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Ukrainian tank protection systems want to use in NATO

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The other day, the plant to them. Malysheva manufactured and shipped four to the USA tank T-80UD. According to Defense Express, a representative of the Ukrainian tank building industry, armored vehicles have different equipment and protection systems. In particular, three tanks are equipped with the latest Ukrainian development - a complex of built-in dynamic protection with “Knife” modules, which makes it possible to defend against all types of anti-tank weapons, including the most formidable - armor-piercing projectile. One tank was shipped to the United States “naked” - without dynamic protection.



Negotiations on the purchase by the US military of Ukrainian tanks have been under way for more than two years. For the first time, the possibility of the acquisition by the United States of Ukrainian heavy armored vehicles became known in March 2011. After negotiations in Washington, former Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksandr Kuzmuk with the then head of the US defense department, the press service of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said that William Cohen had expressed interest in acquiring some samples of Ukrainian armored vehicles. technology. New tanks are located both in the Armed Forces of the country, and can be quickly released by the Kharkiv Plant. Malysheva, who has the right to independent trade weapons. However, the then CEO of the company, Grigori Maliuk, was biased towards the American proposals. He, in particular, said that Americans are purchasing two or three copies of expensive equipment in various countries of the world to work out means of destruction. The director rejected the proposal to put the tanks as targets. “We are poor but proud, and for the time being we are not going to it. Because we believe that this is a matter of prestige, and in addition, it is possible that certain properties of the machine will be disclosed, ”G. Maluk emphasized.

After that, there was a lull. True, at the end of 2011 in the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport they began to believe that the sale of Ukrainian tanks to the United States would in no way harm Ukraine’s defense capability. On the contrary, experts are confident that testing Ukrainian cars in the conditions of using military weapons will demonstrate the high potential of the national school of armored vehicles. And open up some new markets. After all, the recognition of weapons is possible either after it is “run in” by a real war, or as a result of a real comparison with similar weapons. The fact of the sale of tanks, according to a number of military experts, indicates the confidence of Ukrainian developers that the machines will withstand the stated characteristics. In addition, in modified versions, this tank also participated in tenders for the rearmament of the armies of Greece, Turkey and Malaysia.

13 in May 2012 at a briefing in the press service of the Ministry of Defense, the head of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Alexander Stetsenko confirmed that, since last year, the American company has been negotiating with the Kharkiv Plant. Malysheva on the purchase of ten tanks T-80. At the same time, he noted that there is no objection from the Ukrainian defense ministry regarding this purchase. While in the United States, the State Secretary of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine on international cooperation, Colonel-General Viktor Banny said that the Kharkov Tank-Building Plant is ready to implement such a contract.

In June, 2012 representatives of Ukraine and the United States decided on which tanks and at what price will be produced in Kharkov. As told by Defense-Express, an informed source close to the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine, it was about the release of new Ukrainian tanks of various modifications.

Now, when the supply of tanks in the United States still took place, we can draw some conclusions.

Firstly, Ukrainian tanks can be used at American ranges for training combat operations against a conventional enemy. In the USA, there are two ranges where such activities are practiced. However, one can hardly say that Americans are interested in how to improve the ammunition for the defeat of the Ukrainian T-80UD tank. Similar armor was used in the production of T-72, which from 1979 under license began to be manufactured in Poland, and then in Yugoslavia (under the trademark M-84), Czechoslovakia, India and Iraq. Therefore, these US tanks could get in the former states of the Soviet bloc or in the same Iraq.

But, judging by the complete set of tanks installed in the US, it can be assumed that the US military is not at all interested in how to penetrate the armor of Soviet tanks and thus manufacture a new ammunition. Many experts are confident that the US is interested in a new Ukrainian development - the Knife series of dynamic protection. Considering that three out of four vehicles are equipped with this protection, the US military wants to see firsthand the difference in how a protected tank behaves compared to an unprotected one. If the Ukrainian defense "Knife" is as good as its designers say, then it is possible that the US will buy it to protect its tanks, and in the future, perhaps for armored personnel carriers. After all, the war in Iraq showed the vulnerability of American tanks, which were considered the most impenetrable in the world. 28 August A projectile of unknown origin struck on one side of the 100-mm armor of the 69-ton tank, went through the gunner’s seat, and went into the opposite direction on the 50 mm. In addition, the turret control system was damaged, due to which the tank was disabled. At the beginning of the Iraq war, one tank was also damaged by an RPG-7 grenade launcher. Judging by the nature of the damage, which was published in the American newspaper Defense News, 28 August, an American tank also became a victim of a projectile fired from an RPG-7 grenade launcher.

For Ukrainian developers, the benefit of the deal is also obvious. She is by no means financial. The fact of buying and analyzing the development will certainly serve as a good advertisement for Ukrainian technology. The chief designer of the Basic Center for Critical Technologies "Microtech", Professor Vasily Khitrik claims that the complex of built-in dynamic protection with the Knife modules helps protect against all types of anti-tank weapons, primarily armor-piercing, which none of the previous protection does. “Moreover, the defense will withstand a Soviet and NATO armor-piercing sabot with 100 meters. This is the only defense that allows you to protect yourself from shock nuclei, ”he stressed. According to him, the basis of this protection are cumulative knives, which in one box can be up to seven units. When a projectile gets into the box, they trigger and tear the ammunition into pieces. Protection is effective against both Soviet and Western ammunition.

Today, in the world, only the Israeli tank Merkava is equipped with the dynamic defense of the old Soviet type, the French are only preparing to install the dynamic protection on the Leclerc tank. As V. Khitrik noted, the Russian research institutes have become five years behind Ukrainian developers in creating a new type of protection.

Therefore, Ukraine turned out to be in fact the only country in the world that possesses a new unique defense, which, moreover, has already been adopted. In addition, an active defense called “Barrier” is being developed in the country, to which the United States is also showing interest.

The interest of Americans in defense is explained not only by the intention to increase the reliability of their impenetrable tanks. It is known that the United States began work on creating more promising tanks of the future, the main characteristics of which are increased mobility and firepower. These machines should become lighter, which means they should have a thinner armor. And since it is necessary to fight on the battlefield, obviously, with real tanks, these promising tanks need a new defense that will not make them heavier. Such a solution could be dynamic and active protection offered by Ukrainian developers.

The question now is only that the specifications declared by the Ukrainian designers be confirmed at the American test sites. For Ukraine, such a deal could be a confirmation that in the world it is Ukrainian tanks that remain among the most popular.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 21 September 2012 06: 25
    +26
    Bought to study protection. Then they will give out for their development, only under a different name, and they will also patent and force Ukraine to pay for using the idea.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 21 September 2012 07: 39
      +12
      Hare kicking ov! We, too, the Chinese sold a lot of single samples of equipment to open new markets. As a result, the copier country copied everything, strengthened its army, and even sells these developments as its own all over the world! So - at the very stigma in the gun!
      1. Averias
        Averias 21 September 2012 11: 39
        +2
        Nothing to say, you are absolutely right.
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 21 September 2012 08: 23
      -4
      cool, ukrointsy again announced a change, but not for the first time laughing
      Americans are silent
      1. spender
        spender 21 September 2012 09: 28
        +4
        The usual world practice when a small batch of equipment is purchased for testing, let us recall how Russia recently purchased Italian wheeled tanks, also of the same model with different weapons. If the Ukrainians were able to develop a good protection, then I will be happy for them if they can bring its sale to the international market. It is profitable and prestigious to trade in high-tech products, and you should not consider them dumber than yourself, all know-how is probably patented, and the amers are not Chinese and "vnaglyak" will not steal and pass off as their own: they will value their authority. hi
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 September 2012 09: 36
          +5
          Authority???? Who??? Do Americans ??? Don’t tell my sneakers ... They say one thing, do another!
        2. Kars
          Kars 21 September 2012 11: 32
          +2
          Strange news
          Negotiations on the purchase by the US military of a batch of Ukrainian tanks have been ongoing for more than two years. For the first time, the possibility of the acquisition by the United States of Ukrainian heavy armored vehicles became known in March 2011.


          From the site of Tarasov
          Photo of T-80UD tanks delivered to the USA in 2003-2004 to the US Army Training, Modeling and Training Administration. Tanks are equipped with modules of dynamic protection and KAZ.


          The article itself is also distinguished by professionalism.
          On August 28, a shell of unknown origin pierced on one side the 100-mm armor of a 69-ton tank, passed through the gunner’s chair, his body and went deeper by 50 mm in the opposite direction. In addition, the tower control system was damaged, due to which the tank was disabled. At the beginning of the war in Iraq, one tank was also damaged by an RPG-7 grenade launcher.

          The tank’s mass is incorrect, and Abrams doesn’t have armor exactly 100 mm thick, it’s also for some reason how much the ammunition deepened in the opposite direction, but there is no indication of which projection has been pierced.

          Therefore, Ukraine turned out to be virtually the only country in the world that has new unique protection, which, moreover, has already been adopted. In addition, an active defense called the Barrier is being developed in the country, to which the US is also showing interest.


          The screening has already been developed, so the reference to 2011 is simply incomprehensible.
          So draw conclusions.
          And we should talk about KAZ Drozd
  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 21 September 2012 06: 38
    +1
    I agree with the comment above)
  3. Leisure
    Leisure 21 September 2012 06: 41
    +3
    Holy simplicity. They will shoot at the tanks and come up with a new means of overcoming the defense. The Chinese also buy 5 planes from us, apparently for advertising Russian weapons.
    They say that Pakistan has Ukrainian tanks. So soon in India, a worthy means of defeating him will appear.
  4. edge
    edge 21 September 2012 06: 42
    +2
    the latest models of military equipment have always stolen from each other, but here you don’t need to steal either; they themselves give for candy wrappers ........
    1. Averias
      Averias 21 September 2012 11: 44
      0
      The logic here is simple, why think for yourself and invest money in development. Easier to buy, disassemble and copy. And after assembly, handle the file :)). Although there, AK copies and stamps a bunch of countries, A reliable only ours. So it is with serious equipment. It's one thing to copy, and the second is to make it work the same. Remember when the United States bought a rocket engine (space) from us, we tested it - ofigeli, took it apart - ofigeli even more, all their scientists and engineers unanimously shouted that it could not work, but it damn works. And copy failed.
      1. alexng
        alexng 21 September 2012 21: 02
        0
        It, like Kamov’s helicopters, should not fly with such a design, and they, such a dog, fly. And they don’t fly badly. And nobody can copy.
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 April 7 2018 21: 12
          0
          Or German cars, so many times already in the Russian Federation they were disassembled and assembled, but they cannot do the same)))
  5. Konrad
    Konrad 21 September 2012 06: 52
    +2
    If purchased, then a worthwhile thing.
    1. Esso
      Esso 21 September 2012 09: 53
      -4
      After that there was a lull. True, at the end of 2011, the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport began to believe that the sale of Ukrainian US tanks would not harm the defense capabilities of Ukraine. On the contrary, experts are confident that testing Ukrainian vehicles in the context of the use of military weapons will demonstrate the high capabilities of the national school of armored vehicles. And open up some new markets.
      They are naive, stupid, they will sell everything clean, soon there will be nothing to sell, and some people will blame Russia for everything. And when in Ukraine everything is over, she will run to Russia, they say help.
      The Americans will copy it. And they will leave Ukraine with their noses! And then they will sell their defense themselves! And Russia had to put pressure and say they say sell the USA, we will not sell something to you!
      As noted by V. Khitrik, the Russian research institutes have become five years behind the Ukrainian developers in creating a new type of protection.
      Stupid PR. He actually visited, saw what is being developed and what is being created. I think not.
  6. Alex 241
    Alex 241 21 September 2012 06: 56
    +6
    pg7-vm, a shell of unknown origin. else the aliens would have written shelling.
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 21 September 2012 07: 14
    +3
    so what is competition, a free market, everyone trades what he has
  8. Alex 241
    Alex 241 21 September 2012 07: 18
    0
    I think everything will be limited to this purchase. They will figure out the principle of protection, modify it if necessary, call them KNIVES OF OBAMA.
  9. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 21 September 2012 07: 23
    +8
    Malyshev's plant must survive. The Ukrainian authorities do not need such tanks in the army (like the army itself), gold toilet bowls are more interested. Nothing prevents Russia from acquiring these technologies or finished products. All countries are closely monitoring other arms sales and at the same time trade themselves if there is a buyer.
    It is a pity that Ukraine does not need the products of the Malyshev plant, and Russia has close cooperation in the field of armaments. Gurt and uncle legche life.
    1. Leisure
      Leisure 21 September 2012 07: 27
      +4
      How can one cooperate if Ukrainian secrets are already in America? Why do we need such protection that everyone knows about?
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 21 September 2012 08: 13
        +1
        Protection in order to protect. And if it is effective, then there is no place to put forward ambitions instead of it, to stick out pride. They will not protect.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 21 September 2012 09: 41
          +3
          Cons confirm that it is not the mind that dominates, but ambition. The state is ruled not by the people, but by ambitious and greedy "self-lovers" who have broken into power. What we have, what you have. And NOTHING DEPENDS on the people at this stage of the existence of states. You are not satisfied with the policy of our government, we are yours. But the people for the most part, we are one. The roots are so intertwined that no one has the right to say you crest, and I am Russian. Even a grandmother in a remote village is not always sure with whom her great-grandmother sinned, if multi-colored hair, multi-colored eyes went into the family. While the states are different, but the people, in the bulk, are one. We must understand this. While we share and gnaw, the Gentiles create a powerful fifth column. If you tried to go down the ladder with a Bible in hand in Saudi Arabia. There, the first officer goes out to remove the draft of the ship, accompanied by an agent and a policeman, and the Slavs are strictly prohibited from entering the city. We need to stick together, or else over our capitals there will be not Orthodox crosses but crescents.
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 21 September 2012 08: 26
      +4
      What is the point of maintaining a close cooperation with Ukraine? What would she later sell all the development to Uncle Sam? Or what would supply arms to Georgia? Our shit, the same snout down. Our leaders in the letter P (Gorbachev, Yeltsin) handed over and sold so many designs that the American design bureau worked for the adaptation of technologies for 20 years, but at least for today no one has any illusions about the friendliness of the ASP in relation to the whole Slavic world. In Ukraine, unfortunately, they still have not decided where friends are enemies. But nobody managed to eat the fish and save the family hearth. Recently, there have been many historical examples - Iraq, Libya.
      1. afire
        afire 21 September 2012 08: 40
        +1
        Thus, Ukrainian. the leadership put a bullet in the plans for further cooperation with Russia in the latest weapons systems, there is no faith, but there are not many secrets in modernizing something ours, or there are none at all. sadly, I was upset with such a spit
        1. elenasvetlova
          elenasvetlova 21 September 2012 08: 43
          +1
          how so possible! this is called a betrayal of friendship, did not expect
  10. Alex 241
    Alex 241 21 September 2012 07: 29
    +3
    Yes, it’s not a matter of defense, we ourselves can’t decide which tank we need, as a result we get another modification of the T-72.
  11. zelenchenkov.petr1
    zelenchenkov.petr1 21 September 2012 07: 29
    -5
    How long they walked, 25-30 years ago, in the Chuguev tank botalon, this tank began its WAY! Long, longooooooo .... guys from the Malyshev factory !!!
  12. John from the USA
    John from the USA 21 September 2012 07: 42
    0
    If the Ukrainian Knife defense is as good as its designers declare, it is possible that the United States will purchase it to protect its tanks, and in the future, possibly for armored personnel carriers.

    I almost fell off the chair.
    Yes, the US military industrial lobby and a cannon shot will not let the Ukrainian military-industrial complex enter the NATO arms market.

    On August 28, a shell of unknown origin pierced on one side the 100-mm armor of a 69-ton tank, passed through the gunner’s chair, his body and went deeper by 50 mm in the opposite direction.

    Probably our specialists from SVR tried.

    In addition, an active defense called the Barrier is being developed in the country, to which the US is also showing interest.

    Write is gone, pay for the prototype, steal ideas and make in new tanks.
  13. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 September 2012 08: 38
    +2
    Pure espionage ........ an assessment of the combat effectiveness of Slavic tanks is very necessary to develop the correct doctrine for the fight against the armored forces of Russia! Plus, they themselves will copy the most useful and pass it off as their development. Now the "brain drain" in the United States has decreased, and American designers cannot come up with anything worthwhile in terms of protecting tanks, so they want to buy to copy. It should not be allowed that developments of this type end up in the hands of a potential adversary !!!!
  14. carver
    carver 21 September 2012 08: 49
    0
    Nda sovetsky reserve continues to be sold to the west
  15. understudy
    understudy 21 September 2012 09: 00
    0
    An ambivalent feeling from information ... On the one hand, one can rejoice for our smaller brothers, albeit unreasonable. On the other hand ... they "made friends" with amers, in fact, opposite us. This is not at all about theft and the possible appropriation of ideas. Upon the sale of tanks, Ukraine actually took part in creating reliable protection for the tanks of our potential enemy.
    However, one more little thought is stirring ... and can this be a "bookmark" from our side, a kind of surprise for the Yankees, which will appear at the right time and in the right place? feel
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 September 2012 09: 06
      +1
      It is unlikely that the bookmark ... the Americans are not fools either, they’ll take apart ....
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 September 2012 09: 05
    +1
    Yes, yes .. for the Americans it will be a way out, to buy 4 tanks, disassemble one, shoot the rest. It looks like the American KB decided to follow the path of the Chinese. We promptly change the appearance, paint, sculpt the "Made in yusa" nameplate and here is a new invention!
    But for Ukraine, which does not take care of its latest developments, this will be the final collapse of the military-industrial complex ....
  17. Ataturk
    Ataturk 21 September 2012 09: 09
    +1
    So much for the Slavic brotherhood. Hmm. I just don’t understand one thing: the more Ukraine sells, the poorer it gets.
  18. awg75
    awg75 21 September 2012 09: 10
    +1
    so ask the question, is it worth cooperating with Ukraine in the military field and for how many silversmiths and green cards will all joint developments end up with the enemy? As one hero from the movie "Garage" said - "to betray it in time, not to betray it, to foresee it" --- in my opinion, this became the slogan of our so-called "fraternal republics". Russia should rely only on itself. Glory to Russia!
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 21 September 2012 09: 42
      +2
      Why didn’t the Russian Federation buy a pair of samples? Could cooperate with us, then the United States would not have to sell.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 September 2012 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: Tirpitz
        Why didn’t the Russian Federation buy a pair of samples? Could cooperate with us, then the United States would not have to sell.


        And who suggested. specifically. when where. and who was rejected.

        And what if you bought, yours would not sell to amers? Tirpitz sold me a drum and sold, let them test first, and then we will look at the fruits of close cooperation.
  19. vorobey
    vorobey 21 September 2012 09: 12
    +4
    I will omit the words about the Ukrainian defense industry. It comes back to all of us. I would like the end ogreb more for such things, but it turns out again equally. I want to listen to the guardians of the Abrash, this invulnerable mythological American hero.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 September 2012 09: 19
      +1
      So they don’t want to cling to the defense, but some even more mythological promising tank.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 September 2012 09: 44
        +2
        Yes, to hell that they cling there or will buy. There is no money, but it's easy to take care of yours in the development and implementation of even an improved copy. So Ukrainians will not clap their hands for long.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 September 2012 09: 48
          0
          They will print money. Not the first time. But if they will make a promising tank, as well as F-22 and F-35 .... I will keep figs for them, so as not to jinx it!
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 21 September 2012 09: 56
      +3
      Sparrow, I only wrote yesterday how in the 90's they sold the C-300 system to amers, my mother worked at that factory. To complete one system, the details were removed from several. The workers nearly cried. But they thought they would at least get their salary in a few months. X .. there, all the money in Moscow remained. So traitors must be pressed not only in Ukraine.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 September 2012 10: 16
        +5
        Quote: sergey32
        So traitors must be pressed not only in Ukraine.


        Have I ever said a word against? If we slowly squeeze our then in Ukraine is not yet visible. At first, I bison China, now protection in the states.

        you speak in the 90s, and since then a lot of water has flowed. I also remember something out of 90.
        only there is a difference between the 90s and 2012. Ukraine is being rolled around and only promised, but we are not principled with Russia. Suddenly, they grind their independence.

        I repeat. will clap their hands for a short while. like with bison.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 21 September 2012 10: 42
          +3
          Yes, get the hang of it

          Quote: vorobey
          I repeat. will clap their hands for a short while. like with bison.
      2. yanus
        yanus 21 September 2012 10: 41
        +1
        Quote: sergey32
        Sparrow, I only wrote yesterday how in the 90's they sold the C-300 system to amers, my mother worked at that factory. To complete one system, the details were removed from several. The workers nearly cried. But they thought they would at least get their salary in a few months. X .. there, all the money in Moscow remained. So traitors must be pressed not only in Ukraine.

        One BUT, the Americans didn’t get the whole system, only some elements ..
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 21 September 2012 18: 07
          0
          yanus,
          They were not going to take the whole system, they took only what they needed, the CIA also saved money.
          1. Kars
            Kars 21 September 2012 18: 13
            0
            Quote: sergey32
            CIA also saved money



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  20. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 September 2012 09: 44
    +2
    It is a well-known practice to buy the equipment of a potential enemy and test your weapons on it. It is outrageous that this is being done so explicitly and brazenly! Americans will never sell their equipment, especially with advanced systems ...
  21. xmike
    xmike 21 September 2012 09: 48
    0
    hoh la REVEAL!
    Is there enough money from 4 tanks to betray the homeland ?!
    1. sergey69
      sergey69 21 September 2012 09: 59
      +2
      just as in the nineties they sold single secret samples to NATO countries - (T-80, BMP-3, MSTA), this is normal, but we cannot. Especially since it is a technique made back in the Union. Now new models of equipment have been developed and launched. And Amer will want to get these tanks in other countries. They are exported well.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 September 2012 10: 03
        +1
        In 90 everyone was shitty. And to you, and to us, and to all the rest of the former Soviet Union. But now it’s kind of like someone is climbing out of that pit, while someone is trying to climb back in there.
        I just don’t understand: are Ukraine really believed and trusted in Americans ??? While almost the rest of the world already strongly doubts their words. Even NATO countries are whispering.
      2. ShturmKGB
        ShturmKGB 21 September 2012 10: 17
        +1
        The article says that they are only interested in the new dynamic protection "Knife" hung, yes, on the old technique, which they studied for a long time ...
  22. sergey69
    sergey69 21 September 2012 10: 06
    0
    This is normal world practice. Recently, you have also been purchasing single samples for testing and adopting: Volvo Cars, Iveco, MANs, armored personnel carriers different, ships, helicopters. So Amer will fire, they’ll check, maybe they’ll buy some banana country, as was the case with BTR-4 and MI-8 helicopters. To the same Aganestan. Well bought from us BTR-4 for Iraq.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 September 2012 10: 16
      +1
      It's one thing to buy cars that, in fact, if they break, then hell would be with them. Or barges with SU. (By the way, I didn’t hear something that we would buy helicopters ... and armored personnel carriers too.) It’s as if it’s like ours, but it takes a long time to build and finish. Those. sellers of these goods may well guarantee that they will not be used against them or their use is impossible.

      Another, when the latest armor for a tank is sold, along with the tank. And to the probable enemy. And here it is completely against your own tanks, they will develop means of destruction. And the fact that they will buy it or copy it ... I thought ... it really is unlikely.
      1. sergey69
        sergey69 21 September 2012 11: 15
        0
        Five light cargo-passenger helicopters of one of the European companies entered the Russian Air Force for trial operation. "This aircraft will be used to carry out transport and special tasks in the interests of the military department. During its operation, it is planned to assess the possibility of using these helicopters in the training of young aviation specialists for the needs of the Russian Air Force," -. It notes that after arriving in Russia, French aviation specialists will begin training the flight personnel of the aviation unit, and then, if necessary, training of engineering and technical personnel will be organized abroad. "All the vehicles that have entered the use of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are currently designed in accordance with the norms of Russian legislation, and they have been assigned state registration numbers," the message says. According to the RF Ministry of Defense, the helicopters are assigned to the Chkalovskaya air base, where training is organized for the flight and engineering personnel of the aviation unit for their operation. "The experience of operating foreign aviation equipment at the Chkalovsky airfield will be used by Russian research and production enterprises for practical acquaintance with the proven foreign technologies in the field of helicopter construction," the message says. Earlier, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax-AVN that five Eurocopter helicopters were delivered to Russia for testing, and the Russian Defense Ministry plans to purchase about 50 such machines. "Five helicopters of the Eurocopter concern entered the tests - two twin-engine AS355NP and three single-engine AS350B3"
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 September 2012 11: 21
          0
          Did not know. It is very strange of course, in the presence of Ansat, Ka-226, etc.
    2. Sergh
      Sergh 21 September 2012 10: 45
      0
      Quote: sergey69
      MI-8. To the same Aganestan. Well bought from us BTR-4 for Iraq

      Yes Yes! Amer in Afghanistan on turntables themselves fly and on armored personnel carriers they don’t trust anyone either, but take in large or medium batches under an agreement in which it is written with black paste that they cannot be disassembled, not resold, screws cannot be twisted without permission from Uncle Vasya (video surveillance is in progress) etc.
      Here is the director of the tagdash, Grigory Malyuk, immediately cleared the amers and warned everyone loudly, but you see, he shouldn't have said that, that's why the "then", but honest, remained for today.
      Yes, but the amers will not make an advertisement for you anyway, after the shooting, they will say: "Ukrainian tanks and their armor are being shot through with an M-16 rifle from a distance of 5 (five) km with a complete tearing off of the tower!" refutation, they on this occasion make up all sorts of advertising clips, but such that in life we ​​will wrap around together. In short, it will be more fun MOVIE AND GERMAN!
      Actually, sometimes you need to think with your head too. If we were stupidly burned in the Chinese (right now, the figs showed), then this is for you as an example.
      1. sergey69
        sergey69 21 September 2012 11: 31
        +1
        By the way, the article either makes a mistake or is this the second delivery of T-80UD tanks to the USA. Photo of T-80UD tanks delivered to the USA in 2003-2004 to the US Army Training, Modeling and Training Administration. Tanks are equipped with modules of dynamic protection and KAZ.
        Tanks are equipped with tracks with asphalt shoes, KOEP is not installed. The smoke grenade launch system is installed in front of the tower.

        A modernized Drozd active protection system is installed on the sides of the tower.

        Tanks are based at the Aberdeen Training Center, pc. Maryland via PEO STRI
  23. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 21 September 2012 11: 17
    +2
    Now, if the Ukrainians “waved without looking”: 10 T-80ud on the 10 Abrams of the newest configuration, but they gave Russia five of these tanks (not for free, of course) ...
    Then it would be an equivalent exchange.
    And so ... I don’t even want to comment, even a drunken hedgehog understands that this is an undermining of the Slavic bloc’s defenses (there’s only one tank school) ...
  24. sergyi
    sergyi 21 September 2012 11: 20
    -1
    What kind of nonsense? This news will soon be 15 years old. Why is it suddenly such an interest in ancient history?
  25. bremest
    bremest 21 September 2012 11: 40
    -3
    Again, sold for cheap ....... This is on a mental level.
  26. Nechai
    Nechai 21 September 2012 11: 54
    +2
    Quote: elenasvetlova
    did not expect

    Nothing personal, just business. COMMERCE ... If we play according to the "gentleman's" rules, then it is May, then it is May ...
  27. mole
    mole 21 September 2012 15: 58
    +1
    Yes, you can’t do that anyway. After all, our shipyards also planned to load Russian ship orders. And now what Ukraine looks like in the eyes of Russia. Putin will say on Yanyk’s next offer to cooperate - FIG. You wipe your designs so you want to fuse ours. Generally sold for two pennies. And the benefits of this, I am sure, will be zero. Nibos still Kiev all the loot rake and plant sew with poppy seeds. Generally sad !!!!!!!!
  28. in reserve
    in reserve 21 September 2012 22: 41
    0
    As noted by V. Khitrik, the Russian research institutes have become five years behind the Ukrainian developers in creating a new type of protection.


    In May, where Russia again ate pretzels of heaven. It would have been a long time since we had already studied or bought the technology, could Ukrainians not sell their brothers, or jointly muddied something.
  29. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 25 September 2012 19: 48
    0
    "Poor but proud"
    well well gentlemen