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Ukraine: the day after the end of the fighting

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For a month now, we have been observing the progress of the special operation on the territory of Ukraine. Today it is clear that, as some predicted, the easy walk did not happen. There is a long and bloody work ahead. Perhaps not for one month.


Why this happened, it will be possible and necessary to speak after the end of hostilities, when everything will fall into place. Today, three conclusions can be voiced:

1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population.

Alas, the part of the Ukrainian population that loyally looks towards Russia is really impotent and intimidated. Even at the very beginning of the operation, when many people said that “here, now the underground will also come out,” people who understand shook their heads, because they knew perfectly well that no underground would come out anywhere. It just doesn't exist. For eight years, the SBU has been working tirelessly, and the vast majority of those who were in favor of an alliance with Russia are now in Russia.

Living on the territory of Ukraine, to put it mildly, are intimidated. And many simply do not believe in the possibility that their life will change in a positive direction. The best illustration is footage of how literally a few scoundrels dispersed those who wanted to receive humanitarian aid from the hands of the Russians, and they succeeded.

The exact same thing will continue to happen. As it has already happened in the Ukrainian stories. The new "Night Avengers" under the old flag of the OUN-UPA will, like the progenitors, intimidate the inhabitants of cities and villages at night, who will be loyal and friendly towards Russia and its innovations. And the most stubborn in their convictions are simply destroyed.

It was everything, you can't turn away from it


Despite the assurances of the Russian leader that nothing will happen to Ukraine except demilitarization and denazification, today it is absolutely clear that if the right-Nazi state that happened in Ukraine is not destroyed at the root, after some time it will still be reborn.

How the ideas and images of the incomparable Bandera and Shushkevich were revived in Ukrainian heads.

Today, many people have intense mental work in their heads in calculating situations within which further developments can take place.

The fact that Ukraine will no longer be the same after the end of the war is obvious. And in general, it does not happen “as before”. Everything is inevitable: reshaping of brains, reshaping of relationships, reinstallation of understandings.

And - perhaps - redrawing the borders


A few thoughts about the borders are a little lower, but for now I would like to repeat, following Yura Podolyaka, the idea that it would be the main crime and darkness to count on agreements with the Ukrainian elites. All these Firtashis, Kolomoiskys, Akhmetovs and Yanukovychs were, are and will be friends only for their own interests.

Actually, we have already run into a rake, having received assurances that the governors and mayors of some cities will come to an agreement with the Armed Forces of Ukraine so that there are no casualties among the civilian population. And now it is clear how much the word of a representative of the Ukrainian elite costs.

As for me - as much as the ink under the Minsk agreements. That is, less than nothing. Which means you can't believe it. They will sell, betray, deceive, moreover, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

Such is nature, alas. This one has grown on the Ukrainian black soil. Not to say that things are better in our country or in Europe, in principle, any such “elite” is still dirt. But in Ukraine, this is a special case, because Nazism and fascism, represented by the same terrorist battalions, were financed precisely by the elites.

And if you ask the question of who financed and conduct an investigation, then I am ready to argue that it will be easier to find those who did NOT finance. And even then, I'm not sure that there are such.

In general, all the so-called representatives of the Ukrainian elite should, in theory, go on trial under Article 208 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Now it's time to talk about redrawing boundaries.

There is a certain sense in this, and here is why: indeed, after the end of such a shake-up, Ukraine can easily disappear from the political map of the world as a single state.

The so-called "Yugoslav scenario"


Back in 2014, when everything was just beginning, images of the flags of the "people's republics" of all stripes constantly caught my eye: Odessa, Kharkov. Kherson ... Someone was not too lazy to draw, but this person can easily turn out to be a seer in his own country.


Meanwhile, the disintegration of the state into "specific principalities" may well happen. Those areas that are now under the control of Russia, plus the DPR and LPR, are likely to be able to become federal units within the Russian Federation. It is doubtful that Luhansk, Donetsk and the same Kharkiv will want to return to Ukraine.

This is a normal process, because without outside help, neither the Lugansk nor the Donetsk republics could exist normally and will not be able to in the future. Simply because they have never been focused on self-sufficient functioning.

Absolutely the same fate will befall all these "Odessa", "Kherson" and other people's republics, if they suddenly decide to live independently. This is an indisputable fact, which I see no point in discussing.

The only way out for all the "people's republics" is integration with stronger entities, or, alternatively, uniting among themselves on mutually beneficial terms. However, for eight years, the desire to unite the LPR and the DPR for some reason did not arise. So it's unlikely that others will. After all, a small power, but its own - it is like a shirt. Closer to the body.

Such a collapse will be welcomed in Europe. There are already beginning to stir on the model and likeness of 1939, when Poland was divided. That's just in place of Poland - Ukraine, and in the place of Germany and the USSR - Poland and in the future other countries.

However, the Poles should be watched separately, Polish ambitions are an age-old matter. And it doesn't smell very good. But they, ambitions, are there and will not go anywhere, because such is the Polish nature.

I will now give a picture that, although not entirely accurate, but at least approximately shows what Ukraine can turn into.

Ukraine: the day after the end of the fighting

Why this drawing is controversial, by the way, was explained to me by the original inhabitants of Ukraine. Such are the notes, generally without relatives in Russia. There is a big mistake in this scheme: Vinnitsa and Khmelnitsky are not Volyn and not Galicia. If you remember, the border between THAT Russia and Poland ran along the Zbruch River, which today exactly separates the Ternopil and Khmelnytsky regions.

Both the inhabitants of Khmelnitsky and the inhabitants of the Volyn regions by no means identify themselves with the “Westerners”. Alas for those who drew it.

There is another "subtle" moment, but about it a little lower.

But for the Volyn, Lvov, Rivne, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions, yes, Poland can historically claim. And in the event that the Ukrainian regions scatter to independent republics, Poland can easily try to “cut off the land” by uniting its former territories under its flag.

But here it will not work in a swoop, because you can easily collide with Russian foreheads. So today Poland is carrying out some manipulations with its army, but we'll see what prospects this can bring.

We go further. Romania. Yes, the Chernivtsi region is the northern part of the Romanian Bukovina. It is difficult to say how much Romania is ready to argue for its former territories today. Judging by the Romanian defense-offensive potential, it is only under the guise, so that no one sees.

Hungary. This is interesting, and, with the mark "very". Transcarpathia with Uzhgorod are originally Hungarian lands. And today Hungary, which defiantly does not join the European sanctions, does not refuse Russian energy carriers, does not give Ukraine weapon from its stocks and does not allow “parcels” from other countries to pass through its territory.

It is clear and understandable that the Hungarian leadership has made its choice. But what kind of preferences they would like to receive for this ...

But the interests are marked. It is especially worth looking towards Poland, since it is from this country that the eternal threat to European balance and tranquility comes. But we will return to Poland in detail in the very near future, after the NATO summit on Ukraine.

No matter how strange this map of the future of Ukraine looks, it has a certain essence. And this alignment seems to me more real than the emergence of all these small independent republics.

As you know, the vanquished are not spared. Therefore, after Ukraine ceases to exist in its current form, the restructuring of everything will naturally begin. And it is not a fact that it will be to the benefit of that old Ukraine. Most likely, it simply will not exist, just as Yugoslavia did not.

But this is a matter for the near future, we will see how everything will happen. The main thing here is that some negative factors, which we will also talk about in future articles on this topic, do not turn out to be an unpleasant surprise such as the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The only option that I don’t even want to think about, let alone talk about, is an option that would suit the whole world.

Losing option


This is if, fearing the entire world community, which stood up for Ukraine, Russia stops hostilities and sits down at the negotiating table. And there is Ukraine, standing with one foot in a historical grave, therefore signing everything or almost everything.

Crimea is recognized as Russian, with regard to Crimea, all outrages such as blocking water channels are stopped, the DPR and LPR receive full independence and are recognized within their administrative borders of 1991. Ukraine ceases even to dream of NATO and nuclear status, "gives a tooth" that there are no blocs, complete neutrality, like in Switzerland. The Russian language is returning to schools and state institutions as the second state language, and so on and so forth.

In short, Minsk-3. And the Russian troops go back. The bear crawls into the den.

Everyone will sign. Not reading. If only to stop the Russian troops at least on the line of the Dnieper.

Just looking back eight years ago, my dear readers, let's honestly give ourselves an answer to one single question: But is it possible to trust the authorities of THIS Ukraine, which is “in”, and not “on”?

I think every person who is in the subject of what is happening can give himself an answer to this question.

And we all will only have to figure out how long it will take for all the unfinished Nazi evil spirits that practically took over Ukraine to raise their heads again and take to the streets. As it was in 2013.

Year? Two? I think not more. Multiplied by revanchism and blood, hatred will do its job. And everything will start anew, despite all the losses suffered this year.


What will the new Ukraine really look like and how is a matter of time. Moreover, we, the Russians, in any case, in one way or another will have to participate in this.

But the main problem, in my opinion, is the nationalism of the East of Ukraine, rather than the West. But more on that next time.
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  1. Eva Star
    Eva Star 24 March 2022 10: 38
    +28
    It was immediately clear that the war would be long. But the biggest mistake we make is in our rear. It is necessary to change the power in villages and cities. Conduct cleanups. Why do we continue to fight in the amount of 150k, it is necessary to mobilize volunteers and send military police to the occupied cities and villages. It is necessary to bring all heavy and long-range artillery to Ukraine. If you feel sorry for the Iskanders, you need to re-open all the y points. And peck at the enemy without a break. Stop introducing limited warfare.
    1. ultra
      ultra 24 March 2022 10: 49
      +21
      Volunteers don’t need to be mobilized. And who told you that 150? Cleanups are already being carried out. the liberated territories must be made clear that we have come forever. Accordingly, the removal of the flags of the former Ukraine and all the symbols associated with it.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 March 2022 10: 56
        +8
        that the main crime and gloom would be to count on agreements with the Ukrainian elites.

        Why do you think the blame of the Bolsheviks in Ukrainization is being pedaled? Yes, to cover up the failures, stupidity and betrayal of the times of the present. Poroshenko's recognition is not stupidity?
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 24 March 2022 11: 07
        +5
        Quote: ultra
        removal of the flags of the former Ukraine and all the symbols associated with it.

        It's Nazi symbols! Down with!
      3. Carat
        Carat 24 March 2022 11: 07
        +4
        Quote: ultra
        Volunteers do not need to be mobilized

        At least not yet. Your strength is enough. Many battalions have not even crossed the border yet. They stand in the Krasnodar Territory, Rostov, Belgorod, Kursk regions, in Belarus.
        1. ultra
          ultra 24 March 2022 11: 10
          +6
          So I’m not writing about the army. It’s not the army’s job to clean up the territory and control those deep in the rear. And the fact that not all forces are involved is normal. Parts should be periodically taken out to rest, with appropriate rotation.
          1. Carat
            Carat 24 March 2022 11: 17
            +10
            The military police, the National Guard brigades, that's what is needed in the cleared territory.
            1. zloybond
              zloybond 25 March 2022 10: 11
              +2
              To begin with, a military plea tribunal is needed with a verdict on the spot. No wonder the author refers to several scoundrels provocateurs. If we say the Ministry of State Security of the Donetsk Republic right there on the square arrests and shoots instantly in public heels of cattle and hangs them up to illustrate that no one will fuss with them - then radically and people's awareness will return to normal. Without sharp repressive blows against the "Nazi" cells in the occupied territory, it is impossible to move forward at all. There are no halftones in such special operations. Either us or them. Otherwise, our soldiers will be hit in the back, and the population will continue to be intimidated.
          2. Living7111972
            Living7111972 24 March 2022 23: 29
            +4
            Military commandant's offices and under their cover the administration, law enforcement agencies and everything else! Where without the army?
    2. Civil
      Civil 24 March 2022 10: 53
      -10
      Quote from Eva Star
      It was immediately clear that the war would be long. But the biggest mistake we make is in our rear. It is necessary to change the power in villages and cities. Conduct cleanups. Why do we continue to fight in the amount of 150k, it is necessary to mobilize volunteers and send military police to the occupied cities and villages. It is necessary to bring all heavy and long-range artillery to Ukraine. If you feel sorry for the Iskanders, you need to re-open all the y points. And peck at the enemy without a break. Stop introducing limited warfare.

      1. As they conducted analytics from below, they reported it to the top. Was Putin supposed to personally interrogate everyone?
      2. The plan of the special operation is based on analytical reports.
      3. Plans do not always coincide with reality.
      1. nnm
        nnm 24 March 2022 11: 02
        +11
        And who appointed the heads of intelligence services? What are the consequences for such possible mistakes for them?
        And what kind of special services are these that turn a blind eye to obvious things in the form of the fact that the Crimean scenario will no longer be?
        What kind of eternal "king is good - the boyars are bad!"? And who appointed these "boyars" and who should be responsible for them?
        For me, the question is different - 1. how do we see the result of the special operation 2. What then? Ok, they left the LDNR independent ... the next day after the withdrawal of troops from the rest, shelling of this territory from Ukraine will not begin? Will start. Another operation? And so on ad infinitum?
        Regime change is not an option; pro-Russian forces without bayonets will not hold out now in Ukraine.
        Taking all of Ukraine with Russophobia now going wild is even worse.
        Here is the stalemate.

        And about the appointment of administrations and so on - nonsense. How they will govern, pay money, levy taxes ... well, until the final configuration of power in the territory is nonsense. No more than a military commandant will succeed.
        1. Civil
          Civil 24 March 2022 11: 11
          -9
          1. how we see the result of the special operation

          Fulfillment of all points of the ultimatum.
          LDNR will immediately become part of Russia. With all the consequences for a possible aggressor.
          And what kind of special services are they that turn a blind eye to obvious things in the form of the fact that the Crimean scenario will no longer be

          Why do you think they didn't know? Why do you think that everything is not going according to plan? Do you have the text of the plan?
          And who appointed these "boyars" and who should be responsible for them

          As a rule, these are adults, and they themselves must answer. If something has been violated.
          1. nnm
            nnm 24 March 2022 11: 35
            +5
            1. Without sarcasm - absolutely the right goal. But back to reality. Ok, the APU was destroyed. The Nazis were destroyed. Withdrawn troops. The next de day, with such Russophobia and the support of the West, even more of this dirt will not appear on the remaining territory of Ukraine? It will not be Donetsk, but, for example, Mariupol as part of the DPR that will appear and start shelling in exactly the same way. What do we do next?
            2. I did not say that it was not according to plan, I commented on the words of our other interlocutor. I said something completely different - WHAT is the specific result of the execution of the plan, except for the general sds to which I answered in paragraph 1?
            3. And if they themselves do not want to answer for mistakes? So no one will answer? And, then, it is likely that there will be new and new errors, since no one is responsible for them?
            1. Civil
              Civil 24 March 2022 13: 22
              -14
              Ok, the APU was destroyed. The Nazis were destroyed. Withdrawn troops. The next de day, with such Russophobia and the support of the West, even more of this dirt will not appear on the remaining territory of Ukraine? It will not be Donetsk, but, for example, Mariupol as part of the DPR that will appear and start shelling in exactly the same way. What do we do next?

              1. Pacification of dissenters through filtration camps. It's all there in one form or another. Instant defeat of areal targets for the recalcitrant. Heavy violence, that's all. This is also for internal enemies.
              WHAT specific result of the plan execution, except for the general sums to which I answered

              Restoration of an isolated allied (in various forms) state, relying on its own forces and means, Cold War 2. Opposition to the West. Our idea of ​​the sanctity of power against their rotten values. The project is long, 50 years.
              And if they themselves do not want to answer for mistakes? So no one will answer? And, then, it is likely that there will be new and new errors, since no one is responsible for them?

              There were only elections in autumn. Didn't see anyone dissatisfied with the results. So they were chosen.
              1. nnm
                nnm 24 March 2022 13: 27
                +8
                To be honest, I’ll just do without comments on what you wrote with your permission.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 24 March 2022 14: 05
                  -6
                  Quote: nnm
                  To be honest, I’ll just do without comments on what you wrote with your permission.

                  I try to be unbiased. All that is happening is the choice of the absolute majority of Russia.
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 24 March 2022 14: 22
                    +4
                    Colleague, you have every right to your opinion. The fact that our points of view and arguments differ with you is normal. At least, limitedly, theoretically, and so far.
        2. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 24 March 2022 11: 53
          +6
          Quote: nnm
          Here is the stalemate.

          I am here, with your permission, to share my thoughts on the events. hi
          1. It is necessary to denazify the entire territory of Ukraine. To the very Polish border, with squeezing out all the surviving Nazis and their sympathizers over the hill.
          2. In the cleared NPs, to plant administrations from previously lustred representatives of the authorities and citizens who suffered from the fascist regime. Of those who fell under pressure or lost loved ones. Restore the law enforcement agencies, again mainly involving for this those who have scores with the overthrown national regime. You can put representatives of the LDNR at the head.
          3. Remove from the air and the Internet all coming out and euromedia, replace the flow of information with Russian. Organize local broadcasting with a pronounced anti-Nazi orientation and a focus on solving local problems.
          4. Give people work, let it be the restoration of urban infrastructure and, at least for grub.
          5. Introduce draconian rules in relation to people who illegally own weapons. Stimulate the local population (including financially) to surrender persons involved in the commission of military and grave crimes.
          This is so, offhand. My amateurish view on resolving the stalemate. hi
        3. tiger19
          tiger19 26 March 2022 00: 20
          0
          And you have to pick it up. No other way.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 24 March 2022 11: 19
        0
        I disagree with the author on two things. 1. The author lists the "fatal" errors of the RF I quote "1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
        3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population.
        "I would like to know who made these mistakes. The authorities? The authorities swore to the last to the world community that the Russian Federation had no intentions to attack Ukraine, therefore, the author cannot find anything in the media that indicated the mistakes of the authorities, but the fact that the author was present during the work of the general staff on the plan of the operation - I do not believe it. Armchair strategists? But they did not particularly speak out on this topic, with the exception of the especially "gifted". Our Western opponents? Yes, these spoke in the vein that the operation would last a maximum of a week. What it was - obviously a leak to the media from the competent authorities under unseemly pretexts.Why, and this is so important?
        2. For some reason, the author, like many others, is sure that Poland is striving to annex Ukrainian Galicia. I am sure that this is not so, because there are no Poles left in Galicia. And to take under your wing a lot of Bandera fans - of course, the Poles are dreamers, but not to the same extent.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 24 March 2022 13: 52
          +2
          I agree with all your conclusions, dear Korsakov. I can add only one thing: it's time for our government to decide already, or it is fighting as it should be fighting. Either she flirts with the "fraternal people" and puts down a lot of our soldiers.
          1. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 25 March 2022 19: 44
            0
            The most unpleasant thing is that on both sides "our" soldiers who are dying and may die. Yes, of course, it can be said that the Ukrainians from the National Battalions ... the defense forces, etc., etc. are not ours, in the same way they can say that the "Russian Guards" are not ours ...
            And these !!!!! they sit overseas and count their profits.
            Remember how the Slavs cut and cut each other in the Balkans?
            We've all been allowed to be brainwashed by outsiders, we've all considered history not the most important subject to study. Now history takes a bloody price from us.
            There are no easy solutions and there never will be.
        2. alex-cn
          alex-cn 28 March 2022 13: 04
          0
          As an option, although unlikely ... If Poland suddenly sends troops ... Allow it to occupy the "originally Polish" part of Galicia, well, maybe something else ... Displace as many Nazis as possible there. Given their old squabbles over restitution issues, one can expect big showdowns for many years, both of them, I hope there will be no time for other areas. Then, hiding behind this, take Mariupol, Odessa, Nikolaev and open corridors to Crimea and Transnistria ... Leave Transcarpathia to the Hungarians ... Moldovans, apparently, will not get anything ... The left bank of the Dnieper is Russia, well, maybe, part of the right bank, and Kyiv - necessarily. The rest of central Ukraine does whatever they want, but temporary occupation and tough cleansings are a must... To be honest, I don't really understand what to do with the center. Yes, no republics, everything is only regions, Autonomies are an extreme case.
          I understand that this is an extremely cynical view of the future of the outskirts, but I don’t see any special options ...
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 28 March 2022 13: 16
            0
            Quote: alex-cn
            oust as many Natsiks as possible there.

            So that they would be trained and organized there, after which they would be transported to the East?
            P.S. There is a certain logic in your proposal. Ordinary Poles have a lot of complaints about Bendera fans, but they will not decide.
            But there are also serious risks.
            1. alex-cn
              alex-cn 28 March 2022 15: 19
              0
              in this case, it’s just the hope for huge disagreements between the Poles and the Natsiks ... and I don’t claim that this option will pass. But, if ... it turns out ... the Poles, it seems, are very angry at the contingent that fled to them.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 March 2022 11: 21
        0
        All analytics consisted of reading social networks.
      4. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 March 2022 11: 24
        -7
        Where did it come from that we did not correctly assess the situation then? How do you know that everything was planned in a quick swoop? Where does such information come from? Maybe on the contrary, everyone calculated and were ready for this?! Maybe, on the contrary, everyone understood the victims, etc., but it was impossible to wait any longer? Can not understand ..
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 24 March 2022 11: 54
          +11
          Where did it come from that we did not correctly assess the situation then? How do you know that everything was planned in a quick swoop? Where does such information come from? Maybe on the contrary, everyone calculated and were ready for this?! Maybe, on the contrary, everyone understood the victims, etc., but it was impossible to wait any longer? Can not understand ..

          I think that the decision not to bomb the barracks and places of deployment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the early days just says that they were betting on the possible passive behavior of the Ukrainian army. Crimean scenario. The expectation is that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be confused, lose contact, and troops without operational control will not be able to resist. In reality, literally on the second day of the operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to coordinate their forces and join the battle. The tactics of a quick entry, cutting Ukrainian groups into pieces, blocking them and forcing peace did not materialize. I had to fight for real. With all the ensuing consequences. I think for our command it will be a much more difficult question (than which administrations to leave in the liberated settlements) - what to do with the large cities of Ukraine? Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, Kyiv... Destroy them following the example of Mariupol? It's hard to even imagine...
      5. Sadam
        Sadam 24 March 2022 17: 34
        +6
        Well, this war is strange. Today will be a month and we are still arguing here what the final goals of this war are. fight to destroy the state? Well, the meaning of life there will be blood feud without any Nazi ideologies
        1. Sunstorm
          Sunstorm 25 March 2022 19: 49
          -2
          There is nothing to argue about, the goals are obvious. Russia's ultimate goal is to become a sovereign power. The goal of Ukraine is the New State. The goal of Poland is the New State but having carried out "restitution". The goal of the United States is to "write off debts." The aim of the EU is to destroy the EU.
          Something like this ...
    3. -Paul-
      -Paul- 24 March 2022 10: 53
      +2
      You at least edit the text, otherwise you copy it to all topics.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 24 March 2022 10: 55
      -7
      Totally agree with you. As a rule, an abscess on the body is cut out, Ukraine in its current form is an abscess on the body of the Earth, therefore, without any pity, we will burn this muck with a red-hot iron so that it will never be reborn again.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2022 10: 56
      -6
      There, the grouping has already exceeded 200000 + LDNR troops. In the near future, at least 140000 more regular troops and Chechens will be sent to the same Russian Guard, new echelons with equipment are filmed every day throughout Russia as they move west. And the position of Belarus is not clear whether its troops will participate in a special operation or not, they would help well if they took control of the border with Poland.
      1. Asad
        Asad 24 March 2022 10: 59
        0
        Maybe west?
      2. Smoker
        Smoker 24 March 2022 11: 00
        +5
        about clearing the rear:



        Berdyansk, fuel explosion. Caused the detonation of the BC. Sailors flooded BDK 1171 (old, used as transport). The reasons are not clear. There could be sabotage (probably), there could be a rush in an unsuitable port, which is also quite likely. One of the videos shows an explosion on the ship. Another version is Point-U, but I just doubt it (the author doubts it)
        Taken here:
        https://donrf.livejournal.com/1158268.html
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 March 2022 11: 07
          -3
          Most likely, the shells being transported exploded due to the negligence of the crew; the Point does not have such accuracy to hit the ship - although there is an option that the ship could attack the US kamikaze drone, it seems like they recently offered to deliver, or maybe the drone was locally produced.
    6. svp67
      svp67 24 March 2022 18: 30
      +3
      Quote from Eva Star
      It is necessary to change the power in villages and cities.

      Before that, it is necessary to show that Russia has returned here FOREVER. Since people are really intimidated and do not want to become "scapegoats" if the old vlad returns
      Quote from Eva Star
      Why do we continue to fight in the amount of 150k,

      Excuse me, but since the beginning of the operation, our troops have already received and will receive replenishment
      Quote from Eva Star
      need to mobilize volunteers

      Any wishes? Welcome to the military enlistment office, where lists are being compiled now. Not called, but ready.
      Quote from Eva Star
      send military police to the occupied cities and villages.

      This is not a matter for the VP, the National Guard is obliged to deal with this, this is its direct responsibility
      Quote from Eva Star
      It is necessary to bring all heavy and long-range artillery to Ukraine

      Yeah ... and the calculations from where to take for her? Or do you propose to drop it from transport aircraft on the heads of the enemy? I assure you bombs are better
      Quote from Eva Star
      If you feel sorry for the Iskanders, you need to re-open all the points at

      Missiles for Iskanders will be enough for several such wars, and their combat qualities are several times higher than those of Tochka
      Quote from Eva Star
      And peck at the enemy without a break. Stop introducing limited warfare.

      For such strikes, you must be sure that the "gift" will arrive at the address, and not civilians
    7. Maz
      Maz 28 March 2022 10: 26
      0
      The author made me sad, but I know at least six men I know in my city, who, if we give weapons and protection in their hands, then in a month we will collect a maximum of another thousand or more and put things in order without problems, and we will drive the underground ukrov into the ground or take it on such taking into account that the sky will seem to them like a woman's mirror made of radiculum. Give us just an opportunity, we haven’t forgotten a damn thing and the ashes of a great power are knocking in our villagers
  2. ultra
    ultra 24 March 2022 10: 42
    +6
    I read it to the "naive calculation", I did not go any further.
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 24 March 2022 10: 44
    +6
    that if the right-Nazi state that happened in Ukraine is not destroyed at the root, after some time it will still be reborn.

    Without any doubt.
  4. svoit
    svoit 24 March 2022 10: 45
    -2
    Today, three conclusions can be voiced:
    Perhaps the plan was simply to intimidate the elite and quickly agree, this explains a lot. But although there are not so many obvious Nazis in the elite, their influence is still very high, so they did not give an agreement, and the United States does not need neutral Ukraine
    1. max702
      max702 24 March 2022 11: 29
      -1
      The plan was to keep the infrastructure and solvent demand to make money on it. From that there were bumps on the floor, but they miscalculated, Western curators decided "Don't get you to anyone", and Russia will take over the costs of restoration, there is already talk about that, while it is directly stated that we will restore Donbas, but it will not take much time for the rest we will hear the same thing in Ukraine, already now forgiveness of all loans and debts of the population and gas supplies at domestic Russian prices. So here it is...
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    1. Carat
      Carat 24 March 2022 11: 01
      +10
      Quote: ancestors from the Don
      2. Destruction of institutions of power


      Such a task was not set and still is not set.
      1. ultra
        ultra 24 March 2022 11: 07
        +8
        And I think that in vain. This should be one of the priorities.
        1. Carat
          Carat 24 March 2022 11: 09
          +4
          I agree with you.
      2. -Paul-
        -Paul- 24 March 2022 12: 48
        +1
        On the territory of the LDNR is placed. The old power is all and immediately changed to a new one. From the reports of LDNR officials.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2022 11: 17
      -4
      The first and most important task of this operation was to be the destruction of all artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including the Tochek U OTRK, and on the very first day destroy all military facilities with massive strikes of 3000 or more - and only then send in troops, but they did not do this and now we have heavy personal losses composition and equipment behind this slow advance due to the same artillery that the Armed Forces of Ukraine still use Grads Points Hurricanes Tornadoes aircraft also work as strike drones.
    3. max702
      max702 24 March 2022 11: 33
      +5
      Quote: ancestors from the Don
      and the ideology of the population will change as the feeling of hunger,

      Will not! They will take everything they give and keep a fig in their pocket and a machine gun in the barn, because mos..li are to blame for everything! They deprived them of their heavenly life in Europe, they came and broke and destroyed everything, they don’t help at all, but what they give is not that and humiliatingly little! .. In a word, Russia must! This whole article is about it.
      1. -Paul-
        -Paul- 24 March 2022 12: 54
        +1
        So it already is. https://vk.com/video-57424472_456289746
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 24 March 2022 12: 19
      +4
      And why did you decide that the population would not blame the Russian army for this?
  6. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 24 March 2022 10: 51
    +3
    I agree with the author that it is impossible to stop at the crossing in any case! This unfinished bastard will revive - that's for sure. Plus, the younger generation will be added to the shortcomings, who are now 14-16, and they have long been brainwashed. Just go to the end! Preferably to the very border with Psheks, Romanians, etc. And there to stand on the border with the barrels of tanks aimed at psheks!
  7. -Paul-
    -Paul- 24 March 2022 10: 53
    +1
    The author forgot to mention the lands of Belarus and the Transcarpathian Republic of the Rusyns.
  8. 72jora72
    72jora72 24 March 2022 10: 53
    -10
    Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Did they report this to you at the General Staff? Are you sure that stupid people are sitting there?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2022 11: 29
      +6
      Unfortunately, the high morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is also evidenced by the number of those who laid down their arms in 28 days of hostilities on the front of almost 2000 kilometers, there are only 1700 people out of more than 300000 personnel. And for such large-scale military operations and assaults on large cities, our Armed Forces and the General Staff were clearly not ready; there was simply no such experience, and the one that was in Chechnya in the 90s and early 2000s has long been forgotten. And as it turned out, attack drones in large quantities, which we need like air for such an operation, we essentially don’t have single copies in service - they are now used to the maximum in the tail and mane.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 24 March 2022 11: 40
        -7
        And our Armed Forces and the General Staff were clearly not ready for such large-scale hostilities and assaults on large cities.
        And I, having two wars behind me, I will say that hardly any other army in the world could have fought so successfully in this theater of operations ...
    2. Sadam
      Sadam 24 March 2022 17: 27
      +1
      The Internet is filled with rumors where the Minister of Defense has disappeared for two weeks already ... Conspiracy theories from heart problems to a palace coup do not add calm
  9. Carat
    Carat 24 March 2022 10: 59
    +6
    Those areas that are now under the control of Russia, plus the DPR and LPR, are likely to be able to become federal units within the Russian Federation.

    The DPR and LPR held referendums in 2015, and more than 50 percent of the inhabitants voted for joining Russia on the rights of Russian regions.
  10. 2112vda
    2112vda 24 March 2022 11: 00
    +8
    In Ukraine, with Nazism, everything went too far. We need to stop all these political games. It will take a long time to re-educate the population. What happened to them, only they are to blame with their Selyuk psychology. They wanted war with Russia, they got it.
    1. Carat
      Carat 24 March 2022 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: 2112vda
      They wanted war with Russia, they got it.


      They not only wanted to, they had been at war with Russia for 8 years. True, Russia came to the war only a month ago.
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 March 2022 11: 03
    +4
    Firstly, the administrative entity of the Ukrainian SSR is not the country of Ukraine. Throughout history, these were Russian lands. And do not be shy about returning them to Russia. No need to invent some kind of republic.
    In the end, the Wild Field turned into Novorossia. And even Little Russia is not exactly Ukraine. Ukraine is the western regions, which infected the entire modern Ukraine with ragulism.
    I understand that the liberals of Russia really do not want to return the Russian lands, but there is no other way.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 24 March 2022 11: 03
    +4
    To remind you once again that it will be difficult, tough and .... it is not necessary to list further, and everything is clear.
    And how everything will turn out in real life, no one can predict, with a sufficient degree of probability.
    One thing is obvious, you can’t stop halfway, it will be a betrayal of everyone who believes ... in the best.
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 24 March 2022 11: 06
    +4
    In principle, the above map is correct. BUT the "great migration of peoples" will begin. Refugees will return who did not plan to stay in the EU, but simply wanted to protect themselves from explosions, shelling and looters. Those who want to live in Little Russia and those who are closer to the ideology of ZU will be resettled.
    And here, by no means, can Little Russia be left without strict control and support for the new government from the Russian Federation. Because Under the guise of immigrants, they will definitely try to send in sabotage groups in order to undermine confidence in the new government.
    There is a lot of work to be done, often dangerous. But we will try, the SBU has not caught all of them yet.
  14. avia12005
    avia12005 24 March 2022 11: 12
    +6
    If the military component of the Russian Federation demonstrates its effectiveness, then the civilian component in the liberated territories has not yet demonstrated anything. With its lack of initiative and dense fear of activity, it inspires the Ukrainian pro-Nazi forces to act against Russia and nullify its military successes. These are some kind of enemies of the people, children of Chubais's nest, honestly.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 24 March 2022 11: 15
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    There, the grouping has already exceeded 200000 + LDNR troops. In the near future, at least 140000 more regular troops and Chechens will be sent to the same Russian Guard, new echelons with equipment are filmed every day throughout Russia as they move west. And the position of Belarus is not clear whether its troops will participate in a special operation or not, they would help well if they took control of the border with Poland.

    I agree. bully
  16. Egor53
    Egor53 24 March 2022 11: 33
    +1
    In the DPR and LPR, the state language is ONE - Russian, and rightly so. It should be the same in all other areas into which the current Ukraine will fall apart. Leaving the Ukrainian language as the state language is a crime against the Russian World. Teaching in the Ukrainian language should not be in higher educational institutions or in schools. The Ukrainian language should remain as a dialect of the rural population, and nothing more. The presence of the Ukrainian language in education will always lead to the propaganda of Ukrainian pseudo-history and the superiority of Ukrainians over all other peoples.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 March 2022 19: 14
      +3
      I am for Ukrainian education at will. But there will be oh how few of them in the South-Eastern part. But by no means by force. From personal experience, completely stoned my child was transferred in the third grade to Ukrainian. Textbooks!!! From birth, he spoke and thought only in Russian until the 3rd grade. And then mathematics in Ukrainian. I Oh..renel. I say it very calmly and so and so. I am more than willingly speaking Ukrainian, my friend. But after that, I just hated these full (qualification) .... Or maybe you are right.
  17. VLR
    VLR 24 March 2022 11: 33
    +10
    The slurred rhetoric of the Kremlin on the future of Ukraine may indicate that the position on this issue has not yet been formed, there is a struggle of opinions. And a possible reason is a banal split in the highest political elite. Political scientist Pavel Salin, for example, argues that many high-ranking officials dream of repeating the "spurt of Chubais", who was allegedly given personal permission to leave by his former subordinate, Putin. One can believe in the split of the elite and even the betrayal of some of its part. Remember how accurate Biden's data about the Special Operation turned out to be - everyone laughed, but the old man knew something. Where? Only a very high-ranking official could leak information. Have you heard anything about arrests at the top? This man, who may be involved in strategic decision-making, apparently still works for the CIA. Two months before the Special Operation, Russian and Belarusian companies increased the supply of diesel fuel to Ukraine by almost one and a half times. Coincidence? What about the strange actions of Nabiulina, who (like Chubais!) is not included in the sanctions list? Flight routes to Sochi, Anapa and Gelendzhik are almost identical.
    Flight routes to Elista or Krasnodar are definitely safer. But planes can fly to Sochi, to 11 cities - for a month now, which gives people a lot of inconvenience. And causes expressed dissatisfaction with the authorities. Along the way, it brings terrible losses to airlines that are on the verge of mass bankruptcy, which will lead to a halt in air traffic with the regions. Who makes such decisions? Imbeciles or traitors?
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 24 March 2022 12: 08
      +2
      After reading your comment, I thought about Chubais. Or maybe he didn’t leave, but was simply sent on a "business trip". A person not under sanctions, entry is allowed everywhere, as well as meetings .. With whom will he meet, what issues to solve? ..?
      1. know
        know 24 March 2022 12: 19
        +3
        Do you consider Chubais "a great patriot sent by his homeland on a special mission"? Oh, I don't think so. Chubais simply could not run away right away - like Urgant, Galkin, Sobchak or Khamatova - after all, he was not an actor or a blogger, but an official - a special representative of the President of Russia on sustainable development. Apparently, all this time he begged him to let him go - using old connections. And now the non-sanctioned Chubais will be comfortably located in Marbella or Nice and will give interviews, as he wanted to make "wild Russians" into "fluffy Europeans", but they did not understand his great thoughts and did not want to.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 24 March 2022 12: 22
          +1
          Do you consider Chubais "a great patriot sent by his homeland on a special mission"?
          Chubais, I think "Hess", which went on a special mission. As mentioned, in due time.
  18. Detnix
    Detnix 24 March 2022 11: 35
    +2
    That's right and to the point, leaving Ukraine after the "victory" will be a defeat!
  19. demo
    demo 24 March 2022 11: 56
    +11
    More and more I am convinced that naivety and short-sightedness are a characteristic feature of our people.
    I read the article. I read the comments.
    There is an opinion that practically no one understands how and why such a procedure is carried out - denazification.
    There was an example in history - Germany.
    By the beginning of the denazification procedure, it was divided into zones of occupation.
    How the denazification took place in the Soviet zone of occupation is scarce and it is impossible to obtain exhaustive data.
    But there are enough materials on denazification in the western zones of occupation.
    The Americans got down to business zealously.
    They forced 14 million Germans to fill out questionnaires.
    Sorted them into groups.
    Those who did not cooperate with the German regime (there were some) were ranked among the most trustworthy.
    Next.
    In order to prevent them (the Americans) from being accused of bias (then they were still modest), it was decided that only local Germans could be judges.
    Therefore, both lawyers and prosecutors must be local.
    It looks like things worked out.
    But after a short period of time, the Americans began to pay attention to the fact that the number of acquittals began to increase.
    I don’t remember exactly how much, but after two or three years the “shop” was closed.
    That's the whole story.
    Regarding Ukraine.
    If you go on the beaten track, it will be the same crap as in Germany.
    So there must be an International Tribunal (for a purely Russian court - not one country in the world does not recognize the legitimacy of decisions).
    And who, besides Russia, will enter there?
    Belarus? I doubt. For eight years (EIGHT, Carl), the twisted tail of a pig shied away from recognizing the Crimea. He put his citizens in prison for many years for participating in the battles for the LDNR.
    Kazakhstan? Fuck you, not a tribunal. Not a single good deed (support for the Tokayev regime) will go unpunished.
    Kyrgyzstan? Again I doubt.
    China? Mongolia? Venezuela?
    Who??????? Ay!!!!!!
    Here we have arrived.
    And what is the judiciary in Russia, its incorruptibility, its exactingness, its adherence to principles - is very well known.
    Remember judge Khakhalev, still?
    She was allowed to escape from Russia. Out of sight, out of mind.
    Judge, judged for 20 years with a false diploma.
    She signed 20000 sentences on behalf of the Russian Federation.
    Those. they are all illegal.
    All prisoners must be released. All to be compensated. Give everyone the opportunity to rehabilitate. And then consider all the cases again!
    But the authorities did not go for this! And it won't. It’s easier for Khakhalev to just forget and not remember.
    So who will believe our "impartial" Russian judges?
    I'm the first to not believe.
    I don’t even want to talk about the investigative bodies of the Russian Federation, the prosecutor’s office, the FSB, etc.
    And what will we come to with Ukraine?
    But this is only the first step.
    And then - more.
    Phew. I'm tired of voicing common truths.
    In short.
    We got into trouble with Ukraine in full.
    1. Stas
      Stas 25 March 2022 04: 31
      +1
      I agree, you are correct. In the last sentence, you can replace. We plunged into Ukraine not childishly.
  20. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 24 March 2022 11: 57
    +4
    The new "Night Avengers" under the old flag of the OUN-UPA will, like the progenitors, intimidate the inhabitants of cities and villages at night, who will be loyal and friendly towards Russia and its innovations. And the most stubborn in their convictions are simply destroyed.
    ..At the highest level, it was stated that there would be no occupation .. Therefore, this will happen .... Revision of borders? The Helsinki agreements are completely in the dust. , the second, for leaving ..
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 24 March 2022 12: 19
      +2
      There was an example in history - Germany.
      ..Well, in which part of the denazification was more successful, in the western part of Germany or the east? After some time, revanchist sentiments arose in Germany, various fraternities, organizations that seemed to be public did not take part in the elections, but were essentially Nazi. Then the Nazi party appeared, although it was soon banned .. But the most interesting thing was that the Communists were banned and that characteristically, for the communists there was a ban on professions, but not for the Nazis.
      1. demo
        demo 25 March 2022 06: 45
        0
        The fact is that I drew attention to the fact that our materials on denazification are still classified as secret.
        Therefore, it is not possible to compare methods and methods.
        And the result is yes. In East Germany (GDR), those who stained themselves with collaboration with the Nazis sat like mice under a broom in the kitchen when the cat was in the house.
        By the way.
        Yesterday my neighbor talked about what is happening right now in Germany.
        Her own brother married an ethnic German in the distant years.
        When Kohl began to invite Germans from the former USSR back to Germany, he and his wife (and two children) decided to leave.
        It has been 30 years since he and his family live in Germany.
        Relations with neighbors and work colleagues have always been warm. No one has ever said a word or half a word to him (he is Russian!)
        And then the events in Ukraine.
        And what do you think?
        Yesterday's nice people stopped saying hello.
        Posters appear around the city calling for the expulsion of all Russians (and there are quite a few of them). It got to the point that there were calls to kill Russians and their children.
        Everything became so aggravated that the brother called and asked if he and his family could come and sit out this crisis in relations?
        Her daughter married a German and has been living in Germany for twenty years.
        Her children are German by birth and by father.
        And the attitude towards them has changed dramatically both at the university and at school.
        They have a German surname. Father is German.
        But the mother is RUSSIAN!
        nitpicking. Insults.
        So the denazification that was carried out in Germany after the end of the war, both in the eastern and in the western zones, did not achieve its main tasks - Nazism, like a weed, even after 70 years raises its head on German soil.
        The fight against Nazism, from my point of view, can be successful only under one condition.
        ALL (100%) citizens who lived in the territory of the state where this ideology triumphed, starting from the age of 12, must be isolated.
        Who is 5, who is 10, who is 20 years old. And who and for life.
        For re-education after 12 years is a completely useless exercise.
        I know a lot of people won't like my thoughts.
        But facts are stubborn things.
        And we see Ukraine. And Germany.
        And not far off when a similar thing can be revived in Italy, in Spain, in Portugal.
        Yes, God, I'm wrong.
        But most likely the highest and last stage of capitalism is not imperialism, but Nazism.
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 March 2022 11: 58
    +16
    Roman, you rely too much on our traditional view of things - that we will intimidate them now so that they sit down at the negotiating table. And if not ? What if the internationally recognized government in Ukraine does not rush to make peace "without looking"? That's exactly what she's doing now, behind all this formal talking shop. And what if this formal power, in order for the collapse to happen (legal, I note), will have to be driven to the last unoccupied region - through the western regions as well? Because they may well have a plan to remain a formal power for as long as possible, being on the territory of the country (at least de jure). In this status, they will coordinate some forces, initiate international institutions, and so on.
    We are now, apparently, waiting for some kind of relatively summed up legal finale of all this. And what if they are not going to arrange this legal finale for us? We will have to occupy and control large areas, while simultaneously solving the issues of occupying even larger ones. To divert humanitarian aid resources and simply colossal finances for this.
    Time in this case plays on Kyiv, because the devastation and the military situation will inevitably anger the population, the more, the longer it lasts. We do not have the means to stop this in the long run, therefore, there is a high probability that in a protracted conflict this discontent may be directed against us. Which, no doubt, the West will expect.

    1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
    3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population.


    1) The Armed Forces of Ukraine drew conclusions from 2014. If in the year 14 many people had doubts about how they should react to the activity of the Russian Federation, then after 8 years there are practically no such doubts. In the year 14, we could come to them as carriers of the "cure for the mess", like a sort of "big brother". And now they perceive it completely differently and, consequently, many resist. For personnel officers, this is work, their mentality is not much different from our own, in which there is a country and it must be protected (whatever it is). Flesh of flesh, so to speak.

    2) After 2014, it was worthwhile to understand that this calculation can generally be forgotten. For 6 years (or even until now) we regularly "buried" the Kiev authorities, and meanwhile elections were held there, new presidents came and everything worked "like a clock". Individual freaky characters still created a colorful background there, but this did not greatly hinder the caravan from going on. .authorities. The vertical has got a hand in working in such an environment, it was damn naive not to take this into account.

    3) Now I will say not the most pleasant thing - but in my opinion our actions (in the period from 2014 to 2022) disappointed a significant part of the pro-Russian population. This is a large-scale question, for good it is necessary to write an article on this subject, but these are terrifying Augean stables.
    In short:

    a) The Russian-speaking space pursued a completely mediocre information policy in terms of strategy and quality of supply "to Ukraine". Our media have piled such a bunch of household "kitchen" trash into relations between peoples that, unfortunately, in terms of the adequacy of rhetoric, they are not far from their Ukrainian colleagues. Constantly intersecting with this, the part of the population of Ukraine oriented towards Russian-language sources of information quite predictably turned away from us - on an intellectual, patriotic, aesthetic level.

    b) The promising "Russian Spring" somehow died out in its time, turning into an endless hardcore for the population of the "unrecognized republics", which, as a result, dangled in a state of extreme instability for 8 years. Accordingly, observing this, those wishing to build the Kharkov or Odessa People's Republic with "Pushilin and the People's Militia" - to put it mildly, did not increase. From the point of view of these people, "the question died out" by saying A was not said to B and C.

    c) At the household level, I understand how sucks it is when a neighboring state endlessly "buries" yours - your economy in particular. Especially if you work at the same time, raise children and try to live and survive. When it does not last long, "for the glory of a brighter future", it can still be digested. But when this pipe becomes boring, a person can choose the practical-spiritual, let's say so. That is, to take the side of a "relatively stable today" - a purely hypothetical and muddy tomorrow.
    Our elites did not formulate a clear and tough-attractive plan "for Ukraine", which would make the Russian-oriented part of the local society "drool". For quite a long time, our position was incomprehensible even within the Russian Federation itself - this could be interpreted as weakness, it did not add points to us.

    Now, in view of this, these people are in no hurry to "harness themselves" - they do not understand what is happening, how deeply and fundamentally we set goals. They also do not feel their own benefits from being involved in all this. In such conditions - a wait-and-see attitude is the height of rationality, you can not blame them for it.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      24 March 2022 13: 46
      +6
      Roman, you rely too much on our traditional way of looking at things.


      No. The goal was somewhat different - to encourage people to think and draw their own conclusions. Here's how you wrote - it worked. Your point 3 is just great, I applaud.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 24 March 2022 15: 59
      -1
      For 6 years (or even until now) they regularly "buried" the Kiev authorities, and meanwhile elections were held there, new presidents came and everything worked "like a clock".


      Your mistake is already visible in the fact that you can take Ukraine in the fall of 2013 before the Maidan, and there, too, everything was "like clockwork." No one could have imagined that in a matter of months gangs of stubborn people, over whom all of Russia was neighing, would destroy the center of Kyiv, Crimea would become Russian, and tanks would go to Donbass, no one could have imagined.

      Less than 8 years have passed, everyone seems to have got used to the new environment, and she literally turned upside down again in one day.

      Of course, all this did not happen out of the blue, and the average person can draw only one conclusion here, that he personally has no idea what is really happening. So why now engage in arguments that Russia is this, Russia is this, if we have no idea about its plans. And the Russian leadership was not obliged to show any "plans for Ukraine" to anyone, on the contrary, before the definition. plans must be kept secret from the moment.
  22. Andrey563S
    Andrey563S 24 March 2022 12: 21
    +4
    You can downvote me.
    BUT.
    Many here make the mistake of saying that the population in the liberated territories is afraid that the Russians will leave and therefore do not support us. For some reason, we want to divide the Ukrainians into Nazis Vsu and normal.
    And who fights in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Territorial Defense, who are the Nazi battalions? Of the ordinary residents of Ukraine, many in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have brothers, husbands, sons. The Azov Regiment is actually from Mariupol.
    And who will support us?

    Unfortunately, relations between peoples have been spoiled for many years to come.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      24 March 2022 13: 49
      0
      No, you know, ordinary residents of Ukraine and organisms completely decorated with Nazi symbols, swastikas, and who are found wearing armbands of the NSDAP model are two different things. Some will live and work normally, the second, apparently, will go to the camps. And it will be very tolerant and in a European way.
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  24. know
    know 24 March 2022 12: 52
    +1
    By the way, they say that medals "For the Capture of Crimea" were found in the safes of the Kherson military registration and enlistment offices. And in Kiev, apparently, "For the capture of Moscow" are?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 March 2022 19: 17
      +1
      This is probably meant
      1. mbebebe
        mbebebe 28 March 2022 23: 34
        0
        And you know what's funny? In Ukrainian, he is Oleksandrovich, a Ukrainian cannot make such a mistake.
  25. Million
    Million 24 March 2022 12: 55
    +2
    Only the division of Ukraine will help. The rest does not bode well. Only then will there be peace. IMHO.
  26. pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 24 March 2022 13: 29
    0
    We liberated the territory with cities and towns, so immediately, in parallel, the new administration must be put in place !!! Haven't the population been so fooled that they don't want to help the Russian Army and don't believe in the return of order without Nazis and other terrorists??? To control order from saboteurs, there is our National Guard, so that they don’t eat bread in vain !!! Or did all ordinary Ukrainians and peasants run away with women to Russia??? All the rich fled to Geyropa and Russia!!! They don't need a NEW UKRAINE, ANYBODY!!! Let the Russians again coffin??? am stop fool repeat
  27. Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 March 2022 14: 13
    +1
    "1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
    3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population."

    If you think about it, these are anti-Kremlin theses.
    We are told that everything is thought out, there is a plan to reduce losses, etc.

    If this was promised by some media, then it is unlikely that this really applies to military planning, and it would be nice to check such media for the quality of the material.
    And then some of the fat in Ukraine ended already 3 times, and trains do not go to the Russian Federation, but all to no purpose.
  28. Tavrik
    Tavrik 24 March 2022 15: 03
    -1
    Quote: demo
    How the denazification took place in the Soviet zone of occupation is scarce and it is impossible to obtain exhaustive data.

    Socialism began to be built in the Soviet zone. Based on local workers, peasants and Telman communists who returned from emigration from the USSR. The Weimar Republic was still in the memory of many. The new system, the state of workers and peasants. Thus, we received thousands and thousands of allies devoted to the cause of the USSR from Berlin to the last village. Plus the overwhelming prestige of the USSR as a winner. Plus, the help of the NKVD and military commandant's offices in the field.
  29. Borislav
    Borislav 24 March 2022 15: 28
    -2
    The author did not think about the option - Return Crimea and the DPR-LPR + payment of reparations to Ukraine.
    This is the only way for Russia to get out of this war. Because Ukraine will not surrender.
    They are Nazis and Nazis don't give up.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2022 17: 03
      -3
      Why not give up - give up when all the equipment runs out of artillery, fuel and food with ammunition. This will happen before the end of the summer. The main thing is now the population in the occupied territories to shake off with good buns by the type of reducing the cost of housing and communal services, writing off debts and turning on our TV and turning off all Ukrainian ones.
  30. EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 March 2022 15: 34
    -3
    1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
    3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population.


    And why did Skomorokhov take that the Moscow Region had such calculations? The same Rostislav Ishchenko, for example, has been saying for months that a war in Ukraine is quite possible, and the authorities can start it, and they may have plans for this that allow them not to lose, as well as the ability to slow down the advance of the Russian army, by placing the Armed Forces of Ukraine in cities that would be unacceptable to smash into rubble? Are people more stupid than political scientists in the General Staff? Something I doubt. And they certainly know better.

    The MO should not plan at all for the enemy to flee in horror, otherwise it will not be able to solve its problems. On the one hand, the resilience of the Ukrainian army, on the one hand, could be lower than a year, for example, in 2018, now it was trained, apparently, to strike at the Donbass (the declared huge number of downed Ukrainian aircraft with modern means of objective control is surprising, although in 2014-15 the Ukrainian Air Force showed a complete helplessness, and here, on the campaign, they patched up the litaks to the planes), and on the other hand, with a real assessment of the forces involved by Russia, it is not so great. At the beginning of the operation, the numerical superiority in l / s was more likely even on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and conventional battles with machine guns, armored vehicles and howitzers for the Russian army, which has similar weapons, could not be easy, however, its superiority in long-range missile weapons and the Russian Air Force the army quite successfully converts into exchange with a much better loss ratio for itself. At some point, the Russian army will already have a noticeable numerical superiority, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will crumble.
  31. EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 March 2022 15: 50
    -1
    The new "Night Avengers" under the old flag of the OUN-UPA will, like the progenitors, intimidate residents of cities and villages at night


    They won’t, because they don’t know how to live in the forests, and without it they will quickly lie face down on the floor. Internet fighters will be the first to rub the posts. Yes, and the descendants of the bandits live a little on the other side, and it’s as if the Poles didn’t take them for themselves. I, in principle, do not mind, they will quickly explain to them for Bandera so that only shreds of skin with blood from the backs will fly.

    the main crime and gloom would be to count on agreements with the Ukrainian elites


    What does agreements mean? The agreement can also be in the form of curtailing all anti-Russian activities with the surrender of cities, in exchange for a certain amount in your pocket and a happy old age in Argentina. In case of disagreement - liquidation, or trial and life imprisonment, if not the gallows.

    And if these people cannot help us in any way to save people during the occupation of the territory, then what is there to talk about with them? The conversation can only be about a form of surrender. On February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, reality has changed in general, and it’s not a fact that these characters decide anything at all. At least, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not obey them.

    In short, Minsk-3. And the Russian troops go back. The bear crawls into the den.


    And you can ask how, in the absence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv will affect the desire of some Kharkov to secede? No way.

    Well, in general, the ruble begins to circulate in the Kherson region. The population cannot wait until the Russian army reaches Lvov, which means that the occupied territories will inevitably be economically integrated with Russia, otherwise they even have nowhere to bring food. That is, by the summer, it doesn’t matter if the war ends or not, but the occupied territories will become Russian in fact, and no one will leave from there.
  32. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 March 2022 16: 48
    0
    Soon a new spring, autumn without a harvest, let's see what happens.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2022 17: 05
      -2
      We will feed from our reserves and what to do this special operation its active phase at the current pace will last at least another six months.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 26 March 2022 09: 12
        0
        It won’t work, Russia won’t feed for nothing, it will give a little humanitarian aid. Let's see how long the Ukrainians will last in the 21st century on the rations of Africans.
  33. Simple
    Simple 24 March 2022 16: 58
    -1
    Despite the assurances of the Russian leader that nothing will happen to Ukraine except demilitarization and denazification, today it is absolutely clear that if the right-Nazi state that happened in Ukraine is not destroyed at the root, after some time it will still be reborn.


    There is a rather effective option - admission to Russia up to Western Ukraine. Looks radical but effective.


    So today Poland is carrying out some kind of manipulations with its army, but we'll see what prospects this can bring.


    So far, you can see quite long queues from all sorts of transporters and buses in the direction from Poland
    to Western Ukraine. The majority are men of military age from 22 to 60.
    Ideological and not very but with Western propaganda in my head.

    Ukraine ceases even to dream of NATO and nuclear status, "gives a tooth" that there are no blocs, complete neutrality, like in Switzerland.


    Without the approval of the West, this is impossible, and taking into account the terry propaganda that Westerners are surrounded with, this is still in the realm of fantasy.

    The current headache is how to feed people in Ukraine, especially in winter and next spring and summer.
  34. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 24 March 2022 19: 01
    0
    After. After...everything after. BUT! first mumuba. (anectodic.)
  35. Yuri Veselov
    Yuri Veselov 24 March 2022 20: 07
    -1
    press .... press ... press
  36. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 24 March 2022 22: 26
    +1
    . Today, three conclusions can be voiced:

    1. Underestimation of the training and fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    2. Frankly naive calculation that the collapse of state power will happen.
    3. Calculation for help from the anti-Nazi part of the country's population.

    It's strange to read this. Personally, I only found out by lunchtime on the 24th that the operation had begun. As for me, the task of the forced offensive was to suppress air defense, air force, military infrastructure, warehouses, communications, defense industry, occupy key facilities, and establish rear areas.
    Haven't heard of a deadline. And he did not know what exactly the goals were pursued.
    The goals announced today are not quickly achievable. I don't see where the error is.
    When I work silently, too, not everyone understands what I'm doing until the end result is achieved
    1. DeGreen
      DeGreen 26 March 2022 14: 58
      0
      Skomorokhov likes to make sensations from scratch
  37. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 24 March 2022 23: 33
    +1
    Personally, I would not divide the "skin", as in the picture in the cap.

    Also, I wouldn't say
    that the plans of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation were based on expectations,
    as far as I know this "kitchen".
    It's up to politicians to live "wet" dreams.
    Working in Ukraine is not a process way,
    and work "for the result."
    In this case,
    planning has a short-term (operational)
    character, at every step, with fixation of the result.
    The principle of "slowly go down the mountain and solve everything."

    So, about "meet with bread and salt" - this is more
    to politicians, not to - the military.

    My opinion, of course.
    Don't mistake it for mentoring.
  38. Mobik
    Mobik 25 March 2022 09: 38
    0
    Not Shushkevich, but Shukhevych.
  39. DeGreen
    DeGreen 26 March 2022 14: 57
    0
    Roman Skomorokhov, you are again writing gag.
    1. The General Staff of the Russian Federation stated, for another 2 months of gas, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a strong army, trained by NATO instructors and brought up in the spirit of hatred for Russia.
    2. The same Lavrov said that there would be no collapse of power in Ukraine, the United States would not let it, it would pull the power of Ukraine to the last Ukrainian.
    3. The same General Staff and officers of Novorossia have stated many times that no one in Ukraine will help Russia and the Republics in the destruction of the ukroreich and the ukrovermacht. The Ukrainians will simply wait.
    You seem to be not a stupid person, but write such nonsense
  40. yashka12007
    yashka12007 28 March 2022 09: 55
    -2
    The best illustration is footage of how literally a few scoundrels dispersed those who wanted to receive humanitarian aid from the hands of the Russians, and they succeeded. But if these scoundrels were immediately shot and there is no need to look at the reaction of the world community, well, if our soldiers do not want to do dirty work, then we need to find a special contingent for these purposes.
  41. WWI
    WWI 28 March 2022 18: 50
    -1
    Polissya, together with Rivne and Chernihiv, is the best option for Belarus. Our people are always glad to neighbors and will not leave them in trouble.
  42. Electrical
    Electrical 30 March 2022 14: 04
    -1
    If we approach the division of territories honestly and on principle, we should return access to the sea to Moldova. And at the same time restore the border with Romania along the Prut River! Moldova is fertile land and an additional buffer zone from NATO! And Transnistria can become a pretext.