The German Parliament denied Estonia the possibility of transferring German weapons to Ukraine

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German parliament building


The German authorities continue to show their own position regarding the arming of Ukraine with lethal weapons. If many other NATO countries either send weapons to Kiev themselves, or do it through their “partners”, then Berlin decided to maintain a ban on the supply of weapons for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even with obvious pressure from Washington. In Ukraine, they comment on this decision of Berlin.



It became known that the German parliament rejected a request from Estonia to supply Ukraine with German-made weapons. This happened against the background of the fact that the United States approved such a request from Tallinn regarding American-made weapons.

The Bundestag said that sending weapons to Ukraine could lead to an escalation of the conflict, to the use of these weapons in the Donbass. In Berlin, they began to recall more often that the FRG is one of the guarantors of compliance with the Minsk agreements. And these agreements bear the signatures of Ukrainian officials who have committed themselves to dealing with the resolution of the crisis in the Donbas through political and diplomatic means.

In Germany, they noted that Kiev had already violated its obligations on non-deployment of strike weapons in the southeast of the country. American-made Javelin anti-tank systems are cited as an example, which Kiev initially undertook to store and operate outside the so-called environmental protection zone. But he did not keep his promises.

The German parliamentarians noted that the weapons supplied to Ukraine could be used against Ukrainian citizens. It seems that even the German parliamentarians care about the fate of Ukrainian citizens more than the authorities of Ukraine itself. It is added that Germany is categorically against escalation and calls on the parties to the conflict to fulfill their obligations under the Minsk agreements.

This decision of the German parliament is being commented on in Kiev, accusing the German political leadership of "being on the lead of Russia." The Verkhovna Rada criticized the German colleagues and stated that Germany "needs to reconsider its position, otherwise it will lead to undesirable consequences." What specific consequences for Germany can be discussed is not reported.
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  1. -4
    22 January 2022 12: 01
    I am amazed at the tribalts. First they beg for weapons, and when they receive they are glad. request Gayropean insanity
    1. -11
      22 January 2022 12: 07
      Quote: Seryoga64
      I am amazed at the tribalts. First they beg for weapons, and when they receive they are glad. Gayropean insanity


      So others will protect them there, if that. There were just a few people there in small contingents, the rotation is on, some come, others leave. All the same, it is objectively difficult for these countries to have serious armed forces of a modern level, so they participate as best they can. There are few troops from different countries there, so that the Baltic states feel calmer, nothing more.
      1. -6
        22 January 2022 12: 10
        Quote: Orel
        All the same, it is objectively difficult for these countries to have serious armed forces of a modern level,

        Yes, this is understandable. I'm talking about why was asking?. Crawled on their knees, uncle give
        1. -1
          22 January 2022 12: 15
          Quote: Seryoga64
          I am amazed at the tribalts. First they beg for weapons, and when they receive they are glad. request Gayropean insanity

          For free from the EU, they do nothing.
          1. -4
            22 January 2022 12: 16
            Quote: Tatiana

            For free from the EU, they do nothing.

            But who will understand their cuisine ...
            1. +2
              22 January 2022 12: 22
              Quote: Seryoga64
              But who will understand their cuisine ...

              Their economy is largely supported by the presence of foreign military bases, by servicing foreign military personnel in pubs, restaurants, hotels, small shops, and so on. As well as from the resale of received weapons to other countries.
              1. -3
                22 January 2022 12: 25
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: Seryoga64
                But who will understand their cuisine ...

                Their economy is largely supported by the presence of foreign military bases, by serving foreign military personnel in pubs, restaurants, hotels, and so on. As well as from the resale of received weapons to other countries.

                It's not so simple there. It's what's on the surface
                1. +2
                  22 January 2022 12: 38
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  It's not so simple there. It's what's on the surface

                  I agree with you, but I'll add one more thing.
                  When the Baltic states' own economy is in crisis, the population unconsciously - in a philistine way - rejoices at the very presence of these foreign military men.
                  On this, the United States is building its potential "alliance" with the collective West of Europe in the war with Russia.
                  1. -1
                    22 January 2022 12: 46
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    then the population unconsciously - in a philistine way - rejoices at the very presence of these foreign military men.

                    The age-old habit of having a host nearby
                    1. +1
                      22 January 2022 12: 57
                      Quote: Seryoga64
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      then the population unconsciously - in a philistine way - rejoices at the very presence of these foreign military men.
                      The age-old habit of having a host nearby

                      The Russians, of course, don't like it. Therefore, in the Baltic countries, as before, the indigenous Nazis in power will continue to rot Russians in their own country and abroad.
                      1. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 06
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        indigenous Nazis will be in power

                        Do you propose to go to war against them?
                      2. +2
                        22 January 2022 13: 18
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        native Nazis in power will continue to spread rot in their own country and abroad Russian.

                        Do you propose to go to war against them?

                        So far, for the war against Russia and Russians, the Nazis of Tribaltia are invitingly beating their war drums themselves!
                        And at the same time, do you offer Russia, when they attack us with a war - against Russia - to give in to them?
                        There will definitely not be such a concession to them from Russia!
                      3. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 20
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And at the same time, do you offer Russia, when they attack us with a war - against Russia - to give in to them?

                        And what makes you think that they will go to war with us?
                      4. 0
                        22 January 2022 13: 25
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        And what makes you think that they will go to war with us?

                        They will order "from above" from Washington - and they will go!
                        The Pentagon will not ask the NATO countries for consent to this. There is even a warning from Washington to NATO countries about this.
                      5. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 27
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        They will order "from above" from Washington - and they will go!

                        Well, don't take others for fools
                      6. +3
                        22 January 2022 13: 30
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Well, don't take others for fools

                        Why then were there so many "fools" in Europe in WWII ?! It was then - it will be now!
                      7. -4
                        22 January 2022 13: 32
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Why then were there so many "fools" in Europe in WWII ?!

                        Yes, no Baltic states will go to war against Russia.
                        And no Fashington will give such an order
                      8. 0
                        22 January 2022 13: 38
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Why then were there so many "fools" in Europe in WWII ?!
                        Yes, no Baltic states will go to war against Russia.
                        And no Fashington will give such an order

                        Fresh tradition, but hard to believe!
                        The leadership of the Russian Federation - the president, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - for some reason, like you, does not think so.
                      9. -4
                        22 January 2022 13: 41
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The leadership of the Russian Federation - the president, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - for some reason, like you, does not think so.

                        Do they think the Tribalts might attack us? belay belay
                      10. +1
                        24 January 2022 17: 20
                        The German authorities seem to have decided to stick to reasonable neutrality and independence despite the pressure of the State Department. Success! smile
                      11. 0
                        22 January 2022 13: 57
                        Yes, no Baltic states will go to war against Russia.
                        И
                        ... there are few people there .. so .. a couple of Ozals (the film "a long road in the dunes")
                      12. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 59
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        ..there are few people there..

                        And there will never be much
                      13. +1
                        22 January 2022 14: 02
                        And there will never be much
                        .... and I’m lighting up ... a couple of ozals and scurrying Natevs .... like from Afghanistan
                      14. +2
                        22 January 2022 13: 54
                        Why then were there so many "fools" in Europe in WWII ?!
                        ... well, where are the fools ... after Versailles, the Deutschland was in full line .. and then Adolf with a beer riot ... and then, really, under Hitler, the Deutschland flooded .... euphoria ... but not motivation
                      15. +2
                        22 January 2022 13: 50
                        They will order "from above" from Washington - and they will go!
                        .... for this you need to have motivation .... the first battle of the SS division Galitchina assembled from Bandera and all sorts of scum from the Red Army ..... fled leaving the flanks of the Wehrmacht troops empty and a boiler .... so motivation is an important factor
        2. -6
          22 January 2022 12: 20
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Yes, this is understandable. I'm talking about why was asking?. Crawled on their knees, uncle give


          They have some money now. They even buy something on the military side in recent years. Therefore, one can already begin to forget about the "wretched Chukhonian". They apparently want to transfer something that they think they can replace in the end, and according to the conditions, Germany needs permission to transfer to third countries.
          1. -2
            22 January 2022 12: 22
            Quote: Orel
            and according to the conditions, Germany needs permission to transfer to third countries.

            The guards immediately gave permission to Tallinn
            1. -4
              22 January 2022 12: 26
              Quote: Seryoga64
              The guards immediately gave permission to Tallinn


              Whatever one may say, but Germany is economically much stronger than the United States, which is why it is always difficult for them to make any decisions against us. It hits them too. Therefore, it is easier for the US to take some steps that are sometimes more difficult for Europe to take.
              1. 0
                22 January 2022 12: 29
                Quote: Orel
                Therefore, it is always difficult for them to take any decisions against us.

                But they accept. SP-2 is still not certified
                1. -7
                  22 January 2022 12: 32
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  But they accept. SP-2 is still not certified


                  Germany is generally the worst in this situation in the EU. They were between a rock and an anvil. They drag it to the last, most likely, of course, they will refuse SP-2 and again think about nuclear energy, because SP-2 will not save them from the future gas price of $ 2000, but nuclear energy will save them. Moreover, ITER will be completed soon enough and commercial fusion energy will become a reality, and it is practically safe from the point of view of radiation, even if the reactor cracks and collapses (Germany’s environmental requirements will not interfere with this nuclear energy).
                  1. 0
                    22 January 2022 12: 37
                    Quote: Orel
                    most likely, of course, they will refuse SP-2

                    They won't refuse. Too much invested in
                    1. -5
                      22 January 2022 12: 39
                      Quote: Seryoga64
                      They won't refuse. Too much invested in


                      Time will tell as long as all options are on the table of course.
                      1. -2
                        22 January 2022 12: 41
                        Quote: Orel
                        Time will tell as long as all options are on the table of course.

                        Yes, not on our table
                    2. 0
                      22 January 2022 12: 58
                      .Do not refuse. Too much invested in

                      Foreign investors "invested" only in loans (SP2 - fully paid by Gazprom. Foreign capital - financial borrowed funds). Which Gazprom will be obliged to return.
                      Lost profits and disruption of Germany's energy strategy for industrial development can be discussed. But so far there have been no refusals to register, so far only the postponement of deadlines. The question is that if the rules of "the need for legal regulations for launching" change again, it is quite relevant. Perhaps the German government will continue to "shoot itself in the foot at the insistence of the State Department." Then there are acute desires to punish and put in place. But this is with us, the inhabitants.
                      If we now hold a referendum in Russia on the advisability of dragging with SP2, the majority of the population would send SP2 away and scoff at gas prices in Europe).
                      1. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 09
                        Quote: Kesha1980
                        . Which Gazprom will be obliged to return.

                        The other day I asked somewhere that SP-2 has already paid for itself
                      2. -2
                        22 January 2022 13: 24
                        .The other day I asked somewhere that SP-2 has already paid for itself

                        Sometimes I read it too. There were many such statements here. I constantly read, just remember that Gazprom supplies only under "long" (long-term) contracts. Sometimes the price in them for gas is tied to the "average price for the previous 2 quarters", sometimes according to a certain price ratio "oil / gas for one quarter". The bottom line is that Gazprom does not participate in spot exchanges. Generally! Poland has already "gnawed its fingernails to the elbows" in one trial with Gazprom on this subject - for now it is Poland that has "hit" the most).
                        The “allies” (the States, Norway, a little bit of the Netherlands) are getting welded on, and our LNG sellers (Novatek) are getting a little bit.
                        These cadres (the whole non-gas-exporting Europe) are "shooting themselves in the foot." But here, too, there is significant strategic damage to Russia. They will get used to the high cost of gas and will replace it with other sources. They are getting used to the expensive price of energy carriers - refusing gas.
                      3. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 25
                        Quote: Kesha1980
                        They get used to the minus of gas refusal.

                        You can't get used to
                      4. -2
                        22 January 2022 13: 31
                        Therefore, while the United States (or the so-called "world government" is gaining the upper hand in the strategic confrontation. And the inhabitants and industrialists of Europe are the "layer" in the confrontation. Their governments supply their residents. But our budget is also losing certain profits.
                        Russia and the EU fall, only the States and all gas exporters benefit.
                        But, "no one asks sheep where to go" (I'm talking about the EU).
                      5. -2
                        22 January 2022 13: 34
                        Quote: Kesha1980
                        But, "no one asks sheep where to go" (I'm talking about the EU).

                        The most interesting thing is that the "sheep" understand this, but go
                      6. +1
                        22 January 2022 14: 15
                        "world government", "someone's eggs are in the wrong hands, while the townsfolk are on tik-tok and watching "their news").
                        hi
                  2. 0
                    22 January 2022 14: 12
                    and commercial fusion energy will become a reality, and it is practically safe in terms of radiation,
                    ..... there is a problem ... the first is still a project that is still beyond the horizon of time ... and there is also a problem with induced radiation ... in calculations, the density of the neutron flux and gamma radiation is a million times greater than in nuclear power plants based on nuclear decay
        3. +2
          22 January 2022 12: 32
          Good Sergey. Just the actions of the tribalts are theoretically understandable. The critical mass of problems has shifted towards the Outskirts. The longer the tension in the Donbas, the less the "Russian threat" will be on the borders of the Trikines. It is logical that they don’t fight on two fronts at once))))) So they also assume that the more weapons they “give” the ukrovermacht will resist longer, the longer Russia will not reach them.
          1. -3
            22 January 2022 12: 40
            Quote: zadorin1974
            .So they suggest that the more weapons they "give

            ... the easier it will be to surrender* laughing
            Good hi
            1. +1
              22 January 2022 12: 47
              But why the hell are they needed in captivity? Feed, drink, guard? Step on the rake of Visarionovich? I'm not bloodthirsty, but the problem must be solved once - there is no person !!!! Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, the eastern outskirts are an eternal problem for Russia, although they could have been solved at one time.
              1. -3
                22 January 2022 12: 49
                Quote: zadorin1974
                But fuck they need in captivity

                Yes, you can not take and not feed
                Put a couple of parts in there and that's it.
                1. +1
                  22 January 2022 12: 51
                  It is better to release the territory for the reserve. Only wildlife and scientists.
                  1. -2
                    22 January 2022 12: 53
                    Quote: zadorin1974
                    It is better to free the territory for the reserve

                    Yes, there are solid swamps
                    1. +1
                      22 January 2022 13: 19
                      So much the better. Wild boars, elk, deer, green lungs of the planet.
                      1. -3
                        22 January 2022 13: 21
                        Arranging a safari? laughing
                      2. +2
                        22 January 2022 13: 25
                        It’s better to leave for GRANDCHILDREN. Siberia is already being knocked out. We have a “hunter” under every bush in the Urals. Soon, an elk with a “heel” will only be seen in the zoo.
                      3. -1
                        22 January 2022 13: 28
                        That's why I don't like hunting. I feel sorry for the animals. They have nothing to do with us
                      4. +2
                        22 January 2022 15: 56
                        Quote: zadorin1974
                        It is better to leave for grandchildren

                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        That's why I don't like hunting.

                        respect to both comrades
                        I also can't stand killing animals for pleasure or profit.
        4. 0
          22 January 2022 12: 59
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Yes, this is understandable. I'm talking about why was asking?. Crawled on their knees, uncle give

          They crawled to be given, they crawled to be given to pass - both of them are not their initiative.
          Just a two-move of the hosts. hi
      2. +2
        22 January 2022 12: 17
        The Czechs turned out to be in a better position - they will shake off 152 mm Soviet-made shells for Ukraine, there is no Union, and there is no need to ask permission.
        1. -2
          22 January 2022 12: 23
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          The Czechs were in a better position -

          Turned out to be smarter
        2. +2
          22 January 2022 12: 38
          Calculate for yourself how much the factory disposal of the PSU costs. Plus the threat of a man-made nature (suddenly again Petrov and Basharov, or even CAM!!!!). Plus the ecology. at home building.
    2. +3
      22 January 2022 12: 11
      Since they do this, they need to show once and for all how it shoots, their territory is quite suitable for this. And something tells me that NATO membership will in no way save fools from punishment ... when the time "H" comes.
      1. +1
        22 January 2022 12: 14
        Quote: Neurostimulator
        won't save fools

        That's why they don't take them to Natu
        They've already recruited fools and decided enough is enough
    3. +2
      22 January 2022 12: 14
      Quote: Seryoga64
      I am amazed at the tribalts. First they beg for weapons, and when they receive they are glad.

      Everything is in the hands of the owner, they do what they order.
      1. -1
        22 January 2022 12: 19
        Quote: carpenter
        Everything is in the hands of the owner, they do what they order.

        It doesn't matter what's not
        And most likely they understood that if something happens, it will not become easier for them from this weapon
        1. +3
          22 January 2022 12: 33
          Quote: Seryoga64
          It doesn't matter what's not
          And most likely they understood that if something happens, it will not become easier for them from this weapon

          Creation of the brand "the whole world with the outskirts".
          1. -2
            22 January 2022 12: 42
            Quote: carpenter
            Creation of the brand "the whole world with the outskirts"

            Verily laughing
    4. +1
      22 January 2022 12: 28
      They bark on command, and bark on command. And the command is given by the Fashington authorities, hiding behind the flabby body of old Biden.
      1. -1
        22 January 2022 12: 31
        Quote: Emergency
        They bark on command, and bark on command.

        Instinct developed over the centuries
        1. +2
          22 January 2022 12: 35
          Quote: Seryoga64

          Instinct developed over the centuries

          The Germans could teach well, so until now, everything is at the gene level.
          1. -2
            22 January 2022 12: 43
            Quote: carpenter
            The Germans could teach well

            The teaching continues
    5. +1
      22 January 2022 12: 31
      Quote: Seryoga64
      I am amazed at the tribalts. First they beg for weapons, and when they receive they are glad. request Gayropean insanity

      This is not insanity, but a way to earn at least something and at the same time curry favor with the overlord by following their command.
      1. -2
        22 January 2022 12: 33
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        but a way to make some money

        They give for it
        1. 0
          22 January 2022 12: 41
          Then, as they say, as it came and gone, but the sediment remained, and the plus sign was earned.
          1. -3
            22 January 2022 12: 52
            Most likely they realized that they did not need it at all. They won't fight anyway
            1. +1
              22 January 2022 12: 55
              Do you think it got there? I doubt.
              1. -2
                22 January 2022 13: 04
                But not me. They are not used to fighting. Farmers
    6. 0
      22 January 2022 21: 15
      Quote: Seryoga64
      .First, they beg for weapons, and when they receive them, they are pleased.

      -------------------------
      Why? Weapons are a commodity, and a commodity is a business. Nothing personal.
  2. +5
    22 January 2022 12: 05
    On the issue of the supply of weapons to Ukraine, the German government has taken a principled position and so far adheres to it. Other EU members, following the example of the United States for distillation, are in a hurry to sell or alloy obsolete weapons to the Bandera regime. At the same time, the Ukrainian side brazenly threatens the FRG, and the Ukrainian ambassador went completely crazy, which caused discontent in the German environment. Germany supported the 1914 coup, actively supported the regime (financially and politically), imposed sanctions against Russia together with the EU, and in response such black ingratitude. Probably rightly so - know who you are nurturing.
    1. 0
      22 January 2022 12: 52
      What coup did Germany support in 1914?, I forgot something.
      1. 0
        23 January 2022 02: 54
        Of course 2014, a typo. It happens to everyone.
    2. 0
      22 January 2022 13: 17
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Germany supported the 1914 coup

      Maybe all the same, 2014? In 1914, Germany was busy with other things .. For example, it started World War I
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  4. +3
    22 January 2022 12: 06
    Well, they jumped, now Ukraine is threatening Germany.
    If it goes on like this, they will begin to threaten the United States as well.
    1. -1
      22 January 2022 12: 20
      Quote: 75Sergey
      then they will begin to threaten the United States.

      And the prezyclown has already begun to snarl
      1. +2
        22 January 2022 12: 29
        Quote: Seryoga64
        And the prezyclown has already begun to snarl

        It seems that he signed some kind of sanctions against Russia, either yesterday or today. Probably off the gas. hi
        1. 0
          22 January 2022 12: 35
          Quote: NDR-791
          Probably off the gas.

          He would rather refuse his wife than this feeder hi
  5. +2
    22 January 2022 12: 12
    In Berlin, they began to recall more often that the FRG is one of the guarantors of compliance with the Minsk agreements.

    And the Germans understand this, and the United States is trying to provoke them by transferring lethal weapons to Ukraine through Estonia.
  6. +2
    22 January 2022 12: 20
    And the Czechs simply give 152-caliber shells to Ukraine, and nothing. The Czechs are closer to Germany, it's time for the Germans to turn their eyes to the south.
  7. +1
    22 January 2022 13: 04
    The German Parliament denied Estonia the possibility of transferring German weapons to Ukraine
    . Green, they are. Moreover, being in the government, they need to earn political points for the future.
    It is possible, indeed.
    A certain part of society will support them in this.
  8. +1
    22 January 2022 13: 07
    Ukraine will impose sanctions against Germany, everyone in Germany is in shock - what a horror, what to do.
  9. +1
    22 January 2022 13: 25
    There is almost nothing in German weapons in Estonia .. only trucks and 9mm pistols .. And the antediluvian ATGM Milan now has no value ..
    From the only heavy depth of the FH-70, 155mm caliber, the Ukrainians are also not interested because of the lack of shells .. The Germans know what they gave the Estonians. And they play a double game for both sides ..
  10. sen
    +1
    22 January 2022 13: 50
    The German Parliament denied Estonia the possibility of transferring German weapons to Ukraine

    Germany is trying to be neutral and not spoil relations with Russia as much as possible within the framework of NATO and the European Union.
  11. +1
    22 January 2022 13: 51
    Unwanted consequences for Berlin from Kiev? Well made fun lol
    1. 0
      22 January 2022 14: 31
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      Unwanted consequences for Berlin from Kiev? lol

      Of course not. Take care of themselves. Undesirable consequences for Kiev from Berlin. wassat
  12. 0
    22 January 2022 14: 25
    The German Parliament denied Estonia the possibility of transferring German weapons to Ukraine

    Of course, Estonia is just a mongrel, trying to make money on the transit of weapons, and in Germany they take such things much more seriously. And stinking deals will not be engaged.
  13. -1
    22 January 2022 14: 29
    The Verkhovna Rada criticized the German colleagues and stated that Germany "needs to reconsider its position, otherwise it will lead to undesirable consequences."

    "undesirable consequences" for whom? How can one not remember: "The great kingdom will be destroyed"?
  14. +7
    22 January 2022 15: 34
    In Berlin, they began to recall more often that the FRG is one of the guarantors of compliance with the Minsk agreements.

    And it shouldn't be forgotten.
  15. +1
    22 January 2022 21: 21
    The German parliamentarians noted that the weapons supplied to Ukraine could be used against Ukrainian citizens. It seems that even the German parliamentarians care about the fate of Ukrainian citizens more than the authorities of Ukraine itself. It is added that Germany is categorically against escalation and calls on the parties to the conflict to fulfill their obligations under the Minsk agreements.
    ---------------------------------
    Germany has already equipped Europe economically, since it needs to give weapons to regimes that can start using them at the command of someone else, well, Germany doesn’t need this at all. It would be even better if it were some kind of conditional Afghanistan, Qatar, Iraq, then please, this is all far away and conditional Schmeisser bullets or conditional Rheinmetall shells will not reach Saxony. But Ukraine, it's at a distance of a tank throw.
  16. 0
    24 January 2022 07: 19
    apparently something happened to the view of German politicians and the military, then the admiral for Crimea dared to tell his truth, then the parliament of Ukrainians gave a ride with toys