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The Rise and Fall of the Assassin Terrorist State

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The Rise and Fall of the Assassin Terrorist State

Article "The Nizari State of the Assassins" we talked about Sunnis, Shiites, Ismailis and Nizaris, as well as about Hasan ibn Sabbah, who managed to create a kind of state, whose fedai kept the rulers and high officials of neighboring countries in fear. Today we will continue this story.


Assassins and Elders of the Mountain


The rulers of the Nizari state are often referred to as the "Old Men of the Mountain". There is reason to believe that this "title" was invented by the crusaders, who called so only the Syrian Nizari sheikhs they knew. They knew little about their Persian counterparts - at best they had heard that they existed. Moreover, the title "Elder" itself was formed by the Europeans who arrived in Palestine, as a literal translation of the word "sheikh" - an elder.

For example, the Spanish Rabbi Benjamin of Tudel, who visited Syria in 1167, writes about the leader of the Syrian Nizari:

"Sheikh al-Hashishin is known as their elder, the elder."

Of course, the locals immediately reported to the crusaders about the terrible fedai of the Nizari, adding colorful fiction to the truth. And the crusaders themselves, returning to Europe, did not see anything wrong in adding something from themselves, finding extremely grateful listeners at home.

The incredible devotion of the Fedais to their “Elder” is narrated in the story that has become incredibly popular in Europe about the visit of Henri Champagne to the fortress of the Syrian sheikh of the Nizari either in 1193 or in 1194. Its first source is considered to be the continuation of the chronicle of Guillaume of Tire. Then, at a signal from the leader of the Nizari, several people allegedly jumped from the walls of the fortress into the abyss in front of the guest.


Assassin jumping into the abyss in one of the modern illustrations

Many modern researchers believe that this is a reworking of the ancient legend about Alexander the Great, in which there is a similar story. The legend about the “Garden of Eden”, “Gurias” and Khashshishins, which was described in the previous article, was widely spread among the local Muslim population and was not ignored.

The crusaders who came to Palestine distorted the word "hashshishin", which began to sound like assassins. In French (and in some other languages), it entered as a synonym for a hired killer - and became a "false friend of translators."

You probably remember that in the film "Angels and Demons", based on the novel by Dan Brown, there is an assassin who comes from out of nowhere. In fact, this character has nothing to do with the Sabbahites, who have long remained in the past - he is just a highly qualified "killer" hired by the film's anti-hero.

The word assassins came to our country from France, having changed, according to the rules of the Russian language, where there can be no repetition of double consonants in one word - it turned out “assassins”.

Rumors about the formidable fedayeen of the "Old Men of the Mountain" turned out to be weapons even more terrible than the Sabbachites themselves. Many Islamic rulers, and after them the rulers of the crusader states, began to pay tribute to the Nizari sheikhs in order to protect themselves from the killer's dagger, which could be anyone. It is known that the Nizari envoy came to the French king Louis IX (Saint) who arrived in Acre, who suggested that he, “following the example of other sovereigns”, make a gift to the “Old Man of the Mountain”. It can be concluded that the practice of such “gifts” was common at that time, and therefore this visit did not surprise anyone. Marco Polo says:

“I’ll tell you the truth, many kings and barons, out of fear, paid tribute to the Elder and were friends with him.”

The first victim of Hasan's fedai, as we remember, was the vizier of the Seljuk Sultanate Nizam al-Mulk, who was killed in the village of Sakhna, located south of modern Tehran. The name of the killer has been preserved - Bu Tahir Arrani, who approached the vizier under the guise of a Sufi dervish.


The assassination of Nizam al-Mulk by the Ismaili fedai. Miniature of a XNUMXth-century manuscript

By the way, there is a legend known as "History about three comrades. It tells about three friends who, in their youth, studied in Nishapur under the same teacher. Their names are Omar Khayyam, Nizam al-Mulk and ... Hasan ibn Sabbah. They supposedly swore that the first person to succeed in life would help the rest. Such was Nizam al-Mulk, who became the vizier of the Seljuk Sultanate. He appointed a "stipend" to Omar, but his further relations with Hasan did not work out.

In fact, Nizam al-Mulk was the principal enemy of the Ismailis, and back in the 1080s. ordered the arrest of Hasan ibn Sabbah.

After the reprisal against this vizier during the life of Hasan, his fedai, as we remember, killed 49 more people. But, perhaps, the list of potential victims was longer, it was just that the Sabbahits did not manage to get to one of the "condemned" ones.

Successors of Hasan ibn Sabbah


The founder of the Nizari state died in 1124. He transferred power not to one of his sons, but to a council of four closest associates. However, after a few years, only Kiya Buzurg-umid remained alive, whose power became hereditary.

The policy of terror was continued, and already on the orders of other Nizari sheikhs, three caliphs, six viziers, several dozen governors of regions and rulers of cities, as well as clergymen authoritative among Muslims and the great Persian scholar Abu al-Mahasin were killed. However, gradually the Nizari state, created by Hassan ibn Sabbah, from an independent political force with its own ideas and principles, turned into a lair of banal racketeers and mercenaries. The services of the Nizari fedai were actively used by both Muslims and Christians of the crusader states.

The Nizari sheikhs tried, unsuccessfully, to kill the famous Salah ad-Din and immediately took money from this sultan for the elimination of his opponents. It is believed that it was on his order that Margrave Konrad of Tire was killed.

In 1192, the ruler of the Kingdom of Jerusalem Conrad, the eighth Marquis of Montferrat, the cousin of Frederick Barbarossa, the French king Louis VII and Leopold V of Austria, was also killed by the Nizari fedai (currently Montferrat is part of the Italian province of Piedmont).

Conrad was attacked by two assassins in the street. The guards killed one of the attackers, the second was taken alive, but he died under torture without saying a word. According to one version, Konrad died on the spot. According to another, he was wounded, but survived, but one of the assassins managed to escape. Learning that Conrad had survived, the fedayeen made his way to the palace at night, finished off the king, and then calmly surrendered to the guards.


This is what Conrad of Montferrat looks like in the portrait of Pico (painted in 1843), which can be seen in the Hall of the Crusaders in Versailles

It is curious that Richard the Lionheart, detained in Germany, among other things, was accused of having links with the Assassins, who allegedly killed Konrad on his order. The fact is that Leopold of Austria was an ally of Conrad of Montferrat. And Richard the Lionheart, as a pretender to the throne, supported Guy de Lusignan, his vassal in possessions in Poitou. And Conrad was killed just 4 days after the official election as king of Jerusalem, which, indeed, looks very suspicious.

quoted by us in first article William of Newburgh assures that the “Old Man of the Mountain”, having learned that Richard was accused of the murder of Conrad, sent letters to the crusader states with the following content:

“Since we have heard that the murder of the Marquis of Montferrat is attributed by many to King Richard of England, as if we put him to death by his machinations… we declare the truth of this affair… Therefore, we write to you all… that the Marquis did not in any way obtain his death by the king’s design , but in fact, since he offended us, and being warned, could not correct himself, he died in justice, at the hands of our scouts, according to our will and by our order.

But it is hardly possible to recognize the English canon as an impartial witness in the case of the English king.

The German Emperor Frederick II Hohenstaufen was also accused of having links with the Assassins, this was one of the reasons for his excommunication from the Church (one of three).

In 1214, the son of the prince of Antioch, Raymond, was also killed by the Fedayeen.

But there was a force in Palestine that even the heirs of Hasan ibn Sabbah did not risk confronting. Jacques de Vitry, a French historian, participant in the XNUMXth crusade, bishop of Acre, and later a cardinal, wrote:

"The Assassins were at that time indebted to the Templars, paying them two thousand bezants annually so that the Templars would not attack their lands."

The English canon chronicler William of Newburgh, familiar to us, explains why the Fedai, who are terrible for everyone else, turned out to be powerless in this case:

“The elder of the mountain knew that he would achieve nothing by killing any master of this order - after all, the Templars would immediately choose another and would cruelly avenge the murdered.”

The rules established by Hassan ibn Sabbah began to erode and collapse under the grandson of his successor (Buzurg-umida) - Hasan, who officially abolished many Sharia provisions in the territory subject to him, including the five daily prayers, declared fasting optional, allowed the use of wine, music lessons, songs and dances. He declared himself a descendant of Nizar, the son of al-Mustansir, that is, in fact, a hidden imam. The original asceticism remained in the past, the Nizari sheikhs were mired in luxury. The state created by Hassan ibn Sabbah was losing the last vestiges of its former ideology and was declining.

Ala ad-Din Muhammad, who was the head of the Nazarites in 1221-1255, moved the main residence from impregnable Alamut to the more habitable, but at the same time well-fortified Maimun-Diz (Maimundiz), built between 1097-1103.

The fall of the Nizari state of the "Elders of the Mountain"


At first, the Mongol campaigns did not affect the fortresses of the Nizari, since they were located away from large cities and trade routes. However, the Nizari themselves attracted attention when their ambassadors in Karakorum delivered some impudent letter to the elected Great Khan Guyuk. But Guyuk soon died, and therefore the temnik Eljigei, who had received an order to attack the Nizari fortresses, did not have time to do anything against them.

But the bandit state of the successors of Hassan ibn Sabbah was already so tired of everyone that the inhabitants of Kuhistan (“Mountainous Country”, the region of the Iranian Highlands between the deserts of Deshte-Kevir and Deshte-Lut) complained about the Nizari to the new Great Khan - Munk. He ordered to sort out the situation, and in March 1253 a detachment of the temnik Keith-Boogie came here. His forces were too small to storm the well-fortified fortresses. Before the approach of the main army, he managed to capture two cities (Tun and Turshiz) and two fortresses (Mizrin and Kemal). But on December 1, 1255, the Nizari imam Ala ad-Din was killed by conspirators. Rukn ad-Din, who replaced him, soon capitulated, giving up his state to the Mongols with little or no resistance.

So, in 1256, the main forces of the army of the grandson of Genghis Khan Hulagu entered Kuhulistan.


Hulagu at the head of an army in a medieval Persian miniature

On November 15, 1256, the assault on the residence of the last imam of the Nizari Rukn ad-din Khurshah began, which lasted 4 days. The Mongols suffered heavy losses, but they could not take the fortress.


Siege of Alamut by Hulagu's army

Hulagu's war with the Nizari could have dragged on for years, if not decades, if on November 19 Rukn al-Din himself had not cowardly surrendered the Meimundiz fortress to the Mongols. Moreover, he sent messengers to other strongholds with orders to surrender. 40 fortresses then submitted to the Mongols without a fight, but Lamasar, Girdkuh and Alamut continued to resist. The Mongols managed to take Lamasar only a year later, and Girdkuh held out for 20 years. Can you imagine how the Mongols would have “bogged down” in this war if the other 40 Nizari fortresses had also resisted?

As for Alamut, the outstanding astronomer, mathematician and philosopher Nasir al-Din at-Tusi, who wrote a number of scientific works in this fortress, has been in it for a long time. It was he who contributed to the surrender of Alamut to the Mongols - already on December 19, 1256. After that, he became an adviser and astrologer to Khan Hulagu.

An extensive library was found in Alamut, the books of which were studied by the Persian historian Juvaini, who accompanied Hulagu. Among others, a manuscript of Serguzasht-i seyidna was found, which described the life of Hasan ibn Sabbah. It became one of the main sources of his own works on the history of the Nizari state.

Some manuscripts dealing with Ismaili dogmas and the teachings of the Nizari were deemed so harmful that they were burned. Probably, this can serve as evidence of the high quality of these works and their great danger as propaganda materials.

Looking ahead, let's say that under the Safavids, Alamut served as a place of exile for the opponents of these shahs, then it was abandoned, and in 2004 it was almost destroyed by an earthquake.


Ruins of Alamut. It is unlikely that there would be a place for a "Garden of Eden" with the notorious "houris"

The last ruler of the Nizari state, Rukn ad-din Khurshah, was sent to the court of the great Khan Mongke in Karakorum. However, Hulagu was soon informed about what “kingdom of horror” he had destroyed, and the Khan sent nukers after the caravan with Hurgah, who finished off this imam of the Assassins.

But in the hands of the Nizari there were still fortresses in Syria, which the Mongols could not conquer. And in June 1272, one of the last assassins attacked the English prince Edward Long-legged in Acre, but he himself was killed in the fight against him. Nevertheless, he managed to wound Edward in the arm, the wound festered and the prince was ill for a long time.


Prince Edward fights an assassin. Drawing by G. Dore

But in 1273, the troops of the Mamluk Sultan of Egypt, Baibars, captured the last fortress of the Nizari.

The terrible state created by Hasan ibn Sabbah ceased to exist, but the Ismailis and Nizari did not disappear and did not dissipate like smoke.

Part of the Ismailis moved to India - mainly to Bombay, where they formed the Bohra communities, headed by an imam with the title of Aga Khan. Currently, the head of the Ismailis of India is considered one of the richest people in the world. The Nizarites formed the Khoja community, from which the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, came from. The Khoja community also includes the influential Pakistani Bhutto family, which gave the country its first female prime minister.

Since the XNUMXth century, Ismailism has been recognized as a variety of Shiism in Iran as well.

Quite large Ismaili and Nizari communities appeared in Kenya, Tanzania, the historical region of Badakhshan, which is now divided between Tajikistan and Afghanistan, and in about 20 other countries in Asia and Africa. And now they live already in Europe.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 05: 18
    +2
    Throughout the known history of mankind, some create and produce, others kill and rob. The desire to parasitize, dressing up this way of life with various theories, rituals, traditions, fictional events and patrons (even heavenly ones) is repeated and modernized. To be honest, someone enjoys the study of such a past, but to me it only speaks of the manifestation of animal nature in people who are not able to do something themselves. By cruelty to their own kind, the ability to kill, they mask their worthlessness, inability to live and exist in isolation (independently).
    1. nemez
      nemez 18 June 2022 06: 25
      +6
      I agree in some ways, but then the special forces of any country can be attributed to the assassins. The Soviet ideology, in my opinion, united both Christians and Muslims. There were the basic rules introduced in zvkon. Stalin, as a seminarian, did the right thing by introducing these commandments into the country's constitution. All the same, he was a brilliant politician.
    2. VLR
      18 June 2022 06: 39
      +13
      "Inability to do something yourself"? But Hasan ibn Sabbah created a state that existed in a hostile environment for 183 years.
      About cruelty, however strange and paradoxical it may sound, one can also argue. Caliphs and kings sent entire armies to solve their problems, which killed a bunch of people and devastated vast areas. And the "Starets" ordered to kill only one person to solve his problems. On the other hand, both Muslims and Christians willingly used the services of the terrorists "people of the mountains", so it can be argued that for many years the existence of the assassins was beneficial to everyone! And only as the leaders degenerated and degraded, which turned Hassan's state into an ordinary organized criminal group, the assassins lost their original function. But, with the death of the state, ordinary nizaris remained. And they even play a prominent role in some states, as in Pakistan.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 08: 50
        +1
        Quote: VlR
        But Hasan ibn Sabbah created a state that existed in a hostile environment for 183 years.

        In this case, tell us how this state of 183 provided itself with food, clothing, building materials and who dealt with weapons, ammunition, etc., etc. And if it was bought, then at the expense of what resources.
        I like it:
        Quote: nemez
        then the special forces of any country can be attributed to the assassins.
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 June 2022 12: 38
          +5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: VlR
          But Hasan ibn Sabbah created a state that existed in a hostile environment for 183 years.

          In this case, tell us how this state of 183 provided itself with food, clothing, building materials and who dealt with weapons, ammunition, etc., etc. And if it was bought, then at the expense of what resources.
          I like it:
          Quote: nemez
          then the special forces of any country can be attributed to the assassins.

          hi Yes, simply, Yuri Vasilyevich. "Protection" brings good income, if without "frills", worthy. The names of the accountants of this branch of the Ismailis are in the shadows ... Like many names of employees of the CIA and the Patriotic Security Service ... smile
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 18 June 2022 12: 38
        +4
        But there were also those who absolutely did not care about all the "intrigues" of the Assassins, and with whom these "brothers" could not do anything, I mean the Templars. Did everything depend on the organization of society? Or is it fatalism and blind faith?

        Thanks for the article, Valery. good
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 June 2022 14: 13
          +2
          hi Greetings Konstantin. ... Well, I can’t accustom myself to "Uncle Kostya" in any way .... You still refer to the opposition of supporters of one or another branch of the "heirs" ... Templars, supporters of orderliness or assassins, supporters of "revolution" and social . shocks of a different kind...
          And "blind" Vera has little place here.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 June 2022 14: 48
            +2
            Hi Andrew! smile
            Well, I can’t accustom myself to "Uncle Kostya" either.

            Well, don't, that's not the point. drinks
            What "heirs" do you mean? I can’t compare the adherents of Muhammad and Jesus Christ at all, I’m not baptized and I don’t believe, but Islam is so alien to me that talking about “supporters of social upheavals of a different kind” in comparison with the Templars, in my opinion, does not make sense at all. Although both are far from the angelic image.
            1. Fat
              Fat 18 June 2022 15: 05
              +2
              Yes, and me... The heirs are those who believe. Only everything .... Well, they believe that the earth is flat, in aliens and so on ....
              So yes, it’s easy to treat religions like you can’t treat your favorite machine gun easily ...
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 June 2022 15: 10
                +2
                Another religion is more terrible than any machine gun.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 18 June 2022 15: 27
                  +2
                  Oh, then! I would like to be brief, but the format does not rule. ))
                  P.S. Now I don’t know how to express emotions in the style of the epistolary genre of the 19th century,
                  We are now helped by generally accepted symbols.
                  I wonder what "emoticons" have been like for hundreds of years...
                  It is impossible to imagine how emotions were briefly depicted by our ancestors, in addition to writing (doubtfully).
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 18 June 2022 16: 04
                    +2
                    It is impossible to imagine how emotions were briefly depicted by our ancestors, in addition to writing (doubtfully).

                    It is possible to imagine, but it is not worth portraying, censorship will not stand it. laughing
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 18 June 2022 16: 13
                      +2
                      Konstantin, Censorship on graphics is still loyal wassat
                      Will endure! "What has technology come to ... No, it's me myself, on skis ..." (C)
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 17: 02
                        +2
                        Censorship on graphics is still loyal

                        Not at all, the site has a warning about obscene graphics.
                      2. Fat
                        Fat 18 June 2022 17: 40
                        +2
                        You might think that a remarkable, unexpected r (g) hell is conceived ...
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 18 June 2022 12: 51
        +3
        Quote: VlR
        Caliphs and kings sent entire armies to solve their problems, which killed a bunch of people and devastated vast areas. And the "Starets" ordered to kill only one person to solve his problems.

        Moreover, the person who, being the instigator of the battle, most likely would not have suffered in the battle itself.
        "Sometimes one dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords at dawn" (c)
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 18 June 2022 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: Hyperion
          .
          "Sometimes one dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords at dawn" (c)
          Can you remember the history Iga Province Japan, Sengoku period...

          The "lonely dagger" is eventually hired to work for the "fat purse".
          hi
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 18 June 2022 06: 37
    +7
    The original asceticism remained in the past, the Nizari sheikhs were mired in luxury.
    "Fell into nothingness" (c)
  3. ee2100
    ee2100 18 June 2022 08: 41
    +7
    Hasan was without conditionally a great politician of his time and a very charismatic figure.
    The fact that there are so many legends and fiction around the Assassins is most likely they themselves tried.
    PR and in the Middle Ages, no one canceled.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 08: 56
      -2
      Quote: ee2100
      Hasan was without conditionally a great politician of his time and a very charismatic figure.

      Indeed ... A figure widely known in a narrow circle ... We and Shamil Basayev are well known ...
      It's a pity no one remembers the name of the creator of the wheel... request
      It may be true that:
      Good deeds cannot be made famous.

      hi
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 18 June 2022 09: 07
        +4
        In vain you are so "a figure widely known in a narrow circle"!
        A bunch of sources write about the Assassins and it is their contemporaries. Where is the truth and where are fictional stories is another matter.
        But the brand "assassin" has remained and lives for centuries. And, as the author rightly pointed out, the word entered some languages.
        Basayev will be remembered by our generation and that's it.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 09: 20
          0
          Quote: ee2100
          A bunch of sources write about the Assassins and it is their contemporaries.

          And how many sources describe the Genesis and life of Jesus?
          Quote: ee2100
          Where is the truth and where are fictional stories is another matter.

          Sometimes I listen to preachers - the impression is that they themselves were present during the events ...
          And we still have not figured out how and who pulled the legacy of the USSR.
          *****
          Don't despair. I put the author (+), and everything is clear in the title:
          Rise and fall terrorist state assassins

          Probably something like that will be written about the USA someday. That's why the first post was:
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Throughout known human history some create and produce, others kill and rob. The desire to parasitize, dressing up this way of life with various theories, rituals, traditions, fictional events and patrons (even heavenly ones) is repeated and modernized.

          I don’t understand what is so entertaining (worthy of imitation and the name “great”) was remembered by the contemporaries of Herostratus, Nero ...
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 18 June 2022 09: 28
            +5
            Your comment is rhetorical. I agree. But no one questions the existence of the state of the Assassins and their leaders.
            Maybe I'll add to the story.
            Many write that would-be killers were drugged with hashish, and so on.
            I also read a more plausible version, but more bloodthirsty.
            The academy of assassins was the strictest selection. And when an interview was arranged with the winner of the competition, he was offered to communicate with the "former" killer, who is already in paradise, as proof of a wonderful afterlife.
            Everyone knows the trick with the talking head. Here is something in the likeness and arranged for the future adept. The head answered all questions, and then, in the morning, the future killer was shown hanging on the wall with the words: “Do you remember talking to him yesterday? The head has been here for a long time, and he himself is in paradise.” That's the whole trick.
            And this was enough for the student to believe in a wonderful afterlife.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 09: 47
              +2
              Quote: ee2100
              Maybe I'll add to the story.

              In rainy weather, such calm communication causes a feeling of complete moral satisfaction. Thank you!
              hi
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 18 June 2022 10: 02
                +4
                In St. Petersburg decently! In the morning the weather is good, warm, yet. laughing
                One more addition.
                Many, incl. and the author accepts the existence of the Assassin state as a given.
                But rather not from a good life, Hasan chose such a model as assassination squads. He and his followers had a problem with human resources. So we decided - why maintain a huge army? Enough of a small special forces and few people decide to invade the borders of your state.
                A couple of kills and corresponding advertising in the region and everything is OK!
      2. VLR
        18 June 2022 09: 24
        +13
        Neither Shamil, nor Dudayev, nor Basaev created their own state - unlike Hassan June Sabbah. Just as Nazarbayev and others did not create states, having received states as a result of Yeltsin's betrayal, who drank the USSR away in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. We recently celebrated another "black day" in the calendar of Russian history: June 12, the date and anniversary of Yeltsin's election as president of Russia. Therefore, I do not trust Putin, who says the right words, but continues to honor Yeltsin, carefully preserves the Yeltsin Center, which harms Russia, and forces schoolchildren to read the slanderous opuses of Judas Solzhenitsyn.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 18 June 2022 09: 41
          +9
          Valery, you know what is interesting, I have not met a person who celebrated the write-off of the entire amount of cash from a bank card by scammers, but on June 12, many people celebrate. laughing
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 18 June 2022 09: 59
            +3
            Themselves or inspired by music? ++++++ hi
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 18 June 2022 11: 00
              +3
              Themselves or inspired by music?
              Yeah, A. Vivaldi, "The Seasons"
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 07
                +3
                Many musicians have the "seasons" cycle!
                Let there be Vivaldi.
                This is from an old music joke. drinks
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 13
                  +4
                  This is from an old music joke.


                  I wonder what the "bald man from the third row" will say? laughing

                  Hi Sasha! smile
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 15
                    +4
                    Hi Kostya!
                    Well it seems! Interpretations are different.
                    At a classical music concert.
                    The man began to smoke, lulled by the music, and suddenly woke up abruptly and asked loudly: 'Who said .... Your mother?'
                    Those around him zatsykali: "hush, hush!"
                    And so it happened a couple more times.
                    After the next time, as the man woke up, he said: "Is it really inspired by music !?"
                    Are you talking about this one?
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 24
                      +5
                      No, it was different.
                      Conservatory, Tchaikovsky's 2nd Piano Concerto.
                      A man asks a neighbor: "Will you get out of your throat?"
                      He went nuts and refused.
                      Well, then the man with the bottle questioned everyone, right down to "the bald one from the third row."
                      In the end, I had to drink alone. smile
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 36
                        +4
                        Do you think this is a joke?
                        It was real with me, my wife will confirm under oath.
                        End of 2002 We are at the Notre Dame musical in Moscow. On our row is a man with an open bottle of champagne. I looked at him, apparently interested, also thought that this only happens in jokes, but he saw that I was looking and holding out a bottle to me.
                        I still regret that I didn't. laughing
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 46
                        +4
                        Not good, offended a person. laughing But champagne, this is overkill and sybaritism, in my time they drank port wine, but, however, only in the movies. Although... The last time I was at the conservatory was at the age of thirteen, then I didn’t drink anything except compote, and then... the devil knows. drinks
                      3. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 49
                        +4
                        Our friend takes cognac to any performance. Very good for understanding what is happening!
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 12: 21
                        +3
                        I agree with her, some events do not work at all without half a liter. laughing
                      5. Fat
                        Fat 18 June 2022 18: 38
                        +2
                        I'm younger. In my time, they drank port wine in the ice palace from a carefully carried pocket 700 gr. flasks, outside the opposing team's goal, for each goal. Sometimes it was not enough, but sometimes it was just a game, sir.
                        Oddly enough, the Philharmonic has never announced a normal concert. Alas, not all "chamber" music appealed to me. Did not take root at once. Already after, when I-no appeared something torknulo.
                      6. VLR
                        18 June 2022 12: 36
                        +5
                        For some reason, a Chechen boy who boarded a train in Grozny in the second half of the 80s (I was on my way to a conference in Makhachkala) immediately offered me ice cream, which I held in my hands (I refused). A graduate student from Baku then paid for 15 people in a cafe. And another, from Tashkent, over tea with Uzbek lemons, assured that real Uzbeks should have blue or green eyes (he had black ones). In Makhachkala, by the way, they met me in a Zhiguli, took me to the registration, and then to the hotel - not the organizers, but, as they would say now, "volunteers" from local students. Still, something similar to the friendship of peoples was in the USSR. With difficulty then people quarreled.
                      7. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 15: 40
                        +3
                        I agree, it was. Yesterday I took the car for painting, called a taxi back. The rain was drizzling, went into a cafe, asked "can I wait?"
                        Uzbeks. Rather not kindly answered that it was possible and said "I went into a Russian cafe and asked for the rain to wait and they didn't let me in"
                        It’s not pleasant enough that in St. Petersburg, in general, there is a division into Russian and other institutions on a national basis.
                        It is clear that visitors from other republics do not occupy leadership positions in Russia.
                        And no one forces them to love Russians.
                        In the USSR it was easier. It seemed like everyone was equal.
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 18 June 2022 18: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    I wonder what the "bald man from the third row" will say?

                    I'm not bald! Still what "hair" while. The seasons of many "travelled" .... But for some reason we remember sailor songs and village folklore. Do not trust? I can chat, especially about "Donald, where are the panties" drinks
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 June 2022 19: 26
                      +2
                      Why don't I believe? I believe. smile
                      "In the Cape Town port, with a hole in the side,
                      "Zhannetta" straightened the rigging ,,, "(c) laughing
                2. parusnik
                  parusnik 18 June 2022 11: 14
                  +2
                  But Vivaldi, one... smile If Vivaldi is not pleasing, then the music of A.P. Borodin "Prince Igor", "Oh, give me freedom! I will be able to atone for my shame. I will save Russia from the enemy!" (c) smile drinks
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 18
                    +3
                    You know better! Maybe Tchaikovsky. He also has "seasons"
                    1. parusnik
                      parusnik 18 June 2022 11: 22
                      +4
                      No, A.P. Borodin ... Immediately, after listening to A. Vivaldi. I myself, without listening, could not write, but then you understand, I inspired ... smile
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 24
                        +2
                        Sounds like toast!
                      2. parusnik
                        parusnik 18 June 2022 11: 29
                        +4
                        Sounds like toast!
                        And then! smile
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 18 June 2022 20: 27
                    0
                    hi The song of the slaves staggers the imagination laughing
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 18 June 2022 10: 01
            +4
            If a person sincerely celebrated writing off the amount, he would be close to enlightenment. Or the amount was quite insignificant. But what is there to celebrate then?
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 18 June 2022 11: 26
              +4
              Of course, not significantly, Russia, after June 12, lost Crimea, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev .. Unfortunately, Novorossiysk could not replace the indicated ports ... And Sochi, Crimea ...
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 18 June 2022 18: 56
                +1
                The Brest peace and the Belovezhskaya collusion are events from the same series. Only in the second case there was no war yet.
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 June 2022 10: 18
            +7
            Good analogy. And I'm 12.06.91/XNUMX/XNUMX. enlisted in the army...
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 18 June 2022 10: 24
              +3
              Double holiday Anton!
              Hi!
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 June 2022 10: 25
                +5
                Hi Sasha!
                I want to remind you about tomorrow's event.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 18 June 2022 10: 29
                  +3
                  I remember I already ironed the laces drinks
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 14
                  +5
                  I smell with my nose, a grandiose Sabbath is planned. drinks wink
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 25
                    +4
                    Are you jealous?! Join now!
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 28
                      +5
                      Are you jealous?!

                      Of course I envy, but kindly, you can communicate normally without flailing your fingers on the keys. smile drinks
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                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 31
                        +4
                        Tomorrow by 17-00 in the Staronevsky area, you will have time. drinks
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 33
                        +4
                        I won’t be able to drive a car, but the turntable is under repair. request Divide my dose among everyone and... don't scoff, it's not good. crying
                      4. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 11: 38
                        +5
                        By train from Ryazan about 8 hours.
                        Tomorrow I will propose a toast separately for You!
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 11: 48
                        +5
                        Thank you smile I already somehow had a chance to drink for our company at the common table. drinks
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 June 2022 14: 49
                    +3
                    grand coven.
                    Fu, uncle, what lack of spirituality!!! Simply, cultural "Pushkin's readings".
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 June 2022 14: 55
                      +6
                      Fu, uncle, what lack of spirituality!!!

                      Who will you lead ... laughing
                      On the issue of "Readings"
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 14: 59
                        +3
                        I will send a video from the event to Masha, where I will recite Pushkin.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 15: 02
                        +4
                        We will set the table and organize a video conference for our entire village. We will drink from a samovar. Not tea. drinks
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 15: 06
                        +3
                        The main thing is that the conference does not turn into a symposium.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 15: 36
                        +4
                        We will control. Senor Lucky Luciano will take care of it. laughing

                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 15: 44
                        +2
                        Lucky Luciano, in the famous work, is presented as a complete idiot.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 16: 02
                        +2
                        I'm not talking about the work, but about my cat.
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 16: 08
                        +2
                        It's already funny if your cat recognizes me...
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 16: 59
                        +2
                        For all the time of their life together, he recognized, besides me and Masha, only two people, i.e. let himself be stroked and did not run away. How he chooses those who he likes, we still cannot understand.
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 19: 19
                        +1
                        Nikolai told me about the same thing about the "Mikado" ... Why do cats come to me if I always behave like a "dog" ...
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 19: 28
                        +2
                        Soul mates. And your dog respects the Cat in you. smile
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 19: 38
                        +2
                        My dog ​​recognizes me as the Big Dog God, that's all. Do you want to talk about animal psychology?
                      12. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 20: 01
                        +2
                        In FIG I need this zoopsychology, I'm not at all strong in humans. But I love my cat and I know that this presumptuous egoist loves me too.
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 20: 15
                        +2
                        Well, good! And the rest, as you say. It's not for me to teach you.
                      14. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 June 2022 20: 39
                        +2
                        What can I say, you and I are both big boys. drinks
                      15. Fat
                        Fat 18 June 2022 20: 23
                        +3
                        The symposium is worth it! But the colloquium is already cynical tongue
                      16. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 21: 45
                        +1
                        The colloquium is a logical continuation of the symposium, in which the latter moves into the stage of "interest-based" companies.
                      17. Fat
                        Fat 19 June 2022 06: 27
                        +1
                        Not Anton, a colloquium is needed for the initiation of neophytes, basically, but a symposium is a meeting of long-initiated "old ... Ahem." Although, anything can happen.
                        "What do you have in this barrel? It seems too light ... This is aged cognac, sir" (c))))
                    2. ee2100
                      ee2100 18 June 2022 15: 48
                      +3
                      A short report, an hour and a half and then a debate.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 15: 57
                        +2
                        Don't even think! Let's talk about fishing.
                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 16: 07
                        +1
                        And about her radima too!
                        After discussing the current drinks
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 16: 12
                        +2
                        Sasha! We will definitely not discuss the current moment! This is taboo!
                      4. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 18: 15
                        +2
                        Anton, you are wrong!
                        Everyone has their current moment.
                        Can you discuss my
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 19: 28
                        +2
                        Sasha, even your current moment, we will discuss "tete-a-tete", because I have friends on the other front line.
                      6. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 20: 31
                        +1
                        Talked! You should go to Lavrov's department drinks
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 21: 31
                        +2
                        They won’t take it, because “we don’t know verbs and we don’t know how to conjugate.”
                      8. Fat
                        Fat 18 June 2022 20: 37
                        +1
                        Hello Anton.
                        You might think you're good at fishing... laughing The vobla has already passed along the Volga. Dried-dried, beer... Hmm... Brewed laughing
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 June 2022 21: 36
                        +2
                        Hello Borisych!
                        And I don't claim anything in this area. I only bring people together...
                      10. ee2100
                        ee2100 18 June 2022 21: 49
                        +1
                        And the most interesting thing is that he succeeds!
                        In short, do not offer you a place for Zakharova
                3. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 18 June 2022 13: 06
                  +2
                  Anton, hello! A good gathering with friends and like-minded people! We are mentally with you!
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 June 2022 14: 16
                    +2
                    Hi, Olya! I'll send a photo.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 June 2022 14: 57
                      +3
                      Not only Olga, I also participate. I'll post a photo on the monitor, pump up a glass and drink to health, it seems that I'm not alone at the feast. drinks
        2. gsev
          gsev 13 September 2022 01: 11
          0
          Quote: VlR
          nor Dudayev

          Dudayev created a state that challenged Russia and lasted 10 years. By the way, the structures of this state still seem to live. For example, Dudayev's secretary, after the death of both Dudayev and his successor Maskhadov, successfully used Anna Politkovskaya and Novaya Gazeta in an attempt to revive this state. In principle, all the sponsors and buyers of Novaya Gazeta worked for this state during the life of Politkovskaya, not suspecting what their money was being spent on ..
  4. Cure72
    Cure72 18 June 2022 08: 47
    +3
    What a joy it is to read Valery on Saturday morning! And the personality of Hasan really left a big mark on history.
  5. Tests
    Tests 18 June 2022 15: 40
    +2
    Sea Cat (Konstantin), dear, from childhood I heard a different ending of the joke: When a man with a bottle then questioned everyone, right down to "the bald one from the third row." The orchestra, at the wave of the conductor, stopped playing, stood up and loudly declared: "Bald, drink!"