The German publication reports that the PzH 2000 self-propelled guns fell into the hands of the Russian military

Ukrainian troops have already lost one of the transferred German self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000, the self-propelled guns were shot down in the Donbass. This is stated in the plot of the German "Bild".

The German publication complains that Germany did not have time to deliver a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000 to Ukraine, as the Russian military had already knocked out one self-propelled gun. Moreover, according to Bild, this was done with the help of a German grenade launcher, also supplied to the Ukrainian army. The knocked-out howitzer, called one of the most "expensive and high-tech" self-propelled guns in the world, is allegedly already being studied by the Russian military.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz wants to double the military budget. But Germany is not at war with anyone, and in fact the Germans are paying for weapon for Ukraine. Which ends up with the Russians. (...) Germany is losing money and technology (...) How much more will you have to pay for Ukraine, what will be the price for the Germans?

- asks the publication.

On June 23, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov announced that Ukraine received a batch of 155-mm German self-propelled artillery installations PzH 2000. In total, Kyiv received 12 installations, seven of which were supplied by Germany and five more by the Netherlands. In addition, the Germans prepared Ukrainian crews for self-propelled guns. The training was conducted in Germany. The deliveries of the PzH 2000 were not completed at this point, the Germans announced the transfer of an additional batch of howitzers to Kyiv.

Earlier, Caesar announced in France that two 155-mm self-propelled wheeled artillery mounts fell into the hands of the Russian military. And the message of the Russian concern "Uralvagonzavod" to Macron, in which "UVZ" asks to convey "thank you" for the transferred howitzers, caused a scandal in Paris. If the information is confirmed with the German PzH 2000, then a scandal is possible in Berlin.

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[iouris]

If only the Mistral helicopter carrier would be installed ...

[-ш-]

across the Belarusian sea

[gansales]

Quote: -sh-

across the Belarusian sea

And the Belomor Canal ..)))
There will still be quite a few trophies .. Come on, Scholz, go for it, and the debriefing with the Germans will also be serious ..

[2 Level Advisor]

the Germans and 45 were dismantled and now we will analyze ..

[NIKN]

Peace in Europe was when the border between the USSR and Germany passed through Berlin, probably they are striving for peace, they would need help. restore peace in Europe.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: NIKNN

Peace in Europe was when the border between the USSR and Germany passed through Berlin, probably they are striving for peace, they would need help

It won't work, the pizza advertiser is still at large and gifted with Russian honors

[Machito]

Quote: NIKNN

Peace in Europe was when the border between the USSR and Germany passed through Berlin, probably they are striving for peace, they would need help. restore peace in Europe.

There was peace in Europe when the Cossacks in Parisian cafes banged their checkers on the bar and shouted: Quick drink.

[anclevalico]

With such command? How many days do you think Stalin would give to eliminate the shelling of our territory and Donetsk? And something, I have no doubt that they would have eliminated ...

[bulgaria_]

how much guys? and peaceful? I acted so firmly only towards Japan. They are already addicted to nuclear

[Madjestik85]

we can repeaters are now very lacking in the Donbass, after the start of the NWO, they all disappeared somewhere ...

[Ilya-spb]

Trophies to study and transfer to the museum, in Kubinka.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Trophies to study and transfer to the museum, in Kubinka.

There is an exhibit in Kubinka, the M48 tank, an Israeli modification with an English 105mm cannon. How did it appear there.
This gun interested our military, how does it take our T-62 in the forehead?
In 1982, during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, a group of our special forces was sent with the task of driving the M48 on the move and with a working gun.
They drove, M48 with a wedged turret turned 90 degrees. The commandos were told that in this form he would not climb into the plane, let's cut the gun. The captain replied that he would rather let his penis be cut than this gun.
After that, the special forces left and drove the second tank with a working turret ...
(How an expert from the armored academy fucked up with that tank, this is a separate story. Either he couldn’t get him out of the plane, then after loading onto a trailer he couldn’t turn off the engine, so they took him with a working one ... The infantry special forces did not have such problems)

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

How an expert from the armored academy fucked up with that tank is another story.

Please send a link to the story.
It is very interesting to know on what plane they were transported.
This is a professional interest.
The fact is that the width of the M48 is 3632mm, and the width of the cargo compartment of the IL 76 is 3460mm.
That's why I'm wondering on which plane they were transported.
ps And they directly drove him through all of Syria to an airfield with a jammed tower?)

[dzvero]

It is very interesting to know on what plane they were transported.

Most likely they were transported to the An-22. There is a hatch 4.3 x 4.1 m. The carrying capacity is also enough.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: dzvero

carried on the An-22.

So.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Please send a link to the story.

For example, one of the many (if interested, look for yourself)
https://topwar.ru/96312-istoriya-izrailskogo-tanka-magah-3-v-kubinke.html?ysclid=l55ivrcn22316639052

[futurohunter]

Captain Pushkin
M48 with a wedged turret rotated 90 degrees

And what, the tower could not be removed before loading onto the plane? And what are the problems with turning off the engine of a tank? Or was there a secret control and a super duper secret engine on the miracle tank? Just some tales! Was it really that difficult with the tank? Especially with the M-48, which were used in Vietnam (and not only there)? Surely, they were still there studied by ours and did not represent secrets. And in 1982, the M-48s were already obsolete

[Jager]

Amazing story time

[TreeSmall]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

It is very interesting to know on what plane they were transported.

just on the Soviet transport. no clarifications

Quote: Captain Pushkin

This gun interested our military, how does it take our T-62 in the forehead?

Israeli ex-British Centurions were first delivered in 1959. They immediately upgraded it with a 105mm L7 cannon instead of the original 20-pounder and renamed them Sho't ("scourge" or "scourge"). When the Six Day War broke out in 1967, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had 293 Centurion/Sho't tanks
-not a gun, but ERA BLAZER interested
-and not T-62, but T-72
Result: it was decided to urgently strengthen the design of the unified EDZ 4S20 + forehead of the T-72 hull with an additional armor plate (like T-72B-1)

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And they directly drove him through all of Syria to an airfield with a jammed tower?)

There was evidence on Facebook of a former Soviet soldier, Vyacheslav Dubinin, who claimed that it was he who drove the tank from Lebanon to the Damascus airport, from where it was taken to the USSR.
There, it seems, 3 or 4 were captured, incl. everything was fine with the towers

At the end of June, a group of engineers from our Research Institute of Steel, which included me, was urgently sent to Kubinka. On one of the sites of the local Research Institute of Armored Vehicles, there was an intact Israeli M48 tank with a complex of "explosive reactive armor" - ERA BLAZER. During the fighting in the Sultan Yaakub area on the night of June 10-11, the Syrians managed to capture several Israeli tanks completely unscathed. A few days later, one of these trophies was delivered to the USSR, and we began to explore it.

Only after this, the top military leadership of the USSR, it became clear that without dynamic protection it was impossible to ensure the survival of tanks on the battlefield with the massive use of a huge arsenal of various anti-tank cumulative and armor-piercing sabots. And our department actually moved to work on a wartime schedule - with virtually no days off and vacations, according to 10 – 12 hours a day.

[Urs]

Familiar story .
Of course, everything was not quite right or not at all, but the essence is the same if we need something, then this something will be found and delivered
At the school we had a teacher (without names and titles ) he really participated in the operation to capture the latest Merkava tank at that time.
Of course, the whole story was cool for us, but ours had to fuss there, there were wounded from our advisers.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Urs

actually participated in the operation to capture the latest Merkava tank at that time.

I haven't heard of Merkava. It looks like a bike.
And that M48, at the request of the Israeli government (on the grounds that tankers died in it, I don’t know what they hoped to find there) was replaced with the same type a few years ago, and the one captured in 1982 was returned to Israel.

[Urs]

Well, dear, if you haven’t heard or don’t know something, it doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen and these are stories
For example, I know from the documents how the M48 was captured, and it’s not the plane that appears there, but the cargo ship. And it was captured, or rather towed, stolen not by “special forces” at all, but by our Soviet ensigns on BTS4 under the cover of a Syrian tank company, whose fighters shot him down. And in the ear. Batu of this tank battalion, whispered our military specialist with a representative of the GRU.
According to the same scenario, a Merkava tank was later stolen.
And I also had the honor to see a photo of that battle when the wrecked Merkava was captured. The most remarkable photo was with a T72 sub-caliber projectile sticking out of the mine of the Merkava sight.

[Orakul2000]

Dear Vladimir,
There is no Merkava tank in Kubinka. There is only Magah -3. In the Lebanese war, there were no clashes between Merkava 1 and T-72. This is an official fact. The T-72 tank had just begun to be delivered to Syria and was armed with it, and only at the very end of the war, only if I'm not mistaken, the 5th special tank brigade of the general reserve of the Syrian army. They simply did not have time to meet, the war (its active phase) was over.
With respect.

[Urs]

Oops dear. And how do you know so thoroughly what is and what is not at the Cuban test site .If you are guided by a museum in the public domain, then yes, really no , well, the expression about the rabbit "you see the rabbit is appropriate here no, and I don’t, AND HE IS. "And there is also no book under the auspices of the BTA USSR publishing house on conducting research work on the BTT to develop a potential enemy, and there was also no separate detachment of military specialists with the 5 brigade you mentioned on the T72 (here I agree about it) .And did I say that Merkava was captured in Lebanon?I corrected another speaker on the operation to seize the BTTs we were interested in, I did not indicate the scene of action as well as the names of the actors.
And excuse me, I’m not at the age when just chatting, at one time I had quite extensive access to literature, both DSP and secret. As I had the honor of working at the Kubinka Research Institute, with the appropriate access there, the existence of which you don’t even suspect.
No offense I'm for the general concept

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Urs

subsequently a Merkava tank was stolen.

Could you give some link on the Merkava "delivered" to the USSR or the Russian Federation?
I could not find any references to this event.

[Urs]

Well, excuse me, no one has yet learned how to place chipboard materials (30 years old) without consequences. For the same reason, I did not say either the time or the actors. Also, this literature is the property of the BTV Academy, you will not find it in the public domain.

[Captain Pushkin]

So I thought. "Duck".

[Urs]

Hmm "Duck" is you about yourself, very strange name.
You seem to provoke me to "disclosure" .
I have an old lieutenant colonel of the USSR SA so no chance
Unfortunately, the internet doesn't know everything.

[Captain Pushkin]

I don’t know who “disclosed” to you about the captured Merkava, but if this were a reality, it would definitely have surfaced in the 90s. In those days, any secrets were sold at a price of a bucket for a nickel.
Oral folk art that just does not bring to the masses.
Be especially wary of "eyewitnesses" and "participants".
For example. After the October Revolution, I wanted to find and glorify the participants in the "storm" of the Winter Palace.
There were so many that they would not fit, not only in the palace, but on the palace square.
And this despite the fact that there was no assault at all.

[LORD-72]

Thought about it the same. It is necessary to create a separate hangar and call it "Trophies from the SVO" and place everything there.

[Seryoga64]

Quote from gansales

There will be more trophies...

And preferably a newer one. I wonder what they came up with and how to deal with it.

[gansales]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote from gansales

There will be more trophies...

And preferably a newer one. I wonder what they came up with and how to deal with it.

Tanks would still be installed .. It would be an excellent training! It’s not for our (USSR) to beat .. Such luxurious goals!

[Seryoga64]

Quote from gansales

It would be a great workout!

Training is generally a great thing. Especially when you train on someone else's technique.

[Machiavelli]

Maybe a few Italian centaurs. Just ours are going to release wheeled tanks

[Repellent]

Quote: Seryoga64

And preferably a newer one

This one is from 1998. Fresh, almost

I read the wiki and found this:

Quote: PzH 2000

... with manual loading system... PzH 2000 is capable of firing three rounds in nine seconds or ten in 56 seconds ...

I didn’t understand how this is possible with manual loading, who is in the subject - explain if possible

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Repellent

how is it possible with manual loading,

If I understood correctly, there is a semiautomatic device - the loader puts the projectile on the tray, sending it with a machine gun. Moreover, the first three are laid out together, and then one at a time.

[Repellent]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

If I understood correctly, there is a semiautomatic device - the loader puts the projectile on the tray, sending it with a machine gun. Moreover, the first three are laid out together, and then one at a time

Thanks, got it. I'll dig, it's interesting

[Repellent]

Here it is. From 1.40 - the process itself. The projectile is loaded automatically, the loader only supplies charges.

[maksbazhin]

Interestingly, the JMA manages to stabilize?

[sabakina]

Captain Pushkin, if I put three eggs in a frying pan, will they all fry at once or one at a time?

[Captain Pushkin]

In some towed ones, three shells are placed in a clip, from there they fall one by one onto the tray. I think it's the same with this truck.

[Repellent]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

I think it's the same in this self-propelled gun

Above is a video on the topic.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

I think it's the same with this truck.

Hare Peter! What to think! Watch the movie and everything will become clear. Even MOSH does not need to be strained: everything is chewed and shown in action.
AHA.

[Filxnumx]

Unfortunately, howitzer shells are not your balls, it will not work to drive all three into the trunk at the same time.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Repellent

Here I don’t understand how this is possible with manual loading,

The Germans are such fiction

[lis-ik]

Quote from gansales

Quote: -sh-

across the Belarusian sea

And the Belomor Canal ..)))
There will still be quite a few trophies .. Come on, Scholz, go for it, and the debriefing with the Germans will also be serious ..

Vital. Are you going to a showdown? You don’t particularly build the Germans there, they still need to supply turbines for the gas pipeline.

[Evil 55]

They send everything they can .. and newer ... Technology is an interesting thing.

[sat2004]

And transfer the Navy to Armenia.

[gansales]

Quote: sat2004

And transfer the Navy to Armenia.

It’s better to pass on to Hezbollah .. Zelensky will immediately receive a warning from the kahal ..)))))

[Thrifty]

This is a war, the destruction and trophying of military equipment is inevitable!

[Goha]

Mistrals have long been in Egypt.

[Corrosion inhibitor]

I'm already waiting for comments from Uralmash.

[volodimer]

With "Mistrals like" the issue is already closed. Construction technologies have been mastered in St. Petersburg.
Combat control system (I don’t remember what the correct abbreviation is) too.
Everything that remains unexplored can be peeped from the Egyptians.
With Exocets, it's more important to know here. The impudent people are still on the Malvinas in Sheffield to grab.

[Vlodek]

Soon the Argentines will be accepted into the BRICS. They can tell.
And in a successful scenario, the Falklands will "ask" back.
You see, they will need "Zircons" for this.

[Freelancer7]

Well, if we analyze the escalation of the conflict and the drawing of Europe into the conflict, the opportunity to overcome the Mistral will appear ... and not only him ...

[Alexey Balashov]

Only people like you probably don’t know that the purchase of the Mistrals was a brilliant scam to hide financial flows for the development of the hypersonic missile industry!

[South Ukrainian]

The German publication complains that Germany did not have time to deliver a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000 to Ukraine, as the Russian military had already knocked out one self-propelled gun.

Did the Germans think that their "self-propelled guns" were invulnerable?

[belovvladimir]

South Ukrainian: no, they are not invulnerable, they are immortal, high-tech, and oddly enough they are lined with their own weapons, technology for technology resulting in scrap metal!

[iouris]

They no longer think. They are just waiting for their victory to come. They expect to win, otherwise they would not fit into this story.
And it's not even the Germans. The Germans are expendable.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: iouris

The Germans are expendable.

No-o-e-e ... Deutschers are a LAYER ... Yankees bedding.
Consumables are Ukrainians!
It seems that no one feels sorry for them: neither the Yankees, nor Tommy, nor NATE, nor Zele, and we - even more so !!!

[smart ass]

They just thought the Ukrainian army was fighting the recalcitrant Zulus

[dmi.pris1]

Wow, what a fate .. The iron kaput was covered with their own kaput ..

[LOCKS]

Maybe well, this outskirts of it. Pus immediately delivered to "Uralvagonzavod").

[Furious bambr]

Well, yes, high-tech ... But the automatic loader there, more precisely, the semi-automatic is something. I wonder how many fingers of the loaders have already flown away along with the shells ...

[parusnik]

the Russian military has already knocked out one self-propelled gun. Moreover, according to Bild, this was done with the help of a German grenade launcher, also supplied to the Ukrainian army.

Not in a horse, feed ..

[voyaka uh]

The Germans put these self-propelled guns together with special precision projectiles. He hangs over the target on a parachute, then the electronics point exactly at the top of the target and fire off the impact core (as in NLAW).

[poquello]

Quote: voyaka uh

He hangs over the target on a parachute, then the electronics point exactly at the top of the target and fire off the impact core (as in NLAW).

they would write - it freezes like in cassettes of 9N142 tornado missiles, and you wouldn’t have to talk about the core of the nlav

[Kayala]

The stubborn Israelis amaze me with their optimistic idiocy. Did they get pollinated from skakuas? No matter how Western weapons are, a super-duper-uber-wunderwaffle is a must, but in reality, for some reason, it is mostly useless, and most importantly, very expensive.

[aszzz888]

Kayala (Aleksey)
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The stubborn Israelis amaze me with their optimistic idiocy. Did they get pollinated from skakuas? No matter how Western weapons are, a super-duper-uber-wunderwaffle is a must, but in reality, for some reason, it is mostly useless, and most importantly, very expensive.

He loves this one who is under-elected, licking the shoes of the merikatos. He likes it. Yes, and it falls on the mother.

[Negruz]

The stubborn Israelis amaze me with their optimistic idiocy.

Every second network "Israeli" is from Zhmerinka ...

[Repellent]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Germans put these self-propelled guns along with special precision shells

Let's, let's ... learn everything, just let's

[sabakina]

Warrior Wow, on the basis of progress, my mind went crazy ... But he was a good chilovik ...

[Furious bambr]

"At a certain height above the target, the projectile explodes and fires two combat submunitions on parachutes, which have their own microradar and infrared sensors to search for armored vehicles"

If you, dear, have read such nonsense before going to bed, you should not drag nonsense to people

[skeptic]

Before all this mess, there was a bike. that for the collapse of NATO, it is enough to launch Ukraine there. It seems that even before entering, it has already begun its impact.

[Leshak]

Absolutely not surprised. Soon they will also study the unkilled ones - it’s more convenient to run away without self-propelled guns.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

And this is fucking not true. Just like with the French Caesar.
If they had been captured, then the cheer-party report would have been removed with pomp long ago. Abandoned hauls and javelins won’t hesitate to show two pieces in the trenches, and here is a healthy self-propelled gun ...

[svp67]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

If they had captured, then a long time ago the cheers-party report would have been filmed with pomp

Here, you know, the situation is such that there are already a lot of trophies, and this is far from only hand-held anti-tank weapons, but there are no reports ... There is such a word as CENSORSHIP. It is not necessary for our opponents to know what and in what condition we got. Let them suffer

[Maxim G]

Why then report the capture of the Caesars at all?
After all, they reported that self-propelled guns of a certain model were captured and were in a state suitable for study.

But no evidence was provided

[svp67]

Quote: Maxim G

Why then report the capture of the Caesars at all?

Excuse me, but who said that?

Quote: Maxim G

But no evidence was provided

And why should we confirm or refute their doubts? explain

[Maxim G]

Uralvagonzavod, judging by the Russian news, reported that the Caesars were captured by Russian troops and handed over to him.

What needs to be explained? What statement must be accompanied by confirmation in order to be considered true?

[svp67]

Quote: Maxim G

Uralvagonzavod, judging by the Russian news, reported that the Caesars were captured by Russian troops and handed over to him.

UVZ did this in the form of trolling, and only when the noise in the French press began to grow about it. Our very skillfully "poured gasoline there" ... And they did not confirm, but they did not refute either.

[Maxim G]

Confirmed that they were captured.

But this does not seem to be true, since there is no confirmation.

[Kayala]

That’s fucked up, and who are you, to confirm something to you? Why did you decide that the Moscow Region should inform you about every sneeze, and even confirm something? This is a war, not a series on the couch. So calm down, no one personally has to confirm anything to you!

[Maxim G]

Zadolbali - leave the comments.

[Yurets]

And who are you to confirm something to you?

APU captured the Su-57. No photo, take my word for it.
Words without proofs are stars.

[Negro]

A certain French freak, who no one can call him, wrote this in his telegram. The SMM officer of the Uralvagonzavod came there and wrote, like, thanks to the native French authorities. Then the entire VZ company made news out of shitposting. No proofs, no official statements. If this was true, then Uralvagonzavod's SMM officer had already been closed for treason.

But somehow I doubt it.

[Maxim G]

Yes, here we are talking about the fact that foreign equipment is being captured, as the media say.
But there is no confirmation, and apparently not everyone needs them.

Regarding the frivolity of all this correspondence and news, I agree.

[Negro]

Quote: Maxim G

foreign equipment is being captured, as the media say.

So far, there is only one ax from the "media" and I see that this is not on the bild website. Below, they are already talking about some telegram channels.

[Maxim G]

I'm talking about "Caesars" - RIA reported.
Alas, no proof.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Negro

So far, there is only one ax from the "media" and I see that this is not on the bild website.

So Bild, with fakes about the shelling of Berdyansk with Tochka-U, pierced ... They are so "truthful" that Goebbels is spinning like a propeller in his coffin! By the way, Spiegel is also not a "mirror" of the NWO, but a foggy swamp of NATO propaganda. You'd better refer to it for persuasiveness. Maybe some of the naive would have believed ... You are the "free" Western media - BELIEVE !!!

[Negro]

I don't see any bild or spiegel yet. I see noname from telegram.

[Urs]

Here's some more evidence to present
Everything, as the naglichans said, means the truth and all the "highly likes" Well, the type cannot be questioned.
And what are we, worse than them or something

[Negruz]

What statement must be accompanied by confirmation in order to be considered true?

Why do you think so?

[evgen1221]

Why report without evidence ??? - and so that they suffer from sleepless nights, whether there is a gopher or not.

[maksbazhin]

If I were in our place, I would have claimed that they had bought it. And I would voice the amount and draw pictures. Let them think that the truth is not true and whether it is worth sending.

[Filxnumx]

What exactly do you want to know: HOW did these howitzers get to us or just that they got to us? Well, let's say you see this evidence, and then? Based on the received data, will you change the system of combat training of the RF Armed Forces or otherwise influence our Armed Forces? Not? Then why the heck do you know HOW did the French Caesars get to us? None of the military in their right mind will give out their secrets in order to amuse the pride of the rear shtafirka. And the fact that the howitzers got to us was reported, IMHO, by the French themselves (some of their deputy).

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

I sincerely would like to believe that it is only a matter of censorship.

[carstorm 11]

Exactly. This is how we always do it. All trophies are played instead of being studied in the cinema. Don't talk nonsense. Please note that the owners themselves speak about these losses. And with the Cesars, you will apparently burn even from the fact that they were stupidly sold. I can even name the amount.

[Suomynona]

I would like to know the amount

[carstorm 11]

120 thousand American rubles their price.

[sabakina]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

And this is fucking not true. ...

But the kulaks were not given a word!

[runway-1]

I agree with you, this message is about nothing:

Earlier, Caesar announced in France that two 155-mm self-propelled wheeled artillery mounts fell into the hands of the Russian military. And the message of the Russian concern "Uralvagonzavod" to Macron, in which "UVZ" asks to convey "thank you" for the transferred howitzers, caused a scandal in Paris. If the information is confirmed with the German PzH 2000, then a scandal is possible in Berlin.

There was no confirmation of this information, and this story is more and more like ordinary trolling (to the delight of a certain group of commentators). "Explanations" about the secrecy of information, etc. look unimportant.

[surey_andry2]

Where are the proofs from 2000 and Caesar?

[carstorm 11]

Write to the Germans and French. These are their statements. All questions go there.

[svp67]

If so, then this is so far the MOST valuable trophy of the RF Armed Forces

[iouris]

Re-read (read) "Lefty". The left-handed English flea was only able to shoe. And then after that the flea stopped dancing.

[Negro]

Something I can't find on bild.de. News only in Russian.

[svp67]

Quote: Negro

Something I can't find on bild.de. News only in Russian.

In the telegram channels, the video is about this

[Negro]

Quote: svp67

In telegram channels

What kind?

[svp67]

Quote: Negro

What kind?

Yes, in the same "Military Review" there is a German video sequence, for today from "Yaroslav's Diploma"

[Negro]

Ah, well, that is, the primary source - a military review? Wonderful.

PS Telegram channel "Yaroslav's Letters", 27 thousand subscribers. Wonderful.

[svp67]

Quote: Negro

Ah, well, that is, the primary source - a military review?

No, in this case, the telegram channel "Yaroslav's Letters"

[sabakina]

I want to believe. Yesterday, on UkrTV, the defenders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine praised her a lot ...

[tralflot1832]

It is not enough to knock out self-propelled guns, it must be dragged from the deep rear. All these factors could grow together only in one place in Lisichansk. You need to read Bild in the original. Otherwise, they can print any heresy in this "Picture". press. No article or not found.

[Cowbra]

They tell the truth, in Kyiv, at the parade, Novorossiya will ride on NATO trophies, in a column of ten km ... In the DPR, they also won trophies, they dragged them for repairs ...

[rotmistr60]

Symbolically - a German self-propelled gun was shot down from a German grenade launcher. And like an apotheosis

in fact, the Germans pay for weapons for Ukraine. Which ends up with the Russians. (...) Germany is losing money and technology (...)

Scholz also needs to be tracked like Macron with his "Caesars".

[Hikaro]

Perhaps it fell into your hands! Even if it is, then it is of some interest, much worse is that the volume of military supplies to the Ukroreich is growing! And they are already starting to transfer more modern samples! So far, it bulges that they can’t quickly prepare and train the ukrovoyak to use it, but experience comes with battles, so you can’t drag out the special operation too much!

[evgen1221]

Don't worry, it's until autumn. And there, the general frost will again freeze the tracks to the ground along with the ears of some common people.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I would like to believe it, but I think that all this is just a fake used for internal political struggle in Germany and the same thing happened in France with the Caesars.

If it were true, captured equipment would have been shown in the news on the first channel long ago.

[Repellent]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I would like to believe it, but I think that all this is just a fake used for internal political struggle in Germany and the same thing happened in France with the Caesars

That is, about the Caesars - also a fake? Can you prove it, or do you "think" it?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It would be true captured equipment would have been shown in the news on the first channel long ago

What for?

[Negro]

Quote: Repellent

That is, about the Caesars - also a fake? Can you prove it, or do you "think" it?

It's easy to prove it, dear friend. If this were true and the SMM officer of Uralvagonzavod really blurted out this before Konashenkov, he would have been taken for treason on the same day. Faces do not like such jokes.

[Repellent]

Quote: Negro

If this were true and the SMM officer of Uralvagonzavod really blurted out this before Konashenkov, he would have been taken for treason on the same day. Faces do not like such jokes

Oh ... bayus-bayus-bayus (s).

My ukroamerican friend, what can you think of to justify the fail of your relatives, right?

Practice, this skill will come in handy again and again.

PS: How is it, hasn't died yet?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What for?

To dispel all doubts. Since it was reported that the Caesars were captured, then this is not a secret, so at least confirm with a photograph.

And so, apart from words, there is no evidence of the capture of Caeseres and Pz 2000, and no one believes the words for a long time.

[Repellent]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

To dispel all doubts

Yours? Once again the same question - why?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

and no one believes the words for a long time

Yours? Sorry.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yours? Sorry.

Now they don’t believe in anyone’s words, they only believe in facts !!!

It is high time for you personally and for many people on this resource to understand and accept this and speak only on the basis of facts, and not in such a way that any positive news is always beyond doubt, and any negative is always fake.

There is no need to turn an analytical resource into a kindergarten sandbox.

[Repellent]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Now they don’t believe in anyone’s words, they only believe in facts !!!

Terrible. But let's move on...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Since it was reported that the Caesars were captured, then this is not a secret, so confirm with a photo at least

Hop, let's say these Caesars are standing in front of me. I take a photo, I send it to you, I get an answer - "Where is the evidence that this is not in Ukraine?"

To prove something, you need to remove these Caesars against the backdrop of the Spasskaya Tower of the Kremlin

And who needs such hemorrhoids? So they didn’t send you a photo ... and they didn’t have to, in general.

Like this

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Without facts, the price of words is zero! It's time to understand this and not look for excuses.

Russia has neither Caesars nor German self-propelled guns as trophies.

And people like you "screamers" simply turn the analytical resource into a bazaar.

[Repellent]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Without facts, the price of words is zero

Not everyone and not always think so. There are people whom I take at their word. There are people who take my word for it. And so on.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Russia has neither Caesars nor German self-propelled guns as trophies

This is your personal opinion, you have every right.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And people like you "screamers" simply turn an analytical resource into a bazaar

But now - be careful with the words, otherwise I'll take it and believe

[Negro]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I would like to believe it, but I think that all this is just a fake used for internal political struggle in Germany

What is it about Germany? I don't see anything similar on bild.de. I am almost sure that we are talking about some comments of nonames in Twitter, Telegram or FB under Bild's messages. Usually by "(insert media) reports strange" in Russia they mean something similar.

[Flooding]

How much more will you have to pay for Ukraine, what will be the price for the Germans?

Understanding will come later.
It's not November yet.

[Collins]

It seems to me that they deliberately call out such stuffing so that they don’t specifically supply them with weapons because of the fear of “trophying”

[Rage66]

Before Germany had time to supply Ukraine with a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000, the Russian military had already knocked out one self-propelled gun. Moreover, according to Bild, this was done with the help of a German grenade launcher.

The Russian military is so severe that they knock out German self-propelled guns from German grenade launchers

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

[quote = South Ukrainian] The German publication complains that Germany did not have time to deliver a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000 to Ukraine, as the Russian military had already knocked out one self-propelled gun.

Did the Germans think that their "self-propelled guns" were invulnerable?
They thought they were in a fairy tale!

[Observer2014]

The German publication reports that the PzH 2000 self-propelled guns fell into the hands of the Russian military

Let's have more. What else do you have incredibly cool there ?!
In Kubinka, there are just heaps of empty places)))

[Albert Hakobyan]

// The German publication complains that Germany did not have time to supply Ukraine with a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000, as the Russian military had already knocked out one self-propelled gun. Moreover, according to Bild, this was done with the help of a German grenade launcher, also supplied to the Ukrainian army // -
If it turns out that it was a Russian German who knocked out, then the whole guard.

[Repellent]

Germany is not at war with anyone, and in fact the Germans are paying for weapons for Ukraine. Which ends up with the Russians

Pichalka for the Germans, pichalka ... how is it - "sad liver sausage", right?

[Mylenef]

Our French engineers were not impressed, let's see what they say about the German

[Carlos Hall]

These pieces are a good trophy. The German taxpayer pays.

[v1tz]

Hmm, you might think that these German SPGs are immune to Russian projectiles or capture, even if they are high-tech.

[Scarabaeus]

Even if more PzH 2000s are delivered, Germany will not have enough ammunition to supply them on a permanent basis!

[Negro]

Any NATO ammunition is suitable for any 155/52 system.

[UAZ 452]

I hope that all Ukrainian military personnel are informed that the transfer of weapons to the RF Armed Forces, primarily Western weapons, means a complete amnesty and a good bonus? If this is not done, then this would mean the complete unsuitability of our military command.

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, more future exhibits in Kubinka, good and different.

[GNM]

Our people love to trophy German technology:

[Nafanya from the sofa]

There are many captured German tanks in the museum in Kubinka. One more will be added. It’s just a pity that it’s not from burning Berlin. But from freezing Berlin - not bad either. Chancellor Scholz probably did not listen well to the stories of his grandfather, an SS man, so he forgot that the Russians have a secret weapon "General Frost"

[Krasnoyarsk]

= A German publication complains that Germany did not have time to deliver a batch of self-propelled guns PzH 2000 to Ukraine, as the Russian military already knocked out one self-propelled gun. Moreover, according to Bild, this was done with the help of a German grenade launcher, also supplied to the Ukrainian army. =
Fresh legend, but hard to believe. From a grenade launcher? It is quite possible, but ... on the front line. And what does the self-propelled guns do at the forefront?
If on the front line, it means that before the front moved in, she was already immobilized and she was finished off with a grenade launcher. Or the DRG tried, which is unlikely.
the most real is a duck, as with "Caesar"

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Fresh legend, but hard to believe. From a grenade launcher? It is quite possible, but ... on the front line. And what does the self-propelled guns do at the forefront?
If on the front line, it means that before the front moved in, it was already immobilized

Such pan lieutenant (ensign) svidovoin of light leaked and sold to a solarium! And he put pennies at the hamanets (purse) Axis so.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: 30 vis

Such pan lieutenant (ensign) svidovoin of light leaked and sold to a solarium! And he put pennies at the hamanets (purse) Axis so.

So I wrote about it - immobilized. And you, clairvoyant sir, are so unreasonable

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

. And you, clairvoyant sir, are so unreasonable

No nobleman from me, all great-grandfathers from peasants. some Russians, others Ukrainian. And villages with interesting names Kleymenovka and Popelnya (Ash-burnt).

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

By the way, does anyone believe that when the allied troops approach the Dnieper, the bridges will remain intact?
I don’t believe it, and I think that they need to be brought down now by ourselves, in order to stop the supply of ammunition to the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. All the same, the Dnieper will have to be crossed with the help of crossings.

[cniza]

The knocked-out howitzer, called one of the most "expensive and high-tech" self-propelled guns in the world, is allegedly already being studied by the Russian military.

Of course, but you thought it would be different? ...

[Chikua]

There is nothing interesting in it....

[Viktor Sergeev]

What is there to study? Old self-propelled gun, MST level. What's there to complain about? It is clear that soon all self-propelled guns will be in Russia.

[Collins]

Old? ....... This old self-propelled gun will be better than the same new Coalition.

[Evgenijus]

Yes, not quite old

[Viktor Sergeev]

And who blurted out such nonsense to you? The German one is good, but it is the old one, although for the price it is certainly much better (more expensive) than the Coalition.

[Altmann]

These deliveries finally reach the Russian military. This is no coincidence, money and diplomacy are certainly involved, so Mr. Zelenskiy is pleased because he doesn't know or has no idea. The big countries of Europe are fed up with this nonsense!

[Gvardeetz77]

All these "screams and screams" with only one goal - to raise the rating of the publication, "cut down likes", etc., as in the late 90s, early 00s, and now they continue to raise the ratings of various media headlines about cruel murders, rapes and so on, and not about a bottle of vodka stolen by an alcoholic Vasya in a village shop.
Those who make decisions on a non-unique supply of weapons and military equipment are well aware that the probability of its trophy over time is close to 100%

[GRANATE-19]

Quote: South Ukrainian

did the Germans think that their "self-propelled guns" were invulnerable?

They thought that for their grenade launchers YES!

[Victor Tsenin]

Dear Rybari broadcast that they agreed on Caesar for about 160K USD, but the topic of the article is, of course, more interesting. Useful, in a word.

[Mouse]

When they see that all these are gratuitous gifts and then there will be no one to pay for these deliveries, then there will be nothing good, in theory the flags will change in the administrations and a wave of terror will pass against the Bandera hangers-on, and those who fought will stay there to live and maintain the Russian order. Apparently, those who transfer weapons are rich guys and they do not feel sorry for the "good" cause, so to speak, even if they do not return and write off all debts. But it’s just a pity for the blue ones, goodwill and love have not yet descended on these forces .. Will it be?

[Ivan Pchelin]

Perhaps there are no photographs of trophies because in the process of capturing they lost their photogenicity. Experts are poking around, but you can’t show what’s left pathetic

[Pavel57]

A couple to the captured Ferdinants.

[Valery Vl.]

If the Americans had handed over only one F-35, Svidomo would have sold it in two hours for spare parts.

[composite]

No body - no case.
photo in the studio.
Tsearey and other crabs with axes there.

[aesculapius]

According to some reports, all such "trophies" smell like crap, most likely this sau was obtained in the same way as Caesar, that is, it was bought from the Armed Forces of Ukraine - not some kind of trade (like we give you a couple of Natsiks, you give us a whole sau), Ugh

[Molot1979]

If the truth was knocked out from an RPG, then they tried to use the self-propelled gun as a linear tank.

[ivan2022]

Quote: eskulap

According to some reports, all such "trophies" smack of shit, ....... - not your own, but some kind of trade (like we give you a couple of Natsiks, you give us a whole sau), ugh

Heh .. Heh ..... Well, what kind of "some data"? Specifically?

Posts like yours smell like crap, that's for sure, and booty in war only smells like booty. No matter how they call it and no matter how they get it.

By the way - about the exchange of a German howitzer for prisoners, a cool move! This is an idea ... eklmn ..... In principle, in this way you can leave the Armed Forces of Ukraine without heavy equipment at all .... strip them to the skin. It is only necessary to exchange the whole equipment, and not the lined ones ... ... Contact the General Staff of the Russian Federation, maybe they will support.

[tank64rus]

Business is business and nothing personal. We just need to force our oligarchs to buy new types of weapons from Ukrainians. Let them help at least that way.

[certero]

Quote: 2 level advisor

the Germans and 45 were dismantled and now we will analyze ..

We sorted it out at a very high price. At the same time, we had very powerful allies.

[fromSalekhard]

And I would be glad to welcome this. This news was published by Gazeta.ru with reference to Bild. After this, the news spread across the RuNet. But here's the catch: there is no link to the original report. There is just a link to the site, but there is nothing like that on the site (or no longer exists). Someone give me a real link!

[valentine light]

So for the scandal to repeat itself, we need an exhibition of captured and damaged NATO equipment with the obligatory indication of the country that became a party to the conflict....
Let there be a huge scandal “in a noble family”
:))

[Zaurbek]

I honor you, the museum in Kubinka will be replenished with various self-propelled guns and MRAPs.....just remember to take out the remains.

[health]

30.06.22/XNUMX/XNUMX five self-propelled guns were transported to Heathrow on tractors. ! One of them had desert camouflage visible under the swamp-green paint.

[valentine light]

Quote: "...pay for Ukraine, what will the price be for the Germans?..."

All greedy burghers waste money :))


But we have simple curiosity - how are these “Panzer Howitzers 2000” built?
Same as "Elephant" or
Frankish Caesar...? :)
They’ll take it apart and look... some kind of “beasts” were lit already in 1944-1945

[Dick]

Gouge all the bridges and roads, and we don’t need these vaunted trophies, just so they don’t reach the front

[clone99]

Just bravado in the comments...and no one bothered to check the source, but I went to bild and searched for pzh 2000, there is no information about capturing the wunderwaffle. Don't get me wrong, I believe that we can take over, but there are no reliable sources confirming this. In our Z channels the cart is also empty, but they would have blown the whistle.

[89824024836]

In response to shelling of Russian cities, the DPR and LPR need to transfer squadrons of SU-25 or SU-24 to the Armed Forces of Lugansk and Donetsk, I believe there will be pilots in the militia. And further, to respond to each shelling with bombings of elite neighborhoods of Kyiv and Western cities. Let's see how Bandera's crook squeaks when he loses his expensive housing.