In Donetsk and Lugansk, they named the weapons that the republics need

Donetsk and Lugansk welcome the initiative to supply weapons to the republics and, if a positive decision is made, would like to strengthen air defense and electronic warfare.

The people's republics of Donbass may request from Russia electronic warfare systems, anti-aircraft systems and rocket artillery installations. Reportedly "News" referring to sources in the republics, we are talking about the Zhitel electronic warfare system, the modernized Osa-AKM anti-aircraft systems and the modernized Grad-M or Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS).

According to the military leadership of the republics, the supply of precisely these systems will make it possible to better counter the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event that the conflict enters an active phase.

As the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin said earlier, the republics are mainly concerned about Drones, including Turkish Bayraktars. The republics do not have the means to deal with shock drones. According to experts, the use of electronic warfare systems and anti-aircraft systems will not allow Kyiv to freely use UAVs.

However, the weapon Donetsk and Lugansk will receive only if its supplies are approved. According to presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin is aware of United Russia's proposal to start supplying arms to the Donbass, but no final decision has been made at the moment.

Recall that the United Russia party came up with the initiative to start supplying weapons to the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass against the backdrop of Kiev being pumped with Western weapons. According to the head of the United Russia faction in the State Duma, Vladimir Vasiliev, the weapons supplied by the United States eventually appear in the Donbass, where they are used against the republics.

Comments

[Murmur 55]

So let's see what happens, REAL help or raising the stakes in the game with the USA.

[Troll]

Are you taking EP "weakly"? Strongly!
In fact, weapons are supplied and delivered there even without this statement. And the President of the Russian Federation spoke about this several years ago. And in this case, talking about the supply is just verbal rhetoric.

[The black]

Gotta help!!!! In principle, the Russian Federation does not even need to invent any schemes for supplies. Purely relying on the traditional international practice of such deliveries.
For example, the United States does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan; The US does not de jure recognize Taiwan.
However, we read:
"The Pentagon reported that the State Department approved the sale to Taiwan of 40 units of 155-mm M109A6 self-propelled howitzer artillery systems in the amount of $ 750 million. This was reported back in August by Reuters."

[210ox]

"We must help!" We have been helping since 2014... Yes, quietly. And the international practice of deliveries in this case is completely out of place. Do you think the miners dug up tanks, artillery, etc.? For two army corps. Supply structure. I think "Osa AKM" is not a relevant thing. EW is needed. Only with appropriate support. And then there DRG feel like at home.

[The black]

Do you think the miners dug up tanks, artillery, etc.?

No, I do not think so.

We have been helping since 2014... Yes, on the sly

Now, after the appeal of the LDNR for help, this must be done openly. Quiet or not, the cries of the West will be in any case. But there will be no malicious squealing of liberals that we have thrown the Donbass.

[210ox]

Well, then we must admit that we lied. And we are parties to the conflict. The Minsk agreements (I have a negative attitude towards them) will go to hell. And they are an important instrument of pressure on Kiev. It will make you feel better if we loudly say yes! We supply weapons there! For me personally, no. Everything you need goes there. Quiet, but moving on. Specialists, weapons

[The black]

Well, then we must admit that we lied

Dmitry, why admit or not admit what happened? ... We are talking about the present tense. It is clear that we will help in any case. BUT!!! If we do this openly, then firstly this is a real political response to the West, and secondly

there will be no malicious squealing of liberals that we have thrown the Donbass.

[210ox]

I think that this decision will be possible and made in the next month. In light of the response to the Russian demand.

[Alex777]

Quote: 210ox

I think that this decision will be possible and made in the next month. In light of the response to the Russian demand.

Exactly. In the meantime, preparations are underway.
There were no air defense systems like TOR and Pantsir in the LDNR.
Their appearance will show everything. And calm down, of course.

[Alex777]

Our "fans" perked up with minuses ...

[210ox]

And the dog is with them. They graze here, squealing

[neri73-r]

Quote: 210ox

Well, then we must admit that we lied. And we are parties to the conflict. The Minsk agreements (I have a negative attitude towards them) will go to hell. And they are an important instrument of pressure on Kiev. It will make you feel better if we loudly say yes! We supply weapons there! For me personally, no. Everything you need goes there. Quiet, but moving on. Specialists, weapons

I agree with you, but it is not necessary to supply it ourselves, for example, we will approve supplies from South Ossetia, Abkhazia, etc.

[Barge_watchman]

Totally agree.
Legal supply of weapons. - and you can not even "recognize", an unambiguous exit from M-2. "side of the conflict" with all the consequences.
Local hamsters do not understand this.

[AUL]

Quote: 210ox

Well, then we must admit that we lied.

You don't have to admit to anything! You just need to build a logical sequence of actions, and not twitch, like on a fire in a brothel during a flood.
At the moment officially we recognize the LDNR as an integral part of Ukraine. Therefore, the offer of assistance with weapons sounds like an offer of arms supplies specifically to Ukraine. And it is precisely in those points where Kiev will indicate. Do we need it? Therefore, before deciding on the supply of weapons, it is necessary:
1. Officially leave their squalor under the name "Minsk-2".
2. Recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR (it is better if, as a single republic, there will be fewer clumsiness and jambs).
3. Decide on the issue of military assistance, or mutual assistance, or any other form of military interaction between our states.
4. After that, you can raise the issue of joining the republics in the Russian Federation.
If it will Political will, the first two points can be completed in a week - ten days. During the same days, you can prepare (legally, for adoption in a day, and organizational and material) the 3rd paragraph. In this way, the government will be able to act without conflicting with its own laws and regulations!

[paul3390]

At the moment, we officially recognize the LDNR as an integral part of Ukraine

Because 8 years ago - the Russian Federation did the greatest stupidity. It was necessary to recognize Donbass as real Ukraine, and Banderlogs as separatists and putschists! Moreover, we had an absolutely legitimate Ukrainian president in our hands .. Eh - they flushed such an opportunity down the toilet .. Now what really ..

[210ox]

This stupidity (we read here, we don’t read here) comes around. And it will go around for a very long time. Recognition of the LDNR with appropriate actions at the moment is possible only in case of extreme tension. After that, it remains only to fight. And not only with banderlogs. A lot of garbage will pour in there.

[Alex777]

Then, in 2014, more could not be done.
There was no BLM and the flight of the States from Afghanistan yet.
Now is the time for decisive steps.

[210ox]

The question is moot. Road spoon to dinner. When the "boilers" were brewing and the soldiers went to Mariupol .. However, I understood you

[Grits]

Quote from AUL

Recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR

Few argue with this point. But they don’t say anywhere where the borders of these republics will pass?

[tralflot1832]

Moreover, the OSCE observers were expelled from the border in December, they did not understand this message at the end of last year! Direct deliveries from us are hindered by the Minsk agreements, lethal weapons, Germany and France do not supply.

[businessv]

Quote: 210ox

Do you think the miners dug up tanks, artillery, etc.? For two army corps. Supply structure.

And you obviously think that there is nothing left in the most armed western former Soviet republic? More than 700 units of heavy armored vehicles were stored in one former personnel unit of Donbass alone! Unfortunately, this part was later squeezed out to the Ukrainian side, but there was a lot of what the LDNR had left. The article deals with modern systems, which are critically lacking!

[V means B]

Well, we are not Anglo-Saxons, we are always strictly in accordance with mp and mp.))))) Hello to all minus players)))))

[Murmur 55]

Troll that the weapon was supplied is not a question, the question is what kind of weapon ?! From a mortar al RPG, Bayraktar cannot be shot down, and Ukraine has this trump card, and Azerbaijan demonstrated the effectiveness of shock drones (in the absence of air defense). So I wrote about REAL help.

[Troll]

Help is available right from the start. Both on the military fronts and on the diplomatic ones. Well, against the purchased shock PSUs that appeared, they probably already brought something suitable. Delivered unannounced.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Help is available right from the start.

..... there was help, but hardly military .. maybe something was brought in .. but, it is worth noting that on the then territory of the Donetsk region there were a dime a dozen military warehouses and warehouses of civil defense, and there was just nothing ... one thing only the mention of a fire in a warehouse in Novobogdanovka is impressive when it vomited for 3 days, so that within a radius of 4 km, settlements were abundantly showered with fragments and shells of ammunition .. therefore, when the DPR militia already took them under control, then they began to appear not a rarity, but quite lethal weapons ... well, the wholesale extraction of armaments of the APU has begun ... one of the examples, the appearance of tanks .. and mind you .. this is not the T-72, but the T-64, which is in service with the APU ...

[210ox]

I know for sure that in the LDNR there were (are) counter-battery systems. In the summer of 2014, we were driving from home (Kuban) to Moscow. In the Rostov region, military trains with equipment, columns on the roads towards Donetsk (Rostov region). Yes, and from Kamyshin the military was there on a rotational basis. It's not a secret to anybody.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In the Rostov region, military trains with equipment, columns on the roads towards Donetsk (Rostov region).

... it was they who went to us in the Crimea ... sorry I don’t know how to insert the video into the comments

[210ox]

Through Rostov Donetsk? I just live nearby and I know which road leads where. Echelons were going to the Crimea at that time to Novorossiysk. Well, aviation. Helicopters flew from Korenovsk

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Through Rostov Donetsk?

... well, the area is such that it would be necessary to strengthen protection for the "White Kamaz" .. when we connected to them in the Kamensk-Shakhtinsk region, we saw an accumulation of military equipment closer to the border, but there is no way to say that they crossed the border ...

[Grits]

Quote: Murmur 55

From a mortar al RPG, Bayraktar cannot be shot down, and Ukraine has this trump card, and Azerbaijan demonstrated the effectiveness of strike drones (in the absence of air defense

Then why are the republics asking for "Osa", if they perfectly saw how the Azerbaijani "tractors" threshed "Os" without any strain to the right and left?

[lopvlad]

Quote: Troll

In fact, weapons are supplied and supplied there even without this statement. And the President of the Russian Federation spoke about this several years ago.

link to the video where Putin says that Russia supplies weapons to the Donbass.

[Troll]

I can only recall that to one of the questions of a journalist from one of the liberal publications, about the supply of weapons by Russia to the Donbas, he answered literally the following: If in a conflict, one of the warring parties begins to supply weapons and instructors, then the other side too will supply arms. So it was and will be.
It was about five years ago. Look for yourself.

[Cananecat]

Quote: lopvlad

link to the video where Putin says that Russia supplies weapons to the Donbass

What is the link, the main thing for them is to throw it on the fan.

[Letun]

Quote: Troll

In fact, weapons are supplied and supplied there even without this statement.

I doubt that air defense systems were supplied

[210ox]

Arrow is there. But this is a short-range military air defense, and the old one is from the 70s

[Romario_Argo]

I also doubt that they will put something modern,
only if really Osa-AKM from storage bases
for example, Tor-M1 air defense systems are being replaced by Tor-M2, but again, Tor-M1 is patched up by other gaps that have arisen due to the creation of new divisions
here with OTRK Tochku-U, there are more chances, they are all replaced by Iskanders, and all brigade complexes of OTRK Tochku-U at storage bases

[Kapkan]

In fact, weapons are supplied and supplied there even without this statement. And the President of the Russian Federation spoke about this several years ago.

Oh, and you can reference a proof, otherwise I somehow missed this wonderful information.

[Troll]

Listen to his speeches more attentively. Also, read the discussions on the forums more carefully. I have already answered your request.
Look here: https://youtu.be/TLRSWO3plss
If not, then look for yourself. He spoke about Donbass and help more than once.

[Kapkan]

Listened carefully, never heard. For it would be an information bomb that changes the whole alignment.
I read your reply and laughed. This statement by Putin, even in your interpretation, has nothing to do with official deliveries. It was, apparently, an absolutely figurative statement, the president's reasoning that, they say, "this is how the world works."
As I understand it, you like to tell who and what to do, and so, work harder next time to provide more reliable data for your loud statements.

[Troll]

Do not get personal and you will be answered. And so .. to ignore.

[Kapkan]

Yep... good luck!

[ksan]

As for weapons, I also think this is an "official" response to Amer's deliveries + the Communist Party of the Russian Federation demanded to raise the issue of recognizing the LDNR and the United Russia, in order to save face, it was necessary to offer something, to seize the initiative. And what is needed is for the Donbas to hold out until the "North Wind" blows, I think that's how it is delivered.

[1976AG]

Quote: Murmur 55

So let's see what happens, REAL help or raising the stakes in the game with the USA.

Real help can be different. You can supply weapons, or you can intervene yourself if there is an act of aggression, or you can do both options at once.

[aszzz888]

The people's republics of Donbass may request from Russia electronic warfare systems, anti-aircraft systems and rocket artillery installations. According to Izvestia, citing sources in the republics, we are talking about the Zhitel electronic warfare system, modernized Osa-AKM anti-aircraft systems and modernized Grad-M or Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) .

Yes, and "Tor M2" must be thrown up without fail. It won't hurt at all!

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: aszzz888

Yes, and "Tor M2" must be thrown up without fail.

for sure - this is the best short-range complex in its class

[abrakadabre]

Yes, and "Tor M2" must be thrown up without fail.

Yes. And a dozen calibers. Immediately through the decision-making centers in Kiev.

[Barge_watchman]

And who are you going to shoot down there?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barge_watchman

And who are you going to shoot down there?

If Ukraine decides to conduct a military operation there, then, in addition to attack drones, it can also use its aviation (not in perfect condition, but Ukraine still has aviation). Knowing about the presence of good air defense in the DPR and LPR can prevent these raids (well, if not, then let them blame themselves)

[Barge_watchman]

(well, if not, then let them blame themselves)

I will upset you - civilian planes have been flying around the "republics" for a long time.
Why would it?
so that ....

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barge_watchman

I will upset you - civilian planes have been flying around the "republics" for a long time.
Why would it?
so that ....

[Barge_watchman]

The Dutch don't agree with you...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barge_watchman

The Dutch don't agree with you...

So the perpetrator was appointed immediately, and not as a result of investigations. The truth of the Dutch is not interested.

[Barge_watchman]

Too obvious.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Barge_watchman

The Dutch do not agree with you ..

And Malaysia disagrees with the Dutch! For the Russian plane shot down over the World Cup, you also had to be divided from head to ass.

[Barge_watchman]

This is their prime minister, blurted out something? so he was fired.
And you share.
By the way, the plane was shot down by a rocket from Cape Opuk. Those who need it know who fired that day. The Israelis know for sure, and therefore they have no claims against Ukraine.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Barge_watchman

And who are you going to shoot down there?

Nazi rust, from a rusted outskirts barge!

[75 Sergey]

How would I put it mildly, so as not to offend?!
The fact is that any systems such as electronic warfare, air defense, etc., also need trained people who have been trained, trained, have experience and honed skills, who know these systems like the back of their hand, as well as maintenance personnel and repairmen.
You can't learn in one day.
We trained specialists from the LPR and DPR, did they participate in the exercises? If yes, then you can, and if not, why not?

[just exp]

for complex complexes with "vacationers" are needed.

[Murmur 55]

I think that the North wind may blow again, by the way, in 2008 there was not even a mention of Crimea or Donbass, but this did not stop Kiev from helping Tbilisi with air defense systems along with the crew, and it's time to return DEBTS.

[Barge_watchman]

Air defense systems were there long BEFORE.
Don't touch the owl.

[75 Sergey]

A tuft of hair on a bald head is visible behind your comments, and trousers with embroidery.

[Barge_watchman]

After visual hallucinations, they say, tactile ones follow - as if you are being pinched for the stern.
not yet?

[Mikhail Sidorov]

No one will transfer Reb, air defense without specialists. Again "vacationers", apparently, although, in my opinion, this is already a passed stage.

[The black]

The fact is that any systems such as electronic warfare, air defense, etc., still need trained people who have been trained,

Sergey, yes, but in principle, modern electronic warfare systems can cover Luhansk and Donetsk without even crossing the border.

[75 Sergey]

I don’t know the range, but I’m sure that it’s better to block not over, but also outside the protected area

[riwas]

modern electronic warfare equipment can cover Lugansk and Donetsk without even crossing the border.

So it looks like it's already been done.
https://topwar.ru/191548-minoborony-usilivaet-vozmozhnosti-radiojelektronnoj-borby-v-prigranichnyh-s-ukrainoj-oblastjah.html

[ksan]

If they decide to send, then volunteers-"specialists" and "vacationers" will immediately be found, this is already a technical issue.

[Barge_watchman]

Come on. Tractor drivers, having come from the field, immediately sat down at the driver, and the miners became snipers, anti-llerists, rocket launchers ... just spit.

[75 Sergey]

Well, at least not pregnant women, like you

[Barge_watchman]

Carefully reviewed the photo. Have not found...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Barge_watchman

Carefully reviewed the photo. Have not found...

Where? Where? V .......!!!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barge_watchman

Come on. Tractor drivers, having come from the field, immediately sat down at the driver, and the miners became snipers, anti-llerists, rocket launchers ... just spit.

And among the population of the DPR and LPR, there are absolutely no people who served in the army and will finally see all this equipment live, and not on TV.

[Barge_watchman]

Did you serve in the SA? exactly...
You would know that a guy from the Donbass is more difficult to meet in the ranks than a Muscovite.
As an acquaintance of the military commissar told me, - "by the age of 18, or a reservation from the mine, or a complete drunk."
Yes, and I remember a certain Dorzho Batomunkuev ... have you heard? "You are Buryat-how-I-glad"...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barge_watchman

Did you serve in the SA? exactly...

That is, in the militia, from the locals, only young people who did not serve in the Army?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Barge_watchman

you are drilled-as-I-glad"...

Shoigu, also a Buryat, but he was baptized and quite often visited the Lugansk region (now LNRwhere his grandmother lived. Buryat ancestors revere and consider these places sacred. In contrast to Zelinos Golokhvostov, who laid on the grave of his grandfather, a veteran of the Second World War and Svinoherd Danilov, who abandoned his mother in Lugansk, who receives a pension from the LPR and respectfully meets and accepts handouts from Shariy. Your nationalist pack, with a native Russian by birth, is rootless and should become childless!

[lopvlad]

Quote: 75Sergey

The fact is that any systems such as electronic warfare, air defense, etc., also need trained people who have been trained, trained, have experience and honed skills, who know these systems like the back of their hand, as well as maintenance personnel and repairmen.

and what prevented for 8 years of the war for these complexes to be trained in Russia by militias from the DPR? After all, Putin did not deny that there are Russian military instructors in the Donbass, so why could the militias not be trained to manage these complexes in Russia?
After all, this is not a "one-day" conflict, as in 2008, when Yushchenko removed Buki from duty in Ukraine along with combat crews and sent him to Georgia to kill Russians (precisely Russians, since there was no aviation in South Ossetia)

[olhon]

Yes, everything has already been decided. It's so... Political games.

[rocket757]

According to presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin is aware of United Russia's proposal to start supplying arms to the Donbass, but no final decision has been made at the moment.

. "giraffe" is big, but he will have to think, he will have to calculate everything.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

The supply of weapons to the LDNR is, of course, good. But this again does not solve the strategic issue with Bandera Ukraine. Again, there will be endless blood and tactical successes.

[alone]

I wonder how Pishulin is going to shoot down a drone from the OSA AKM, which can rise to a height of, say, 7500m, and the Wasp missile is only effective up to 5000 meters?
Either Pishulin has bad military advisers (which, of course, I strongly doubt), or is it all said in order to say something about supplies

[Charik]

it turns out that Thor will not help much, at least Buk?

[alone]

Quote: Charik

it turns out that Thor will not help much, at least Buk?

TB 2 has a maximum height of 8200m ... it can not always remain at this height, but the limit of 7500-8000m is not a problem for it .. Relatively recently, a year and a half ago, the whole world saw that the OSA AKMs were simply helpless in front of the drummers. Each air defense system has its own limit .. for OSA AKM it is 5000m ..

[Charik]

so what are we talking about, that only Buk (at least) can UAVs be removed?

[alone]

Quote: Charik

Beech (at least) can the UAV be removed?

SAM 9m338k SAM Tor-2M is capable of hitting a target at an altitude of up to 10000m.
It is strange that, knowing the height ceiling of the enemy strikers, the Commander-in-Chief of the DPR named exactly the system that is just not able to fight them.

[Charik]

the height of the defeat is also important, as is the reaction time - Thor will be faster than the Wasp, but also the range, depending on what the weapons on the UAV have, or even Thor may not help

[alone]

Quote: Charik

the height of the defeat is also important, as is the reaction time - Thor will be faster than the Wasp, but also the range, depending on what the weapons on the UAV have, or even Thor may not help

Of course .. In general, it’s inappropriate to fight alone with some air defense systems against a striker .. sooner or later they will destroy the air defense system ..

[alone]

The cons are, of course, good, I don’t see anything wrong with that .. But the question remained unanswered ..

[Crimean partisan 1974]

can it rise to a height of, say, 7500m, and the Wasp SAM is only effective up to 5000 meters?

maybe .. but without a load, but with a nominal load not higher than 5 km .. not to mention a full load .... and without a load, who needs it .. so it will burn fuel and fly away ...
but the members of the forum don’t underestimate about MANPADS in vain .... MANPADS Needle in the Armed Forces of the DPR is in abundance ... the performance characteristics indicate that the interception height is 3500 meters, the range is 4500 ... but this is at maximum range ... but if you push up on the range is a kilometer, then the height will increase significantly to 5 km .... well, for example, "July 2, 2014 - Su-24 was shot down near Lisichansk, reached the base, but burned out on the runway. ".... it was a reconnaissance version Su-24 ... that is, he was not rinsed with low-level flights ... that is, he was at a decent height ... therefore, at 14, the militia had no other than MANPADS and ZU-23-2 ... !!!! and even a couple of Carcasses of unmanned reconnaissance aircraft were shot down, which also do not fly low ...... so like this

[yuriy55]

Recall that the United Russia party came up with the initiative to start supplying weapons to the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass against the backdrop of Kiev being pumped with Western weapons.

Recall that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation came up with the initiative to recognize the republics. It is precisely such recognition that would make it possible to conclude a collective security treaty on legal grounds and send specialists of the RF Armed Forces for high-quality training on the spot of the people's militia personnel and effective use of the supplied weapons.

[Pulkovo1942]

the party of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation

Most likely, the Communist Party just got wind of the plans of the United Russia and decided to seize the initiative.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

Most likely, the Communist Party just got wind of the plans of the United Russia and decided to seize the initiative.

Tell us how you can seize the initiative from the Duma majority, who single-handedly churns out laws?
It's EP trying to put the cart before the horse...

[Rusticolus]

I think the comrade is talking specifically about this law. They heard in the smoking room what they were going to submit for consideration and adoption, and quickly concocted about the same. And then they will say, well, look, we were the first to propose and in the end it was accepted with minor changes.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Rusticolus

And then they will say, well, look, we were the first to propose and in the end it was accepted with minor changes.

Aha
Have you brought these arguments on the basis of the adopted pension law? Or the accepted 20% VAT? Or read out in the smoking room and on the bench amendments to the constitution?
What did Edro expect when Putin indexes pensions at 8,6%?
They are waiting, Choli's mother ... They are waiting for the term of their stay in the Duma to end so that they can receive pension supplements legalized by themselves ...

[75 Sergey]

I agree, Zyu is a conjuncturer, he is far from Anpilov, but he doesn’t have one.

[Prisoner]

I hope everything that is required is prepared. Locomotives under steam and waiting for the go-ahead. If they get off with general phrases and moral support, it will be a complete kirdyk to the remnants of the authority of power, which is already very illusory.

[riwas]

The people's republics of Donbass may request from Russia electronic warfare systems, anti-aircraft systems and rocket artillery installations. According to Izvestia, citing sources in the republics, we are talking about the Zhitel electronic warfare system, modernized Osa-AKM anti-aircraft systems and modernized Grad-M or Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) .

It's clear. First of all, they need a weapon that they already know, and the rest must be learned.

[75 Sergey]

As soon as Ze climbs into the LPR / DPR and their affairs are bad, then Russia immediately gets into a conflict, for which, at best, countries that have territorial claims to Ukraine, under the guise of "military" assistance to your regime, will bring their contingents there, those. actually occupy its territory. And since with Russia, they are unlikely to go into direct confrontation, then they will remain behind them.
So say hello to Poland and Hungary first of all.

[Barge_watchman]

And if it doesn't fit?
And hello, of course. Are you aware that NATO unanimously, unanimously, all 30 countries signed the "Response to the Kremlin"? Poland and Hungary - too ... Oh, even Croatia!

[Kaufman]

And where is that document with signatures?

[Barge_watchman]

Banned on Google?
Look for Russian media, there are a lot of links. It seems that I saw it on Rosbalt, I haven’t read the Tape for a long time.
By the way. And why did you drag Poland-Hungary, what is it about?

[just exp]

yes banned, we are in cheburnet, the whole world is closed to us, give links, foreign links cheburnet allows to watch.

[Barge_watchman]

Come on, the TOR was closed to you, what links ?!

[just exp]

so there will be links or not?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Yes, you will wipe yourself with your collective document. And you know it very well. Here to sell you a weapon, yes, they can. But not at all for free.

[Baloo]

probably that's not all. Equipment for anti-sniper combat, for identifying and suppressing enemy artillery and mortars, drones?. Although, what do I understand as a civilian in ...

[svoit]

Quote: 210ox

Well, then we must admit that we lied. And we are parties to the conflict

How is it? Arms supplies to Ukraine from the US, Great Britain and other countries do not make them parties to the conflict, just like arms supplies to Afghanistan in the 80s.
As for the Donbass, it is not clear that something is being delivered there from Russia, well, maybe ammunition, spare parts, basically everything remained at the level of 2014-2015

[svoit]

Quote: lonely

Each air defense system has its own limit .. for OSA AKM it is 5000m ..

Nearby air defense systems will not have to shoot down not planes, not helicopters, not UAVs, but shells, missiles, mines - this will very much have to

[Skipper]

The more Residents in the Donbass, the better the defense will be!

[eehnie]

One of Russia's first steps after the failure of negotiations with the United States and NATO will very likely be to abandon the Minsk agreements.

Russia's direct and public military assistance to the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics appears to be essential to the survival of the Republics, helps Russia distance itself from a potential war, and helps Russia avoid accusations by Ukraine and the West in recent years of the direct involvement of the Russian Armed Forces in the war.

Recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics is likely to help legitimize military assistance. Then it would be exactly like US military aid to Taiwan.

These are the lines whose first steps we are beginning to see in the last days.

We are also starting to see some moves in the case of Syria. Steps that hurt Western hawks badly and are also likely to be linked to events in Kazakhstan.

And since this whole crisis is tied to the commissioning of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, it would not be surprising to see a historic long-term contract to supply Russian gas to China in the coming weeks.

All this is positive for Russia. More? It is very likely that yes.

(Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

One of the first steps of Russia after the failed negotiations with the United States and the NATO, will be very likely to move away from the Minsk agreements.

The direct and public military help to the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk by Russia, seems necessary for the survival of the Repubics, helps to Russia to distance itself from a potential war, and helps Russia to avoid the Ukrainian and Western accusations of the last years , about a direct involvement of the Russian Armed Forces in the war.

The recognition of the independence of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk will very likely help in the legitimation of the military aid. Then the case would be exactly like the military help of the United States to Taiwan.

They are lines which first steps we begin to see in the last days.

Also we begin to see some steps in the case of Syria. Steps that hurt strongly to the Western hawks, and that likely also are related to the events of Kazakhstan.

And being all this crisis related to the commission of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, it would not be surprising to see a long-term contract of historic amounts, for the gas supply of Russia to China in the following weeks.

All it positive for Russia. More? Very likely yes.

[ultra]

Karabakh showed that Osa cannot effectively counteract UAVs.

[Ros 56]

Once required, it will probably be. They would have Pinocchio and Tosochek. And the wolves will die and the sheep are safe. And Russia did not attack, what a bummer for Western politicians, a terrible horror. And then we will decide who gets the aspen, and who gets the medal. Not for this, people died in the Second World War so that Bandera jackals mocked the people.

[Escobar]

At whose expense?

[Russobel]

So what are we waiting for, who are we waiting for?
Must, therefore, must be supplied.
Or will we scratch our turnips again with a felt boot?