Features of communication in the regiments of naval aviation

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"What's in a name?"


From stories naval Many officers know that it is customary in the Navy to address officers by their first and patronymic names, which supposedly demonstrates not only the high communication culture of naval officers, but also testifies to the cohesion of naval teams, well, as in the song - “And then the crew is our family ...” .

But, oddly enough, to their younger brothers in the "family" - sailors, naval officers address at all and not by name and patronymic, but with the use of all the power of the great Russian language, supposedly sailors better understand the commands given by obscenities, they say, so these sailors are arranged.



I will not slander the entire Navy, but I have some personal experience, so I can say that the “high culture” of naval officers in dealing with sailors is not always used, to say the least.

Despite the fact that I also served in the navy, in the naval aviation we had our own peculiarities in communication, some of which I will now tell.

First of all, it must be said that there are no sailors in the naval aviation regiments, only officers and ensigns serve there, and about 75% of the entire personnel are officers. Almost all officers have a higher education, and some even have the Academy, although there are very few of them, 2-3 people for the entire regiment.

He specifically talked about all this so that readers understand that the educational level in naval aviation is not lower than directly in the fleet.

Well, now specifically about the culture of communication, honestly, without hiding anything.

No, we have not yet reached such heights in communication as in the fleet itself, we have not reached. Despite the fact that the name and patronymic were sometimes used in communication, they were more addressed by rank, by last name, and in flight - by position, although everything depended on the situation and the specific person.

Suppose, when the commander of not my crew, the captain, addressed me derogatoryly: “Hey, lieutenant ...”, then I explained to him that there was no such treatment in the Charter, and recommended that either “comrade lieutenant” or Mikhail Vladimirovich contact me.

But this is a special case.

In the crew, on the ground, they spoke by name, and with a large difference in age, they addressed by patronymic - "Alekseich".

During the flight, we were treated only by position - “commander”, “navigator”, but this is because all negotiations were recorded on a tape recorder, which was often tapped by the bosses, and we were flogged for all sorts of “Vasya-Peti”.

But there were all sorts of "dislocations", not without it.

Once, I, a major, squadron navigator, came to the navigation shop to the major, regiment navigator, and, without wasting time, rushed to solve urgent service issues:

- Sanya, damn it ... what are you ... cutting ... ?!

Well, quite normal communication with my close friend, with whom we flew in the same crew, who was my first instructor.

Here is the senior navigator of the regiment, who came from a neighboring regiment and did not know stories our relations with Sanya, he started up and decided to put me in my place:

- And how do you, comrade major, talk to the navigator of the regiment?

Not only I was surprised, but also two more navigators of the regiment sitting in the office. I, taken aback, asked:

How should I speak? What do I mean: it was necessary to approach with a marching step to find out why he was arguing this nonsense?

Everyone, including Sanya, laughed, and the “senior” realized that he had said something wrong.

Well, okay, this "senior" was not of this world, despite the fact that he graduated from the Academy, and he was removed from his post without even giving the "underground", but not for a high culture of communication, but for contributing to the murder of the crew.

About Nicknames


And now about nicknames.

Yes, there were nicknames, mainly for the leadership.

There were also nicknames for ordinary officers, but not offensive, but reflecting the features of the service.

For example, the right pilot, who quickly and without any whims ran for vodka, had the nickname "Fast Leg", which did not prevent him from becoming even a detachment commander in the future.

There were military men with such surnames that nicknames were not needed.

Somehow "Deputy on the glands ”introduced me ensigns from the“ study ”, and one of them had a surname - Kakashkin. Realizing that it would not be easy to serve with such a surname, I hinted to the ensign that the first syllable could be dropped and the surname changed, but received an answer that he was not going to change his native surname. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but when I had to talk about this ensign so that no one would laugh, I called him "an ensign with a legendary surname."

The commanders of the regiments did not have nicknames, we called them among ourselves by abbreviations from their surnames - “Soldier”, “Ushan”, “Lyapa” ...

But the political officers of the regiments always had a nickname, it just so happened, and for some reason unknown to me, all these nicknames were associated with cartoons. And not always the nickname was invented by the personnel, sometimes the regimental commanders made their contribution.

Somehow the political officer of the regiment came out in front of the formation and carried some nonsense. The people murmured. The commander of the Wushan regiment decided to help out the political officer:

- Well, what are you talking about, well, the person made a mistake, and you immediately - Akela missed, Akela missed ...

Of course, now everyone called the political officer only Akela.

This political officer was replaced by a very tall officer, and somehow the nickname “38 parrots” formed itself.

A very old political officer of the regiment was called “Grandfather”, and when they sat down to drink on Sakhalin, they traditionally exchanged remarks based on the cartoon “Bobik visiting Barbos”:

- And "Grandfather" will not scold?

- And we are his broom!

The officers of the headquarters of the Pacific Fleet Air Force also received nicknames, or rather, they earned money.

The head of the department, a colonel, a very incompetent officer with a gray head, was nicknamed "The Gray-haired Madman" for his constant desire to demonstrate his ignorance.

Another colonel, who compensated for his small stature with increased demands on minor issues, was called the "Evil Dwarf."

Well, you understand, nicknames were not given just like that, they had to be earned.

About personal


And now about the personal, he promised to tell the whole truth.

I also had a nickname.

You could say I made it up myself.

Once I went into one of the offices of the headquarters, there the guys were drinking, in the open.

At my appearance, everyone stood up doomed, and one officer, having fallen into a stupor, remained seated.

I asked him:

“Why are you sitting there, you don’t recognize me?” It's me, your favorite regimental chief of staff.

I found them a job, and went on business.

The guys shared their "fly" with their comrades, and soon I heard how the head of the electronic warfare, the main loafer of the regiment's department, complained to someone about the impossible task assigned to him:

- Who ordered, who ordered ... "Our beloved" ordered.

So I got the nickname - "Our favorite."

I wasn't offended, and the guys, knowing that I liked jokes, always played on that nickname when they got the chance.

For example, if someone “encouraged” me with a bottle of cognac, then “Beloved” chocolate was always attached to it.


In general, it was a sin to be offended by such a nickname, especially since by nature I am kindness itself, and legends about this kindness of mine still circulate throughout naval aviation.
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  1. +21
    28 January 2022 18: 14
    And now we are waiting for an alternative point of view from the inhabitants of the banks of slow forest rivers, streams and lakes.
    1. +26
      28 January 2022 18: 19
      What are they waiting for?
      Probably everyone who served in the army had nicknames.
      Because of my last name, they often called me Baby, and my friends are Bumblebee, Zakhar, Leva, Bruise, and others ... Everything from surnames or first names.
      But one officer had an unprintable nickname. Because when setting the task, he managed to use swear words 36 times in three minutes ...
      But everyone knew where to run and what to do)
      1. +5
        28 January 2022 18: 47
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Because during the setting of the task he managed to use swear words 36 times in three minutes

        We had such an officer
        When he conducted political information, then if, as now in the cinema, they squealed, then there would be a continuous squeak in the Leningrad Room. Well, rarely censored words of course slipped
        Why did I say about political information. I didn’t see him anywhere else. I don’t know what he did anywhere, and didn’t want to know. He was not interested in me
        1. +4
          28 January 2022 20: 00
          Quote: Seryoga64
          We had such an officer

          We also had. Classic, one might say. Radzevskikai G.A. He served as the first mate on our ship, Gena was a nickname.
          There is an article on VO about him.
          https://topwar.ru/26032-flot-eto-vam-ne-shutki-chernomyrdina.html
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          2. 0
            28 January 2022 20: 29
            Radzevsky, of course.
            1. +8
              29 January 2022 20: 43
              "... by nature, I am kindness itself, and legends about this kindness of mine still circulate throughout naval aviation."

              A wonderful phrase that perfectly characterizes Mikhail Vladimirovich! good But only those who served with him and who read ALL the stories of a "real navigator and chief of staff" Bezlyudov can justifiably judge professionalism, intelligence, education, discipline, restraint, modesty, high moral qualities in his youth; the absence of arrogance, careerism, selfishness, cynicism, nihilism, demagogy in adulthood, honesty and sobriety always and in everything, disinterested respect and love for political workers, political officers and the CPSU! lol

              Glory to the kindest "beloved" Mikhail Vladimirovich Bezlyudov! laughing
        2. +3
          29 January 2022 19: 37
          We had one company commander nicknamed "Vova-Xerox" - his speech looked something like this: "I, bl*, I, bl*, twice, bl*, twice, bl* - I won't repeat it, bl*!" request
          At school, the NVP teacher, the colonel-military instructor, was not called anything other than a "voivode" (he was a cool uncle! stately, powerful, loving his job! everyone respected him!) ... And in front of him was a "yokarbabay" - a pilot, a major - but I remember only this proverb ....
          1. -3
            29 January 2022 19: 42
            In in. Like that laughing But it's better than answering one officer's questions. Example
            They ask him how many missiles are on the American boat?
            Answer. The corresponding boat carries the corresponding number of corresponding missiles
            All the curtain
          2. -4
            29 January 2022 19: 52
            There was also one officer. He and our unit commander at the military school were in the same company.
            So the unit commander was a colonel, and he was a starley
            The man is over 50, but the nickname was Grisha
      2. +11
        28 January 2022 19: 58
        We have Lieutenant Colonel Lozhnikov, Remade into Muzhelozhnikov
        1. SID
          +1
          3 February 2022 17: 21
          Hard, of course. Serve or so ... ?
          1. 0
            3 February 2022 18: 07
            Rather so. The man was absurd, the officers did not like him, and we communicated at the level of a divorce.
      3. +3
        28 January 2022 22: 02
        Probably everyone who served in the army had nicknames.
        In the officer environment, these were usually those nicknames that appeared at the school. And when several graduates from the same course came at once, their nicknames could somehow be transferred to officers. But in general, in the unit where I began to serve, nicknames were not practiced, and usually they were given by conscripts. One bald major had the nickname "skull", and even then after a curious incident. Beginning PO had the nickname "stargazer" - because of the astymagmatic thick lenses, his gaze was fixed somewhere in the sky. Well, the fact that he got into our unit from some sappers, where, apart from a sledgehammer, scrap and obscenity, they did not understand another language, he experienced a simple culture shock when he saw the soldiers in the engine room EU 1030, 1060, etc. In a word, he came to his senses for a long time, which also served to consolidate his nickname. But the most interesting nickname was that of one exiled officer, and a well-deserved one - Yura Buick. There is a mention of him on the network, so he really was an outstanding person, you can be sure. Of course, now you look at all this with a smile, but some of the original nicknames are remembered for a lifetime...
      4. +4
        29 January 2022 10: 56
        Because when setting the task, he managed to use swear words 36 times in three minutes ...
        after an emergency, in a sailor we had a teacher in ROS (Radio Equipment of Ships). So he so "bent" in pairs .... that I did not hear such a thing in the service laughing An hour and a half (a couple) through the word (censored) ... but what is the most amazing subject, I personally learned better than others hi
    2. +3
      29 January 2022 23: 18
      And I, the teacher of Baumanka, was recently given the nickname "wise guy" by first-year students of one of the groups.
      Okay, I'm not offended...
      Although not my only job now, but my favorite!
  2. -33
    28 January 2022 18: 16
    And the elder realized that he said something wrong ...........
    BEZ, that's how it was in the FBA, if you screwed up on a senior in position, they will put you in your place quickly, no need to tell jokes.
    Nickname Our favorite, this is at least ..... chickens laugh, there were not and could not be such nicknames in the army, this is from recent history (LGBT)
    1. +21
      28 January 2022 18: 19
      Keep going, don't stop, there's still a lot to refute.
      1. -17
        28 January 2022 18: 23
        Tell me about the Aeroclub, I was intrigued, what nicknames were there.
        1. +12
          28 January 2022 18: 25
          intrigued.

          What language is this from?
          1. -14
            28 January 2022 18: 37
            From the dictionary, you cling to words in vain.
            1. +8
              28 January 2022 18: 42
              Yes, I don’t cling, it became interesting in which regiment they pronounce the word “intrigue” like that?
              1. -5
                28 January 2022 18: 53
                in Mongokhto (Sov.Havan, Stone Stream)
                1. +2
                  28 January 2022 18: 59
                  Well, you see, with your help, we supplemented the article with information about one of the features of some of the representatives of the personnel in the unit where you served.
                  1. -8
                    28 January 2022 19: 02
                    They got out, or rather tried to get out.
                    So what about the flying club, the word is not a sparrow - where, when, what raid?
                    Or just screwed up?
                    1. +8
                      28 January 2022 19: 16
                      And I wrote somewhere that I piloted planes and have some kind of raid? Remind me please where?
                      1. -11
                        28 January 2022 19: 41
                        You did not pilot the plane, and you could not have had any raid, it is not difficult to guess about this.
                        As BEZ likes to say, what regiment did you serve in?
                      2. +9
                        28 January 2022 19: 55
                        this is not hard to guess.

                        Well it is necessary, what transparency? And with a high degree of probability it can be assumed that I did not control the spacecraft and with almost one hundred percent certainty it can be said that I was not on the moon.
                        Beaver, the discussion seems to have greatly affected your vestibular apparatus.
                        So let's go back to the beginning - where, when and to whom did I tell that I piloted, had a raid, or had anything to do with aviation outside of passenger air travel?
                      3. -4
                        28 January 2022 20: 11
                        It turns out funny.
                        About piloting was not - I confirm, about the flying club - was.
                      4. +7
                        28 January 2022 20: 21
                        See, you can do it whenever you want! It was about the flying club. Because in the DOSAAF flying club they flew not only on airplanes. There were also glider pilots and paratroopers. Here we are at the Institute of parachuting and suffered. But a little, for the general development.
                        So now you can justifiably prove to the audience that I have never seen a parachute.
                      5. -14
                        28 January 2022 21: 04
                        Quote: Undecim
                        But a little, for the general development.

                        This can be seen with the naked eye, where, excuse me, are you climbing with your comments. They are stupid.
                        No need to build a demigod out of yourself.
                      6. +15
                        28 January 2022 22: 18
                        Beaver, envy will destroy you, it is destructive, especially yours, disinterested. Moreover, the process, judging by your comments, is already in full swing.
                2. +4
                  29 January 2022 10: 54
                  in Mongokhto (Sov.Havan, Stone Stream)
                  Mongokhto refers more to Vanino. For it is located in the Vaninsky district as BE!
                  1. +3
                    29 January 2022 13: 31
                    and more precisely, my address was this - 682800 (index) Khabarovsk Territory, Vaninsky district, Mongokhto p / o, military unit 39167, to me))) Almost 30 years have passed and he’s sitting in the head that he can’t pick it out with any nail! what
        2. +15
          28 January 2022 19: 34
          Quote: bober1982
          Tell me about the Aeroclub, I was intrigued, what nicknames were there.

          From the eternal confrontation between the anecdote and the anecdotes between the flight and parachute units: the flyers killed on the spot:
          The commander of the second: "Tell the paratroopers to stop jumping - we haven't taken off yet!"
    2. +12
      28 January 2022 21: 43
      Quote: bober1982
      if you get stuck on a senior in position, they will put you in place quickly


      Beaver, well, no need to find fault. Between friends (in the same rank, well, positions are different), I didn’t understand at all what kind of boss he got into.
      Well, as for nicknames, always in the army.
      I remember the l / s regiment (in which at that time I served, when the Uzbek became the commander, and there the NS was an Uzbek) in the division they began to call Basmachi. Well, we called our commander (naturally behind our backs) kurbashi. In general, before building, the commander of a reconnaissance company (half-Kazakh, half-Russian) often gave out - "Under the green banner of Islam - stand"

      And some ensign (for the love of fortified) - Kolya Apple, Petya Agdamsky, Valera Solntsedarsky, etc.
      I think you have not been without it.
    3. +14
      28 January 2022 21: 45
      Quote: bober1982
      And the elder realized that he said something wrong ...........
      BEZ, that's how it was in the FBA, if you screwed up on a senior in position, they will put you in your place quickly, no need to tell jokes.
      Nickname Our favorite, this is at least ..... chickens laugh, there were not and could not be such nicknames in the army, this is from recent history (LGBT)


      Are you constantly pestering the author of the publication?
      The author has a good style and is interesting to read.
      1. -19
        28 January 2022 21: 46
        Quote: Dalmatia
        The author has a good style and is interesting to read.

        He's lying.
        1. +11
          28 January 2022 21: 51
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Dalmatia
          The author has a good style and is interesting to read.

          He's lying.

          I did not notice.
        2. +4
          29 January 2022 00: 47
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Dalmatia
          The author has a good style and is interesting to read.

          He's lying.

          How? Lie fact???
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        3. 0
          29 January 2022 15: 07
          Navigator of the regiment Bezlyudov M.V. began to serve at the time you were born, if I understand your nickname correctly. Probably, in those places, the memory of him and his twin brother has already been erased.
          1. -2
            29 January 2022 20: 52
            Quote from: Dredd10
            if I understand your nickname correctly.

            You do NOT understand correctly. Frontal aviation navigator Vladimir in 1982 moved from the Yak-28 to the Su-24. He is older and more experienced than Bez.
        4. +3
          29 January 2022 17: 43
          He's lying.
          interesting in what? If this did not happen at your place of service, then it was the same everywhere as you? I can personally confirm much of what Mikhail wrote! Specifically, about the relationship between officers and ensigns. Not the facts that he describes, but the general outline, so to speak. For, as I already wrote, I once served there. in Mongokhto. I went as a messenger to the headquarters (then still a division) many times, our guys from the ZAS were on duty there, the drivers of the chief of staff and the division commander lived in our company. I heard a lot myself at the headquarters. Especially when someone was "turned inside with fur" right in the hall of the first floor (it happened a couple of times). Then I diligently mimicked under the furniture and tried not to shine laughing
          I am generally silent about conversations between officers) For they did not hesitate to me and apparently took me for an inanimate object (such as a jar or hanger). And ZAS members with SPS nicknames (Secret Government Communications) also transmitted a lot of what they heard orally. So ..... something like this.
          Notwithstanding the fact that some have it but others can't have it - literally through the stone fence there was another part (either Levkin's regiment, or Sarychev's ...)
          by the way, their checkpoint -

          Further behind the fence, my unit was.
          So here we had a so-called. "non-statutory" (within reasonable limits) But the neighbors .. there was that still frantic regulation. It used to be that you were standing in a squadron around the fleet, climbed onto the KUNG R-161, stood in an unfolded state next to the Kristall SCS.
          By the way, here she is in the same place -

          and, dangling your legs and smoking, you watch a real circus! How neighbors do everything exclusively by running, into the dining room exclusively in formation and with a song and other "charms" of statutory relationships. And some sergeant, a company officer on duty, can return the formation (of his fellow boys) five times to the original one (well, he didn’t like how they sing) and everything in the same spirit. I talked several times with those guys (if I came across adequate ones) through the fence. And there were also inadequate frostbitten. You ask to throw a cigarette or a spark over the fence so ... "not allowed! We recommend that you move away and not talk to us!" In general, adequate guys told me that even I, remembering how I "flyed" being a soul, was baptized with my left heel! What we didn't have wassat So, they threw smoked red fish to such guys (they quietly stole from officer pantries laughing ) . Yes, and they smoked themselves, the fleet had its own mini-smoker. Something like that!
    4. +7
      29 January 2022 10: 50
      there weren’t and couldn’t be such nicknames in the army, this is from recent history
      It's not about the army. And about naval aviation. (as has been said many times before). We have nicknames - we called our deputy (political officer) "sweet sugar" (the surname was Sakharov and he spoke like a sweet-voiced nightingale). Moreover, it was used by both us - conscripts, and officers and ensigns, because both of them fiercely "loved" him. Zampotech also had a nickname "Kryap" (as I already wrote) and was also in use for both permanent and variable composition. I will not give the nicknames of other officers here. feel
      Further. NasIchaet appeals. Part of us was not large (ORS division headquarters). Officers and warrant officers addressed themselves by name or first name and patronymic (company commander and deputy so addressed). As an exception by title. When, for example, one of the ensigns or lieutenants lingers on a morning divorce, the company commander usually - "Comrade ensign (lieutenant)! Take your place in life (in the ranks, i.e. according to belonging to the unit)". To conscripts, too, mainly by last name or first name (starting from the year of service). But this did not mean, of course, "tender love" for a variable composition. It was just easier and more understandable - "Karimov .... be ... your soul! Run here! The son of a great people mother .....!" If you switched to appeal by rank, then you really know - you flew. "Comrade sailor! What ..... such kind of personnel loitering like a restless tribe in the Sinai desert during your duty in the fleet??!". Well, etc. Some warrant officers and platoon commanders, being "grandfathers", were often addressed by their first and middle names. For example, in a smoking room - "Karen Vladimirovich! Will you leave me a smoke?". And nothing, served.
      1. +1
        30 January 2022 12: 47
        .talk is not about the army. And about naval aviation.
        If someone is already interested in the history of naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet, then I recommend reading an interesting book with a large number of photographs.



        One of the last naval aviation parades in Kerch before Khrushchev's dispersal.
  3. +6
    28 January 2022 18: 23
    Also, the appeal by rank, without "comrade", always jarred.
    1. +4
      28 January 2022 18: 54
      Quote: ODERVIT
      Auger was always jarred by the appeal by rank, without "comrade".

      In flight, appeal, what a comrade .....commander, Seryoga, Sanya
    2. +5
      28 January 2022 22: 01
      ODERVIT. Yes, there are different situations. It was once with the divisional commander assistant RP went to the training ground. 2 shifts had to be driven off. The second one broke off on the second day, a miser was pulled at the point, they began to fly in the area, and then fought back. Well, here's the beginning. I invited the commander of the training ground to dinner, and he took me with him and sat me down at the table. It was so flattering to me that the general called me "you" and easily called me a lieutenant ... A good commander, I remember him.
      1. +2
        28 January 2022 22: 06
        Yes, this is understandable, but being at the table you can remember the name. wink
  4. +30
    28 January 2022 18: 23
    I remembered. The boss gets into the car, the driver is new. What is your last name? I am Ivan. I'm asking for your mother's last name. Call me Ivan. The boss, angry, yells, say your last name. Darling! Let's go Ivan. hi
    1. +15
      28 January 2022 19: 32
      Quote: Free Wind
      I remembered.

      5th grade students attend physical education class. Instead of their beloved teacher, they are greeted by a hefty 2-meter mullet with a gangster mug. He gives everyone a hard look and says:
      - Hello children. I'm your new PE teacher. My name is Anatoly Stepanovich. And my last name is Mrudakov. Stop laughing! The second letter is "R". And God forbid any of you pronounce my last name in any other way. In the next lesson I will check how you remember my last name. All clear? Let's start the lesson.
      A week later, same class, same teacher.
      - Yes, children. Does everyone remember my name?
      - Yes, Anatoly Stepanovich!
      - Do you remember my last name? Let's check. Let's start with you boy. You laughed the loudest last time. What is your name? Vovochka? Fine! Say my last name!
      - Well, this one...
      - What is this"? Do not remember?
      - I remember ... she is still like that with you - not very decent ...
      - WHAT??? Yes, I love you now...
      - Not! Not! I didn’t mean to say that .. she is very decent ... right now ...
      - I'll give you a deuce for a quarter ...
      - Not! No need for a deuce ... there is also a second letter "R" ..
      - That's right. Well?
      - Ah, I remembered! Khruev!!!
      1. +6
        28 January 2022 19: 40
        Instead of their beloved teacher, they are greeted by a hefty 2-meter mullet with a gangster mug.
        Nagiyev?
        1. +16
          28 January 2022 19: 45
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Nagiyev?

          Valuev!
          1. +8
            28 January 2022 19: 54
            Good answer! good hi
            1. +1
              29 January 2022 01: 35
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Nagiyev?

              Quote: Polite Elk
              Valuev!

              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Good answer!

              - Muev or Uev?
              _Major Chuev!
              Ah!!" (Window to Paris)
      2. 0
        29 January 2022 13: 02
        My name is Anatoly Stepanovich. And my last name is Mrudakov
        this is actually a joke from the cycle "about Vovochka"
        1. 0
          29 January 2022 14: 06
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          this is actually a joke from the cycle "about Vovochka"

          Now it’s more expensive to tell jokes about Vovochka. And about the inhabitants of the Far North, too. Better about Odessa. wink
  5. +15
    28 January 2022 18: 24
    It is a pity that now the once most powerful Naval Aviation in the world has actually fallen into deep decline and there is no way out of it.
    Now only Su-33, MiG-29K and Su-30SM fighters remain there. Further uncertainty with the Kuznetsov may put an end to the deck training of pilots, which is why the 100th and 279th regiments are finally at risk of becoming coast-based rather than ship-based regiments.
    Naval missile-carrying aviation, which was the most powerful in the world and the main striking force of the fleet in oceanic directions, does not exist at all! Thanks Serdyukov. And for 10 years this problem has not been solved - there are no aircraft. There are few Tu-22M3s left, and more can not be considered for this role.

    And everything else is meaningless to consider simply because of its backwardness and small number. This is me in PLO aviation.

    And the training of flight and ground personnel is of the utmost importance. Where and from whom to train navigators, pilots, operators of anti-submarine aircraft, for example?
    Where to train fighter pilots? Including ships.
    And until even this problem is resolved, there is simply no point in talking about some kind of rearmament of anti-submarine aviation, and even more so, the revival of missile-carrying naval aviation.
    1. +11
      28 January 2022 20: 47
      Naval missile-carrying aviation, which was the most powerful in the world and the main striking force of the fleet in oceanic directions, does not exist at all! Thanks to Serdyukov

      Thanks to the admirals in no less degree. Naval Aviation has always been the stepdaughter of the Navy. When you have to choose between ships, submarines and aircraft, the admirals are the first to go under the knife. hi
      1. +8
        28 January 2022 23: 40
        I still think that not only the admirals are to blame. In general, the state of the industry.
        Where are the almost 300 built Tu-22M3s in the VKS now, which were produced between 1983 and 1993 and divided approximately equally between the Air Force Air Force and the Navy MRA?
        There are about 50 of these aircraft left! About half are combat-ready, that is, 10% of the number released!
        And there is no potential replacement aircraft even in the project.
        1. +3
          29 January 2022 00: 18
          Hello.
          You see, I, personally, am nobody in these matters. But Lieutenant General Sokerin Viktor Nikolaevich is a very authority. He left quite a lot of written heritage, including on the issues of interaction between the fleet and naval aviation. Googling easily.
          However, let's wait for the next story of Mikhail, which will be dedicated to the admirals.
    2. +6
      29 January 2022 10: 43
      Quote: Osipov9391
      Naval missile-carrying aviation, which was the most powerful in the world and the main striking force of the fleet in oceanic directions, does not exist at all! Thanks Serdyukov.

      Serdyukov only formalized the process of liquidation of the MRA legally. In fact, two regiments remained from the mighty MRA of the USSR Navy by the time of the furniture maker. Moreover, these regiments were "paper" ones - after they were transferred to the DA, out of two regiments, only two squadrons were completed.
      However, the same ratio - one flying squadron per regiment - was in the Air Force itself.
      1. +2
        29 January 2022 17: 33
        It should also be noted that in the DA Air Force Tu-22M3 adapted more to conventional bombs to hit area and other targets. As they did now in Syria. That is, in fact, a long-range front-line bomber, no more. (X-15 to defeat enemy air defense did not take root there)
        But in the MRA of the Navy, the Tu-22M3 was already a purely missile carrier. And the X-22 rocket, whatever it was, was outdated and was not produced for a long time. The stock made earlier is almost exhausted.
        1. 0
          2 February 2022 09: 24
          Let me disagree with you. Everything depended on the tasks. Therefore, there were both bombers and missile carriers.
          It is difficult to make friends with a relatively new rocket with an old on-board computer. And the X-15 is not only for air defense, but in general for stationary ground targets with known coordinates. Chasing air defense will be a little expensive, if only some TsUO ...
    3. +1
      30 January 2022 16: 15
      Don't bury naval aviation prematurely. They will restore, they are already restoring. Yes, and they will adjust the equipment. The country cannot live without the Air Force of the Navy. There are many large water spaces. So everything will be.
      And at the expense of relationships in teams, you are all right. Each regiment is unique in its relationship. Somewhere they assign nicknames, somewhere they do without them.
      1. 0
        30 January 2022 16: 32
        Are you seriously ? Who will restore and how? Anti-submarine and missile-carrying aircraft are not in the projects, they are not even in the minds of designers and the military!
        No frames, no equipment, no hardware saturation. And most importantly, in Russia there is no production in a series of aircraft that could become a platform for an anti-submarine aircraft. And it won't be anymore. Time is gone.
        Could be such a Tu-214. But it is no longer mass-produced. And then there is no equipment and weapons even in the projects.
        1. 0
          30 January 2022 17: 04
          When Putin showed cartoons, everyone also laughed at first. The result is that almost everything has been put into service, plus weapons and support for the troops, do not forget about restoring or creating new industries. Work has been done on the so-called first stage, which is vital for the country for guaranteed protection. The second stage will go, or rather, preparations are already underway to saturate the Air Force and Navy with new equipment and weapons. The fact is that the Americans want to control water spaces and sea routes throughout the entire strategic depth, in the far sea zone, so to speak, since they also carry the protection of their limitrophes scattered around the globe, therefore an air force with a maximum flight duration and many bases is needed to accommodate them, ships and submarines. At the first stage, we need to protect the near sea zone around Russia. This does not require forces comparable to the American ones. Perhaps the concept of protection and the technique for this will be somewhat different.
          Let's say they restored the production of TU-160. I think that part of the boards will be transferred to Naval Aviation. IL-76 - (A-100) is on the way. Reconnaissance, target designation and guidance, possibly with marine specifics. The military raised the question of continuing the production of the BE-12 or its equivalent based on the BE-200. TU-204R in the marine version is being worked out. Ekranoplanes are on the way again, they are interested in the military. Well, and so on.
          Everything will be, it takes time.
          1. +1
            30 January 2022 18: 38
            None of this exists and never will. I'm very on topic. Simply due to the fact that the production of military transport aircraft and vehicles based on them (PLO, AWACS, tankers) head to head in all countries of the world (and it was the same in the USSR) is intertwined with the production of passenger liners. Which in the country is not possible to say today.
            That is, ten passenger liners and ten transport aircraft are assembled at one plant. It doesn't matter if it's heavy or middle class.
            There is none of this.
            And yes, as a platform for the role of a tanker or AWACS, the IL-76 is hopelessly outdated.
            The passenger IL-96 would be ideal for these purposes as well. But the plant is dying. And it looks like it will not be produced.
            And even Ulyanovsk, giving 1 Il-76 a year, will not solve the problem of rearmament of the VTA even in a hundred years. Not to mention the rest.

            So time is irretrievably lost.
            1. +1
              30 January 2022 20: 01
              So they decided to stop the problems in a different way. Satellite and electronic intelligence and
              and their further development for observation. Hydrophone belts in the most dangerous directions of submarine approach. but little information is available on them. Perhaps new passenger aircraft are already being developed in projects for military purposes. It's just that the range of what is needed is so extensive that it cannot be obtained at once in a very short period. And something is generally stopped by the presence of long-range and medium-range cruise missiles in enemy countries. The answer may be such that you will have to return from a rich to an already impoverished country. And the politicians who allowed this, and even the military, will be hanged by the local people or declared war criminals, and those will have to hide all their lives. Their mentality is not the same as ours.
          2. 0
            1 February 2022 09: 23
            Everything will be, it takes time. - svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

            How much of this time is needed?
            How, with a collapsed economy, industry, lack of proper aircraft engines, aircraft components enterprises, can you achieve your goals? No way - in the coming decades for sure. Technologically, and not only in aviation science, we are behind the world progress, alas, for decades, thanks to the Gaidars-Chubais-Yeltsins and their successors, who argued that nothing needs to be produced - we will buy everything we need, as well as the current "effective managers" and authorities who advanced this installation into practical life. What can we say about complex naval aviation aircraft, heavy and large passenger ones, when over the past 30-40 years Russia has not been able to develop and put into operation a small passenger aircraft to replace the already departed old man AN-2, which is why entire regions of the Russian Federation remained isolated without air links with regional and republican centers? What can be a conversation about big planes? So, in the best case, we can organize a single production, with a large share of imported components, and then if the US-West allows us to buy, which is unlikely due to the ongoing economic sanctions. The aviation greatness of Soviet Russia - the USSR, unfortunately, is a thing of the past. Will it revive? With the current approach of the authorities to science, industry, aircraft construction - 100% is not. Let's hope for the future that it will change something for the better. But our generation of pensioners is unlikely to see it. So, do not live with illusions, Vyacheslav, you need to really look at the practice of life.
            1. 0
              1 February 2022 23: 19
              Somewhere behind, and somewhere ahead. A lot of what is shown in the West and what is reported as achievements is just marketing moves, do not forget that they have advertising - the engine of trade. But not everything is in many ways that they present to us there and their characteristics are such.
              Let me give you an example: fire trucks from Sweden advertised their effectiveness for one Baltic country. She bought. As a result, in 30 degree frost, only cars manufactured in the USSR were able to start up and leave (to receive water from hydrants). Not one of the new ones standing on the street did not start. Only one of the hangars filled with water left. such a temperature, hangars are needed. I had to build.
              Russian military equipment is designed for air temperature plus minus 50, western 30. Or it needs warm hangars or shelters. In severe frosts, she will not fight. Their military themselves confirm this, they try not to turn off the engines at frosts below 15-20 degrees. Only now it’s difficult for them to immediately switch to new design conditions for them, the cost of equipment, its operation and, accordingly, the cost rises sharply.
              So I don’t live with illusions. Yes, and we don’t know a lot, a lot is classified, a lot is simply hushed up. But the country got out of its ass and is successfully developing, it is not for nothing that Westerners have begun to fuss with their "hellish" sanctions. Yes, and I believe in my native Russian people and their talent and skills.
              1. 0
                2 February 2022 08: 45
                But the country got out of its ass and is successfully developing, - svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

                Vyacheslav, where do you get all this from? From zomboyaschika - TV? So he has faith, 3 kopecks. What do you "don't know"? "Much is secret"? Yes, and you don’t need to know anything secret, just economic knowledge, knowledge of industrial production, unemployment, army service, at least for the mandatory two-year period, is enough to assess the level of collapse of the army, economy, industry, the same aircraft building, engine building and other things in Russia. Have you seen a video of Shoigu showing a "factory" for the production of drones the other day? Laughter is simple, for those who have ever been to any factory floor. They rolled production workbenches on wheels into some previously empty room, put people in new overalls near them for the appearance, and hang noodles on the ears of Shoigu and K, who understands nothing about this matter. And so it is in everything that you just don’t take: from Moscow’s annually laid tiles on the sidewalks in the same places, to the scientific Skolkovo, widely advertised in previous years, and Chubais’ Rosnano. Where is the RESULT of at least some industrial progress of the authorities, their "effective" managers? Have you ever traveled by train over long distances in Russia? I advise you to drive and look, just for enlightenment, at the destroyed factories and industries constantly flashing outside the window, once overgrown arable fields and destroyed farms and cowsheds - a sad sight, as if the war had passed, everything was ruined and destroyed. Yes, what to say, take the TV "news" in space exploration, led by the former JOURNALIST Rogozin - one word is sadness. And the aircraft industry, which is closely familiar to me by profile, and where my fellow students still work at the university, now led by the "furniture maker" Serdyukov in Rostec. Yes, the same one that destroyed the army ten years ago, transferring it from a divisional-regimental structure to a brigade structure, closed dozens of military schools and academies, breaking the army through the knee. For those who do not understand anything in technology, production, economics, the army, etc., you can show cartoons about our "efficient" missiles, successful launches, and so on and so forth. But just ask yourself the question, against whom will all these "effective" weapons be directed? Is it really against the countries where the families of our comprador rulers and "deputies" live, where they keep their wealth "acquired by overwork", against their palaces and yachts, against their capital stored in Western banks? Think at least about this before writing "the country has got out of its ass and is developing successfully." It, unfortunately, has already settled there for decades, and judging by the negative pace of "development", it is not going to leave there, thanks to the ruling "elite", which is satisfied with everything.
                1. 0
                  2 February 2022 10: 35
                  Raise your hands up and go give up.
                  For a TV show. We arrived at the enterprise where my friend works, took off and everything (dining in the factory canteen) was surprised that the equipment was not modern. And they simply were not shown modern CNC machines and a huge carousel, of which there are only a few in the world. And everything was located behind the wall. They showed the auxiliary equipment shop.
                  More. My chief of supply went home. An engineer is a technologist by profession and worked for him for a long time before he got into supply. There he got a job in a machining shop as a technologist. Called up For two years, he reported that there was nothing interesting and they began the reconstruction of the enterprise, later, that he was sent for training. Now I am so delighted with the work that I cannot express it. They work for the defense. As he tells me, they make such a dizzy, busy work that even sometimes spends the night at the enterprise. He asked what they produce. Silent as a partisan. He says that there are many young engineers from institutes, and in the city even some kind of vocational school was reprofiled and now there is a competition there. So not everything is bad everywhere.
                  And your friends may have been unlucky or, what not to mention, there is no opportunity to realize themselves, perhaps they studied in a specialty that they do not like, perhaps good performers are only, perhaps, after graduating from an institution, they simply do not pull in their specialty.
                  1. 0
                    2 February 2022 11: 05
                    It's a pity, again, the time for comments has expired, and what I printed is gone.

                    If there is a need, they will also apply to those countries where the father and mother, children and relatives. Moreover, they almost got rid of them in the command and in the decision-making center, the rest were warned that if that’s all, they won’t have relatives, so let them think and make decisions - either resign or all back to Russia.
                    1. 0
                      2 February 2022 12: 39
                      If there is a need, they will also apply to those countries where the father and mother, children and relatives. - svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

                      And you believe that? laughing Families and relatives of top officials of Russia live there, including the relatives of the President, where their capital is, gold that is taken away in tons, palaces and yachts. There they have a Motherland, where "accumulated by overwork." And they will shoot missiles at all this? Don't be naive. Over there, the British just announced that they would confiscate the property of Russian higher ranks, so our top leaders immediately turned on the "back". Really look at life, not through a TV box.
                      1. -1
                        2 February 2022 13: 03
                        Nobody turned on the back. Just those who stole capital and went there for permanent residence began to move. or who has a criminal tail. And even then, in order to confiscate, you need to know that it belongs to a specific person.
                        And for such persons, everything is written down not on them, but on relatives, acquaintances or other lays. Or local politicians are attached to these capitals, you will touch and they will immediately find who you raped or other crime.
                        The president's relatives have been working in Russia for a long time.
                  2. 0
                    2 February 2022 12: 30
                    And your friends may be unlucky or, what not to mention, there is no opportunity to realize themselves, ... - svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

                    Ha ha ha. My friends work at one of the miraculously surviving aircraft factories, which used to produce only light fighter bombers (MIG, SU, Yak), and now they are trying, what year, to establish in parallel with this production, the mass production of MS-21 passenger aircraft. Moreover, they are already under 70 years old, and of course not only in ordinary positions. But organizing the mass production of large passenger aircraft at old facilities, with completely different technical requirements for large passenger aircraft than for fighters, and along with the production of military aircraft, is practically unrealistic. Yes, now they are producing, along with military aircraft, individual MS-21 aircraft, for the time being for testing, but they simply won’t be able to en masse, this is my engineering view. For this, another plant is needed, more powerful, with a greater potential for production and human resources, than the provincial Siberian Irkutsk can provide. And such factories, such as Saratov, which massively built such aircraft, no longer exist in Russia, they were destroyed by the Chubais. And will there be a big question? For example, the BE-200, which they also built at the plant in separate copies, and then transferred the technology to the Taganrog Aviation Plant, they simply could not master there - they lost the proper skills in aircraft construction, engineering and technical personnel capable of building aircraft. And with MS-21, in my opinion, the same will happen in the coming years. To change the situation, a state planned strategy is needed in the development of not only aircraft construction, but also the entire industry, training, science, which is not even close to visible in Russia under the leadership of the Chemezov-Serdyukovs (read Putin).
                    1. -1
                      2 February 2022 13: 15
                      By one enterprise, where your friends work, it is not very possible to judge the state of the industry as a whole.
                      The production of the TU-160 was resumed, the same for the MiG-31, They are building an enterprise for the production of a new substitute for the An-2, the Su-57 has begun to be produced so far in a small series, but with the new engines of the 2nd stage, several pieces are already in testing, so what will they do more.
                      Well, in terms of aviation engines, changes for the better, too, after all, aviation. Electronics is very seriously pulled up. They promise me to demonstrate the Russian Phantom operating system for the military. So it's not all bad
                      1. 0
                        2 February 2022 18: 14
                        The production of the TU-160 was resumed, the same for the MiG-31, They are building an enterprise for the production of a new substitute for the An-2, ... - svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

                        All these are developments, half a century or more years old, Soviet prescription. And the question is how much do they correspond to the modern level of development of science and aviation technology? And on the release of the "new substitute" AN-2, I don’t even want to hear it - one empty chatter from decade to decade. I was still studying at the university in the early 70s, they showed us the Czechoslovak L-410 at the airfield as a future "substitute", then already the "old man" An-2. And all out of place. And this is in the USSR, and what can we say about the current industrially backward Russia?! That's it, Vyacheslav, thanks for the communication, that's enough. We remain with our opinions. As they say: "Blessed is he who believes - he is warm in the world."
                    2. +1
                      2 February 2022 13: 19
                      And to put it bluntly, the creation of such a complex anti-submarine aircraft as the R-8 "Poseidon" (its analogue in Russia) is not even tomorrow or after tomorrow, given our lag in weapons, search equipment, engines?
                      And yes, there is not a single university in Russia where personnel for Naval Aviation would be trained. Yes, and they are not trained for Long-Range Aviation - they retrain ground staff into weapons operators, electronic warfare operators and navigators.
                      Thanks Serdyukov.
                      And I think that it was advisable to carry out the production of large PLO aircraft in Samara, Saratov or Taganrog.
                      The first plant lies on its side, the second is destroyed, the third is barely.

                      For the production of components, I think it’s better (instead of KRET / Rostec) to give to small private firms that enthusiasts create. That's what the whole world is doing now.
                      But they are not allowed to work - they need to get a dozen licenses, get military representatives, etc., which is unacceptable and unnecessary for a private trader.
                      Even when it comes to hoses or gaskets.
                2. 0
                  2 February 2022 11: 22
                  They only show what they allow to be shown on TV. And how many with "brilliant" economic knowledge ended up in the backyard of life. Everything I take
                  and summarize has different sources. After all, in my old age I work part-time in two companies, in addition to design, as an analyst in promising areas of development in order to know where to go next for companies in their activities. fighter aviation, and so on. So I know a lot about life.
                  And with your convictions, just go and surrender to the West.
                  Just keep in mind, Russia is a self-sufficient country, where capitalism has returned. The time for the initial accumulation of capital, as it were, ends. Russia is moving forward, otherwise why would the West impose "hellish" sanctions. So the competition has grown. China is advancing, India is rising. Active stirring began in Latin America and Africa. America is weakening and the confidence in its dominance among many is already weak.
                  So I'm not in illusions, but just really look at life
                  1. +1
                    2 February 2022 13: 06
                    And with your convictions, just go and surrender to the West.
                    Just keep in mind, Russia is a self-sufficient country, where capitalism has returned. The time for the initial accumulation of capital, as it were, ends. Russia is moving forward ...- svoroponov (Vyacheslav)

                    Well, Vyacheslav, no offense, like an experienced person in life, they should understand, unlike the young, what and where, and so you argue ?! Is it really not clear that under the current comprador power and capitalism, there are no prospects for Russia's industrial development? We simply, because of elementary capitalist competition, with a destroyed industrial potential, will not be allowed to revive the once industrial power. Do you even know, for example, that the Siberian hydroelectric power stations on the Angara and Yenisei, and the aluminum plants associated with them - the basis of aircraft manufacturing, are already controlled by the United States, and they have been transferred to manage them? What kind of "self-sufficiency" of modern Russia are you writing about? The USSR was self-sufficient, before its surrender by the Gorbachev-Yeltsins. And now in Russia there is no self-sufficiency, in no direction of the development of the state: financial, economic, industrial, food and others. In Russia today there is not even, lost for the sake of the West, its own seed production. We simply will not be able to produce our own vegetables even in garden plots, we are not ensuring the food security of the country.
                    1. -1
                      4 February 2022 10: 49
                      It seems that you live in the period of 10-15 years ago in Russia.
                      When you live in a family, you don’t even notice the growing up of your own child, and the aging of your parents after 40 years to 60-65 is also somehow not very visible if they live with you. And I come on business and travel to different regions of Russia every year. And the changes are very noticeable, believe me.
                      Therefore, I look at the future of my homeland with optimism and faith in its strength.
                      And the West, the European Union, where I live is really degrading. And if he once attracted someone, now it is very noticeable how he is degrading. Even a part of the demos who emigrated from Russia and settled here begins to sober up and write about it.
                      And without the resources of Russia, from which they are beginning to be rubbed off, it will degrade even more.
                      And yet, American firms - co-owners, or, as it were, American owners of companies or firms in Russia, may be far from American, but completely Russian.
                      1. -1
                        4 February 2022 11: 09
                        An example for you. One large concern from Russia, at one time bought an American company that was engaged in the development of very valuable raw materials, at first bought a small share and then slowly tidied up part of the shares to a controlling stake. After that, within this company, it re-registered the use of their patents for itself and transferred through an agreement of shareholders and an agreement, its property, respectively, and agreements for the development of valuable raw materials. The result is an American wrapper in the form of a company that allows you to more seamlessly engage in activities and the actual belonging of Russia, which allows you to control the extraction of a valuable resource.
  6. +4
    28 January 2022 18: 30
    Interestingly, Mikhail Vladimirovich, what nickname did Yuri Gudkov earn at the Pacific Fleet, if not a secret?
    1. +9
      28 January 2022 18: 37
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      Gudkov

      I do not remember that our divisional commanders and commanders had nicknames.
      I had to communicate with him, he also found out about our father, and even pulled me up when I somewhat "relaxedly" told him, already the Commander, how we were falling without engines.
      1. +6
        28 January 2022 18: 44
        In the Northern Fleet, he did not leave a legacy after himself. Father did not tell anything, but the veterans of the regiment all unanimously said that they flew very little under Gudkov, and, accordingly, the class did not grow.
        1. +3
          28 January 2022 18: 47
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          flew very little

          Yes, being the Commander, he limited flights for any reason, he was afraid of everything. But somehow he did not stay with us as Commander for very long, it seems that he left for Nikolaev.
          1. +5
            28 January 2022 18: 50
            Yes, he graduated from the Nikolaev Center. Good position for retirement.
          2. +5
            28 January 2022 18: 59
            told him, already Commander, how we fell without engines.

            Maybe you can tell us? Although, I already understood that you have an antipathy for "heroic" stories.
            1. +8
              28 January 2022 19: 02
              Quote: CHEREDA73
              you have an antipathy for "heroic" stories.

              Yes, I don't like heroes.
              I'll tell you, but a little later, I still want to tell a little about the admirals.
      2. -2
        28 January 2022 18: 56
        Quote: Bez 310
        how we fell without engines.

        From a height of 10000m? And, you say - there is no romance in flight work.
      3. +2
        29 January 2022 04: 21
        how we fell without engines.
        +++++++
        Where do the engines go? Drank? :)
        I don't understand everything, it's just that you wrote so funny ... :)
        1. +4
          29 January 2022 09: 29
          Emnip 1989 ... Teachings .. landing an 12 with 1 (one of the four engines) I then sat on the "tower". Watched. On the glide path, everything went perfectly. But at the rate of all wore like a cat overeating valerian. All sat down successfully. But I have never heard such a selective swear word ...;)
  7. -1
    28 January 2022 18: 41
    As always very interesting
    good
  8. +6
    28 January 2022 18: 47
    Fascinatingly the author sets out. Without tediousness, but about flying life. My father happened in the naval aviation of the Northern Fleet. He flew a Tu-16 in the 60s. Therefore, I seem to be reading about my father's regiment in Severomorsk. what
    1. +7
      28 January 2022 18: 50
      Quote: xomaNN
      like about the father's regiment in Severomorsk.

      The author lived in Severomorsk in the 60s, and his father flew Tu-16s there.
      1. +5
        28 January 2022 20: 42
        It looks like our families were in the Arctic at about the same time. We lived in Maly Severomorsk (Otherwise Safonovo-2) until 1967. My father and other officers went by bus to the airfield in Severomorsk, where their regiment was based. And helicopter pilots were sitting in Maly
        1. +5
          28 January 2022 20: 43
          Quote: xomaNN
          We lived in Maly Severomorsk (Otherwise Safonovo-2) until 1967.

          We lived in Severomorsk -1 until 1967.
        2. 0
          3 February 2022 06: 41
          Small - Safonovo-1 (air. Severomorsk-2) There were two regiments of helicopters and a Be-12.
  9. +2
    28 January 2022 18: 50
    Quote: Bez 310
    when I somewhat "relaxedly" told him, already the Commander, how we fell without engines

    will we hear this story?
    1. +3
      28 January 2022 18: 52
      Quote: AlexSam
      will we hear this story?

      Yes, this story has already been published somewhere, many have read it, why repeat ...
      1. +1
        28 January 2022 20: 02
        Yes, this story has already been published somewhere

        Links not littered? feel
        1. +5
          28 January 2022 20: 42
          Quote: Military77
          Links not littered?

          I sent an extended version of the story to the editors of VO, perhaps they will publish it next week.
          1. 0
            28 January 2022 20: 46
            Thanks, I'll wait.
    2. -7
      28 January 2022 18: 57
      Just no jokes.
      1. +11
        28 January 2022 19: 45
        Vladimir, hello.
        Why don't you tell your service story. I think she's also very interesting. By the way, narratives can be built on contrasts: in Naval Aviation it was like this, but in Frontline Aviation it was different.
        There will be reader interest. And now I observe, excuse me, some kind of masochism on your part. Well, why do you need it? I read your comments on other threads - quite reasonable. Why is this thread different? hi
        1. +13
          28 January 2022 19: 56
          "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they get it from both sides" (C) hi
          1. +7
            28 January 2022 20: 01
            Hello Anton.
            I would not say anything if it were not for the feeling that Vladimir (Beaver) has a biography no less deserved than that of Mikhail Vladimirovich.
            And yes, I am a peaceful person. drinks
            1. +6
              28 January 2022 20: 05
              Hello, Eugene!
              Simply, you are currently trying to repeat the fate of the Mikado user. Do you know this?
              1. +6
                28 January 2022 20: 07
                No, I do not know. Does he have a special destiny?
                1. +8
                  28 January 2022 20: 16
                  Ugh, special. He also fought for peace in the entire forum ... He was banned when the phase of the struggle for peace passed into the stage "there will be no stone left unturned from the world" ... Your good friend and my best friend.
                  1. +5
                    28 January 2022 20: 20
                    I am “without fanaticism,” as one of my former bosses used to say when we started working on the materiel. Excessive zeal can break firewood.
                    1. +5
                      28 January 2022 20: 28
                      Excessive zeal can break firewood.
                      That's for sure! Especially in aviation.
        2. -3
          28 January 2022 20: 01
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          Why is this thread different?

          Because BEZ pours mud on the army, he himself lives in the thieves city of Krasnodar, receives a huge pension from the Moscow Region, which is embarrassing to voice, and to read all this dirt - sorry.
          1. +11
            28 January 2022 20: 04
            he lives in the thieves city of Krasnodar

            This puzzled me ... And what is wrong with Krasnodar?
            1. -5
              28 January 2022 20: 06
              Well, in any case, this is not Chelyabinsk and not even Samara.
              Tomatoes are cheap.
            2. +7
              28 January 2022 20: 19
              Well, this is not the Baltic, with its crappy climate... Fu, how disgusting!... laughing
              1. +3
                29 January 2022 13: 11
                Well, this is not the Baltic, with its crappy climate... Fu, how disgusting!.
                Here I would argue))) I myself have been living in St. Petersburg for the last 7 years. But compared to Vladivostok (where I come from .. or rather from Nakhodka) and Mongokhto (where I served), the climate is generally gorgeous! Humidity is so-so, there are practically no winds like in Vladik and frosts like in Mongokhto. The maximum that was observed was wind up to 15 m / s and frost down to -25. Fortunately, separately and for a very short time)) In July 16, when I arrived for the first time, I slept like a baby))) There is no sticky and damp stuffiness like in Primorye)) And the temperature drops are not so sharp ... In general, everything is relative hi The only thing is, there's not enough sun. But it varies from year to year
                1. +7
                  29 January 2022 13: 19
                  Yes, I'm kidding! I have been living in St. Petersburg for 30 years.
                  1. +4
                    29 January 2022 13: 21
                    Yes, I'm kidding!
                    milpardon! Didn't get the humor laughing I just heard enough here at work (and not only) of the groans and sighs of native Leningraders about the "heavy and uniquely uniquely exclusive St. Petersburg weather")))))
                    Soon I’m leaving for my small homeland for about a year ((((I mentally tune in to the local climate too.
                    1. +3
                      29 January 2022 13: 33
                      native Leningraders
                      Also the same "button accordion". I have not yet met a single indigenous, at least in the fourth generation.
                      1. +2
                        29 January 2022 15: 52
                        I have not yet met a single indigenous, at least in the fourth generation.
                        I rented in the 16th year a room with one grandmother. For 80 years. Blockade. That grandmother (said) from St. Petersburg is still old).
                        Also the same "button accordion"
                        Well, yes. Many born already consider themselves indigenous. Even without understanding the meaning of this laughing
                      2. +4
                        29 January 2022 15: 59
                        I don’t remember where I read the definition that a person living on a land in which three generations of ancestors are disgraced can consider himself a native.
                      3. +1
                        29 January 2022 16: 01
                        dwelling on a land in which three generations of ancestors have been disgraced.
                        yes... three or four. And out of ignorance, they confuse the concepts - "native" and "indigenous"))). Lan .. even we left the topic of the article)))
                      4. +2
                        29 January 2022 16: 04
                        we have gone off the topic of the article)))
                        What actually characterizes me laughing
          2. +10
            28 January 2022 20: 09
            Excuse me, Vladimir, but this is a banal "black envy".
            1. -5
              28 January 2022 20: 14
              Did you answer me? I don't understand, maybe I'm wrong.
              1. +7
                28 January 2022 20: 23
                Yes, I answered. Reply to the author. Post your memories.
            2. +8
              28 January 2022 21: 17
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              banal "black envy"

              As they say - out of the blue.
              I could not even think that a comrade was simply bursting with envy - a pension, a city, tomatoes ... Not to the face of an officer, not to his face.
              1. -5
                28 January 2022 21: 39
                Quote: Bez 310
                Not to the officer's face, not to the face.

                BEZ, what envy and what garden? We will soon go to the other world, what tomatoes?
                They give kicks, both of us, we will dive in fiery hell, and there we will probably sort things out.
                Have you looked at the coffin? I don’t recommend varnished, it’s better than ordinary, what difference does it make in which coffin the worms will eat.
                We flew, attacked targets with complex types of maneuver, it's time and honor to know, that is, get out.
                1. +4
                  29 January 2022 09: 48
                  Quote: bober1982
                  We will soon go to the next world


                  Here you know how, you find the right words for reconciliation. Yes, time is relentless.
                  "... fly or crawl the end is known:
                  everything will fall into the ground, everything will be dust"
                  1. -1
                    29 January 2022 09: 58
                    Yes, time flew by quickly, and what is there to remember, one stupidity was what I had, what he had.
                    1. +5
                      29 January 2022 10: 29
                      Yes, time flew by quickly, and what is there to remember, one stupidity was what I had, what he had.
                      Do not engage in self-flagellation - we normally gave to our Motherland, and the absence of war is evidence of this. Well, the fact that the USSR was not preserved, then there is no great fault of the military in this - it was not we who dreamed of eating from the belly, we had other ideals ...
  10. +2
    28 January 2022 19: 07
    !!! Thank you
  11. +3
    28 January 2022 20: 02
    Quote: Undecim
    intrigued.

    What language is this from?

    From what, from what? From EGEESHNOGO.
  12. HDZ
    +1
    28 January 2022 20: 47
    How do you remember someone? 22 years after the deadline, I remember two, three full names. But there the "commanders" really "distinguished themselves." I only remember the rest by sight and titles, I even forgot their nicknames.
    1. +5
      28 January 2022 21: 09
      Quote: HDZ
      How do you remember someone? Me 22 years after the deadline

      So I didn’t serve a “term”, but 30 years. That's what I remember.
      1. +3
        29 January 2022 02: 07
        Quote: Bez 310
        Quote: HDZ
        How do you remember someone? Me 22 years after the deadline

        So I didn’t serve a “term”, but 30 years. That's what I remember.

        and I, 40 years old, served as an "urgent", but like yesterday .. I even remember the call signs, and the numbers, and the names, and even the faces I remember the pilots, those ... young. I even remember the torn seat on the chair in the KDP.
  13. +2
    28 January 2022 21: 04
    Quote: Waterways 672
    Quote: Seryoga64
    We had such an officer

    We also had. Classic, one might say. Radzevskikai G.A. He served as the first mate on our ship, Gena was a nickname ........

    We had a teacher in the Navy (naval affairs) - he was widely
    used t. "associative method", than saving himself and the cadets
    lots of time.
    For example, side lights. You teach, you teach, but still get confused through one.
    And in his classes in 5 minutes - "remember - RIGHT GREEN! PeZe!
    (and immediately adds the most appropriate, in his opinion, "association")!
    And everything, tightly! Both departments remember RIGHT-GREEN for life!
  14. Cat
    +1
    28 January 2022 22: 09
    Nicknames are not titles, they are most often assigned once and very often as derivatives of surnames. Well, what other nicknames can people have with surnames, for example, Kotov or Somov? But there were also exceptions. Our deputy commander with a "horse" surname had the nickname "Pupsik" - thanks to his wife, who only once called him that with colleagues. Yes, it looked similar. lol
    As for the conscripts, the officers of the company addressed their sergeants by name (in an informal setting, of course), to the privates - by the last name
    1. +3
      28 January 2022 22: 31
      Quote: Gato
      very often as derivatives of surnames.

      Not always...
      My fellow cadet at the school was called "Non-Standard Box", and when we came together to serve in the same garrison, the nickname changed somewhat, and he became "Box" or "Nestor".
      1. Cat
        +1
        29 January 2022 01: 08
        Custom box

        Funny, albeit long. I immediately remembered my godfather, who received the nickname "Slavic closet" for his extremely characteristic appearance. I assume that your friend got his for the same reason. lol
  15. +2
    28 January 2022 22: 23
    And we have a foreman in
    in the rank of Art. The warrant officer was called Midshipman, including the commander. He really was once a midshipman, after the collapse of the USSR he returned from the mine and torpedo depot in the Northern Fleet to serve in our land homeland. At first I went around in a completely fantastic wagon the size of an average umbrella and a cream shirt, until I became, like the rest of us, spotty green
  16. -4
    29 January 2022 00: 21
    Another nonsense.

    1. In the Navy, almost ALL officers with a real higher 5-year education + many have command classes + some have the Naval Academy.

    2 In MA at that time there were 4-year schools, which were not quite higher, rather upper ones, where more and more were accepted - for health reasons, and sciences were often taught in non-flying weather in order to occupy time with something, so we got “pilots minus engineers ” and “navigators minus engineers” with a “top” blue rhombus.
    The 5th year of study, which has now been added, has not added either knowledge or flying skills.

    Aviation engineers with a normal 5-year education have rarely seen service prospects higher than an engineer of a regiment with the category "major".

    Technicians in the Navy - midshipmen after the schools of foremen-technicians, in the MA - officers after secondary universities.

    3. VVMU prepare fleet officers from the first day of the KMB with their naval psychology,
    and ALL naval aviation schools, and there were many of them - flight, navigation, aviation technical, engineering and special services schools of the MA were liquidated under the kakaruznik.

    From any aviation schools, MA is sent almost on a residual basis, the surplus left over from the Air Force.
    Taking into account the basing of MA units, especially no one wants to go there. Aviation of the Black Sea Fleet is not rubber.
    In the Vologda and Pskov regions, land and far from the seas, for ordinary people, MA officers in naval uniform look anecdotal, like cadets and officers of the naval political school in Kiev - like mummers from a guard of honor company disguised as sailors


    So a naval officer and an MA officer are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES,




    By the way, officers in the KGB called each other by name and patronymic, not by rank.
    1. +7
      29 January 2022 00: 38
      and ALL naval aviation schools, and there were many of them - flight, navigation, aviation technical, engineering and special services schools of the MA were liquidated under the kakaruznik.

      From any aviation schools, MA is sent almost on a residual basis, the surplus left over from the Air Force.

      It's strange to read this. OVVAUL and EVVAUL are flight schools specialized in MA. Orenburg - heavy aircraft, Yeysk - fighters. Issues went to MA, with the exception of a few who were left at the school as instructors hi
      1. +1
        29 January 2022 00: 49
        Yeyskoye for many years WAS the Naval Aviation School. Stalin.
        Long time ago his specialization was IBA.

        Some parts of the IBA as a result of the reforms could now end up in the MA.
        Yes, Orenburg graduates a lot of people in MA, but the whole way of the school - from traditions to uniforms - has long been "green" ..
        Because now an MA officer in a naval uniform, but not a sailor
        1. +7
          29 January 2022 01: 00
          Yes, Orenburg graduates a lot of people in MA, but the whole way of the school - from traditions to uniforms - has long been "green" ..
          Because now an MA officer in a naval uniform, but not a sailor

          Orenburg did not let out a lot of people in MA, but everyone, with the exception of those left by the instructors. I studied there - in the know. Of course, in the "holy 90s" both OVVAUL and EVVAUL were dispersed. As for who is a sailor, who is not a sailor, I will not argue. The uniform was naval, the ranks were combined arms.
          1. +1
            29 January 2022 14: 59
            Eugene, what years of study at OVVAUL?
            1. +4
              29 January 2022 15: 02
              In 1990 he entered and finished his first course. Then the doctors, be it wrong, said their word ...
        2. +4
          29 January 2022 07: 17
          Quote: RoTTor
          Some parts of the IBA as a result of the reforms could now end up in the MA.

          Yes, that’s exactly what happened, in the perestroika years, some FBA regiments (Su-24) and those IBA regiments that retrained for the Su-24 were subordinate to the "sailors", with all the ensuing consequences - the personnel were dressed in naval uniforms and so on. At the same time, the Su-24 miraculously turned from a front-line bomber into a naval attack aircraft.
          The Chernyakhovsk division (Su-24) was the first to receive such an honor, this kind of sacred cow of the FBA, Chernyakhovsk itself rightfully was, is and will be the capital of the FBA.
      2. +2
        29 January 2022 14: 56
        OVVAUL and EVVAUL are flight schools specialized in MA. Orenburg - heavy aviation,
        Quite right about Orenburg - after the Khrushchev pogrom, when the Orenburg Shturmanskoye was liquidated, the Flight remained, but made 2 releases in the Civil Air Fleet, then, from 1965, it recovered and began to train personnel for the MA, two FAB-100s were removed in front of the main entrance (more about Khrushche), and then they set up two anchors, beautiful and black. And the arrival of EBNa OVVAUL did not survive - it was liquidated immediately after the execution of the parliament in the fall of 1993.
        1. +3
          29 January 2022 15: 00
          Hello.
          Yes, there were definitely no bombs in front of the ULO. And the anchors? I don’t remember already ... Somewhere there is a photograph of the course in front of the ULO, it will definitely be seen there hi
          1. +2
            29 January 2022 15: 04
            The bombs were black with red stabilizers. My father took me from kindergarten and gave me the opportunity to play in the navigational cockpit of the IL-28, while he was teaching classes with the cadets. I was happy. The cabin was in the classroom. It was 1960.
            1. +4
              29 January 2022 15: 05
              Yes ...
              The world is small drinks
            2. +3
              29 January 2022 15: 08
              When I was studying, the IL-28 was gone. The Orsk regiment was re-equipped with the Tu-134UBL. And when I served in Chebenki, I saw cut 28s there ...
              1. +2
                29 January 2022 15: 17
                IL-28 were in the Navigator School. Until the liquidation of the navigation school, my father traveled to Chebenki for flights with cadets. Sometimes there were night flights.
                1. +5
                  29 January 2022 15: 20
                  From conversations with teaching officers, I remember that UBLs did not complain about passenger specifics. IL-28 was more appropriate. They've been cut for nothing...
                  1. +2
                    29 January 2022 15: 23
                    IL-28 was more appropriate. They've been cut for nothing...
                    They became victims of political games. And in Afghanistan, it was the IL-28 (Afghan) regiment that had no losses at all thanks to the aft rifle installation. Used actively. Dushmans destroyed it on the ground during shelling.
                    1. +5
                      29 January 2022 15: 32
                      I don't know about Afghanistan. The teachers said that as a training aircraft, the IL-28 is better ...
                      And so, what can I say ... I didn’t live up to flying at all. The flights started from the fourth semester. Only five hours on the L-29 simulator "flew" and three parachute jumps. It was a compulsory program in the first year.
                      1. +2
                        29 January 2022 15: 51
                        Yes, 1990 is not the best year for mastering the flying profession. This year I just defended my dissertation (the opponent was from Zhukovsky All-Russian Military Academy), immediately after the defense I had to go to a construction site, supervise high-altitude workers (industrial mountaineering). But now I tell my graduate students - I am a Soviet scientist, you will be CIS!
                      2. +5
                        29 January 2022 15: 57
                        That's for sure! My course was unlucky. The school was dispersed earlier. Who could, he transferred somewhere. What were the times, you remember. The dissertation is cool, of course. And after the army, I entered the Aviation Institute and after five and a half years I received a blue diploma good
                      3. +3
                        29 January 2022 16: 03
                        And after the army, I entered the aviation institute

                        Which institute, MAI?
                  2. +2
                    29 January 2022 17: 15
                    Quote: CHEREDA73
                    UBLs did not complain about passenger specifics. IL-28 was more appropriate. They've been cut for nothing...

                    The Tu-134UBL was originally made to train pilots on the Tu-22M, then it was also used to train navigators in the Orsk regiment you mentioned. The Tu-134Sh was more suitable for training, it was just a navigational training bomber.
                    The Il-s had no chance of escaping destruction, they cut the planes in regiments and divisions, absolutely new cars.
                    According to the legend, Stalin ordered the release of 10000 aircraft (Il-28) to bomb Alaska, and then Khrushchev ordered everything to be cut.
                    1. +3
                      29 January 2022 17: 24
                      Hello, Vladimir.
                      The nose cones are very similar to the UBL and Tu-22M. About the fact that in Orsk and navigators were trained for the first time I hear. In general, I have never been to Orsk. But I heard about the Tu-134UBSH. As I understand it, he was in service with the Chelyabinsk Navigator.
                      And Khrushchev, yes, a lover of cutting everything. Holy faith in rockets alone. By the way, immediately after graduating from Yeysk, my father fell under the Khrushchev abbreviation "one million three hundred." Then they came to their senses in the Ministry of Defense and began to call on people again ...
                      1. +2
                        29 January 2022 17: 33
                        Tu-134Sh and An-26Sh, these are training navigational aircraft, UBLs were after I graduated from school, I had not heard about UBSh.
                        Cadets were sent to the Orsk regiment, from Chelyabinsk, for practice or training, and they flew there.
                      2. +3
                        29 January 2022 17: 39
                        I can’t vouch for UBSH, I haven’t seen it live. Orenburg and Chelyabinsk are relatively close, so sometimes in conversations, teachers mentioned what they fly there. Maybe UBSH meant simply Sh. And the Orsky regiment, it turns out, was in "joint operation", how interesting ...
                        On UBL, I once flew as a passenger (and my entire course), when it was necessary to collect all the potatoes in Buguruslan so that OVVAUL would not die of hunger wassat
                      3. +2
                        29 January 2022 17: 47
                        In the Shagol regiment (Chelyabinsk) and now in the operation of the UBL, although a small number may have made a modification for the navigational training mentioned by the UBSH, I only saw these planes in Chelyabinsk and saw what they are, it's hard to say.
              2. 0
                3 February 2022 06: 57
                And who was your commander in Chebenki?
      3. 0
        29 January 2022 16: 06
        Well, there are such characters who broadcast the truth in the first instance.
    2. +2
      29 January 2022 07: 37
      3. VVMU prepare fleet officers from the first day of the KMB with their naval psychology,


      That yes laughing Naval psychology is something .. Of the six schools in Kiev, one was naval political. And oh wonder! They were hated by all the remaining five. And they hated everyone. When changing the garrison guard, during patrols in the city.
      It was an unfading, mutual hostility from generation to generation of cadets. And at the same time, there is no enmity between aviation, tankers, air defense officers, or motorized riflemen from KVOKU. lol Why did it happen ?
      1. +4
        29 January 2022 08: 11
        Quote: dauria
        It was an unfading, mutual hostility from generation to generation of cadets. And at the same time, there is no enmity between aviation, tankers, air defense officers, or motorized riflemen from KVOKU. Why's that ?

        There were three schools in Chelyabinsk - aviation, navigation, tank and automobile, and the relationship was very complex, and at all levels: soldiers, cadets, officers and generals. .
        But, this is apparently because there was no political school in the city.
      2. +4
        29 January 2022 10: 48
        And oh wonder! They were hated by all the remaining five. And they hated everyone. When changing the garrison guard, during patrols in the city.
        They hated it loudly, rather despised for their land essence, although they went on campaigns, as far as I remember.

        And at the same time, there is no enmity between aviation, tankers, air defense officers, or motorized riflemen from KVOKU. lol Why would that be?
        There was no hostility, but the combined arms tried to throw the truck out of the car when they drove past the tank one. And they threw the head of a rooster under the gate in response - that was in my time.
        1. +1
          29 January 2022 10: 56
          it was in my time.

          In our time (Olympiad in Moscow), if "sailors" changed us in the garrison guard, then you won't return to the barracks before midnight. Their second shift came from their posts, and we were still cleaning something, sewing on .... Nits. Well, of course, with the "return of the debt", if vice versa. laughing
        2. 0
          29 January 2022 11: 21
          Quote: 203-K
          There was no hostility, but the combined arms tried to throw the truck out of the car when they drove past the tank one. And they threw the head of a rooster under the gate in response - that was in my time.
          Very interesting. Do not explain what is the meaning, where is the insult? I'm not kidding, I really don't understand.
          1. +2
            29 January 2022 14: 31
            Very interesting. Do not explain what is the meaning, where is the insult? I'm not kidding, I really don't understand
            Apparently, the rumble of a departing track made the checkpoint duty officer and everyone who was nearby puff up. Well, if the visiting chief saw a truck near the walls of the school, then he would have screwed up the duty officer. I don’t know what the lost track symbolizes, but apparently something offensive. I won’t talk about the head of a rooster - that’s what cavalrymen contemptuously called infantry since tsarist times. Both of these schools were not very far from each other, and this is how the cadets of these institutions were kidding.
    3. +2
      29 January 2022 11: 04
      .Taking into account the basing of MA units, especially no one wants to go there.
      The situation was even worse for the Il-20M pilots from the squadrons of the OSNAZ brigades. In Shperenberg, for example, they stood with the pilots of the 16th VA, and perhaps in their hearts they envied both their flying skills and their height. But on the other hand, in intelligence itself, they were in a privileged position, and they were treated with respect not only by the brigade leadership, but also by the head of intelligence of the group. Maybe that's why they weren't particularly eager to be transferred to the Air Force, at least I didn't hear about the staff turnover in the squadron. In general, maybe one of the pilots will explain this phenomenon better, but as far as I remember, there have never been any problems with the squadron.
    4. 0
      31 January 2022 10: 41
      By the way, officers in the KGB called each other by name and patronymic, not by rank.

      It is written in the general military charters that officers, when communicating with each other, can address by name and patronymic. So it's common in all armed forces.
  17. +1
    29 January 2022 00: 39
    only officers and warrant officers serve there, and officers - about 75% of
    Nothing surprising. And the WTA is the same. And privates only with brooms .... :)
  18. +3
    29 January 2022 00: 56
    In air defense aviation, pilots and navigators who served on Tu-128 airships wore green uniforms, and flew all over the Arctic.
    The navigators of these ships were given a captain for 10 years of flying over the ocean.
    All aviation of the 10th Air Defense Army of the country of all types had lines of interception of a potential enemy over the Arctic. And they flew over the ocean constantly. But they did not consider themselves sailors.
    Once these regiments were part of the aviation of the Northern Fleet, before the Khrushchev era.
    1. +2
      29 January 2022 07: 29
      Quote: RoTTor
      For 10 years of flying over the ocean, the captain was given to the navigators of these ships

      In long-range aviation, Tu-95, Myasishchev - the second navigators as well, for 10 years of flights they received captains and they flew, the same seas and oceans.
  19. 0
    29 January 2022 01: 38
    (C) Let's say the right pilot, who quickly and without any whims ran for vodka, had the nickname "Fast Leg", which did not prevent him from becoming even a squad leader in the future. (C)
    "Fast legs" and made a career in the Navy. -) The main thing is to know the norm.
    1. 0
      29 January 2022 16: 15
      bullet man)))
  20. 0
    29 January 2022 01: 57
    How is it "there were no sailors"? Who washed the toilets? Majors themselves?
    1. +6
      29 January 2022 08: 33
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      How is it "there were no sailors"? Who washed the toilets? Majors themselves?

      It just wasn't there, that's all. There wasn't at all. I had one sailor for the entire headquarters, and that one from the neighboring unit, he lived in a cipher organ.
      And the toilet at the headquarters was washed by specially appointed people in civilian positions, but the garbage in the garrison, in the assigned territory, was removed by the majors, and the snow in the parking lot and at the headquarters - by lieutenant colonels.
      And when the sailors ran out in the base, in the security company, the majors went on guard at the airfield ...
      1. +3
        29 January 2022 12: 58
        It just wasn't there, that's all. There wasn't at all. I had one sailor for the entire headquarters, and that one from the neighboring unit, he lived in a cipher organ.

        It's amazing, Mikhail, to be honest, that there were no sailors. Maybe it started in the 90s?
        I remember that in 924 MCI there were barracks for sailors, and the sailors themselves. The information is valid at the beginning of the eighties. Since the regiment was Guards, the guards badges were handed over to the sailors after solemn studies (I don’t know how to call this event correctly). I remember it well, because my father took me to this event. And I, a little kid, was also handed a badge of the Guards. How proud I was! good
        1. +3
          29 January 2022 13: 19
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          Maybe it started in the 90s?

          What's the difference?
          And we had barracks and sailors, and then the sailors somehow ended ...
      2. 0
        30 January 2022 11: 03
        In the early 90s, when privates and partly officers ran around the national apartments, officers prepared coal for the stoker. Everyone who is free from service in the outfit or on the database.
        1. +1
          30 January 2022 11: 25
          Quote: O. Bender
          officers prepared coal for the stoker.

          I didn’t quite understand what “harvested” means, but in our country officers, usually flight crews, were engaged in unloading coal from wagons. Someday I'll tell you how it happened.
          1. +1
            30 January 2022 19: 24
            Coal from the place of unloading to the furnaces directly in the stoker. It was about 60 meters, in addition, before loading it into the trolley, it was necessary to split the frozen coal with crowbars.
            1. 0
              30 January 2022 19: 28
              Quote: O. Bender
              Coal from the place of unloading

              On your "tip" I designed and sent to the editors of the VO a short story about the organization of unloading coal. Maybe it'll be published in a week. Thanks for the "tip".
              1. +1
                30 January 2022 19: 43
                Great, I’ll tell you about croquet later, as part of the comment
  21. +1
    29 January 2022 10: 15
    Campaign, "Evil Dwarf" was in every Vaughan team :)
    While studying at a military school, all 4 courses were in the company. Nicknames were already assigned there. And since there were few officers of our specialty and they all served in the same units, then, as a rule, they used school nicknames.
    The exceptions were graduates of other schools and ensigns.
    But in general, nicknames were rarely used.
  22. 0
    29 January 2022 15: 22
    To contribute something by nicknames ... I studied at the military department of the LTI of the Leningrad City Council. And of all the teachers, only one had a nickname. But he had two. "Sour cream Kapitannikov" - from a reported student. This is for tongue-tiedness. And "The Whole Captain" - for aggravated CSF.
    This is how he got his last nickname:
    A big break in classes - the cadets go to lunch. crowd. Running. (whoever got up first - that and slippers). The door to the department is narrow, students are bursting past the orderly, like a herd. And to meet them - Captain Smetannikov of a slender physique, whom everyone ignores. It is impossible to lower this, so the first one who came across is snatched from the crowd, dragged aside and receives a reprimand:
    - How do you behave, cadet, because in front of you is a whole captain!
    1. 0
      30 January 2022 10: 28
      - How do you behave, cadet, because in front of you is a whole captain!
      - I can’t resist: “It’s enough to look at God’s light, see the clouds on the horizon and the mountains piling up in the distance, hear the roar of a forest waterfall and the singing of birds, and the thought involuntarily comes to mind: what is a captain compared to the splendor of nature?” laughing
  23. +1
    29 January 2022 16: 52
    by nature, I am kindness itself, and legends about this kindness of mine are still circulating throughout naval aviation.
    - has gone, then, kindness from our naval aviation?)
    1. +1
      29 January 2022 17: 47
      Quote: Reklastik
      gone, then, kindness from our naval aviation?)

      Our naval aviation has left ...
      1. +3
        29 January 2022 20: 08
        Will return, sooner or later.
  24. 0
    30 January 2022 11: 45
    He laughed heartily.
    At the school, the foreman of the company was called Boatswain because he was the senior midshipman, the company commander behind his back even now, when he is a colonel -Dyba
  25. 0
    30 January 2022 14: 10
    I have been with aviation for six years. A lot of people had nicknames. The commander, a very tall lieutenant general, had the nickname Udav, another general named Moshchin was called Kosch, General Pasechnik was called the Beekeeper, the propagandist of the political department Aist, the squadron doctor, a Jew, was a Hexagon and many more could be listed. But in any case, relations in aviation are different from other branches of the military, more comradely and democratic.
  26. 0
    31 January 2022 08: 57
    Quote: Reklastik
    Will return, sooner or later.

    It will return in the form of helicopters and UAVs for the surface fleet, because it is already impossible to live without it.
  27. 0
    31 January 2022 09: 15
    "Call me:" May General.
  28. +1
    31 January 2022 16: 50
    Nicknames were received not only in naval aviation.
    In our ZRP, the chief of staff received the nickname "Gnus" for his fabulously disgusting character.
    Regiment commander for a special manner of wearing a cap and a style of conversation - "Pinochet".
    A re-enlisted sergeant who, being the head of the car, managed to ram a tram and a passenger car - "Gastello" in a month.
    Platoon communications platoon for its softness and lack of will, taking into account the surname - "Seal".
    A platoon commander from a technical battery, CMS in freestyle wrestling, a comrade of extraordinary strength, who wore a cap of the 64th size - "Bing-707".
    Captain, deputy battalion of the 1st battery for a powerful physique and extraordinary strength - "Elephant".

    The late father-in-law served in naval aviation.
    Three officers with the surnames Buryak, Tsibulko and Kapusta served in one of the Tu16 crews.
    The call sign of the board was appropriate - "Salad" wink

    Best regards,
  29. -1
    4 February 2022 15: 34
    Not from aviation. Coming from the service, he returned to his native research institute and temporarily worked in the instrumentation shop. The people are wonderful, serious old men who know their business and their worth. A young boy arrives, having flown to the institute, and turns to my neighbor: Hello, Kondratych! He looked sternly over his spectacles: To whom Kondratievich, and to whom Alexei Kondratievich!