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Advanced units of the LPR army reached the outskirts of Severodonetsk

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The Russian armed forces and units of the Luhansk People's Republic advanced 12 km during the day and reached new frontiers. The 17th day of the special operation on the territory of Ukraine is coming to an end.


The grouping of Russian troops continues to advance on a broad front and by the evening reached new frontiers, taking control of the settlements of Novoandreevka and Kirilovka. At the same time, the advanced units of the LPR reached the outskirts of Severodonetsk, controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the settlements of Molodezhnoye, Vozgorye, as well as the southern and central part of Popasnaya were liberated. On Saturday evening, Russian troops reached the line Novomayorskoye - Pavlovka - Nikolskoye - Vladimirovka - Blagodatnoye.

For a day of fighter aviation and army air defense shot down one Mi-24 helicopter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three drones, including one Bayraktar TB2. At the same time, operational-tactical and army aviation attacked 79 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine, including: four command and control centers and communication centers, two air defense systems, three MLRS, one electronic warfare station, six ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants, and 54 military accumulation sites. technology.


In total, 3 enemy military facilities were destroyed during the operation. As of Saturday evening, the Ministry of Defense cites the following data: 593 destroyed tanks- BMP-BTR, 118 MLRS, 436 field artillery pieces and mortars, 61 helicopters and 126 drones. 973 vehicles were also destroyed.

Meanwhile, the negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations are now taking place in video format, the Russian delegation is still headed by Medinsky. As Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of Zelensky's office, said, "Ukraine's positions are determined by tough previous directives."
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  1. antivirus
    antivirus 12 March 2022 20: 32
    +16
    A little more, a little more .. The last fight is the most difficult one ...
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 March 2022 20: 40
      +10
      Well, soon this part of the boiler will come to an end. It would be nice to do this with small losses, the best option for the airmen is to surrender.
      1. Borik
        Borik 12 March 2022 20: 48
        +7
        A little more, a little more .. The last fight is the most difficult one ..

        This is not the last fight yet. But he will definitely be.
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 13 March 2022 14: 08
        0
        The best will shoot.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 20: 50
      -26
      Quote: antivirus
      A little more, a little more .. The last fight is the most difficult one ...

      Well, then you. The war is just beginning.

      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 12 March 2022 21: 02
        +18
        Where do you see the war? Who announced it? It's just that the RF Armed Forces are completing the nuclear operation.
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      2. Flooding
        Flooding 12 March 2022 21: 03
        +6
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The war is just starting

        it's like an eternal argument between an optimist and a pessimist
        by the end of March, at least 40% of the territory will be under control
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 13
          -19
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The war is just starting

          it's like an eternal argument between an optimist and a pessimist
          by the end of March, at least 40% of the territory will be under control

          It may very well be. I remember on the first day of the war, it was expected to end in 72 hours.
          1. LanceUppercut
            LanceUppercut 13 March 2022 00: 28
            +11
            Who exactly was "expecting"?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 March 2022 01: 14
              +11
              Quote from LanceUppercut
              Who exactly was "expecting"?

              Countrymen Zelensky.
          2. HUNTERDON
            HUNTERDON 13 March 2022 00: 40
            +4
            you're lying
            add to what has been said - you're lying
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty 12 March 2022 21: 08
        +9
        The Aronmas are not Yankees, we don’t bomb cities, and in general, if they don’t shoot at us, the troops go by!
        1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 March 2022 01: 53
          +1
          Quote: Thrifty
          We don’t bomb the cities, get out in general, if they don’t shoot at us, the troops go by!

          1. this is why our soldiers die more than they could
          2. and then they shoot us in the back...
          what nonsense...
          1. Kaufman
            Kaufman 13 March 2022 07: 46
            +2
            no. not stupidity. When the smoke clears then even the doubters and opponents will see the truth. The Russian army does not bomb the civilian population, does not use human shields.
            but the fighters must be saved - I agree here
            1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
              KIND LAVRENTIUS 17 March 2022 09: 10
              0
              Quote: kaufman
              The Russian army does not bomb civilians

              it's not that peaceful...
      4. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 12 March 2022 21: 08
        +20
        The correct map.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 14
          -32
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          The correct map.

          I do not agree.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 12 March 2022 21: 15
            +14
            Prove that you don't agree.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 23
              -16
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Prove that you don't agree.

              RA has a wild shortage of infantry. Your serious superiority in aviation, armored vehicles and artillery and the lack of infantry put your army on the tracks like beads on a string. The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications. At the same time, your command does not want to enter large cities, where infantry saturated with anti-tank weapons pose a serious threat to armored vehicles, and artillery and aircraft cannot accurately support their ground forces. This problem has not been solved since WWII.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 12 March 2022 21: 27
                +11
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                RA has a wild shortage of infantry

                And why did you decide so?

                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications

                Read - "roaming around the territory on foot (without vehicles) DRG and Teroborontsy". Moreover, they rummage exactly until they are nailed there.

                Dear, you are nothing have not been proven. And from the fact that you repeated "halvah" a hundred times, it does not get hot or cold ...
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 30
                  -8
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  RA has a wild shortage of infantry

                  And why did you decide so?

                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications

                  Read - "pedestrian DRGs and Teroboronets are roaming around the territory." And they rummage around until they are nailed.

                  Dear, you are nothing have not been proven. And from the fact that you repeated "halvah" a hundred times, it does not get hot or cold ...

                  The best examiner for our dispute will be the result on the ground.
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 12 March 2022 21: 47
                    +12
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    The best examiner for our dispute will be the result on the ground

                    About the "result on the ground" is understandable and a no brainer.

                    You diligently leave the normal evidentiary discussion, limiting yourself to attacks on the fan. What brings bad thoughts what laughing
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 22: 02
                      -12
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      The best examiner for our dispute will be the result on the ground

                      About the "result on the ground" is understandable and a no brainer.

                      You diligently leave the normal evidentiary discussion, limiting yourself to attacks on the fan. What brings bad thoughts what laughing

                      So how can you argue if you don't say anything?
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 March 2022 22: 15
                        +11
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        So how can you argue if you don't say anything?

                        Dear, do not switch to your national theme laughing

                        You made the statement: "there is a catastrophic shortage of infantry." I ask at least something other than your words to confirm this statement.

                        The burden of proof lies with the claimant (c). If you can’t prove it, remove the thesis and don’t shine ...
                      2. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 22: 25
                        -12
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        So how can you argue if you don't say anything?

                        Dear, do not switch to your national theme laughing

                        You made the statement: "there is a catastrophic shortage of infantry." I ask at least something other than your words to confirm this statement.

                        The burden of proof lies with the claimant (c). If you can’t prove it, remove the thesis and don’t shine ...

                        As you understand, I don’t have numbers from the General Staff of the Russian Federation, but I can’t explain the actions of your aircraft in any other way.
                      3. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 March 2022 22: 39
                        +9
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I have there are no numbers from the General Staff of the Russian Federation, but there is nothing else to explain the actions of your aircraft я I can not

                        Well, that's what they would say your personal opinion. Agree, "in my opinion, there is a shortage of infantry" and "catastrophically not enough infantry" - these are two big differences.

                        What supports your opinion? Are you a military analyst, do you have the appropriate education?
                      4. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 22: 51
                        -9
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I have there are no numbers from the General Staff of the Russian Federation, but there is nothing else to explain the actions of your aircraft я I can not

                        Well, that's what they would say your personal opinion. Agree, "in my opinion, there is a shortage of infantry" and "catastrophically not enough infantry" - these are two big differences.

                        What supports your opinion? Are you a military analyst, do you have the appropriate education?

                        Agree. Next time I will write like this.
                        Well, what are you. I'm just curious.
                      5. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 March 2022 23: 00
                        +10
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Agree. Next time I will write

                        If you don't mind. Given your skepticism about what is happening in Ukraine, I think it would be more correct.
                      6. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 13 March 2022 02: 38
                        +5

                        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
                        Yesterday, 22: 25 As you understand, I do not have numbers from the General Staff of the Russian Federation , but I can’t explain the actions of your aircraft in any other way.
                        those. stupid lie. What do you yourself, and confessed.
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                  2. sleeve
                    sleeve 13 March 2022 04: 38
                    +2
                    To talk about the "examiner" you need to know the introductory. And here we are playing a guessing game, so that later we can say "I told you" or "could do better." It's just to talk, but nothing about the case. You, obviously, do not quite understand what is driving the troops and command now. Why they do not enter the cities, how clever Ukrainian commanders manage to "save" quite significant groupings of troops, and why the most furious swearing in the headquarters causes the withdrawal of Ukrainian refugees to Ukrainian territory. Such "heroic behavior" of the enemy was truly a surprise. As for the lack of infantry, as I understand it, do you definitely have data on the number and composition of the Russian forces in Ukraine? Or "analyze" the picture? Tens of thousands of vushniks are closed in boilers. Naturally, there will be attempts to seep to the west. The rear of the troops is being compacted by the National Guard, you, as an analyst of pictures and news, should be aware of events. So everything is according to plan. Regardless of the diversion of forces to the blockade of cities, the operation is underway and will be completed.
                2. private person
                  private person 12 March 2022 21: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  RA has a wild shortage of infantry

                  And why did you decide so?

                  And what is there to decide the circumcised truth says, we have not enough infantry since different banderlogs climb in our rear and attack support columns.
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 12 March 2022 21: 56
                    +12
                    Quote: private person
                    we don’t have enough infantry since different banderlogs climb in our rear and attack support columns

                    Where was it different? Give an example, please?

                    The columns must be escorted, reconnaissance must work, including in the rear, something like "counter-DRG" ... or do you propose to sow all the fields with infantry? So it's just not so much in nature request
                    1. private person
                      private person 12 March 2022 22: 29
                      +1
                      reconnaissance should work, including in the rear, something like "counter-DRG" ... or do you propose to sow all the fields with infantry?

                      So the infantry is figuratively you yourself said that the columns must be guarded and cleared of the rear. Here the question is the lack of personnel who should clean up the occupied territories and accompany the columns.
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 March 2022 22: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: private person
                        the question is the lack of personnel who should clean up the occupied territories and accompany the columns

                        Excuse me, but how do you know this? How can this be confirmed? Just don’t refer to our Jew, please, he himself can’t substantiate this in any way ...

                        By the way, do not "clean up". I would say - to intercept and extinguish actively resisting. Clean up the mess there for now.
                    2. Konnick
                      Konnick 13 March 2022 07: 44
                      0
                      The columns must be escorted, reconnaissance must work, including in the rear, something like "counter-DRG" ... or do you propose to sow all the fields with infantry? So it's just not so much in nature

                      We must be a little more Jewish, since our Israeli friend is participating in the discussion. Those. in the fight against the DRG, use the tactics of "decoy ducks", an ambush on the contrary, such as a column without guards, but under the awnings of KamAZ vehicles, instead of cargo, a surprise ...
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                3. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 13 March 2022 01: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Repellent
                  And why did you decide so?

                  Well, of course, Zelensky is being beaten.
                4. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 March 2022 01: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Dear, you haven't proven anything yet. And from the fact that you repeated "halvah" a hundred times, it does not get hot or cold ...

                  It seems to me that you are arguing with the obvious things!!!
                  the RF Armed Forces introduced about 150 thousand. people ... against 250 thousand. motivated fighters on the defensive.
                  it is obvious that the offensive has run out of steam and is turning into positional battles.
                  after another 2 weeks of fighting, personnel rotation will be required ... but will they be?
                  according to the DRG - they move in civilian cars (2-3), identify the positions of our troops and attack them.
                  ps
                  I consider it a great success for our Armed Forces if we take the left bank by June, I think we won’t take Kyiv, Nikolaev and Odessa are in question.
                5. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 13 March 2022 02: 40
                  +1
                  Repellent (R)
                  Yesterday, 21: 27
                  NEW

                  +5
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  RA has a wild shortage of infantry

                  And why did you decide so?

                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications

                  Read - "pedestrian (without equipment) DRG and Teroboronets are roaming around the territory." And they rummage exactly until they are prizhuchit there.

                  Dear, you haven't proven anything yet. And from the fact that you repeated "halvah" a hundred times, it does not get hot or cold ...
                  He doesn't need to "prove" anything. There is a normal casting on the fan.
              2. sergo1914
                sergo1914 12 March 2022 21: 31
                +7
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                Prove that you don't agree.

                RA has a wild shortage of infantry. Your serious superiority in aviation, armored vehicles and artillery and the lack of infantry put your army on the tracks like beads on a string. The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications. At the same time, your command does not want to enter large cities, where infantry saturated with anti-tank weapons pose a serious threat to armored vehicles, and artillery and aircraft cannot accurately support their ground forces. This problem has not been solved since WWII.


                I understand the Israel Defense Forces is ready to make a business proposal?
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 35
                  -3
                  Quote: sergo1914


                  I understand the Israel Defense Forces is ready to make a business proposal?

                  Hardly. But it's definitely being monitored very seriously. It is not often that there are such large military conflicts.
                  1. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 12 March 2022 21: 39
                    +5
                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    Quote: sergo1914


                    I understand the Israel Defense Forces is ready to make a business proposal?

                    Hardly. But it's definitely being monitored very seriously. It is not often that there are such large military conflicts.


                    Can you help? Fraternal Russian people?
                  2. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    But no doubt

                    Officially recognized. The IDF monitors the database in Ukraine by all available methods and carefully analyzes the actions of the parties, records successful decisions and remembers mistakes.
              3. neland
                neland 12 March 2022 22: 04
                0
                Why did you decide that Russia needs all of Ukraine? To later support this "crazy" herd!? The demilitarization of Ukraine is ending. chances for the Novorossiya project!
              4. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 12 March 2022 23: 27
                +2
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                RA has a wild shortage of infantry.

                Wild people throw pipes at you on holidays, yeah. yes laughing
                Are you really not ashamed of the frank game that you shove here every day?! After all, the reputation of holy fools has already firmly entrenched behind the two of you in recent weeks, because an adequate person will not push such a hat on serious cabbage soup. If, however, a blatant intent is suddenly revealed (which is also quite likely), then even more so do not be offended by buckets of slop from a respectable audience, and be prepared for permanently wiping your feet on your lapserdaks. Everything. am
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 13 March 2022 02: 43
                  +1

                  Paranoid50 (Alexander)
                  Yesterday, 23: 27
                  NEW

                  +1
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  RA has a wild shortage of infantry.

                  Wild people throw pipes at you on holidays, yeah. yes laughing
                  Are you really not ashamed of the frank game that you shove here every day?! After all, the reputation of holy fools has already firmly entrenched behind the two of you in recent weeks, because an adequate person will not push such a hat on serious cabbage soup. If, however, a blatant intent is suddenly revealed (which is also quite likely), then even more so do not be offended by buckets of slop from a respectable audience, and be prepared for permanently wiping your feet on your lapserdaks. Everything. am
                  harvest from one field! It's an honor for him to pour more and thicker on the Russian Federation wink
              5. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 March 2022 01: 59
                -2
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                This problem has not been solved since WWII.

                Dresden showed how to solve these problems ... but these are not our methods !!!!
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                RA has a wild shortage of infantry.

                forced to agree
                ps
                It is quite difficult for me to understand the intention of the General Staff ...
              6. Or me
                Or me 13 March 2022 03: 15
                0

                Aron Zaawi (Aron)
                Yesterday, 21: 23
                NEW

                -7
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                Prove that you don't agree.

                HURRAH ..
                Would you like to explain the abbreviation? As far as I know, Russia has Вarmed Сsilts - sun.
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        2. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 12 March 2022 21: 43
          +4
          I wish this map was more correct. But it’s not clear: how, according to this map, to explain that the pilot of our plane shot down in the Chernigov region was taken prisoner?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 March 2022 22: 10
            +3
            Probably the fact that Chernigov is surrounded, but no one stormed it.
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 13 March 2022 09: 28
              0
              Such an environment is good if the surrounded ones can capture the pilot of the downed aircraft, and the units carrying out the blockade cannot save him. Or was this plane shot down over the center of Chernigov, then the question arises - do we have only free-falling bombs from ammunition? Or there the size of the "cauldron" - to most of the Chernihiv region.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 39
            -2
            Quote: UAZ 452
            I wish this map was more correct. But it’s not clear: how, according to this map, to explain that the pilot of our plane shot down in the Chernigov region was taken prisoner?

            Looks like an interaction problem. For good, during the OBD in the air, a rescue team for downed pilots should be on duty on the ground. Which should be in the air 30 seconds after the ejection message.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 12 March 2022 23: 27
          -2
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          The correct map.

          And where are the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that were preparing to strike at Belarus? So they sit in ambush?
      5. usr01
        usr01 12 March 2022 21: 09
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The war is just starting

        Unfortunately you are right.....
        And where can I get the originals (in normal resolution) of the given maps, otherwise you can’t see a damn thing ... that picture ...
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 31
          -8
          Quote: usr01
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The war is just starting

          Unfortunately you are right.....
          And where can I get the originals (in normal resolution) of the given maps, otherwise you can’t see a damn thing ... that picture ...

          Unfortunately, they sent it like this.
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      7. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 12 March 2022 21: 23
        -9
        Jew, do not worry by May we will win
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 21: 26
          +9
          Quote: Ryaruav
          Jew, do not worry by May we will win

          The transition to nationality, age and physical disabilities speaks only of the cultural insufficiency of the opponent.
          1. Alexey Lobanov
            Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 21
            +6
            Campaign, the guy hit three points at once ... laughing
            1. Alexey Lobanov
              Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 03
              +2
              and if you count - "by May" - at four. laughing laughing laughing
      8. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 20
        +5
        Interestingly, after the completion of the cleansing of Dnepropetrovsk, how much will remain on the site of "Israeli" "experts"? bully I doubt that kalomoy took them with him ...
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 44
          -1
          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          Interestingly, after the completion of the cleansing of Dnepropetrovsk, how much will remain on the site of "Israeli" "experts"?

          They sang the same songs about Georgia. laughing
          Alas and ah, but the Israelis write from Israel. wink
      9. Pytnik
        Pytnik 12 March 2022 23: 29
        +7
        And what is the business of Israel, what are we doing in Ukraine? And then they write that the Mossad fixes a large grouping of Russian troops near Brest, they sheltered the rotten Urgant, and this scum immediately began to post anti-Russian statements in their cart, in vain V. Putin is talking to yours ... It's time to allow the Syrians S - 300 use as intended
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 23: 37
          -5
          Well, you are interested in the affairs of Israel, so why don't we take an interest in yours?
        2. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 10
          +1
          You do not confuse the interests of Israel next to Israel and in Belarus ... Syria (and us) never needs a war with Israel, let there be peace already! And the Urgant will return and continue to lead his stupid program, but with more patriotism ...
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 52
          -4
          Quote: Pytnik
          And what is the business of Israel, what are we doing in Ukraine?

          A military secret.

          Quote: Pytnik
          And then they write that the Mossad fixes a large grouping of Russian troops near Brest

          Where do they write? Provide a link to the source.

          Quote: Pytnik
          in vain V. Putin is talking to yours ...

          Call him and tell him off, your opinion is incredibly important to him.

          Quote: Pytnik
          It's time to allow the Syrians to use the S-300 for its intended purpose

          Well, of course, Syrians still give birth, right?
      10. 22 dmdc
        22 dmdc 13 March 2022 04: 18
        +2
        The outskirts of the Russian Federation did not declare war either, otherwise the pumping of Russian gas would stop, etc., etc.
    3. Maz
      Maz 12 March 2022 20: 58
      +7
      There, the headquarters of the group and the leadership of the ukrooblast occupied by the ukroreich, deprive them of their leadership and they will fall in all directions
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 54
        -8
        Quote: Maz
        ukroreich

        Aren't you so ashamed of your homeland, and even for shekels? wink
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 13 March 2022 02: 47
          +2

          And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
          Today, 01: 54
          NEW

          -1
          Quote: Maz
          ukroreich

          Aren't you so ashamed of your homeland, and even for shekels? wink
          Taki where, you have a problem with shekels, but the issued matzah has already set your teeth on edge? tongue
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 13 March 2022 02: 53
            -6
            Quote: aszzz888
            you have a problem with shekels

            Everything is great with shekels.
            So can you tell me under what patronage you are not banned for violating the rules of the site?
            How is it that you regularly troll people, are rude, inflame and provocateur, and you at least henna? Share a secret. fellow
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 13 March 2022 03: 19
              +4

              And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
              Today, 02: 53


              And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
              Today, 01: 54

              -1
              Quote: Maz
              ukroreich

              Aren't you so ashamed of your homeland, and even for shekels? wink


              Enough? saint))! laughing Remind me of Syria? Our downed Il, the dances of your fellow tribesmen on the bones of the dead guys? Guess for what Are you respected here? angry
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 13 March 2022 05: 09
                -3
                Quote: aszzz888
                Is it enough?

                What's the problem? Maz is a Ukrainian living on an Israeli allowance.

                Quote: aszzz888
                Remind me of Syria?

                And why are you immediately off topic? Demagogue.
                It's better to tell the whole forum under what patronage you are not banned for violating the rules of the site?
                How is it that you regularly troll people, are rude, incite and provocateur, but the consequences are zero? Why are the site rules not written to you? Are you exceptional? fellow
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 12 March 2022 22: 40
      +3
      Quote: antivirus
      A little more, a little more...

      I am interested in one question - will the nerves of our command give up. To be honest, against the backdrop of hysteria in official Ukraine, against the backdrop of the madness of the West, I would have freaked out and announced as loudly as possible: "Civilians! You are being used as a shield. You have a week to escape, or to disarm the Armed Forces of Ukraine, your "defenders". After that, there will be hell."

      We are not the first time to restore Ukraine. After THAT war, the whole country worked for Ukraine. Will the civilians die? And show me a war where they don't die? It would be fine, I sat out at the military department. He himself served in the "warmest" point of the globe in the 80s, in the most combat-ready troops, in a unit whose only privilege, remembering Vasily Filippovich drinks , is
      that, in the event of aggression, he will be the first to be thrown into the jaws of the aggressor. In order to break this mouth.

      And so I saw everything and "peace", torn to pieces, do not surprise me.

      Give time. A week in the ring. And then there are the ruins...
      And let the "world community" after Iraq, Libya, Serbia and Yugoslavia at least blather something.

      Although ... vyaknut necessarily. Let them blather. We are already used to it. And the "hellish" sanctions have already been introduced - Instagram has been disabled crying We will endure everything and we are ready for anything. Because "we'll go to heaven, and they'll just die."

      As for me, I do not want paradise, but the Land of the Eternal Hunt. lol

      But our Supreme's nerves, apparently, are stronger than mine. Therefore, I served where I served, and he was in the KGB. And they don't take psychos like me there. And there will be no such announcement, and, moreover, no action.
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 24
        +2
        The main question in this situation is whether the raguli will hide the equipment behind schools and maternity hospitals and behind civilians in Dnepropetrovsk and Lvov? Here we'll see...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 12 March 2022 23: 28
          0
          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          The main issue in this situation is will raguli hide equipment behind schools and maternity hospitals and behind peaceful in Dnepropetrovsk and Lvov? Here we'll see...

          If yes, if only ... If, God forbid, I would be the Supreme - after seven days it wouldn't matter. And the one who believes in God will confirm the sin for the "peaceful" - he would be ON THEM ..
          1. Alexey Lobanov
            Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 46
            0
            Do you doubt that they will, or do you doubt that they will have to? And I believe that it is these two cities that will show the whole essence of the two branches of the former Banderia government.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 March 2022 00: 04
              +1
              Quote: Alexey Lobanov
              Do you doubt that they will, or do you doubt that they will have to?

              I have no doubt that they will hide behind the "peace" - the same nonhumans. I doubt our ultimatum in my words. And I doubt that then the same Kyiv will be smashed to dust, mixed with rockets. What the West wanted.
              He achieved half of his goal - he pitted us against Ukraine. There will be no second half, so that it would be the second Afghan for 10 years.
              These are their "manuals" in which everything is written and which they have been using for decades. And we have a historical memory. Which once and for all.

              Maybe right... Maybe. I, in fact, returned from the war with my head not under my arm, but where it should be, but it is already working a little “rolled up”, turned to the left side of the sternum, where the awards of the Motherland are ... Those are not my awards . These are the awards of those boys who have remained THERE forever. Their skins in zinc were taken to the Union, and they were THERE.
              That’s why it’s impossible, probably, the way I do.

              And I would announce. Seven days. Next is AD.

              Mirnyak will understand and assess the risks. As practice has shown, with due desire, armored personnel carriers were turned over with their bare hands. They want to come out.
              1. Alexey Lobanov
                Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 19
                -1
                It jars me from the word "peace", but this does not apply to raguli (to their peacekeepers) ... There, morality remained in Valyn.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 March 2022 01: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey Lobanov
                  Jars me from the word "peace"

                  This word is not new. It is several decades old and it was not used by us, who are "on the ground", but by "Grads". It was interesting for them to know whether they were hitting the "peace" or the "spirits" - they asked us, we sent them to the address .. Me too, the "intelligentsia", fuck them ... But we didn't have a "peace" at the mopping up. At any moment from any corner from anyone - a child, a woman, an old woman - could fly.
                  Rustle - turn.
                  We were taught that way.
                  And then let the UN figure out who is "peaceful", who is the "aggressor", who is the "fighter for the Square".
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 13 March 2022 01: 58
          -4
          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          The main question in this situation is whether the raguli will hide the equipment behind schools and maternity hospitals and behind peaceful

          They are already doing it, as if they were probationers in Gaza. And fake videos with "corpses" coming to life, just like they rivet from Hamas. bully
    5. Maz
      Maz 13 March 2022 02: 42
      +3
      The map is good, you can see everything
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 March 2022 20: 40
    +3
    And why doesn’t Ukraine declare war on us? It pretends to be Terpils. Do they have an embassy in Moscow?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 March 2022 20: 43
      -9
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And why doesn’t Ukraine declare war on us? It pretends to be Terpils. Do they have an embassy in Moscow?

      No. Diplomatic relations are severed.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 12 March 2022 21: 01
        +4
        And what prevents Ukraine from declaring war on us, piss? So we have a special operation.
    2. polpot
      polpot 12 March 2022 20: 48
      +9
      If a force majeure on gas transit is declared a war, it will happen through the fault of Ukraine, they really do not want this.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 March 2022 23: 07
        +2
        Quote: polpot
        If a force majeure on gas transit is declared at war, it will happen through the fault of Ukraine

        And imagine - tomorrow the Nazis undermine the gas pipeline.

        Who is guilty? NATURALLY how to breathe - Russia. Europe is left without half (or how much there is - too lazy to look for numbers) of gas. Who is to blame - Putin.
        Well, in the West they will not be to blame for everything, the West will blame everything on us. We took place in Georgia - we remember the lesson. And they?

        Again, we have nothing to fear. In Europe, we are already even less deprived of rights than the Jews in the 30s and 40s (with all due respect to the Holocaust, a new, more cruel one has now begun. Only our nuclear triad does not allow us to burn in furnaces). All sanctions have already been introduced, we have already been accused of all the world's evil - and after that we will fill them in April????? am
        War cancels any treaties.
        Let the Japanese be asked - who said and when.
        We don’t need to blow up anything - this is Natsik entertainment. Just close the valve.

        On June 22, 1941, the Germans were already bombing Kyiv, and trains with our grain were moving across Poland to Germany. On the 24th of June they did not go any more. SO WHY ARE WE HEATING THE ENEMY NOW?
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 28
          +3
          That rare case when we can drive a geyropa into the stone (coal) age with a simple shot from an RPG, and blame everything on drugs, well, or Nazi Kalomoi ... bully
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 12 March 2022 23: 52
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Lobanov
            That rare case when we can drive a geyropa into the stone (coal) age with a simple shot from an RPG, and blame everything on drugs, well, or Nazi Kalomoi ... bully

            Only this is in the traditions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - to commit a terrorist attack and then, since the water in the seat does not hold, to brag about it to the whole world.

            And we won't tell anyone. drinks As Major Zurabov taught me in training -
            You approach quietly, like a gyurza, you sting deadly and no one knows where you disappear.
            Of course, I would be glad to share some experience. Yes, you see, the family, the company is on me ... Yes, I got into an accident last year - another six months to return to normal. To run, pool, weight room, tatami - everything, as usual. But, I hope, there are enough instructors even without me. Too bad my father is no more. He, with experience of war on all continents except Australia and Antarctica, could give a lot of things ... He would definitely come in handy.
        2. bad_arcade
          bad_arcade 13 March 2022 05: 17
          -3
          in 1941 the monetary system and the whole world in general was completely different

          Leaving aside your statements about mostly imaginary grievances, the answer to it is very simple - do you want the dollar to be twice as expensive tomorrow? and this is not the limit
          what about importing medicines, etc.? now trade is maintained even when there is an economic war, for mutual benefit

          Well, in general, the heating season is almost over, they may freeze a little, but here we are ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 13 March 2022 07: 56
            0
            Quote from: bad_arcade
            Leaving aside your statements about mostly imaginary grievances, the answer to it is very simple - Do you want a dollar twice as expensive tomorrow? and this is not the limit

            Can't you imagine the world economy without the dollar? Yes, I don't care. Herr. Hans, how much will the dollar cost tomorrow. I live HERE, my company works HERE for rubles. FUCK HERRA to me Your dollar and the quote of this paper on any speculative platform?
            Let the Fed have it, NOTHING but an honest American word (HAHA laughing laughing laughing) puts unsecured paper to himself where they, fools, give birth. Not where normal women give birth, but exactly where they come from. And let them shove flat.

            Live on dollars - you will be happy. In California, gasoline is already 5.79 per gallon. A year ago it was half the price. Live on Drllary. And I, somehow, with an "economy torn to shreds", for rubles.
            Quote from: bad_arcade
            Well, in general, the heating season is almost over, they may freeze a little, but here we are ...
            And you forgot that April is the time for pumping gas into their UG {& This is what they will use to heat themselves next winter.
            And 3-4 dollars per cubic meter of gas is far from the limit.

            I heat the cottage with gas. The bath is good, the pool is small, 25 meters, covered. Everything is gas. I have not seen bills of 6 euros for gas. And I won't see. And Europe and you with the dollar - happiness. I always wish you happiness, looking through the scope of the SVD.
            1. bad_arcade
              bad_arcade 13 March 2022 11: 09
              -1
              the fact is that, and this, by the way, is taught in school, in the second half of the twentieth century there was a departure from the gold standard, now the price of a currency is provided by its exchange rate for other currencies without being converted into gold or something else
              the dollar is just one of them, but very popular, only when the exchange rate changes, it changes for everyone, now the ruble has sunk by 30 percent even against the hryvnia, which has hardly weakened
              currency is needed to buy something abroad
              At the same time, a significant part of what is produced in Russia has imported components, requires imported machine tools, and a lot of things are not produced at all, so the exchange rate in any case causes an increase in prices, including a general increase in prices, while the increase in wages will not keep up with it due to for the general decline in the economy, and with the ban on imports, it is generally doubtful that there will be an increase in salary, now factories are standing up and enterprises are closing
              soon people in russia will earn less than in cambodia
              and if your company provides services to the population, it will see that the population has no money for services
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 13 March 2022 11: 29
                0
                Quote from: bad_arcade
                in the second half of the twentieth century there was a departure from the gold standard, now the price of a currency is provided by its exchange rate for other currencies without conversion into gold or something else

                Please don't explain to me the Bretton Woods and Jamaican systems.

                It is better to take a closer look at how and in whose favor it works.
                1. bad_arcade
                  bad_arcade 13 March 2022 12: 17
                  -2
                  clearly beneficial to those with whom they most want to trade and in whom they want to invest

                  you know, it's the same as deciding that you will determine the fastest person by running a race and then become indignant that someone turns out to be running faster, so here, only the wealth and involvement in the country's international trade is determined, and in the case of running and in in the case of exchange rates, the determination is relative to other participants

                  well, from a purely practical point of view, these are the rules, you have to play by them if you don’t have the strength to change them, while Russia is not trying and cannot do anything to change them, and the very idea of ​​​​minting a gold ruble is ridiculous, especially its no one would buy, even if such a trick was done before the war ... but it wouldn’t make sense anyway, I remember there were rumors that Gaddafi was killed for the dream of a gold coin, yeah, what would he do with it ? his money would cost inside the country at the price of gold, well, ideally, rather less, and Libya would have less leverage for monetary policy, during a crisis, if you keep the price of a coin, it would just be a drop in salary instead of depreciation of money, in foreign trade everyone would like dollars
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 13 March 2022 15: 34
                    0
                    Quote from: bad_arcade
                    in whom they want to invest

                    You don't need to invest in us.

                    We survived the 90s with all THEIR investments.
                    Now without green paper, which costs less than what is written on it, we will definitely live.
    3. Prjanik
      Prjanik 12 March 2022 20: 49
      +9
      Why doesn't Ukraine declare war on us?
      Lenders don't say
    4. Veteran
      Veteran 12 March 2022 20: 50
      +7
      The EU does not allow. If Ukraine declares war on us, then Gazprom will have the legal right to stop the pumping of gas through its territory to Europe.
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    6. Sailor
      Sailor 12 March 2022 23: 33
      0
      And what prevents Ukraine from declaring war on us, piss? So we have a special operation. - There is a version that there is no reason to break the gas transit contract.
  3. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 12 March 2022 20: 45
    +8
    If you play by capitalist rules, then I see several goals for coming to Ukraine:
    1) Eliminate the threat
    2) Control over resources and the gas and oil transportation system
    3) Control on the territory (geography) - no matter in what form, as part of the Russian Federation or in the form of a union controlled state
    We received the sanctions, as if we had already fulfilled all three points. I see no reason to do otherwise, because if you don’t go to the end, then why all this crap?
    1. Glagol1
      Glagol1 12 March 2022 21: 20
      -19
      Ukraine's gas transmission system will soon cost zero. Europe will refuse our gas and all pipes, SP-1, Yamal, Krajina will turn into scrap metal. There will be a branch of the Turkish Stream 14 billion to the south of Europe and that's it. Come on guys...
      1. Nikolay1987
        Nikolay1987 12 March 2022 21: 27
        +2
        Europe will refuse our gas and all pipes, SP-1, Yamal, Krajina will turn into scrap metal

        Until she refused, and this is the most important thing, and what will happen later is a secondary matter, which also definitely needs to be thought about, and I think the Power of Siberia and the Power of Siberia 2 are just the same, secondary + increase in demand within the country due to lower fuel prices .
        1. bad_arcade
          bad_arcade 13 March 2022 05: 10
          -2
          and it seems to me that this will be a matter of paramount importance

          Europe, of course, will not give up gas immediately and quickly, well, if the situation does not deteriorate at all, but it is determined to reduce the demand for our gas, and there is something to replace it, not now, but on the horizon of 5-10 years, as a result, it will remain to pump to China and sooner for nothing

          By the way, who cares, but I feel very sorry for sp-2, which now most likely will never work, even if Russia suddenly ends the war today and starts paying reparations
      2. Repellent
        Repellent 12 March 2022 21: 37
        +6
        Quote: Glagol1
        Ukraine's gas transportation system will soon be worth zero. Europe will give up our gasand all pipes, SP-1, Yamal, Krajina will turn into scrap metal

        This "soon", according to the Europeans themselves, may happen to 2027th year. Or maybe later...

        Quote: Glagol1
        There will be a branch of the Turkish Stream 14 billion to the south of Europe and that's all

        The power of Siberia is already at work. By the time Europe is ready to give up "our gas", Power of Siberia-2 will also start working.

        Quote: Glagol1
        Come on guys...

        And don't even dream.
      3. nuggets
        nuggets 12 March 2022 21: 57
        +3
        Soon (c) Somewhere I have already heard it. In 2014, like...
        1. bad_arcade
          bad_arcade 13 March 2022 05: 06
          -1
          in 2014 we were essentially forgiven Crimea
          sanctions compared to the current ones were like a scratch, the currency fell mainly due to the exodus of investors from the now risky economy
          now Russia is under unprecedented sanctions and now it will come true (already coming true) much of what they used to scare then
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 March 2022 22: 11
        0
        And how soon will Europe replace our gas, nuclear fuel, coal and oil?
    2. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 32
      +1
      now "Israeli" experts will fly in and prove to you that it will be geopolitically unprofitable for us ... wassat
  4. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 12 March 2022 20: 45
    +6
    Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin
    "Slanderers of Russia"
    ----
    What are you noisy about, folk-like?
    Why anathema threaten you Russia?
    What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
    Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
    Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
    A question that you will not solve.

    For a long time among themselves
    These tribes are at war;
    More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
    Theirs, then our side.
    Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
    Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
    Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
    Will it run dry? here is the question.

    Leave us: you have not read
    These bloody tablets;
    It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
    This is a family feud;
    The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
    Pointlessly seduces you
    Fights of desperate courage -
    And you hate us ...

    For what? answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..

    You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Il Russian weaned from victories?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will not the Russian land rise? ..
    So send us to us, Vitia,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.
  5. host
    host 12 March 2022 20: 45
    -2
    In the meantime, Donetsk was shelled again, ten employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the DPR in the hospital, one heavy.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 12 March 2022 21: 52
      +4
      It seems that for 8 years of confrontation no one there has learned counter-battery combat. How does the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to open fire (more than once) in the conditions of the total (according to the press releases of the General Staff) domination of our aviation?
      1. host
        host 12 March 2022 22: 22
        -4
        Quote: UAZ 452
        It seems that for 8 years of confrontation no one there has learned counter-battery combat. How does the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to open fire (more than once) in the conditions of the total (according to the press releases of the General Staff) domination of our aviation?
        hi
        I will assume that the positions (separate firing points) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the national battalions are in close proximity to the huts of civilians, and these are the residents of Donbass whom we are liberating.
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 13 March 2022 09: 23
          +1
          If the army is ready to capitulate, because the enemy is hiding behind the civilian population, then why is such an army needed? These firing points were located in settlements for 8 years, did someone think that with the start of the special operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions would urgently take them out into the open field?
          1. host
            host 13 March 2022 09: 36
            -1
            Quote: UAZ 452
            If the army is ready to capitulate, because the enemy is hiding behind the civilian population, then why is such an army needed? These firing points were located in settlements for 8 years, did someone think that with the start of the special operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions would urgently take them out into the open field?

            What does the surrender of our army or NM LDNR have to do with it? And as for the firing points in the "immediate vicinity", watch the video of the liberated settlements on Voyen. Convoy in the Cart - in the basement are civilians and on the first floor there are firing positions of ukrovoyak with corpses.
      2. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 35
        +1
        Believe me, if it were in the Lviv region, the shooting would quickly stop by disposing of the shooters. We'll see again...
  6. bad_arcade
    bad_arcade 12 March 2022 20: 51
    -11
    I hope they don't ban me if I say that I don't understand how Russia is going to win at all. I mean that from a military point of view, everything is probably ok, even if the grouping was clearly not designed for a protracted war, at first it got a little on the ears for capping (everyone laughs at it in the West for this, by the way) and, in theory, it should probably be where more, but Ukraine has clearly rested tightly in the negotiations and hopes for the effect of sanctions and defense, while realistically, Russia probably does not have the opportunity to take control of Ukraine without declaring mobilization, and even if it does take control, it will not lead to anything except the government of Ukraine in exile , to keep the same control will not work for at least a long time with all the desire. but here I have more question - how to actually take it under control? well, they will cope with the grouping in the Donbass, they will take Mariupol, maybe Nikolaev and Kharkov, but how to take Kyiv? I really don’t understand, the calculation was clearly that Ukraine would develop and surrender in the first days, and now Russia is in the position of the Schwartz “there has been a war for ten minutes, why doesn’t this Lancelot surrender?”
    1. host
      host 12 March 2022 21: 20
      -2
      I hope I don't get banned
      My friend, I advise you to carefully read the rules of the site before registering (as well as before signing a loan agreement), now you will grab the minuses fairly, but what does the ban have to do with it? wink
      1. bad_arcade
        bad_arcade 12 March 2022 21: 55
        +1
        I came across deleted posts in which there was nothing violating the rules, only an unpopular point of view on the site
        karma, in principle, does not matter at all, and I don’t want to convince anyone, I just want to understand what the military goal is now and how it will be achieved
        from what I know, it will be very difficult to achieve control over ukraine
        1. host
          host 12 March 2022 22: 04
          -3
          from what I know, it will be very difficult to achieve control over Ukraine [/ quote]
          I think the goal to take control of the whole of Ukraine is not worth it, but if suddenly, it is difficult but not impossible.
          1. bad_arcade
            bad_arcade 12 March 2022 22: 06
            -4
            the problem is that they clearly rested in the negotiations

            however, they may become more accommodating over time, but we ask them a lot and may not agree, and then it’s just for me, for example, that it’s not at all clear what we are going to do
            1. host
              host 12 March 2022 22: 14
              -7
              Quote from: bad_arcade
              the problem is that they clearly rested in the negotiations

              however, they may become more accommodating over time, but we ask them a lot and may not agree, and then it’s just for me, for example, that it’s not at all clear what we are going to do

              Believe me, my friend, and I and everyone on the site do not know the answer to such questions. But I don’t think that both the president and the government and the Moscow Region think that “how the curve will take it out.”
              1. bad_arcade
                bad_arcade 13 March 2022 04: 26
                -1
                let's just say, I'm not sure that the president was counting on such an option at least as a plan b, but the fact that this is not a plan is obvious

                I will not say anything about what I think about whether the benefit for the president and the benefit for the country coincide

                but it seems that there is some kind of plan, and judging by the intransigence on our part too - it more or less works, I’m actually interested in what you think about this plan as people interested in military affairs

                I would venture to suggest that the capture of Kyiv is not considered as a somewhat desirable option, but the goal is to demand concessions and it all depends on the behavior of Ukraine after the defeat of the grouping in the Donbass - like it was possible to impose Minsk boilers twice, maybe now, but in this regard there is a problem about that Russia's demands are very high and practically unacceptable for Ukraine
        2. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 38
          0
          don't worry, the "miners" will come and explain everything to you, the "warriors of light" laughing
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 12 March 2022 21: 52
      -1
      Quote from: bad_arcade
      I hope they don't ban me if I say that I don't understand how Russia is going to win at all. I mean that from a military point of view, everything is probably ok, even if the grouping was clearly not designed for a protracted war, at first it got a little on the ears for capping (everyone laughs at it in the West for this, by the way) and, in theory, it should probably be where more, but Ukraine has clearly rested tightly in the negotiations and hopes for the effect of sanctions and defense, while realistically, Russia probably does not have the opportunity to take control of Ukraine without declaring mobilization, and even if it does take control, it will not lead to anything except the government of Ukraine in exile , to keep the same control will not work for at least a long time with all the desire. but here I have more question - how to actually take it under control? well, they will cope with the grouping in the Donbass, they will take Mariupol, maybe Nikolaev and Kharkov, but how to take Kyiv? I really don’t understand, the calculation was clearly that Ukraine would develop and surrender in the first days, and now Russia is in the position of the Schwartz “there has been a war for ten minutes, why doesn’t this Lancelot surrender?”


      Eccentric, you distinguish uppercase letters from lowercase?
      1. host
        host 12 March 2022 22: 08
        -2
        [quote=sergo1914][quote=bad_arcade]

        Eccentric, you distinguish uppercase letters from lowercase?[/ Quote]
        hi the guy "registered" today on the site, studies wink
        1. bad_arcade
          bad_arcade 13 March 2022 04: 31
          -2
          yes, ask a question about the number 15466 to which no one answered, in the neighboring news about anti-aircraft systems

          Well, at the same time I wanted to ask another question like this. the uncertainty of the desired course of the war is of great concern
      2. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 39
        +1
        what font was sent to him in the Word, so he asked (controll c controll V) laughing
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 12 March 2022 22: 52
      -3
      Quote from: bad_arcade
      I will say that I don’t understand how Russia is going to win at all

      It's true. Biden is not able to take control of his southern border, and here is a foreign country after over 30 years of Nazi brainwashing. But it seems that Russia has no other option. Either win, or disappear from the map, shrink to the size of Muscovy before Ivan IV.
      1. bad_arcade
        bad_arcade 13 March 2022 04: 54
        -1
        at a huge risk up to the revival of separatism and a new war in the same Caucasus, I am silent about the high risk of default and the unambiguous recession, inflation and depreciation of the ruble, which everyone here will soon experience if they have not experienced it yet, it was this war that put the country under this risk , not something else

        poor Elvira, in my opinion, was shocked by what kind of surprise the government provided her, I hope she can still somehow extinguish inflation and save the currency, still one of the best heads of the Central Bank in Europe

        but you shouldn’t consider me a Ukrainian, or at least their supporter, I’m only worried about Russia, it’s just that this war is a monstrous geopolitical catastrophe, first of all for Russia - the ties with the world built over thirty years are crumbling, Russia is losing strategic markets (and the same Azerbaijan, for example, is already ready fill Europe with gas, you only need the opportunity, and this is a matter of time) to which it will be very difficult to return, given that now Europe does not want a big dependence on our gas, it will be difficult to remove a significant part of the sanctions with all the will (technological package, economic, especially in its extreme manifestations like the problem with the turnover of the dollar is probably easier to remove), and it affects the industrialization of the country as a whole - for such a large country as Russia this is a direct connection with the standard of living, after 2014 the country was kicked out of G8, and now you look and we will lose our place in the UN Security Council , in addition, NATO forces began to concentrate on the borders, and the degree of hostility increased sharply

        in general, you may not know, but with Russia, almost all the countries of Western Europe and the United States, too, would not mind being friends at all both as states and as individuals, and it was in our interests to be friends with Europe, but now Russia has painted itself into a corner and pay dearly and stay in it and try to get out of it

        that's why people leave the country, they feel that the war has killed the future for many years and possibly decades to come

        By the way, in the United States they believe that Russia is at great risk of a coup, perhaps Ukraine, including sitting on the defensive and waiting for a coup, I don’t think, however, the probability is especially high
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 March 2022 05: 05
          +2
          A seat in the Security Council can be lost only if the Security Council votes for it, and all the permanent members of it either for or abstain. I somehow can’t imagine that the representative of the Russian Federation was in favor or even abstained.
          But Banderastan will require a lot of land, to the Don, and even to the Caspian. And there, you see, the Tatars may wish for self-determination. So the war for Ukraine has become a war for the very existence of Russia, and I just can’t imagine that Russia would lose such a war. Yes, and Ukraine, even with the supply of weapons and volunteers, is not a force that Russia can lose, and NATO does not want to run into a vigorous loaf.
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            1. Revolver
              Revolver 13 March 2022 09: 19
              0
              Quote from: bad_arcade
              in fact, they only demand Crimea and Donbass

              In fact, they even have it officially recorded in the anthem: to the Don. But if a chance comes up, they will rewrite it to "to the Volga", or even "to the Urals."
              1. bad_arcade
                bad_arcade 13 March 2022 11: 12
                -1
                the anthem is not an official document
                theirs is an old song where, among other things, fighters with Poland are mentioned, lol
    4. Adrey
      Adrey 13 March 2022 12: 28
      +2
      You are right to ask uncomfortable questions.
      Haven't thought about:
      1. Why now (for 8 years everyone was more or less satisfied with everything)?
      2. Why exactly at this time (the time before the beginning of the spring thaw is very short, and in some places it has already begun)?
      3. Why by such methods (in fact, there is no turning back. "The bridges have been burned, the Rubicon has been crossed.")?
      It would be interesting to hear your opinion hi
      1. bad_arcade
        bad_arcade 13 March 2022 13: 10
        -1
        my opinion is probably now unsafe to openly express in Runet
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 13 March 2022 14: 41
          +1
          Quote from: bad_arcade
          my opinion is probably now unsafe to openly express in Runet

          Great answer. Sincerely hi
  7. Fisherman
    Fisherman 12 March 2022 20: 59
    +7
    and in Marika, the Natsiks are already barely moving their legs (judging by their latest videos), the bandages are no longer blue-yellow, but only with blue electrical tape on the arms and legs .... there are no funnels with 3 human heights, there is no more bravado and loudness - they whine "here it is - the Russian world has come", there is almost no armor left, they don’t jump ... art doesn’t let them sleep at night, during the day they smoke it quarterly ... they probably would have surrendered, but no one is going to take prisoner.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 12 March 2022 21: 55
      +2
      Quote: Fisherman
      and in Marika, the Natsiks are already barely moving their legs (judging by their latest videos), the bandages are no longer blue-yellow, but only with blue electrical tape on the arms and legs .... there are no funnels with 3 human heights, there is no more bravado and loudness - they whine "here it is - the Russian world has come", there is almost no armor left, they don’t jump ... art doesn’t let them sleep at night, during the day they smoke it quarterly ... they probably would have surrendered, but no one is going to take prisoner.


      The blue tape is just stronger. It is not pierced by bullets and shells. It does not transmit alpha, beta and gamma radiation.
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 12 March 2022 22: 12
        0
        is it like a pot on the head? Same effect?
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 12 March 2022 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Fisherman
          is it like a pot on the head? Same effect?


          Take off the pot. Wrap your head with blue duct tape. In three layers. You will not regret.
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 12 March 2022 22: 18
            0
            I am not aware of both effects, not a user, I am asking only from the visual range of the habit of the Maydanuts to put pots on their heads ... I will believe your experience, but I will not follow it, mental shifts and manic messages do not bother me. But for your experience for the sake of expanding my humorous horizons - thank you!
    2. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 12 March 2022 23: 42
      0
      zashib, the Nazis rely only on the strength of the "blue tape".
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 13 March 2022 00: 19
        +1
        it’s more of a tactical mark, on the helmet, each arm and leg is wound around them now.
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 25
          +1
          they didn’t explain to the raguli at school that the blue color is worse visible to the HUMAN eye ... laughing Well, they are not human.
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 13 March 2022 10: 44
            0
            people of course ... only animals
  8. BIABIA
    BIABIA 12 March 2022 21: 17
    +2
    Severodonetsk has been in the ring for a long time. Strange news here. The Nazis are all in the city, people are released for money. And that's not a fact. Amounts from different sources from 2 to 10 thousand greenery. I won’t give proofs, news from friends who have relatives there. As long as there is a connection. Who is war...
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 30
      +1
      The most tin with greenery will be in Dnepropetrovsk. Perhaps even without any shooting. laughing
  9. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 12 March 2022 21: 22
    +7
    Quote from: bad_arcade
    to keep the same control will not work for at least how long a period of time with all the desire.

    In Ukraine, there have always been ~ 10% of Russia's enemies, ~ 10% of Russia's supporters, and the rest of the weather vanes - keep their nose to the wind. As soon as Russia convinces everyone that it will not retreat, these 80% will quickly be reforged. 10% of single digit enemies will always be enemies, but there are too few of them. Some will be killed in battle, the rest will flee to the West.
    1. bad_arcade
      bad_arcade 12 March 2022 21: 28
      -10
      you're wrong
      this war has united the country and they are fighting for their independence desperately
      if you talk to ordinary people there, they may be fooled by the propaganda that they are winning, but the bottom line is that they are all as one against the control of Russia and are ready to drop it as soon as they can
      and they are not at all afraid of mass civil protests

      but I'm talking about something else, but how to take control? you can practically guarantee that Kyiv will not surrender
      1. Novichek
        Novichek 13 March 2022 00: 31
        -1
        . the bottom line is that they are all as one against the control of Russia and are ready to drop it as soon as they can
        . Well, in this case, apparently, you will have to use the well-established Chinese system of "pacifying the Uyghurs": all men - to the camps, and for each woman - a personal police officer - 24/7. Or else, as an option, you can revive the "right of the wedding night." and so on ..... since morality in society has long slipped into the Middle Ages, so why be embarrassed .....
  10. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 12 March 2022 21: 23
    +6
    China has just signed a $10 billion contract with Saudi Arabia to build refineries in China that will be supplied with Russian oil. Meanwhile, the Saudis are ignoring Biden's call to increase oil production.

    Beijing also struck a deal with Saudi Aramco. Chinese companies are considering investing in Russian oil companies.

    Beijing is in talks with four government entities to acquire stakes in Russian oil and steel companies, including China National Petroleum Corp, CNPC, China Petrochemical Corp, Sinopec, the country's largest refinery, as well as Aluminum Corp and China Minmetals Group.

    Considering that Russia produces 40% of the world's palladium and 10% of nickel, the West will face problems not only in microelectronics.
    ----
    China launches dollar-denial process in Asia

    China has launched a process of abandoning the dollar in Asia. Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten said the Chinese government has launched a de-dollarization process.

    Asian states are step by step moving away from using the US dollar in trade. Instead of the dollar, national currencies come to the rescue. Governments enter into an agreement where a certain currency is indicated.

    The main plan for this activity was the plan developed by the ASEAN Association. The plan is based on the activities of China, which has achieved maximum success in abandoning the dollar. The contract with Russia never mentions the dollar. In the future, China will have to make the yuan the world's reserve currency in the event of abandoning the dollar. This was reported by the portal RT.
    1. bad_arcade
      bad_arcade 12 March 2022 21: 31
      -11
      while the fat dries the skinny dies
      our problems will be many times or even tens of times greater
      Well, actually, what good is it to become dependent on China? the West is at least not united, and in addition, earlier we could balance between the West and China, and now we are at the mercy of China as a source of cheap (below the world price) resources
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 12 March 2022 21: 42
        -1
        It will die, without our wheat, without our fertilizers, genetically modified varieties of the crop will not give. DIE from hunger. laughing
        How long will it last at such prices for gas, gasoline and utilities.


        This American Woman Works 3 Shifts and Can't Buy Insulin for Her Diabetic Son
        1. bad_arcade
          bad_arcade 12 March 2022 21: 47
          -14
          ok, it's not very interesting to argue on this topic

          you tell me how we will take Kyiv
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          2. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 12 March 2022 22: 00
            -1
            Quote from: bad_arcade
            ok, it's not very interesting to argue on this topic

            you tell me how we will take Kyiv

            What is shown in the picture?
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 13 March 2022 02: 53
              -2

              Tank jacket (Ruslan)
              Yesterday, 22: 00
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              Quote: bad_arcade
              ok, it's not very interesting to argue on this topic

              you tell me how we will take Kyiv

              What is shown in the picture?
              good Somehow so them. Rat climbed out, trying to annoy here too. angry
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 13 March 2022 05: 39
                -1
                hi This robot is broken, carry the next one laughing
          3. sergo1914
            sergo1914 12 March 2022 22: 16
            +4
            Quote from: bad_arcade
            ok, it's not very interesting to argue on this topic

            you tell me how we will take Kyiv


            Creatively.

            PS Why the hell don't you like capital letters?
          4. BIABIA
            BIABIA 12 March 2022 22: 31
            -2
            The Americans, at one time, very quickly solved the problem with Japan ... how many of THEIR fighters were saved ...
            1. Alexey Lobanov
              Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 33
              +1
              Then they did not "save" their fighters, but Japan. From us and the Chinese...
          5. Novichek
            Novichek 12 March 2022 23: 47
            +1
            It is useless to try to extort something here - they would know - they would not say. ..
            .
            you tell me how we will take Kyiv
            . How how? Just like Mariupol, it’s long and painful ... And also, we’ll wait until the Turks send more Bayraktars to Zele, intercept them, and we will destroy the “javelins” who “live on the roof” from them, and the robot Vasya will kill all the Ukrov infantry from a machine gun Kalashnikov in his hands, himself taped with tape ass to a quadrocopter with Ali Express for $ 10 laughing
            1. bad_arcade
              bad_arcade 13 March 2022 04: 13
              -3
              like there was no talk of supplying new bayactors?

              and Mariupol compared to Kiev is a village
          6. Alexey Lobanov
            Alexey Lobanov 13 March 2022 00: 37
            0
            So it seems that Kyiv is still yours?
  11. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 March 2022 22: 35
    +2
    Due to the fact that the "brilliant" Ukrainian commanders had a creative plan to "turn Kyiv and Kharkov into the second Grozny", as a direct participant in the second Chechen campaign, I want to tell the civilians of these cities what the "second Grozny" means to you.
    I'll start from the end. Grozny is not Leningrad or Stalingrad. We stormed it twice, and both times it was taken. Remember this when you find yourself in the hell of urban warfare: all suffering, injury, death, all your victims will be in vain.

    The second Grozny means military chaos in which there are no safe zones and rear positions. Every house and every building will be used by the combatants of both sides as a military installation. Therefore, every house will be destroyed by heavy weapons. Civilians will not have the opportunity to sit in their apartments behind an iron door, buildings will turn into ruins and constantly change hands, sometimes several times a day. The inscription on the door: "Do not shoot, people live!" - will not save. Neither tankers, nor gunners, nor rocketmen can see your door and the inscription on it. Those who survive will very quickly realize the need to move into the basements.

    The second Grozny means the complete absence of electricity and running water in the city. And if you can live without electricity for some time, then the lack of water will be a disaster for civilians. After the last drops have been drained from the pipes of the water supply system, the search for water will be a vital necessity associated with mortal danger. In Grozny, it got to the point that people had to drink rat blood. An incredible number of rats will appear in the basements, and you will have to coexist with them. Water scarcity is a complete lack of hygiene. And the lack of hygiene is linen lice. While there is an opportunity, it makes sense to acquire drugs from them.

    The second Grozny is uncleaned corpses, or corpses buried to an insufficient depth, and therefore the air is simply saturated with the smell of death.

    The second Grozny is the sweeping of streets and buildings by combatants from both sides. Death in battle, it seems to be natural for a soldier, but you don’t want to die. Therefore, before entering a room or basement, grenades are first thrown there. It will be very shameful for this, the picture of a peaceful civilian killed and wounded by your grenade will be remembered all his life, but all this will be later. And in the chaos of a city war, when death is waiting around every corner and can fly from anywhere - first a grenade, then a line, then figure out who was there. And so do combatants on both sides. They are at war with each other, the peaceful in this war is an unfortunate misunderstanding in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  12. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 12 March 2022 22: 57
    +4
    Advanced units of the LPR army reached the outskirts of Severodonetsk


    The Lisichansk-Severodonetsk agglomeration must be cleared. You will have to deal with him.
  13. Spleen
    Spleen 12 March 2022 23: 25
    0
    If we are Russians, we will be honest,
    Let us live in our beauty!
    The Russian spirit blew up our souls!
    will you understand?
    The Russian Spirit will save your souls in the darkness!
    12.03.2022 Maxim
  14. Spleen
    Spleen 12 March 2022 23: 39
    -1
    If we are Russians, we will be honest,
    Let us live in our beauty!
    The Russian spirit blew up our souls!
    will you understand?
    The Russian Spirit will save your souls in the darkness!
    12.03.2022 Maxim
  15. The Tambov wolf is not a comrade for everyone.
    +2
    Zelensky, take people out and lay down their weapons.
  16. bukhach
    bukhach 13 March 2022 04: 59
    0
    Quote from: bad_arcade
    ready to drop it as soon as they can

    They can, they took them, but the key word is: "as soon as", then right away. This means that the control will be very long until this mass ferments and stops swelling, holding on to the mind. several differently oriented states.
  17. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 05: 35
    -1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: antivirus
    A little more, a little more .. The last fight is the most difficult one ...

    Well, then you. The war is just beginning.


    Jewish Nazis support Ukrainians.
    How cute.
  18. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 05: 37
    +1
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    RA has a wild shortage of infantry

    And why did you decide so?

    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications

    Read - "roaming around the territory on foot (without vehicles) DRG and Teroborontsy". Moreover, they rummage exactly until they are nailed there.

    Dear, you are nothing have not been proven. And from the fact that you repeated "halvah" a hundred times, it does not get hot or cold ...

    Most of the Terodefenders are already lying in the ditches, feeding the worms.
  19. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 05: 42
    +1
    Quote: sergo1914
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Prove that you don't agree.

    RA has a wild shortage of infantry. Your serious superiority in aviation, armored vehicles and artillery and the lack of infantry put your army on the tracks like beads on a string. The territory between the tracks remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the local militia, who freely operate on your communications. At the same time, your command does not want to enter large cities, where infantry saturated with anti-tank weapons pose a serious threat to armored vehicles, and artillery and aircraft cannot accurately support their ground forces. This problem has not been solved since WWII.


    I understand the Israel Defense Forces is ready to make a business proposal?

    KATS offers to surrender.
    They have the whole story because of the owner yapping.
  20. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 05: 47
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Interestingly, after the completion of the cleansing of Dnepropetrovsk, how much will remain on the site of "Israeli" "experts"?

    They sang the same songs about Georgia. laughing
    Alas and ah, but the Israelis write from Israel. wink

    From the evil one.
    There are probably more of yours in Ukraine than in Israel.
  21. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 05: 55
    0
    Quote: Glagol1
    Ukraine's gas transmission system will soon cost zero. Europe will refuse our gas and all pipes, SP-1, Yamal, Krajina will turn into scrap metal. There will be a branch of the Turkish Stream 14 billion to the south of Europe and that's it. Come on guys...

    I would rather refuse.
    We will move away from the sale of resources to their deep processing, we will finally gasify the country.
  22. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 06: 02
    0
    Quote from: bad_arcade
    ok, it's not very interesting to argue on this topic

    you tell me how we will take Kyiv

    Can you post a map.
    And the names of informers from the government of Ukraine?
  23. Synoid
    Synoid 13 March 2022 06: 04
    +2
    Quote: Tank jacket
    It will die, without our wheat, without our fertilizers, genetically modified varieties of the crop will not give. DIE from hunger. laughing
    How long will it last at such prices for gas, gasoline and utilities.


    This American Woman Works 3 Shifts and Can't Buy Insulin for Her Diabetic Son

    Jacket, with all due respect.
    But there is no need to spread such things, you can’t laugh at sick children (no matter what nationality they are and where they live).
  24. Buck
    Buck 13 March 2022 11: 18
    0
    Severodonetsk has no particular outskirts ...
  25. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 13 March 2022 11: 37
    0
    Quote from: bad_arcade
    you're wrong
    this war has united the country and they are fighting for their independence desperately

    You are, to put it mildly, greatly exaggerating. That territory has always been a passage yard for the conquerors. This formed a special mentality - why fight with the conqueror if he will soon be replaced by another conqueror. For example, PVL. First, the Khazars came and said "pay tribute to us." Paid. Then Askold and Dir arrived and asked "to whom do you pay". Answer "Khazars". They say "now you will pay us." They began to pay. Then Oleg and his comrades came, they killed Askold and Dir, they told the people of Kiev "they are not princes and not of a princely family", they showed the young Igor and said "here is your prince." And the people of Kiev began to pay them.
    The current regime there was based solely on violence, now their strength is over.
  26. Donhofleo
    Donhofleo 13 March 2022 16: 04
    0
    I think not fools are sitting in the General Staff. The task is simply to grind the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. and then keep the entire territory under gunpoint. Walk the field and the Makhnovshchina is the future of this territory for 1-2 years ..... This is sad. But re-education of the population is the only way to do it. At the same time, there will be a complete restoration of the peaceful life of the DPR and LPR indicative. Well, perhaps the entire southern part of this territory. That is, Odessa Kherson, etc. e. The western part will be given to the National Battalions, PMCs and mercenaries for complete looting. ...... Well, hyenas like Poland ..... Let them pay off in full for the Volyn events. And poisoned by revenge.