 2022 18: 21
    Some kind of nonsense in the style of a Soviet political officer - about everything in general and nothing specific.
  49. 0
    12 July 2022 18: 22
    Quote: Sergej1972
    First, the number of missile strikes has clearly not decreased. Secondly, the author, what kind of illiterate expression is "at the last time"? Maybe lately?

    This word is not used by the military. A sailor does not need to be taught how to pronounce the word "comPass" correctly.
  50. +1
    12 July 2022 18: 33
    Quote: dmitriy_2
    How many cruise missiles does one Dagger replace?

    How many chisels can be equated to a hammer? These pieces are for different purposes and are used in different conditions. What the hell to spend on, say, Caliber for 200 km? Something lighter would be better here. Iskander does not have such a range, and it cannot be inserted into a submarine's torpedo tube. The dagger cannot be launched from a standing platform. He needs an initial high speed. Each vegetable has its own purpose and its own time.
  51. +1
    12 July 2022 21: 20
    This article smacks of fifth columnism. Regularly bomb bridges and communications and stop children's fairy tales
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  54. 0
    13 July 2022 18: 08
    We are waiting to be called to be friends again. After all, our sons and daughters live there (at sunny azure resorts) and work in their corporations (far from ordinary positions)
  55. +1
    13 July 2022 18: 33
    Isn’t it easier to create a nightmare for the railway infrastructure (stations, bridges, tunnels) in western Ukraine? You can’t deliver much on trucks alone... It seems that there were arrivals, the dill was restored, it’s time to repeat it.
  56. -1
    13 July 2022 20: 06
    If the goal is to preserve the infrastructure in the expectation that the territory will be occupied by our troops and the bridges themselves will be useful, then at first glance there is logic in this. But if you analyze what happens to the infrastructure of the cities that the Ukrainian Armed Forces leave behind, it is destroyed and the same fate awaits the bridges. We can conclude that there is no need to rely on the safety of the bridges after the retreat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and I consider it completely justified to strike the logistics infrastructure behind enemy lines.
  57. +1
    14 July 2022 00: 12
    Cool explanation, you need a lot of missiles to destroy bridges. And what’s the point, they say, they will carry fuel trucks. Maybe then we shouldn’t shoot down the Ukrainian rockets, new ones will still arrive? And hope for negotiations - with whom? Who gave the order for massive attacks on the cities and villages of the LDPR? With the one we came to disarm and punish?! Put it simply - they screwed up from the very beginning, and now they don’t know how to straighten everything out.
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  59. 0
    14 July 2022 08: 40
    Besides the fact that we really don’t have many high-precision weapons, the author Viktor Biryukov wrote complete nonsense. About bridges: the main bridges across the Dnieper are not attacked because there is another option for our troops to use them, this is the most important of all reasons.
    As for the calculation of forces and means: Such nonsense... the calculation of forces and means during the organization of any type of battle is a mandatory item in the work of every commander according to the Combat Regulations!!! Not only is this done without fail, it is also necessarily displayed in combat graphic documents, starting with the commander’s Work Card!!! Which, in turn, are signed by him and approved by the senior military commander!!! Because for all this there are all types of liability, including criminal. There is no need to invent anything, open the Combat Manual and read the section: The work procedure of a unit commander after receiving a combat mission))))))
    1. -2
      14 July 2022 22: 51
      Do the Russian Army know that this is the XNUMXst century?
  60. 0
    14 July 2022 11: 24
    The political leadership of the Russian Federation hopes to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine, “Istanbul”, as it has already been nicknamed...

    How then can we understand Putin’s repeated statements that the task of the Northern Military District is complete denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine and will this problem be solved? How can it be implemented if the government in Ukraine, with which it is planned to negotiate (there is no other government there), remains in power with Bandera and pro-Bandera bastards?
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  62. 0
    16 July 2022 13: 08
    The catchphrase about “burning bridges” fits here. Apparently, the fifth column still has not lost hope of betraying Russia, in exchange for what they acquired through “backbreaking labor” in the 90s and agreeing to surrender. That's why there are so many questions and no answers to them.
  63. 0
    21 July 2022 00: 02
    Apparently, Ukrainians do not read propaganda articles justifying the absence of attacks on bridges. Therefore, they are successfully hitting the bridge in Kherson, the destruction of which will interfere with the supply of the Russian group and will affect the morale of the Kherson residents...
    Or maybe they read it the other way around? And then they immediately demonstrate how far these excuses are from reality?
    “There is such a military science, it’s called “calculating the number of forces and means to destroy an object” - the Ukrainians seem to know. And they have enough khimars for this...
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