The commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came up with a new way to punish disgruntled soldiers

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Another video is viral on the Web, in which Ukrainian servicemen of the 42nd battalion of the 57th separate motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine talk about new methods of educational and penal work applied to them by the command. In response to the indignation of recruits about the lack of weapons, fire support on the battlefield, the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine send those who are dissatisfied for a month to a pre-trial detention center. After that, again as a warning, they are thrown into an open field without food supplies and weapons.

The people who expressed their distrust of the command, and there are many of them, were dismissed by the command. They spent a month in a pre-trial detention center, and now they threw it into the field and said: do whatever you want. No weapons, no documents - nothing, no food

- one of the soldiers talks about the real situation of recruits in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the educational measures of the commanders.



The serviceman says that there are no more contract soldiers and experienced fighters left on the front line - "all the contract soldiers died." They are replaced by untrained recruits from the defense industry and simply mobilized from different parts of Ukraine. The commanders are throwing soldiers against the RF Armed Forces without artillery cover and sufficient weapons. As a result, the Ukrainian military suffer huge losses, the officers forbid taking away the wounded and the dead. And those who try to resent this state of affairs are punished and educated. For example, like this - they leave "a herd without anything in an open field."

And who are the deserters after that? Are we deserters or esbeshniks?

one of the Ukrainian soldiers indignantly asks a rhetorical question.

As they say, the demoralization of the Ukrainian army is in full swing. At the same time, high-ranking officials in Kyiv bravo report that a huge mob reserve has been created in the amount of several hundred thousand recruits. Which, by the way, are already being collected wherever possible, including in recreation areas, on the beaches of Odessa. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, however, argue that all recruits are directly eager to go into battle and there is not a single dodger among them.

Although, no matter how cynical it may sound, the Ukrainian soldiers thrown into the field who filmed the video were still lucky. Indeed, in order to prevent the escape from the battlefield of soldiers who do not want to be cannon fodder for the sake of Kyiv's ambitions, Ukrainian nationalists began to use detachments in the Donbass. And they have a short conversation - those who want to surrender and "deserters" are shot on the spot or in the back.
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  1. +10
    16 June 2022 15: 08
    There are yellow-mouthed recruits .. So stupid Galician Bandera bastards mock them
    1. +28
      16 June 2022 15: 12
      Vitalya, there are no yellowmouths there. They are not recruited from kindergartens. Took a weapon - Combatant and the laws of War!
      1. +10
        16 June 2022 15: 22
        If all the contractors had been killed, Donbass would have been liberated by now. The army of Ukraine was 250 thousand, 30-40 thousand they lost 200 and 300, the rest are fighting. And not bad, it's hard for ours.
        1. +11
          16 June 2022 16: 08
          Losses there are clearly not 30-40 thousand, but much more. Some two hundredths, probably under a hundred thousand, not counting the wounded, deserters, missing and surrendered. Otherwise, why would they start already and put women under arms?!
          One group in Marik was more than 20 thousand, about 3000 surrendered, where did the rest go?
          1. 0
            16 June 2022 18: 29
            Quote: Kayala
            One group in Marik was more than 20 thousand, about 3000 surrendered, where did the rest go?

            Taken out by helicopter. The only one that broke through.lol
            1. +1
              16 June 2022 20: 05
              8 thousand retreated to Mariupol, the rest retreated from the city. Of these, 500 surrendered.
      2. 0
        16 June 2022 20: 09
        Should I feel sorry for them? Not at all. Let them die.
    2. +8
      16 June 2022 15: 16
      Not only green youth, there are a lot of quite elderly people, among whom there are a lot of chronic neglected diseases, it’s really hard for them.
      1. avg
        +5
        16 June 2022 16: 03
        Quote: sailor Roman
        this is really hard for them.

        They themselves are to blame. I think that I will not reveal to them a terrible secret that their commander-in-chief, a deserter, Zelensky, evaded the army 4 times. So, as soon as they are in a pre-trial detention center, let their relatives immediately sue Ze, it’s better to the ECHR, and Amnesty International is slowing down.
        1. +5
          16 June 2022 18: 07
          Ukraine recently won the right of non-jurisdiction of the state in the ECtHR. Now you can do whatever you want and no one can complain about the Ukrainian authorities.
          1. 0
            18 June 2022 08: 49
            I didn't know, but that explains a lot.
      2. +3
        16 June 2022 16: 39
        Quote: sailor Roman
        Not only green youth, there are a lot of quite elderly people, among whom there are a lot of chronic neglected diseases, it’s really hard for them.

        To restore the combat readiness of the unit, it is necessary that at least 40% of experienced and fired personnel remain in service. In most units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine involved in the Donbass, these are now from 20 to 30%, despite the fact that more or less combat-ready units are now adhering to the Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov directions. So the incoming mobile replenishment is for the most part really used by Kuev as cannon fodder and mowed down. If you believe the words of the Zelensky luminary Podoliaki, then the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reach up to 1000 heads per day. With this approach, in order to survive, they need to go rob banks and consciously sit on the bunk. True, with this approach, the prison army will very soon exceed the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front.
        1. +6
          16 June 2022 18: 13
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          in order to survive, they need to go rob banks and consciously sit on the bunk

          Focus will fail! They will be "forgiven" and sent to the front. All the criminals have already been raked out of prisons.
          1. +3
            16 June 2022 18: 52
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            in order to survive, they need to go rob banks and consciously sit on the bunk

            Focus will fail! They will be "forgiven" and sent to the front. All the criminals have already been raked out of prisons.

            So it seems that they raked out those who are sitting on serious articles. they have long sentences and they are more motivated to replace a long prison term with a relative "freedom" with the possibility of lawlessness. And for 1-1,5 years these thieves need to change contacts in the zone, well, either get a bullet in the back from the "brother" of the Nazi, or a bullet in the forehead from the miner, whose house was destroyed by the Nazi "brother". There are not many options.
            1. +1
              16 June 2022 22: 47
              Voluntarily-compulsorily, they will be raked out of the cells and sent to the front.
        2. 0
          17 June 2022 12: 38
          There will soon be nothing to rob "everything has already been stolen before us" (c)
        3. -1
          17 June 2022 19: 29
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          those are now from 20 to 30%, despite the fact that more or less combat-ready units are now adhering to the Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov directions. So that

          Following your logic, it turns out that less combat-ready units are operating in the Donbass. Then the question arises - why are our troops advancing so slowly? Because poorly trained, poorly armed Terbatov reservists are fighting against them? So? No not like this. Our fighters are opposed by brave and persistent warriors. In a word, a worthy adversary.
          If it were the way you think, then we would have been in Lvov long ago. But we must be there. The abscess must be opened to the end. Otherwise, everything will return to normal.
          1. 0
            17 June 2022 22: 04
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Following your logic, it turns out that less combat-ready units are operating in the Donbass.
            It's not my logic, it's statistics. The point is not that there are less combat-ready units, but that experienced fighters have been knocked out in these units - do you feel the difference?
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Then the question arises - why are our troops advancing so slowly? Because poorly trained, poorly armed Terbatov reservists are fighting against them? So?

            No not like this. The delay is due to the fact that the attack is on positions that have been preparing for reflection for 8 years + the factor of using the civilian population as a human shield by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Don't you know?
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Our fighters are opposed by brave and persistent warriors. In a word, a worthy adversary.
            No one says that the Ukropostans are not capable of resistance. No matter how, but in them the same Slavic root as in us. The mentality is almost the same. It's just that the highlight is that we are fighting for the truth, and they fucking know what. As a matter of fact, I didn’t touch on the topic of who fights and how, I only pointed out that a unit can restore its combat capability only if it retains a backbone of fired fighters in the amount of at least 40% who can transmit their experience to newly arriving fighters. If this indicator is lower, then this unit will be knocked out. This is not how I see it, but how the practice of waging war shows even in Ukraine, even in Vietnam, even in World War II between the USSR and Germany.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            If it were the way you think, then we would have been in Lvov long ago. But we must be there. The abscess must be opened to the end. Otherwise, everything will return to normal.
            Lviv, as the final target of the completion of the special operation, is, let's say, not an end in itself, but it is quite a bargaining chip in terms of long-term concessions from the "entertainers" of the ongoing redistribution of borders. Yes, we can also master Lvov, but if the topic of a concession arises - Lvov for the land Suwalki corridor to Kaliningrad, then we can quite agree to such an exchange. Let Warsaw be engaged in the re-education of Bandera, and Russia will provide a direct route to Kaliningrad through Belarus, and not by ferries across the Baltic Sea. However, this is not for us to decide, and there are other, properly trained people to implement this option. hi
    3. +9
      16 June 2022 15: 25
      Quote from gansales
      ..So stupid Galician Bandera bastards mock them

      I saw a video of a prisoner of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, his words: "When we agreed with the Russians to surrender and went to them, the soldiers who had just been called up opened fire on us."
      1. +5
        16 June 2022 18: 15
        Quote: tihonmarine
        "When we agreed with the Russians to surrender and went to them, the soldiers who had just been called up opened fire on us."

        It still needs to be figured out who these "newbies" were? if this is from the defense of Lvov, then it is a completely "natural" reaction for them.
    4. +8
      16 June 2022 15: 26
      Who so stubbornly sits in Avdiivka, Lisichansk, Kramatorsk and other cities and towns of Donbass and furiously fires at the civilian population and the troops of the liberators?
      So far, this does not look like a mass phenomenon and most likely wears isolated cases.
  2. +15
    16 June 2022 15: 08
    To be honest, I don’t really believe it. Who then steadfastly rests in front of us?
    1. 0
      16 June 2022 15: 15
      Quote: tralflot1832
      To be honest, I don’t really believe it. Who then steadfastly rests in front of us?

      Surrounded by blood (about 600 thousand in 8 years) And so intimidated in front of the national battalions walking ..
      It is clear now ?
      And the United States is working there according to the hostage scheme ..
      Remember all this?

      So we know who we are fighting with !!!!
    2. +8
      16 June 2022 15: 21
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Who then steadfastly rests

      And skillfully conduct shelling from imported weapons?
    3. +2
      16 June 2022 15: 22
      Who then steadfastly rests before us?

      Yes, there is actually a paradox with "courageous" vushniks. Direct participants in the events say the following:
      1. The rapid advance of our troops is hindered by enemy artillery, with which we cannot effectively and most importantly fast fight (no shock drones, weak counter-battery fight);
      2. As soon as the battle begins at close range, the enemy immediately retreats.
      1. 0
        16 June 2022 15: 55
        1. The rapid advance of our troops is hindered by enemy artillery, with which we cannot effectively and most importantly quickly fight (there are no shock drones, weak counter-battery combat);
        And as soon as the Wehrmacht did not think of using artillery in defense: after all, the Red Army did not have shock drones and counter-battery radars ...
        request
        1. 0
          16 June 2022 16: 08
          after all, the Red Army did not have shock drones and counter-battery radars

          And the Wehrmacht did not have drones to adjust artillery fire and the NATO satellite constellation wink
          1. +2
            16 June 2022 16: 09
            And the Wehrmacht did not have drones to adjust artillery fire

            Did the Red Army have electronic warfare and air defense systems?
        2. +3
          16 June 2022 20: 59
          Quote: Negruz
          And as soon as the Wehrmacht did not think of using artillery in defense:
          And where did you get the idea that he didn’t think of it, he really thought of it, and so far everything was fine with the art. our troops not only suffered heavy losses, but often had to stop the offensive
  3. +8
    16 June 2022 15: 10
    Quite naturally. So let those who have something to think about and don’t have blood on their hands ... there are two ways out:
    1. Remain XNUMXth on the battlefield.
    2. Hands uphill and captured, with the ability to survive.
    1. +6
      16 June 2022 15: 30
      Quote: Hunter 2
      . So let those who have something to think about and don’t have blood on their hands ... there are two ways out:
      1. Remain XNUMXth on the battlefield.
      2. Hands uphill and captured, with the ability to survive.


      Captivity even in the Ukrainian army, not a desire to surrender, but hopelessness.
    2. +6
      16 June 2022 16: 20
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Quite naturally. So let those who have something to think about and don’t have blood on their hands ... there are two ways out:
      1. Remain XNUMXth on the battlefield.
      2. Hands uphill and captured, with the ability to survive.

      Here the other day there was information that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who decided to surrender and went out towards the Russian military with white flags, were shot by the Nazis in the back. It seems like 36 people were put.
    3. +6
      16 June 2022 16: 31
      The Wehrmacht had "frames".
  4. +8
    16 June 2022 15: 11
    ..... the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine send the dissatisfied for a month to a pre-trial detention center. After that ... they are thrown into an open field without food and weapons.

    Let these dissatisfied shoot such commanders.
  5. sen
    +4
    16 June 2022 15: 17
    The serviceman says that there are no more contract soldiers and experienced fighters left on the front line - "all the contract soldiers died." They are replaced by untrained recruits from the defense industry and simply mobilized from different parts of Ukraine.

    But the brains are well washed and therefore stubborn. It is easier to beat such people, but they are afraid of the Nazis and their commanders, and captivity only surrenders when it is strongly pressed.
    1. +2
      16 June 2022 15: 58
      It seems to me that when one force (no, the Force) breaks down in open confrontation with another Force, it is then that respect arises for this "other Force" ....
      By the way, the brains are also "cleansed" of alluvial and diarrhea ....
      hi
  6. +6
    16 June 2022 15: 17
    Spent a month in jail
    For them, a month in a pre-trial detention center instead of a front line is just a gift, it’s better to just surrender, but it’s more difficult.
    1. +1
      17 June 2022 15: 04
      ... it's better to just surrender, but it's more difficult.

      Inspired. Arestovich stated that only professionals can properly surrender. wassat
  7. +3
    16 June 2022 15: 33
    Yes, yes, there are no experienced fighters, there are no broad patriots, they killed everyone, yeah, only you look at the reports of the "cart" and other sources and you hear FERIOUS battles, FERIOUS resistance, who butts there with such persistence?
  8. +3
    16 June 2022 15: 36
    Fascism in all its glory.
  9. +3
    16 June 2022 15: 43
    And who are the deserters after that? Are we deserters or esbeshniks?
    . So you can say who they are .... but when I thought of it myself, it would be more accurate.
    In general, what they chose, then they have it!
  10. -8
    16 June 2022 15: 51
    And the riflemen and sentry patriots howled for a month and a half during the day and night, they say, terbats are being transferred to the Donbass, and the personnel units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are withdrawn to a "secret place" in western Ukraine, where they assemble a highly professional "army of retaliation" armed with NATO-supplied weapons, for subsequent counter-offensive with the "prospect" of overthrowing the regime of the "Kremlin dwarfs" (they used to write in short: "everyone to the Maidan !!", hmmm, sorry) ....

    Now we look at "news from the fields":
    The serviceman says that there are no more contract soldiers and experienced fighters left on the front line - "all the contract soldiers died."
    1. 0
      17 June 2022 18: 20
      Citizens: if you decide to conduct a "mini-census" of the above-mentioned comrades with minuses, leave your nicknames under this comment for experiment and "feedback"
      hi
  11. Mwg
    0
    16 June 2022 15: 56
    Soon they will reach the spike there.
    General degradation is growing like an avalanche
    1. +2
      16 June 2022 16: 14
      Well, no need to exaggerate so much! laughing Put in a pre-trial detention center and put on a stake - two big differences! wink
      1. Mwg
        -1
        17 June 2022 03: 47
        ibu ibudi da tao mudi
  12. +6
    16 June 2022 16: 04
    In the end, this story may just be pressure on pity when surrendering. what they say is true, it means that NATO is fighting against us. mummers and "accepted" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine .. - let's already call the war a war .. If you remember - even in World War I, not only Europeans, but also Americans met in the trenches, for which then the devil went to war .., And in Spain or later in Europe in World War II? And today, in Ukraine, everyone who is not lazy is fighting .. And they openly call us enemies and apply sanctions, because of which, in the days of the USSR, they already a nuclear mushroom would have flaunted over London and New York ... And somehow foreign mercenaries from Azovstal disappeared into the fog, including an American general who got into the frame .. The Pope begged to see sins .. And American satellites and weapons have nothing to do with it. . , really? There, after all, such bezoru are fighting against us gentle and unfortunate militias who were given shovels instead of machine guns?
  13. +2
    16 June 2022 16: 12
    And who are the deserters after that? Are we deserters or esbeshniks?

    one of the Ukrainian soldiers indignantly asks a rhetorical question.

    The Ukrainian soldier is asking the wrong question.
    Who in this situation are Debil vushniks or esbushniks?
    These vushniks are openly mocked, but they still do not understand.
    Everyone is afraid of not being "zradniks". It's possible with morons, but it's scary with zradniks. fool
  14. +2
    16 June 2022 16: 13
    I liked the content of the post very much.
    If everything had been exactly like this everywhere at the front, then Banderlogia would definitely have been controlled by the New Year!
  15. +4
    16 June 2022 17: 13
    I think whoever wants to surrender will find a way to get rid of their guardians ...........
  16. +5
    16 June 2022 17: 28
    Where the United States, the local population will never overthrow the government, even if this government openly destroys the population.
    What a coincidence. Wherever the United States is located, the authorities controlled by them can do anything and get away with anything ... even the destruction of their population ... and the local population, like terpils, are silent in a rag, everything suits them .. strangely, judging by Yanukovych, he is generally for a meager they threw it off ... and here the country is in hell ... everything is destroyed .... the population is destroyed directly .. and silence .... like in Armenia, a complete failure and betrayal of Pashinyan .. and the people are silent ..... now you made sure what kind of democracy the United States is establishing - this is TYRANNY and the voluntarily controlled leadership of the United States in these countries will never give up power even if half of the population there dies at the hands of this government.
  17. +2
    16 June 2022 17: 30
    There are no words, you need to bury the creatures alive in the ground.
  18. +2
    16 June 2022 17: 41
    After that, again as a warning, they are thrown into an open field without food and weapons.
    Welcome to captivity.
  19. +3
    16 June 2022 19: 22
    How scary to be in a field in the middle of Ukraine without documents and weapons. After that, of course, you will go to fight in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and you will start getting Nazi tattoos. Creepy horror....
  20. +2
    16 June 2022 19: 34
    Malatsy, th...
  21. +2
    16 June 2022 20: 09
    Just some miracles.
  22. 0
    16 June 2022 20: 30
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: sailor Roman
    Not only green youth, there are a lot of quite elderly people, among whom there are a lot of chronic neglected diseases, it’s really hard for them.

    To restore the combat readiness of the unit, it is necessary that at least 40% of experienced and fired personnel remain in service. In most units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine involved in the Donbass, these are now from 20 to 30%, despite the fact that more or less combat-ready units are now adhering to the Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov directions. So the incoming mobile replenishment is for the most part really used by Kuev as cannon fodder and mowed down. If you believe the words of the Zelensky luminary Podoliaki, then the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reach up to 1000 heads per day. With this approach, in order to survive, they need to go rob banks and consciously sit on the bunk. True, with this approach, the prison army will very soon exceed the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front.

    So it's better than bunk beds than bare fields.
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  24. 0
    17 June 2022 19: 54
    bullshit from whiners. having been captured, for example, to American soldiers in World War II and in Korea and Vietnam, a training manual !! everything was to be said. All that he knew, all that they want to hear and all that they require
  25. 0
    18 June 2022 06: 30
    I read the comments ... We are talking about soldiers here, but in order to understand, I think we need to talk with the residents. I will tell you a heavy feeling after a conversation with relatives and colleagues! And at the end it begins, yes, we will take up arms ... It is clear that emotions and hatred, but still they are jumping in the rear, kangaroos will envy! In my opinion, these races will end when the "reserve" is left without food. There is another question, by analogy with the rear "heroes", which sooner or later we will get, the backbone has long since disappeared into a foreign zoo ....
  26. +1
    20 June 2022 09: 48
    It is possible that ordinary misinformation
  27. 0
    20 June 2022 13: 58
    So who is hitting in Donetsk?