“Useless metal structure”: the ISV SUV was criticized in the American edition with reference to the Pentagon

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The new light army assault vehicle is too small to carry fighters and cargo and is not able to demonstrate its effectiveness in a collision with an enemy of equal power, such as Russia and China, according to a report from the Pentagon's Operational Test and Evaluation (OT&E) unit.

The ISV SUV was created to provide increased mobility for the American infantry; it can also be used by combat teams of airborne and air assault brigades. However, according to a new study by OT&E published in January, the vehicle "lacks the ability to fire effectively, provide reliable communications, and protect an infantry squad."



Allegedly, during the testing of buggies on US military training grounds in March and August 2021, an ISV-equipped rifle company was unable to avoid enemy detection and in most cases fell into ambushes. Driving over rough and wooded terrain required a slowdown, which negated any element of surprise.

During the execution of training missions, the unit suffered numerous conditional losses.

- says the conclusions of OT&E.

As explained, during the tests, the low efficiency of the buggy led to the fact that the units preferred to dismount long before approaching the target. As a result, significant (conditional) losses were observed among the drivers and the equipment itself upon contact with the enemy.

The new army assault vehicle is a useless metal structure

- noted in the American edition of Task & Purpose, citing officials at the Pentagon.

The OT&E report details significant shortcomings of the ISV, from the vehicle's lack of armor to the fighters' inability to obtain personal weapon due to crowding and difficulties when loading / unloading from the car in full gear. Therefore, the soldiers became "easy prey in ambushes."

Places for soldiers are cramped and uncomfortable. More than 60% of fighters expressed dissatisfaction with the ride comfort of the ISV

- indicated in the conclusions of OT&E.

Despite these problems, the army does not intend to abandon the purchase of ISV. In June 2020, a $214,3 million contract was awarded to GM Defense for the production of 649 off-road vehicles for infantry, with plans to acquire up to 2065 vehicles over eight years.

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  1. NAP
    -3
    28 January 2022 17: 12
    Well, nothing surprising, it has long been known that buggies in combat units have proven themselves not from the best side, of such light and maneuverable vehicles for combat units, pit bikes are best suited, the only negative before buggies is the impossibility of installing weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers
    1. +5
      28 January 2022 20: 22
      Quote from N.A.P.
      it has long been known that buggies in combat units have proven themselves not from the best far side

      Well, if you scold the buggy for the fact that it is "and not an MBT and not an armored personnel carrier and not an infantry fighting vehicle" when used within this framework, then it will be so ... but here the questions are more for the command and people, and not for the buggy. Unfortunately, not everyone understands where and how ISVs and similar machines are needed, and "manuals" from other machines are not suitable.
  2. +3
    28 January 2022 17: 16
    Over 3 million a piece. However, it's good to be rich.
    1. 0
      28 January 2022 20: 19
      330k each laughing
  3. +1
    28 January 2022 17: 18
    In the conditions of the North, Siberia, etc., the thing is completely useless. And you won’t see it near the amers in Alaska, or on the shores of Ontario. Happy weekend to you.
    1. +3
      28 January 2022 17: 47
      Then, the Yankees will sell these kalymags to all sorts of Ukrainians, at the price of a light tank laughing
    2. -1
      29 January 2022 13: 16
      In the conditions of the North and Siberia for sure! Mosquitoes and gnats will eat! Closed cabin needed! laughing
    3. +1
      30 January 2022 04: 15
      In the conditions of the North, Siberia, etc., the thing is completely useless.
      In the conditions of the North and Siberia for sure! Mosquitoes and gnats will eat! Closed cabin needed!
      And the men don’t know laughing (With) . And we are fools in Chukotka, we have been driving them for 15 years. I calmly go hunting on my Polaris up to -20.
      PiSi. And I have a removable cabin on it .....
  4. +6
    28 January 2022 17: 18
    The new light army assault vehicle is too small to carry fighters and cargo and is not able to demonstrate its effectiveness in a collision with an enemy of equal power, such as Russia and China,
    An opponent of equal power will also ride a buggy? The effectiveness of the use of equipment depends on the competence of the command and the training of personnel. If the car is not equipped with a dry closet, this does not mean that it is not suitable for combat operations. Anything is useful when it is in a line.
  5. +5
    28 January 2022 17: 23
    “Useless metal structure”: the ISV SUV was criticized in the American edition with reference to the Pentagon
    . And now what? If they criticize her, ours need her, is this a pepelats to do ???
    The Germans also cut through on motorcycles for the time being, for the time being, and then ... you can see the chronicles, it is instructive.
    1. -5
      28 January 2022 17: 26
      Quote: rocket757
      The Germans also cut through on motorcycles for the time being, for the time being,

      Tribalts are still dissecting on lisapeds laughing
      1. -1
        28 January 2022 17: 29
        The locals, it generally sucks ... spit and forget.
        1. -3
          28 January 2022 17: 35
          Quote: rocket757
          The locals, it generally sucks complete.

          Well nalo relax, joke
          1. +1
            28 January 2022 17: 40
            We now ... need to relax, take a shovel and go dig out the garage door!!!
            Benefits for both health and spirit.
            1. -1
              28 January 2022 17: 42
              Quote: rocket757
              We now ... need to relax, take a shovel and go dig out the garage door!!!
              Benefits for both health and spirit.

              So there is no garage as well as cars laughing
              1. +1
                28 January 2022 17: 50
                Without a car, we can't get to work by public transport.
                Alas and ah, not those times when official transport delivers home.
                1. -1
                  28 January 2022 17: 59
                  Quote: rocket757
                  We can't do without a car

                  I never had a car. I'm afraid to drive. I will not tell you why, but believe me, the reason is significant
                  public transport, to work, not reachable.

                  I `m a pensioner. Sore legs. I spend 99% of my time at home. Even the dog walks alone smile
                  1. +1
                    28 January 2022 18: 08
                    I am also retired, but for now I can and work.
                    There will be a replacement of equipment, there will be a revision of the states, then ...
                    1. -1
                      28 January 2022 18: 15
                      Quote: rocket757
                      I am also retired, but for now I can and work.

                      But I can not. Trouble with feet
                      Yes, and the pressure is weird. Sometimes I go to the toilet, my head is spinning and I fall
                      When it's good and when it's not
                      I broke my arm once. Offset
                      1. +1
                        28 January 2022 20: 57
                        You can talk, but not here. Mark and put in a corner.
                      2. -2
                        28 January 2022 21: 07
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Mark and put in a corner.

                        Yes, it's too late. Someone to celebrate. Yes, and not such a big violation. Scold a little and let go)
                      3. 0
                        28 January 2022 21: 22
                        Still not pleasant. Well, they, and so there are enough "likes" ...
                      4. -3
                        28 January 2022 21: 22
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Well, they, and so there are enough "likes" ...

                        Well then calm down hi
      2. -1
        28 January 2022 18: 12
        Ha! Yes, even the Swiss


        Strange, of course, for the army, but useful, economical, and still no one attacks.
        Lisaped troops. Sounds!
        1. 0
          28 January 2022 21: 03
          That's right, no one attacks!
          And it's really good for health.
    2. +2
      28 January 2022 18: 16
      we need it, is it pepelats to do ???
      - if I'm not mistaken, our already similar pepelats are doing ....
      1. 0
        28 January 2022 21: 01
        It was, they wrote about that ... that's why I asked such a question.
        Where do we need such a pepelats ???
        1. +1
          28 January 2022 21: 47
          This is not a combat vehicle, but a patrol vehicle. Or for intelligence.
          In any clash, they immediately dismount from it,
          and the driver drives her a little back to a safe place.
          I've ridden a lot of these open cars.
          1. 0
            29 January 2022 08: 33
            In general, it is not universal, not everywhere and not always, especially in our conditions ... it is not necessary to do this yourself. If necessary, you can buy on the side.
          2. -1
            29 January 2022 11: 32
            Quote: voyaka uh
            In any clash, they immediately dismount from it,
            and the driver drives her a little back to a safe place.

            In theory.
            In practice, there are big problems with dismounting:
            The OT&E report details the significant shortcomings of the ISV, from the vehicle's lack of armor to the impossibility of fighters to get personal weapons due to crowding and difficulties when loading / unloading from a car in full gear.

            As explained, during the tests, the low efficiency of the buggy led to the fact that the units preferred to dismount long before approaching the target.
            1. +2
              29 January 2022 12: 08
              "In theory.
              In practice, there are big problems with dismounting "///
              ----
              It takes a lot of practice. We had a standard - a few seconds.
              Everyone jumped in different directions and rolled koloboks laughing
              When I remember, I shudder. How did they not break their necks?
              When I got older in the reserve, I couldn’t do that anymore.
              The bones are not...
              And they left me on the turret. When the others were jumping, I
              mowed for 10 seconds (blindly) from a machine gun through the bushes. A
              then he jumped down carefully and shot the spare from behind
              hand gun. And crawled to the rest, who already
              distributed in chains lying down.
              Oh, youth... where are you? sad
              1. -1
                29 January 2022 14: 57
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Everyone jumped in different directions and rolled koloboks laughing
                When I remember, I shudder. How did they not break their necks?

          3. 0
            29 January 2022 12: 18
            This vehicle is positioned as the main combat vehicle of the rifle squad for the 82nd airborne division, 101st airborne division and US airborne division.
            In addition to it - new armored jeeps 4-seater.
            1. +2
              29 January 2022 12: 21
              Transport means.
              Even in an armored personnel carrier with bulletproof armor, no one in their right mind
              does not go into battle. They dismount.
              1. 0
                29 January 2022 17: 45
                Yes, it is clear that on such an overgrown Polaris you can only move OUTSIDE of the battle. However, the absence of at least some anti-fragmentation and bulletproof armor, in the current conditions, makes this doubtful. It is one thing for special forces in sabotage and reconnaissance operations, and another thing for "linear" battalions of light infantry ...
                And besides, the car turned out to be clearly cramped for 9 people. Yes, even with equipment.
  6. 0
    28 January 2022 18: 17
    unable to demonstrate their effectiveness in a collision with an enemy of equal power, such as Russia and China

    Despite these problems, the army does not intend to abandon the purchase of ISV.

    So, as usual, they are going to nightmare an enemy that is not equivalent in power. request
  7. +2
    28 January 2022 18: 30
    Well, xs, I drove a UTV-shke from Polaris, it’s quite a suitable machine, reliable, and it’s not clear what requirements the Yankees have.
    What do they want in an open maneuverable wheelbarrow of armor protection like an infantry fighting vehicle? laughing
  8. -1
    28 January 2022 20: 21
    330k per piece is expensive and any buggy is not for assault units in the army, perhaps for raid groups, reconnaissance of the territory, but even then not against any enemy
  9. 0
    28 January 2022 20: 22
    From the Yankees, in this example, it would be nice to adopt the methodology for evaluating technology, we would have fewer primitive design solutions, our designers sometimes sin with simplification and primitivism. The example with the tower from the BTR-60, which migrated almost unchanged to the BTR-70/80 and BRDM-2, is especially indicative, neither you have an electric drive, nor a hatch on the tower. Here attention is even paid to the possibility of getting weapons.
  10. -1
    29 January 2022 10: 10
    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    Quote from N.A.P.
    it has long been known that buggies in combat units have proven themselves not from the best far side

    Well, if you scold the buggy for the fact that it is "and not an MBT and not an armored personnel carrier and not an infantry fighting vehicle" when used within this framework, then it will be so ... but here the questions are more for the command and people, and not for the buggy. Unfortunately, not everyone understands where and how ISVs and similar machines are needed, and "manuals" from other machines are not suitable.

    Are they really needed? belay
  11. -1
    29 January 2022 10: 16
    Quote: voyaka uh
    This is not a combat vehicle, but a patrol vehicle. Or for intelligence.
    In any clash, they immediately dismount from it,
    and the driver drives her a little back to a safe place.
    I've ridden a lot of these open cars.

    For intelligence? And what means of reconnaissance does it have? Or just bring foot reconnaissance to the enemy? And how does intelligence know where the enemy is, if it has not been there yet? From a drone? Then why even foot reconnaissance? In general, a worthless thing in intelligence bully
  12. -1
    29 January 2022 10: 31
    In one of the specialized editions of the uselessness of "special light vehicles on a buggy-type chassis" an entire article was devoted to where, according to the results of military tests, everything was sorted out. I neighed like a horse when the manufacturer's representative wrote in the act that "unlike It is easier to leave armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles "buggies" during shelling. "But he was very surprised and annoyed when he found out that armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not have to leave during shelling :) Well, there are many more "advantages" suitable for filming militants, but not real military operations. But fashionable "trends" worked. And at the last exercises "West-2021" the LSTS-1943 "Sarmat-2" was clearly lit up ...
  13. 0
    29 January 2022 11: 01
    Will go hunting and fishing :))