The American publication called the likelihood of a major deal for the purchase of Russian weapons by Iran extremely low

Iran intends to buy a large batch of weapons from Russia, including the latest Su-35 fighters and the S-400 anti-aircraft system, but the likelihood of a deal looks extremely low, writes the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch.

At the end of last year, information appeared about a planned arms deal between Russia and Iran. According to reports, Tehran intends to purchase a large batch of Russian weapons, including 24 Su-35 fighters, two batteries of S-400 air defense systems, as well as a Russian satellite. In addition, under the agreement, Russia will overhaul Iranian MiG-29s and Su-24Ks and retrain Iranian pilots. The cost of the deal will be $10 billion, most of which Iran will pay for with oil supplies.

However, the author considers the probable deal unrealistic and gives a number of arguments in his favor. First, he writes, settling with Russia, one of the largest oil exporters in the world, again with oil supplies, looks stupid. Secondly, the amount of the $10 billion deal does not match the approximate cost of the weapons planned for delivery. Based on previous Russian deals, the total for fighter jets and anti-aircraft systems will be about $4 billion, with another $5 billion to spend on repairs, training, and satellite. It is not clear where the other XNUMX billion came from.

Another argument in favor of the unrealistic deal is that Iran intends to buy the most expensive Russian Su-35 fighters, when until recently it was negotiating with China for the supply of Chinese J-10C fighters, which are much cheaper both themselves and in operation. Considering that the park is combat aviation Iran is significantly outdated, it is more profitable for Tehran to buy more Chinese fighters or Russian, but cheaper ones, for example, the MiG-35, which is a further development of the MiG-29, which is in service with the Iranian Air Force. Moreover, the Iranian military has previously shown interest in MiG fighters and cheaper Su-30s, but not in expensive Su-35s.

Thus, the probability of a deal between Russia and Iran for the purchase of S-400 air defense systems and Su-35 fighters for $10 billion remains extremely low, the author concludes.

Comments

[rusich]

Iran is unpredictable. He will take and buy the SU-35. Then he will melt aircraft carrier groups like blind kittens in the Persian Gulf

[Ilya-spb]

Americans are dumb. In Russia and Iran, they understand what a delta of 5 billion is and what needs to be done with it.

[Zaurbek]

There are a lot of decisions here .... you need to read the contract ..... training, ammunition, spare turbojet engines, ground equipment .... etc. In general, if you build an Air Force fleet, I would start with the MiG35S and Su30SM2 ...... and replace everything that is with these machines .... Or J10 and Su30SM2 ... and Chinese sighting containers.

[Stepan S]

Americans are dumb.

They are stupid then stupid, but they know about the delta and five billion no worse than the Iranians and Russians.

[marat2016]

The question is not what Iran wants, but what the Russian Federation, which is very sensitive to the opinion of dear Western partners and no less expensive officials from Israel, will sell to it.

[Alex777]

Israel has already stepped on Egypt's toes.
Forced to suspend the deal on the Su-35 ...
Now he will regret it more than once.
And what to do so that only 24 Su-35
got to Iran, Israel knows for sure.

[marat2016]

At best, the Su-35 will become combat-ready in Iran in a year. And despite the fact that Iran has neither AWACS aircraft, nor such a number of modern aircraft, and I think the quality of the pilots is lower. That is, the delivery of 24 Su-35s will not seriously change anything. The same picture with the S-400 if they are also sold. But on the other hand, if Israel dares to strike, it will be before all this becomes combat-ready.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: marat2016

At best, the Su-35 will become combat-ready in Iran in a year. And despite the fact that Iran has neither AWACS aircraft, nor such a number of modern aircraft, and I think the quality of the pilots is lower. That is, the delivery of 24 Su-35s will not seriously change anything. The same picture with the S-400 if they are also sold. But on the other hand, if Israel dares to strike, it will be before all this becomes combat-ready.

Well, why: Iran already has 4 S-300PMU-2 divisions, so they will be able to master the S-400. There are "Torah" also. There are Soviet fighters and pilots who can fly them. Here the question will be in retraining, and this is not as difficult and time consuming as teaching again.

[marat2016]

1. With the S-400, there is more of a question when they will be made (the queue and the Indians are waiting for them). 2. Comparing the MiG-29 "9-12B" and the Su-35 is not very .... moreover, to teach not only pilots but also technicians.

[Alex777]

Quote: marat2016

and the quality of the pilots I think is lower

30 Iranian pilots are already being trained in Russia. Think more.

[marat2016]

1. Throw off pictures or an official message of arrival. 2. How is this possible if there is no agreement today and the Persians will arrive in Moscow only on the 19th. And the question is whether they agree or not.

[Alex777]

Quote: marat2016

Throw off pictures or an official message of arrival.

Or maybe you also have a key to the apartment where the money is?

Quote: marat2016

And the question is whether they agree or not.

Already agreed. Read about the expectations of the visit.
It is nothing more, nothing less, a military alliance.

[marat2016]

1. Agreed, this is when there is a contract. 2. There is a contract for the Su-30SME, as I understand it, they will come to discuss its implementation. The issue of the Su-35 arose unscheduled ... So there is still negotiation and negotiation.

[Alex777]

The topic is such that they speak little and rarely. Not surprising.

[marat2016]

It will be possible to discuss something when (if) deliveries to Iran begin. In fact. So far, there are only thoughts of a number of specialists and non-specialists of varying degrees ....

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

The topic is such that they speak little and rarely. Not surprising.

The topic is really sensitive. And the article by the American author is stupid, he even has problems with arithmetic, he can’t count on logic. He considered that 10 billion is too much, they say, 24 billion for air defense systems and 5 fighters. But Iran has always wanted to buy not 24, but 75 (!) Heavy fighters. So - the cost of 75 Su-35 = 7,5 billion dollars. + 2,5 billion dollars. for two regimental sets of S-400 (this was the case for Turkey).
Total 7,5 + 2,5 = a miracle of 10 billion dollars.
24 Su-35s will be delivered this year - they will be overtaken by the summer.
And the remaining 51 pcs. will be delivered in the coming years.
I will also correct the "logic" of the American "expert" - about negotiations on Chinese J-10s.
The fact is that for several years it has been known that Iran will most likely choose the Su-35 or Su-30 as a heavy fighter, and as a light J-10. So one does not exclude the other.
And Iran's plans for light fighters are measured in the order of 150 J-10s.
The author’s opinion that the Russian Federation will not take oil is also stupid. More like take. Indeed, when calculating oil, its cost is always at a good discount (expenses and troubles for its sale). And the oil will go to India. She needs a lot of oil, and the Russian Federation has its own refineries in India ... and a network of gas stations. Oil is NEEDED. Indeed, when delivered from Iran, logistics costs will be much less.
But having re-equipped its aviation, Iran will be completely different - the strongest military power in the Gulf, and maybe the entire region, and besides, a nuclear one.

[Zaurbek]

In the Russian Federation there is a special Russian-Iranian bank that solves problems in mutual settlements between our countries. The main thing is that Iran would have enough money for mutual settlements.

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

The main thing is that Iran would have enough money for mutual settlements.

The question is what kind of money. Iran is under sanctions and cannot pay in dollars / euros - transactions are prohibited, money will be arrested. Therefore, the calculation is carried out in oil, gold, barter. An agreement "Goods instead of oil" has long been concluded with Russia, while oil comes at a discount. Oil from Iran (and Venezuela) goes to Indian refineries owned (50%) by the Russian Federation, and then to gas stations, the network of which in India is owned by the Russian Federation is about 4000 units.
So there is where to carry Iranian oil. And the cost of transportation is less. China is also working with Iran in the same way.
And according to this scheme, grain is supplied to Iran from the Russian Federation.

[Zaurbek]

Iran also needs to eat ... and these same resources go to food ...

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

the same resources go to food ...

For this, they built grain terminals on the southern coast of the Caspian Sea (or our exporters built them), delivery is by sea.

[Zaurbek]

I'm talking about the fact that they need to eat and buy equipment for them .... and a certain amount and price of oil and resources, obviously at a discount ..... Trade itself is a matter of technology .. there is the Caspian Sea, there is the Volga River. There are oil terminals and grain, and the Russian Federation can always sell its oil as an offset.

[bayard]

Iran has a relatively balanced economy and has been under sanctions for a long time. And he has been trading at a discount for a long time - a forced measure, but this is a payment for risk and inconvenience. That's why our defense enterprises or grain traders need Iranian oil?
And in order to sell it, you need to attract a gasket company, to which most / all of the discount will go away, and even wait until the deal goes through ... troublesome. So the discount is not in vain.
But if the contract is large, the volumes are large, then it makes sense.
Or do you think it costs nothing to help the Iranians to sell oil?
After all, Russia also has export quotas under the OPEC agreement.

True, in recent years there have been rumors about the imminent division of the world into currency zones. And that the Russian Federation will have its own currency zone. but it should be much larger than the RF itself. So it's time for Iran to apply to the CSTO (what a hairpin of the USA) and the EAEU - which will be this very currency zone.

[Zaurbek]

Here you also need to take into account that in order to extract oil, you need to buy equipment and conduct oil and gas exploration ...... and repair what you have.

[bayard]

For this, there is China, which has concluded an investment deal with Iran for 300 billion dollars. , but the fact of the matter is that he will still take Iranian oil at a discount. You can do it yourself, but then the equipment is only from China and the Russian Federation - sanctions.
True, having increased its status by re-equipping the Air Force and acquiring a nuclear status, its negotiating positions may increase.
And if he becomes a member of the CSTO and possibly the EAEU, then the single currency and the single market will benefit him. Iran, after all, has a lot of things besides oil.
For example, GAZ ... which he cannot sell anywhere. The way out is gas-liquefying capacities, because the neighbors do not allow him to pull pipes.
The Russian Federation has its own gas-liquefying technologies and its own production of them, now Rosneft is building factories on this equipment ... If there is interest (from Rosneft), you can also participate in Iranian projects. Especially within the framework of a single bloc and the EAEU.

[Zaurbek]

It is the RF that is easier with this, because. we ourselves are the largest exporter of oil ..... and to buy and be under sanctions for this there may be a conditional "Volgograd heat energy sales" ...... It is more difficult for China and the Turks ... The Turks have already clapped gold with Iran for oil ..

[1Alexey]

Quote: marat2016

There is a contract for the Su-30SME

Where does such information come from? Please provide a link about this.

[marat2016]

“Regarding contracts for the purchase of fighter jets, trainer aircraft and combat helicopters from Russia, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran explained: “The necessary contracts were concluded after the lifting of the arms embargo on Iran and we discussed their implementation during this visit.”

[1Alexey]

Quote: marat2016

“Regarding contracts for the purchase of fighter jets, trainer aircraft and combat helicopters from Russia, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran explained: “The necessary contracts were concluded after the lifting of the arms embargo on Iran and we discussed their implementation during this visit.”

And where does it show that there is a contract for the Su-30SME.
You wrote about this and I asked for a link to this information.

[marat2016]

I wrote that the Su-30 in my opinion. This is the most likely option.

[Zaurbek]

Egypt does not buy weapons at its own expense ..... no one will let the US and Saudis spend money on weapons from the Russian Federation. Even Israel itself does not buy its weapons with money from the United States ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

Israel has already stepped on Egypt's toes.
Forced to suspend the deal on the Su-35 ...
Now he will regret it more than once.
And what to do so that only 24 Su-35
got to Iran, Israel knows for sure.

You, in your lies and Israeli hatred, have already completely lost everything reasonable.
Egypt has not bought anything with its own money over the past 10 years, but someone sponsored it all the time.
Americans annually bash for the Canal,
The Saudis are bashing.

And it is the Saudis who pay for aviation.
And it is they who dance and bend Egypt the way they want.
And in what position to put Egypt - it is the Saudis who also make the decision, but not the Egyptians themselves.

[Grits]

Quote: rusich

He will take and buy the SU-35. Then he will melt aircraft carrier groups like blind kittens in the Persian Gulf

In order to melt something, the MiG-35 is just better. In general, the American is right - the MiG-35 is much more preferable for the Iranians than the Su-35

[Alex777]

We are talking about the Su-35, which were made for Egypt and 3 billion have already been paid to us.
But the US is threatening to stop supplying parts to Egypt's F-16 fleet.
Because of this, the question is up. Oil will get Egypt. We already have the money.
Ready planes are waiting on the site of the aircraft factory. Everyone is fine.
Discussion of what is suitable and what is not for Iran - from the finger. IMHO.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Alex777

We are talking about the Su-35, which were made for Egypt and 3 billion have already been paid to us.
But the US is threatening to stop supplying parts to Egypt's F-16 fleet.
Because of this, the question is up. Oil will get Egypt. We already have the money.
Ready planes are waiting on the site of the aircraft factory. Everyone is fine.
Discussion of what is suitable and what is not for Iran - from the finger. IMHO.

Yes, that is right. I also heard this news in the telegram channel. Only it was about 30 Su-35 Fighters. And that the pilots have already been selected to be sent to Russia for training.

[Alex777]

Quote: FRoman1984

only it was about 30 Su-35 Fighters.

About 30 pilots for 24 aircraft.

[vintorez]

And how will he drown them? It's just not realistic or possible.

[rusich]

The Su-35 can take on board not only air-to-air missiles, but also the widest range of weapons to work on land and sea targets, from smart bombs to the Yakhont anti-ship cruise missile.

[vintorez]

What are smart bombs? An anti-ship missile has a range too short to even approach an aircraft carrier group.

[rusich]

The length of the Yakhont missile is 8 m (ship), 6,1 m (aviation). The length of the TPK is 8,9 m (aviation). The maximum firing range is up to 300 km. Flight altitude - 5‑15000 m. Flight speed - up to 750 m / s (2,6 M). The trajectory is combined and low-altitude. Control system - inertial with RGSN. Launch weight of the rocket - 2500 kg (aviation), 3000 kg (ship) Weight in TPK - 3900 kg.

[Zaurbek]

And where is the AUG suitable? What would influence Iran? If you look at the map - there is no place. There, everything from land is shot through by anti-ship missiles ....

[Comrade Kim]

In your words yes honey ...
Iran is ready to purchase a large amount, but the pro-Israeli lobby in our country is very strong. And the Israeli relatives of some officials have an overwhelming influence on them. This was well demonstrated with the refusal and then the postponement of the execution of a prepaid Iranian contract for the supply of C 300, under the then President Mendelevedev.
Apparently, even now only those weapons with which the Israelis are well acquainted (and against which countermeasures and methods of successful struggle have been developed) will be sold.
Most likely, for a "special" approach to the sale of weapons to Iran, Israel will again sell museum junk to our generals. Which will be sold as achievements of the domestic military-industrial complex that have no analogues in the world.
How disgusting it is to sell the interests of Great Russia for teudat zeuta (registration) in Tel Aviv.

[Sling of David]

With Russia, everything is based on mutual benefit. Russia does not sell something to Iran, but Israel does not sell something to Ukraine. All for garlic

[Jacket in stock]

As the saying goes, the fool gets richer with a dummy.

And so, how many people, so many opinions.
In my opinion, there are several obvious inaccuracies:
Su35 can hardly be called the latest.
MiG35 in full configuration, i.e. with AFAR, it is unlikely to be much cheaper, maybe even vice versa.
The Su30 has now been upgraded in packing to the level of the Su35, so the price will be exactly the same.
Well, what is better, a couple of dozens of more or less advanced Dryers or a dozen of three or four "Chinese", here is an amateur question. Again, the Persians are now much stronger friends with China than with us.

[fruc]

I can’t say that Iran can choose from aircraft, but defensive weapons in the form of modern air defense systems (various types) have something to offer, especially since there is something and from whom to protect.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: frruc

but defensive weapons in the form of modern air defense systems have something to offer

So it is in China. Yes, the Persians themselves know something.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Jacket in stock

As the saying goes, the fool gets richer with a dummy.

First, he writes, settling with Russia, one of the largest oil exporters in the world, again with oil supplies, looks stupid.

Yeah. And when wartime America, one of the largest sellers of oil, itself producing oil, is almost the largest buyer of oil from Russia - this is not stupid. And gas - the largest importer after the European Union, China and Canada - is also not stupid? Is it stupid to buy gas in Russia and resell it to China?

Quote: Jacket in stock

As the saying goes, the fool gets richer with a dummy.

What about the basic principle speculation business - resale? Not according to K. Marx, the creation of surplus value, but stupid resale? Isn't that stupid in his opinion? He looks stupid himself

author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch

[dreamshake]

Such things cannot be, for an amateur, - only, for a pro, and this is definitely the Su-35s

[ultra]

Su-35S cannot be delivered to Iran. Su-35E can.

[Zaurbek]

In the Chinese contract, the Su35S was delivered without changes and adaptations for China ....

[lucul]

In my opinion, there are several obvious inaccuracies:
Su35 can hardly be called the latest.

The Iranians don’t care at all, they will be happy with any Drying - they still fly on the F-5. Therefore, even the Su-30 is manna from heaven for them.
Arms deliveries to Iran are directly correlated with our obedience to the Zionists.

[Sling of David]

"Israeli," I say, "the military
Known to the whole world!
Like a mother, I say, and like a woman
I demand them to answer!

Which year I am a widow
All happiness is past
But I stand ready
For the cause of peace!
As a mother I declare to you and as a woman! .. "

[bayard]

Quote: Jacket in stock

As the saying goes, the fool gets richer with a dummy.

If you are talking about an American author, then it is so.
Iran, on the eve of the Nuclear Deal, decided that after the embargo was lifted, the first thing it would do was upgrade its Air Force by purchasing 75 heavy fighters (Su-30 or Su-35) and 150 light fighters (MiG-35 or J-10 of the latest modification). As you can see, the choice fell on the Su-35 and J-10, and the choice (in my opinion) is optimal.
The MiG-35 may be of interest only to that buyer who needs ONE type of fighter. For the MiG-35S is a medium-class fighter.
And about the total amount of the expected contract.
Considering that in total Iran needs 75 heavy fighters (and not 24), the cost. 100 billion each, then the cost is 75 pcs. = 7,5 billion dollars.
And two regimental sets of S-400 = 2,5 billion dollars. (so it cost Turkey).
Here are the required 10 billion dollars.

[Zaurbek]

Iran needs to resolve the issue of air defense over its territory ..... for this opportunity (today) Su35S "above the roof" there is no need for "stealth" ..... We need an aircraft with a powerful radar and a long stay in the air and a large arsenal .....

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Zaurbek

Iran needs to resolve the issue of air defense over its territory ..... for this opportunity (today) Su35S "above the roof" there is no need for "stealth" ..... We need an aircraft with a powerful radar and a long stay in the air and a large arsenal .....

Have you seen the Iranian relief?

[Zaurbek]

I saw and lived nearby ... ... they really need a radar in the air and all the enemies are not in neighboring countries ... .. they fly for quite a long time and with support aircraft.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Zaurbek

I saw and lived nearby ... ... they really need a radar in the air and all the enemies are not in neighboring countries ... .. they fly for quite a long time and with support aircraft.

Well, somehow I also flew to Tehran once.
In 2011 year ...
Mountains all around
Radars are simply useless ...
Or they need hundreds and thousands ...

[Zaurbek]

In any case, you need air defense = air defense systems and fighters ... and, preferably, AWACS compatible with them

[poquello]

"Today, 12:53" is printed today, but when did it come out in Military Watch?

[Doccor18]

According to reports, Tehran intends to purchase a large batch of Russian weapons, including... The deal will cost $10 billion, most of which Iran will pay for with oil supplies.

Whose data? Maybe they are not entirely accurate, and in addition to the above, a number of other points will be included in the contract ...

Thus, the likelihood of a deal between Russia and Iran ...remains extremely low, the author concludes.

Thus, the Democrats would very much not want this deal to take place, so they would write ...

[Alex777]

Quote: Doccor18

Whose data? Maybe they are not entirely accurate, and in addition to the above, a number of other points will be included in the contract ...

As always, critics forgot about rockets and bombs.
And Iran needs a lot of them. Otherwise - why does he need planes?
And no one can evaluate the overhaul of Iranian aviation.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Alex777

And no one can evaluate the overhaul of Iranian aviation.

Yes, repairs there, apparently, "no end" ...

Quote: Alex777

about rockets and bombs

Yeah, 5 yards...

[Alex777]

Yes, repairs there, apparently, "no end" ...

And they've never been repaired.
So they also need rockets and bombs not only for the Su-35.

[Thrifty]

The deal really may not take place if it is carried out by some kind of miracle on our part, such as ala Vedmedev, who, for the sake of the United States, simply breaks or stupidly freezes any military contract .....

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Thrifty

The deal really may not take place if it is carried out by some kind of miracle on our part, such as ala vedmedev

At the talks on Serdyukov's Mistrals, the French were surprised at the exceptional compliancy of the Russian side.

That “Vedmedev” would have been sitting, playing his iPhone and rejoicing that almost no one remembers him. Well, if only when it starts to get dark earlier than usual for decades, his frills over time are remembered with an unkind word. And then - casually ...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Thrifty

The deal really may not take place if it is carried out by some kind of miracle on our part, such as ala vedmedev

At the talks on Serdyukov's Mistrals, the French were surprised at the exceptional compliancy of the Russian side.

That “Vedmedev” would have been sitting, playing his iPhone and rejoicing that almost no one remembers him. Well, if only when it starts to get dark earlier than usual for decades, his frills over time are remembered with an unkind word. And then - casually ...

There was a rebound there. Since Serdyukov, while under arrest, secretly flew to France. What for? I think I settled the issue so that there was no noise, in case of demands for its return. It wasn't foreseen.

[Geniy ​​yev]

[/ quote] That "Vedmedev" would have been sitting, playing his iPhone and rejoicing that almost no one remembers him. Well, if only when it starts getting dark earlier than usual for decades, they remember his tricks with time with an unkind word [quote]

By the way, the most wrecking act, especially for the province.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from: Geniy ​​Yev

That “Vedmedev” would have been sitting, playing his iPhone and rejoicing that almost no one remembers him. Well, if only when it starts to get dark earlier than usual for decades, it starts with an unkind word to remember his tricks over time

By the way, the most wrecking act, especially for the province.

It was worse only in 91, when something was also done there and on the 20th of June, the longest days of the year, at 10 pm it was absolute night, at 3 o'clock in the morning it was absolute day. There, in my opinion, they "twisted" something for two hours.

[Mountain shooter]

Ha ... and secret supplies? What is not declared in the open part of contracts? Armament for fighters, for example? Anti-ship under them, after all, are hung up? And our oil will be easily taken as payment. liquid commodity. Iran is forbidden to sell. But we don’t ... For the same China, quietly penned for yuan - they change without problems for whatever you want.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What is not declared in the open part of contracts?

This cannot be hidden today, sooner or later the Americans will find out and will start trumpeting in all the media.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Ha ... and secret supplies? What is not declared in the open part of contracts? Armament for fighters, for example? Anti-ship under them, after all, are hung up? And our oil will be easily taken as payment. liquid commodity. Iran is forbidden to sell. But we don’t ... For the same China, quietly penned for yuan - they change without problems for whatever you want.

I am inclined in favor of "currency + oil" according to the 50x50 scheme. In addition, there are expectations that oil prices will rise above $100 per barrel, and therefore stake oil for several billion at the current price is quite a good deal.

[Alex777]

I unsubscribed above to whom this oil will go.
The planes are already standing, paid for by money.
Exactly 24 pieces. Ready. You don't have to wait.

[alone]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

our oil will be easily taken in payment. liquid commodity.

There is only a problem with transportation .. there is no pipeline connecting Iran and Russia .. but it will take a long time to build it, and judging by the appetites of the builders, it will be expensive

[svd-xnumx]

Oil in the ports of Iran becomes the property of Russia and is sold by tankers to China or India. At a good price, even Israel will buy it.

[alone]

Quote: svd-xnumx

Oil in the ports of Iran becomes the property of Russia and is sold by tankers to China or India. At a good price, even Israel will buy it.

The risk is great .. no one will give a 100% guarantee that after paying 10 billion, the price of oil will not suddenly fall .. The United States and its Arab allies can do this without any problems

[Sergey M. Karasev]

You can carry tankers across the Caspian Sea.

[alone]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

You can carry tankers across the Caspian Sea.

Maximum 13th .. large tankers do not sail in the Caspian + more transportation costs from the South to the North through Iranian territory .. All Iranian oil fields are located near the Persian Gulf .. Well, this is an option if Iran takes delivery at least to the Caspian ports

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Mountain Shooter

our oil will be easily taken in payment. liquid commodity.

There is only a problem with transportation .. there is no pipeline connecting Iran and Russia .. but it will take a long time to build it, and judging by the appetites of the builders, it will be expensive

There are other mechanisms at work here. Purchased oil becomes Russian, not Iranian. The United States is just as successful in buying Russian liquefied gas and reselling it to buyers, but under its own contracts, but this does not mean that the gas is produced in the United States.

[1Alexey]

Quote: lonely

There is only a problem with transportation .. there is no pipeline connecting Iran and Russia.

In fact, such a pipeline already exists, and oil has already been delivered to us through it. Iran has already somehow settled with us with oil.

[alone]

Quote: 1Alexey

In fact, such a pipeline already exists, and oil has already been delivered to us through it. Iran has already somehow settled with us with oil.

It was calculated by a pipeline through Azerbaijan .. you will have to pay for transit and other services ..

[1Alexey]

Quote: lonely

Quote: 1Alexey

In fact, such a pipeline already exists, and oil has already been delivered to us through it. Iran has already somehow settled with us with oil.

It was calculated by a pipeline through Azerbaijan .. you will have to pay for transit and other services ..

If it was considered profitable then, why should it not be profitable now?

[Kesha1980]

Buy from China. China plans to "pour" too much money into Iran. Yes, and Iran remembers how we beat them with the "three hundred" (at the "persistent request of the partners"). And I don’t believe that we will deliver “400” to Iran - it is extremely unlikely, there is someone to “advise not to do this.”

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Kesha1980

I don’t believe that we will deliver "400" to Iran

Yes, like a be, it seems that ours were also offered to replace the frozen three hundred, but for some reason Iran did not take it. Probably because of the price.
Or maybe desa.

[Kesha1980]

. but iran for some reason did not take.

Strange, do not find)
Taking into account the presence of atomic objects. Is local missile defense so impenetrable?

[Alex777]

Nothing strange. Nobody offered the S-400 then.
Instead of the S-300, they offered the S-350. Iran took the S-300.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alex777

Instead of the S-300, they offered the S-350.

But nothing that the C350 appeared a few years later?

[Alex777]

Nothing. That is why Iran refused.
The complex was not yet in service with us.

[1Alexey]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Kesha1980

I don’t believe that we will deliver "400" to Iran

Yes, like a be, it seems that ours were also offered to replace the frozen three hundred, but for some reason Iran did not take it. Probably because of the price.
Or maybe desa.

Here you just got it wrong.
Iran was offered to replace the frozen S-300PMU-2, which at that time had ceased to be produced, with more modern Antey-2500 air defense systems, but Iran refused, demanding the S-300PMU-2, which were eventually supplied to it from the reserve of the Ministry of Defense.

[kebzuref]

At one time, due to the UN arms embargo, a deal to sell S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran fell through. This damaged the relations between the two countries in the field of military-technical cooperation. The deal was later completed. The S-300 systems, the Pantsir-S1 and Tor complexes were delivered to Iran.
Iran already in 2016 received the first batch of S-300s and all the graters have already been settled, so before what she says, study the materiel ....

[Kesha1980]

After a lawsuit against Rosoboronexport for $3,9 billion)? After such a lawsuit, any graters are settled.
Time. 5 years lost. The customer was clearly not happy about this. Only after the sanctions of 14 years, Putin signed the go-ahead for supplies. When the West "punished" us, then we felt the sanctions and began to understand Iran better.
Something tells me that Iran will remember all this.

[kebzuref]

You think emotionally, there are no insults in politics, in politics there is one rule that is beneficial or not beneficial, politicians do not think in terms of insults, if one of the politicians thinks in this way, he will lose, and for reference, in all types of weapons, Russia is ahead of China , and in terms of air defense systems, Russia is ahead of the planet, and if Iran wants such complexes, then it can only get it from Russia, China does not have such systems, everything is very poor

[mark1]

The Su-35 deal with Iran has already been completed. Are they lying?

[donavi49]

On the Su-35, the taps were generally closed. Even Egyptian sides rust.

The fate of the Egyptian contract for the purchase of Su-35 fighters remains uncertain

Despite the fact that the contract for the purchase of Su-35 aircraft by Egypt from Russia has been signed and their construction has been completed, the aircraft have not yet been delivered to Egypt.

[Flooding]

Quote: donavi49

On the Su-35, the taps were generally closed. Even Egyptian sides rust.

there is still hope
otherwise what was the point of accumulating them?
apparently, no official refusals from Egypt have been received
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4463258.html

[Flooding]

Iran and Russia will sign a $2022 billion 20-year security and defense cooperation agreement in January 10 that will include the purchase of Su-35 fighter jets, S-400 missiles and satellites. This is reported by the Mehr agency with reference to the website 19fortyfive.

According to information gathered by a defense analyst, the agreement will include the purchase of at least 24 Su-35SE heavy fighter jets. Many of these aircraft have already been built as they were part of a pending order for Egypt.

wrote at the end of December the Israeli news channel
https://www.7kanal.co.il/News/News.aspx/235095

[Pytnik]

On the network, many different resources give such information on the Egyptian contract:

[/ quote] We can talk about buying 24 units of these fighters, and about 16 of them have already been produced and are located at the site of the Gagarin Aviation Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. He explained that these are fighters that Egypt ordered in 2018, but Washington is preventing the completion of the deal, threatening to impose sanctions on Cairo, which will harm the existing arsenal of the Egyptian Armed Forces (more than 200 F-16 fighters, dozens of AH-64 Apache helicopters and over 1000 tanks M1А1 Abrams). Therefore, the Egyptians are in no hurry to receive combat aircraft from the Russians. In turn, the Russians tried to sell these Su-35SE to Indonesia, but the United States made a fuss here too.

Cairo immediately paid Moscow $3 billion for the planes, the aircraft has already been built or is on the assembly line, so there can be no talk of terminating the contract in principle. In this regard, the Egyptians allegedly asked the Russians to transfer these fighters to Iran, which will pay for them with "barrels of crude oil." This is a normal barter deal with an absolutely working scheme that will satisfy everyone except the US. Iran has already selected 30 pilots to be sent to study in Russia, and if the above agreement is signed as planned, then training will begin in January, and by mid-2022, all 24 Su-35SE will be handed over to the Iranians. [quote]

[mark1]

So the Egyptians will go to Iran as agreed by the 3 parties (by the way, 3 billion have already been received for them)

[Orsis338]

Egypt will not go on Saudi assistance, and they will clearly be against the appearance of the Su-35 among the Persians

[bar]

Quote: donavi49

On the Su-35, the taps were generally closed. Even Egyptian sides rust.

Here they will be sold to Iran so that they do not rust. Iran in its blockade, unlike Egypt, has nothing to lose. And a military alliance from Iran with Russia would be a good "asymmetric" NATO response to its obstinacy

[PN]

Quite reasonable conclusions. But, as they say, let's wait and see.

[alone]

As for the desires of the purchase, everything is clear.
But it will really not be easy for Iran to pay. Iran is now in a very difficult economic situation ... The lack of water has led to a critical situation for the local population in the main agricultural areas .. farmers have lost their crops, moreover, this has been going on for several years in a row. .Products that were previously produced at home have to be bought abroad .. Prices have risen, inflation has begun in the country, people are already protesting with social
requirements .. The most important thing is that the government, instead of solving problems, began arrests and banally shoot protests .. The leadership is faced with a choice: either strengthen the defense against the threat of external dangers, or raise the standard of living of its own population .. Both very important .. and there is simply no financial means to do both ..

[bar]

Quote: lonely

Leadership is faced with a choice: either to strengthen the defense against the threat of external dangers, or to raise the standard of living of its own population.

...and shit the country in exchange for lace panties. The choice is really difficult. But I think the ayatollahs will cope with the situation.

[alone]

Quote: bar

But I think the ayatollahs will cope with the situation

At least they are the cause of at least those internal problems that Iran has .. They decided to defeat the drought with a collective Friday prayer in mosques .. And this is not a joke at all, but a reality

[bar]

At least they are the cause of at least those internal problems that Iran has ..

Strange, but it seemed to me that the cause of Iran's problems was the American blockade of a country that did not want to become their bedding.

[alone]

Quote: bar

Strange, but it seemed to me that the cause of Iran's problems was the American blockade of a country that did not want to become their bedding.

After all, it was not the Americans who came up with the drought ... but I will briefly explain how it began.
The ayatollahs decided to transfer water from the western regions to the desert eastern and central provinces through water channels. the lack of products, which was their own .. Well, for the sake of objectivity, the USA is certainly evil, but here they are not involved at all .. it’s only their own stupidity to blame

[bar]

Quote: lonely

After all, the Americans did not invent the drought.

And it was the Americans who came up with the blockade of Iran. Everything else is like in the old joke - "and then we got poisoned by a cookie ...".
By the way, Putin's talks with Iranian President Ibrahim Raisi in Moscow next week have been announced. So the campaign of the American edition hit the sky with a finger.

[ycuce234-san]

They may have used the backward reclamation technologies of the 1940-50 model: they decided that they would manage on their own, and their agricultural science and hydraulic engineering science during the sanctions degraded much deeper than the defense industry.
On the other hand, this is a window of opportunity for the agricultural specialists of the Russian Federation - neither the Europeans, nor the Americans, nor the Israelis and the Chinese will correct their mistakes (the consequences there will now be cyclical, seasonal). There is an opportunity for hydroconstructors and specialized agricultural research institutes of the Russian Federation to receive foreign funding of such proportions, which usually happens only in defense sectors.

[tralflot1832]

Iran will buy Russian weapons with Chinese money? What China allows, they will buy.

[Alex777]

What's with the Chinese money? Aircraft to Iran, oil to Egypt. Everything.

[tralflot1832]

And Egypt buys Iranian oil bypassing all cardons. I saw that China and India are having fun with oil in Iran. And let Israel supply gas to Egypt for liquefaction.

[Wedmak]

And now let's take this weighty noodles off our ears and tell the truth: Iran will not make a deal for fear of falling under Washington's sanctions. Which threatens them all and everyone who wants to buy Russian weapons.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Wedmak

Iran will not make a deal for fear of falling under Washington sanctions

How, more sanctions?
Iran is already under all the sanctions that only the Americans could come up with.

[bar]

Thus, the probability of a deal between Russia and Iran for the purchase of S-400 air defense systems and Su-35 fighters for $10 billion remains extremely low, the author concludes.

There will be a low probability if the US accepts our "ultimatum". And since the likelihood of this is even lower, the sale of weapons to Iran is just very likely. What can prevent two "rogue states" from trading with each other?

[1Alexey]

Quote: bar

What can prevent two "rogue states" from trading with each other?

Neither Iran nor even Russia are rogue states!

We can trade with each other, other countries really can not interfere.

[bar]

Quote: 1Alexey

Neither Iran nor even Russia are rogue states!

Hello. And with what fright then Iran, like the DPRK, ended up in a blockade? And Iran also has its brushes frozen.
Yes, Russia is not yet officially a pariah. But how do you know how the negotiations will end. And whether they will introduce another sanctions with a disconnect from the swift. Then we will also find ourselves in the position of Iran, so to speak, friends in misfortune. And if you are friends, then you have to be friends. Vaughn and the President of Iran is already on his way to Putin for negotiations.

[Mavrikiy]

The American edition called the likelihood of a major deal for the purchase of Russian weapons by Iran extremely low

None of your fucking business. They want to buy, we want to sell. We won't ask you.

[Living7111972]

For a billion vigorous louse will be sold, sanctions are sanctions

[bar]

The American edition may already be breathing out, Putin's meeting with his Iranian counterpart Ibrahim Raisi in Moscow next week has been announced.

[Denis812]

I didn't really understand...
The author says that Iran wants to buy air defense, fighter jets and repair some of the weapons.
The author says that Iran will pay 10 billion dollars for this. And the payment will be oil.
A paragraph later, the author says that this weapon is not worth 10 billion, but is worth 5.
Well OK, Iran will pay 5.

Why, due to the fact that the author cannot agree with himself, Iran cannot buy weapons from the Russian Federation?

And as for the fact that Iran cannot pay off with Russia with oil - it's all nonsense.
Russia sells oil to anyone, and getting five billion worth of oil is quite normal. We have a lot of clients. And the fact that it does not have to be dragged from Siberia, but can be shipped in the Persian Gulf, for example, to China - why not? Minus the cost of logistics.

[Diverter]

An American writes about things he doesn't know himself. Everyone already knows that Iran will "take away" Su-35s intended for the Egyptians. The planes are ready and can be seen on the Google map. Persians will supply oil to Egypt. The Egyptians paid us with money. A delta of 5 yards is rather an extremely low price for barter oil, and a plus is rather a large amount of ammunition for both old aircraft and new Su 35. Or for some kind of Iskander, just not the whole list is announced

[SlavaP]

I am not an expert in the performance characteristics of these types of weapons, but in my opinion, Iran's first priority is to cover its nuclear centers from Israel, which is likely to attack them soon. And stepping on the callus of the Americans in the Strait of Hormuz is already the direction of a further offensive. And so they will now ask for what will more effectively complete the first task.

[1Alexey]

Quote: SlavaP

I am not an expert in the performance characteristics of these types of weapons, but in my opinion, Iran's first priority is to cover its nuclear centers from Israel, which is likely to attack them soon. And stepping on the callus of the Americans in the Strait of Hormuz is already the direction of a further offensive. And so they will now ask for what will more effectively complete the first task.

I completely agree with you, which is probably why the choice fell on fighters and air defense systems.

But I believe that the author of the article was mistaken and it is most likely not about 2 S-400 batteries, but about 2 divisions, i.e. about the S-400 regiment (especially since the S-400 is, in general, the regimental system).

[Sling of David]

“The wall will not help if the player Pavel Yakovenko has the ball”
No S-400 and SU-35 will help to cover Iranian nuclear facilities.

[Lara Croft]

Iran, like the Russian Federation, owes us "dough" a lot for the construction of a nuclear power plant ...
After all, there will again be dolts from Rosoboronexport and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation who will drink our V and VT on credit to Iran, and then announce this deal of the century .... having received state bonuses on behalf of those who will compensate for damages for non-refundable, interest-free and non-repayable loans .. ...

[Azimuth]

Iran will not buy Su-35. It has strong relations with China, signed a long-term agreement, China is one of the main buyers of Iranian oil.
In addition, several countries have already abandoned our fighter, the reason is quite ordinary, having excellent flight characteristics and exceptional maneuverability for an advanced 4th generation aircraft, it has avionics, avionics significantly inferior to its counterparts.
Computer simulation of battles and training battles with NATO fighters of various versions of the Su-30 became the final nail in the coffin of the 4th generation fighters of the Su-27 family and development.
There is nothing to sin only on sanctions and politics, they were there before, there are things that are quite prosaic. We need to develop microelectronics, have our own processors, and not engage in cheers for patriotism, etc.

[1Alexey]

Quote: Azimuth

Iran will not buy Su-35. It has strong relations with China, signed a long-term agreement, China is one of the main buyers of Iranian oil.
In addition, several countries have already abandoned our fighter, the reason is quite ordinary, having excellent flight characteristics and exceptional maneuverability for an advanced 4th generation aircraft, it has avionics, avionics significantly inferior to its counterparts.

Apparently, this is why China bought Su-35s from us, that they are supposedly very "bad" ?!

And how could, interestingly, China justify the demand for Iran not to buy our Su-35s, after having bought them itself.

[riwas]

Iran intends to buy a large batch of weapons from Russia, including the latest Su-35 fighters and the S-400 anti-aircraft system, but the likelihood of a deal looks extremely low, writes the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch.

Gives wishful thinking. In the current conditions, in which the United States has placed Russia, the question rests only on the solvency of Iran.

[Azimuth]

Quote: 1Alexey

Quote: Azimuth

Iran will not buy Su-35. It has strong relations with China, signed a long-term agreement, China is one of the main buyers of Iranian oil.
In addition, several countries have already abandoned our fighter, the reason is quite ordinary, having excellent flight characteristics and exceptional maneuverability for an advanced 4th generation aircraft, it has avionics, avionics significantly inferior to its counterparts.

Apparently, this is why China bought Su-35s from us, that they are supposedly very "bad" ?!

And how could, interestingly, China justify the demand for Iran not to buy our Su-35s, after having bought them itself.

We must always remember that China is copy machine, copier. I don’t know what you think when you write something like this or miners, but since you learned how to write and can use a PC, you should be aware of what TOTAL 24 Su-35 units for the Chinese Air Force against the background of their numbers, it's not about Iran or Armenia, is it?...

Su-35s were bought because of thrust vectoring engines and a number of other nodes for study and COPYING.
That is why there was a bargaining around the number of purchased Su-35s, in fact, our "effective managers" were bargaining about the price for which we are ready to give in to China also these technologies.
The result of this transaction on video:


And the overall result - China is already completing work on the third stealth fighter, this time in the deck version, I will not say anything about our only one. It is moving away from dependence in the supply of our aircraft engines of the AL family. And finally, the hero in the video, the J-10 fighter has been brought to the level of the latest modifications of Western fighters and is at least not inferior to those of the F-16, and gradually became the most numerous modern PLA Air Force fighter.

Here you have the Su-35 ... we are already being overtaken by everyone and sundry while we are clever.

[Wolf]

The difference between the SU35S and MiG35 is the most important in terms of range, with the SU 35S, Iran can safely fly to Tel Aviv and keep almost the weight of the BV at gunpoint. This comedy in Egypt where the allegedly Rafal drowned out the SU35 C and won the fight, only for deb .... catches. SU35S can easily deal with F35 and EASY, and with F22 on level ground. They don’t think that they can carry more different weapons than F35 and F22 in place. For Iran, the purchase of the SU35S would be what it takes to dominate the BV.
Taking into account the trinity geopolitical situation, this would bring a balance of power in the BV with NATO and even an advantage, and NATO zlochintsy understand only such a language of POWER and dominance.

[Vissarion Golubov]

And what about the guys who run a race with Iran when he is going to our Voentorg, will they not come before him? Weird...

[zloybond]

It's just that this is such a way of information probing - all of a sudden, somewhere in the comments or in articles, someone accidentally drops missing information about what else Russia will sell to Iran there.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: lucul

Arms deliveries to Iran are directly correlated with our obedience to the Zionists.

Exactly!
Well, if one of the government ministers has grandchildren and a daughter who are Israeli citizens, what will he choose, the benefit for Russia (the sale of weapons to Iran) or the well-being of Israeli relatives?