Mass use of MANPADS "Verba" will work out in exercises in Belarus

The mass use of Verba portable anti-aircraft missile systems to cover ground forces will be practiced during the upcoming Allied Resolve-2022 exercises, which will be held on the territory of Belarus. As stated in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the military will work out the creation of an "anti-drone dome".

Interception not only drones, but also managed aviation ammunition is planned to be worked out during joint Russian-Belarusian military exercises. Reportedly "News" citing sources in the military department, the military intends to work out a new system of protection against drones.

If simplified and without details, then the Verba MANPADS crews will be distributed over a large area in order to create the so-called "anti-drone dome". Anti-aircraft gunners will intercept enemy drones and guided aircraft munitions. Details are not disclosed.

It is emphasized that the new missile MANPADS "Verba" has dramatically increased the capabilities of the complex to combat small drones. Compared to MANPADS of earlier versions, the Verba is more noise-resistant, the missile does not respond to traps, and the operator does not need to track the launched missile, the complex operates on the principle: "fire and forget." In addition, the complex can be integrated into a single control system and receive target designation from external sources.

MANPADS "Verba" is the most modern of the Russian man-portable systems, it was put into service just a few years ago. At present, the troops are being saturated with new MANPADS. The troops are supplied with MANPADS in a kit, which, in addition to the anti-aircraft systems themselves, includes the Harmon radar stations, the Barnaul-T automated control systems and armored vehicles for transporting anti-aircraft crews.

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[yuriy55]

It is emphasized that the new missile MANPADS "Verba" has dramatically increased the capabilities of the complex to combat small drones.

Anti-aircraft gunners will intercept enemy drones and guided aircraft munitions.

It’s good that they will train and check: hard in teaching, easy in battle!

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And what, Verba can see small drones and ammunition?
Good if so.
But even hard to believe. I didn’t find information anywhere about the device of her GOS, but I didn’t find any information that ours learned to do pattern recognition in such dimensions. Like as soon as they promise in the future.

[The leader of the Redskins]

News, after, the one where Ukrainian anti-tankers destroyed seven tanks in 36 seconds? Very similar.

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

News, after, the one where Ukrainian anti-tankers destroyed seven tanks in 36 seconds? Very similar.

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Very similar? Did they tell you that 36 American UAVs were shot down in 7 seconds ???
PS This already looks like a "diagnosis": in the article it was written that they were going to use the mass use of the Verba air defense system to create an "anti-drone dome" (to combat the massive use of UAVs and IOS) or did I misunderstand something? So, what is the similarity here? Or is it like this: to blurt out anything in order to demonstrate oneself to the people?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"Verba" - a good warning to fans of "Bayraktars"!

[SKVichyakow]

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And what, Verba can see small drones and ammunition?
Good if so.
But even hard to believe. I didn’t find information anywhere about the device of her GOS, but I didn’t find any information that ours learned to do pattern recognition in such dimensions. Like as soon as they promise in the future.

since it is launched from the hand, it will go to what the person launching it sees.

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Quote: SKVichyakow

she will go to what the person who launches her sees.

No.
She will go for what her GOS sees. And it depends on the principle of her device what she sees and what not. And at what distance.

[SKVichyakow]

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Quote: SKVichyakow

she will go to what the person who launches her sees.

No.
She will go for what her GOS sees. And it depends on the principle of her device what she sees and what not. And at what distance.

And I thought the launcher is aiming it, and the MANPADS head should just at the same time capture the target, but does this MANPADS target a person?

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Quote: SKVichyakow

And I thought the launcher is aiming it, and the MANPADS head should just capture the target, but does this MANPADS target a person?

A person aims by directing the GOS towards the target. The GOS, in order to capture a target, must first see it. Moreover, before launch, i.e. at maximum range.

[SKVichyakow]

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Quote: SKVichyakow

And I thought the launcher is aiming it, and the MANPADS head should just capture the target, but does this MANPADS target a person?

A person aims by directing the GOS towards the target. The GOS, in order to capture a target, must first see it. Moreover, before launch, i.e. at maximum range.

What did I write? Or is it possible to aim a missile without pointing the head towards the target?

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Quote: SKVichyakow

What did I write?

the head of the MANPADS should simply, at the same time, capture the target

my answer is that it's not easy at all.

[SKVichyakow]

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Quote: SKVichyakow

What did I write?

the head of the MANPADS should simply, at the same time, capture the target

my answer is that it's not easy at all.

It's just that it's simple. After a command, or without a command, "air on the left (right)" pointed in the direction of target detection, target acquisition, launch. I omit some (two) operations.

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Quote: SKVichyakow

pointed in the direction of target detection, target acquisition, launch.

Not. not so easy.
I repeat once again that target acquisition implies that the GOS is able to see this target. To do this, the target must have an appropriate thermal contrast.
If the target is cold, then the GOS simply does not see it stupidly. And no matter what "Harmonies" will show an arrow where the target is, it will be useless.

[kytx]

She also has an ols. Both systems operate in parallel.

[YOUR]

In this case, the person is in favor of a detection device, the missile will go there what it detects and captures its TGSN.

[JonnyT]

she sees:

In addition, the complex can be integrated into a single control system and receive target designation from external sources.

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Quote: JonnyT

she sees:

In addition, the complex can be integrated into a single control system and receive target designation from external sources.

And how do you imagine this?
For example, I tell the operator in the ear or draw on the tablet in which direction to turn and how high to lift his head, no more.

[JonnyT]

zone of control based on s400. Willow is integrated into this zone. don't forget that

"Verba" received a unique aiming system with elements of augmented reality, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. Now MANPADS can shoot down planes, helicopters and missiles, even if the objects have not yet entered the field of view of the anti-aircraft gunner. It also makes it possible to combine all the calculations of the anti-aircraft complex into a single combat network controlled in real time.

In terms of performance characteristics, it has an altitude of 3500, a range of 6000 (these are declared), everything above and beyond is targets for other systems.

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Now MANPADS can shoot down planes, helicopters and missiles, even if the objects have not yet entered the field of view of the shooter-

Those. you can just launch a rocket somewhere "there", and the seeker will find the target on its own already in flight?
Well cool, huh.

[Andrey Moskvin]

As I understand it, the GOS should have some kind of viewing angle?

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As I understand it, the GOS should have some kind of viewing angle?

And more sensitivity, in order to be able to consider the target at the desired range.
I just always believed that the GOS must first see and capture the target, and only then the missile can be launched.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

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And more sensitivity, in order to be able to consider the target at the desired range.
I just always believed that the GOS must first see and capture the target, and only then the missile can be launched.

But is it not possible that the functions of the GOS are performed by an external guidance system? They dictate to the fighter in the earpiece: you turn by so many degrees, you pull the launcher by so many. Start! And then the external system sees the target and guides the missile to the target. And at the right moment, it blows up. Well, like this?

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But is it not possible that the functions of the GOS are performed by an external guidance system?

Theoretically yes.
But nothing like this is written about Verba, most likely such a function is not provided there.

[YOUR]

Quote: JonnyT

"Verba" received a unique aiming system with elements of augmented reality, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. Now MANPADS can shoot down planes, helicopters and missiles, even if the objects have not yet entered the field of view of the anti-aircraft gunner. It also makes it possible to combine all the calculations of the anti-aircraft complex into a single combat network controlled in real time.

How do you understand this if the rocket is induced by heat radiation.
Here is a gunner with a MANPADS pipe on his shoulder, how can he be combined into a single combat network? Your assumptions

[akropin]

in addition to the anti-aircraft systems themselves, there are Harmon radar stations, Barnaul-T automated control systems and armored vehicles for transporting anti-aircraft crews

Personally, I read between the lines that a fighter is a launcher, all mathematics is decided for him.

[YOUR]

So there is no math. There is a TGSN that captures the target on its own. Fighter, you correctly identified it as a launcher, after hearing a beep in the earpiece, a buzzer sounds, presses the Start key. And the family went. Yes, I forgot the interrogator 1L14-1 is attached to the launch tube. First, a target request is made so as not to fire at your own. And after that start.
The MANPADS also includes a portable electronic tablet (PEP) 1L15-1 designed to receive the control center and alert the location, direction of movement and ownership of "friend or foe" air targets within a radius of 12,5 km. The second calculation number works with PEP. Information about the air situation at the PEP is received via a radio channel from the radar.
What happens in real life. The commander looks at the PEP screen, it can display a maximum of 4 targets, no more. Then he gives a voice command to the gunner to the anti-aircraft gunner target ... azimuth ... range ... height .... The shooter turns in the indicated direction. Further, what I wrote at the beginning.
That's all automation.

[28st region]

At least one normal comment. without any fantasy. And then there are so many gynyrals and admirals who know where to go. They just don't want to go to serve in the army.

[YOUR]

I wonder who you offended so much with your comment that you put a minus

[konstantin68]

... where, in addition to the anti-aircraft systems themselves, the Harmon radar stations are included,
Apparently an external control center is possible

[JonnyT]

The new control system unites all "Verba" divisions into a single circuit. Each fighter can see on the screen the location of the target and its parameters. The platoon or battery commander is able to distribute targets between crews from his workplace, create massive or concentrated fire, and also set "anti-aircraft traps" in real time.

Not just an external control center, but a mark in the viser with coordinates and performance characteristics

[Cube123]

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And what, Verba can see small drones and ammunition?

Her head is specially sharpened for these tasks. Plus the possibility of external target designation from the radar.
https://topwar.ru/150530-ruchnye-kompleksy-pvo-chast-10-pzrk-verba.html

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Quote: Cube123

Her head is specially sharpened for these tasks. Plus the possibility of external target designation from the radar.

External target designation is purely for the fighter where to turn the missile. No information and / or control commands are provided for the rocket itself from the outside.
And the GOS, yes, more advanced than that of the Strela, 2,5 times. And how much it is in meters they will not tell us.

[venik]

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And what, Verba can see small drones and ammunition?

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Imagine - CAN! There is a 3-band seeker (one - optical (photocontrast) and 2 - IR (different ranges) - very sensitive to weak thermal signatures (including drones with internal combustion engines).
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I didn’t find the info that ours learned to do pattern recognition in such dimensions.

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"What the fuck ass" revolver ", if the pop - not a bully?" (Old post-revolutionary joke)
And why is it needed there, if the rocket is aimed even at weak infrared radiation?

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Quote: venik

the rocket is guided even by weak infrared radiation?

Weak-strong, it's all relative.
From the exact information that the detection range is 2,5 times greater, and how many meters it is and what this "weak radiation" is, they will not tell us.

[venik]

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but how much is it in meters and what is this "weak radiation" they will not tell us.

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Definitely - DO NOT TELL! The GOS sensitivity diagram is infa with the stamp "Soviet secret" (systems with a modified GOS are exported)! WHAT did you want?

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Quote: venik

WHAT did you want?

What I meant to say is that this pro-dyvodrone dome might end up with a bit of a hole in it.

[venik]

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What I meant to say is that this pro-dyvodrone dome might end up with a bit of a hole in it.

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But it is precisely FOR THIS that the exercises are conducted!
PS At the same time, by the concept of "exercises" - I do not mean that "show-off" for lured "journalists" that the Armed Forces of Ukraine arranged the other day!

[Vadim237]

It’s very interesting how Willow will shoot it down

[venik]

Quote: Vadim237

It’s very interesting how Willow will shoot it down

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And what, the photocontrast mode for MANPADS has already been "cancelled"?

[Vadim237]

In order for the missile to capture such a target in the UV range, the target still needs to be seen, and with such objects this is a very difficult task, and the radar has a dead zone in height from 10 to 20 meters above the ground.

[venik]

Quote: Vadim237

and the radar has a dead zone in height from 10 to 20 meters above the ground.

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Yah? But how then are ground targets and even people detected using radar ???? Probably lying?!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It’s very interesting how Willow will shoot it down

..... well, it waxes if the Needle has a three-band IR seeker from 1.5 µm to 5 µm .... 5 µm is the temperature of a domestic wind blower ... in Verba, along the way, the capture of 5 µm is most likely higher

[businessv]

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But even hard to believe. I did not find anywhere information about the device of her GOS

Judging by the photo (if it is Verba), then the head there is radically different from the Arrow and its analogues.

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Quote: businessv

Judging by the photo (if it is Verba), then the head there is radically different from the Arrow and its analogues.

And how could you understand the GOS device from the photo of the pipe?
I understood from the description that it is just traditional - a mirror and a rotating sector, the number of photodetectors has just been increased.

[businessv]

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And how could you understand the GOS device from the photo of the pipe?

And I wrote that I understood the device? Have you ever seen GOS Arrows asking such questions? This photo shows the head, if you do not understand what is visible there, in the pipe!

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Quote: businessv

Have you ever seen GOS Arrows

Now I specifically looked for them, they look exactly the same.

[businessv]

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Now I specifically looked for them, they look exactly the same.

And do you think it's the same thing? Can't tell a lens from a pencil? Are you kidding or just blind? If the visually impaired, then I forgive!

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Quote: businessv

Can't tell a lens from a pencil? Are you kidding or just blind?

A little blind, yes. But only in one eye.
But confused not from this, but from inattention.
Just a stereotype of thinking, about the fact that there was something else before the Needle, flew out of my head. For half a century now, all of our MANPADS have had the same "pencil" and it seems that this is the only way it has always been.
But GOS, by the way, they do not fundamentally differ. This is for aerodynamics.

[businessv]

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For half a century now, all of our MANPADS have had the same "pencil" and it seems that this is the only way it has always been.
But GOS, by the way, they do not fundamentally differ. This is for aerodynamics.

Yes, please stop getting out, what half a century, what aerodynamics ?! The heat-sensitive head, which is what all Arrows have, looks like a lens.

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Quote: businessv

what half a century

Starting in 1983, the Igla MANPADS went into the troops, which got its name just from this "pencil". It is designed to improve aerodynamics and has nothing to do with the GOS device.
Their heads have one device principle.

[businessv]

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Their heads have one device principle.

Yes, the principle is the same, the solutions are different. Verba has a three-band head, I wrote specifically about the Arrow, Willow and their heads and how to distinguish them in the photo. I propose to end our intellectual dialogue on this.

[Mouse]

what a stink from the side of the tribalts will pull .....

[novel66]

what a stink from the side of the tribalts will pull .....
already familiar...

[Mouse]

Stinky....

[novel66]

definitely!

[Mountain shooter]

"Verba" is a rather mysterious weapon. At first, the height of targets up to 5000 m was laid down in its performance characteristics, but then it was significantly reduced. Also GOS is multispectral with AI elements. After this data ceased to appear. So is this a superweapon that we don't talk about, or...?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

At first, its performance characteristics included target heights up to 5000 m, but

.... well, waxing 5000 is theoretically possible even on the Needle, the angle of inclination of the launcher only needs to be taken into account ..... in any case, a lot of aircraft were removed from the Eagle in the massacre of the 15th year from 4000 meters from the roofs of houses .. and here ... ep .. fired and the rocket went where it needed to ... all the more evil tongues say that Verba already has three ranges in the IR spectrum and one in the UV ... more and more serious for the enemy

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Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

evil tongues say that Verba already has three ranges in the IR spectrum and one in the UV ...

Not quite

GOS missiles - the following passive three-spectral, it works in the near and middle infrared, as well as in the ultraviolet ranges,

 According to the manufacturer, by increasing the sensitivity of the homing head, the area of ​​capture and destruction of typical air targets has increased by 2,5 times compared to the previous Igla-S MANPADS

Valery Kashin, General Designer of JSC NPK KBM, in an interview with Independent Military Review. Kashin also noted that the Strela-2 MANPADS had one receiver (platform), the Igla had two sites, the Verba had nine photodetector sites, 

[Crimean partisan 1974]

nine photodetector sites,

... it’s not entirely clear what the site for this MANPADS means ... but even those 4 bands are enough to be an extremely dangerous asymmetric warfare complex

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Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

those 4 ranges are enough

Once again - 3x, (three), 2 in IR + UV.

.it is not entirely clear what the site means

In the GOS of the first generation there was only 1 photodetector, in Igla there were already 2 photodetectors, each for its own spectrum, in Verba there were already 9 such photodetectors, 3 for each spectrum. This is not a matrix yet, but it already increases sensitivity, and, most importantly, noise immunity.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It's not a matrix yet

..... well, the whole generation waxes from Strel to Verb, a deeply cooled seeker and a matrix IR in any way .... I still don’t understand why the Mistral matrix MANPADS is so heavy that it can be called conditionally portable

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Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

I still don’t understand why the Mistral matrix MANPADS is so heavy that it can be called conditionally portable

Ha.
I remember when I was still an engineer, in our laboratory they made a thing with a matrix, it turned out to be the size of a good saucepan, and it heated up like a stove .... even in the wildest fantasy it was impossible to imagine in a wearable form.

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

At first, the height of targets up to 5000 m was laid down in its performance characteristics, but then it was significantly reduced.

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Did you accidentally confuse range with altitude? From the very beginning, as soon as the first information about the "Verba" appeared, there was information that the range was 6 km, the altitude was 3.5 km (at least that was the case in ALL serious publications).

[Pavel57]

The missile can and does see non-contrasting targets, but the missile must be directed at them.

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Quote: Pavel57

The missile can and does see non-contrasting targets, but the missile must be directed at them.

The complexity of the problem is exactly the opposite. Both Gibki’s OLS and Harmon, and integration into the overall system will help to direct the missile, but whether the sensitivity of the seeker is enough to detect a target there, this is the most difficult task.

[venik]

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The complexity of the problem is exactly the opposite.

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Op-pa! How is this to be understood?
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Both Gibki’s OLS and Harmon, and integration into the overall system will help to direct the missile, but whether the sensitivity of the seeker is enough to detect a target there, this is the most difficult task.

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Konstantin! I must tell you a great secret (only: t-s-s-s - not a word to anyone!): The fact is that ALL (without exception) domestic (and not only domestic) MANPADS (with a passive opto-electronic seeker) launch a rocket only after it (the target) is detected and captured by the GOS missile! Well, the task of the OELS "Bending" and the radar "Garmon" is just to orient the shooter or launcher in advance in the direction of the target and nothing more ....
PS In some foreign air defense systems using missiles with passive optoelectronic seeker (mainly sea-based), the radio command method of guidance is also used at the initial stage (until the missile seeker locks on to the target). The same principle seems to be implemented on the domestic Redut air defense system (9M100 missile). But on MANPADS this method is usually NOT IMPLEMENTED !!!

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Quote: venik

domestic (and not only domestic) MANPADS (with a passive optoelectronic seeker) launch a missile only after it (the target) is detected and captured by the missile seeker!

So I am exactly about this.
There are enough assistants where to send the missile, but whether the missile itself can see and capture the target is the main problem.

[venik]

Quote: Pavel57

The missile can and does see non-contrasting targets, but the missile must be directed at them.

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Pavel, did you mix anything up? If there is NO contrast, then HOW can a missile be aimed at a target ??? This is basically IMPOSSIBLE! From the word "generally"!
Another thing is a weak contrast: it is the ability to identify low contrast targets and highlight them against the background of interference and is and is one of the key parameters that determine the effectiveness of air defense systems!

[LZ50]

If simplified and without details, then the Verba MANPADS crews will be distributed over a large area in order to create the so-called "anti-drone dome". Anti-aircraft gunners will intercept enemy drones and guided aircraft munitions. Details are not disclosed.

and before this exercise, all the calculations of MANPADS hung out in one place? mosquito journalists are talking nonsense, the place of air defense units in the battle formations of the ChiP has long been known.

[LZ50]

It is emphasized that the new missile MANPADS "Verba" has dramatically increased the capabilities of the complex to combat small drones. Compared to earlier versions of MANPADS, "Verba" is more noise-resistant, the missile does not respond to traps, and the operator does not need to track the launched missile, the complex operates on the principle of "fire and forget".

another pearl from the mosquito mobster fools