Javelin and Kornet: a Western publication called the conflict in Ukraine a struggle of anti-tank missiles

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Anti-tank weapons are one of the main directions of Western supplies to Ukraine. The United States and NATO believe that with the help of anti-tank missiles, the Ukrainian army will be able to restrain the advance of Russian troops. But after all, Russia also has effective anti-tank weapons, writes the Western edition of Insider (not to be confused with the Russian edition-foreign agent).

We are talking about Kornet anti-tank missiles that can compete with Javelin and NLAW, which the West supplies to Ukraine. As Brent Eastwood, a writer for the Western publication Insider, notes, the Russian military considers its missiles even more effective than American or British ones. The Kornet has a great range and speed; the rocket has been demonstrated more than once at international army games.



According to Eastwood, the Ukrainian military is demonstrating impressive success in the fight against Russian armored vehicles, but one should not forget about the tendentiousness of the foreign press: even attempts at independent analysis are not free today from a propaganda raid. Whether Ukrainians are successful or unsuccessful against Russian armored vehicles, the fact remains that it is Russia today that is conducting a military operation in Ukraine and taking control of one city after another, and not vice versa.

Eastwood calls operation in Ukraine an anti-tank missile competition, not a battle tanks with tanks. It is anti-tank missiles, in his opinion, that are becoming decisive weapons in conflict. Probably, the military-political leaders of the United States and NATO also think, since the main emphasis in military supplies for the needs of the Ukrainian army is placed precisely on anti-tank weapons.

The author in the Western media emphasizes that the Kornet, unlike the Javelin, requires service by two servicemen, for firing it must be installed on an armored vehicle. American and British anti-tank missiles in this regard are much lighter and more mobile, you can shoot from the shoulder. But the Kornet has a longer firing range, it easily destroys enemy bunkers or fortified firing points. The Cornet is a laser-guided direct-fire weapon like the NLAW, Eastwood points out.

The author concludes that the Russian army, if it wants to avoid the loss of tanks and armored vehicles, should move away from the tactics of moving in large and long columns of ground troops, which remain vulnerable to mobile groups of Ukrainian nationalists armed with Javelin or NLAW.
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  1. +17
    15 March 2022 10: 34
    An analysis of the combat use of various means, this will be later.
    In the meantime, we need to work more carefully, in all directions and the result will be.
    1. +9
      15 March 2022 10: 37
      Quote: rocket757
      An analysis of the combat use of various means, this will be later.

      In the meantime, any controversial pictures are considered as "victories" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      Already two times the tank forces of Russia have been "defeated". laughing
      1. +2
        15 March 2022 10: 40
        It is possible to raise morale with "beautiful pictures", but only to the point ... when there is someone to raise it.
        Real events bring many to life, much faster than new pictures are drawn.
        1. +6
          15 March 2022 10: 47
          Quote: rocket757
          Real events bring many to life, much faster than new pictures are drawn.

          Look how fans of "military walks" at the Yavorsky training ground of Ukraine instantly came to their senses! Immediately almost on the song - "Mom, mom, what are we going to do ?!"
          1. +2
            15 March 2022 11: 10
            A good example, just like in the textbook.
        2. +2
          15 March 2022 11: 16
          Quote: rocket757
          It is possible to raise morale with "beautiful pictures", but only to the point ... when there is someone to raise it.

          "Beautiful pictures" are not for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukrainians, but for the expected buyers.
          1. +1
            15 March 2022 11: 39
            They will have to do everything at once ... with different quality, of course, i.e. costs and efforts, for special cases they will not regret it .... but for skakuas it will be cheaper, they are already vibrating anyway and I can’t stop anymore.
            1. +1
              15 March 2022 12: 41
              Quote: rocket757
              and for skakuases it will come down cheaper, they are already vibrating anyway and I can’t stop anymore.

              In general, all manufacturing defects are sent to Ukraine. One - "lose, or drink away."
              1. 0
                15 March 2022 12: 45
                Hurry, they strive to get by on the cheap ...
                The quality of the work is so-so, but, against the backdrop of general hysteria, it will do.
                If only there were few truly violent people, there are not so many truly thinking people ... alas, alas, hysteria and psychosis, in many places they have already taken root and prosper!
                The hangover will be tough, that's for sure!
      2. +16
        15 March 2022 10: 49
        The confrontation of armies is, first of all, the confrontation of people.
        And from a simple Berdanka you can shoot at the enemy. The same Houthis are now clearly showing the Saudis that resources and technical superiority by no means guarantee victory.
        Although, of course, technical superiority can significantly reduce losses.
        Well, competent and experienced command, of course. Even Napoleon said that a herd of sheep led by a lion is stronger than a flock of lions led by a ram.
        As for the Kornets specifically, the military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is mainly destroyed from the air.
        Here are the ambushes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - yes. Grenade launchers are used. And in the following decades, we must not forget who gave them to Kiev. Don't forget and don't forgive.
        1. +4
          15 March 2022 11: 12
          Nothing should be forgotten, it is harmful for ... harmful, in short.
      3. +8
        15 March 2022 10: 51
        I did not understand, so who, according to the expert, will win? wink laughing
        1. +1
          15 March 2022 11: 13
          Quote: NIKNN
          I did not understand, so who, according to the expert, will win? wink laughing

          He rarely asks such questions, but in his article about Poisedon, he directly writes - We (USA) will have kirdyk laughing
        2. +2
          15 March 2022 11: 16
          Quote: NIKNN
          I did not understand, so who, according to the expert, will win?

          As always, money wins.
        3. +4
          15 March 2022 11: 26
          Unfortunately, friendship, this ra won't win...
          Painfully a lot of things heaped up all sorts of guardians where it was impossible to let them in.
          1. 0
            15 March 2022 12: 13
            Quote: rocket757
            Unfortunately, friendship, this ra won't win...
            Painfully a lot of things heaped up all sorts of guardians where it was impossible to let them in.

            I will not advise anything to our Ministry of Defense - there, I think, people are smarter than a retired senior sergeant of the Airborne Forces.

            But, what was taught and what can I do - isn't it time to cut throats? Finnish. With a yushka to squirt from the sonka?
            1. +1
              15 March 2022 12: 50
              My experience tells me that you have to do it differently. So far, in the heat of battle, you can greatly thin out those who cannot be left in the liberated territory ... and the rest, with them, too, in different ways. They themselves decided to filter out, apparently ... they run, they leave Nenko, they think there will be jelly banks and milk rivers for them.
              They are strange, do they still believe in fairy tales ???
              1. +5
                15 March 2022 16: 09
                Quote: rocket757
                They are strange, do they still believe in fairy tales ???

                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Isn't it time to cut throats? Finnish. With a yushka to squirt from the sonka?

                You know, Victor... You and I are of the same generation - Soviet. Both at school and in the army we were taught, I think, the same thing. And so, I think it's time
                throat cut? Finnish. With a yushka to squirt from the sonka?
                My son will graduate from Ryazan this year. I think they taught him there. Yes, plus dad and grandfather - you shouldn’t discount combat experience either.
                Some of his friends remained from his father. In office, generals. As my father tried to ensure that I did not serve in the construction battalion in Bashkiria, but in the 56th Guards ODShBR, where they shoot, so I will try to get my son "where necessary."

                It was touching at the airfield in Kabul when my father and I met. I, private, there. He, Lieutenant Colonel, back. There was no time. We hugged and he told me one thing - "DO NOT DISHAMINATE YOUR SURNAME".
                He did not disgrace. Three medals and an order with which the Motherland noted are confirmation of this.
                1. +2
                  15 March 2022 19: 10
                  We went through the same "universities", but different faculties ...
                  And the rest, it happens in different ways ... combat missions, and there were other "humanitarian" missions, they were not noted for them in any way, most often they preferred to remain silent about them, and then forget.
                  However, this was a long time ago...
                  I only care about one thing, so that "frenzy, battle madness" does not touch any of our soldiers. There, and so much grief will be poured out on everyone, it can cover with a head.
                  We must always remain human and it will return to us a hundredfold.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2022 22: 03
                    Quote: rocket757
                    I only care about one thing, so that "frenzy, battle madness" does not touch any of our soldiers.

                    Even then, in the 80s, we were warned against this and, it used to be, they caught us with their butt in the barrel, in the liver when they forgot. I caught it once when I "played too much". Yes, not from someone, but from the brigade commander. And I think he was right.
                    1. +2
                      15 March 2022 22: 21
                      In, in, "universities" are the same. No matter which faculty, the rules were one for all ....
                      I, from those "humanitarian" missions, have two memos that are always with me ... well, how my relatives have become.
        4. +1
          15 March 2022 13: 32
          I did not understand, so who, according to the expert, will win? wink laughing

          In fact or in words?
      4. +5
        15 March 2022 12: 06
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In the meantime, any controversial pictures are considered as "victories" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

        Yesterday's Tochka-U attack on Donetsk after 20 (!) minutes was tried to be presented by the Air Force as a "Russian missile attack on a peaceful city." And after all, BBC journalists, surprisingly, were on the spot faster than the Ministry of Emergencies.

        And because it was not in vain that "mothers" were gathered near the administration at 12.00. And arrival at 12.10. All of them should have been covered. And who is to blame? Well, you already know.

        My mother, when I was in Kandahar and Khost, did not go anywhere to hold meetings. I just sat at home, taught children math at school and waited for me to return. Alive and healthy. And I returned.
        1. +1
          15 March 2022 12: 31
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          My mother, when I was in Kandahar and Khost, did not go anywhere to hold meetings.

          Other times - other technologies, it is much easier to gather people not even for a rally, but simply for a meeting.
          1. +2
            15 March 2022 12: 38
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Other times - other technologies, it is much easier to gather people not even for a rally, but simply for a meeting.

            I'm not talking about time and technology. And about the animal essence of Ukraine. Gather mothers, gasp and blame Russia

            My mother waited for me, but the girl who loved me "more than life" did not. She wrote that "you will return or not - it is not known. And youth (at 19 years old!) Is passing." And I left documents and medals for the platoon commander on the combat exit, and her photograph was in the left inner pocket of the HB.
    2. 0
      15 March 2022 11: 55
      Nv APU now, weapons are being tested. We galloped
    3. -2
      16 March 2022 16: 29
      to escort the columns, it might be worth creating a light armored vehicle that can detect laser radiation and other signs of guidance, and then take action such as smoke, foil, heat traps, etc.
      China puts such equipment on new tanks and reconnaissance vehicles
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          1. -1
            16 March 2022 16: 56
            So-so-so ... Let's talk about

            Quote: yehat2
            which allows detecting laser irradiation

            Irradiation of the escorted column, yeah.

            And then you somehow swerved sharply to the side ... amateur laughing
            1. -1
              16 March 2022 17: 00
              Quote: Repellent
              Irradiation of the escorted column, yeah.

              And then you somehow swerved sharply to the side ... amateur
              Reply
              Quote
              A complaint

              do not give out what you invented to what I said
              and stop trolling
              I said just irradiation - no one bothers to let 1 car in front of the column
              about laser detection, by the way.
              its narrow beam can be detected using a thermal imager and there are also such systems, though not automatic - you need to stare at the screen yourself
              1. +2
                16 March 2022 17: 03
                Quote: yehat2
                do not give out what you invented to what I said

                Quote: yehat2
                to accompany the columns, it might be worth creating a light armored vehicle that allows you to detect laser irradiation

                You said? You... and now start thinking:

                The car accompanies the convoy. One of the machines of the column is irradiated with a laser. Should the escort car track it? If yes, how? If not, why this car?

                Quote: yehat2
                stop trolling name calling

                It's me softly yet ... be patient laughing
                1. -3
                  16 March 2022 17: 10
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Should the escort car track it?

                  it's up to the boss to decide who owes what
                  Quote: Repellent
                  If yes, how?

                  a thermal imager can see a long-lasting beam of coherent light, especially in a not quite clean atmosphere, it is contrasty. Usually there is enough dust near the column or road and this makes it easier to detect the beam.
                  the problem is different - it is expensive, time-consuming and not reliable - for example, the beam can be covered with something. The beam from above (UAV attack) is much more difficult to detect, because it does not have very good contrast.
                  But we're talking about infantry for now.
                  1. +1
                    16 March 2022 17: 14
                    Quote: yehat2
                    it's up to the boss to decide who owes what

                    Nope. If, in your opinion, the "column escort vehicle" should, in your opinion, be able to "detect laser irradiation", then we are talking about the column that it covers.

                    The problem is that this is (generally) technically impossible. Then the question is - what were you thinking when you wrote it? That's very interesting.

                    Quote: yehat2
                    we are talking about the infantry

                    We're talking about this for now:

                    Quote: yehat2
                    to accompany the columns, it might be worth creating a light armored vehicle that allows you to detect laser irradiation

                    Do not be distructed Yes
                    1. -2
                      16 March 2022 17: 21
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Don't deviate

                      what are you brainwashing? I am not deviating anywhere and am talking about pointing parallel to the ground, i.e. infantry
                      the escort armored vehicle is a platform, and now we are talking about what to put there. If you don’t like an armored car, you can load a donkey or a delinquent conscript.
                      Quote: Repellent
                      must, in your opinion, be able to "detect laser radiation"

                      uh no, I said the escort car should be specialized, but what it MAY be able to do is a separate conversation.
                      what is already in operation - radar systems for detecting shelling with both shells and bullets, sound guidance systems, optical and thermal surveillance systems, there are radio exposure sensors with popular frequencies, light sensors, there is an UAV for visual inspection from above, and there is also a magnetic, chemical and radio trawl to track mines on the road
                      This is a hell of a lot of means by which most attacks on the convoy can be detected and localized. And all this already exists in the armies of different countries.
                      and I have also shown that non-directed laser irradiation from above can be seen by these means.
                      1. +2
                        16 March 2022 17: 27
                        Quote: yehat2
                        uh no, I said the escort car should be specialized, but what it MAY be able to do is a separate conversation

                        Quote: yehat2
                        to escort the columns, it might be worth creating a light armored vehicle that can detect laser radiation and other signs of guidance, and then take action such as smoke, foil, heat traps, etc.

                        Did you write or who? So here it is:

                        - such a machine will be able to detect only self-irradiation. No more
                        - the smoke after exposure is detected is already useless, the ATGM will arrive earlier than you put the smoke.

                        You wrote a lot of nonsense there. And now for some reason you are nervous and trying to justify yourself. Well, I say - an amateur ... and this is not an offense, it's just a statement of fact. Get over it and live with it hi
                      2. -3
                        16 March 2022 17: 35
                        Quote: Repellent
                        such a machine would be able to detect exposure to itself. No more
                        - smoke and so on after radiation is detected is already useless. Just not in time, the ATGM will arrive earlier

                        judging by the video, the average flight time of such weapons is about a minute
                        at the same time, it does not fly right away - first they choose a target and prepare for shooting
                        Is there really no time at all to shoot a grenade with smoke towards the beam?
                        how long does it take for it to fly and explode?
                        I think you are swimming laughing
                        I'm far from an expert in this area, but there are the simplest things.
                        a Chinese tank is completely covered in smoke a second and a half after detecting a laser beam - there is a video
                        I think to prevent aiming at a car within 200 meters, 15 seconds is enough after detecting a beam thread.
                        What's so unreal???
                      3. +1
                        16 March 2022 17: 45
                        Quote: yehat2
                        What's so unreal???

                        Quote: yehat2
                        to accompany the columns, it might be worth creating a light armored vehicle that allows you to detect laser irradiation

                        Quote: Repellent
                        such a machine can only detect exposure to itself

                        It is useless to cover the column.

                        Quote: yehat2
                        judging by the video, ... there is a video

                        I already told you who you are in this topic. If necessary, repeat (s).
                      4. -3
                        16 March 2022 17: 48
                        Quote: Repellent
                        I already told you who you are

                        you are a ballball judging by what you said.
                        I rolled out a bunch of very specific things, and in response you only joke and not a word on the merits.
                        further communication is not interesting.
                        it's people like you that lead to the fact that we now have weapons in the army like under the king of peas, but "new" as Shoigu said.
                        Let's cast a new tsar cannon, ban the elephants and
                        we will have a new self-propelled guns of a particularly large caliber.
                        that's who you are.
                      5. 0
                        16 March 2022 17: 53
                        Quote: yehat2
                        you are a ballball judging by what you said

                        I said that the "machine" created by your imagination is useless.

                        Quote: yehat2
                        I rolled out a bunch of very specific things

                        You tried very hard to get away from this question, but you did not succeed.

                        Quote: yehat2
                        people like you lead to the fact that we now have weapons in the army like under king peas

                        And yet, you keep throwing, um... shall we say, banana skins.

                        Quote: yehat2
                        you are a ballball

                        Looking for it in the mirror. 100% he is there Yes
                      6. -2
                        17 March 2022 09: 58
                        why are you here? This is a weapons site. There are other forums to raise your HR. You don’t talk about weapons at all, maybe you made a mistake and you should leave this platform?
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  2. +8
    15 March 2022 10: 37
    It is anti-tank missiles, in his opinion, that become the decisive weapon in the conflict.
    - this characterizes the level of "expert". The Javelin has its own advantages, the Cornet has its own, but this war will be won by high-precision weapons and MTR fighters, that is, Russia.
    1. +1
      15 March 2022 10: 47
      Quite right! A weapon in trained (in experienced hands) fighters is a decisive factor in its use, but in the hands of amateurs it will be useless ..... soldier
    2. -2
      16 March 2022 16: 56
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      this war will be won by high-precision weapons and MTR fighters

      they can win the battle, but the war is won by the quartermasters, the headquarters and the ordinary soldiers.
  3. 0
    15 March 2022 10: 43
    And who is this Eastwood - goodbye?
    Well, a thousand of these Eastwoods arrived in Yavorovo - those who survived had to quickly revise their expert concepts, pull on trousers and gas!
  4. +2
    15 March 2022 10: 47
    Noble nonsense ... At least the theater of operations was studied by a pancake analyst.
  5. +2
    15 March 2022 10: 49
    Nothing soon and we will have an analogue of the javelin, or even better. And the tanks will teach you how to fight against the javelin.
  6. +3
    15 March 2022 10: 58
    The shop smells! Not a war of missiles, but a war of people against the Nazi bastards.
  7. +4
    15 March 2022 11: 06
    Well, cunning "Western authors"! They know everything ... only in hindsight! They argue according to the principle: "I will solve someone else's misfortune with my hands ... but I won't help myself"! What can be "added"?
    1. Regarding the fact that the "Cornet" can only be installed on equipment, but not transferred: "Cornet" is also available in a portable version (it is transported "in a car" over a long distance; and on the battlefield it can be transferred from position to position. ..). When the "Cornet" was being developed, a portable short-range version of up to 2,5 km was also created ... But it did not go into production and into the troops ... apparently, they decided that it was "perfect" to do without it!
    2.the Russian army, if it wants to avoid losing tanks and armored vehicles, should move away from the tactics of moving in large and long columns of ground troops, which remain vulnerable to mobile groups of Ukrainian nationalists armed with Javelins or NLAWs.
    And where are the escort helicopters to gather for a large number of "short" columns? How can a small column effectively counter an enemy DRG? And "large and long" columns can be expedient ("effective") with the proper organization of column escort! UAVs can be effective for escorting columns; incl. and as part of columns of control machines (operators)! And another important point ... KAZs (!!!) on military (military) equipment!
    1. +1
      15 March 2022 23: 14
      I studied over 20 years ago. Other textbooks, other unit states, other types of weapons and capabilities. But I remember how Afghan veterans were talking about the MANDATORY of the GRD, side guards and rear outposts. HOW can a long column fall into an ambush with complete air superiority, the presence of UAVs and organized combat guards, where in a battalion column is assigned to a company?
  8. -1
    15 March 2022 11: 08
    I think he is right. The tank is a thing of the past, just like booking ships in its time. The same will happen with manned aircraft. The battlefield is dominated by rockets, artillery and infantry along with drones.
    1. +2
      15 March 2022 11: 26
      The tank is gone

      the tank will not leave if everything is used in combination-
      The battlefield is dominated by rockets, artillery and infantry along with drones.
    2. +3
      15 March 2022 16: 05
      It is necessary to put KAZs on tanks.
      All angles, including the upper sphere.
      Most of the ATGMs and grenades can be intercepted.
  9. +1
    15 March 2022 11: 14
    According to Eastwood, the Ukrainian military is demonstrating impressive success in the fight against Russian armored vehicles, but one should not forget about the tendentiousness of the foreign press:

    The brand needs to be promoted, big money is spinning.
  10. 0
    15 March 2022 11: 17
    Javelin and Kornet can be compared in terms of performance characteristics, but these systems have their own differences that affect the nature and effectiveness of their use in combat conditions
  11. +5
    15 March 2022 11: 18
    Judging by the wrecked equipment, it is being destroyed by aviation and artillery, even when shots are fired from anti-tank systems at a column of armored vehicles in the direction of the shooters, a retaliatory strike is struck and they are destroyed. I wonder how widespread the use of Javelins and similar systems is and how effective they are❓It seems to me that they will not stop the offensive of armored formations.
    1. +3
      15 March 2022 11: 27
      how widespread is the use of Javelins and similar systems and how effective are they❓

      Javelin effectiveness is overrated. The final estimates will be clear after the operation, but even now we can say that the Javelin tank does not always disable.
      Light armored vehicles, yes, it destroys.
    2. +3
      15 March 2022 13: 40
      when shots are fired from anti-tank systems, a retaliatory strike is struck in the direction of the shooters and they are destroyed.

      I do not agree. I watched a video of how Stugna works: the tripod is separately in ambush, the operator is separately in a more protected place. Next, the launch and defeat of, say, a tank with a crew of 3 people. And if a truck or an infantry fighting vehicle?
      Then a second shot from another installation, and so on.
      Return fire on whom? A discovered installation, or an operator in an unknown location?
      I wonder how widespread the use of Javelins and similar systems is and how effective they are❓It seems to me that they will not stop the offensive of armored formations.

      Efficiency can only be assessed by the result, and the result is the cities taken. Here we evaluate ... ((((
  12. 0
    15 March 2022 11: 18
    this is not even a couch expert ....
    I can’t even find the level to which this material can be attributed - exactly below the level of the sofa ..
  13. 0
    15 March 2022 11: 23
    fakers are a serious problem
  14. +1
    15 March 2022 11: 28
    The Cornet is a laser-guided direct-fire weapon like the NLAW, Eastwood points out.
    chivo chivo?
  15. sen
    +1
    15 March 2022 11: 43
    It is anti-tank missiles, in his opinion, that become the decisive weapon in the conflict. Probably, the military-political leaders of the United States and NATO also think, since the main emphasis in military supplies for the needs of the Ukrainian army is placed precisely on anti-tank weapons.

    The news showed the awardees and told for what. The Nazis ambushed the Russian column, but there were "Solntsepeki" in it. They knocked, there was an ambush - there is no ambush with all anti-tank weapons. Against scrap - no reception.
  16. 0
    15 March 2022 11: 59
    In short, this article is about how the Americans are promoting the sale to Ukraine of what is stale in warehouses ... at the prices of "ultra-modern" weapons.
    The topic is this: the United States has it, Russia has it, and Ukraine needs to buy it on credit laughing
    Keep it up ! It is desirable that the debts then be paid by the western regions of Ukraine.
  17. +1
    15 March 2022 13: 29
    , but the fact remains - it is Russia today that is conducting a military operation in Ukraine and taking control of one city after another, and not vice versa.

    And you can clarify the list with an explanation of the military, industrial and political significance of the city. And then there is practically no information, and the names of the villages do not tell me anything (((
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      1. -1
        15 March 2022 18: 23
        Melitopol is not surrounded, but completely under control. The Ukrainian flag was also removed there.
        Do you use CNN information?
        1. 0
          15 March 2022 18: 34
          Melitopol is not surrounded, but completely under control. The Ukrainian flag was also removed there.

          Is the Russian flying already? No RF flag, no full control. The outskirts of the city are not considered for the whole (((and a complete sweep is worth a lot
          1. 0
            15 March 2022 18: 41
            Native! Do not get your hopes up.
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        1. 0
          15 March 2022 18: 43
          No success. But Melitopol is ours! Don't be jealous, dear.