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"We want to live like in Sweden!": A new hot region appeared near the borders of Russia

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Personnel from Kazakhstan.



Kazakh blitzkrieg


Events are developing rapidly - even at the end of December, nothing foreshadowed the storm that has now gripped Kazakhstan. Perhaps it was not in the newest stories such a rapid escalation of civil conflict. The unrest began on January 2, and after just three days, all regions of Kazakhstan were involved in an anti-government riot. Alma-Ata, the financial capital of the republic, actually fell - the power units left the city and now it is a real gray zone. Locals are already trying to organize the fight against looters on their own and this can provoke massive bloodshed. In the hands of the protesters, a rifle, including an automatic weapon... The protests began with minor skirmishes, later water cannons, flash grenades and tear gas were used. Now armed people are storming administrative buildings, the shooting is being conducted not with traumatic, but with live ammunition. The government led by Tokayev made unprecedented concessions to the militant crowd - gas prices were reduced, ministers were dismissed, and even Nazarbayev himself was removed from the post of head of the Security Council of Kazakhstan. It didn't help, people stayed on the street and took up arms.


The history of the latest Kazakhstani revolt is only a few days old, but preliminary conclusions can already be drawn, many of which are global. Firstly, Kazakhstan in 2022 is not the Ukraine of 2014 and, moreover, not the Belarus of 2020. Largely because the case is unfolding in an Asian country with a certain specificity of protests. The bitterness of the rebels is obvious - the first corpses appeared on January 5, if not earlier. An illiterate crowd took to the streets, generously flavored by marauders and provocateurs. In the best traditions of the genre, they began to rob ATMs, weapons and grocery stores. And if the situation does not change drastically in the near future, the country will face a lot of blood. The second feature of what is happening is the vague position of the armed forces. More precisely, open sabotage of most of the power structures. The work of the department is organized in such a way that the rebels on the streets by force take away the machine guns from the police, beat them one by one and easily storm the administrative buildings. The Almaty airport was literally surrendered by the security forces without a fight - they retreated in an unknown direction at the sight of armed bandits. And this is not to mention the massive surrenders "in captivity" and the transition to the category of "friends of the people." This is especially evident in the western junior zhuz of Kazakhstan, which traditionally, under the current government, remained deprived of both finances and political influence.

After the change of President Nazarbayev on Tokayev, the oil-bearing region of the republic did not get any better - the entire government was occupied by representatives of the senior southern zhuz. It cannot be said that the leaders of the small zhuz openly support the protest, but it is in these regions - Aktobe, Atyrau and Mangistau - that the most loyal security officials are so far. It is worth understanding the clan structure of the Kazakh community. Most of the appointments and personnel changes are carried out not on the basis of abilities, but according to a kindred logic. Or for bribes. Most often, among the protesters and security officials, they are met by blood relatives, if not siblings. What kind of suppression of a protest can there be? Shooting at each other begins in case of extreme ferocity, for example, during the storming of the police station building. The police officers who took refuge understand perfectly well that in the event of a breakthrough of a rabid crowd, they will be immediately lynched from their own machine guns. The third feature of the protest in Kazakhstan is the rapid flight of elites from the country. Screenshots of the Flightradar service with the routes of business jets escaping from Almaty have already spread all over the world. Some to Switzerland, and some further away. Who will remain with President Tokayev, who so quickly replaced the cabinet, is not completely clear. Officials, businessmen and protesters regarded this attack solely as weakness. For some it gave strength and impudence, and in the second it instilled despair. Now the protest demands, if not Tokayev's head, then at least unconditional surrender. And so far he is only making another failure - he speaks to the nationalist pogromists in Russian.

Kazakhstan is radical


For Russia, the ongoing protests in Kazakhstan are a very difficult story. Still, up to 3 million Russians live in the republic, and every hour the pogromists associate the current regime with the Kremlin forces more and more. The provocateurs from Nexta and the Ukronazis add salt to the local protest publics. All according to the old scheme - rumors from the category: "planes are already flying from Moscow and Minsk to Alma-Ata with riot police and the National Guard." Perhaps this is why the strategically important airport of the old capital was captured so quickly. By the middle of January 5, the logic of external coordination began to be traced in the actions of the crowd throughout Kazakhstan - the seizure of administrative buildings, the ROVD, the destruction of TV channels and, finally, the control of the airport. And this is in the absence of clear leaders of the protest, both inside the country and abroad. Obviously, either the special services have clearly slapped the "brain of the revolution", or he is very good at conspiring. The absence of a clear leader, by the way, is not good. It will be very difficult for countries later to forge adequate connections if the protesters win.


Pogroms in Almaty.

Most of the radicals on the streets are ardent nationalists. It is enough to recall the recent scandals with "language patrols" to understand what awaits Northern Kazakhstan with the coming to power of the crowd from the street. This region, adjacent to Russia, is home to most of the Russian republics. And here the level of confrontation "Kazakh-Russian" can be much fiercer than "Ukrainian-Russian". Our border with the republic is simply huge - from the Caspian Sea to Altai, and almost every inhabitant of the border regions in Kazakhstan has relatives. And in the Russian regions there are also a lot of ethnic Kazakhs. The risks of nationalism turning into radical Islamization will also open the gates to Kazakhstan for terrorist organizations. This will require a multiple strengthening of the Russian-Kazakh border.


The republic was cut off from the Internet and cellular communications on January 5. On the one hand, this should seriously disrupt the coordination of the actions of the protesters, and, on the other hand, it will complicate the life of "peaceful" citizens - it is not easy to call an ambulance and it is impossible to carry out financial transactions. The country is plunging into an information vacuum for some time.

Big risks are associated with Baikonur and the Sary-Shagan landfill, which Russia leases from Kazakhstan. In general, the situation here is unpredictable - a multiple increase in rent is possible, and an elementary nationalization of infrastructure, read, plunder. Russia is now generally treated in a special way. The list of the insurgents' demands included Kazakhstan's withdrawal from all alliances with Moscow, recognizing the times of Soviet rule as a crime against post-Soviet countries, and, corona, "to condemn the military aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea."

Kazakhstan itself, in the logic of events at the beginning of January 2022, risks slipping into a civil war between key clans. This is, first of all, indicated by the open weakness of the army and law enforcement agencies. On the good, the current unrest could have been stopped by the military, taking power into their own hands and removing the incumbent president. But, apparently, not this time. The state apparatus, weakened after the transit of power, was unable to withstand even internal threats. It is not even an hour, Kazakhstan will fall apart into the very three zhuzes, of which it was collected in the USSR.

Russia once again faced the boiling republic of the former USSR. This time, it seems, everything is serious and will not work without consequences. The diversion of the Kremlin's forces and attention to the situation in Kazakhstan may motivate hotheads in Kiev. Revanchists may imagine that this is the moment of truth. And this is the most dangerous scenario for the development of events in January 2022.
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  2. Lekz
    Lekz 6 January 2022 02: 32
    +69
    How is it in Sweden? Soon Kazakhs will be jealous of Moldovans.
    1. barium
      barium 6 January 2022 05: 23
      +30
      they want to live like in Sweden, but they will be like in Africa !!!!!!!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 6 January 2022 06: 37
        +21
        The coup d'etat in Kazakhstan is not spontaneous. It is coordinated from Kiev by the Kazakh opposition leader Mukhtar Ablyazov.

        Kazakh opposition leader Ablyazov appealed to the protesters via Facebook with an appeal to "coordinate actions" and indicated the contact phone numbers of his headquarters, which have the codes of Ukrainian operators. The same Ukrainian numbers of Ablyazov's Kiev headquarters were circulated on the Internet back in July last year. Already it was about planning and coordinating protest actions to "overthrow the Nazarbayev regime."
        "We will communicate only in a narrow group, and we plan to create at least 100-200 such groups in each city. These groups will only contact me and the headquarters in Kiev, which guarantees confidentiality and security," Strana quoted last year's calls on behalf of Ablyazov .ua.
        See in detail - https://www.ng.ru/cis/2022-01-05/100_220105kiev.html

        Who is Mukhtar Ablyazov? The West is behind it. (See video below from 5:14 min.)

        Headquarters in Kiev for the Kazakh Maidan. What's happening in Kazakhstan | Clear
        (See video from 4:00 min.)
        1. krot
          krot 6 January 2022 11: 31
          +10
          "We want to live like in Sweden!"

          Oh cool !!! Nearby will be "own" Sweden ..) And sultry Swedes .. laughing
          Only Kazakhs where will be resettled interesting laughing
          And they still want lace panties, they forgot to say .. laughing
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        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 6 January 2022 16: 48
          +8
          Evgeny outlined the situation in Kazakhstan well. I read a lot yesterday / today about Kazakhstan. Nobody writes better than Boris Rozhin on "Colonel Kassada". In his opinion, the conflict has been brewing for a long time because of the stupid and reckless policy of flirting with the Americans, the West, local nationalists, the soft squeezing of Russians and all Russians from Kazakhstan, Russia's "friend" / Putin Nazarbayev and his successor Tokayev. Until very recently, only 20 American non-profit organizations operated freely in Kazakhstan! The stake was placed on the youth. And at the right time (it’s easy to guess who) the command was given, which was VERY helped by someone’s (it’s still clear whose) decision to raise the gas price. Yes, there is a serious kneading and testing by the West of Russia's viability before the negotiations. And Russia - once again - will have to rake the guano heaped up by local deBills and the West ... And this cannot be done, otherwise the West will firmly take root in the country of dreamers "to live like in Sweden and Norway" .rakov). And Nazarbayev-Tokayev's cunning policy of soft Russophobia to them have to change!
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 6 January 2022 20: 27
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Evgeny outlined the situation in Kazakhstan well.

            Yes. I especially liked:
            Big risks are associated with Baikonur and the Sary-Shagan landfill, which Russia leases from Kazakhstan.

            Risks for whom? For Kazakhstan? laughing
            Can Baikonur and the Sary-Shagan training ground "float away" like Crimea, taking with them a good chunk of the country? fellow
    2. Shiva83483
      Shiva83483 6 January 2022 07: 35
      +7
      and not only to Moldovans ... but throughout Africa ...
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 January 2022 11: 16
      +5
      Quote: Lekz
      How is it in Sweden? Soon Kazakhs will be jealous of Moldovans.

      But in lace skullcaps. lol
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 6 January 2022 11: 59
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        But in lace skullcaps.

        And in "Swedish" families.
    4. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 6 January 2022 12: 11
      +4
      How is it in Sweden? Soon Kazakhs will be jealous of Moldovans.

      A new generation has grown up, which does not understand that there is no second Sweden and will not be. But the second Haiti may very well be.
    5. isv000
      isv000 6 January 2022 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: Lekz
      How is it in Sweden? Soon Kazakhs will be jealous of Moldovans.

      If we consider that the reserves of our own gas will run out within 20 years and there is no herring from the word at all, then you will have to change to horses and camels with a move to yurts, as in Sweden ... fool
    6. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 7 January 2022 19: 55
      +1
      How is it in Sweden?

      I heard in due time: "To live like in Germany, to work like in Greece"
      It didn't end well for the Greeks. We owe everyone, and above the roof.
  3. Far B
    Far B 6 January 2022 03: 40
    +42
    Perhaps there has not been such a rapid escalation of civil conflict in modern history.
    Kyrgyzstan - not?
    In general, all Elbass (including ours) should not confuse the shores, forgetting that they are in the service of the people, and not vice versa. Well, then not to be surprised at such "fast escalations".
    And, by the way, from the article it is completely incomprehensible where the phrase "We want to live like in Sweden!" An attempt to draw a parallel with Ukraine? Suddenly, unsuccessful, because in the same article the author points out that:
    The whole world has already seen screenshots of the Flightradar service showing the routes of business jets leaving Alma-Almaty. Someone to Switzerland and some away
    That is, it is precisely those who in Ukraine who were the main beneficiaries of the 2014 coup dumped: moneybags. And they will definitely live like in Sweden (or in Switzerland, but what's the difference? ". And not from the word"want"and from the word"already"So the conclusions suggest themselves.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 6 January 2022 09: 35
      +9
      Quote: Dalny V
      In general, all Elbass (including ours) should not confuse the shores, forgetting that they are in the service of the people, and not vice versa.

      good Quote of the Day...
      Apparently, behind the wall of protection, it is forgotten:
      God forbid seeing a Russian revolt - senseless and merciless.

      Now also Kazakh ...
    2. lucul
      lucul 6 January 2022 09: 41
      .
      "And, by the way, from the article it is completely incomprehensible where the phrase" We want to live like in Sweden! "

      I say - the communists live in their own fictional world)))
      Here's this yesterday's video:

      )))
  4. bnm.99
    bnm.99 6 January 2022 03: 58
    +29
    "The hour is not even off, Kazakhstan will fall apart into the very three zhuzes, of which it was collected in the USSR." Will disintegrate - and Allah is with him. They themselves chose the path of building a Nazi ethnocracy - and let them slurp it with a spoon.
    1. Asad
      Asad 6 January 2022 04: 50
      +33
      The border is very long, it is very difficult and expensive to completely close it. Smuggling in our
      Novosibirsk in all markets. Plus, drugs and weapons will be added.
      1. bnm.99
        bnm.99 6 January 2022 05: 20
        +13
        If there is a need, they will block it. In the Belgorod region, until 2014, smuggling across the Ukrainian border was also a super-profitable business. As a result, this business collapsed. Although desperate loners remained of course - I personally know similar ones. But as an organized matter, all this was covered with a copper basin in the end
        1. Asad
          Asad 6 January 2022 06: 04
          +12
          Agree that 7600 is more than 1900. And the western regions of Russia are populated, “thicker,” than the steppes of Altai and Siberia.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 January 2022 08: 18
            +12
            Interestingly, the borders of the Union were closed. But these, like little children, have optimized everything they can reach. They do not have enough hospitals for covid. Now there are problems with the border guards.
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 6 January 2022 12: 59
            +1
            ... And the western regions of Russia are populated, thicker, than the steppes of Altai and Siberia.
            Another reason to patrol with shock drones. Not in the schedule - bang! The steppe is flat.
        2. Sad235
          Sad235 6 January 2022 07: 32
          .
          In short, we will fence ourselves off from the whole world with a thorn with minefields and we will quietly rot
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 6 January 2022 11: 42
            +10
            Collect chumadan and prosper in Banderziania! And you can support young democracy and bloom in Kazakhstan! I am sure no one "in Mordor" will burst into tears from such a loss. A feather in ....
          2. VORON538
            VORON538 6 January 2022 13: 51
            -6
            How did you serve the Soviet Union with such thoughts? And after all, you rose to the rank of colonel, as you say. But then they just handed over the entire Soviet Union for cookies (jeans and chewing gum)? hi They overlooked you in the Union, did not work, but such people sold the country to Western capital. Although, most likely, you are not a retired colonel, but an ordinary troll from an independent country. Moreover, your account is not the first, the previous ones are sitting in the bathhouse.
            1. Sad235
              Sad235 6 January 2022 15: 12
              .
              I expressed my point of view and it will not change And your thoughts are somehow indifferent to me Believe, do not believe The main thing is that I know
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 6 January 2022 09: 41
        +9
        Quote: ASAD
        The border is very long, it is very difficult and expensive to completely close it.

        I agree.
        The length of the land border is 7598 km. The Russian-Kazakh border is almost completely land-based (including 8 km by land itself, 5936,1 km of the river border, 1516,7 km of the lake border). The length of the sea border is 60 km.

        And it looks something like this:
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 6 January 2022 10: 07
        +6
        About 15 years ago, my friend, a border guard, told us that everything from a thriller and syphilis to drugs and weapons is being brought to us from Central Asia. And the authorities are silent and endure, as these "tourists" will build mansions in Moscow and the Moscow region.
        1. man
          man 8 January 2022 03: 55
          0
          Why doesn't your friend, the border guard, stop drugs and weapons ??? You want to say that it is the power that prevents him from fulfilling his official duties ???
      4. aglet
        aglet 6 January 2022 10: 44
        +11
        "The border is very long, it is very difficult and expensive to completely close the border"
        it is possible to significantly shorten the border line by returning the lands donated to the Kyrgyz-Kaisaks
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 January 2022 01: 17
          -3
          They will block them with the same drones and vehicles with optical surveillance systems - they are already in service with the border guards, they can detect a person day and night at a distance of 13 kilometers with seismic sensors that react to the steps of security systems.
      5. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 January 2022 11: 11
        +5
        Quote: ASAD
        The border is very long, it is very difficult and expensive to completely close it

        The will of the state would have been shown! And then you can solve the problem ... "Emphasis" on the massive use of drones at the border, incl. and armed with special weapons, shooting paralyzing syringes, and, possibly, other special means! There are different methods ... of course, the job will not be done right away, but over time the results will be ... will and deeds are needed! And the conscientious fulfillment of their functions by law enforcement and special services!
      6. V means B
        V means B 6 January 2022 11: 39
        +4
        And do not tell me how long the land border of the USSR was?
    2. bayard
      bayard 6 January 2022 07: 21
      +47
      Quote: bnm.99
      Will disintegrate - and Allah is with him

      But you shouldn't so recklessly blame Allah on all responsibility for the future. stop
      Or do you prefer the new "Afghanistan" on our southern border?
      Or "on the drum" the fate of the millions of Russians living there?
      Moreover, the CSTO and the Russian Federation have already made the correct and very timely decision - the CSTO peacekeeping forces are being brought into Kazakhstan!
      Difficult region? Dominance of Islamists? Inadequate thugs?
      But I would like to give very good advice - to send there ... Chechen peacekeepers. bully
      Putin has one "infantryman" who knows the Koran perfectly, and pacifies the inadequate master ... Do you remember how quickly he pacified the Crimean Tatars? The ones from the "Medzhilis"?
      I just flew there with my special forces and literally "by the nostrils" (the expression of one very good guy - also a Crimean Tatar, but correct, who fought with the Russian flag under the walls of the Crimean parliament with the Medzhilisovites ... and guarded him (parliament) all night long, while Russian special forces did not arrive in the morning) dragged these "warriors of Allah" ... to a conversation ... began with the suras of the Koran ... then about the rules of behavior ... and then dragged them by the same "nostrils" to open the caches with weapons and other accessories of the "civil war".
      And the "Medzhilis" at once became SILK.
      And in Syria, the Chechen National Guards have proven themselves quite well ...
      So it’s a high time and reason for the "Infantryman Putin" to implement his methods and skills.
      And they really can.
      And Kazakhstan is not alien to them - it was from there that they returned to the Caucasus ...

      The mutiny and foreign intervention in the form of terrorist gangs and their curators must be defeated and eliminated as soon as possible - in a few days, negotiations between Russia and the United States and NATO begin. Terrorists must be eliminated and order restored.
      And let this be the additional weight on the scales of the negotiations.
      And I would also like to immediately expel not only all non-profit organizations of the USA, England and other EU from this already troubled republic, but also American / English business from this former republic of the USSR. With the nationalization of all their assets. This is necessary for the future peace and well-being of this allied country to us.

      I think that the ongoing events will become an additional incentive for the implementation of plans to form a consolidated CSTO corps in the region. Its formation was planned in 2014, but the Ukrainian events have mixed plans.
      It is now clear to all countries in the region and their governments that no one is immune from coup attempts and outside intervention. And no one can cope with such a disaster alone (except for Russia) ... So it's time to turn the CSTO into a real military force that can deter the enemy. And there is hardly a better reason than now.
      hi
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 6 January 2022 07: 52
        +8
        I agree with every word! !!
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 6 January 2022 10: 11
          +8
          I agree. If Ramzan goes there with his "peacekeepers" then the protests will stop, in a moment. Chechens also went to Crimea to "persuade" Crimean Tatars. Apparently, Chechens are excellent "diplomats".)))
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 6 January 2022 08: 26
        +3
        Question- Who will transform? Russians again? hi A little tired already. Take their own, and, these ... let them dog among themselves ... African-Americans are waiting.
        1. bayard
          bayard 6 January 2022 08: 59
          +19
          Quote: bandabas
          Question- Who will transform? Russians again?

          According to previous plans, the CSTO consolidated corps was to be formed from units and formations of the participating countries, the weapons were to be provided by Russia. The general command was also with our representatives. The retraining of corps officers was to be carried out in Russia, the language of communication and document circulation was Russian.
          Then they did not have time, then it was not before that, but now - just right. And the reason - there is no more respectful and meaningful. I think now the corps will be formed in the course of the anti-terrorist operation itself and the subsequent peacekeeping operation.
          The next stage, I think, will be bringing the Armed Forces of the participating countries to a single standard of training and armament - this is important, and in the light of current events, it is necessary.
          As a result, the corps should become a permanent force of rapid response to all challenges and threats against the countries of the alliance.
          And officers for the armies of the participating countries should be trained by Russian military educational institutions. For a single standard, future military rallying and eliminating the threat that trained officers in NATO countries (Turkey, for example) "suddenly" become participants or even leaders of another conspiracy.
          If the elites of the participating countries ... just want to live ... and (if possible) maintain their status, they should go to deepen cooperation and interaction within the framework of this alliance and carry out all of the above reforms as soon as possible.
          Otherwise, they will simply be cut out.
          In Kazakhstan, they are now being cut.
          hi
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 7 January 2022 23: 54
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            They say only took part in the attack on Alma-Ata .... think about it! At least 20 thousand bandits! And they do not speak Kazakh or Russian.
            About a thousand were liquidated, another couple of thousand were captured.
            But the rest ...
            Attack on military units, academy of border troops, MANPADS and heavy equipment have already been captured.
            But 20 thousand terrorists per city alone is already an incidental situation.
            A reason to declare martial law and partial mobilization of reservists. Otherwise, they will not stop.
            1. bayard
              bayard 8 January 2022 00: 47
              +1
              The CSTO has already intervened, the Airborne Forces are already there, the military columns are already moving. In Kazakhstan itself, self-organization of the population began for self-defense on the ground and collective resistance. Big business is ready to create and finance PMCs or self-defense units to protect businesses and communities. A commission of security officials and the prosecutor's office has been created to investigate all the circumstances. There are more than enough prisoners for interrogations, Ilyasov has already been exposed by the curators to divert guilt from himself and his role in what is happening ... Everything is quite transparent. It is important now to destroy the armed gangs as soon as possible and start organizing - for example, nationalizing their business in the country.
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 8 January 2022 02: 10
                -1
                So there still nothing really happened, just beginning.
                We don't know what will happen in a week or a month.
                Terrorists can carry out a series of terrorist attacks on cities to sow confusion.
                This was done in Syria, where there were people from Kazakhstan and other neighboring republics.
                enough - in ISIS they were responsible for everyday life and supplies.
                Therefore, if in a month or a month and a half (during such a period, though) nothing happens either in Kazakhstan or in the neighboring republics, the threat can be considered passed.
                And now nothing is clear yet. Everything can be deceiving - it's not the children who stand up there.
                Those who broke the army of Assad in Syria for almost 10 years, then successfully left the Russian aviation. As if dissolved. And then he found himself in the north of Afghanistan. There are many Arabs there, and there are also Kazakhs.
                I think they did not enter the republic in a day or two.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 8 January 2022 02: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: Osipov9391
                  I think they did not enter the republic in a day or two.

                  There was definitely infiltration and accumulation. In addition, there were many sleeping cells in Kazakhstan itself. In the conditions of state nationalism, they were not particularly touched. Now, willy-nilly, you have to uproot them.
                  But the good news is that in Kazakhstan itself the rejection of these radical terrorists by the society itself has already begun. People begin to organize themselves to repulse the bandits. And the betrayal in the ranks of the military and the police has so far manifested itself as massively as at one time in Syria.
                  And of course, only time will tell - how long this mess will last.
                  One thing is clear - the CSTO worked (with the decision on commissioning and force and the commissioning itself) clearly, quickly, harmoniously. I would even say - exemplary.
                  1. Osipov9391
                    Osipov9391 8 January 2022 02: 34
                    +1
                    Kazakhstan, unlike its southern neighbors, is a secular state. The ideas of Salafism and Wahhabism in the republic have never been popular with the local population.
                    The exception is rural youth where the standard of living is much lower, the level of education is also a high percentage of unemployment.
                    This is the South of the country.
                    It was this region that was for a long time (8 and more years) a supplier of "recruits" to ISIS, Jamaat al-Surlah, Hiz-But-Tahrir, al-Qaeda.
                    It was they who organized the seizures of cities in Syria. And people from Kazakhstan were responsible for life and supplies. And they have great experience.
                    Now about betrayal. I just don’t understand why the KGB had a large number of MANPADS? This is not an army but a special service. By definition, they are not entitled to such weapons. But it was kept. Without proper protection and protection. Now they are captured and are walking among the militants.
                    Where they will shoot is unknown.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 8 January 2022 03: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      I just don’t understand why the KGB had a large number of MANPADS? This is not an army but a special service.

                      Even according to Soviet standards, in large cities, in case of war, weapons for arming up to the battalion were stored in the departments / directorates of the KGB. Including all types of weapons. And about MANPADS, I heard about five pieces. This is also very dangerous, because they can shoot down a civilian or government plane, but still not "a large number of MANPADS."
                      Or did they take over somewhere else?
                      Another thing is that in Soviet times, such "weapons rooms" were usually secret, camouflaged, walled up, so that in the event of capture, it was not immediately possible to find it ... But in post-Soviet times, everything was no longer the same - in Lugansk, a weapon was also found immediately ...
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Where they will shoot is unknown.

                      The perimeter of airfields and airports will have to be guarded and monitored very carefully ... And, possibly, take off "in Afghani" - in an ascending spiral over the airfield.
                      1. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 8 January 2022 03: 22
                        0
                        Captured not only MANPADS. Explosives, small arms, armored vehicles, communications. And in quantity. SIZO, regional departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs also passed.
                        Now further.
                        The rampant extremism in the South of Kazakhstan and neighboring republics, as well as the expansion of "recruits" to the Middle East from this region, can be attributed to the fact that over the past 20 years a large number of people have joined the Islamic environment there, and especially young people who have no spiritual education at all or who have received "spiritual education" in the countries of developed Wahhabism.
                        Such elements serve in mosques, excite young people. But sometimes they pierce.
                        When knowledgeable theologians and elders ask something about the Qur'an or Islam, they cannot answer!
                        There are no laws regulating these things, just like there are no "minimum requirements" for Islamic clergymen.

                        Remember the crying martyr? This is the 17-year-old boy from Kyrgyzstan who went to Russia to work and ended up near Cancer where he was seduced into an armored personnel carrier loaded with explosives.
                        He understood ... What is wrong is so. But it was too late.
                        And there were hundreds of such cases.

                        After the strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces (despite the talk that almost all the militants were destroyed), a significant part of them seemed to dissolve on their own.
                        Now they are surfacing in their homeland.
                        And yes, even in Russia with these ghouls no one really knows what to do. When they returned.
                        Even if the special services and intelligence know that someone has blood on his hands up to his shoulders, it is impossible to prove his guilt in court. There are no witnesses, no facts, no evidence. Only indirect information.
                        And so in any country.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 8 January 2022 03: 45
                        0
                        Well, now you just have to take care of this and do the cleaning.
                        And in the Central Asian republics too.
                        This is also serious about captured weapons and armored vehicles. I think it will be possible to calculate the technique by drones, but the captured weapon ... I think there were enough weapons in the caches, and the capture of weapons is to "explain" where the bandits suddenly have so many weapons in their hands. Let's see what the continuation will be, but the new Syria will definitely not be allowed. I think, if need be, China will also join in solving the issue, it has the Xinjiang Uygur District at its side, it does not need a mess at the borders.
                        I think the purges will have to start in the neighboring republics as well. But this is an issue that can be resolved within the framework of the CSTO.
                      3. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 9 January 2022 00: 16
                        0
                        There is information that the bandits are now hiding in the private sector and dacha associations.
                        For them, this is a real not criminal fortress. Cellars, caches, etc.
                        From there, they make forays into cities and other objects.
                        I think this was not equipped in one day.
                        Villagers and visitors (apparently Arabs).
                        But the most serious threat has not yet passed. They can send a dozen or two suicide bombers to large cities.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 9 January 2022 02: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        They can send a dozen or two suicide bombers to large cities.

                        They can and send. There now everything is like in Syria and Afghanistan. Why be surprised if the head of the KNB was in the conspiracy?
                        And the United States and England will throw a kerasinchik there.
                      5. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 9 January 2022 03: 12
                        +2
                        If the war on terrorism flares up in the republic, Russia will receive millions of refugees across almost 8000 km of the border (including the Altai mountains). And among them are ISIS recruiters, their informants, drug dealers who escaped from places of detention (more precisely, released by militants), smugglers, weapon kings for whom the black market of Russia will become wonderful - it will be necessary to push the numerous American trophies remaining in Afghanistan somewhere.
                        And Kazakhstan is a huge and rich country - everything is there. And heptyl for spaceports, and uranium and gold, and much more, including modern military aircraft.
            2. man
              man 8 January 2022 03: 47
              +3
              Not 20 thousand, but 20 million! And they all spoke American!
      3. l7yzo
        l7yzo 6 January 2022 09: 02
        +6
        Aren't you tired of scaring the Islamists? And to scare terrorists? In general, it is dangerous to live on Earth - they DIE here. And that's all, sooner or later. Why are you all always scaring? Here are some good suggestions, where are yours? What solutions do you see? And to be afraid of wolves not to go to the forest. A person has an internal firewall - when the edge - he begins to discard and the effect is dulled. And then the stage comes - do not care. That is, in principle, the essence - "spontaneous". It just ran out of capacity and everything poured out, and the trigger event can be anything at all, it doesn't matter at all. I say it again - there should be a system of balances in power, well, like in the West, there are 2 parties, they deflate tensions and do not bring the masses to an uncontrollable boil. Without this, the system is unstable and it is easy to overturn or displace / replace it - but with the opposite ideology and values. Well, damn it, you probably heard about the effect of a pendulum or a spring - on the fingers, as it were.
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 January 2022 10: 07
          +9
          Quote: l7yzo
          there must be a system of balances in power, well, as in the west - 2 parties, they deflate tensions and do not bring the mass to an uncontrollable boil.

          There were a lot of parties in Ukraine.
          AND???
        2. bayard
          bayard 6 January 2022 10: 27
          +12
          Quote: l7yzo
          Aren't you tired of scaring Islamists?

          Are you talking to me ?
          I don't scare anyone. Now in Kazakhstan they not only frighten, but also kill, rob, burn, rape.
          But you can go and talk to terrorists about democracy and the bipartisan system. smile I would love to watch this.
          Quote: l7yzo
          In general, it is dangerous to live on Earth - they DIE here.

          what Believe it or not, I am familiar with this perspective.
          Quote: l7yzo
          Why are you all always scaring?

          Again ? This is some kind of mania ... Calm down, drink tea with mint and enjoy the peaceful sky above your head.
          While it is peaceful.
          Quote: l7yzo
          Here are some good suggestions, where are yours? What solutions do you see?

          Yes, I actually presented them on several similar forums on this site.
          Today an ANTI-TERRORIST operation is being carried out in Kazakhstan. CSTO troops for peacekeeping purposes are brought into this country at the request of its authorities.
          Everything seems to be correct.
          The President of Kazakhstan classified the events in the country as a foreign intervention by gangs of international terrorists.
          And I also agree with that.
          Therefore, it is now necessary to destroy the armed gangs in the shortest possible time, to identify and neutralize all the instigators, instigators and leaders of this outrage.
          Establishment of peace, security, order.
          Nationalization of all assets of American, British and other companies involved in the conflict countries (instigators, sponsors and curators are just one of them). Closure and expulsion of all foreign NGOs, representations, foundations, centers, "schools" and other espionage and subversive structures.
          And to deal with the reconciliation and ordering of the internal life of Kazakhstan. There are a lot of distortions and injustices. Everything needs to be brought into balance.
          I will not go deep, it will result in a volume of a good article.
          Quote: l7yzo
          there must be a system of balances in power, like in the west

          Whose West?
          Or maybe on - what?
          There is no two-partism in Germany or France. As in many other western countries.
          Or are you talking about the United States and England?
          So the power does not belong there to the parties.
          And not to the presidents.
          The decision-making centers are in completely different places and the power does not change there.
          Never!
          And talkers and politicians-actors can be changed, tossed, juggled with them ...
          Quote: l7yzo
          2 parties, they deflate the tension and do not bring the mass to an uncontrollable boil.

          Come on, it's just a performance for the imbecile ... And sometimes a uniform circus ... As with the storming of the Capitol and the removal of Trump from power. lol
          No, really. Power can be sovereign or nominal.
          And sovereign power can be strong, successful, competent ... or vice versa.
          Today, in general, in the West, the government is ... incompetent ... because of this, it is not successful ... and as a result, it loses its power, authority, popularity and ... legitimacy in the eyes of its citizens.
          You can assume that the pendulum has gone the other way. request
          So the West is not an example now ... rather the opposite. No.
          One new German power is worth something ... yes, any of their entire vegetable garden.
          1. ViacheslavS
            ViacheslavS 6 January 2022 10: 54
            -1
            There is no two-partism in Germany or France. As in many other western countries.


            They are not bipartisan, because there are more than two parties.
            1. bayard
              bayard 6 January 2022 11: 31
              0
              Here I am about the same. But man dreams of "bipartisanship" and cites it as a model and universal means of success.
              1. l7yzo
                l7yzo 6 January 2022 19: 26
                0
                Well, you see, you missed the point - why do you need 2 or more parties? They are by the way of interest to their class / community. Any society consists of several communities and they, by definition, have different world views and solutions, and so on. That's what I mean. Here I am talking about a system of balances. And not just type 2-3 and cool. Not salt in general. In general, I recommend social engineering for study.
              2. l7yzo
                l7yzo 6 January 2022 19: 59
                0
                So I say - you have your own view. I have another, my own. We are different. Here's why. And the fact that there are parties and politicians are so characters - well, in the essence of my words there is no denial or confirmation - I said that they use the shift to relieve "tension". You have already decided that. In general, I did not give anybody any conclusion on this matter.
          2. aglet
            aglet 6 January 2022 10: 54
            +1
            "Today an ANTI-TERRORIST operation is being carried out in Kazakhstan"
            and who decided that the Protestants are TERRORISTS? current government? besides their words and wishes, are there any facts about the dominance of terrorists? half of the population of kazakhstan went to terrorists, and the authorities just noticed it? and is this power?
            1. bayard
              bayard 6 January 2022 11: 33
              -2
              Quote: aglet
              and who decided that the Protestants are TERRORISTS? current government?

              Not only she, but also the leaderships of all CSTO member countries. Therefore, the CSTO Peacekeeping Forces are being introduced.
              1. aglet
                aglet 6 January 2022 11: 54
                +1
                "Not only she, but also the leaderships of all CSTO member countries."
                and these, too, only noticed yesterday? troops enter by request their president, but Peskov said the other day that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan, he did not speak about any terrorists, he probably didn’t know
                1. bayard
                  bayard 6 January 2022 12: 20
                  +1
                  In your virtual reality, the head of the Russian Federation is ... Peskov?
                  And of course, the decision to provide assistance with the CSTO peacekeepers was made at the request of the President of Kazakhstan.
                  The Russian Federation sent troops to Syria at the request of the President of Syria.
                  What is wrong with you?
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 6 January 2022 12: 28
                    +3
                    Sands, as it is known even in a parallel universe, is Putin's talking head, that is, what is in Putin's head, is in the language of Sands. when the heads of the ODKB noticed that half of the Kazakhs are terrorists, and foreign ones? also yesterday, how tokayev?
                    "And who decided that the Protestants are TERRORISTS? the current government?"
                    Not only she, but also the leaderships of all CSTO member countries. Therefore, the CSTO Peacekeeping Forces are being introduced "
                    didn't you say that?
          3. l7yzo
            l7yzo 6 January 2022 19: 23
            -1
            Yes, I read it, thanks. I see you have a slender and clear picture of the world. But I see you did not understand me. I'm not talking about the Catholicism of parties, but about the fact that any even super holy party or society will still reveal the interests of one group or community. And society usually consists of at least 3 - warriors, merchants and artisans / farmers. And that is why the alternation of parties is necessary - that they replaced each other and therefore tightened the interests of their voters (well, there, or communities).
          4. l7yzo
            l7yzo 6 January 2022 19: 32
            -1
            Have you been there at least once or maybe they told you how they live there?
            1. bayard
              bayard 7 January 2022 01: 28
              +1
              I'm actually from Donetsk.
              Can I tell you how people live here?
              The last 8 years?
              Or HOW did it happen in Ukraine?
              There, after all, they also talked about "the wonderful future of Ukraine."
              And they immediately began to kill.
              So you do the same.
              1. l7yzo
                l7yzo 7 January 2022 08: 50
                +1
                So they did not live in Kazakhstan.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 7 January 2022 09: 58
                  0
                  Noooo bully did not happen.
          5. Revival
            Revival 6 January 2022 20: 45
            0
            "The President of Kazakhstan classified the events in the country as foreign intervention by gangs of international terrorists."

            And Ukraine keeps declaring that it is at war with us, all our troops are attacking it, right?
        3. Simple
          Simple 6 January 2022 11: 34
          +3
          Quote: l7yzo
          It just ran out of capacity and everything poured out, and the trigger event can be anything at all, it doesn't matter at all. I say it again - there should be a system of balances in power, well, like in the West - 2 parties,


          And what will these two parties decide?
          Why is someone persistently trying to impose the Western model of "democracy" on everyone indiscriminately?

          Explain with the example of the transition from Cyrillic to Latin - what did this give Kazakhstan?

          Countries should communicate and, if possible, build friendly relations, first of all, with their neighbors.
          1. l7yzo
            l7yzo 6 January 2022 19: 30
            -1
            In general, I'm not trying to anyone. You are trying to convince me of this. I spoke about the fact that we are all different, the people of the country consists of a large number of layers. You can combine many small ones into several large ones, closer in interests. And from them the party. And you tell me all the same. Do you understand the essence of the game at all? What are they in general, and what for is the party system?
            1. Simple
              Simple 7 January 2022 00: 50
              +1
              what for is the party system?


              That was the right question.
              In Kazakhstan, all power rests on the clans and not on the parties.
              And parties are secondary (in Kazakhstan).
              1. l7yzo
                l7yzo 7 January 2022 09: 02
                +1
                Do you think this is another redistribution between the clans? But a friend from Donetsk thinks that the West is doing it all.
                In general, back in the zero years, many said that the dashing 90 were current in Russia. The rest of the republics of the type have passed this stage. But something said that this stage of formation is impossible to slip through. Basically, it just happens now. Yes, there is influence, both external and internal.
                1. Simple
                  Simple 7 January 2022 10: 59
                  +1
                  I believe that clannishness in Kazakhstan, archaic for modern times, plus dense nationalism
                  gave:
                  at the government level - to get in the way of all sorts of muddy NGOs, moreover, very deliberately.
                  At the level of deep nationalism - "we want to live like in Sweden."
                  How does one and the same technology to overthrow power work for decades?
                  The answer is quite simple - since those chosen to overthrow the government for the sovereignty of their country are working ineffectively. As a result, the well-being of ordinary people falls.
                  The latter, in view of his low education (an important component of the country's sovereignty) and nationalism pumped up from outside, no longer looks at his country, but at, for example, Sweden (for the sake of justice - whose citizens do not live so well either - but there is also democracy;).
                  State sovereignty is the prerogative of countries, the number of which can be counted on the fingers of one hand. For all other countries = under the sauce of democracy = teach a resigned resource base (including human).
        4. Dron_sk
          Dron_sk 7 January 2022 18: 24
          +2
          The solutions are very clear. To begin with, restore order and the peaceful course of life with a tough, forceful method, end anarchy and restore statehood. Kazakhstan is 90% an Asian state, so peace negotiations there will not help, besides, the core around which the protesters rallied are trained terrorists with weapons, and not peaceful workers of factories and factories who came out for demonstrations. Modern China also began with a brutal suppression of dissent in Tiananmen Square in 1989. And then, after the restoration of order, like it or not, the Kazakh elites will have to start creating a fairer economy in their country, they will need to share more with the people and grab less into their own pockets. I do not agree with the unequivocal formulation of our Foreign Ministry that the reason for these events in Kazakhstan is the influence of the West, this is only a secondary reason that organized and set fire to the fuse. And the main reasons are the accumulated dissatisfaction of the citizens of Kazakhstan with life and the state of affairs within the country. But anarchy will definitely not make life better for Kazakhs. So to restore statehood, and begin to rebuild the economy, improving the well-being of the people, reducing the fat of local oligarchs, parochialism in power and corruption.
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 6 January 2022 09: 44
        +3
        bayard Putin has one "infantryman" who knows the Koran perfectly, and pacifies the inadequate master ... Terrorists must be eliminated and order established.

        Will you go to Kazakhstan to help you and together with Putin's "infantryman" will go to put things in order, or will you just "scratch" with your tongue?
        1. bayard
          bayard 6 January 2022 10: 51
          +6
          Yes, I’m already living in the war for eight years, I’m all familiar and familiar.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          with Putin's "infantryman" you will go to Kazakhstan to restore order

          Well, if they call, why not go?
          Only now I am no longer fit for mobilization. But with Ramzan, why not go?
          And do not worry so much smile , the Russian Federation is already preparing peacekeepers to send them to Kazakhstan. Do you follow the news?
          In these events, the Russian authorities act surprisingly sensibly and efficiently.
          Or do you have a different opinion?
      5. Adagka
        Adagka 6 January 2022 10: 10
        +3
        Well, these have always been "heroes" to fight unarmed
      6. fsgt
        fsgt 6 January 2022 11: 41
        +1
        defeated and eliminated must be those through whose fault this becomes possible. and they are certainly not ordinary people who go out on the street.
        “With the nationalization of all their assets,” you, comrade, made a mistake in the era.
        1. bayard
          bayard 6 January 2022 12: 09
          +7
          Quote: Fsgt
          defeated and eliminated should be those through whose fault this becomes possible

          Are you talking about an American company that raised the prices of liquefied gas for cars?
          I completely agree with you.
          Moreover, I even proposed measures to prevent such an outrage in the future.
          Do you even know that almost all oil and gas fields in Kazakhstan belong to the Americans?
          And what kind of welfare of the people, in this case, can we talk about?
          Quote: Fsgt
          and they are certainly not ordinary people who go out on the street.

          "Ordinary people" with machine guns do not run through the streets, do not kill police officers and military men, do not burn hundreds of police cars and Army armored personnel carriers, do not rob shops, ATMs, state institutions do not burn ... do not rape under the guise of local residents ...
          Ordinary people in such a situation sit at home, so as not to fall under the distribution of alien gangs. Or they are organized for self-defense against these very gangs, which is already happening in Alma-Ata.
          Or for you "ordinary people" are only bandits, pogrom-mongers, rapists and robbers?
          Quote: Fsgt
          “With the nationalization of all their assets,” you, comrade, made a mistake in the era.

          No, I was not mistaken.
          For example, Putin nationalized (returned to state ownership) a huge number of enterprises, thereby saving these industries, loading them with orders and providing tax revenues to the budget, as well as deductions from profits (to the State as a shareholder) ...
          Was it in some other era?
          The entire oil and gas industry in Kazakhstan is owned by foreigners, mainly the United States. And one of these companies, for no reason at all, raises domestic prices for liquefied gas twice.
          And protests, street fights, attempts to overthrow the government and lynch officials and military / police officers immediately begin. And the "peaceful" pogromists no longer need a reduction in the gas price (and it was immediately reduced to its previous value), or other concessions from the authorities (the resignation of Nazarbayev and the government) ... they simply act according to Sharpe's training manual, and in an express mode.
          And I am not making excuses for the authorities of Kazakhstan - these are also those grabber and nationalists.
          But I don’t want Russia to have a new Afghanistan from the south, I don’t want millions of Russian people to suffer in this former Soviet republic.
          And oddly enough ... the Russian authorities do not want this either.
          And all the leaderships of the CSTO member states ... do not want such a neighborhood either.
          Therefore, it was decided to provide military assistance with a contingent of peacekeepers from all CSTO countries. For this, this defensive alliance was created.
          1. aglet
            aglet 6 January 2022 12: 38
            +3
            “For example, Putin nationalized (returned to state ownership) a huge number of enterprises, thereby saving these industries, loading them with orders and providing tax revenues to the budget, as well as deductions from profits (to the State as a shareholder) ...
            Was it in some other era?
            The entire oil and gas industry of Kazakhstan belongs to foreigners "
            about Putin, three times ha. who owns rosneft? Who are the main beneficiaries in Gazprom? And who allowed the currency from the sale of oil, gas and other raw materials not to be returned to the Russian budget, but to be buried in offshores? and in general, only losses are nationalized in our country, and profits are successfully privatized
            1. bayard
              bayard 6 January 2022 12: 51
              -3
              After the nationalization of Yukos and a number of other companies, the budget of the Russian Federation finally began to receive money. Today, up to 50% of the budget revenues are tax revenues from the sale of oil, gas and coal.
              When Yukos belonged to Khodorkovsky, taxes were practically not paid. For this, he sat down for 10 years.
              If such a privatization is carried out in Kazakhstan, tax revenues from the oil and gas industry will go to the budget. Is it bad ?
              For Russia it became "Good!" , everyone immediately felt it, the salaries of state employees began to grow, the country began to develop.
              And Kazakhstan will have additional resources, including for social programs and development.
              And the United States and Britain will lose their leverage over Kazakhstan's policy in many ways. And they will not be able to finance their NGOs at the expense of Kazakh resources.
              1. aglet
                aglet 7 January 2022 08: 34
                +2
                "For Russia, it became" Good! "
                when it was, I don’t remember this:
                salaries of state employees began to grow, the country began to develop .. are you talking about raising salaries and pensions at the National Guard? or about raising the retirement age for other people? and which country began to develop? GDP growth at the level of statistical error is this development? but prices are developing successfully, no worse than in Kazakhstan
                1. bayard
                  bayard 7 January 2022 09: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  , the country began to develop .. are you talking about raising wages and pensions at the National Guard? or about raising the retirement age for other people?

                  This is me about the events after 2005, when the Russian Federation paid off its foreign debts, canceled the "Agreement on the division of the product" (remember this one? It was concluded by Yeltsin?). Then Yukos was already nationalized, the agreement on LNG on Sakhalin was rewritten (when Putin forced foreign shareholders to transfer 50 + 1% of the shares of Russia). That's when the real money went to the budget. And from that moment on, they began to regularly increase wages ahead of the growth rates of the economy and labor productivity. The population began to be pulled out of poverty.
                  Why did the bourgeoisie need it?
                  For the formation of the "middle class" as a support for the ruling power in the elections, for the formation and expansion of the internal market (!), Which in turn stimulated consumer demand for goods and services, and as a result - stimulated small and medium-sized businesses (it had buyers) ...
                  And the growth of the economy in those years (from 2005 to 2012) was at the level of 6 - 7% per year.
                  And then growth slowed down.
                  And since 2014, sanctions have come.
                  And the new "gentlemen" categorically did not want to cut their incomes. Therefore, they began to increase their incomes not by increasing production and productivity, but by ... raising prices ... establishing new taxes, fees and fines ... by plundering and "bankruptcy" of "non-state pension funds" ... by increasing retirement age ( hi ), devaluation of the ruble ...
                  So there was a period of high growth rates in Russia. Not long, but it was enough to form a "middle class" in the Russian Federation and ... brainless uryakalok.
                  And then stagnation began.
                  But until 2014, the growth of household income per year averaged about 10%. The people at that time got used to living better and more fun every year. The same period saw the frenzied growth in the popularity of the Guarantor.
                  Then there was inertia in the perception, impoverishment was perceived as a temporary, but forced measure. The Crimean Consensus also helped (several years) ... And then ...
                  And then the authorities raised the flag of their new economic policy under the slogan: "The people are the new OIL".
                  Quote: aglet
                  GDP growth at the level of statistical error is this development?

                  No - it's stagnation and recession. Rosstat figures are fiction and hoax.
                  Quote: aglet
                  but prices are developing successfully, no worse than in Kazakhstan

                  What do you know about fuel prices (gasoline, salar, gas engine fuel)? Prices there are traditionally the LOWEST in the post-Soviet space. Much lower than in Russia.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 7 January 2022 09: 22
                    0
                    "What do you know about fuel prices (gasoline, salara, gas motor fuel)? Prices there are traditionally the LOWEST"
                    Well, I'm not so backward, I am aware of their prices, as well as about the fact that there is a lot of fuel from the Russian Federation. But I meant the prices not only for fuel, but in general, for life. they are developing very successfully here
                  2. aglet
                    aglet 7 January 2022 09: 24
                    0
                    "Rosstat figures are fiction and hoax"
                    here I completely agree with you
          2. Revival
            Revival 6 January 2022 20: 51
            0
            “The entire oil and gas industry in Kazakhstan is owned by foreigners, mainly the United States. And one of these companies, for no reason at all, doubles domestic prices for liquefied gas.
            And immediately protests, street fights, attempts to overthrow the government and lynch officials and military / police officers begin. And the "peaceful" pogromists no longer need a reduction in the price of gas (and it was immediately reduced to its previous value). "

            So, according to you:
            1. America raised gas prices for protests.
            2. America cut gas prices to calm protests.

            Something strange you have logic !?
    3. horror
      horror 6 January 2022 07: 50
      +12
      More worries are in what position the Russians will find themselves in Kazakhstan.
    4. ivan2022
      ivan2022 6 January 2022 09: 53
      -3
      Quote: bnm.99
      "The hour is not even off, Kazakhstan will fall apart into the very three zhuzes, of which it was collected in the USSR." Will disintegrate - and Allah is with him. They themselves chose the path of building a Nazi ethnocracy - and let them slurp it with a spoon.

      We will have to eat. As always, the United States is in charge of the house of the Kazakhs on the former Soviet territory. for 25 years at least. In the meantime, we continue to engage in our clever reasoning about the problems on June 22, 1941.
      Degradation is already bearing fruit, and Allah is with you all! You have chosen your path.
      1. Asad
        Asad 6 January 2022 11: 54
        0
        It cannot be said that there are no Russian companies among the founders of large mining companies. The share will certainly be smaller.
  5. codetalker
    codetalker 6 January 2022 04: 36
    +10
    New blockbuster “Peaceful Protests. We want it like in Sweden. " From the creators of the acclaimed “Onizhedeti. We want lace panties. " Already in the cinema and on all television screens in the country.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 January 2022 09: 52
      -3
      Quote: codetalker
      New blockbuster “Peaceful Protests. We want it like in Sweden. " From the creators of the acclaimed “Onizhedeti. We want lace panties. " Already in the cinema and on all television screens in the country.

      I am looking forward to the final program of Kiselev about the events in Kazakhstan .... he will tell us about the "Hydra of Empireism" and about the "dispossessed" red-bays ....
      1. Simple
        Simple 6 January 2022 11: 47
        -2
        Well then, do not engage in self-mozaism.
  6. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 6 January 2022 05: 03
    +18
    The rebels are certainly not fluffy bunnies, but it was the Nazarbayev gang that brought it to this. And there will definitely not be a good outcome. Either they will tighten all the nuts, or everything will go haywire.
    Really scary for the Russian people there. They will be cut like rams, because absolutely any government will gladly transfer arrows to them.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 January 2022 06: 47
      +9
      Everyone is good there. And those who follow Nazarbayev's will be even worse.
      1. bayard
        bayard 6 January 2022 08: 03
        0
        Quote: mmaxx
        Everyone is good there. And those who follow Nazarbayev's will be even worse.

        So maybe it's time to return to the old Soviet practice?
        Then the representatives of the local clans themselves asked Moscow - "Send us a RUSSIAN, he will reconcile us all. Otherwise, we will cut each other." And indeed - they sent and reconciled everyone.
        The second largest community in Kazakhstan is Russian. But it is not represented at all in the authorities.
        And in vain!
        That's why all this mess.
        The ideal would be if the prime minister was a Russian under the president of a Kazakh.
        And the power ministers are also better than the Russians - they themselves will say thank you later.
        In the meantime, send the Chechen special forces "Infantryman Putin" there - he has long been eager to fight. Now it’s right now.
        As part of the CSTO Joint Peacekeeping Corps.
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 January 2022 10: 10
          +3
          Quote: bayard
          Otherwise we will cut each other. "And indeed - they sent and reconciled everyone.

          1985 ... they removed Kunaev and sent a Russian from Moscow ...
          and riots began
          1. bayard
            bayard 6 January 2022 11: 21
            -2
            I knew one general whom Karimov begged for himself from Moscow when the massacre began in the Fergana Valley - Uzbeks and Meskhetian Turks. Martial law was then introduced, Karimov transferred all power to him (over all power and administrative structures) over half of Uzbekistan ... I thought the Army would have to suppress, and bloody ... But he took ... and reconciled everyone. I gathered aksakals, elders, talked to everyone ... and everything calmed down.
            So Karimov did not want to let him go, he persuaded Gorbachev to leave him ... otherwise, he said, they would fight again.
            And there were other similar cases even earlier. They themselves understood that they would quarrel for power and positions, and therefore they asked, "Send us a Russian, then no one (any clan) will be offended."
            Quote: your1970
            they removed Kunaev and sent a Russian from Moscow ...

            It has already come from the Khrushchev times that the first secretary in the national republic should be a representative of the titular nation, so they became offended. Yes, and the Union has already begun to sway from about that time. Or maybe they did not guess with the candidacy. I am not familiar with the details of your case.
          2. Simple
            Simple 6 January 2022 11: 55
            0
            1985 ... they removed Kunaev and sent a Russian from Moscow ...

            Well, I don't like Russian - put the Chinese. :)
            Yes, in principle. what's the difference - these three zhuzes will forever shake up the power. And there will always be someone willing to take advantage of this.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 6 January 2022 10: 40
          +7
          According to Kazakh Russians, they are not oppressed. But completely pushed to the sidelines. You can't even become a minimal leader. Live like this. And the Kazakhs will be the bosses and politicians.
          I wonder where they get to with this approach? Business qualities are not important. It is important: 1) to be the titular nation and 2) from the corresponding clan.
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 January 2022 11: 35
            -1
            Quote: mmaxx
            It is important: 1) to be the titular nation and 2) from the corresponding clan.

            3 point forgot - "Red book e-e-st?"
            And so yes - there always came to power even as the chairman of the collective farm - put forward all the relatives
          2. V means B
            V means B 6 January 2022 11: 46
            0
            And so no, they don't oppress))))
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    2. MikhailRus
      MikhailRus 6 January 2022 08: 46
      .
      They are leading a contingent, corpses will appear through our fault, and then they will begin to kill people. We have no right to send military units there.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 6 January 2022 10: 02
        -2
        Quote: MikhailRus
        We have no right to send military units there.

        You do not know well the norms of international law, the troops can be introduced either by the decision of the UN or as in the SAR, at the request of the current government of the country where they are being introduced, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan has already turned to the CSTO countries for help ...
        1. MikhailRus
          MikhailRus 6 January 2022 11: 21
          -8
          Tomorrow Putin will apply too. Will you take it normally?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 6 January 2022 11: 23
            -1
            Quote: MikhailRus
            Tomorrow Putin will apply too. Will you take it normally?

            What do you care about the president of my country?
            1. MikhailRus
              MikhailRus 6 January 2022 12: 35
              .
              My country is the USSR. And your neo-feudal oligarchic Putin. How are you doing with the collar? Doesn't it press?
      2. bayard
        bayard 6 January 2022 11: 29
        +5
        Quote: MikhailRus
        We have no right to send military units there.

        There is such a right. Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO, he turned to the CSTO for help and the CSTO has already made a decision on the introduction of peacekeeping troops. Moreover, these forces will be represented by divisions and units of all participating countries.
        Moreover, the events are classified by the President of Kazakhstan as foreign intervention by terrorist gangs. For such cases, the CSTO was created.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 January 2022 09: 57
      -5
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Really scary for the Russian people there. They will be cut like rams, because absolutely any government will gladly transfer arrows to them.

      A decision was made to enter the CSTO "MS", Russian refugees will leave for the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan under the protection of the troops of the Central Military District ... dispense with, especially if the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan join the protesters ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 January 2022 11: 39
        -3
        You imagine their areas ???? !!
        Less than 10 paved roads go from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation - quite effectively blocked by FPS.
        In general, the FPS is quite effective in protecting the border - it is quite enough to reinforce them by adding helicopter pilots and that's it ...
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 6 January 2022 05: 42
    +17
    The rebels put forward very interesting demands.
    Of course, according to rumors:
    Stop vaccination.
    Allow polygamy.
    Pensions for mothers with many children from 50 years old.
    Free vacation vouchers for working people.
    I do not have a detailed list, but they say that there are a lot of requirements regarding working conditions, working hours, safety measures, etc. directly related to various industries. Obviously, it was all very neglected there.
    The clan system is very strong there. At one time, with the arrival of Soviet power in the region, the power and influence of the clans replaced
    orders from Moscow. The collapse of the USSR returned to square one and family and clan rule. No matter how they slip into a real civil war.
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 January 2022 06: 18
    +6
    Yes. The security services missed the impending explosion, but the friendly embassies did not tell me. Everything was mixed up in a heap. Both nationalism and the binding of gas prices to market norms. I don’t undertake to make a forecast. When nationalism grows in countries instead of moral education, everything is possible.
  9. avia12005
    avia12005 6 January 2022 06: 29
    +2
    Another fruits of the Kremlin's wait-and-see policy in the post-Soviet space. While we are launching "Zircons" and ahead of the rest of the world in armaments, the West is meanly kindling the fires of "color revolutions". There is no antidote yet. Or they don't want to use it.

    If this goes on, it’s not far from the fire in Russia itself. Until riots start in the United States and Europe, they won't let us live in peace, isn't that clear?

    It is necessary to blow up the West from the inside, to act in the same way as it acts in relation to us. There is no other way. Or war.
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 6 January 2022 07: 10
      +15
      But how can we blow up the West when there are real estate of our fellow citizens, children are learning. laughing After all, everything will burn with a blue flame. wink
      1. V means B
        V means B 6 January 2022 11: 48
        +1
        Therefore, "let's fuck around Voronezh there are no ours")))))
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 6 January 2022 09: 46
      +2
      The best counteraction is a developed economy and a happy people that Russia cannot do.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 January 2022 06: 58
    +11
    The second feature of what is happening is the vague position of the armed forces. More precisely, outright sabotage greater parts of power structures. ...
    But this is serious.
  11. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 6 January 2022 07: 08
    +5
    Yes, I agree with the author. They can hit the Armed Forces in Donbass. To open a second front, so to speak.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 January 2022 10: 08
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Yes, I agree with the author. They can hit the Armed Forces in Donbass. To open a second front, so to speak.

      Turning the entire Left-Bank Ukraine into one big "cauldron" ....
  12. Sad235
    Sad235 6 January 2022 07: 46
    +6
    This is a call to our authorities. Not even a call, but an alarm. We must turn our face to the people And on whose affairs there is practically no sense. It is from these national projects, if people go to the shops with eyes on their foreheads. In December I bought pills for myself 948 rubles, and yesterday went and 1036, cool yes.? This I gave a private example. Maybe well, he fucking barks with the whole world, hoping for some kind of exclusivity. other and so on We want to destroy the whole world Yes there is enough money spent on these deadly toys to completely repair all schools in Russia We urgently need to deal with young people, and this requires a lot of money Sports, leisure, some kind of intelligible ideology I expressed my opinion, of course that hurray-patriots will open up now, but it's no longer possible to live like this
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 January 2022 10: 14
      +5
      Quote: Sad235
      Yes, the money spent on these deadly toys is enough to completely renovate all schools in Russia

      It has already happened, we have already passed it, in the 1990s ...
      Did the withdrawal of money from the defense industry help schools / retirees? Oha ....
      1. Sad235
        Sad235 6 January 2022 11: 16
        +4
        Enough already living in the past 90 - e this is who.? These are all our people. So to speak, a new historical community. Remember.? What was confiscated there.? There was nothing to take away. Enough already, when there is nothing to say, then the 90s or Ukraine. Now the budget is swelling with money, but there’s no point. And this is generally an advantageous position. Remember.? Remember about pensions for working people.? The leader said the government put it So with indexation To fight with the whole world is pointless, For as you know, for every htru ... .. I have been here in a student dormitory of a technical school. I have never heard such a thick mat in the army.
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 January 2022 11: 31
          -4
          Quote: Sad235
          I have never heard such a thick mat in the army.

          Mmm .... that is, you have to whip your parents? For the fact that the children were not brought up? Moreover, it is desirable in the squares and in public, otherwise it will not reach the parents born in the USSR, by the way ...
          1. Sad235
            Sad235 6 January 2022 11: 47
            +3
            And for what parents? For the life they were given.? In our regional center, 30 thousand is the limit of a dream, but in regional centers.? People are obsessed with how to feed themselves and raising children fades into the background
            1. your1970
              your1970 7 January 2022 00: 16
              -2
              Quote: Sad235
              People are obsessed with how to feed themselves and raising children fades into the background

              So if the parents do not care !!! what kind of upbringing / education can we talk about ????
              1. Sad235
                Sad235 7 January 2022 07: 13
                -1
                And what is more important, to feed or educate Type to combine.? Try Most children, the parents of Pavka Korchagina are not in vogue today
                1. your1970
                  your1970 7 January 2022 10: 57
                  -2
                  Quote: Sad235
                  Like to combine.?

                  In my regional center in 2009 there were 9300 registered cars - now 17.
                  I went through a technical inspection in November, a master friend said that the traffic cops give them monthly statistics, which means that with the number of the district at 32, there are practically no families left in the district with 000 car. Everywhere 1 ...
                  And yet - living after the war was hundreds of times harder than it is now. And grandfather and grandmother plowed like the damned. And mother and aunt wore altered coats.
                  And they grew up as people ..
                  They practically did not see their father at all - he worked in special communications after he was booked out - he came to report for the packages and ate at home and again to the steppe. And it doesn't matter - day is night ...

                  And the current ones pay off with iPhones / computers / tablets / others - if only the children do not bother them ...
                  In our country, the life of ordinary hard workers has never been easy, never ..
    2. ammunition
      ammunition 6 January 2022 10: 24
      -2
      Quote: Sad235
      merciless Russian revolt ........ but live like that already must not

      In Russia ... catastrophes followed such slogans.
      1. Sad235
        Sad235 6 January 2022 11: 17
        +3
        This is not a slogan, this is a statement of facts
    3. vervolk
      vervolk 6 January 2022 12: 06
      +4
      that a rise in price by 88 rubles seems big to you? Where were you, uncle, hiding when we had 800 percent annual inflation? a particular example. I was a student, a scholarship of 8 thousand. pie with liver a thousand rubles. Here is such arithmetic, but with the whole world they lived in harmony and friend Bill shook his paw to each other Borka. Maybe I and others have forgotten everything? no, go to the "echo of Moscow" with your anti-Russian propaganda. and here your crying Yaroslavna is useless! Muammar Kadaffia had the cheapest communal apartment in all of Africa. water is free, the roads are excellent. only that the air defense was crap and there were no Poseidons with zircons. I spent money on the people. to Jamakheria. on the kindergartens of the hospital kindergartens. and where is Libya now? rolled it out and turned it into a terrorist sanctuary. you want such a fate for Russia? will not work!
      1. Sad235
        Sad235 6 January 2022 12: 29
        -3
        Let's not exaggerate It is on people like you that our power rests On such stubborn, terry reactionaries And what's the point of you
        1. vervolk
          vervolk 6 January 2022 12: 41
          -1
          you began to exaggerate with your pills. And yes, power rests on me and people like me. people like me volunteered for the second campaign, did not allow the state to collapse at the beginning of the XNUMXs, and now we will not allow the situation to be rocked on the street. and not only me personally, but we will use all the forces and organizations available to us.
          1. Sad235
            Sad235 6 January 2022 13: 51
            -3
            In the second company of volunteers. Where is it.?
            1. vervolk
              vervolk 6 January 2022 14: 34
              -1
              for Russians, the expressions the first campaign and the second campaign are self-explanatory. and everyone else smoke bamboo ...
              1. Sad235
                Sad235 6 January 2022 15: 33
                -1
                I only know the Chechen campaigns. But there are volunteers. ??.?
                1. vervolk
                  vervolk 6 January 2022 15: 34
                  -3
                  and who do you think the double bass is?
                  1. Sad235
                    Sad235 6 January 2022 16: 17
                    -1
                    Double basses, as you put it, are contract soldiers But they are always part of the unit And voluntariness is not practiced there
                    1. vervolk
                      vervolk 6 January 2022 16: 27
                      0
                      what a heavy and boring person you are. I explain for those who are not in the subject. then in 2000X it was like that. you come to the military registration and enlistment office and there are contracts for signing. in a locker in the Trans-Baikal Territory, to the Pacific Ocean, or, for example, to a warhead in the Caucasus. to choose from. someone took and chose to go to the Caucasus. fight. there were such people from all over Russia. it was possible to farce on the roar. Western grants could be used up for the development of democracy, cars could be distilled from Poland or Japan. it was possible to the Caucasus. there you could kill, you could be taken prisoner, where your head will be cut off, you could be blown up by a mine and return home without a leg. but people were driving and the situation changed. but this is all so personal lyrics here you can read in more detail: https://www.warchechnya.ru/rossijskie-kontraktniki-v-chechne/
                      1. Sad235
                        Sad235 6 January 2022 17: 02
                        -2
                        And where, if not a secret, did you volunteer at the feds or where.?
                      2. vervolk
                        vervolk 6 January 2022 19: 18
                        0
                        listen. if you haven't understood yet from the context of our conversation, then I'm afraid to explain it is completely pointless ... hi
                      3. Sad235
                        Sad235 6 January 2022 23: 31
                        -1
                        You, of course, excuse me, but in those days I wore shoulder straps and I know perfectly well who and why went to these companies There was no smell of great patriotism here, the main thing is money However, as now in Syria, people buy business trips for money, so that later have much more like this and try to convince me
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 6 January 2022 15: 21
        +4
        In those days, it seems that every 3 months inflation was 100%.
        And now it is already impossible to live. You people, open your eyes! You must have at least a gram of conscience.
  13. Bakumba
    Bakumba 6 January 2022 07: 59
    +11
    The Russians have been fleeing Kazakhstan for a long time. The Kazakhs will not live like in Sweden, but before that they will slaughter the Russians for a long time and tastefully. And ours will send humanitarian convoys. This is what the power of the old people who do not want to part with it leads to!
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 6 January 2022 12: 41
      -4
      tell me how many Russians are slaughtered in transnistria?
  14. YOUR.
    YOUR. 6 January 2022 08: 17
    +2
    they are lynched here from their own guns

    Bravo!
    I applaud while standing!
    Mister Lynch would be delighted with such a figure of speech :)
    And yes, no matter how collective the forces of the CSTO are, they will be regarded in Kazakhstan as occupational.
    And for some reason, I strongly doubt that the Armenians and the Kyrgyz, who are not able to put things in order in their home, will bring it in a foreign country.
  15. Hyper_X
    Hyper_X 6 January 2022 08: 37
    -6
    Those. zhinshchina, the mother of her children on the street, with a poster, tired of the local authorities, tired of living in radical poverty? author, well, turn on the brain ...
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    2. sifgame
      sifgame 6 January 2022 14: 38
      0
      You never know what kind of woman she is, there was one such woman in Ukraine with a poster with panties, you also can't say that a radical is just a fool, but no, babeshka has a track record.
    3. Alex 34091
      Alex 34091 6 January 2022 17: 13
      +1
      A woman's mother in this case is just an action out of attraction, so that people like you try to sway public opinion in the direction you need, and at this time trained guys are storming the administration and seizing all sorts of police departments with weapons, but for some reason you don't mention this, I'll say it mildly, look at the situation one-sidedly.
  16. Dimy4
    Dimy4 6 January 2022 08: 47
    +1
    Most of the appointments and personnel changes are carried out not on the basis of abilities, but according to a kindred logic. Or for bribes.

    And there was when it was different?
  17. fiberboard
    fiberboard 6 January 2022 08: 52
    +1
    No people can be brought out on the street against the government, if this government cares about its people. And they apparently, like us, have a separate power, the people are separate. People came out and support the opponents of the regime, and everywhere. In Ukraine, there was a division - some regions supported the coup, others were against. Even in one region, in one family, there were different opinions - one brother remembered that he was Russian and went to the militia, the other went to the National Battalion, to fight for "Ridna Ukraina". In Ukraine, brother went against brother. And in Kazakhstan, the siloviki simply stand aside and wait to see who will win. Much still depends on the leader - one with a gun and sons rides encourages the security forces, the other screeches hysterically in Russian from the screen, demands from the "Great Commander" Pashinyan to enter the CSTO troops. And the fact that the bulk of the CSTO troops are Russians, and they do not mind, is understandable. It is also clear what attitude the Kazakhs will have towards the local Russians, and what this will lead to. Well, how can you not remember their colleague, the fact that against the children who came out in support of Navalny, he threw the security forces in hysterics. All the channels were hysterical, vilifying the insidious youth and proving the rights of the "nude" to power in the country.
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 January 2022 10: 21
      +5
      Quote: fiberboard
      No people can be brought out on the street against the government, if this government cares about its people. And they apparently, like us, have separate power, people separate

      1962, Novocherkassk
      1985, Alma-Ata
      Apparently it was also
      Quote: fiberboard
      power separately, people separately
      ??
      Yes???


      Quote: fiberboard
      against the children who came out in support of Navalny, he threw the security forces in hysterics.

      Mmmm .... an absolutely democratic USA has already issued the first protesters in the Capitol from 5 years and more in prison.
      Can you catch the difference between 15 days "onizhedetyam" and 5 years in prison ??
  18. Dimy4
    Dimy4 6 January 2022 09: 13
    +4
    Quote: Sad235
    In short, we will fence ourselves off from the whole world with a thorn with minefields and we will quietly rot

    Yes, not quietly, but at an accelerated pace. It is enough to get about 400 kilometers away from the hero-city of Moscow. All FAPs in our area have been eliminated, most of the bus routes in the district and in the region have been removed, one of the two schools has been liquidated, the students have been dragged to the remaining one, where they will no longer be crowded. And only one place is growing, growing in our country - the cemetery, and the dead are not so old, somewhere around 50-60 years old. And the list of such "achievements" of the current government is far from complete.
    1. Sad235
      Sad235 6 January 2022 10: 18
      -2
      Here you understand, And patriots of the minuses of the second dozen throw me there
  19. flight attendant
    flight attendant 6 January 2022 09: 26
    0
    I look for the lacy panties in turn. Well, well, they weren't rich and fucking start
  20. DarTay
    DarTay 6 January 2022 09: 34
    -8
    Another blow to the Chinese. Tan clearly follows its strategy of ousting China from everywhere, China will leave Kazakhstan, Turkey will come there with its "great Turan." the situation becomes aggravated, then we will see this plan.
  21. MauZerR
    MauZerR 6 January 2022 09: 51
    -4
    So much for "stability" ...
  22. Adagka
    Adagka 6 January 2022 09: 58
    +1
    History loves to repeat itself, and if someone thinks that it is possible to rob the people forever, he is greatly mistaken, neither the Praetorians, nor the gendarmes, nor anyone else will save.
  23. da Vinci
    da Vinci 6 January 2022 10: 00
    +2
    They will change the strong buys for new ones.
  24. Altdoch
    Altdoch 6 January 2022 10: 04
    +7
    The country of another stagnation under the leadership of Nazarbayev's unchangeable clan, elevated to the face of saints. Doesn't it remind you of anything? For decades, one and the same in power, without obvious signs of prosperity, with terrible corruption, theft, dignity, nepotism and lawlessness. This is not only Kazakhstan, but also Russia and Belarus. There is nothing strange that people want to live differently, including "Like in Sweden"
    1. V means B
      V means B 6 January 2022 11: 55
      0
      You have forgotten Turkmenistan
    2. man
      man 8 January 2022 04: 00
      +1
      Well, let's put in Belarus corruption and theft are not terrifying at all.
  25. gsivbytw
    gsivbytw 6 January 2022 10: 06
    0
    Maydown in Kazakh! Oh, you fools! Who needs you besides ISIS? This "country" is not able to live in modern conditions with medieval clans without a cruel dictatorship! After all, this is exactly what everything in her was going to.
    1. V means B
      V means B 6 January 2022 11: 56
      +1
      Well, they will have the Middle Ages with smartphones)))
    2. man
      man 8 January 2022 04: 05
      -1
      Whether it is the case with us in Mother Russia clans are marvelously modern! Not otherwise did Viktor Davydov advise
  26. El_Jefe_2003
    El_Jefe_2003 6 January 2022 10: 13
    -2
    Well, here again, the poor, poor Russians, it’s for me to take out all the "poor" rukikhs from Ukraine and the Baltic states and from Kazakhstan and close the entire border (with Kazakhstvo) and that's it. They demand something, please, go ahead from all unions. (only who and where do you need in other unions?) admit something, yes, please, we admit we will pay some compensation and live on your own, but you yourself do not seem to be able to live.
    1. man
      man 8 January 2022 04: 12
      0
      Toporkov, is your roof going? What have the poor Russians from Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kazakhstan done to you, that you want to turn them into border posts? You can't be so cruel!
  27. Klingon
    Klingon 6 January 2022 10: 27
    0
    How to live in Sweden? Why not like in Switzerland ??? - The "Indians" have completely forgotten that not so long ago they burned saxaul and dung in yurts and grazed camels ??? wassat
  28. Normal
    Normal 6 January 2022 10: 39
    0
    Events are developing rapidly - even at the end of December, nothing foreshadowed the storm that has now gripped Kazakhstan. Perhaps, there has not been such a rapid escalation of civil conflict in recent history. The unrest began on January 2, and after just three days, all regions of Kazakhstan joined the anti-government riot.

    Consequently, either there is an organization that has prepared and directed anti-government protests throughout Kazakhstan,
    or it is precisely a riot, that is, a spontaneous breakthrough of the accumulated dissatisfaction with the actions of the authorities.
    The unified and ramified anti-government organization of the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan is not in a position to present to the public.
    The second means.

    All according to the old scheme - rumors from the category: "planes are already flying from Moscow and Minsk to Alma-Ata with riot police and the National Guard."

    Gossip?

    Russia has begun to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan as part of the decision to introduce the CSTO peacekeeping forces into the republic. The dispatch of personnel will take place from two airfields in the Moscow region.
    According to the Russian media, at the moment it is known about the inclusion of units from the 26th division and the 45th airborne brigade in the peacekeeping contingent ...

    In social networks, it is reported about the preparation for sending to Kazakhstan of servicemen of the 103rd Airborne Division of the Army of Belarus ...

    Nikol Pashinyan announced an urgent decision to send a peacekeeping contingent of the Collective Security Treaty Organization to the Republic of Kazakhstan on the basis of Article 4 of the treaty. CSTO peacekeepers are brought into the republic for a limited period of time to normalize and stabilize the situation ...
    https://topwar.ru/190868-rossija-nachala-formirovanie-mirotvorcheskogo-kontingenta-dlja-otpravki-v-kazahstan.html

    Three excerpts from an article published on VO. Only the second can be attributed to rumors.
    The rest is no longer rumors, but reality.
  29. Adagka
    Adagka 6 January 2022 10: 39
    +6
    Quote: Klingon
    How to live in Sweden? Why not like in Switzerland ??? - The "Indians" have completely forgotten that not so long ago they burned saxaul and dung in yurts and grazed camels ??? wassat

    Okay with the Kazakhs, why can't you live in Russia not even like in Sweden, but at least like in Poland?
  30. Adagka
    Adagka 6 January 2022 10: 46
    0
    Quote: Sad235
    Here you understand, And patriots of the minuses of the second dozen throw me there

    Kremlebots work out a bowl of stew, all according to the manual, inagents, the State Department, the Maidan, whatever you want, like in Ukraine, Nazi terrorists. In general, everyone is to blame, but not the Nazarbayev gang.
  31. BAI
    BAI 6 January 2022 11: 06
    +1
    What does the "vague position of the siloviki" mean? Very intelligible - the example of Ukraine is before my eyes. With a change of power, the consequences of participation will be worse than from inaction while maintaining power. And of course - the protest is not spontaneous, everything is organized in advance from the outside. Only with the collapse of the state, the main beneficiary will not be Europe, but China. He will pick up these territories. Its influence and investments in Kazakhstan are much larger than European ones.
  32. Oleg133
    Oleg133 6 January 2022 11: 21
    +4
    "The government made concessions" - shouted. The government SHOULD do this on a daily basis. Including in the Russian Federation.
    The terrorist people demand normal living conditions. But the government will not allow populist decisions ...
  33. Oleg133
    Oleg133 6 January 2022 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    And the authorities are silent and endure, as these "tourists" will build mansions in Moscow and the Moscow region.

    She hates nothing. Think ...
    Who do you think will cut you when the authorities need it?
  34. fsps
    fsps 6 January 2022 11: 41
    -3
    Or Tiananmen - if you have enough spirit, or a mixture of Ukraine and Libya, if not.
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2022 11: 50
    +2
    Quote: bandabas
    Question- Who will transform? Russians again? hi A little tired already. Take their own, and, these ... let them dog among themselves ... African-Americans are waiting.
    At 10 o'clock on NTV, the news reported that within the framework of the CSTO, units of ... the Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces ... were being transferred to Kazakhstan. And, as you know, there are no units of Kadyrov's "peacekeepers" in the Airborne Forces yet.sad
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  37. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 January 2022 12: 03
    +2
    Kazakh KGB and others. or simply worthless specialists, who got there for bribes or according to the clan principle, either frankly overslept, or they themselves participate in this booth.

    The lulled "top" have not heard in recent years what the "lower classes" want. And I well remember December 1986 when, after Kunaev's resignation, the Nazis staged pogroms in Alma-Ata. Kazakh roots. Nazism deep. And they manipulate DOS. the mass of Kazakhs, who are generally less literate than even in Russia and the Ukrainian.
    1. man
      man 8 January 2022 04: 28
      +2
      And I well remember how some intellectuals staged pogroms after the Russia-Japan football match in Moscow.
  38. rina
    rina 6 January 2022 12: 04
    +5
    Everything went to this. For a long time. We felt anxiety in our Belgorod region two years ago, when Russians left Kazakhstan again, who had not left in the 90s ... We just had a lot of refugees then, and now their relatives began to move. As they said, not from a good life ... It has become a bit crowded to live.
  39. Diverter
    Diverter 6 January 2022 12: 48
    +1
    My deep couch opinion.
    options for solving this problem:
    1. Introduction of CSTO troops. Tough suppression of the rebellion. Creation and deployment of a large Russian military base. "For the protection of Baikonur and Sary-Shagan". in order to eliminate the risk of a change of government to an anti-Russian one in the future.

    2. Introduction of CSTO troops. Division of Kazakhstan into three parts. Immediately after their independence, referendums on joining the Russian Federation should be held in the northeastern and western parts. We get the northeastern lands inhabited by the majority of Russians and having an undisturbed industry. In the west, we remove the user of the Caspian Sea, we get additional agricultural. territory and Baikonur.
    We call Karaganda and the southern regions of Kazakhstan Kazakhstan with the capital in Alma Ata and we get a country of the level of Tajikistan. We are setting up a Russian military base in Saryshagan.
    1. man
      man 8 January 2022 04: 37
      +2
      You are a genius!!! I propose to nominate you as UN Secretary General, and I am sure that all progressive humanity will support you!
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 8 January 2022 10: 57
        +1
        You are not the first to tell me this!)) And about the UN. Some do not strongly adhere to her decisions. And it happens in spite of them.
        And yes. the president of Kazakhstan proposed to create a military base of the Russian Federation in the country.
        So, maybe not a genius, but a predictor for sure))))
        1. man
          man 8 January 2022 12: 59
          0
          Time to get off the couch, my friend! It is not good for a saboteur to lie on the couch! The peoples of Catalonia and Northern Ireland have not yet been liberated! Imagine what kind of football team we will have!
          1. Diverter
            Diverter 8 January 2022 15: 37
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            yes I would love to. but .... age (((as any parachutist will tell you. That a lot of jumps with a load) undermine health. especially the back ((((.
            But don't hesitate. If it will be necessary (the Motherland will order) al-basurmanes / basements to raise the buch, then I can take the strength to take a competent position with a machine gun.
            1. man
              man 8 January 2022 16: 15
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              Well, at least only Catalonia ... can you imagine how we will delight the people when we win the World Cup? !!! let's go on foot, we won't reach, so at least we'll fill the Poles with sand smile
  40. MauZerR
    MauZerR 6 January 2022 12: 48
    +1
    Quote: Sad235
    Here you understand, And patriots of the minuses of the second dozen throw me there

    Yes, let them hesitate and worship at least Marx. About the basis and the superstructure. In Kazakhstan, earlier in Ukraine, however, in Russia, the basis was destroyed and destroyed very methodically, and the superstructure in the form of the ideology of the state with leaderism, "enemies all around" and "you have to be patient a little" absurdity. So it was bombing on Lenin, when the lower classes cannot, and the upper classes do not want to. It is necessary to study the pillars of materialism, gentlemen "presidents for life", in order to prevent this from happening. And not to scribble tearing off the veils of libels about "spies of the State Department, Nuland with cookies" and so on. The State Department of Kazakhstan is like a dog's fifth tail, but China will bite off and not choke, oil production will be useful to them.
  41. Alsur
    Alsur 6 January 2022 12: 49
    -2
    Quote: Gardamir
    Interestingly, the borders of the Union were closed. But these, like little children, have optimized everything they can reach. They do not have enough hospitals for covid. Now there are problems with the border guards.

    It's good at least in your Ukraine it is good with border guards and hospitals.
  42. MauZerR
    MauZerR 6 January 2022 13: 05
    -1
    Quote: Saboteur
    My deep couch opinion.
    options for solving this problem:

    Both of your options are bad: annexation and ... annexation. Do not forget that you will have to invade an independent state. Again, to eat sanctions?
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 6 January 2022 15: 32
      0
      I spat on the sanctions, so they do not concern me and my friends, relatives, loved ones! but the Semirechye should be returned. and for baikonur so as not to pay ...
    2. Diverter
      Diverter 6 January 2022 16: 09
      0
      just in this case, the CSTO peacekeeping mission is being introduced. There can be no claims to us regarding the input. By the way, before that, Peskov's mustache said that the Kazakhs should figure it out for themselves. This is with regard to the introduction of troops. And after gaining independence, any territory "by itself" will decide where to join it. Considering that the majority of Russians are in the north, I think there won't even be much "help" needed.
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 6 January 2022 16: 29
        -1
        your words would be in the ears of anyone ...
  43. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2022 13: 10
    0
    Quote: bayard
    And of course, the decision to provide assistance with the CSTO peacekeepers was made at the request of the President of Kazakhstan.
    The Russian Federation sent troops to Syria at the request of the President of Syria.
    What is wrong with you?

    Syria is not a member of the CSTO, there are only Russian troops. And about Kazakhstan, the CSTO was created to repel external enemies, and not for showdowns within countries, to fight the opposition. Russia made a choice, we are for the government zhuz. The rest are now in the news-terrorists and extremists ...
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 7 January 2022 09: 25
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      The rest are now in the news, terrorists and extremists.


      And who, the "moderate opposition"?
      And what if these performances really turn out to be not entirely spontaneous, or not at all spontaneous?
      Sit back and wait for the repetition of the Ukrainian scenario or help crush the turmoil in the bud?
  44. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 6 January 2022 13: 10
    0
    Send them all to Ukraine.
  45. Operator
    Operator 6 January 2022 13: 10
    +1
    Where can you put a minus white tape article?

    Airborne Forces of Russia and Kazakhstan are successfully cleaning out Nazarbayevites. The second-hand Sultan's New Year's rebellion failed. Nazarbayev scum, which began in December 1986 with a rebellion against Kolbin and continued after 1992 with an attempt to westernize Kazakhstan (selling oil and gas fields to American investors, teaching Kazakhs in American universities, switching to the Latin alphabet), ended in January 2022 with a massive flight of business jets from Almaty to Switzerland.
  46. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 January 2022 13: 12
    0
    Some have already built Switzerland and France. It's bad when fools are active, and the rest of the population is hiding in burrows and looking at the destruction of the state. Ours arrived, something will happen.
  47. Elisarius
    Elisarius 6 January 2022 13: 12
    +3
    And where is the reaction of the Kremlin. Now everyone is waiting for the Kremlin's reaction. The expression of concern is no longer explicit enough. We need tough and decisive measures that will be accompanied by no less tough statements. These events are clearly timed to coincide with the upcoming talks with the West on security. And as an option in this situation, come up with an official statement about the postponement of or generally canceling any negotiations until the situation is resolved, while maintaining all the conditions of the ultimatum, including the timing, and interrupt any contacts. At the same time, in Kazakhstan, to take super-harsh measures demonstratively
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 6 January 2022 16: 33
      0
      sorry, but this advice is strange. in my opinion, the situation in Kazakhstan is quite superimposed on the general atmosphere of the negotiations. It is with soft and polite rhetoric to do everything to protect the security sphere of Russia. And no, God forbid, loud shaking of the air! in no case. namely, "to express concern and concern" and through the mouth of any talking heads and third deputies. and then the citizens YOURSELF, you understand YOURSELF, should hold referendums on independence or on joining the Russian Federation without any noise and dust (c)
  48. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2022 13: 14
    0
    Quote: Oleg133
    The government made concessions "-

    Well, yes, they lowered the price of gas, which they had raised the day before. Yes, and the resignation of the government (in fact, anti-popular) is not a concession, for such "work" they give a term. hi
  49. Nikolai Redko
    Nikolai Redko 6 January 2022 14: 08
    0
    Another "orange maidanchik"! The question is for those who for some reason "decided" (maybe someone whispered in their ear! ..) to raise gas prices TWICE and exactly a few days before Putin's meeting with Biden and on January 12 the Russia-NATO Council in Brussels. You say: what have Russia and Putin to do with it ?! Kazakhstan is the underbelly of Russia and a member of the Eurasian Economic Community (EVRAZEC), that's why. I do not believe in coincidence of these events. Behind the events in Kazakhstan one can feel "a dexterous and hard-working hand" - the hand of Her Majesty's MI-6! Maybe not even by themselves, but through Erdogan, but the "smell" of MI-6 is felt. Their style! Well, everything is straight, as in the song by Makarevich:
    Dolls pull the strings,
    They have smiles on their faces
    And the clown plays the trumpet.
    And in the process of introducing
    It creates an impression
    That dolls dance on their own.

    Oh, what a shame sometimes,
    That the owner can not see:
    Up and into the dark thread goes.
    And the dolls are so obedient to him,
    And we believe ingenuously
    In what the doll can say.
  50. Wolf
    Wolf 6 January 2022 14: 10
    +3
    Nazarbayev was the Chairman of the National Security Service.
    "Mirny protesters" seized in the first stage of the airport and TV and Radio and began the seizure of the most important buildings?
    They started shooting and hunting for security officials. Signs protesters do not know how to use weapons.
    All this is a consequence of the action in a long time Nazarbayev and the ego of the clan. Romanization and Islam in one package?, First seen in Kazakstan.
    The bugs "oligarchs" Nazaryev's comrades-in-arms, whom he helped to rob the people and get rich, have already fled.
    EU urges not to touch peaceful Protestants with firearms.
    What is most important, the United States is still silent as well as London.

    Nazarbayev and the clan about the ego led the country to the Nazis so that they could calmly plunder the people.
    The authorities in Kazakstan from the 90s so far have simply led the country to these events, they just steered like a machine to make it happen.

    Intervention on the side and skillful incitement of hatred in a long period today gives a result.
    Who missed here?
    Today it is a big failure of the special service of Kazakstan, and the process was started by Kazakski NAC. COMUNISTS in the time of the USSR and agents of MI6, CIA, Masoni.
    That will be visible but will cure the country and the people will be heavy and long-term.
    Nazarbayev of his policy of myopia simply sacrificed the people and the country for his greed, the ego of the clan and the criminal structures of Kazakstan.
    Today is Sveta Big Praznik, and such terrible news, who wants to spoil our holidays?
    1. Diverter
      Diverter 6 January 2022 16: 15
      +3
      Brotherly heart! Write in your own language and then the translator will translate. Otherwise, you will break all your eyes while you read it)