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“The army will have to be left without air defense”: the British press gives advice to the Armed Forces of Ukraine on deterring a Russian attack

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British observers, in anticipation of the "imminent invasion" of Russian troops in Ukraine, give advice to the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are designed to increase the chances of delivering a painful blow to the Russian Aerospace Forces.


As indicated in the RUSI publication, the obvious inequality in the combat potential of the two countries is obvious: both on land and at sea, and in the air:

This does not mean that the Russian aviation will have complete freedom of action in the Ukrainian sky.

As noted, the Independent Air Force can put up about 50 MiG-29 fighters and just over 30 Su-27s, as well as about a dozen Su-24 bombers and modernized Su-25 attack aircraft. At the same time, within the minimum reach of the Ukrainian border, the Russian Aerospace Forces have 313 combat aircraft - these are newly manufactured or deeply modernized vehicles, controlled by well-trained pilots with combat experience. The pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to fight them on old Soviet equipment in the absence of situational awareness - ground-based radars will be one of the first targets in the initial strike.

The Ukrainian Air Force will be quickly destroyed if they try to directly confront the aircraft of the Aerospace Forces near the line of contact

- the author believes.

If the aviation is not defeated by the Russian Aerospace Forces, then this will be done by air defense systems in the form of long-range S-300VM / V4, S-400, Buk-M1-2, Tor-M2 medium-range destruction zone or portable air defense systems at a short fire range. Ukraine in this segment of defense has a much smaller number of outdated S-300PS / PT, Kub, Buk M-1 and Tor systems, which are equipped with outdated missiles and radars, and their mobility is a big question due to the lack of spare parts .



Ukrainian air defense systems face a stark choice: if they operate close to the front line to provide cover for troops from air attacks by Russian helicopters and aircraft, they will be quickly detected and destroyed

- the author believes, pointing out that under these conditions it is necessary to withdraw air defense systems from the line of contact.

According to him, this will allow maintaining the air defense potential to combat the penetration of the Aerospace Forces deep into the territory of the country, which threatens to land an airborne assault in the rear of the defending troops.

But the army will have to be left without air defense

- the author believes.

According to him, troops on the front line should rely only on MANPADS, increasing the effectiveness of their fire through digging in, camouflage and deployment in urban areas.

A deep [off-front] air defense strategy that combines combat sorties of fighters and sudden shelling from air defense systems [from deep within the country] will at least create the threat of inflicting a painful blow on Russian aviation

- the conclusion is made in the British press.

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Ministry of Defense of Ukraine website
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  1. Amateur
    Amateur 11 February 2022 17: 10
    +5
    The main conclusion of their media:
    If Russia seriously decides to "force peace", then despite the fact that the United States, NATO, the OSCE and others will start yelling, moaning, indignant and threatening, the Nazis and clowns do not care * (end) . angry
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 11 February 2022 17: 15
      +6
      The main conclusion is not to twitch them figs ... yes and the zaluzhnye will not help ... yes
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 February 2022 17: 43
        +4
        THE MFA OF UKRAINE GIVED 48 HOURS TO RUSSIA, WHAT WOULD WE REPORT THE NUMBER OF OUR TROOPS AROUND UKRAINE. Why would it? lol48 hours remain, and the rest turns out to be a request based on some kind of Vienna conventions. And as it was menacing at first, it turns out to be zilch again.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 20: 35
          +7
          Quote: tralflot1832
          THE MFA OF UKRAINE GIVED RUSSIA 48 HOURS TO REPORT THE NUMBER OF OUR TROOPS AROUND UKRAINE.

          But the fact that? Will they throw dung? lol

          Do they ever take a break from themselves? fool
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              1. Third district
                Third district 12 February 2022 05: 52
                0
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                All my service I had an "enemy" - Vasya from Kharkov. He was given a corporal back in training, in the army he expected to get a younger one.

                Yes, yes, speaking in literary language, then you can tell a well-known saying like this: "A Ukrainian without a stripe is like a female genital organ without a tampon" yes
              2. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 12 February 2022 13: 13
                0
                Well, you touched their "sore spot"!) Badges for farmers are EVERYTHING! Faced on urgent with this phenomenon. The most surprising thing is that these "children of the farms" did not understand the main thing - you will get stripes, you will lose respect among your own friends. I think it's from their own inferiority complex. To curry favor, to break out into people - at any cost. But how "nice" it is to come in uniform and with stripes - "to a rural club", to show off in front of the milkmaids. )))
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 12 February 2022 13: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                  lychki - you will receive, respect among your own friends - you will lose

                  They think that badges are needed in order to lead the formation to the canteen and not as orderlies, but as company officers on duty to go to the outfit.
                  And what a disappointment for them when they understand that the one who is responsible for the squad thrown to the heights and for every "two-hundredth-three hundredth" will be asked from him personally.
                  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                    Andrei Nikolaevich 12 February 2022 13: 49
                    +1
                    Here you have answered your own question. They don't understand the word "responsibility". No wonder there are so many jokes among the people about Ukrainians. The voice of the people is the voice of God.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 11 February 2022 18: 33
      +1
      Amateur, unfortunately everything depends on the word "if"! hi
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 12 February 2022 01: 43
      -12
      Judging by the shoulder straps, you are a colonel)) so. then you should know that the essence of strategy is not to win at any cost (unless, of course, the war is not of total annihilation). The essence of the strategy is so that the enemy is guaranteed to suffer losses / damage incomparable with the gain in case of victory. In history, this is called a Pyrrhic victory. So, in the event of an attack on Ukraine, Russia will lose more than it will gain: in human resources (5: 1 - the ratio of losses of the attacking side to the defending side), economically, politically and mentally (in the psychology of citizens).
      1. Alex Kozyrev
        Alex Kozyrev 12 February 2022 07: 40
        0
        Russia in the event of an attack on Ukraine will lose more than gain
        And why do you view the alleged "attack" of Russia in this light? We do not aim to capture land, resources or industry. The only thing that can "help" us in deciding whether to attack the Ukrainians is a threat from them. And in this light, it doesn't look like that anymore, does it? The losses from the fact that we leave everything as it is, are much more painful than if we do "invade".
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 12 February 2022 13: 54
        +3
        Normal, I don’t know why you were mined, but I put it, plus, I partly agree. But I think that we don’t need Ukraine at all, with a plundered economy and the Ukrainian people, who betrayed history. But the current government in Ukraine cannot be tolerated either. It would be better if they were there each other at the throats of a grizzly. And we'll wait on the sidelines. I'm not a cynic. I just value my people and country.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 19 February 2022 21: 07
          0
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Normal, I don’t know why you were mined, but I put it, plus, I partly agree. But I think that we don’t need Ukraine at all, with a plundered economy and the Ukrainian people, who betrayed history. But the current government in Ukraine cannot be tolerated either. It would be better if they were there each other at the throats of a grizzly. And we'll wait on the sidelines. I'm not a cynic. I just value my people and country.

          I partly agree)) But, economically, losses / gains, for the medium term, we do not know. In the last 30 years: "war is a continuation of ECONOMY, by other means"
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 19 February 2022 22: 34
            -1
            Not an economist, but not a member of the government either, but I am sure that economic losses will be much greater if Ukraine becomes part of the Russian Federation. As I said and repeat, this is not Crimea (even part of Ukraine), this is a hundred Crimeas. After all, the restoration of the economy of new territories will fall on the shoulders of our state.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 February 2022 17: 10
    +14
    What are they smoking there, these British "experts"? Remove air defense cover from ground troops - so that the Aerospace Forces turn them into minced meat? And what's next? Then tanks at airfields and air defense positions? The souls of ISIS fighters will tell you what modern aviation is against troops without air defense. Organize a séance... wassat
    1. avg
      avg 11 February 2022 17: 21
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What are they smoking there, these British "experts"?

      Air defense to the rear, issue an esperd mahr and into the trench to the front line. Such an integrated approach clears the brains better than any dope.
      1. Volkof
        Volkof 11 February 2022 21: 07
        +4
        can put up about 50 MiG-29 fighters and just over 30 Su-27

        Funny ! This can fly as much if there are enough pilots, and even then during the day in the PMU around their airfield .... It is very interesting how much serviceable navigation equipment is on these aircraft? And how many years ago did they shoot rockets? And can these planes even shoot and conduct air combat? Yes, their guns can fire manually at PVD, or marks (scratches) on glass .... 14 combat Su-27s and 4 sparks from Belbek - this is theoretically 18, but where is 30? The rest have already rotted ... In Mirgorod, their oldest Su-27s were, the first regiment in the USSR .... they are already about 40 years old, they theoretically can no longer fly .. Kamikaze
    2. Mouse
      Mouse 11 February 2022 17: 27
      +5
      .british "experts"?

      British experts and British scientists .... two in one .... wassat
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 February 2022 18: 08
        +4
        You monitor the visit of Ben Wallace, I understand you can’t trust him, but he brought a couple of olive twigs. Will Kazhugetovich receive them, this is a question. What they don’t know about in VO.
        1. Napayz
          Napayz 12 February 2022 21: 30
          +1
          I read in two sources that the Britons would import their instructors from Nezalezhnaya on the weekend
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      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 11 February 2022 18: 10
        +6
        Quote: Mouse
        British experts and British scientists .... two in one ....

        Also British politicians to the heap.
        They have a mania to lead other people's lives in other people's fields.
        For pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to fight

        They would have ruined their pilots, if it hurts. am
      3. Russ
        Russ 11 February 2022 18: 19
        +1
        .two in one....

        Shampoo.... bully
        Foam one...
      4. parathyron
        parathyron 11 February 2022 19: 11
        +2
        British diplomats rise to the zenith of glory smile
      5. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 20: 44
        0
        Quote: Mouse
        British experts and British scientists .... two in one ....

    3. Popandos
      Popandos 11 February 2022 19: 13
      +8
      so that the VKS turn them into minced meat?

      You read the article, but did not understand its meaning. The British are not interested in the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are only concerned with inflicting maximum damage to the Russian Aerospace Forces due to dill, that's all.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 11 February 2022 19: 30
        +3
        Quote: Popandos
        You read the article, but did not understand its meaning. The British are not interested in the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are only concerned with inflicting maximum damage to the Russian Aerospace Forces due to dill, that's all

        Really understood. Just how much damage to the Aerospace Forces can be inflicted by aircraft on defenseless airfields and air defense systems that will be captured or destroyed by ground forces ...
        1. Popandos
          Popandos 12 February 2022 01: 54
          0
          Already ask the expert, it is he who advises to withdraw the air defense.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: Popandos
        The British are not interested in the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are only concerned with inflicting maximum damage to the Russian Aerospace Forces due to dill, that's all.

        So it wasn't said yesterday. "The war of the West against Russia to the last Ukrainian" is the whole point of the existence of the "Independent Ukraine" project.
        There are no other meanings - an absolutely stupid and unviable artificial formation.
      3. Keer
        Keer 12 February 2022 04: 49
        0
        In general, they predict the complete loss of all their troops on equipment, but they promise a hellish "gorilla", that is, a guerrilla war. The further the Canadian deviator, i.e., the Ukroinist, is from the Batkivshchyna, the more furious the promises. And louder than the demand for "the whole world" to stand as one, well, except for him, of course, for Nenko. laughing
    4. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 11 February 2022 19: 21
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What are they smoking there, these British "experts"? Remove air defense cover from ground troops

      Yes, how be, the Serbs, for example, did just that.
      True, there is a big difference, American tanks did not go to Belgrade. But our tanks can go.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 20: 51
        +2
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        But our tanks can go.

        Europe fears it, but America longs for it. Yes, only if something happens - and the tanks will not go, and the planes will not fly. Gerasimov knowingly said that we don’t even need to cross the border.
        There is something to fly, except for airplanes.
    5. Vlad69
      Vlad69 11 February 2022 19: 32
      0
      Igilovites have no soul, how to ask them. Just into oblivion.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 February 2022 17: 10
    0
    Brilliant plan) Remove military air defense away))))
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 11 February 2022 17: 17
      +3

      According to him, troops on the front line should rely only on MANPADS, increasing the effectiveness of their fire through digging in, camouflage and deployment in urban areas.

      they initially do the FSE so that Russia captures Ukraine and gets stuck in a war! and here they organize sanctions and military assistance and the FSE in fairness
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 11 February 2022 17: 47
      +2
      Remove military air defense away

      Well - maybe the arrogant people just sensibly assess his condition? Yes, there one age of missiles has already blocked all conceivable standards a couple of times! So they advise to remove it away so that there is no additional shame. Yes, and extra illusions ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 February 2022 19: 16
        +2
        Ha) From this angle, I forgot to look)))
  4. 210ox
    210ox 11 February 2022 17: 13
    +2
    Hollywood will probably soon shoot an "epic" blockbuster about the war in the outside..
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 February 2022 19: 36
      +2
      Hollywood will probably soon shoot an "epic" blockbuster about the war in Ukraine

      Already removed. Death Zone movie...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 21: 06
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Hollywood will probably soon shoot an "epic" blockbuster about the war in Ukraine

        Already removed. Death Zone movie...

        Read Kinopoisk. I downloaded it, I looked (I scrolled through it, because there is nothing to WATCH).
        Synopsis of Kinopoisk (for those who, like me, heard about it for the first time)
        2036 year. For several years now, a civil war has been going on in Ukraine, and the US military has been playing the role of peacekeepers. Disobeying the direct order of the captain, the drone operator, Lieutenant Harp, appears before the commission, but is sent not to the tribunal, but to a special assignment. Now Harp is subordinate to Captain Leo, who is actually a secret development - a high-tech android, outwardly completely indistinguishable from an ordinary person. Together, they go to the border zone with Russia to find the war criminal Viktor Koval and prevent him from getting hold of the codes for launching nuclear missiles.
        Rejoice, Ukraine! Until 2036, Hollywood has already weighed your life.

        The review of the viewer from Kinopoisk - quite accurately reflects the essence of the "film".
        Throughout the whole picture, the characters move from point A to point B. And it all looks like some kind of cheap Polish shooter. Meager special effects, almost Indian delivery of combat scenes and bad Russian Western actors - that's what awaits you here. The heroes move through the destroyed Ukraine and try to run to the main boss of this location, not forgetting to chat with a couple of minor characters along the way.


        I remembered the Georgian-American "film" about 08.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX. The same quality "cranberry".
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 11 February 2022 21: 11
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I remembered the Georgian-American "film" about 08.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX. The same quality "cranberry".

          The question was that Hollywood was already in a hurry. For the quality of speech was not. But the "War in Ukraine" and Russia's imperial ambitions are already being introduced into the minds of viewers.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 21: 15
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            "War in Ukraine" and Russia's imperial ambitions are already being introduced into the minds of viewers.

            It seems that now the flow will go such forgings. I am no longer surprised that James Bond is a black man, an LGBT woman and other wisdom of Hollywood. For the full stuffing of the next "James Bond" you need to shoot about Ukraine.
            And they'll give you an Oscar too...
  5. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 11 February 2022 17: 13
    +3
    This is where the ears grow to create and carry out a provocation against the LDNR. Here are the main culprits of everything that is happening at the moment in Ukraine. main instigators.
  6. Dizel200
    Dizel200 11 February 2022 17: 17
    +5
    How impudent Saxons relaxed. Such an expert sits on the couch, sips undiluted whiskey and predicts how the Slavs will crumble each other.
  7. 1Alexey
    1Alexey 11 February 2022 17: 21
    +2
    If the aviation is not defeated by the Russian Aerospace Forces, then air defense systems in the form of long-range S-300VM / V4, S-400, medium-range Buk-M1-2, Tor-M2 or portable air defense systems at a short fire range will do this.

    The author forgot to mention the S-350 and Buk-M3 stationed in the Southern Military District, as well as the Shells that cover the S-400.

    In addition, Ukrainian aviation can also be defeated by missile strikes on airfields (using, for example, Iskanders or Calibers).
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 11 February 2022 18: 17
      +3
      Quote: 1Alexey
      In addition, Ukrainian aviation can be defeated and missile strikes on airfields (using, for example, Iskanders or Calibers).

      And this is, first of all, so that they stop throwing up their "anti-humanitarian".
  8. HAM
    HAM 11 February 2022 17: 33
    +6
    "......camouflage and placement in urban areas....."

    This advice is not the advice of a fascist!?
  9. The popuas
    The popuas 11 February 2022 17: 36
    0
    My advice. Take the "overcoat" go home yes
  10. dimy44
    dimy44 11 February 2022 17: 36
    -1
    Another feuilleton on VO. There, over the hill, there really are no adequate publications, or is the editors specifically looking for the most stupid ones??
  11. Sergei Zabelin
    Sergei Zabelin 11 February 2022 17: 45
    +2
    It’s especially cool to listen to these experts about 50 MiG 29 and 30 Su27, ready to take off there, if there are a dozen or two around the entire square, and that’s good
    1. sanya_sergant
      sanya_sergant 11 February 2022 19: 13
      +9
      They are not ready for a sortie, but for a flight to Polish airfields. On alarm, they somehow hobble and from there they will threaten Russia.
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 13 February 2022 16: 10
        0
        and for the flight to Polish airfields

        And if the Poles think with fear that these are Russian Sushki flying and knocking everyone down?
  12. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 February 2022 17: 53
    +2
    They don't understand anything in air defense. An air defense system without aviation, with the same terrain, and even of such quality as in Ukraine, is just a target.
  13. Hog
    Hog 11 February 2022 17: 56
    +1
    And in the end, there will be one air defense, which the ground units will finish off in the end, a brilliant tactic)))
  14. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 11 February 2022 17: 57
    0
    Sorry, off topic ... Dill put forward an ultimatum within 48 hours to provide information from our side on the number of troops near their border, areas of deployment and reasons for deployment. And also on the composition of the troops.
    https://rusvesna.su/news/1644590549
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 11 February 2022 18: 02
      -1
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Dill issued an ultimatum

      Would you give a link, or something, just read it, they will laugh ... Otherwise, the search for "Ukraine ultimatum" gives any, excuse me, garbage.
      1. nikolas 83
        nikolas 83 11 February 2022 18: 11
        +1
        https://rusvesna.su/news/1644590549
    2. dimy44
      dimy44 11 February 2022 18: 04
      +1
      Strange ... Judging by the content of their publications and speeches, they know this number better than Shoigu.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 21: 26
        0
        Quote: dimy44
        Strange ... Judging by the content of their publications and speeches, they know this number better than Shoigu.

        They don't know themselves. The Boss from Washington transmits fresh figures to them, and journalists and experts from all over Europe draw the directions of "Russia's main strikes".
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 11 February 2022 18: 12
    +4
    under these conditions, it is necessary to withdraw air defense systems from the line of contact.
    According to him, this will preserve the air defense potential to combat the penetration of the airborne forces deep into the country.


    Russia has the ability to destroy Ukrainian air defense systems throughout Ukraine without sending troops into it.
  16. Avarron
    Avarron 11 February 2022 18: 25
    +1
    Obviously, the dill pilots, who did not kill civilians in Luhansk, will simply fly to Russia and ask for asylum.
  17. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 11 February 2022 18: 57
    +4
    Rzhu nimagu))) what kind of bandera air defense are we talking about?))) SAMs for the S-300 system were last purchased in 2002-03, and then, not for everyone, you need to understand that they changed to the oldest ones. "Buks" were last repaired and upgraded in 2006-08. But of those eight cars, two went to Georgia, where they became trophies of the Russian army. No new missiles were delivered to them either. The question is - what will Banderaaffen shoot with?
    1. Shiden
      Shiden 11 February 2022 19: 16
      -3
      YOU first decide in Georgia, the Georgians or Ukrainians TU22 and SU25 filled up the SAM operators. Because the war in Karabakh showed that the Ayzerbanjans, in addition to selling fruits, also know how to fight. After all, it was not the Turkish special forces who took Shushi, but Azeibarzhan.
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 11 February 2022 19: 23
        +4
        Not so long ago, a Georgian told a story. This was in August 2008. Not far from the recruiting station, a Russian plane dropped a bomb and immediately all the volunteers fled to their homes, and there were many of them. According to him, the pilot took pity on them and placed a bomb nearby.
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 11 February 2022 19: 57
          -7
          I would have believed you if I had not been a participant in the ATO. Retelling through the tenth ear can be taken for the truth. But I will believe the officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who put 80 Kadyrov’s men on the line of separatists than the nonsense that you wrote.
          1. huntsman650
            huntsman650 11 February 2022 22: 27
            +1
            I wouldn’t have believed it myself, yaksho would have been on TV this person himself without saying about it)))
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 11 February 2022 20: 46
        +2
        In Georgia, there were Bandera "beeches" with their own calculations. But 13 years have passed, the technique has changed, and the calculations of those have already disappeared.
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 11 February 2022 21: 04
          -4
          You know why I called the Chechens Kadyrovtsy because they are not Chechens, they are scum. A Chechen is a person whose associative homeland is not where he was born, but where he is perceived as an equal. came to my house with a weapon."
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 11 February 2022 21: 59
            0
            And what should people say to whose house the Chechens came with weapons? Nationalism has not brought anyone to good, starting with Assyria.
            1. Shiden
              Shiden 11 February 2022 23: 38
              -2
              You know, you confuse soft with warm. If a person is perceived not by nationality, but by individual qualities, this is different. I will explain more clearly in our city Caucasians do not shoot at weddings, do not cut sacrificial sheep in the center for holidays, do not offend buyers and the attitude of violence is tacos to no one will tell them that they came in large numbers.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 12 February 2022 17: 00
                +1
                You are confusing something))) if the newcomers live according to the standards of the country in which they live, they are treated normally everywhere. The problem is that for some reason the newcomers want to enjoy all the benefits of civilization, but live according to the laws of the mountains. And this does not meet with understanding either on the part of locals or on the part of the state. There is no need to tell me about how the Chechens defended their land from the Russian invaders. My former army colleagues were there both in the first war and in the second. I believe them, but you don't.
          2. huntsman650
            huntsman650 11 February 2022 22: 32
            0
            Atoshntki came from the west to someone else's house, Donetsk and Luhansk))) and the separatists gnaw at you with their teeth, banderlogs))). By the way, I grew up in the Cherkasy region! Yes, and dregs, these are those who are at war with their people! And the Chechens are no match for you, change your nickname vuiko)))
            1. Shiden
              Shiden 11 February 2022 22: 46
              -2
              You know, people from Lugansk and Donetsk served in my unit, and when asked why they went to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they gave one answer that their liberators from Bender would just rob. And notice this was said by people who do not live in the Cherkasy region.
              1. huntsman650
                huntsman650 11 February 2022 22: 49
                +1
                You know, no one remembers how it all started. Why did they live before, but did not grieve? And suddenly rushed piz .... over the bumps.
                1. Shiden
                  Shiden 11 February 2022 23: 15
                  -4
                  want to hear the truthful answer. So listen in Ukraine there was a thesis that Donbass feeds Ukraine. But this is not true until the year 14, only three regions gave more to the budget than they received, and Donetsk and Luhansk were not included in this list. But according to the media, it turned out that only the southeast feeds Ukraine the rest of the freeloaders. And now the facts in the Donbass mines are being closed because there are no subsidies; factories go to scrap metal. People have one choice either to get Russian citizenship and work in Russia without fear of extortion or to join the militia where the prospects are very vague. that there were no suckers who, according to his idea, should die for the Russian world. The lumpens went, but the people did not.
                  1. huntsman650
                    huntsman650 11 February 2022 23: 52
                    0
                    My brothers, cousins, second cousins, Ukrainians, do not fight. They do not understand either the separatists or the Atoshniks). Why and for what should they go to the atom? Girkin is guilty, and those with a harness came looking like a junta- garni lads?))) So you personally nah ... got there, and if the Donetsk people came to you, where are you from?
                    1. Shiden
                      Shiden 11 February 2022 23: 58
                      -2
                      Answer honestly, you are a Russian, that is, you live in Russia. If you answer, then I can explain.
                      1. huntsman650
                        huntsman650 11 February 2022 23: 59
                        0
                        Yes, father is from there. I went to Komarivka on vacation, I won’t go anymore)
                      2. Shiden
                        Shiden 12 February 2022 00: 14
                        -7
                        Firstly, in Ukraine, such a mass psychosis in the media is not observed as in Russia. Yes, they announce losses in the media, but they don’t indicate that it is Russian imperial chauvinists who are killing Ukrainians. After all, in the Russian media you can only hear that civilians are dying and not a word about militants. We just have censorship so as not to inflate hatred, because it’s easy to do. secondly, look at Donetsk, it doesn’t lie in ruins like Grozny in the 90s, it says something or not. And in the third, in the regions themselves, the people themselves cannot really explain why they need this Russian world.
                      3. huntsman650
                        huntsman650 12 February 2022 00: 19
                        +1
                        My brother says that both your and our media are lying, I myself am not particularly enthusiastic about Solovyov’s programs. But a couple of years ago, my father went to a reunion of graduates and those who went to the funeral of relatives in the Donetsk region. admired the roads))). As I understand it, no one really thinks about people, they think for the territory, from you Omerikos, from the separatists of the Russian Federation.
                      4. Shiden
                        Shiden 12 February 2022 00: 21
                        -2
                        I don’t know when I served, the roads were roses. Do you understand the war.
                      5. Stepan S
                        Stepan S 13 February 2022 16: 17
                        0
                        Firstly, in Ukraine, such a mass psychosis in the media is not observed as in Russia

                        You obviously don’t watch or listen to the media, you just say this. I’m even now listening to your TV channel, they carry such things that it won’t fit into any head. Well, and at the expense of how you call the defenders of Donbass, but they call it nothing more than "Russian-terrorist troops." And everywhere you are at war with the Russian army, and you have a war with Russia, this is to amuse your pride, nothing else.
                      6. huntsman650
                        huntsman650 12 February 2022 00: 09
                        0
                        My grandfather told me that he was surrounded near Kiev, the Germans let go, those who are from the west, he said that he was a westerner and they let him go. Until the 44th, he lived under the Germans, after Korsun Shevchenkovskaya, the village was liberated and again called up.
                    2. Shiden
                      Shiden 12 February 2022 00: 38
                      -4
                      Quote: huntsman650
                      Here you personally nah ... went there, and if the Donetsk people came to you, you would

                      So you ask why I fumbled, they brought me up not to hide behind other people's backs. There are a lot of cheers for patriots who are for Russia, but when there were two Chechen companies they paid off or watched others die on TV. And I don’t need this mythical Russian world so that my descendants die and for the whims of someone like a Kremlin dreamer who imagines that his name would be in the history books.
                  2. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 12 February 2022 17: 03
                    +1
                    Go to Wikipedia and see the breakdown by region, which region transferred how much to the budget and how much it received back. Although you can not bother))) it is already clear who you are and where from))))
              2. huntsman650
                huntsman650 11 February 2022 23: 18
                0
                And during the Second World War there were defectors and traitors not happy with the authorities!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2022 19: 33
      +4
      "Glorious past

      From the USSR Air Defense Forces, the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the end of 1991 received 43 divisions of S-300PT / PS air defense systems and six S-300V divisions, 35 divisions of S-200 air defense systems, 23 divisions of Buk air defense systems, 29 divisions of S-125 air defense systems, 37 divisions S-75 air defense system, 27 divisions of the Krug air defense system, four divisions of the Kub air defense system. Apparently, in the early 1990s, Ukraine was second only to Russia in terms of ground air defense power. And in terms of air defense density per unit of territory, it confidently ranked first in the world.

      The army air defense had 24 Tor air defense systems, up to 150 Osa air defense systems, at least 160 Strela-10 air defense systems, up to a hundred Tunguska air defense systems, hundreds of Shilka air defense systems and ZU-23-2, thousands of MANPADS.

      In the first years of independence, old air defense systems (S-75M, S-125M, Krug, Kub) were sent for storage or disposal. Part of the S-300PT and quite modern S-300V and Tor were also withdrawn from the combat strength, since it was not possible to service them.

      When the Black Sea Fleet was divided in 1997, 18 Osa and 13 Strela-10 air defense systems went to Russia. At least one Buk division and six Osa air defense systems were transferred to Georgia. In addition, two Wasps were sold to Ecuador, one more was sold to the Republic of Korea, four Strela-10s went to Macedonia, and one Tunguska went to the USA.

      More than 350 Strela-2/3 and Igla MANPADS were distributed to different countries. For the manufacture of 52 BTR-94s based on the BTR-80 (for export to Jordan and the UAE), a similar number of Shiloks were dismantled (it was their guns that were installed on these armored personnel carriers). There is also information that Ukraine sold several S-300PT divisions to the DPRK, but they do not have exact confirmation.

      By 2014, the 174th anti-aircraft missile regiment (SRP) with five S-300PS divisions and the 55th air defense regiment with three Buk-M1 divisions remained in Crimea. And also, apparently, four Tunguskas. The battles in Donbass cost Ukraine two SOUs (a set of one battery) and three ROMs (a set of one division) of the Buk air defense system, three Wasps, two Strela-10s and two Tunguskas.

      Difficult present

      At present, the composition of the ground air defense of Ukraine is approximately the following.

      The Air Command "Center" has the 96th anti-aircraft missile brigade (zrbr) (Danilovka; three S-300PS and two S-300PT divisions, another S-300PT division is mothballed), the 156th air defense missile brigade (Zolotonosha; three divisions "Buk-M1") and the 210th SRP (Uman; two S-300V1 divisions). However, the 210th SRP, most likely, does not exist: its creation was planned in connection with the "resuscitation" of the S-300V, but never took place.

      Air Command "West" includes the 11th SRP (Shepetovka; four Buk-M1 battalions), 223rd SRP (Stryi; three Buk-M1 battalions and possibly one Strela-10 battalion), 540 th (Kamenka-Bugskaya; two S-300PT divisions, one more division is mothballed).

      Air Command "South" includes the 160th zrbrb (Odessa, Nikolaev; three divisions of S-300PS, another division may have been mothballed), the 201st zrbr (Pervomaisk; from two to five divisions of S-300PS, possibly one each S-300PT and S-300V divisions), 208th air defense brigade (Kherson; two S-300PT and PS divisions each, another S-300PT division may have been mothballed). Apparently, the only restored division of the S-300V is in the 201st srp, and the 210th srp has not been created.

      The Vostok Air Command includes the 138th air defense brigade (Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov; five or six S-300PT divisions) and the 301st air defense regiment (Nikopol; three S-300PS divisions).

      In total, therefore, there are 24–29 S-300P air defense divisions (11–13 PT, 13–16 PS), one or two S-300V divisions, and 10 Buk-M1 air defense divisions. In addition, up to nine Buk divisions, four or five divisions of S-300V air defense systems, up to nine divisions of S-300PT air defense systems, 12 divisions of S-200 air defense systems, and up to 20 divisions of S-125 air defense systems are in storage.

      According to the state, the S-300P division includes 12 launchers, the S-300V division - 24 launchers and 12 ROMs, the Buka division - six self-propelled guns and three ROMs. It is extremely difficult to say how many combat-ready launchers actually exist, what condition the radars are in, how many serviceable missiles are left. It is not a fact that even the command of the Ukrainian ZRV knows this.

      One division of the reanimated and modernized S-125-2D1 air defense system was received by the Ukrainian Navy, it is deployed in Ochakiv.

      Each of the operational commands of the ground forces has one air defense system, which includes five divisions of the Osa-AKM air defense system (four air defense systems in a division). In OK "West" this is the 39th SRP (Vladimir-Volynsky). In OK "North" - 1129th zrp (Bila Tserkva). In OK "South" - the 38th srp (New Odessa). In OK "Vostok" - 1039th srp (Guards). The resuscitation of the Tor air defense system is supposed.

      In total, the military air defense has up to 113 Osa air defense systems, up to 150 Strela-10 air defense systems (up to 24 Tor air defense systems in storage), at least 600 Igla MANPADS ("Strela-2" and at least 400 "Strela- 3" in storage), up to 90 ZRPK "Tunguska", up to 30 ZSU-23-4 "Shilka". In storage - at least 100 Shilok, up to 400 anti-aircraft guns S-60 (57 mm), up to 300 ZU-23-2 (23 mm). It is also very difficult to judge the serviceability of technology.

      It can only be said with certainty that all ground-based air defense equipment of Ukraine is Soviet-made. That is, to put it mildly, not very new. Nevertheless, formally its potential is quite large and theoretically it can create serious problems for Russian aviation. When compared with NATO member countries, only the United States, Greece, Turkey and Germany are comparable to Ukraine in terms of ground air defense power. Moreover, comparable does not mean stronger. This means - at times or even orders of magnitude weaker. That is, as part of NATO, ground-based air defense of Ukraine, apparently, would be second only to US air defense.

      On the other hand, it is enough to suppress the "three hundred" and "Buks" - and you can work from high and medium altitudes almost unhindered (neither "Osa-AKM", nor the early versions of the "Torah" reach above 6 km). In particular, from these heights it is possible to finish off military air defense, which will remove all restrictions.

      Moreover, to neutralize the S-300 and Buk, it is absolutely not necessary to knock out all of their elements, which the Russian command is well aware of."
  18. shonsu
    shonsu 11 February 2022 19: 37
    +3
    Katz offers to give up ...
    O! And think if the Ukrainians suddenly announce an attack and then surrender? But Russia never came.. And then what do we do with them? The whole world will moan again - feed the prisoners.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 11 February 2022 21: 35
      +2
      Quote: shonsu
      And think about if the Ukrainians suddenly announce an attack and then surrender?

      Pushing away with hands and feet from such "prisoners" !!! Let America surrender. Well, or, in extreme cases, Poland - that land will be glad. And the Polish lords never refused serfs.
  19. flicker
    flicker 11 February 2022 23: 15
    +2
    British observers in anticipation of the "imminent invasion" of Russian troops in Ukraine give advice to the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    Well done, they are already looking forward to a bloody spectacle.

    Or maybe the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should give advice to the British, they say, as soon as you see a Russian ship near the neutral waters of Britain, then immediately raise the white flag and shout: Queen Kaput! Johnson kaput! We won't do it again!
    The main thing is to shout in time and loudly - however, for the British it will not rust bully
  20. Nord11
    Nord11 12 February 2022 00: 08
    +3
    Without air defense systems, the lads can immediately wrap themselves in an embroidered sheet and start wanting without suffering for a long time ..
  21. huntsman650
    huntsman650 12 February 2022 00: 11
    +4
    An air defense officer lies in the field, he was not killed, zae ... and him)))
  22. riwas
    riwas 12 February 2022 09: 29
    +1
    As noted, the Independent Air Force can put up about 50 MiG-29 fighters and a little more than 30 Su-27s, as well as about a dozen Su-24 bombers and modernized Su-25 attack aircraft.

    If Ukraine attacks, the first thing Russia will do is to destroy aircraft at airfields and air defenses in position in order to have a "free hand".
  23. Nikolay Vladimirovich
    Nikolay Vladimirovich 12 February 2022 13: 45
    0
    Anglo-Saxons - warmongers! Nothing has begun yet, everyone is with their own people, and they are already painting scenarios for the war. Apparently they want to provoke themselves.
  24. Andrey Kuznetsov
    Andrey Kuznetsov 12 February 2022 18: 39
    0
    Geopolitics in capitalism is a struggle for influence in the world, a struggle for markets. The economies of the United States and China each account for 15-25% of the world economy, while Russia has 3%. The West is waging an information war, hurting Russia, is afraid to buy gas from us, only Russians take doping in sports. The Russian TV channels RT and Sputnik are openly persecuted in the US and Europe, and broadcasting of Russian channels is generally prohibited in Ukraine. This allows the West to lie to its population and to us and accuse Russia that it was not Germany that unleashed the Second World War, but the USSR. Of course, Germany unleashed the war, but propaganda does not need historical facts at all, its fuel is emotions. The West seeks to change the thinking of citizens, to make them the internal enemies of their state. The USSR collapsed precisely because of the information and psychological impact on Soviet citizens. The West invented and spread the lie that now Russia will start a war. Homosexuals are preparing for war with Russia, but they will not fight, the main thing is to sow fear and hatred for Russia. The information and psychological impact on the minds of people is the main tool of the vile and deceitful West in the geopolitical war that it has launched in the world against Russia.
  25. Borisych
    Borisych 13 February 2022 04: 00
    0
    Air defense should be calibrated, airplanes should be scanned, everything else should be tested by hurricanes and tornadoes, the government and Ze Buratinit personally.