The disposal of the Soviet has been completed, we are moving on to testing the new

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Almost every day we read reports about the supply of Western-style weapons to Ukraine. The countries of the West seem to be competing with each other in who will quickly supply Kyiv with weapons and equipment, which is either in long-term storage or in service with their own armies. In fact, every day, here and there, new guns, new small arms weapon, new air defense systems and so on.

Naturally, we must somehow react to these deliveries, but... There is no such sharp reaction as many readers expect. Yes, there is a statement of fact, there are captured samples, but this is just a consequence of the good work of our units on the front line.



Meanwhile, these deliveries, until recently, when there was a threat of the supply of American MLRS and their analogues produced by other European countries, calmly went through the Ukrainian border. Without any problems, they were located in storage places and only then were mostly destroyed.

Therefore, the voices of those who call for a strike on Polish bases, from where the path of Western weapons to Ukraine begins, are heard more and more often. It seems that such a solution is obvious. One hit - and the maximum effect, and then ... Such "decisive" people do not bother with this issue.

I think today it is worth talking about Western supplies to Ukraine. What is supplied and why? Can this weapon somehow change the course of the operation? Well, as usual, the prospects for the future.

Weapons that take up space


To understand our reaction and, in fact, the decisions of the West on supplies, it is necessary to consider the situation in development, with the binding of events to the time of their occurrence. Then everything falls into place well.

Do you remember how supplies to Ukraine began? And they began with the fact that rumors began to spread in the media about the huge advantage of the Russian army in these components. Allegedly, there are several Russian cars for one car of Ukrainians. And the arsenals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the blows of the Russians turned into dust.

It is clear that all this was accompanied by a massive dumping of photos and videos about these strikes. Destroyed warehouses. Burnt technology. And the tearful requests of Zelensky and his entourage for supplies. Photo of Ukrainian soldiers at the broken tanks and BMP.

At the same time, special attention in the media was paid to such a topic as the impossibility of supplying modern Western weapons to Ukrainians due to its (weapons) manufacturability and poor preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to work with such weapons. Roughly speaking, at that time the main idea was that a stupid villager from Ukraine, even if he is dressed in a military uniform, simply will not be able to quickly master modern weapons.

And then a brilliant solution was “found”. We will supply Soviet weapons, which are enough in warehouses in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact. The armament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is practically the same, but a Ukrainian will be able to master some new sight in a BPM or an armored personnel carrier. And rushed. NATO countries began to empty their own storage facilities.

This is the visible part of the iceberg. Now about the underwater part. The Soviet weaponry that remains in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, which are today members of NATO, is a huge problem for the bloc. The fact is that these are not just outdated samples, but have long been in storage. In fact, such weapons cannot be used without repair.

But that's not the point. The main thing is that these weapons are the main excuse for the governments of these countries, allowing them to evade the requirements of the alliance for the unification of weapons in NATO. Simply put, countries do not buy expensive American systems, citing the presence of similar Soviet ones. Business, nothing personal.

Agree, the scheme was invented really ingeniously. Old, often faulty weapons are sold, rather than spending money on their disposal. Thus, two problems are solved at once. They free up arsenals for new weapons and receive funds for their purchase.

Hence so much abandoned equipment in the initial period of the operation. This is not due to the rapid movement of units, as was the case in the Russian army. These are the fruits of repairing old Soviet weapons in Western repair shops before transferring equipment and weapons to Ukrainians.

We sell modern non-modern


Even before the end of the epic with the supply of old Soviet weapons in Ukraine, another PR campaign was launched. I would call this campaign the creation of a new religion of Ukrainians. Faith in Saint Bayraktar and Saint Javelin. Many people remember how quite recently any citizen of the “square” could tell you about what will happen to Russian armored vehicles if the Americans still supply the FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank systems to Ukraine.

Exactly the same attitude was with the Turkish drones. But the war in Karabakh largely made advertising for the Turk. There, indeed, in the absence of normal air defense, the Bayraktar TB2 showed good performance. But ukroSMI did not spread about air defense. The main thing was to show how these UAVs destroy tanks.

It must be admitted here that the campaign to create a new religion went perfectly. I remember the joy of social media users when these very “gods” appeared in the Ukrainian army. Alas, the happiness was short-lived. It turned out that the effectiveness of American anti-tank systems is even lower than the Soviet systems modernized by Ukrainians. And the tankers are more afraid of the old RPG-7s than these same Javelins.

The tragedy of Ukrainians is that today many illusions about the West have been destroyed. Including the illusion of the power of Western weapons. The combat effectiveness of all these Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars and other similar systems turned out to be not only low, it turned out to be simply shameful.

There is a video of defeats by several missiles of Russian equipment at once on the Web, after which the tanks continued their combat work. Russian helicopters leave MANPADS calmly, and being hit by such a missile is the exception rather than the rule.

But the main thing for which the campaign began has been achieved. Ukraine has already bought many billions of dollars worth of old, ineffective Western weapons. Deliveries continue. A paradoxical situation has arisen. During the retreat, the Ukrainians simply abandon Western weapons. At the same time, they are trying to take away the old Soviet one.

According to some sources, more than 2018 Javelin anti-tank systems have already been delivered to Ukraine since 5! At the same time, there are just over 000 such systems in the US Army itself. And this is taking into account the fact that the Javelins have been in service since 7. Let me remind you the cost of the complex. For their allies, the United States sells anti-tank systems for $000, for everyone else - for $1996 million!

I already wrote that after mastering the trophies, the People's Militia of the Republics of Donbass became, probably, the most modern army in Europe. What kind of systems from different countries you will not see there today.

We are supplied with something that is not yet in sufficient quantity even in the armies of NATO (from the Ukrainian media)


Among Russian readers, one can often come across arguments that our army was not as strong as we were told. Probably, many people remember questions like “where are the Armats, where are the other systems that you, journalists and experts, have told us many times”? Sometimes the talk comes back that our army is still fighting with Soviet weapons.

When you ask such critics about why the same T-14s are needed in Ukraine, you usually get an answer in the style of "because". At the same time, no one denies that during the special operation the Russian army uses a lot of new (sometimes not even put into series and not adopted for service) weapons systems. There is no better testing ground than real combat.

And now about the third stage of deliveries to Ukraine. Have you ever paid attention to the amount of weapons supplied? You read the media and are amazed at the enumeration of the range of supplies, on the one hand, and the complete disregard for quantitative indicators, on the other hand. There is a lot by name, but little by piece. So little that even the concentration of this system on any one sector of the front will not give advantages to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

What is the reason for this and is there something similar in our army? There is! Similar actions were carried out in the Russian army. Remember the very recent appearance of the Terminator BMPT. Why did piece goods appear in Ukraine? It is clear that for testing in a combat environment. Not in an artificially created environment, but in a real battle.

Americans and Europeans are doing exactly the same thing today. Those small deliveries that are being made today are exactly the samples for testing. And in order to somehow confuse public opinion in the country, they make just strange “gifts” to Ukraine. For example, the famous howitzer, known to us as an analogue of the Soviet port wine "for the people" - three axes, 155-mm M777 howitzer.

The gun, by the standards of artillerymen, is new, in service since 2005. For different types of shells and therefore different firing range: from 24 to 40 km. If you do not know the background of the supplies, then it really seems that Kyiv is one of Washington's closest friends. There are not so many owners of the M777 in the world. Actually, the USA, Britain, Australia and... Ukraine.

Everything seems to be fine, if not for one nuance. On Ukrainian howitzers, one box is completely missing, which is on American, British or Australian guns. To the left of the trunk it can be seen in the photo. This is a high-precision Towed Artillery Digitization computer fire control system.

It is this system that provides, using GPS and data received from drones, accurate guidance of the M712 (laser guidance) and M982 Excalibur (GPS guidance) projectiles. Without Towed Artillery Digitization, the M777 is an ordinary, unremarkable howitzer.

Today, they talk and write a lot about the American long-range M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket system. So much water has been poured, especially in the Ukrainian press, about the power of this MLRS. Indeed, the range up to 480–500 km is impressive. And practically negates all the Pentagon's excuses that Kyiv will not shoot at the territory of Russia.

Why do Americans need it? Despite the fact that the HIMARS MLRS has combat experience in Afghanistan and Syria, they did not have to meet with serious missile defense systems. Ukraine is ideally suited for such tests, since it is the Russian army that today has the most advanced missile defense systems in the world.

Following the Americans, the Germans, Swedes and other arms manufacturers will start testing their systems. There is evidence that Germany will soon supply Ukraine with a new IRIS air defense system. This is despite the fact that the tests of this complex ended ... just a few months ago, in 2022! Naturally, there are no such systems in the Bundeswehr yet.

Sweden does the same. Again, from some sources it became known about the upcoming delivery to Odessa of the Swedish RBS-17 coastal missile systems. This is a light complex, a tripod with a rocket suspended on a guide.

A Swedish version of the American AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank guided missile, adapted for firing at naval targets. Range up to 10 km. It is clear that such missiles will not cause any harm to the Russian the fleet. Is that some boat accidentally washed ashore due to some kind of malfunction.

So, in my opinion, the third stage of arms deliveries is a test of those systems that have not yet participated in hostilities against a serious adversary. And for those who really want to know some “fried facts” about the tests, I’ll tell you one little history.

On March 19, a Russian hypersonic missile "Dagger" destroyed one of the most important objects on the territory of Ukraine - in the village of Delyatyn, Ivano-Frankivsk region, Western Ukraine. This is one of the 4 Soviet Central Nuclear Weapons Storage Bases.

Immediately after the destruction of the object, officers of the American army were sent to the place where the missile fell. A large group of American specialists literally sifted the soil through a sieve at the site of the missile's fall. How carefully this was done is evidenced by the fact that the weight of the cargo sent by this group to the United States was more than one and a half tons!

The war (trials) must go on


Alas, hopes for an early end to the war should be discarded. The conflict in Ukraine is beneficial to the West. It is beneficial from the point of view of simple economics. It is no secret that the military-industrial lobby in many countries holds governments by the throat. And this lobby is extremely interested in a small proxy war with a modern army.

The production of weapons is one of the most profitable types of business. Already because there is no such weapon against which another weapon would not be created. A vicious circle, when the number of weapons is constantly growing, and in order to somehow utilize this surplus, they provoke various conflicts, wars, coups, and the like.

Alas, few people are interested in the fate of Ukrainians today. Moreover, for many peoples of Europe, after the massive invasion of Ukrainian refugees, Ukraine today looks no better than some Somalia. And the attitude of the population of the EU countries is appropriate.

Hence a simple and clear conclusion. We and only we can "treat" this country from the infection that has struck it. No West, no US will lift a finger for the sake of the lives of the Ukrainian people. He, this very people, simply does not exist for the West. As there are no people of Libya, Somalia, Syria and many other states...
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  1. +10
    15 June 2022 04: 42
    Nothing surprising! In all military conflicts, new weapons are being tested and tested!
    1. 0
      15 June 2022 06: 17
      By the way, there was a report that the mattress toppers left the Jewelins without technical support, and the instructions were translated, to put it mildly, not quite accurately, which leads to failures in their application. Here's your grandmother and St. George's Day ...
      1. +12
        15 June 2022 07: 27
        When you ask such critics about why the same T-14s are needed in Ukraine, you usually get an answer in the style of "because"

        To protect the fighters of the Russian army and the LDNR militia.
        Again a capricious article.
        1. +3
          15 June 2022 10: 56
          We will throw hats, after the USSR there is a lot left.
          1. 0
            16 June 2022 22: 24
            Are you jealous? Didn't get it or didn't get it? That's not ashamed?
            1. 0
              17 June 2022 09: 49
              It's embarrassing when you can see everything, and I'm walking around in my pants. You ask these questions to those who, in one fell swoop, beat seven times.
              1. -1
                17 June 2022 09: 56
                But no papa?
        2. +16
          15 June 2022 11: 34
          Quote: Civil
          Again a capricious article.

          Well, what are you like? The article shows the free life of the enemy military-industrial complex, on our energy supply. And most importantly, unencumbered, logistical supply schemes, to any place of hostilities, of any weapon. By the way, the media have remained silent about the bridge near Odessa, which was "destroyed" many times, but deliveries are underway. One entrance to the tunnel, they fired at the western border and that's it ... And there are two of them. They allowed the export of currency - 15 thousand dollar millionaires are urgently shedding over the hill. How much money did they take out of the Russian economy? This article reveals the interests of the Western military-industrial complex in testing its developments, in depleting the Russian Armed Forces and the economy itself. Those who gave the go-ahead to lift the ban on the export of currency are more dangerous for Russia than the supply of excess experimental products, although this is not honey.
          1. +2
            15 June 2022 20: 55
            You're right. The thirst for profit forces our oligarchs and the government to drive strategic resources to the West, from which they then produce weapons that are driven to Ukraine, from which our soldiers and officers, as well as the civilian population, die, this is a criminal business on blood. There is a war going on, and they are helping their enemies, some kind of absurdity, this is treason and betrayal, and even more so the release of money bags from Russia, with their dollars, where they will go again to their military treasury and again it will work against us, what a panopticon is going on ...
  2. +9
    15 June 2022 05: 15
    In general, the message is clear, but about 777 the author is a little unaware, there were photos of howitzers delivered with the indicated block.

    Well, it's a joke.
    When you ask such critics about why the same T-14s are needed in Ukraine, you usually get an answer in the style of "because". .. .....There is no better testing ground than real combat.

    I see a contradiction! laughing

    1. -3
      15 June 2022 08: 11
      The truth is, though, here it is:
      The tragedy of Ukrainians is that today many illusions about the West have been shattered. Including the illusion of the power of Western weapons.
      1. +7
        15 June 2022 10: 42
        Worse, the Ukrainians have lost their illusion about our army.
        1. +11
          15 June 2022 11: 24
          The author needs to go to the trenches so that in his own skin he "experiences" "modern is not modern" .... "Ikspert", yeah.
        2. -1
          15 June 2022 11: 36
          Worse, the Ukrainians have lost their illusion about our army.

          For 8 years they thought that they were fighting the Russian army in the Donbass, and now that the Russian army has actually appeared in the Donbass, there are no longer any illusions about the Ukrainian army. An army that is not capable of attacking the enemy is always weaker than the enemy army. And the army cannot advance and is hiding in the cities, behind the backs of civilians.
          I was very struck by the capture of civilian hostages in Severodonetsk, at the Azot enterprise, by ordinary soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Usually the army exists to protect its civilian population, but not in the case of coming out warriors. After all, at the negotiations they agree to release the hostages only if they are given a safe passage to their own. Think about it - it's as if in 1941 the Red Army took its Soviet citizens hostage in order to negotiate with the Germans, to safely retreat to their rear, from the boiler, in exchange for hostages !!!!
          Does anything cause cognitive dissonance in you? This is how Zionist propaganda is destroyed, about the evil Russian orcs.
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  3. +13
    15 June 2022 05: 59
    Comparing the Ukrainian and Syrian peoples at the end of the article, the author is not telling the truth. With a part of the Syrian people fighting against the West and the USA, in Ukraine, only the people of Donbass can be compared, who created their armed formations in order to resist the Nazi state of Ukraine created by the West. And the rest of the people of Ukraine just fills the ranks of the army, all sorts of nat there. battalions and ter. defenses of that Western-created Nazi state. Moreover, he often replenishes voluntarily and fraternizes with the West sent to Ukraine by mercenaries-killers who fought in Syria against that part of the Syrian people who fought against the terrorism created by ISIS by the West
  4. +2
    15 June 2022 06: 16
    When you ask such critics about why the same T-14s are needed in Ukraine
    "Not because", check it in combat conditions, it's another matter that the car is expensive .. it's not worth three rubles. Yes, and there was a lot of advertising, but probably not enough was released, due to the same high cost .. and probably electronics from imported components
    1. +6
      15 June 2022 07: 28
      Quote: parusnik
      another thing is that the car is expensive .. not worth three rubles.

      And what is more expensive? The life of our fighter or iron?
      1. -4
        15 June 2022 22: 46
        There are many people in Russia. The amount for training one soldier is less than the amount for the production of one tank. The economics of war shows that a tank is more valuable to an army than a soldier.
        1. +1
          16 June 2022 07: 01
          Quote: Ivanov5252
          There are many people in Russia. The amount for training one soldier is less than the amount for the production of one tank. The economics of war shows that a tank is more valuable to an army than a soldier.

          Educational services, and now what about military services? How much do you value the grief of the family? At 1/126 of the cost of a tank?
    2. -1
      15 June 2022 07: 33
      And yet there is a limit of support for the West - the price of the open market of the outskirts for the West. As soon as the costs exceed the possible profits from European integration, the Ukrainians will be abandoned. BUT HANG THEIR LOSSES ON THE RF.
      SORROW.
      Obstacle in traffic on Lviv
      1. +1
        15 June 2022 08: 35
        Quote: antivirus
        As soon as the costs exceed the possible profits from European integration, the Ukrainians will be abandoned. BUT HANG THEIR LOSSES ON THE RF.
        SORROW.

        It's time to learn how to say "damage" claims for someone - a resounding NO! They themselves assessed the risks, supplying weapons with payment "in the future." Now let them not cry.
      2. +1
        15 June 2022 11: 01
        I won’t be surprised if, after the defeat and disappearance of the misunderstanding, the country of Ukraine, we will find enemies of the people who want to pay their debts to the West for the disappeared country. That will be fun.
        1. +5
          15 June 2022 12: 13
          35 years ago one pretzel called - pluralism of opinions
  5. +5
    15 June 2022 06: 39
    We must definitely study the American-British method of pitting peoples on foreign territory ...
    1. -1
      15 June 2022 08: 10
      Heh, for this "TALENT" is needed. From the inside you have to be rotten, cynical, vile. Almost from birth. Therefore, it is better to involve the American "chosen ones" as advisers for this. And then, for some fronts. Because in the end, all the same, righteous qualities win in a big war.
  6. +2
    15 June 2022 07: 14
    Vladimir_2U
    there were photos of delivered howitzers with the indicated block.
    Indeed, there were photos from Poland with these howitzers and a digital guidance system heading for Ukraine. But again a problem arose - the keys for servicing the guns are not included in the kit, and the Ukrainian ones are not suitable due to the other metric system (for the Anglo-Saxons in inches).
    1. +4
      15 June 2022 08: 42
      Quote: rotmistr60
      about again there was a problem - the keys for servicing the guns are not included in the kit, and the Ukrainian ones are not suitable due to the other metric system (for the Anglo-Saxons in inches).

      This problem appeared long before the CBO, in fact, every owner of an American truck faced it, and also successfully solved it: Uncle Liao will sell any key. That is, now there are a lot of inch keys everywhere.
    2. +5
      15 June 2022 09: 28
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But again a problem arose - the keys for servicing the guns are not included in the kit, and the Ukrainian ones are not suitable due to the other metric system (for the Anglo-Saxons in inches).

      It looks like a bike. The Anglo-Saxons have everything in inches, except for science, astronautics, and just the same weapons, because. NATO standards. Remember in what units the caliber is indicated, despite the fact that the average American has little idea, 5.56 × 45 is generally what and how much. Or the NATO accessories bar, which is almost the same Picatinny rail, but the dimensions for it are given in SI.

      (There are also adjustable wrenches.)
      1. -1
        15 June 2022 11: 34
        in what units the caliber is indicated, despite the fact that the average American has little idea, 5.56 × 45

        Of course weak - because it is called .223 Rem
        1. +2
          15 June 2022 11: 51
          Of course weak - because it is called .223 Rem

          0,223 Rem is dad. And the son is called 5,56x45 NATO (5,56 NATO), including in the USA - if only because it was designed in Belgium, where the metric system))
  7. +1
    15 June 2022 08: 11
    Large group of American specialists
    Why didn't they cover the object again? It seems like an army alphabet?
  8. 0
    15 June 2022 08: 11
    To test, you need to send your specialists. Officially, otherwise they are bandits or mercenaries and are subject to acc. Karam. So for the most part it's all idle talk and excuses. And to send a lot of at least a serial one, so the European military-industrial complex has only dried up since 1991, and now it is in a coma. He does not need armies of 200-300 tanks. Europe was not preparing for war, and the United States also cannot endlessly supply, they themselves may need it at any moment.
  9. +5
    15 June 2022 08: 20
    The analysis is basically correct, only weapons have the ability to kill, at least for all at least one point. Yes, Western weapons are thrown, but how many are used? Is there an analysis of use? Well, why is everything superficial. service, repairs, food, and all this is Western assistance. You can’t just dismiss it. But as for the economic component of supplies, I fully support it. As soon as they consider it not profitable, negotiations will immediately blow. .
    1. 0
      15 June 2022 08: 39
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      As soon as they consider it not profitable, negotiations will immediately blow

      No wonder "distinguished guests" frequented Kyiv
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      It seems to me that we are achieving this and are ready for negotiations.

      But from our side, although we are ready, we are not going to negotiate. And it is right! When necessary, Russia will stop itself, when and where it sees fit. And then we'll talk!
      1. +5
        15 June 2022 08: 59
        And here "for two", our economic potential is also not unlimited. And it will also be necessary to restore what was destroyed. And one more factor that has not been considered, but it is important, these are conclusions and decisions. What new approaches will they and we have made. This is the main thing, the war will end, and we will live differently. The question is HOW.
  10. +7
    15 June 2022 08: 30
    Somehow the author contradicts himself. On the one hand, the country404 is a testing ground where the latest samples are sent for testing, on the other hand, it makes no sense to send "Armata" there, "patamushta". It turns out that "Armata" has already been fired upon and tested by 120%?
    1. -1
      15 June 2022 14: 39
      Quote: Sawing Boxwood
      It turns out that "Armata" has already been fired upon and tested by 120%?

      No. Like any type of weapon, Armata has its own niche and tactics of use. Unless, of course, the application is planned to be successful.
      How do you imagine the use of a single instance of Armata, for which you need to fully deploy technical support, maintenance, repairs, etc.? And the use in battle in accordance with the competent tactics of using such equipment? Ditch the expensive Armata - you don’t need a lot of mind, but won’t such “tests” turn out to be too costly?
      Despite the above, I do not rule out that the Armata can be tested in combat in the right place at the right time with the right preliminary preparation.
  11. +5
    15 June 2022 08: 36
    Wars, first of all, and especially imperialist ones, are always "earnings" on blood ... business and bloody business.
  12. +10
    15 June 2022 08: 49
    Many people remember how quite recently any citizen of the “square” could tell you about what will happen to Russian armored vehicles if the Americans nevertheless supply the FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank systems to Ukraine.

    And what, there are tank breakthroughs?
    The Javelin has done and is doing its job, so there is no need to belittle the combat qualities of this ATGM.
    1. +5
      15 June 2022 20: 43
      I agree with you, the article is just a stupid "uryakalka". In fact, with limited arms supplies and various indirect types of intervention (instructors, intelligence, etc.), the United States and allies have ensured that the Armed Forces of Ukraine hold the front line for 4 months and fight +/- on an equal footing with the Russian army. Lacking modern air force, navy and strategic offensive weapons.
      "Stingers" and "Javelins" did their job very effectively. unfortunately, not allowing to fully realize the advantage of the Russian army in armored vehicles and army aviation. "Bayraktars", which are essentially a rather ordinary strike UAV, even for the Turks already yesterday, caused both serious losses and constant stress on Russian air defense.
  13. +11
    15 June 2022 08: 53
    The combat effectiveness of all these Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars and other similar systems turned out to be not only low, it turned out to be simply shameful.

    The author is in the clouds or what to call it?
    When helicopters and attack aircraft fire NARs from a nose-up ... and tankers dream of guns with a crooked barrel firing from around a corner ...
    1. +8
      15 June 2022 09: 17
      The author is in the clouds or what to call it?
      When helicopters and attack aircraft fire NARs from a pitch-up.

      Really.
      It is the 4th month of the war, and the giggling over Western weapons remains. Just amazing.
    2. +7
      15 June 2022 12: 50
      yes, stormtroopers!! from the cabling, this is a chic efficiency .. for Konashenkov. Aviation, even in this NWO, is actually not capable of "core" combat work - these are just facts. For example, there are thousands of wagon bombs, but you can’t apply
  14. +1
    15 June 2022 09: 20
    Well, in the absence of Armat, they managed to try to capture cities on the Tigris
  15. -2
    15 June 2022 09: 29
    The fool will not pay for weapons. The USSR also saved thousands of obsolete tanks and armored personnel carriers for Chingachguks and Mowglis as help, and even brotherly, so what? There is no money and never will be. so it will be with Khokhlomena.
  16. +6
    15 June 2022 10: 47
    Now, at our expense, old Soviet weapons are being disposed of in Europe, then they will start buying new Western ones at their own expense. Moreover, at the first stage, they will shout from every iron that the Javelins and Stingers are bad, they need to be urgently modernized because they are not effective.
    But guns kill. Already, according to some estimates, about 700 units of our tanks were knocked out and destroyed, not to mention armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
    1. 0
      15 June 2022 12: 42
      how many of the downed are back in the ranks?
      1. +2
        15 June 2022 13: 28
        how many of the downed are back in the ranks?

        I think this is a state secret. Shows both the effectiveness of the applied ammunition and the effectiveness of the armor.
        According to Zvezda, they showed a rembat in Ukraine, according to journalists, about 10 units of damaged equipment per day are returned to service.
    2. +1
      15 June 2022 12: 45
      the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine https://www.unian.net/ writes -1440, only tanks, adjusted for lies, it may well be 700
      1. -1
        15 June 2022 13: 37
        how can the VSU calculate if even if they knocked out it remains in the rear of our troops?
  17. 0
    15 June 2022 11: 08
    Let's not treat them, but let's do it like in Syria: who doesn't agree - on buses and to Lvov, and let the Poles treat them there.
    1. 0
      15 June 2022 14: 46
      Who will release the mercenaries and special forces from the ring.
  18. 0
    15 June 2022 11: 26
    Well, why be surprised, any military conflict is intended, among other things, to test new equipment or get rid of outdated weapons. We solve the same tasks, in addition to the main one - denazification and bringing our borders to historical norms, along the way we get rid of old, Soviet still ammunition, the disposal of which is many times more expensive than direct use. Yes, and the equipment is mainly shown from our side, still Soviet, albeit modernized. And what is new, no one will show us -). And it is right. Let it be a surprise
    1. +7
      15 June 2022 13: 05
      But unlike Western countries, the "utilization" of our equipment occurs along with the death of the crew. So what could be better to dispose of our junk not on the battlefield, but at the bases of the secondary metal? And to provide our soldiers not with scrap, but with normal modern equipment that provides good security and the ability to "utilize" the enemy? And then our demographics are not very good.
  19. +1
    15 June 2022 11: 37
    Quote: author
    Is it some-
    a boat will accidentally wash ashore ...

    belay
    The author forgot how, in the Primorsky district of Mariupol, banderlogs were planted in a "Raptor" from an ATGM, which was not "washed ashore" at all.
    But I agree, it is necessary to completely free Little Russia from the fascist Zeltsman regime, not to make stuff about "negotiations".
  20. +7
    15 June 2022 13: 01
    The combat effectiveness of all these Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars and other similar systems turned out to be not only low, it turned out to be simply shameful.

    This makes me happy! But then it is not at all clear: why did they retreat from Kyiv? Why is Donetsk still being shelled in the fourth month of the war? How is this combined with the fact that the enemy has a weapon with "shameful efficiency"?
  21. +1
    15 June 2022 13: 04
    There have already been videos showing howitzers 777 with "boxes" are going to Ukraine.
  22. -2
    15 June 2022 13: 14
    According to the logic of the author, Ukraine has been fighting the second army of the world with old Soviet rubbish for the fourth month, and now it will be supplied with modern weapons?
    How is this to be understood at all?
    1. -2
      15 June 2022 14: 46
      Quote from Alex Murphy
      How is this to be understood at all?
      I think so that the "old Soviet trash" is not so trash, firstly. And secondly, that “trash” has to be destroyed very carefully, surgically, which is much longer than just covering it with a couple of vigorous loaves.
  23. +4
    15 June 2022 14: 08
    "Let me remind you of the cost of the complex. For its allies, the United States sells anti-tank systems for $600, for everyone else - for $1,4 million!"

    Where do these price tags come from?
    I couldn't read further. :(
  24. 0
    15 June 2022 14: 44
    We and only we can "treat" this country from the infection that has struck it. No West, no US will lift a finger for the sake of the lives of the Ukrainian people.
    That same "West" is the infection that needs to be treated. And the “Ukrainian people” for the West are the same laboratory mice that were infected with the plague and released into the field. Plague mice will, of course, have to be disposed of. And for those that remained healthy, the West should not be allowed to come close, not to repeat the mistakes of the 90s. There will still be a lot of problems with mice.
  25. +3
    15 June 2022 15: 54
    The Armed Forces and the Americans are not geniuses, but their actions are logical. But the actions of Russia are a big "secret of the Russian soul." What many readers regularly note. This strains much more than all the plans of the enemy. At one time, Yeltsin distinguished himself in such a way that after him you involuntarily expect that another "reformer" (who had hitherto been considered quite adequate) would suddenly hatch and also "suddenly" create something incredible and unexpected. Such that the world gasps ....
  26. +2
    15 June 2022 15: 57
    Did the buzzer write this? In my opinion, the insufficient effectiveness of some Western weapons is due to the human factor, which is not surprising, due to the short training time. In fairness, it should be noted that the Russian Federation does not trump the same with modern weapons, also using for the most part the Soviet "legacy "...
  27. +1
    15 June 2022 16: 51
    Did the author get excited with the price of the "javelin"? Price ATGM 20-30 thousand USD per set. 0,6-1,3 M c.u. - it's about something else.
  28. -1
    15 June 2022 17: 37
    Such a number of weapon nomenclatures will create a branch of the logistics hell in a more advanced army. Unique ammunition, materiel, specialists... What is the efficiency of such deliveries?
    1. +3
      15 June 2022 20: 46
      What is the efficiency of such supplies?

      The results of 4 months of NWO and the current front line give a very clear answer to your question.
  29. +1
    15 June 2022 20: 33
    the third stage of arms deliveries is a test of those systems that have not yet participated in hostilities against a serious adversary.
    let's do everything possible so that our military are not guinea pigs for testing new (Western) weapons. General Staff, do you have a plan to stop the supply of these weapons?
  30. +1
    15 June 2022 22: 54
    Quote: EvilLion
    And to send a lot of at least a serial one, so the European military-industrial complex has only dried up since 1991, and now it is in a coma. He does not need armies of 200-300 tanks. Europe was not preparing for war,

    It's right.
    Quote: EvilLion
    and the United States also cannot supply endlessly, they themselves may need it at any moment.

    It is not true. The American military-industrial complex can deploy three to five times the current production and even say thank you. For the US military-industrial complex, there is nothing better than a conventional war in Europe. I'm talking about the war in Western Europe, for example Russia against Poland, Germany, France, etc. Separately, they will sell oil and gas at a high price. This is how Americans prospered after World War II.
  31. 0
    19 June 2022 14: 46
    The West is not afraid to be left without weapons. The West knows that Russia will not fight against them. This does not reach the Ukrainians, and if it does, it is very tight and only to the bottom. And the leaders make money on this, they will live in the west, they need money there. In addition, the Poles are also Slavs in the past and they are more of their own than the Slavs now. Now Ukrainians speak only Polish and force others to speak it.
  32. 0
    25 June 2022 13: 12
    Quote: Civil
    Quote: Ivanov5252
    There are many people in Russia. The amount for training one soldier is less than the amount for the production of one tank. The economics of war shows that a tank is more valuable to an army than a soldier.

    Educational services, and now what about military services? How much do you value the grief of the family? At 1/126 of the cost of a tank?

    In the United States, the cost of training and maintaining a fighter is so high that it is more profitable for them to protect people. Unlike the times of the distant past in the same USA.
    This was explained to me by one of the veterans of the US Army. The people who demand will receive what is required, and who is silent, that ...
  33. +1
    25 June 2022 13: 47
    Judging by the reaction of the British government to the possible death penalty, even mercenaries, and not military personnel, they take great care of their own. And about people and about interests. It would never occur to them to "dispose" tanks in battle. Because IT happens simultaneously with the tankers. And in our country, even those who are obliged to engage in propaganda forget the simplest basics. So openly in their savage simplicity and beat; "privatization ....., utilization" ... For ... For .... effective office "OJSC for the utilization of the people" From under the mask of a "patriot" the not human mug of a liberal peeps out
  34. 0
    1 August 2022 16: 10
    We and only we can "treat" this country

    What kind of COUNTRY?! Not a country, but a territory... am