New high-precision missiles entered the arsenal of Russian attack helicopters taking part in the NWO in Ukraine

Russian army aviation within the framework of a special military operation, it uses a new high-precision aviation missile "305" to destroy important military facilities. This was reported by an informed source.

New high-precision missiles have entered the arsenal of Russian combat helicopters taking part in a special military operation in Ukraine. The missile is used to hit important targets, it operates in several modes, including "fire and forget", ensuring high accuracy of hitting enemy targets.

As part of a special military operation in Ukraine, the army aviation of the Russian Federation began to use new light multi-purpose guided missiles "305". The missiles are fired from Mi-28NM attack helicopters against important targets of the Ukrainian troops, such as warehouses with ammunition and fuel and lubricants.

- leads RIA News source words.

The fact that Russian attack helicopters received a new light multi-purpose guided missile (LMUR) "product 305" was reported in August last year. In addition to the attack Ka-52M and Mi-28NM, the Mi-8AMTSh-VN Sapsan transport and combat helicopter, designed for landing special forces groups and supporting them from the air, can also receive new ammunition.

According to reports, with a total mass of 105 kg with a warhead of 25 kg, the rocket is compact. The declared guaranteed defeat of armored vehicles or enemy shelters is 14,5 km at any time of the day and in any weather. The missile confidently hits both engineering targets and armored vehicles, including the main combat Tanks.

LMUR "product 305" was first demonstrated at the international forum "Army-2021".

Comments

[Taimen]

A good addition to the existing ones.

[SSR]

Quote: Taimen

A good addition to the existing ones.

+
And a plus in karma for those who constantly "whined" that the Russian Federation did not have missiles, such as "fired and forgot."

The missile is used to hit important targets, it operates in several modes, including "fire and forget",

[lucul]

And a plus in karma for those who constantly "whined" that the Russian Federation did not have missiles, such as "fired and forgot."

Yes, tsipsote will now have to rewrite the manuals. )))

[ramzay21]

But this is really a breakthrough weapon that brings our Ka-52 and Mi-28N to the level of the American Apache. Mass rearmament with these missiles will save many lives of our helicopter pilots and vehicles, and our Ka-52 helicopter will become the deadliest in the world.

[Incvizitor]

Only our performance characteristics are much higher and cannot be knocked down from the Berdanka.

[Looking for]

Available then available. But are they applied.? The fourth month has been going on, but I have not seen a single fact of our helicopters hitting ukrov tanks with anti-tank missiles.

[Rutrick]

There are already at least 4 videos of these missiles hitting different buildings. The quality is good by the way. At first, no one could understand what kind of ammunition it was.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

I thought it was x-59!

[ultra]

Quote: Seeker

The fourth month has been going on, but I have not seen a single fact of our helicopters hitting ukrov tanks with anti-tank missiles.

A film on this topic will be made especially for you.

[Romanovski]

So keep our military-industrial complex!

[Ka-52]

The missile is used to hit important targets, it operates in several modes, including "fire and forget", ensuring high accuracy of hitting enemy targets.

The author could have expanded the message to the details. In the "fire and forget" version, the missile ensures that targets are hit only within the visual visibility of the seeker. Out of sight, for guidance on the final section of the trajectory, the participation of the operator is still required.

[novel66]

and at the same time - and what type of warhead

[Ka-52]

high-explosive fragmentation, 25kg

[novel66]

penetrating? if not, is the tank scared or not?

[Ka-52]

compare the mass of the explosive projectile 152mm and "305E". There are only 152 kg of explosives in a 7mm projectile, and they can work well with any modern tank with a direct hit.

[novel66]

well, yes. slowed down something in the morning ...

[Foul skeptic]

compare the mass of the explosive projectile 152mm and "305E"

And how can this be done, other than "I think so"?

[Ka-52]

take a 152mm projectile, some kind of 3OF45, cut it in half with a grinder, pick out explosives from it, weigh it. The result (I'm not talking about the one in which your guts will be scraped off the ruins of your house for a long time) should be around 7,5 kg. According to LMUR, it is more difficult - it is unlikely that it will be possible to take it anywhere and cut it all the more. You have to rely on the declared characteristics. According to them, the mass of the warhead is 25 kg.
Will there be a way?

[Foul skeptic]

Do you put an equal sign between the mass of the warhead and the mass of the explosive?

[Ka-52]

in the characteristics of rocket and torpedo weapons, the mass of warheads indicates the mass of explosives. If you are too meticulous, then in the case of a rocket, minus 500 grams for the fuse and shell. The mass of the GOS is not included in the weight characteristics of the warhead.

[Looking for]

E. yes, you are just a balabol.

[Foul skeptic]

in the characteristics of rocket and torpedo weapons, the mass of warheads indicates the mass of explosives.

Regarding torpedoes, I agree 99%. Regarding missiles, I completely disagree.
But let’s say we won’t minus anything on the GGE? And why 500 grams per shell in a high-explosive fragmentation and not a high-explosive warhead? How can one categorically talk about an object with undisclosed characteristics?

[Ka-52]

you are confusing missiles, in which pre-prepared PEs are the main damaging element and the task is to create a continuous cloud of damaging elements in front of an air target. Air-to-surface missiles do not have massive shells to break into high-energy fragments.

[Foul skeptic]

you are confusing missiles ... In air-to-surface missiles

You are narrowing what you said "missile and torpedo weapons" to "air-to-surface")). And even in this case, the shell accounts for significantly more than 2% of the warhead (for x-25, for example, a third of the weight of the warhead is the weight of the shell). In general, I think the argument does not make sense: the weight of warheads is equal to the weight of explosives - no, is a HE warhead weighing 25 kg enough to disable armored vehicles - yes, are MBTs the main target for these missiles - hardly.

[Ka-52]

You narrow down what you said "missile and torpedo weapons" to "air-to-surface"))

because the topic of discussion is "air-to-surface missile".

(for x-25, for example, a third of the weight of the warhead is the weight of the shell

Well, let's compare the comparable. The Kh-25 is a heavy missile, its weight is 3 times higher than that of the LMUR. In the AGM-114 in high-explosive fragmentation, the explosive is packed in a glass of tantalum tape, it seems only 1mm thick.

[Foul skeptic]

Well, let's compare the comparable. The Kh-25 is a heavy missile, its weight is 3 times higher than that of the LMUR. In the AGM-114 in high-explosive fragmentation, the explosive is packed in a glass of tantalum tape, it seems only 1mm thick.

And therefore, your LMUR and x-25 with a threefold difference in weight have become incomparable, and LMUR and AGM-114 - with a twofold difference - are comparable
Comparison with helfire is manipulative - this is a purposeful technical solution, since according to the TOR, warheads were required for use in urban areas.
Don't want to compare LMUR and Hermes? - the weight of the missiles is 105 and 90 kg, the weight of the HE warhead is 25 and 28 kg. Of the 28 kg of warheads - a third falls on the shell. And in the weight category of Helfire, at least look at the HE 9M120F-1. How is it with the weight of warheads and the number of explosives?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Ka-52

in the case of a rocket, minus 500 grams for the fuse and shell.

Only 500 grams per fuse and shell? Too little. The F-1 grenade has more shell mass. And then 25 kg of warheads.
I don’t know the closest analogue, but take, for example, a 122 mm Grad projectile. "9M22" weighing 65 kg. Warhead there - 18,4 kg. and BB - 6,4 kg.

[Reserve buildbat]

This is where you are wrong. In missiles with HE warheads, ready-made submunitions are often used, which are included in the warhead mass, so that with a warhead mass of, say, 5 kg, the explosive mass may turn out to be 2,5 kg.

[Captain Pushkin]

The fill factor of warhead explosives is approximately the same as in an air bomb, i.e. many times higher than in an artillery shell.
Approximately 10 to 15 kg.
Enough for any tank, even if the warhead is OFF.

[Paladin]

I don't understand what the argument was about. But the TNT equivalent is usually indicated. Here it was .., however, and now there probably still are, a lot of them were stamped, FAB-250-500. Its weight was 250 kg, but the equivalent and efficiency was as much as 500 kg of TNT.

[Foul skeptic]

FAB-250-500. Its weight was 250 kg, but the equivalent and efficiency was as much as 500 kg of TNT.

You must be joking.

[novel66]

FAB -250 - overall characteristics, 500 - weight, t, e, thick-walled bomb, penetrating type

[RaDeVl]

Paladin, "remove" the Air Force flag from the profile picture.

[Paladin]

Already running, hair back ...

[RaDeVl]

Take off, apparently you have a weak idea about the Air Force, well, or you didn’t study very well.

[Paladin]

And you studied very much, do you have a strong idea of ​​​​SVZH and BM?
I also have advice, it is irrelevant - Do not advise what to do, and they will not advise where to go

[Paladin]

Let's get away from the personal. For lectures, this is not the format, but a small hint. People, you are aware that in high-explosive-type artillery and aviation ammunition, not TNT has been used for a long time, but completely different explosives with completely different parameters for converting potential energy into mechanical work. In this case, the weight and size indicators may be the same, and the effect of application may differ somewhat from the same mass of TNT. And the concept of TNT equivalent applies not only to nuclear weapons? Before you again engage in minus, try to study the original material, if Google and Yandex are not banned, everything is in the public domain.

[Foul skeptic]

People, you know

Some people are definitely aware that the caliber of air bombs is not tied to the mass of explosives and the TNT equivalent of explosives. It's easier to admit a mistake than to dig further.

[Paladin]

It's easier to admit a mistake than to dig further.

So that's exactly what I'm suggesting, haven't you noticed?)))

[Foul skeptic]

I noticed that you do not understand that you made a mistake

[Paladin]

How hard is it...
You re-read my first comment on this topic and try to notice that between 250 and 500 is not a fraction, but a dash. And also yesterday, which at 8.27. Maybe something will become clearer, well, or more noticeable. Just don't rush to read. I'm without a joke, if that

[Foul skeptic]

and try to notice that between 250 and 500 is not a fraction, but a dash.

AND? Does this somehow change the fact that 500 in the cipher is NOT the TNT equivalent?

[Paladin]

You didn't read it, or you didn't read it carefully. The conversation is not constructive.)

[Foul skeptic]

Well, of course. This

о TNT equivalent is usually indicated. Here it was .., however, and now there probably still are, a lot of them were stamped, FAB-250-500. Her weight was 250 kg, and here is the equivalent and the efficiency was as from 500 kg of TNT.

In this case, the mass and size indicators can be the same, and the effect of application is somewhat different from the same mass of TNT. And the concept TNT equivalent applies not only to nuclear weapons

Of course he's talking about something else.

[AlexHafele]

In general, I would not put an equal sign.
Art. the projectile is designed, among other things, with the expectation that it must withstand pressure in the barrel. And it's twice as heavy. Warhead missiles, as you understand, are not designed for such overloads. Those. art. a projectile is initially a more powerful kinetic ammunition (in addition to explosives).

What's bad - there is no accurate information on the flight profile of the rocket.

[know-it-two]

The AGM-114 Hellfire has a warhead of 8kg, here it is 25 kg, that is, it’s not really for hitting tanks ... But when it hits a tank, I think the turret will fly off in one direction, the hull in the other ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: novel xnumx

and at the same time - and what type of warhead

High-explosive fragmentation ... 25 kg ...

[AlexHafele]

Quote: novel xnumx

and at the same time - and what type of warhead

The development of warheads for specific mass-dimensional characteristics is a task that is several orders of magnitude simpler than the development of the rocket itself. So it is logical to expect the appearance of several types of warheads.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Ka-52

Out of sight, for guidance on the final section of the trajectory, the participation of the operator is still required.

Helicopter holding is not required? Everything, this is a breakthrough for helicopters.

[Ka-52]

Helicopter holding is not required? Everything, this is a breakthrough for helicopters.

neither in the first nor in the second case is retention required. Since the target is fixed by an optical-thermal imaging seeker. Definitely a breakthrough. And the range and mechanism of application.
By the way, the author should have clarified that the 14,5 km range is for a missile with the "E" index. As usual, export options with reduced characteristics are marked like this

[ramzay21]

Who better to tell about weapons for the Ka-52 than a person with the nickname Ka-52

[abc_alex]

Especially when you consider that 305 is not installed on the Ka-52. :) It was created for the Mi-28NM and so far only works with it. They actually take a model to exhibitions, demonstrating it on the Ka-52. In the article, the input photo is correctly chosen.

[Ka-52]

It was created for the Mi-28NM and so far only works with it.

what is the problem with replacing APU-6 with APU-305? GOES they do not differ much

[abc_alex]

And it's not just about the APU. For this rocket, you need to add a lot of things to the helicopter's avionics. And on the Ka-52, even the Kamovites could not start the Attack fully.

[know-it-two]

14.5 km, i.e., guaranteed outside the "work" of MANPADS. Taking into account the optical-thermal imaging seeker ("fire-and-forget" principle), this is really a BREAKTHROUGH !!!!!!!!!!!

[Incvizitor]

Is a vortex also used?

[DominickS]

Anyway, it's progress. The main thing is that they tried in combat conditions.
https://t.me/sashakots/33773

[lucul]

Out of sight, for guidance on the final section of the trajectory, the participation of the operator is still required.

Be that as it may, the product "305" is a good trump card against the American Apache.

[Charik]

I mean, against Apache, are they going to shoot each other with these missiles?

[lucul]

I mean, against Apache, are they going to shoot each other with these missiles?

And in your opinion, helicopters will not fight each other? ))))))

[Charik]

maybe, for this, the rocket must be able to hit a moving target, well, or V-V missiles are then needed

[Captain Pushkin]

Even in the Iranian-Iraqi Mi-24, and without V-V missiles, they drove Hugh Cobra in the tail and mane.
And not everyone managed to escape.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Charik

I mean, against Apache, are they going to shoot each other with these missiles?

The 305th can also be in Apache. She's pretty versatile.

[Foul skeptic]

Be that as it may, the product "305" is a good trump card against the American Apache

The American "Apache" was brought to choose from a whole placer: supersonic with a range of 50 km and a three-mode seeker, transonic with a range of 20 km and a three-mode seeker, subsonic with a range of 50 km and a dual-mode seeker. So the American "Apache" is not very worried.

[lucul]

So the American "Apache" is not very worried.

Nothing, we still have Hermes in reserve.

[Ka-52]

When I need to make a decision about what to do, I'm not likely to turn to an Internet balabol like you for advice. The characteristics of this missile in the export version were disclosed at Army-2021 and do not constitute any "terrible" secret. And the readers of this public are interested in reading not only comments about "everything is lost, our army fights with shovels in shorts!", but also about what we actually have in service

[Looking for]

Well balabol is you!!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Ka-52

The author could expand the message to details

The missile has a thermal imaging homing head, a fairly accurate strapdown inertial navigation system coupled with GLONASS, an altimeter and a communication channel with the helicopter that launched it.

According to Kashin, the missile can be used in several modes. The first is the “fire and forget” mode, when it has captured the target right under the wing of the helicopter and then performs its task without any intervention from the helicopter crew.

“The second option is that the helicopter detected the target using its sighting system, transmitted the target coordinates to the missile, and then the missile initially flies in inertial mode, and then captures the target according to the standard entered into it,” Kashin said.

The third option is when the helicopter is at a distance, and its own detection and aiming equipment cannot detect the target. He was given the approximate coordinates of the target, he shoots a rocket in this area in an inertial mode. When the missile approaches the target several kilometers away, the missile transmits on board the image that the seeker sees. The navigator, who provided the launch of the rocket, indicates the target to the rocket, then the rocket captures it and aims at it until a direct hit. ■

[abc_alex]

Quote: Ka-52

In the "fire and forget" option, the missile ensures that targets are hit only within the visual visibility of the GOS

But what, there are "fire-and-forget" missiles capable of operating without target acquisition by the GOS ??? What is it like? :) Naturally, for self-guidance, a rocket must capture its own target, and not someone else's seeker. And of course, the missile seeker has a coverage area. And of course it is less than the range of "vision" of the carrier. And it is natural that the carrier brings the rocket to the target capture zone in some way. At the 305th Everything is like everyone else. Only better :)

[riwas]

New high-precision missiles entered the arsenal of Russian attack helicopters taking part in the NWO in Ukraine

In, and I was waiting for when they start talking about "305". The air defense of Ukraine has not yet been suppressed, and the use of such a long-range missile is very useful.

[novel66]

the trouble is not in air defense, but in a large number of MANPADS

[svoit]

Quote: novel xnumx

the trouble is not in air defense, but in a large number of MANPADS

The trouble is in the presence of Buk, S-300, MANPADS are not terrible if it is possible to work on targets from a height of 4 km. But air defense of medium and long range and altitude does not allow the use of aviation even at high altitude

[novel66]

we are talking about helicopters ... and there the static ceiling of 4000 is for Ka and empty, and for Milevsky it is even less

[Captain Pushkin]

For combat use, you need to watch the dynamic ceiling.
Hanging in battle at an altitude of 4 km is a dubious idea.

[novel66]

and how to work with guided missiles from a dynamic ceiling?

[Captain Pushkin]

Do planes also hang in the air when using Air-to-Ground AD?

[Captain Pushkin]

Practical, or dynamic, ceiling. This is the maximum height that a helicopter can gain while moving in two planes: vertical and horizontal.

[Genry]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Practical, or dynamic, ceiling. This is the maximum height that a helicopter can gain while moving in two planes: vertical and horizontal.

This is the height that the aircraft gains due to inertia during the pitch-up. At the top, you chronically lack engine power, lose speed and possibly lose control. Trying to aim in such conditions is fraught with disaster.

[lucul]

The air defense of Ukraine has not yet been suppressed, and the use of such a long-range missile is very useful.

Where is not depressed???? Give me a city in Ukraine whose air defense does not allow it to "calibrate"? ))))

[Ugochaves]

And why do you think the SU-34 is not smashed with cast iron in Avdiyivka? Ukrainians are just the same and hunt for our aircraft from ambush, and do not carry out object cover. And I’m wondering how to hit with a caliber something that doesn’t shine and changes its position?

[lucul]

Why do you think

Will you directly name the city of Ukraine for me, which will not allow it to be "Calibrated"?
City, please. If you name it with facts, I will believe that there is air defense in Ukraine.

[Ugochaves]

I tell you about Foma, you tell me about Yerema. I wrote about air defense in terms of the use of aviation. And you carefully read what I wrote about the use of air defense by Ukrainians.

[Bongo]

Quote: lucul

Why do you think

Will you directly name the city of Ukraine for me, which will not allow it to be "Calibrated"?
City, please. If you name it with facts, I will believe that there is air defense in Ukraine.

Absolutely any city on the planet can be "calibrated", no matter what air defense system protects it. It all depends on the order of the allocated forces. Any air defense can be suppressed and oversaturated.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

I believe that there is air defense in Ukraine.

There is air defense, only it works on the command of NATO advisers who monitor all aviation. The air defense systems themselves climb out of the shelters, turn on for a few minutes and then hide again. MANPADS - also work on command along a probable route.
If the detection radars were turned on, in constant mode, they would immediately ...

Therefore, Su-57 flights began over Ukraine, which are "invisible".

[rosomaha]

and I have such a question, why don’t ours develop a comprehensive operation to destroy air defense systems ... for example, like Israel in 1982 Medvedka-19 operas. And first of all, knock out the remaining C300, BUki, Torah, Wasp. Attract artillery and Tornadoes, ground-based electronic warfare, turntables, LC decoys, UAVs, Tu204R both, electronic warfare and RTR aircraft. Work immediately on large regions and simply sweep away everything that looks like an air defense system. To lure their air defense system out of cover, for example, single decoy aircraft. Undercover intelligence on the ground to work in this direction - I saw the launcher, immediately the coordinate to the center, the UAV on duty or the satellite leads the target, and artillery or the Republic of Kazakhstan or aviation are preparing a strike. It is necessary to clear the sky for round-the-clock control of the rear areas and for attacks on warehouses, training bases, transport highways, railway trains. The trains can, for example (if the military cargo is mixed with the passenger) be stopped by breaking the UR rails, and on the trail of the approach, accurately knock out the military cargo and technical equipment on the platform

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: rosomaha

why don’t ours develop a comprehensive operation to destroy air defense systems ... for example, like Israel in 1982

If the air defense systems in Ukraine stood rooted to the spot with periodic inclusion, like the Syrian ones in Lebanon, they would have been nullified long ago.
But the Ukrainians act like Serbs, from ambushes - they received target designation, a brief inclusion, after working out an immediate change of position.
To catch them in this mode, you need round-the-clock broadband surveillance over the entire theater of operations. From which we conclude that, alas, we do not currently have such means of intelligence.

[Genry]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

means of round-the-clock broadband surveillance over the entire theater of operations are needed.

And what's the use?
After turning off, the radar changes position, like howitzers and MLRS after a volley.

We need a system of satellite radar of the Earth's surface. But this is fantastic, because you need a powerful source of energy. Here the "Zeus" will fly - then ...

[svoit]

Quote: UgoChaves

And why do you think the SU-34 is not smashed with cast iron in Avdiyivka? Ukrainians are just the same hunting for our planes from ambush

It is necessary to improve tactics, make a massive raid with a large number of decoys and PRR, then you can reconnoiter the launcher and destroy it at the lowest cost

[ramzay21]

Better name the city over which our Tu-22M3 and Su-34 can fly freely without the risk of being shot down by air defense, using KAB-250 or KAB-500 is much cheaper than Caliber.

[Edik]

Quote: ramzay21

fly our Tu-22M3

And that it can be shot down from MANPADS? It seems to me only if you are very lucky.

[Charik]

long-range missile against air defense? -14km is against something, against anti-aircraft guns? And if the same Arrow is in motion, will Limur be able to hit it?

[Ugochaves]

What air defense are you going to hit 305? Buki or S-300 with their range, despite the fact that they still need to be found. For them we will combine other missiles.

[nikolas 83]

Finally, how many helicopters have already been lost when hovering aimed at a target .305, of course, more expensive than a whirlwind, but it fired and immediately left without endangering the equipment and lives of the pilots.

[abc_alex]

Quote: nikolas 83

Finally. How many helicopters have already been lost when hovering aimed at the target ...

How? :)
Well, really, do you have statistics on the loss of helicopters in the process? By the way, aiming at a target or posting to a target? These are different processes. The first is the search for a target and entering it into the carrier's avionics. The second is to keep the "marker" on the target while the missile flies towards it. The first can last tens of minutes, the second - seconds. And what kind of rocket you don’t attach at least Attack, at least Hellfire, but while the helicopter is looking for a tank on the battlefield, it will be swept away from the sky by many different air defense systems. And in 10 seconds, while the Attack flies to the target, it is not realistic to aim at the helicopter and shoot it down.

[APASUS]

Now it remains to wait until such installations appear for the fleet, on small pickups and so on.

[lucul]

Now it remains to wait until such installations appear for the fleet, on small pickups and so on.

I’ll correct you a little - now it remains to wait until such homing heads (fire and forget) are put on all our missiles.

[Dmitriy444]

You can watch a video of the application on buildings in a cart.

[Chikua]

Drop the link plz.

[nikolas 83]

https://t.me/sashakots/33773

[nikolas 83]

I saw the video, the picture is very good.

[Chikua]

Not a bad contraption and 25 kg. warhead)

[Nikolaevich I]

Actually, a range of 14,5 km was called for a product that received a little later the < E> index ... There were also reports that for "himself" the LMUR would reach a range of up to 20-25 km ... Well .. .it remains to wait for the moment when we find out for sure who is lying now and who is telling the truth!

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Rocket has guaranteed(!) range 14,5 kilometers. Depending on the flight altitude, on the conditions of use, this range may be longer., - explained V. Kashin

[abc_alex]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Actually, a range of 14,5 km was called for a product that received a little later the < E> index ... There were also reports that for "himself" the LMUR would reach a range of up to 20-25 km ... Well .. .it remains to wait for the moment when we find out for sure who is lying now and who is telling the truth!

The rocket was made for the MI-28NM. And its parameters are tied to the range of the machine's radar. Find the parameters of the station, understand the range of the rocket. :)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: abc_alex

The rocket was made for the MI-28NM. And its parameters are tied to the range of the machine's radar. Find the parameters of the station, understand the range of the rocket. :)

Milk! Can you read my post that begins: "According to V. Kashin ...", about the modes of application of LMUR? I hope you understand something too!

[abc_alex]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Milk! Can you read my post that begins: "According to V. Kashin ...", about the modes of application of LMUR? I hope you understand something too!

Kid, if you don't like my data, get yours. :) ki-ki.

[dnestr74]

Great, shot and forgot. .Long waited

[Ripap]

Everything in this rocket is good, only it is healthy, expensive and appeared late. We would like some kind of hellfire analogue to replace all these outdated whirlwinds and attacks that require targeting. And good radars with AFAR would not interfere with our helicopters, because they are blind like newborn kittens.

[Charik]

105kg-healthy? Here X59 is yes-healthy. Helfire weighs 50kg but also warheads 8kg and the range seems to be less than that of Limur.

[Ripap]

And why does a helicopter need a range of 25 km if it always flies at ultra-small (when it is not at war with bearded men in slippers), and is simply not able to detect and aim at a target at such a distance? 8 km behind the eyes, the main thing is to "shoot and forget", and not "hang-accompanied-caught ATGM / MANPADS-fell." And 50kg, which means you can take twice as many missiles, and really, some kind of trifle

[Roma 1977]

The detection range of a tank-type target from a helicopter stepped over ten kilometers. Product 305 is not an anti-tank missile, but a special weapon designed for high-precision destruction of important targets in the near rear of the enemy without entering the zone of return fire. That is why it is equipped with a powerful high-explosive warhead. And it is preferable to defeat armored vehicles with supersonic ATGMs like the same Vortex. They will become obsolete when they stop hitting modern armored vehicles, and not when the country with the largest budget in the world decides to cut money on homing heads.

[Ripap]

They would put you in the cockpit, under the fire of MANPADS, ATGMs and ZUShek "not obsolete" missiles at the target. Shot and forgot is not just a beautiful phrase, it is the saved lives of our pilots. ATGM Malyutka can also hit almost any modern technology, it’s not outdated, it turns out, and I don’t care that the joystick is controlled by wire.

[Roma 1977]

How many helicopters were shot down while the operator was escorting a missile guided by a laser beam? - No one. Helicopters are shot down simply when they are in the zone of enemy fire, and the higher the enemy’s concentration of MANPADS and small arms of large calibers, the higher will be the losses of helicopters, regardless of the presence of the fire-and-forget system. A modern anti-tank guided munition must be: a) accurate, b) hit any enemy armored vehicles in any projection, c) have a supersonic cruising flight speed to overcome 10 km to the target in less than 30 seconds. Modern Russian anti-tank systems of the conditional "second" generation fully satisfy all these conditions. The "fire-and-forget" system does not in any way increase the effectiveness of the helicopter against armored vehicles and is just a marketing ploy.

[Ripap]

I personally saw a video of how, at the beginning of the NMD, Ukrainians shot down our Ka-52 "Stugna", hovering in the air (guess why at once). FIG, they would have succeeded if, immediately after the launch, he abruptly turned away and began to actively maneuver (which is impossible using beam guidance).

[Roma 1977]

I saw it too. The Ka-52 did not launch at that moment, but simply ended up in the enemy's ATGM coverage area, not knowing about it. And, generally speaking, helicopters do not freeze at the moment of launch and tracking of ATGMs, but continue to move at high speed, an experienced operator usually has no problems keeping the mark on the target. The video of the correct tactical use of Russian attack helicopters is full on the net.

[Charik]

8 is probably not enough, 10-12 norms, otherwise you never know, the fool on the Strela will break into the attack, like a video where they drove around the city on the 10th, they crushed civilian cars

[abc_alex]

Quote: RipRap

And why does a helicopter need a range of 25 km if it always flies ultra-small (when it’s not fighting with bearded men in slippers), and just unable to detect and aim at a target at such a distance?

Helicopters with radar - can. The 7-8 km limit is relevant for vehicles with an aiming system based on the OLS.

[Charik]

Can it hit a moving target? If so, how? Escort before hitting or not?

[2я19]

It looks like it can't. In general, we are not very good with moving targets. We learn, we grow, but not quickly.

[Charik]

no, well, flying birds can be mobile.

[Roma 1977]

Maybe. You may or may not be accompanied. According to the situation and modifications.

[Ugochaves]

IMHO, of course, I think it can, if the speed is low. At the final stage, teleguidance and adjustment by the operator.

[Alex777]

Maybe. It was specially developed for this.
At first, the FSB was the customer. It is clear why.

[Alexey-74]

In addition to being the latest, they are still being tested in combat. and this is the best indicator.

[AlOrg]

Good news. Can be used with UAVs like Orion / Altius

[iouris]

Interesting. A missile is a missile, but if the onboard optical-electronic complex does not allow detecting targets at the maximum range, then what?

[Roma 1977]

External target designation. Checked. Works.

[iouris]

Then you can launch a rocket from anywhere. Not only from a helicopter. But this is not serious.

[Roma 1977]

The most convenient way is from a helicopter. The UAV, located directly above the enemy’s battle formations, notices a target ten kilometers from the line of contact, and a helicopter, being above its territory, launches a missile from a distance of 20 kilometers from the target. When starting from a ground installation of the same missile, its flight range will be significantly less.

[Chikua]

Firsthand. LMUR "product 305" was first demonstrated at the international forum "Army-2021"

[ada]

Opponent?
https://topwar.ru/197841-v-ssha-pereprofilirujut-raketu-jagm-klassa-vozduh-zemlja-dlja-protivovozdushnoj-oborony.html#comment-id-12589574

[Vincent price]

It is very good. Who knows what warheads she has?