Greek Foreign Minister: We are the only EU and NATO country facing a real threat of war

The Greek armed forces have a large number tanksthan French and German combined. And Greece has more frigates than the Netherlands.

Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs Nikos Dendias spoke about this at the forum taking place in Croatia.

The Greek Foreign Minister also added that his country with a population of 11 million people has a military aviation, with more than 250 aircraft and one of the strongest in Europe.

The minister explained that not the richest European state is simply forced to maintain such powerful armed forces.

We are the only EU and NATO country facing a real threat of war

Dendias said.

According to a senior Greek official, his state is threatened by neighboring Turkey. This is despite the fact that Turkey and Greece are members of the same military bloc - NATO.

Dendias believes that Greece would not need such a defensive power if there was a single European army. According to the minister, now there is an urgent need for the EU to create its own armed forces independent of NATO. In fact, we are talking about the fact that NATO does not have the unity that Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg constantly talks about. Proof of this are the words of the head of the Greek Foreign Ministry.

As previously reported in the Greek press, the Greek Cypriot research vessel Nautical Geo was detained by a Turkish Navy ship. The Turks forbade the ship to proceed to the research area, although it is in the territorial waters of Cyprus.

Comments

[mitroha]

The Turks, or rather Erdogan's "Wishlist", are a real threat not only to Greece. And, the Greeks can be understood, it’s a show off from the state in NATO or the European Union, if they have to solve their problems exclusively on their own, at their own expense. Although it consists partly of EU loans, Greece will still have to give them back

[Orel]

Quote: Mitroha

The Turks, or rather Erdogan's "Wishlist", are a real threat not only to Greece. And, the Greeks can be understood, pontu then from the state in NATO or the European Union

The most interesting thing is that if it were not for the membership of both countries in NATO, then they would have fought each other for a long time, and possibly more than once. They have many reasons and disagreements. Negotiations on the basis of the alliance platform have more than once kept them from resolving disputes militarily, we will see how it will be next.

[Normann]

Turkey would emerge victorious from a probable conflict, with heavy losses, but ...

[bashkir]

Judging by the military-industrial complex and GDP, the Turks are more likely to win this war. I wonder what our position will take. Defend Orthodox Greece? (part of NATO) Or a friendly, but Muslim Turkey? (part of NATO)

[Normann]

More like neutrality.

[Doccor18]

Sense of the large army of Greece, if its economy is in a coma ...

[Sergej1972]

The Greek army is provided with all the necessary resources in case of a limited war. There is no direct dependence on the state of the economy.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Sergej1972

The Greek army is provided with all the necessary resources in case of limited war.

It may be so, of course. With only one exception - if you are preparing only for a limited war, then you have already lost.

[Normann]

It makes no sense for countries like Greece to prepare for a full-scale war "everyone is against me"

[NDR-791]

Why all??? Taking into account the theater of operations, one Turkey is enough for them with their eyes so that the limited one turns into a complete kirdyk. In the same place, disputes are more about deposits, and not about small islands.

[Normann]

I didn't mean Greece

[NDR-791]

How everything is running ... And we're talking about Greece, boobies.

[Normann]

I'm talking about everything against me)

[NDR-791]

Quote: Normann

I'm talking about everything against me)

Tyuyuyu ... Tsoi also wrote about this - "The whole world is going to war against me"

[Normann]

The truth is not yet obtained, well, almost succeeded.

[NDR-791]

Well, that's how it goes. In which direction and in what forest - this is not known to science.

[Pavlos Melas]

In the same place, disputes are more about deposits, and not about small islands

In fact, Turkish politicians are already demanding the settlement of the island and not sleeping islands.

[NDR-791]

Appetite comes with eating. But one does not contradict the other. Syrian oil workers living with their families on the islands and servicing wells for Turkey are just an almost free gift. And there are many of them.

[sailor roman]

The ability to conduct long-term combat operations depends not only on the quantity and quality of heavy military equipment, aviation and ships, the economy, but on the experience of military leadership, the combat qualities of the armed forces and, most importantly, mobilization resource, and in Turkey it is eight times higher than Greek.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Sergej1972

The Greek army is provided with all the necessary resources in case of a limited war. There is no direct dependence on the state of the economy.

They are heavily in debt, and it is $610 billion. The public debt is $439 billion, which is more than 206% of GDP, and this is only for April 2021. They refuse to pay the EU.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Doccor18

Sense of the large army of Greece, if its economy is in a coma ...

In fairness, Turkey is also not all right with the economy. Lyra collapses...

[Doccor18]

Quote: Hyperion

Lyra collapses...

Collapses...
GDP does not reflect much, of course, but the difference between Turkey and Greece is 8 times! all the same, it says something ... I won’t talk about the Greek national debt, otherwise the conversation might come up about the USA, and this is for a long time ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: Doccor18

the difference between Turkey and Greece is 8 times!

So, of course, Turkey will be stronger than Greece, a fact. But it seems to me that if a conflict arises between Turkey and Greece, NATO's sympathies will be on the side of the latter. After all, Greece is the cradle of democracy and European civilization. And NATO loves to "defend democracy."

[Doccor18]

Quote: Hyperion

But it seems to me that if a conflict arises between Turkey and Greece, NATO's sympathies will be on the side of the latter.

Oh, and this is a difficult question. It's possible that things won't turn out the way you think...
Turkey is an important link in NATO, remove it, and the organization will immediately feel it. The weakening of Turkey is the strengthening of Iran and Russia, this is an unclear prospect of the Black Sea straits ...
Remove Greece, no one will notice anything ... The weakening of Greece is the strengthening of Turkey, and the Anglo-Saxons know how to "deal" with it. Proven for centuries...

[Hypertension]

Quote: Doccor18

Remove Greece, no one will notice anything ...

Well, don't tell me... In the USA, for example, they call it Sparta. And there are races (civilian and military), and there is such a city in America, and an armored car in Canada, and in fantasy games many people are called Spartans (uberzoldat in HALO, for example), and in the 4th Airborne Brigade they have "Spartans", and films are made where spartan jocks in leather shorts overcome hordes of ugly Persians (Iranians), etc., etc. The space missions Apollo and Artemis again ... They respect, in general, Greek culture in general, and Spartan culture in particular.
On the other hand, Turkey is very important for NATO, you are right. Therefore, while Greece and Turkey are in NATO, and this NATO itself still exists, the conflict between them is very hypothetical. If something happens, both sides will calm down. Someone with a whip, and someone with a carrot.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Hyperion

Therefore, while Greece and Turkey are in NATO, and this NATO itself still exists, the conflict between them is very hypothetical.

I absolutely agree.

[Alf]

Quote: Hyperion

And NATO loves to "defend democracy."

NATO loves to protect whoever it needs at the moment. And everyone knows perfectly well how NATO members can change their shoes in a jump.

[Hypertension]

NATO has not openly thrown any of its members so far. Sixes, striving there - it was the case, and more than once. That's why they are six ...

[Alf]

Quote: Hyperion

NATO has not openly thrown any of its members so far. Sixes, striving there - it was the case, and more than once. That's why they are six ...

Turkey is NATO's southern outpost to contain Russia.
Greece is like an outpost against the Great Turan.
The question is, who will NATO support in the event of a conflict between these countries?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Alf

The question is, who will NATO support in the event of a conflict between these countries?

As I already wrote: while both countries are in NATO, they are unlikely to fight among themselves. And if Turkey starts building the "Great Turan", then it will not stay long in NATO - the United States will not allow the creation of another pole of power.

[Alf]

Quote: Hyperion

And if Turkey starts building the "Great Turan", then it will not stay long in NATO - the United States will not allow the creation of another pole of power.

Controversial assertion. If Turkey leaves NATO, then the USA will really get a REAL center of power, it is much more profitable for America to keep Turkey in NATO and periodically give a cap so that it does not stand out.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Alf

It is much more profitable for America to keep Turkey in NATO and periodically give a cap so that it does not stand out.

Here. And "feeding" Turkey with Greek territories is also not profitable. Appetite comes with eating, and it is not a fact that the Turks, having received the lands of Greece, will not feel excessive confidence in their own account.
And if Turkey thinks too much of itself, then you can always play the Kurdish card.

[bashkir]

The strength of an army is determined not by its numbers, but by its combat readiness. Are the Bulgarians ready for war? I think no! Why not. Because they have not been ready to give their lives for "democracy" for 2 centuries))))) And, damn it, freedom!

[Doccor18]

Quote: Bashkir

The strength of an army is determined not by its numbers, but by its combat readiness.

Well-known fact.
But in addition to combat readiness, there must also be a reliable rear (food, industrial and financial independence and self-sufficiency). Greece is at sea with all this. Therefore, be the Greeks three times combat-ready, without a reliable rear, they will not last long.

[bashkir]

I agree, the rear is an important indicator of the war. In the Second World War, the maximum figure was 12 million fighters - this is less than 10-12% of the able-bodied male population, and the USSR barely dragged it. In total, about 35 million men fought. Here is the arithmetic. Extrapolate to Russia. We can put "10 million" men to war without losing the economy. For total war, I will come with the children. "More" 5 million.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Bashkir

Extrapolate to Russia. We can... For total war...

For a TOTAL war, in my opinion, not a single country in the world is ready now. The same China, with its powerful demographic, industrial and military potentials, is also not ready, because, like Germany 80 years ago, it will quickly begin to experience a shortage of resources that need to be transported because of the seas and oceans ...
As for Russia, having on its shelves from 50 to 75% of imports, it is simply ridiculous to think about a serious armed conflict ...

[yuriy55]

Greek Foreign Minister: We are the only EU and NATO country facing a real threat of war

Leave NATO and join the CSTO and you will be the only country in Europe - a former member of NATO, which is not threatened by anything ...

[Bradley]

Leave NATO and join the CSTO and you will be the only country in Europe - a former member of NATO, which is not in danger... lol

And what is the use of the CSTO for them?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Bradley

And what is the use of the CSTO for them?

There is no Turkey...

[Bradley]

There is no Turkey... yes

Me for Greece it will change something?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Bradley

And what is the use of the CSTO for them?

a CSTO base will appear in the Mediterranean Sea ... Instead of Turkey, we will fly to Greece ... tourism ... military change olives to gas?

[faiver]

yeah, the Americans and the EU will turn off the financial tap for them, and the Greeks will ask for money from us, not enough ...

[carpenter]

Quote: yuriy55

Leave NATO and join the CSTO and you will be the only country in Europe - a former member of NATO, which is not threatened by anything ..

The owner will not allow Greece to leave NATO, even if Turkey attacks Greece, rather give it to the sultan to be devoured.

[Nross]

The Greeks can be advised to interact more actively with Syria, and in particular, through them - against the Kurds. The creation of a quasi-independent Kurdistan on 1/3 of Turkey is an excellent option to divert the Turkish military machine from encroachments to the west, into the Aegean Sea. Yes, you will not envy Cyprus, but the division of Cyprus is the result of their, in fact, multi-vector nature 60 years ago.
The weakening of Turkey is also beneficial for Israel, so it is not clear what, apart from the hegemon, can interfere with this. Moreover, the Americans themselves in the mid-00s were seriously working on this map.

[Sergej1972]

Both the Greeks of Greece and the Greek Cypriots are partly to blame for the division of Cyprus. It seems to me that both parts of Cyprus should recognize each other for a long time. and then either create a confederation, preferably a federation, or become part of Turkey and Greece, respectively. At the very least, exist as two generally recognized states.

[Never mind]

At one time, the Greeks dzhalan and extradited to the Turks. Paradox!

[no better place for]

This was not

[tralflot1832]

But there’s nothing to get close to Turkey, doesn’t it remind you of anything now?

[Denis812]

Is that your sarcasm? :)
Greece has had this geography for thousands of years.
But if we are joking here, then Greece should raise the question of the return of Troy, as an honestly conquered territory. :)

[tralflot1832]

I’m only for it if Erdogan wants to set aside his red line in the Aegean Sea. NATO already betrayed Greece, in 1974 Greece left NATO. So there is a precedent, the Sultan will have something to do, the Navy with the Air Force with the Greeks will be in business. !

[Denis812]

I understand your idea, but I ask you to pay attention to the grammar.
Perhaps you are writing from your phone, of course :)

Greece will not leave NATO, of course.
Her economy is not very good, to put it mildly. The only alternative to NATO is the CSTO.
And the Russian Federation will not pull out military assistance to Greece.

[tralflot1832]

Why do we need to climb into Greece with its many billions of dollars in debt. The best option for us is if NATO conducts an operation to force Erdogan to peace, if the Sultan goes far.

[Denis812]

I wrote above that Greece is not very useful for us.
Unless he starts a war with Turkey.
What needs to be worked on.

[no better place for]

So far, the United States is concentrating troops in Greece against the Russian Federation

[VyacheSeymour]

But if we are joking here, then Greece should raise the question of the return of Troy, as an honestly conquered territory. :)

What else needs to be asked about the return of Greece: two or three dozen Alexandria, Sevastopol, Simfiropolis, Theodosius ...?

[carpenter]

Quote: tralflot1832

But there’s nothing to get close to Turkey, doesn’t it remind you of anything now?

In 1913, as a result of the defeat of the Ottomans in the Balkan wars, the islands adjacent to the territory of modern Turkey were conquered and occupied by Greece. The largest of them are Lesvos and Crete.
Rhodes and other Dodecanese Islands in the 47th, as a result of the demands of the inhabitants, the islands were annexed to Greece.
Territorial conflicts still flare up between Greece and Turkey over these islands and the maritime economic zone, since there are many border small islands between these countries with an uncertain status, and rich hydrocarbon deposits have been found in these waters.

[tralflot1832]

Deposits must be protected! But my opinion is that they will come to the 50/50 option Greece Turkey. And in every 50% there will be 25% of American investors.

[carpenter]

Quote: tralflot1832

Deposits must be protected! But my opinion is that they will come to the 50/50 option Greece Turkey. And in every 50% there will be 25% of American investors.

More likely, out of 50% Turkish and Greek, every 50% will at least be US.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, I'm the same for this 25 × 2 = 50

[Region39KGD]

Traitors of Orthodoxy are going to fight with the Turks? Yes, they lie under them and will soon accept Islam.

[Mouse]

We are the only EU and NATO country facing a real threat of war

So here it is .... in one fell swoop, the country was sent to the backyards ..

[Crash]

So the country is not in the EU and not in NATO, if sclerosis does not fail me ...

[Mouse]

So what? In their opinion, they are already there and there .... they cultivate the topic .... every day ....

[rotmistr60]

We are the only EU and NATO country facing a real threat of war

Maybe so. Although, if Turkey wanted to attack, the EU would have kept silent, and NATO said figure it out for yourself. That's just the content is something that reminds me a lot. And, the country that is the only one "fighting" with Russia defending the European one. democracy. And the complaints are similar, and the hand is also extended ...

[abrakadabre]

Dendias believes that Greece would not need such a defensive power if there was a single European army.

A naive non-Chukotka guy. In this case, the danger from Turkey would only increase. It’s just that the Turks would have pulled off an attack by the forces of some kind of National Guard or their analogue of the internal troops. By a strange coincidence, which would have been armed with heavy weapons and aviation. But everything Greek would be under the command of foreigners.

[Ivan Kovalier]

He forgot to add that Russia saved them from the Turks. Under great opposition from their current "allies".

[SPQR]

If the Greeks were capable of something, then the Croatian "storm" would have been held in Northern Cyprus long ago ....
Northern Cyprus OUR is not about them ...

[Tomato]

Excluded. Greece's attack on Turkey makes no sense to consider. Erdogan is also not an economic suicide. The economic and technological dependence on the EU and the US is huge.

[parkello]

they wanted this photo near me, it’s called Papanareu street, old Antern, tpm where is jank ... next to the park where we walk our dogs)))