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The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation proposed to deprive the Russian Guard of the right to control the circulation of weapons

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Of great concern are the recent incidents of armed attacks on educational institutions in Russia, accompanied by human casualties. In this regard, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation proposed to deprive the Russian Guard of the right to control the turnover weapons and ammunition.


Как сообщает RIA News, such a statement was made in an interview with the agency by the chairman of the RF IC, Alexander Bastrykin.

The organization headed by him considers it necessary to transfer control over weapons and ammunition from the hands of the National Guard to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. The proposal of the Investigative Committee already has an official status. It has already begun to be considered at the interdepartmental level.

It was proposed to restore the procedure for the implementation of control functions by the internal affairs bodies over the circulation of weapons and ammunition

- said Bastrykin.

He also considers it important to pay special attention to monitoring the Internet and identifying calls for terrorist and extremist activities there. The head of the Investigative Committee said that the Russian information space needs additional protection measures.

In May 2021, a former student of a gymnasium in Kazan, Ilnaz Galyaviev, opened fire in an educational institution, which killed nine people. In September of the same year, in one of the universities of Perm, Timur Bekmansurov, using firearms, killed six. In both cases, weapons and ammunition were acquired legally. In this regard, it is not entirely clear what the fundamental difference is in which particular ministry or department is involved in controlling the circulation of weapons and ammunition. The main thing is the final result, and so far there are problems with it.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 13 January 2022 09: 06
    +37
    again, the bed began to move-stormy activity.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 13 January 2022 09: 18
      +16
      I agree that the fact that the weapon will be controlled by the district police officer Vasya or the National Guard Zhenya does not change anything. Here other measures are needed, but Bastrykin's ideas are all very tight, as well as in the Investigative Committee itself.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 January 2022 09: 42
        +3
        You don’t have to touch the headman of the group in which he studied ... well, he studied and studied.
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 January 2022 10: 07
          0
          Bastrykin against Zolotov, Kolokoltsev tensed up.
          1. fruc
            fruc 13 January 2022 11: 16
            +6
            ... the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation proposed to deprive the National Guard of the right to control the circulation of weapons and ammunition ......

            LLC "Rosguard" is only the army of the country's watchmen to control just right. bully
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 13 January 2022 09: 56
        +13
        What measures are needed?
        To completely prohibit the possession of any type of weapon, and knives with axes are also a source of danger. Issue licenses for bricks as weapons of limited destruction. The possession of a slingshot equates to a criminal offense of special cynicism.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 13 January 2022 10: 01
          +14
          To increase the staff of the National Guard in connection with the registration of knives, axes, bricks, as well as shovels, choppers and pitchforks. Prohibit choppers with short handles as short-barreled weapons.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 13 January 2022 11: 17
            +3
            Quote: Galleon
            Ban choppers with short handles

            It won't pass! Millions of summer residents against!
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 13 January 2022 17: 13
        +3
        It is necessary - to create a mass shooting organization, such as DOSAAF or the American NSA .. Organize shooting ranges, shooting ranges, training. And everyone with trunks should be obliged to actively participate in this. Let's say at least twice a year - but you must appear at the shooting range. Generally work out this issue. Then - at least the instructors and your colleagues will have the opportunity to look at you how you live, what you breathe. And if something happens - immediately signal. And how can a precinct officer who at best sees you once a year control something? Besides, he is not a psychologist, and he has no idea what is in your head. If we already have a weapon, it means that we need to deal with the culture of weapons in the minds of people. Otherwise, the trunks are sold - and then it will grow on its own like a toadstool in the forest ..
        1. mole
          mole 13 January 2022 18: 11
          0
          An acquaintance works as a driver, never for all the time that I know him, even the suspicion that he was drinking did not arise. Because he really doesn't drink. But on vacation I decided to have a drink. I drank two glasses. Apparently - palenki.
          They took me to the hospital, some guy came, interrogated, wrote down. And he was registered with the diagnosis "alcoholism". Sent the materials to the court. My friend lost the first trial and is waiting for the second. If the second court confirms the "diagnosis" they will be deprived of water. certificates, guns, etc.
          Before the first trial I tried to go to the regional drug dispensary for an independent examination. I arrived, paid 12000 rubles, talked to the "doctor" for five minutes and got an expert's opinion - drunk! and point !!!
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 13 January 2022 18: 18
          +3
          Quote: paul3390
          It is necessary - to create a mass shooting organization, such as DOSAAF or the American NSA .. Organize shooting ranges, shooting ranges, training. And everyone with trunks should be obliged to actively participate in this. Let's say at least twice a year - but you must appear at the shooting range. Generally, to work out this issue. Then - at least the instructors and your colleagues will have the opportunity to look at you, how you live, what you breathe. And if something happens - immediately signal.

          For cities, this may be suitable, but what to do with the outback (villages, villages), where there were no shooting galleries, and the hunt begins already 500 meters from the village. Everything is conditional here and it will never be possible to lead to a single scheme. Excessive tightening of the nuts will lead to the fact that, at best, they will begin to hand over the barrels, and at worst, transfer them to illegal storage.
          Quote: paul3390
          And how can a precinct officer who at best sees you once a year control something? Besides, he is not a psychologist, and he has no idea what is in your head. If we already have a weapon, it means that we need to deal with the culture of weapons in the minds of people. Otherwise, the trunks are sold - and then it will grow on its own like a toadstool in the forest ..
          Here, in principle, it is not so important who is in charge of the control over the circulation of weapons, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Russian Guard, it just so happened that the "heyday of the shooters" fell on the period when this service was in charge of the Russian Guard. One hundred to one, if the Ministry of Internal Affairs still dealt with this issue, then all these cases of shooting fell to the lot of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is necessary to change the very system of issuing permits for the acquisition of weapons, or at least return it to the order that was in the USSR.
          Before joining the hunting community, you first had to get three recommendations from hunters, go with them to the forest for a candidate's experience for a year (albeit often formally), pass an exam (hunting minimum), and only after that you could get a hunting ticket. Those hunters who recommended you for admission into society, in fact, were sureties and were responsible for the fact that you are not a fool. And today, you can stupidly go to the state services, hand over 2 photos, fill out an application form, show your passport and that's it, tryndets, already a "hunter".
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 13 January 2022 19: 54
            0
            Before joining the hunting community, you first had to get three recommendations from hunters, go with them to the forest for a candidate's experience for a year (albeit often formally), pass an exam (hunting minimum), and only after that you could get a hunting ticket.

            Well, here's to you! What if I don't want to hunt? If I just love guns and banging?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 13 January 2022 22: 47
              0
              Quote: paul3390
              Before joining the hunting community, you first had to get three recommendations from hunters, go with them to the forest for a candidate's experience for a year (albeit often formally), pass an exam (hunting minimum), and only after that you could get a hunting ticket.

              Well, here's to you! What if I don't want to hunt? If I just love guns and banging?
              So after all, there are no problems here either. There is a permit to keep weapons, there is a permit. On permission, a marker is placed that with him you can only be in the shooting range, or only for hunting. Like a driver's license - "A", "B" and so on. But in order to obtain permission, either three hunters or three "babachings" must vouch for the applicant, who will also understand their responsibility for the one whom they recommended. The state needs to designate the degree of responsibility of the guarantors (criminal or financial), then the loophole for random "shooters" will be closed at least 95%. I do not think that when understanding their personal responsibility, someone will subscribe to a stranger. It is clear that there is no one hundred percent protection against fools, but all the same, at least some sort of screening can be established.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 14 January 2022 00: 02
                0
                I hope - you understand that these three hunters - will sell their guarantee for money? Are you suggesting more corruption? In this situation, only the rich will have weapons .. And so it’s not cheap ..
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 14 January 2022 00: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  I hope - you understand that these three hunters - will sell their guarantee for money? Are you suggesting more corruption?
                  The morning began on the collective farm belay Damn where the world is heading request
                  Why can't something that really worked be put back into practice? Let's not issue permits for the purchase of weapons at all, but it is better to immediately put them on the bunk just because someone wanted to join the hunt or shoot, so as not to breed corruption and generally eliminate the risk of an accidental shot. What are you leaning towards?
                  When I joined the hunting society in 1990, I did not pay anyone, but three hunters signed up for me without any problems, because they knew me as flaky. Before officially joining society, I spent ten years in the taiga with an illegal woman, but I observed the rules of hunting, behavior in the taiga and handling weapons like our father, because for "wrong behavior", for hunting out of season, for shooting females, it was possible snatch in the face at once from their own peasants, without the participation of rangers or district police officers. It is now that all traditions have been nullified and every body with a barrel imagines itself to be a hunter, and the thicker the wallet and the trickier the barrel, the "cooler" the hunter. There are almost no nails left, all wheelers. From a bibika to an ATV, from an ATV to an ambush, I shot and everything was in the reverse order, an ATV, a bibika.
                  Quote: paul3390
                  In this situation, only the rich will have weapons .. And so it’s not cheap ..
                  Not cheap, I agree. Only the difference between a heaped barrel and a conventional stamping, with the same bullet weight and distance to the beast, differs only in price. That from that trunk you can drop an elk, that from another, with equal success. Well, if the trunks are taken away, then those who need it will take their own without a trunk, only without unnecessary noise and rumble, since the old-fashioned methods have not yet been forgotten. Who will be the loser in this case?
      4. Stepan S
        Stepan S 13 January 2022 18: 56
        0
        from the fact that the weapon will be controlled by the district Vasya or the National Guard Zhenya, nothing changes.

        Changes. Rosgvardets only issues permission, they do not have "Zhenya" to control at the place of residence, who lives there and how and what he breathes. All control by m.zh. carried out by the police, namely the district police officer Vasya.
    2. Far B
      Far B 13 January 2022 09: 34
      +27
      Wait, for the sake of imitation of violent activity, you can rename the police to the police, cut millions of dough ... Oh, what am I?
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 13 January 2022 09: 37
        +13
        Quote: Far In
        Wait, for the sake of imitation of violent activity, you can rename the police to the police, cut millions of dough ... Oh, what am I?

        There, on some chevron signs, you can unscrew more than one yacht-villa.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 January 2022 09: 41
      0
      The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation proposed to deprive the Russian Guard of the right to control the circulation of weapons
      Quote: Aerodrome
      again, the bed began to move-stormy activity.
      They brought more from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      When a structure is created, the question arises: What should it do? And they blame everything on her, proving how necessary she is. And then it turns out that the shots there are not the same (practically from the street) and they are not sharpened in a compass .... request Yes, the services in the Ministry of Internal Affairs are rotten (kickbacks, irresponsibility), but they are already familiar, everything is in lockers, in order ... request
      1. AUL
        AUL 13 January 2022 10: 53
        0
        Well, what's surprising? Is there a problem? The officials reacted and took action! They will make the same notes not in one office, but in a neighboring one. Here is the solution to the problem. You can report on the measures taken!
      2. Stepan S
        Stepan S 13 January 2022 18: 58
        0
        in the Ministry of Internal Affairs the services are rotten

        But it seems to me that everything in health care is more rotten, and in housing and communal services, too, everything is rusty and leaking ..
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 13 January 2022 19: 01
          0
          Quote: Stepan S
          in the Ministry of Internal Affairs the services are rotten

          But it seems to me that everything in health care is more rotten, and in housing and communal services, too, everything is rusty and leaking ..

          Who's arguing? Everything in the Danish kingdom has rotted, but there is hope that not all is lost ... repeat
  2. vervolk
    vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 09
    -13
    correctly and back to transfer the license with zeroing of all ranks!
  3. your1970
    your1970 13 January 2022 09: 15
    +11
    In general, the proposal is wonderful ...
    Some will need to cut their staff, while others will need to add. As usual, this will result in the loss of a certain number of specialists.
    The client's convictions are seen by both.
    The district officer still goes to check the safes / storage - this function has not been removed from them.
    I don't see any advantages from this rotation ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 13 January 2022 09: 57
      +6
      Quote: your1970
      I don't see any advantages from this rotation ...

      Imitation of Rough Activity ...
    2. Moore
      Moore 13 January 2022 10: 10
      +4
      Quote: your1970
      I don't see any advantages from this rotation ...

      I suppose the whole point is that under the control over the circulation of weapons, good babos have been budgeted - 6 yards for the development of their own IT platform to control this very turnover. Plus another 2,5 yards of money for domestic software for all sorts of other needs. And since the proposed system will cover all participants in the creation / purchase / operation of a weapon model (from the manufacturer to the buyer), a very tasty project is coming up ...
    3. bar
      bar 13 January 2022 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: your1970
      I don't see any advantages from this rotation ...

      It's because you're not sitting on those cash flows. And who needs it, they see it. "If the stars are lit, then someone needs it ..." (c)
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 January 2022 11: 07
        -1
        Quote: bar
        This is because you are not sitting on these cash flows.

        Quote: Moore
        a very tasty project is coming up ...

        You both forget - WHO gave an idea ....
        Nothing will break off to the Investigative Committee either with IT technologies or with cash flows INSIDE the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        Well, unless they put a bubble and cover the clearing lol
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 09: 22
    +8
    and what is the actual difference? before the soap exercised control, created the Russian Guard, control was transferred to the awl, now they are again changing the oil for soap. The Russian guards of those who exercised control will be made police officers, the police may be added to the state, the salary will be cut. What's the catch?
    1. spirit
      spirit 13 January 2022 09: 30
      +8
      What's the catch?

      In the grandmas of course) and spheres of influence! These gentlemen are far from giving a damn about schools and shooters, just an excuse. Spiders in the bank are no more hi
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 09: 43
        +2
        Well, like this: "But if annoying lay people put all sorts of rubbish on me ... in this pocket ... and in this pocket ... then they take sin on their souls." (C) laughing
    2. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 31
      -13
      these are trick games. just now, the Investigative Committee publicly took the side of the Ministry of Internal Affairs against the National Guard. And I now even understand why and why. It is interesting that many immediately admit that they do not understand anything about the internal Russian agenda, but they often write about the corrupt elite and that everything was stolen and taken to the west .... now, by the number of minuses, we will immediately find out who is absolutely incompetent on the site in Russian realities!
      1. minus
        minus 13 January 2022 09: 46
        +11
        So explain to us not smart, since you are so literate and understand undercover games. You are apparently close, in the subject. Isn't the * elite * corrupt and rushing to the west ???
      2. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 10: 49
        +1
        Now, by the number of minuses, we will immediately find out who is absolutely incompetent on the site in Russian realities!
        .. Judging by the given marks, only you and one more commentator are competent, laughing and the rest are clearly inadequate smile
      3. AUL
        AUL 13 January 2022 10: 58
        0
        Quote: vervolk
        . Now, by the number of minuses, we will immediately find out who is absolutely incompetent on the site in Russian realities!

        It looks like you went out on yourself ...
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 January 2022 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      .Rosguards of those who exercised control will be made policemen

      The guards will hand over control to the musketeers! De Treville took care... winked
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 10: 46
        +1
        Yes, it will work out .. and then they will create a separate ministry .. wink
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 13 January 2022 11: 03
          0
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          separate ministry ..

          Ministry of "Shilo - Soap" repeat
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 13 January 2022 11: 54
            0
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
            separate ministry ..

            Ministry of "Shilo - Soap" repeat
    4. Vladimir 290
      Vladimir 290 13 January 2022 13: 55
      +3
      now they are asking the Ministry of Internal Affairs for weapons, including the same district police officer, and the guards are in charge of the process. At the same time, it is also necessary to organize interaction between structures that do not obey each other, and often measure themselves in front of each other, who is thicker and who is cooler. Previously, the same licensors on their own could organize the necessary inspections and any other measures they needed, it was enough to go to their immediate superior. It's the same with the other guards. There is no real need to create the National Guard at all, if only according to the "divide and rule" situation. This has already happened with the tax police, drug police, and the migration service. All returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The more bosses and different structures, the worse the interaction and the result of work, but if anything, you can always blame someone else.
  5. Freedim
    Freedim 13 January 2022 09: 44
    -10
    As I understand it, the bulk of the weapons involved in crimes (if it is not stolen) are non-professional weapons (hunting, sports, property protection). Why did no one introduce a banal alarm system for this group (like a bracelet during house arrest). The weapon and the safe are equipped with a device signaling their distance from each other (let's say 20 meters). I went hunting - I registered a trip for a certain time. The signal has been removed. Upon returning the weapon to the safe - automatically back. In case of unauthorized removal of weapons, an "alarm" is triggered ... further on the situation - calls, tracking (if any), departure of the outfit. Yes .. there will be additional costs for maintenance (let the subscriber) and equipment, but human lives are more expensive. The method, of course, is not ideal, but at least somehow it will tie the hands of inadequate, and possibly criminals.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 13 January 2022 10: 05
      +4
      Shotgun with wi-fi? Interesting idea... what
    2. Two
      Two 13 January 2022 10: 27
      0
      It’s easier to invent a personal code for opening fire ... And with the current reaction of law enforcement officers to work, people with a gun will be far away!
    3. hhurik
      hhurik 13 January 2022 10: 28
      +12
      You misunderstand, duly registered civilian weapons are used in the commission of crimes within the statistical error - some fractions of a percent of the total. Gun owners are the most law-abiding people in the country. For this reason, I propose to put all bipedal feathers on the territory of the country under suspicion - what if they get hold of or fabricate a terrible shooting piece of iron? Let them mark at satellite tracking stations along the route, at the end of the route they are searched and screened at special points. In the period from Friday to Saturday - a sudden search of the home and place of residence, once a year - placement in a mental hospital for examination. To avoid, and at the expense of the client, of course. Cultivation of agricultural products is forbidden, saltpeter encourages the creation of explosive devices. Knives - abolish in all forms. Here's what to do with motorists - a question that needs more research, apparently, preventive decimation will have to be carried out.
      1. bar
        bar 13 January 2022 12: 36
        -3
        Quote: hhurik
        You misunderstand, civilian weapons registered in the established order are used in the commission of crimes within the limits of statistical error - some fractions of a percent of the total. Weapon owners are the most law-abiding people in the country.

        Well, then yes, except that from the balcony at the kids to shoot at the drunken squirrel.
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 13 January 2022 12: 48
          +4
          A disgrace, of course. Probably a massive phenomenon: you wake up from the shots and fall asleep under them, only periodically drunken neighbors run out into the yard and stick their red-hot trunks into the snow with their upper limbs shaking from drinking - so as not to overheat. Garbage containers are overflowing with shell casings, the most deprived part of the shooters from the balconies frantically rummages there in search of suitable ones for reloading. Powder smoke and steam from cooled barrels cover the playground, and only the croaking of flocked crows and runaway flea carriers diversifies the dull landscape with galloping squirrels. Beauty.
    4. sledak
      sledak 13 January 2022 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: FreeDIM
      As I understand it, the bulk of the weapons involved in crimes (if it is not stolen) are non-professional weapons (hunting, sports, property protection). Why did no one introduce a banal alarm system for this group (like a bracelet during house arrest). The weapon and the safe are equipped with a device signaling their distance from each other (let's say 20 meters). I went hunting - I registered a trip for a certain time. The signal has been removed. Upon returning the weapon to the safe - automatically back. In case of unauthorized removal of weapons, an "alarm" is triggered ... further on the situation - calls, tracking (if any), departure of the outfit. Yes .. there will be additional costs for maintenance (let the subscriber) and equipment, but human lives are more expensive. The method, of course, is not ideal, but at least somehow it will tie the hands of inadequate, and possibly criminals.


      The former head of the Federal Penitentiary Service A. Reimar just got burned on such an alarm - he stole almost 3 billion rubles when purchasing electronic bracelets.

      You can make your version of the alarm system even more advanced: you unauthorizedly walked away from the safe by 20 meters and a sensor went off inside the gun and it turned into dust and you don’t have to call to find out anything, there was just a gun and no.

      You know, maybe not the topic, I was here with my family outside the city for the new year, in the country. The dachas themselves were old back in 69, they gave my grandmother, respectively, 6 acres each, there is no gas, there is no security, because pensioners do not pull guards, and their children bought themselves not 6 acres and with gas, it’s just that I got used to my soul, and no one in winter! Sometimes the truth is terribly, and suddenly a herd of drug addicts wanders in, whom only law enforcement officers do not notice in the suburbs, and what to do, well, I’ll throw 2-3 axes, throw a pitchfork a couple of times, if they don’t hit me and my family and fly. And then I remembered that there is a compressor and an air gun, if you attach an ordinary table fork to the "sting" of the air gun, then you can shoot nails with it! So I think the police will get more work from the license, can you imagine how many compressors and air guns will have to be registered, and even new ones to be licensed and equipped with all the sensors of the type you suggested.

      And yes, I don’t need to tell you that the method of self-defense with a copressor and an air gun can be considered as exceeding the limits of necessary defense, but only to me the life of my children at that moment that is fatal will be much more important than how and who qualifies my actions and makes a stick for themselves out of the blue, oh, sorry, it will raise the clearance rate.

      Here, many advocate bans and tightening surveillance of the circulation of civilian weapons, but only in the Russian Federation there are separate subjects in which any man has military weapons in the order of things, and, if necessary, even documents stating that this is a "free shooter" from of the local guard and he is entitled to it - they will draw, and if suddenly he is detained in Moscow or somewhere else with these weapons, it turns out that he was at an important job looking for enemies on the instructions of this very local guard, that is, everything will be legal again , only when such guardsmen start to crawl out in droves, it won’t seem enough to us, we’ll use axes and pitchforks again until the police get to us through traffic jams to make sure that this “guardsman” legally entered the main road with military weapons, and I had no right to throw an ax at him, but I had to give him all my pennies meekly.
      1. AUL
        AUL 13 January 2022 11: 04
        +2
        Quote: sledak
        there are individual subjects in the Russian Federation who have military weapons for any man in the order of things, and, if necessary, even documents that this is a "free shooter" from the local guard and he is entitled to - they will draw, and if suddenly it is in Moscow or else where they are detained with this weapon, it turns out that he was on important work to find enemies on the instructions of this very local guard, that is, again everything will be legal with him, only when such guardsmen begin to crawl out in droves, it will not seem a little to us

        No way to touch them, they are infantrymen!
    5. Vladimir 290
      Vladimir 290 13 January 2022 13: 56
      0
      difficult and costly
  6. 203-K
    203-K 13 January 2022 10: 19
    +6
    .In the organization he heads, they consider it necessary to transfer control over weapons and ammunition from the hands of the Russian Guard to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.
    An absolutely correct decision, because the Ministry of Internal Affairs did a good job with this before. And the licensing system itself should be returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, if only because they know the situation in their areas much better and it is easier for them to work with the population. In general, they made a mistake in the past, so maybe they will correct it now. Of course, for this it will be necessary to increase the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the expense of the National Guard, transferring positions to them.
  7. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2022 10: 23
    +8
    If it were not for the analogy with the introduction of time zones - the abolition of time zones, the introduction of winter-summer time - the abolition, then the decision of the UK could be considered correct. The real functions of the National Guard are the same explosives ... All claims against this department are only that they have become a substitute for the police in preventing citizens from exercising their rights and freedoms by excessive forceful actions.
    Let the National Guardsmen not be offended by me, but when lawlessness is happening on the streets of cities and towns, something is hard to believe in the effectiveness of such a function as “they monitor the observance of public order and stop its violation” ...
    Maybe they are watching, but only for what irritates the official's eye.
    ==========
    Impunity has so “bashed” some human specimens that even a remark can cause a sharp outburst of aggression in such inhabitants ... Why is that?
    Why was “it” able to carry a weapon along the street to the school ... If they go hunting with a gun, then, as a rule, FOR the city ... Today, on the criminal news, they showed one villain who, with stupid persistence, climbed into the cashier ... Where “this” ... And after that, the police master says that you, they say, should not dissolve your hands in relation to the offender ...
    Yeah !!! wassat You can withdraw money from an ATM or just give a PIN code ...
  8. Two
    Two 13 January 2022 10: 25
    +7
    Sound decision! The guardsmen have no experience in operational work, there is no regulatory and operational database. While requests from them go back and forth, more than one hundred "Galyavievs" will be prepared! Plus the influence of the Salafists, plus personal disappointment with life, which was shown by the "Kerch archer". Back in the 90s, the checks went deep enough, though they simply bypassed them - through "personal contacts" (the cops were not paid for half a year then. But with an objective the collection of material by the "Galaviev" passage was blocked.
  9. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 13 January 2022 10: 34
    +7
    yeah .. Vasya Ivanov was sitting in the licensing office in some kind of OMVD for many years .. once he became the National Guard .. a couple of years more times and again he is a policeman .. (he took out an old sign and hung it in place) this event will certainly add efficiency in the work of Vasya Ivanov ..
    1. Vladimir 290
      Vladimir 290 13 January 2022 14: 02
      -1
      This Vasya, having become a guardsman, immediately fledged. Now no one in this office has a decree for him. But the police will also be asked for a flaw in this Vasya.
  10. bar
    bar 13 January 2022 10: 35
    +3
    It was proposed to restore the procedure for the implementation of control functions by the internal affairs bodies over the circulation of weapons and ammunition

    Again redistribution of profitable business. Again, for the aunts from the licensed service to sew a new uniform ...
  11. faterdom
    faterdom 13 January 2022 10: 55
    +2
    In general, it is necessary to recognize the creation of this ridiculous creation as a mistake, as well as the tax police and the State Drug Control Service. But for some reason, the Kremlin needs 20 years to recognize the obvious milking of specialists.
  12. faterdom
    faterdom 13 January 2022 11: 06
    +2
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    and what is the actual difference? before the soap exercised control, created the Russian Guard, control was transferred to the awl, now they are again changing the oil for soap. The Russian guards of those who exercised control will be made police officers, the police may be added to the state, the salary will be cut. What's the catch?

    In an integrated approach. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is interested in monitoring all the parameters in any locality: the criminogenic situation, the number of supervised persons, juvenile delinquency in general crime typical for this place, social ill-being, drunkenness and drug addiction, and at the same time legal plus illegal weapons.
    Moreover, often, in most small NPs, this is all in the head and in the hands of one district police officer and his assistant, as well as a number of procedural issues.
    And when a separate issue of legal weapons, together with a department of 10 people in the region, was pulled into another department altogether - they turned this control into an action cut off from life, like a hobby - well, someone likes to take into account hunting rifles and injuries, so they take into account, true for state money, but without any practical sense and connection with reality.
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 January 2022 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: faterdom
      a place with a department of 10 people per region was pulled out in general to another department -

      We just transferred the LRO to the National Guard in the regional department
    2. hhurik
      hhurik 13 January 2022 13: 04
      +1
      You are apolitical. That way, the FSIN must be transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs - why, it is there that professional criminals are forged. What else is there, private security - a purely police formation? All sorts of specialists raised in the Ministry of Internal Affairs specifically for the fight against criminals?
      According to this logic, the decision to create national gates is a mistake, which, as you know, has a first name, patronymic and last name. And this cannot be in principle wink
      1. Vladimir 290
        Vladimir 290 13 January 2022 14: 07
        0
        In fact, the non-departmental security is a purely police formation and solved a large number of crimes, since it was the most mobile unit in the militia.
        With the creation of the National Guard, in my opinion, the wrong action (not a mistake, since I do not know the purposes for which it was actually created).
      2. faterdom
        faterdom 13 January 2022 16: 02
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        This is not "in principle", but in our country they make such costly mistakes.
        And yet yes: they have names, surnames and patronymics, although they like to pretend that I, they say, ten years ago or more, is not me, and that house is not mine.
  13. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 13 January 2022 11: 15
    0
    In 2005, all the guards of the controllers of the vokhr were thrown out into the street, hundreds of thousands of people across the country were fired, the motivation was the fight against terrorism, I didn’t even know that the private security was terrorists, and then they created the National Guard of roofing felts, military roofing felts, cops, or something else, the name was changed to policemen, now they can even imprison for a wooden gun, the people are afraid of the authorities !!!
  14. CorvusMag
    CorvusMag 13 January 2022 11: 50
    +3
    It was initially a bad idea to combine BB and the police ..... The police officers transferred to the Rosguard have been using good language on this decision for many years now.
  15. older
    older 13 January 2022 16: 08
    0
    Quote: FreeDIM
    As I understand it, the bulk of the weapons involved in crimes (if it is not stolen) are non-professional weapons (hunting, sports, property protection). Why did no one introduce a banal alarm system for this group (like a bracelet during house arrest). The weapon and the safe are equipped with a device signaling their distance from each other (let's say 20 meters). I went hunting - I registered a trip for a certain time. The signal has been removed. Upon returning the weapon to the safe - automatically back. In case of unauthorized removal of weapons, an "alarm" is triggered ... further on the situation - calls, tracking (if any), departure of the outfit. Yes .. there will be additional costs for maintenance (let the subscriber) and equipment, but human lives are more expensive. The method, of course, is not ideal, but at least somehow it will tie the hands of inadequate, and possibly criminals.

    I bought a ticket, called, warned me that I was going hunting, took the gun and went to school ... winked
  16. Romanenko
    Romanenko 13 January 2022 16: 10
    +1
    The fact that weapons from the National Guard will be taken away is absolutely correct.
    They have already "recommended themselves", it is under their dictation that an extreme version of the law on weapons has been written, which has confused everything and everyone, enough, it's time to return this topic to specialists.
    Although, of course, the Ministry of Internal Affairs should also reconsider its principles of working with the owners of weapons.
    In our ATC, gunsmiths worked with the population two days a week (only on weekdays, no days off, this is sacred) from 11 to 17, lunch break (also sacred) from 13 to 14, do as you want, in a word, every time at work I asked for leave, and not just once, you will not always be in time.
    But under socialism, from time to time, the district police officer came to see how weapons and ammunition were stored, called in advance and came in, this is in an era when there were no mobile phones yet.
    Now I propose to try to call your local policeman on his mobile phone (official), the result is known in advance.
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 January 2022 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: Romanenko
      Now I propose to try to get through to your local policeman on his mobile

      The district policeman ran after me for 3 days - in the end they agreed that I would drop the pictures of the safe on vatsap, and he would leave a report at my work for me to sign ...
      But the truth was in December, the end of the year - we both had
  17. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 January 2022 16: 11
    0
    Again intrigues and undercover games, what's the difference who and where acquired the weapon?
  18. MauZerR
    MauZerR 13 January 2022 16: 58
    0
    Feeders began to share ????
  19. Free wind
    Free wind 13 January 2022 17: 35
    0
    Earlier, up to 65 years old, a gun could be bought in a rural store, without showing a passport. Single barrel 14-18 rubles, 16 gauge. Since the age of 14, my uncle has been running around hunting ducks and hares. Of course, there were accidents. For example, Yulian Semyonov killed a co-hunter on a hunt, he was sentenced to 5 years.
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