“Ukrainian troops will enter into a conflict surrounded”: the US press spoke about Russia’s military advantage

The other day, a large-scale campaign was launched for the supply of combat systems to Ukraine, designed to strengthen the country's armed forces before the onset of Russian troops, predicted in the West. However, the transfer of NLAW and Javelin anti-tank systems, Stinger air defense systems and other military products is not capable of turning the tide in favor of Kiev.

This opinion is expressed on the pages of Foreign Policy. According to the author, the Ukrainian army mainly fought the rebels, and not the Russian troops. Allegedly, even a minor intervention of the RF Armed Forces in the conflict “turned into crushing defeats for the Ukrainians” in 2014 and 2015. If a full-scale invasion begins using the entire arsenal of means (Air Force with Syrian experience, cruise and ballistic missiles), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance of success.

The RF Armed Forces will field tens of thousands of soldiers, thousands of armored vehicles and hundreds of combat aircraft. The offensive will begin with massive air, land and sea missile strikes against headquarters, airfields and logistic support points. This will be followed by the invasion of ground units, air and sea landing in all directions.

Ukrainian troops will enter the conflict almost surrounded from the very beginning. Providing American weapons unable to change anything

- considers the author, who believes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are only capable of holding back the rebels of Donbass.

According to him, Ukraine does not have enough strength to organize protection in all threatened areas. As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will face a choice - to defend a limited list of strongholds or switch to a maneuver battle with superior forces of the RF Armed Forces. In the first case, the Ukrainian army will be knocked out by remote strikes, in the second, the Russian troops, which have greater mobility, will receive a significant tactical advantage, which will also result in the inevitable defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so skewed in favor of Moscow that any [military-technical] assistance from Washington is inappropriate and will not affect the outcome of the conflict in any way if it starts. The most effective help is to work towards finding a diplomatic solution

- the conclusion is made in the US press.

Comments

[Thrifty]

I wonder when the measurement of the genitals will end? Now there are more experts than there are fleas on a stray dog, where you don’t spit, you will definitely hit an expert ... "Everyone fancies himself a strobe, seeing the fight from the outside" - you can’t say better. The main thing here is who in NATO is eager to see their citizens in a coffin, in the truest sense of the word. Who is ready, and to what extent, to lay down their citizens for interests that are generally alien, for foreign land, for it is not clear what, by and large ???

[The popuas]

Before that, they were virologists, now they are trying to get into the mainstream and have become military experts

[voyaka uh]

Let's remember the 1st World War.
Several large empires have decided to put their citizens in the ground for no reason.
And they put it.
Moreover, 4 empires perished.
When two countries gather armies, each on its own side of the border ("we have the right!"), It means one thing: "the threat of war."
And, of course, they begin to discuss options ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: voyaka uh

Let's remember the 1st World War.

What for?

[avg avg]

Why, why ... The dude decided to show off either erudition or a good memory ...

[nobody75]

Why is unclear! It's very clear why.
Sincerely

[Klingon]

Warrior, but will we remember Israel and Palestine? Or is it "different"?

[ser-pov]

Pulling - from Russia 400 km from the Ukrofashist border, Ukraine from 40 to 60 km from the border with Russia holds 125 thousand. grouping. I just know that Israel would have squandered all this in an instant and would not even have thought about it. We are chewing snot, there are brothers .... There are no brothers there. If they were, they wouldn’t go to war and Donbass wouldn’t be shelled ..

[Roma 1977]

How is it - "it is not clear why"? It is quite understandable - very big grandmas were at stake.

[venik]

Quote: voyaka uh

When two countries...

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Dearest, and WHERE are you SECOND country did you see? Is this Ukraine? So Ukraine has long been no longer a subject, but an OBJECT of world politics (the most "independent" country in the world is a country on which absolutely NOTHING depends!).
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Quote: voyaka uh

then it means one thing: "the threat of war."
And, of course, they begin to discuss options ...

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Actually, what is there to "discuss"? And WHAT "options" can there be? And most importantly, "discuss" - WITH WHOM ??? Well, not with Ukraine and not with Israel!

[axay032]

We have the right - this is, of course, about the RUSSIA AF. I didn't expect anything else from you.

[axay032]

Moreover, from the West, not one country is being pulled together, but a whole Caudle under the pretext of the aggressive actions of the Russian Federation. We tested a new rocket - aggressively !!!
New tank - aggressive!!!
We conducted exercises at home - this is super aggressive, it is simply not acceptable. Otherwise, they want to capture someone.
Ask yourself - do the Russians want war??!!
My grandfather ended the war in Berlin, I'm proud of him. But he did not like to talk about the war, I now understand WHAT it is.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Let's remember the 1st World War.

And you can also remember the Franco-Prussian, because Ukraine is the second France

[ser-pov]

Quote: Thrifty

I wonder when the measurement of the genitals will end? Now there are more experts than there are fleas on a stray dog, where you don’t spit, you will definitely hit an expert ... "Everyone fancies himself a strobe, seeing the fight from the outside" - you can’t say better. The main thing here is who in NATO is eager to see their citizens in a coffin, in the truest sense of the word. Who is ready, and to what extent, to lay down their citizens for interests that are generally alien, for foreign land, for it is not clear what, by and large ???

NATO sang along. Wars sometimes began with smaller curiosities. Remember only Nikola Princip..

[TermNachTer]

Princip's name was Gavrila. His Browning shot is just an excuse, the reasons were serious. If he hadn't shot, they would have found another reason.

[ser-pov]

Quote: TermNachTER

Princip's name was Gavrila. His Browning shot is just an excuse, the reasons were serious. If he hadn't shot, they would have found another reason.

Sorry, I wrote from memory! The main point is clear..

[uralant]

Quote: Thrifty

Who is ready, and to what extent, to lay down their citizens for interests that are generally alien, for foreign land, for it is not clear what, by and large ???

By and large, everyone is ready. Otherwise, they would not have bred a bodyagu. Putin and Russia are to blame for all the troubles, General Frost was added to everything, and Putin raised the price of gas. They show the enemy, atu him! Their troops are already on the march on the borders of Russia and Belarus, it remains to wave the pen and fire! And for what the same thing is known, out in Russia all sorts of things to hell and higher. Denyuzhki dollars and pounds, rubles and tugriks ... Nothing in this sublunar world does not change, everything is as old as the universe.

[olhon]

I suggest ignoring such stuff.

[Alien From]

Such a blizzard is carried by the Western press, sick. Sorry.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alien From

Such a blizzard is carried by the Western press, sick. Sorry.

Our no less game fences. But I wang this kipish to divert attention from something else.

[Stepan S]

Stop listening to offended propagandists, it's even worse than the Kremlin's

[Alexey Prokopov]

And this is what ALREADY ... does not count at all ???))) Well, well)))
Then... Oh!!!)))

[volodimer]

The new interface for adding pictures annoys me, I have to constantly make sure that they are not stuck 2 times. Note to admins.
In fact: these things cannot but worry, but they are part of a largeеth problems. Let's solve it, and this part will also be solved.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Alien From

Such a blizzard is carried by the Western press, sick. Sorry.

Regarding this style of negotiating (on Russia's proposals on security), the Anglo-Saxons have an expression something like "throw a dead cat on the table (negotiations)."
Well, as if the idea is extremely simple, the stinking corpse of a cat makes you forget the original topic.
As a "dead cat" stuffing topics about the invasion of Ukraine.

[volodimer]

The military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so skewed in favor of Moscow that any [military-technical] assistance from Washington is inappropriate and will not affect the outcome of the conflict in any way if it starts. The most effective help is to work towards finding a diplomatic solution

Well, this conclusion does not cause a feeling of "blizzard" in me. I think that you will not dispute our military superiority, nor that a diplomatic solution is the best option for all parties.

[zloybond]

The main thing is to close the sky, and to block the borders, so that criminals and accomplices of the fascist-Nazi regime do not have time to escape abroad.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: zloybond

The main thing is to close the sky, and to block the borders, so that criminals and accomplices of the fascist-Nazi regime do not have time to escape abroad.

the main thing is not to repeat the mistake of Stalin

[75 Sergey]

There or here?

[Hypertension]

Do Russian wars want to happen?
Ask you for silence
over the expanse of arable land and fields
and birches and poplars.
You will ask those soldiers,
that under the birches lie
and let their sons tell you
Do the Russians want war.

Not only for your country
the soldiers died in that war
and so that people of the whole earth
could easily dream.
Under the rustle of leaves and posters
You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
May your dreams answer you
Do the Russians want war.

Yes, we know how to fight,
but do not want to again
soldiers fell in battle
to his sad land.
You will ask your mother,
ask my wife
and then you must understand
Do the Russians want war.
(E. Evtushenko)

[tralflot1832]

They come up with anything, but not a word about the implementation of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine. Maybe it’s not in vain that we explain to everyone that we are only guarantors. Therefore, the West immediately after the negotiations forgets about it.

[Amateur]

The Americans also brought a lot of weapons into Afghanistan. So what? All American puppets fled from Kabul faster than their own screeching. In Kuive, the truth is that at first these weapons will be stolen, then they will be sold, and only then they will run away. That's the difference.

[However, dear]

Yes, everything is already clear. it was a test with an ultimatum: like, what if you try like that? everyone has said it all. everyone got ready. Of course, no one wants to fight. there is no surprise factor. costs stated. there are no advantages from the collision with Ukraine now. Well, they recognize the LDNR, they will listen to concerns on this topic. Well, now the troops will remain in Belarus. everything, perhaps. then the withdrawal of troops will begin. they will say, well, we have always stated that we were not going to invade anywhere, but you are there, west, do not spoil, otherwise we will hit you. In short, everyone can relax. End of alarm. And Uncle Xi asked. Well, you have to be respectful. The Olympics. Otherwise, keep me seven. In the near future we will witness how the Solovyovs / Simonians will explain the retreat to their original positions as a great victory over the West.

[PavelV]

Dear, your last three comments are of the same type. Are you paid by the piece, by quantity? Do you get fined for repeating yourself?

[However, dear]

Well, what are you, dear, for the money and could be much more and better. Joke. Yes, I took something from my comment in another thread. I have the right to write off. Not plagiarism. I just wanted to share my point of view and see the opinions of others. And about the request of Uncle Xi: it was published by newspaper.ru yesterday. Today they denied it. Didn't follow.

[Stepan S]

for the money and could be much more and better

I doubt your ability to write better than a set of stamps from a training manual.

[However, dear]

I assure you, I have nothing to do with propaganda.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

I have the right to write myself off. Not plagiarism.

And the concept of "self-plagiarism" is unknown to you?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: However, Dear

And Uncle Xi asked.

good morning, "uncle SI" has already stated that he did not ask anyone for anything

[Emergency]

"And Uncle Xi asked." Didn't ask. Fake. And the State Department asked not to publish their answer Or maybe a tearful request.

[3315061]

However dear! A great victory over the West will be if it does not come to a war with Ukraine. There are so few Slavs left, at such a pace the blackness will capture the whole world.

[However, dear]

I agree with you 100%.

[TerraSandera]

Alas, it so happened with us, the only place where we can win is wars, in diplomacy, conspiracies, forging alliances and so on, we are not so strong, therefore, apart from the military, there are no solutions to this problem. Alas, the military was already too late, it was relevant in 14-15. Because now, the part that could enter the Russian Federation, or remain Ukraine, but with another non-pro-Western government, has been reformatted by the ruthless sword of Damocles of propaganda. eight! For years, the children have already grown up, after the start of the war, and those who were 8-8 will soon join the army, and every day they are constantly told from TVs, Russia is the aggressor, Russia attacked, and so on and so forth. This is a lost generation, brought up on a lie. What to do with it now? This is a monstrous betrayal of the interests of the country, in 10-14 years, when everything could be solved with minimal resources.

[Alexey Prokopov]

First of all, calm down.
First Question Always: WHY?
And the question "What?" it's only the fourth
The main Questions if you want to do CORRECTLY and EFFICIENTLY CORRECTLY and ORDERLY Ask ... First of all, for Yourself!
I'll calm you down. I know how and Easily fix it all. The truth will have to plow on the basis of teaching This REAL Image and excuses: - This does not concern me ...
They will not pass either with them or with us!)))
Why are they called Gruzdem (put forward Demands to SURVIVE).
Climb into the Body ... And do not NOY that you CANNOT !!!
The Creator DOES NOT GIVE something that, not in human FORCES, to a HUMAN!!!
But not to Nothingness and the Undead, and especially FROM-INITIALLY to this, SHARPENED by trashiness. The FACT of this is finally through blood and sweat
You WILL HAVE TO KNOW! Alas, life is not a shame! Why Needlessly Suffer?

[TerraSandera]

I am absolutely calm, I don’t use caps hysterically to highlight my thoughts, so all the advice given to me is more relevant to you. Well, you can send pictures anywhere, and whatever, even the Americans do not know the real locations of all foreign units, because some of them are unofficially.

[Stepan S]

the children have already grown up, after the start of the war, and those who were 8-10 will soon join the army, and every day they are constantly told from TVs, Russia is the aggressor, Russia attacked

In the war with Germany, 26 million Soviet people died, half of the country was destroyed, and now it is the main economic partner in Europe. Brains, as well as rinsed, can be inserted into place with the right approach.

[TerraSandera]

If something is done in this direction. We don’t even foresee any steps, because everyone lives with plans for personal gain. And even if you start doing something, it will take the same dozens of years, and this is after the complete seizure of power there. In peacetime, they were not particularly eager to establish a pro-Russian government, but now?

[nobody75]

Very visible
1 Gas pipelines, which in the 80s were called the transport of the future, are completely under our control.
2 The threat of a sabotage war on the part of the duped population of Ukraine is parried.
3 The Sea of ​​Azov becomes inland.
4 The land corridor to the Crimea will make it possible to loop the railway.
Enough for you?
Sincerely

[However, dear]

Economic and political costs will block all these possible pluses.

[However, dear]

These are fantasies. But in reality, like Iran, the DPRK will be clamped down with sanctions, and "friend" China will not break relations with the West because of Russia, but only the prices for hydrocarbons will be knocked down below the plinth, because because of the embargo there will be no one else to sell them to.

[nobody75]

Strongly squeezed since 2014?
Sincerely

[However, dear]

The dollar in 2014 was 40, now 76 on weak sanctions. Few? And how much will be on the "hellish sanctions"? 200?

[nobody75]

So what? Elvira Sakhibzadovna cannot find the magic formula and mechanically buys currency according to the budget rule. She does not know how to fight inflation differently, and therefore the course is like that.
Sincerely

[Stepan S]

Elvira Sakhibzadovna cannot find the magic formula and mechanically buys currency according to the budget rule.

Elvira heard you, today they stopped buying foreign currency to support the ruble exchange rate.

[Stepan S]

only the prices for hydrocarbons will be knocked down below the baseboard, because due to the embargo there will be no one else to sell them to.

Can you imagine what prices will be for oil without oil from Russia? China, on the other hand, will tear all America and Europe on cheap oil and gas. Do they need it?

[However, dear]

Do not exaggerate the importance of Russia in the hydrocarbon market. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the oil countries of Africa will only happily lick their lips and fill Russia's niche if it is under an embargo.

[nobody75]

Forward and with a song ... In 2014 they didn’t fill it out and now they won’t fill it out. Unlike Russia, they did not invest in intelligence.
Sincerely

[KCA]

How fast will LNG and oil be delivered from BV to the US East Coast? Why are they now lost and the United States is purchased in Russia?

[However, dear]

US buy as long as good relations and market. If it comes to sanctions, they will stop. Unlike Europe, the US is independent in oil and gas.

[KCA]

They are also dependent, they do not have such developed oil and gas pipelines as we do, then the United States uses sanctions as long as it is beneficial for them, as profits are lost, they easily back down, about 5 years ago the Senate said to NASA and the Pentagon - fuck you , and not the RD-180, however, it turned out that there was not one or two to create an engine, and the Senate allowed to buy 22 or 24 RD-180 engines, the BE-4 would not take off from them, despite the sanctions, they would buy another RD-180 or RD- 171MB

[However, dear]

The US produces the most oil in the world. Saudi Arabia is in second place. On the 3rd Russia. I give 2 links. one for oil consumption, the other for production. See if Russian oil proves indispensable if it is deliberately bypassed by buyers.

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/
https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-consumption-by-country/

[KCA]

Let's take the simplest situation - the United States has snapped at Russia, and for this reason, Iran completely blocks the exit from the Strait of Hormuz. Considering that all oil from the USA and from the Persian Gulf has been contracted for a long time, what will happen? In second place after the United States is not the Saudis, but Russia, production in the United States is 15.8% of the market, in the Russian Federation 13.5, in the KSA 12.1% in 2020, the United States does not want to increase the level of production, they are waiting until shale becomes profitable. What did the US say to Europe? LNG is traded by private companies, we cannot tell them whether to sell to Asia or Europe, so these companies will easily throw the United States themselves by selling oil to the same China

[However, dear]

This is a fantastic scenario. Companies can sell wherever they want, when the world and the market. In the case of "not the world" - a completely different alignment will be. In the event of a confrontation, not even a war, but an increase in tension, oil and gas are strategic raw materials and will go where they need to go. Iran is begging under sanctions, by the way, and is unlikely to want even more aggravation.

[KCA]

Business is business, during WW2, the USA supplied Germany without any problems, sosa-sola worked almost until May 9, 1945, Ford produced trucks and cars in Germany, and many companies worked, despite the war officially declared by the USA on Germany , but in the event of a conflict with Russia, everything will be different? There will be profit - they will buy both oil and gas, it’s just that tankers will not fly under the Russian flag, and even now they don’t go, I don’t know how from the USA, and the first ships with coal from South Africa were loaded in Novorossiysk with Donetsk and Russian coal, they drove a coal carrier and just fall asleep

[However, dear]

Coca-Cola has been in Germany since 1929 and passed completely under the ownership of the German owners, and during the 2nd World War they even invented Fanta, as supplies from other countries were disrupted. As for other large companies that were also in Germany before the start of the war, such as Ford, IBM, their trade with Nazi Germany was quickly cut off with the start of the war. If a country has become hostile, business does not work with it.

[Stepan S]

But in reality, they will clamp down like Iran, North Korea with sanctions

Russia is not Korea, and it’s not so easy to pinch us, but you can also snap back well when there is nothing to lose.

[However, dear]

Well, how can you snap back when your oil and gas are deliberately not bought, and you are deliberately not sold high-tech equipment?

[nobody75]

Announce the list of costs, please...
Sincerely

[However, dear]

Have you heard of "hellish sanctions"? If not, google it. It's about costs.

[nobody75]

No, I have not heard, "hellish sanctions" is this from the universe of marvel or DC?
Sincerely

[However, dear]

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/12/01/2022/61df12689a79474d54526dbe

Well, start here at least.

[nobody75]

Rosbusinessconsulting??? To me??? Laughed!!! Do you have your own analytics?
Sincerely

[However, dear]

I don't have my own analytics. I don't do this. I take information from open sources.

[nobody75]

And do you believe everything? You can’t trust anyone in finance, especially RBC!
Sincerely

[However, dear]

You're right. Nothing can be trusted. Brains must be turned on. For example, in the attack of Ukraine on Russia, I believe in the same way as in the attack of a chicken coop on a pack of wolves. Do you have access to classified information? Don't answer yes - I won't believe it. :)

[nobody75]

So Ukraine has already attacked ... The war is in full swing. Have you read the gas transit contract with Naftagaz? And how did Moldova pay for gas before? And under what schemes of Kuchma-Chernomyrdin is the spot European market imprisoned? And who in the "Gor-Chernomyrdin" commission was protecting all this business?
Sincerely

[However, dear]

Quote: nobody75

So Ukraine has already attacked ... The war is in full swing.

I'm talking about a real war, not emotions.

[nobody75]

I'm talking about money - the main reason for all warriors. Do you follow Ukrainian bonds? If the Dark One promises to convert them into Russian bonds, then a lot is possible...
Sincerely

[However, dear]

No, I don't know anything about Ukrainian money. I see that the ruble has already fallen to 80 per dollar. and that's just on the threat of war. it seems that the ultimatum convinced the big holders of rubles to get rid of them urgently.

[nobody75]

27.01.2022/78/XNUMX dropped to XNUMX at the moment ...
Sincerely

[ammunition]

Quote: nobody75

Enough for you?

Few !! We need ... to move the border with NATO to the Carpathians. And so that people in Ukraine begin .. finally to live in peace .. getting rid of "their" puppet government. In a single country with Belarus .. under the protection of the Orthodox Tsar.

[TerraSandera]

1. I partially agree, but here, as they say, there are other routes besides the old unmodernized pipe of Ukraine, into which billions will have to be poured so that there are no constant accidents. Ukraine did not follow her, only rocked.
2. Just not, the probability increases many times over, because K will have to capture either the entire territory or the southeast (with already brainwashed ones), and America will throw money and instructors for new Afghanistan. How to control such territories? 100 thousand? We need another 200-300 thousand to control and clean up from the Nazis, "in the garrisons"
3. Well, such a plus. Even now, apart from a few Ukrainian sloops, it is almost not controlled by them
4. He was important for the Crimea, at 14m. But since the plans for a land corridor were abandoned back then, they decided to build a bridge, and the problem with railway and auto was solved.
This is just about the "pluses" There is no point in even writing about the minuses, there are a huge number of them
PS I would be very happy if the whole of Ukraine, or at least the southeast, was returned to its native harbor. But alas, under much better conditions, they could not / wanted to do this. Now everything has worsened, and even any desire is not visible on our part. On the contrary, we are trying to avoid war by hook or by crook. But it will be, not now, perhaps later, but the Americans will definitely unleash it, and they will use a sharpened ram against us.
Mutually, with respect.

[nobody75]

4. He was important for the Crimea, at 14m. But since the plans for a land corridor were abandoned back then, they decided to build a bridge, and the problem with railway and auto was solved.

And who told you that they refused? In 2014, the financial system - a dwarf on the shoulders of a giant - was not ready. There were many "Benin" pocket banks tied to cross-border operations (do you remember Colonel Zakharchenko?). Russian companies had large dollar-denominated debt. The tax maneuver in the oil industry has begun ... So now is the right time.
Sincerely

[TerraSandera]

The ruble against the dollar as a result at the end of 2014 fell almost 2 times. And these were the sanctions "they don't affect anything, Europe is losing more" And everyone felt it in their pocket, now the stock markets are falling on the same hysteria, and the ruble is 78+ - and this at exorbitant gas prices, and at very high (for last decade) oil prices. What will happen with a new round of confrontation if it spills over into a hot phase? Dollar at 140? Unfortunately, our economy is very dependent on these green papers. And no one has fixed anything since then.
Please answer the question, what does a country that is preparing to fight? defense / counterattack is not so important.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

The ruble against the dollar as a result at the end of 2014 fell almost 2 times. And these were sanctions "they do not affect anything, Europe is losing more" And everyone felt it in their pocket, now the stock markets are falling on one hysteria, and the ruble is 78+-

And how then did I predict the fall of the ruble in 2 months? The dynamics of oil prices then determined the course. In their pocket, everyone felt not the dollar exchange rate, but Kudrin's illiterate tax reform.
Sincerely

[TerraSandera]

Sorry, but it failed for a reason, but as a result of the fact that they wanted to punish the Russian Federation, more painfully, for which everyone knows so well. It is not so easy to force the Saudis to dump, but America did it at the right time. What will prevent the collapse of the ruble with sanctions again? But the main thing here is not even this, but why everything was stopped in 14th, of course, we don’t know much, but the assets of friends in the West, as well as some connections with Ukrainian oligarchs, prevented everything from continuing.
Rinat Leonidovich Akhmetov had a business built on the energy of Donbass, as well as coal, metal, dozens of enterprises under his control. And when by autumn the Ukrainian army was defeated, and already fled from near Mariupol (and the DPR sabotage groups had already bypassed it), everything abruptly stopped in Minsk. Sorry, but the city was left to Ukraine, and Akhmetov in particular, so as not to ruin the business (there are two largest enterprises, Azovstal, and the Ilyich plant, connected with metallurgy. They also sharply refused to take Avdiivka, the northern suburb of Donetsk, in which the Avdiivka coke plant is located the factory needed for these enterprises in Mariupol, and of course the Mariupol port, for trading abroad.
When they could reach the border of the LDNR, they abandoned everything, retreating.

[nobody75]

It is not so easy to force the Saudis to dump, but America did it at the right time.

In 2014, the "shale" dumped, not the Saudis. It was then that I predicted their default and subsequent bankruptcy.
For the Darkest Akhmetov, there is no one to call him.
Sincerely

[TerraSandera]

How, then, to explain the lack of desire to take the second largest city in the Donetsk region, under its control, with a port, and key enterprises? From which the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard have already fled in columns? Well, and Avdiivka, with due desire, which could be bypassed and taken. (To save the population of Donetsk from many months of shelling from Avdiivka and Pesok.) The first attempts were made, but it was clear that the samples of the pen, a little pressure, and it would have come out just like later from Debaltseve.

[nobody75]

Simply and easily. Generals are always preparing for the last war. Previously, during the "legacy wars" it was possible to create a "frozen conflict" and politically destabilize the enemy. So it was in Abkhazia, in Transnistria, in Karabakh, in South Ossetia. Therefore, there was a glimmer of hope for the "federalization of Ukraine."
Sincerely
Sincerely

[TerraSandera]

And now it's not warm? Russia and now all appearance shows that she needs the war least of all. All the same movements of technology were added to the angry statements about if you climb, we'll beat you. As a result, like all these years, everything will be exactly the same, forcing, howling, they attacked us, and Russia stands at the starting point, in which case. If Ukraine does not start a full-scale operation, none of ours will move anywhere, this has been the case since 15, and this will continue.
And the West needs at least some kind of guarantee that Russia will not intervene, In the meantime, they are only checking the reaction. And they scare, in which case, sanctions.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Russia really does not need a total war. We have an unsuccessful experience in creating conscription armies of the Napoleonic type. And here is a small victorious war that will prevent a big...
Sincerely

[KCA]

The dollar has grown, it’s not good for those who want to spend it abroad, but grub and other things in Russia didn’t grow by 2 times, and with electronics assembled in Russia it wasn’t so sad either, I won a 2020 "Samsung monitor in 24 for 8, SSD for 1,3, SMART TV LG 32'' for 15, somehow not more expensive than in 2014, simple mobiles cost 499r as they are, oh, hellish vodka has risen in price, from 209r to 239

[Serg89]

1. The thesis "collision with Ukraine" - the words of the United States
2. Thesis "Recognized" - hype of deputies, no practical actions
3. The thesis "Xi asked" - refuted in China - bloomberg stuffing (USA)

Dude, you are part of the propaganda against the Russian Federation.

[However, dear]

No need to poke. On the site, of course, you will not have to answer for your rudeness, but nevertheless. Keep up appearances. I see from your style that I am much older and wiser than you.

[Serg89]

In fact, younger and more observant, maybe smarter. Well, since you know what youth is today, age now does not command respect, especially if it hasn’t increased in the head with age, maybe wisdom - yes, how to choose or avoid women like a watermelon in the market, but it’s definitely not about the mind, because. you have gone in a completely different direction.

[However, dear]

I will not comment on your boasting about observation and intelligence. And the fact that you switched to is a good sign. A society where young people do not respect elders is a sick society.

[Serg89]

And still off topic, what can you say about supporting lies and relaying to the masses on your part? Hypothetically, if my enemy is older - should he receive equal respect with my grandfather? Not at all. Get down on the ground, it’s just that respect is rubbed for cunning, don’t care about age.

[However, dear]

And on what basis do you call my point of view a lie? Because it's different from you? And who told you that you are right?

[Serg89]

Because you are LIE. I didn’t express my own point of view anywhere, you don’t even see the chronology, you spank on the machine, the banal “author for 20 cents”. The official message that you wrote about the Chinese leader's request "not to attack" is in fact a stuffing that YOU picked up and since YOU do not refer to the source, you are a spreader of lies - https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinRus/status/1484978916897050632

[However, dear]

I already wrote in this thread that newspaper.ru became the source about Uncle Xi. I even gave a link to this source. The rebuttal came the next day. Are you not seeing this on purpose? Now apologize for accusing me of lying. And if not, I don't want to talk to you anymore.

[Serg89]

There is no link, it's just one of the points of lies. Link - this is what I wrote above, to specific information. Plus, if they refuted, then you were also deluded because of the newspaper.ru, then you have the option not to be a liar and edit your post. Lies on the spot - there is nothing to apologize for.

[However, dear]

And I think that you are a liar, or pretend to be dumber than a teapot. Conversation is over.

[Serg89]

Well, yes, well, yes, here it is wisdom ... lie to everyone, do not provide evidence, and as a result, the apotheosis of age and wisdom is to offend :D

And good luck to you grandpa, now get smart, not wisdom.

[orlandoche]

"The most effective help is to work towards finding a diplomatic solution"

Somehow it does not fit, ameriga and such statements. And so everything is normal, ready to fight to the death, or rather, to the last stoned hulk.

[Emergency]

Bake and not talk like that. And it bakes them.

[Egoza]

If a full-scale invasion begins using the entire arsenal of means (Air Force with Syrian experience, cruise and ballistic missiles), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance of success.

In any case, the APU will not have a chance of success! they are well aware that they are fighting "for nothing." Unless for a salary, which is also delayed. But the militias are fighting for their homeland.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Egoza

they are well aware that they are fighting "for nothing."

it's you in vain among them stubborn quite enough

[Egoza]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it's you in vain among them stubborn quite enough

So this is not the APU. These are Nazi battalions, such as "Azov", Right Sector, etc. It's written on the flag. They were also included in the "composition" so that there were no complaints, but the essence remained.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Egoza

So this is not the APU.

there are enough of them in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, let's leave about the brothers, tired for 8 years

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it's you in vain among them stubborn quite enough

These were stoned before the first serious shelling...when Debaltseve happened, where were they? And there was not even aviation there, and shelling of medium intensity ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

These are stubborn before the first serious shelling ...

the biggest stupidity is to underestimate the enemy

[cniza]

Well, yes, take a good photo, but what and where could they achieve?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: cniza

what and where did they achieve?

the onri were able to create a nazi state right next to us
is that not enough for you?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the onri were able to create a nazi state right next to us
is this not enough for you?

Terribly little. How does this relate to military potential?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

they will drink enough blood, and "with little blood, on foreign territory" usually ends with a "battle near Moscow", you must always prepare for the worst

[Grits]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it's you in vain among them stubborn quite enough

As soon as powerful artillery strikes begin to interfere with these "stoned" with dirt and with their own feces, they will immediately raise the Russian flag and run to surrender, asking for help in Russian. It's just that now they are so comfortable, fun and fat ...

[rotfuks]

And without the American media, we know how Ukrainian troops operate in the environment. We remember Debaltseve.

[Emergency]

I am reading Arkady Averchenko's story "Specialist in Military Affairs". Just wrote about today.

[mag nit]

In what environment? They will be in the boiler.

[ERsytype]

Quote: Egoza

If a full-scale invasion begins using the entire arsenal of means (Air Force with Syrian experience, cruise and ballistic missiles), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance of success.

In any case, the APU will not have a chance of success! they are well aware that they are fighting "for nothing." Unless for a salary, which is also delayed. But the militias are fighting for their homeland.

Never? What is it like? Fulfill your military duty? Fulfill your duty to the motherland? Doesn't that count? Is it also nothing to restore the constitutional integrity of a country recognized by the whole world?
Or do you think the Ukrainian population is eager to join the capitalist Russia?
Don't be stupid. Ukrainians have long been brainwashed, and the Kremlin knows about it. And the Kremlin is not the same anymore. This is a cynical, unprincipled viper. And you all believe them, donkeys)

[Gray-haired]

"And you all believe them, donkeys" - Bandera clay-machine could not help but bzdnut.

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[Alexey Prokopov]

Then everything is much WORSE!!! The cynical, unprincipled viper by the right of FORCE has the RIGHT... To surpass even the most Terrible IMAGINATIONS!!!
It turns out that the Ukrainians in their SADO-MAZO were counting on this?)))
Give them the same, and even for FREE
to make it: HURRY-PLEASANT!!!))) =FACT=

[Sergey3]

I personally suspect that I know when the fuss will begin in Ukraine - on the day the Olympic Games in China begin. It is not in vain that the information ground is being prepared for this for so long and purposefully across the ocean.

[Stepan S]

Something I personally suspect that I know when the fuss will begin in Ukraine - on the day the Olympic Games in China begin.

I suspect them too. They really want to make war and that the GDP is away from home. The scheme has already been worked out, they hope for a daily delay, and during this time to reach the border.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Sergey3

I personally suspect that I know when the fuss will begin in Ukraine - on the day the Olympic Games in China begin. It is not in vain that the information ground is being prepared for this for so long and purposefully across the ocean.

In terms of information noise, without further development in the form of a major provocation with military consequences, there is an absolutely identical Georgia.

But there is silence about the aggression against Georgia and retaliatory sanctions.
Georgians learned a lesson about major military provocations.

404 is perfect in this regard, so it looks like this option.

Anglo-Saxons: - "Russia, do not try to fight with Ukraine!"
Russia: - "We do not need it! We are not going to attack anyone!"
Anglo-Saxons: - "Where will you go, they will attack you themselves."

[Stepan S]

Anglo-Saxons: - "Where will you go, they will attack you themselves."

So yes, but it will be turned, as in Georgia, that Russia attacked. For they are on their territory, which means they are victims. Then they will yell - "just don't capture Kiev."

[cniza]

Ukrainian troops will enter the conflict almost surrounded from the very beginning. The provision of American weapons is not able to change anything

But you keep making them eat the cactus...

[rocket757]

Let them train for long distances ... Georgians will be consulted, they are masters in that matter.

[Tagan]

Quote: PavelV

Dear, your last three comments are of the same type. Are you paid by the piece, by quantity? Do you get fined for repeating yourself?

A person has a crisis of the genre, I guess. He said and quoted himself twice more))

[avg avg]

He did not have a crisis of the genre, but simply the preparations from the training manual ran out. Have to repeat.

[businessv]

The military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so skewed in favor of Moscow that any [military-technical] assistance from Washington is inappropriate and will not affect the outcome of the conflict in any way if it starts.

Damn, how can you keep silent on such nonsense ?! Well, if in 1945 non-humans from the current square were only an evil appendage of the huge machine of the German Reich, and we defeated the Reich, then what do these hangers-on of the West mean today to speak and compare their capabilities with Russia ?! This is some kind of sur with deb and l skewed in favor of madness! Do people in the outskirts of Russia, living in the independent, do not understand where the arms suppliers are pushing them?!

[Tagan]

Quote: However, dear

Yes, everything is already clear. It was an ultimatum test...

What, the monologue does not come in any way?
Well, try five more times. Three times in a row - nothing.)))

[However, dear]

Monologue was a success. See how many discussions. And if you want, let's return to this topic in 2-3 weeks. Let's see who was "about nothing".

[Borz]

Quote: ser-pov

Quote: Thrifty

I wonder when the measurement of the genitals will end? Now there are more experts than there are fleas on a stray dog, where you don’t spit, you will definitely hit an expert ... "Everyone fancies himself a strobe, seeing the fight from the outside" - you can’t say better. The main thing here is who in NATO is eager to see their citizens in a coffin, in the truest sense of the word. Who is ready, and to what extent, to lay down their citizens for interests that are generally alien, for foreign land, for it is not clear what, by and large ???

NATO sang along. Wars sometimes began with smaller oddities. Just remember Nicolu Principa..

Gavrilo. Gavrilo Princip shot Archduke Ferdinand.

[rocket757]

As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will face a choice - to defend a limited list of strongholds or switch to a maneuver battle with superior forces of the RF Armed Forces.

. Let them ask their Georgian comrades-in-arms how to conduct a "maneuverable battle" so that Kukuyevo does not miss past, right off the bat. Although, maybe right away to the Canadian ... tfu, maneuver the Polish border ???

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

These "Ukrainian troops" will not twitch anywhere. I know the Ukrainian mentality quite well. I worked with Ukrainians for a long time. The people are Southern, temperamental, they are not used to answering for their words. Screaming, yelling and cursing. But if they see that they can get hit on the head, they quickly repent and begin to wag their tail and get out in every possible way.
As a last resort, they will trample to fight if they are forced by the American gentlemen. But here, I'm sorry. If there are no brains, then nothing can help. Let them kick themselves.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

These "Ukrainian troops" will not twitch anywhere. I know the Ukrainian mentality quite well. I worked with Ukrainians for a long time. The people are Southern, temperamental, they are not used to answering for their words. Screaming, yelling and cursing. But if they see that they can get hit on the head, they quickly repent and begin to wag their tail and get out in every possible way.
As a last resort, they will trample to fight if they are forced by the American gentlemen. But here, I'm sorry. If there are no brains, then nothing can help. Let them kick themselves.

The balance of forces and equipment on the line of contact between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the LDNR is a significant advantage in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. National Baths were introduced into the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There are, as it were, skirmishers or detachments or cadres for positions such as commissar under the commander.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine can easily move against the LDNR and no one among the commanders will refuse.

[demo]

Well, how do the Americans and their hangers-on want to see the blood of Russians and Ukrainians on white snow.
Here are the creatures.

[Vasyan1971]

If a full-scale invasion begins using the entire arsenal of means (Air Force with Syrian experience, cruise and ballistic missiles), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance of success.

If the strongest European army has no chance, then NATO has no more, it turns out? ...

[A009]

That is, they begin to fight from the environment? Well, there is nothing new for the Ukrainian army. Accustomed. What is what, and the boiler organization and mobilization into boilers is very developed in them.

[Svejk]

Ukram has already been told that they snatched it from the miners all the time, and not from the regular troops of the Russian Federation. And they don't want to admit it.

[Baloo]

Indeed, Russia is just waiting to attack Ukraine and conquer / enslave its neighbors ... we are still waiting for an opportunity and are gathering troops to the borders from all sides

[Yuri Siritsky_2]

Well, what an expert, then a strategist. I decided everything for Russia, how it needs to attack

[Oleg Barchev]

The families of diplomats from the American Embassy will soon be evacuated from Ukraine and the British Embassy will take similar actions. The official version is the threat of a military invasion of Ukraine by Russia. In my opinion, the "Ukraine-anti-Russia" project is coming to its logical conclusion. Rats flee from a sinking ship, because if you are an ally of one of the parties, then you must show support to this side. And what happens: They put weapons for trench warfare, pushing the Ukrainian authorities to aggressive actions against the Donbass, although they know very well that the Russian Army in this case will launch a missile and bomb attack on the accumulation of equipment and communications without introducing troops into the territory of Ukraine. Plus, on the eve of the joint exercises of Russia and Belarus on the border with Ukraine, a group of troops of more than 120 tons. Conclusion: Leaving, to spoil as much as possible.

[Neutron Retarded]

Quote: TerraSandera

What will happen with a new round of confrontation if it spills over into a hot phase? Dollar at 140

Have you played computer shooters? What, God forgive me, is the dollar exchange rate in the hot phase? I can tell, as a former military man, what will happen if a large batch starts.
The dollar exchange rate... Couch dreamers.
Your personal smartphone and hand it over at the collection point of the military registration and enlistment office. If at all, data centers and cellular communications will survive by that time.

[Borisych]

No one will fight with this 404, the whole world is waiting for the invasion of Ukrainian Jews into Israel with a sinking heart, liver and kidneys. There, local Israelis will begin to accustom Ukrainians to socially useful work, they will give a gun against Hezbala. And the clown Ze will make everyone laugh.