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Indonesia refused to purchase Russian multipurpose Su-35 fighters

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The Russian contract for the supply of a batch of Russian Su-35 multipurpose fighters to Indonesia will not be implemented. This was stated by the chief of staff of the Indonesian Air Force, Marshal aviation Fajar Praseto.


В stories the "stuck" contract for the supply of eleven multipurpose Su-35 fighters to Indonesia has come to an end, Jakarta announced its refusal to purchase Russian aircraft. The reason for this decision is the lack of budget funds. According to the chief of staff of the Indonesian Air Force, Air Marshal Fajar Praseto, Indonesia with a "heavy heart" is forced to abandon Russian fighters.

In principle, Praseto did not say anything new, the contract for the Su-35, signed on February 14, 2018, was never finalized, despite the numerous promises of Indonesia. Recently, only optimists believed that it would be implemented. At the beginning of this year, or rather in February, when it was 3 years since the signing of the document, plans for the purchase of aircraft for its air forces were announced in Jakarta, which did not even "smell" of Russian aircraft. If there are no funds for Russian planes, then French and American funds were found.

According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia, in the period from 2021 to 2024, 36 French Rafale fighters and eight American F-15EX will be purchased. In addition, the Indonesian Air Force will replenish Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules military transport aircraft and long-range medium-altitude attack drones.

It is noted that Jakarta has been negotiating the purchase of a batch of French fighters throughout the past year. Last fall, Air Force Chief of Staff Aviation Marshal Yuyu Sutisna announced the country's Air Force plans to purchase two F-16 squadrons of the latest modification, but the contract for these aircraft was never signed, but information about the F-15EX batch appeared.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 23 December 2021 15: 58
    +6
    If there are no funds for Russian planes, then French and American money was found

    With a kind word and a gun, you can always achieve more than just a kind word.

    The United States has a gun, a dollar, and they do not disdain "democratic bombing", and we only have "kind words."
  2. mitroha
    mitroha 23 December 2021 16: 01
    +22
    Remembering fair competition and the WTO.
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 December 2021 17: 10
      +23
      Quote: Mitroha
      Remembering fair competition and the WTO.

      It is necessary to leave the WTO, so that the door would fly off its hinges! am
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 24 December 2021 13: 29
        +2
        Indonesians are hurt, ashamed, but the position of dependent American "sixes" forces them to abandon Russian aircraft.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 December 2021 19: 13
        -1
        Quote: isv000
        It is necessary to leave the WTO, so that the door would fly off its hinges!

        The main thing is that it doesn't turn out like this.
  3. Asad
    Asad 23 December 2021 16: 02
    +7
    Put the squeeze on ,, partners ,, shafts them in the ass!
  4. faterdom
    faterdom 23 December 2021 16: 04
    +57
    Ours refuse to take palm oil, we overeat it. And Indonesians feel sorry for money.
    At least a small chance of improving dairy products in our chains.
    1. Asad
      Asad 23 December 2021 16: 11
      0
      High-quality palm oil product essential for the food industry. Yes, and no one refused the bad, the Americans put pressure on. That's all fair competition!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2021 16: 24
        -5
        Palm oil has risen sharply.
        1. Asad
          Asad 23 December 2021 16: 29
          -2
          Moreover, we do not want to eat it ourselves, we can resell it.
        2. alystan
          alystan 23 December 2021 16: 41
          +1
          When palm oil catches up and equals the price of gas, everything will return to the negotiating table! wassat
      2. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 23 December 2021 17: 22
        +10
        Quote: ASAD
        High-quality palm oil product essential for the food industry. Yes, and no one refused the bad, the Americans put pressure on. That's all fair competition!

        Well, okay, we'll eat less palm oil. If our government doesn't care about us, then at least the Indonesians did.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 17: 47
          +3
          Quote: SKVichyakow
          Well, okay, we'll eat less palm oil.

          Oh, if.
          We didn't change it for planes, we'll just buy it for money.
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 25 December 2021 10: 14
        0
        Quote: ASAD
        Yes, and no one refused the bad, the Americans put pressure on

        Are they also selling for butter?
    2. Vik66
      Vik66 23 December 2021 16: 12
      0
      You are reading my thoughts! laughing
    3. sustav75
      sustav75 23 December 2021 20: 08
      +11
      They will buy French and American planes for foreign currency, only for Russia there was a deal with palm oil ...
      1. Sling of David
        Sling of David 24 December 2021 04: 43
        +3
        It always works like that. Russian planes are bought only by those countries that cannot afford to buy Western ones. As soon as there is an opportunity to choose - DRYERS will certainly lose tenders. But Sushki will certainly be acquired by Belarus, however, it is not a fact that it will pay
        1. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 24 December 2021 09: 42
          0
          You might think that Indonesia did not have the opportunity to buy Western planes before, well, well
  5. prior
    prior 23 December 2021 16: 05
    +7
    Well.
    Let the French now eat palm oil ...
    1. Charik
      Charik 23 December 2021 17: 15
      +5
      If there are no funds for Russian planes, then French and American funds were found.
  6. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 23 December 2021 16: 05
    0
    buy f 35, not even half a year will pass ... it is such a democracy ... we are losing the market quietly.
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 December 2021 16: 22
      +11
      Quote: Aerodrome
      buy f 35, not even half a year will pass ... it is such a democracy ... we are losing the market quietly.

      Maybe it's for the best. let it be another lesson for us that first of all we need to saturate our army. And not to design airplanes and other military equipment with targeting and stupid optimism for sale to other countries. As with the Su-75. It's just stupid - it's difficult for us to compete with the United States with the possibilities of pressure on potential buyers. Don't be naive.
      1. Tamparu
        Tamparu 23 December 2021 16: 52
        +6
        Quote: Gritsa
        Quote: Aerodrome
        buy f 35, not even half a year will pass ... it is such a democracy ... we are losing the market quietly.

        Maybe it's for the best. let it be another lesson for us that first of all we need to saturate our army. And not to design airplanes and other military equipment with targeting and stupid optimism for sale to other countries. As with the Su-75. It's just stupid - it's difficult for us to compete with the United States with the possibilities of pressure on potential buyers. Don't be naive.

        You need to feed your army! But the laws of economics are also a serious thing! Due to the "economies of scale", the cost per unit of production is reduced. Then by selling our product all over the world we make it cheaper for our army ...
        hi
    2. prior
      prior 24 December 2021 09: 40
      +2
      The market, even the grocery one, is never given away for nothing.
      It must be conquered.
      Again - conquer.
      Conquered Eastern Europe - there was a market.
      Profiled, profiled and the market. hi
  7. Grandfather Mozai
    Grandfather Mozai 23 December 2021 16: 11
    +3
    Let them keep rubber and palm oil, and 11 dryers will be a plus for our troops.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 23 December 2021 16: 23
      0
      Quote: Grandfather Mozai
      Let them keep rubber and palm oil, and 11 dryers will be a plus for our troops.

      I also think ... how are we without palm oil then ...?
    2. Asad
      Asad 23 December 2021 16: 27
      +8
      Arms export is vital! Defense enterprises should develop not only at the expense of the state.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 December 2021 22: 09
        -1
        Arms export is vital! Defense enterprises should develop not only at the expense of the state.
        This is only if the state does not really need enterprises. And if they are needed, then there is nothing to sell equipment to different monkeys, all the same they do not know how to use it.
        1. AAC
          AAC 24 December 2021 07: 56
          0
          Yes, let them buy. If only for the money.
    3. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 17: 49
      +4
      Quote: Grandfather Mozai
      Let them keep rubber and palm oil, and 11 dryers will be a plus for our troops.

      11 dryers the plant simply will not do,
      And we'll just buy a palm tree.
  8. Sergei Chernavsky
    Sergei Chernavsky 23 December 2021 16: 12
    +10
    Something I doubt that the Su-35 is more expensive than Raphael, or the F-15 ... Well, they put pressure on you with UWB, so tell me, why break a comedy?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2021 16: 29
      -3
      So our Sushki does not suit them with something, maybe they are outdated in comparison with the new Raphael and the F 15EX on avionics, our Su 35 are definitely inferior to them.
      1. Asad
        Asad 23 December 2021 17: 15
        -4
        Here's from whom! But from YOU !? Read such words !?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2021 19: 13
          -1
          Technological progress does not stand still - when the Su 35 was made and how many years it has been in production, and when the same F 15EX was rolled out by the USA, and the Su 35 was never modernized.
          1. poquello
            poquello 23 December 2021 22: 12
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Technological progress does not stand still - when the Su 35 was made and how many years it has already been produced and when the same F 15EX was rolled out by the USA, with the Su 35 never modernized.

            yes there is no such need simply, in comparison rafal and f15 sucks that will never catch up with su35
            1. failure
              failure 24 December 2021 13: 36
              0
              How to say. As for me, the F-15 is simply the most successful piece of equipment. And if also in the latest version ...
      2. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 23 December 2021 17: 49
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        So our Sushki does not suit them with something, maybe they are outdated in comparison with the new Raphael and the F 15EX on avionics, our Su 35 are definitely inferior to them.

        Guess what, the United States was intimidated, in short.
      3. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        It means that our Dryers do not suit them with something, maybe they are outdated.

        Yeah, they don't.
        For them, sanctions come over the head.
      4. Sergei Chernavsky
        Sergei Chernavsky 23 December 2021 20: 19
        -1
        Well, yes, of course, bad planes, the competition in the arms market is absolutely good-neighborly, and there is absolutely no one for the purchase of Russian weapons. ... And this is a fact.
    2. Momento
      Momento 24 December 2021 01: 36
      0
      the same will happen with Rafals and F-15. f-15 8 pieces are generally ridiculous - they are expensive to operate and only the Saudis and Israel buy them.
      their destiny is either moment-29m or f-16.
  9. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 23 December 2021 16: 12
    +17
    The US Ambassador openly threatened the Indonesian government with various sanctions measures due to cooperation with Russia in the military sphere. Moreover, Washington promises to deal a fatal blow to the country's economy if it dares to accept the purchased batch of Su-35. "There are threats up to the collapse of the national currency" This was said by the head of international cooperation and regional policy of "Rostec" Viktor Kladov.
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 December 2021 16: 26
      +2
      The question arises - why then pussies, on which a bandit can easily run over to have a weapon?
      The puss will have to buy a pistol from the bandit, otherwise he will hit the head with the handle of the pistol.
      1. isv000
        isv000 23 December 2021 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: Gritsa
        The puss will have to buy a pistol from the bandit, otherwise he will hit the head with the handle of the pistol.

        Enough bricks ...
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 23 December 2021 17: 14
        +8
        They are not going to fight the bandit. They have one serious opponent, neighboring Malaysia. Here they are against each other and are armed.
      3. vadimtt
        vadimtt 24 December 2021 09: 23
        +1
        Ssykun? I'll see how a 5-year-old "nessykun" will enter the ring against a 25-year-old world champion in ultimate fighting laughing This is roughly how the capabilities of Indonesia and the United States correlate. In general, all politics began to resemble "courtyard showdowns" of farmers, where did the elegance go? bully
    2. spirit
      spirit 23 December 2021 16: 46
      +10
      This was announced by Viktor Kladov, head of international cooperation and regional policy of Rostec.

      And what else can he answer if good fellows and beauties are buying from us! laughing The French are selling their rafali like cakes, what do you mean to say that modern France is so scared of everyone, or is the US gossiping for them, which knocked them over quite recently? unclear) hi
      1. poquello
        poquello 23 December 2021 22: 23
        -5
        Quote: spirit
        The French are selling their rafali like cakes, what do you mean to say that modern France is so scared of everyone, or is the US gossiping for them, which knocked them over quite recently? unclear)

        and what is not clear?
        Quote: Tim Coconuts
        The US Ambassador openly threatened the Indonesian government with various sanctions measures due to cooperation with Russia in the military sphere
  10. moreman78
    moreman78 23 December 2021 16: 13
    +6
    In the history of the "stuck" contract for the supply of eleven multipurpose Su-35 fighters to Indonesia, an end has been put, Jakarta announced its refusal to purchase Russian aircraft

    Well, 11 fighters are great - almost a squadron, for our Air Force they will definitely not be superfluous. There are not many Su-35s in our arsenal. So, I think we need to update our aviation!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2021 16: 32
      0
      It needs to be updated on the Su 57 and replaced with on-line all Su 27SM Su 30 and Su 35 - why fence such a diverse fleet of fighters.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 December 2021 16: 36
      +21
      Now the satellite footage of the plant in Komsomolsk, where 10-12 Su-35s winter on the street, has become clear.
      Apparently, it was an Indonesian order.
      1. nks
        nks 23 December 2021 17: 25
        +4
        Which was then supposed to become Egyptian. With Indonesia, and so everything was clear already 2 years. It is interesting that with the Egyptian order.
      2. impostor
        impostor 23 December 2021 18: 04
        +1
        Not a fact! It is unlikely that someone will build without a contract, without the agreed specifics required for the buyer. And if there is a preliminary contract, then there is also responsibility for non-fulfillment of its conditions, and if these conditions are not for some reason, then the UK should definitely have questions to Chemezov's department.
      3. Momento
        Momento 24 December 2021 01: 38
        0
        only it is not clear why it is impossible to cover them with a roof.
      4. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 24 December 2021 09: 48
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Now the satellite footage of the plant in Komsomolsk, where 10-12 Su-35s winter on the street, has become clear.
        Apparently, it was an Indonesian order.


        No one will produce equipment under an unsigned contract. So leave the fantasies to yourself
    3. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 17: 54
      +3
      Quote: moreman78
      for our air force will definitely not be superfluous

      The plant will simply not make them.
      And in our army there are exactly as many of them as ordered by the generals.
    4. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 17: 55
      -3
      Quote: moreman78
      for our air force will definitely not be superfluous

      The plant will simply not make them.
      And in our army there are exactly as many of them as ordered by the generals.
    5. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 23 December 2021 22: 12
      0
      Well, 11 fighters are great - almost a squadron, for our Air Force they will definitely not be superfluous. There are not many Su-35s in our arsenal. So, I think we need to update our aviation!

      It’s necessary, but KNAPO will demand money for them, it won’t give it back for that. Does the MO have this money? Now, if the property was confiscated from Marshal Taburetkin, then not for the squadron, but for the regiment would have been enough.
  11. Normann
    Normann 23 December 2021 16: 19
    +1
    There is no trial either, choosing the main thing is not to be mistaken by the side.
  12. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 23 December 2021 16: 20
    0
    If there are no funds for Russian planes, then French and American funds were found ..

    What to do, everyone wants to live, and even the chief of staff of the Indonesian Air Force, Air Marshal Fajar Praseto and more senior gentlemen. Better than "sudden" incriminating evidence and shame.

    ... In the fall of last year, Air Force Chief of Staff Aviation Marshal Yuyu Sutisna announced plans for the country's Air Force to purchase two F-16 squadrons of the latest modification, but the contract for these aircraft was never signed, but information about the F-15EX batch appeared.

    "Slightly different" aircraft, as well as the tasks for these fighters. Has the Air Force strategy changed? It seems that they were tortured with a soldering iron and the Indonesians agree to whatever they offer).
    1. aslan balayev
      aslan balayev 23 December 2021 16: 42
      0
      Quote: Kesha1980
      If there are no funds for Russian planes, then French and American funds were found ..

      What to do, everyone wants to live, and even the chief of staff of the Indonesian Air Force, Air Marshal Fajar Praseto and more senior gentlemen. Better than "sudden" incriminating evidence and shame.

      ... In the fall of last year, Air Force Chief of Staff Aviation Marshal Yuyu Sutisna announced plans for the country's Air Force to purchase two F-16 squadrons of the latest modification, but the contract for these aircraft was never signed, but information about the F-15EX batch appeared.

      "Slightly different" aircraft, as well as the tasks for these fighters. Has the Air Force strategy changed? It seems that they were tortured with a soldering iron and the Indonesians agree to whatever they offer).

      In my opinion, the usual diversification. Countries that do not have a strong military-industrial complex often do this in order to avoid risks. In order not to depend on one supplier, weapons are purchased from different countries. This is a common practice in business. Moreover, when it comes to the security of the country ...
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 23 December 2021 17: 20
        -1
        Does it surprise you that at first the F-16 was required, and then the decision was made about the need for the F-15? Are the cars of the same type? Is the class the same type?

        .In my opinion, the usual diversification. Countries that do not have a strong military-industrial complex often do this to avoid risks

        The Indonesian Air Force consists of 5 Sukhoi 27s, eleven Su-30s as main fighters, supplemented by 33 F-16s. Don't you think the concept of "Indonesian Air Force main fighter" will change somewhat?
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 23 December 2021 18: 48
          0
          Quite a difficult question for me, to be honest. There are many nuances. What geopolitics, what neighbors, geography, the presence of territorial problems, ambitions,
          priorities and a whole bunch of others. I don’t have so much information about faraway Indonesia.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 23 December 2021 19: 00
            +4
            They are simply squeezing out Russia's military exports. Military exports are not a one-off make-sell-make-and-go deal. This is both support and training (agents of influence). And much more. "What is happening behind the screen of the puppet theater is just shadows, and if they are shown to us."
            This is bad. Very bad. And it applies not only to Indonesia, but to the entire world. Another indicator of the delivery of positions.
  13. Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 23 December 2021 16: 21
    0
    Are the frogs compensated for the DP?
  14. Dimy4
    Dimy4 23 December 2021 16: 28
    0
    Market, "healthy" competition. Bl / in burnt!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2021 19: 21
      -1
      It is time for our military-industrial complex to admit the fact that the weapons it produces are beginning to rapidly become obsolete against the background of the same foreign manufacturers and the interest of foreign customers in it is falling, and even with advertising the case is far from being in the best form.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 23 December 2021 21: 32
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        It is time for our military-industrial complex to admit the fact that the weapons it produces are rapidly becoming obsolete against the background of the same foreign manufacturers.
        Arms trade in Peaceful time = 300% policy

        Quote: Vadim237
        the interest of foreign customers in him is falling, and with advertising the business is far from being in the best form.
        Best advertisement for weapons - victories in battles.
        If the Su-35 will be shot down by the Rafale or the F-15, 16, 35 ... - there will also be foreign buyers.
        hi
  15. Igoresha
    Igoresha 23 December 2021 16: 32
    -11
    means to sell (give) to the enemies of Indonesia .. let them know!
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 December 2021 17: 16
      +1
      Quote: Igoresha
      means to sell (give) to the enemies of Indonesia .. let them know!

      Who are they?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 December 2021 17: 32
      +8
      Those, too, will not accept. They have an MRCA tender with Rafal, Hornet, Grippen and Eurofighter. At the same time, we bought 8 Hornets already for trial on a profitable deal with used ones. And it was announced that the MiG-29 would begin to be thrown out soon, and the Su-30MKM would become the last Russian aircraft in the Malaysian Air Force.


      Their leadership is now very Euro-Amero-integrated. They were the first in the Asia-Pacific region to buy the A-400.


      We ordered 6 light frigates from France (Govinda subtype).


      Became the world's only customer of Twarda tanks wassat , I'm even afraid to imagine how they chose it.


      They are warmly friends with Turkey - in fact, the main BMP is Turkish, the main armored personnel carrier is Turkish.
      1. poquello
        poquello 23 December 2021 22: 31
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Su-30MKM will be the last Russian aircraft in the Malaysian Air Force

        please give me a link to your words
  16. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 23 December 2021 16: 34
    -13
    No honor, no self-respect.
  17. Dmitry_7
    Dmitry_7 23 December 2021 16: 46
    -9
    According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia, in the period from 2021 to 2024, 36 French Rafale fighters and eight American F-15EX will be purchased. In addition, the Indonesian Air Force will replenish Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules military transport aircraft and long-range medium-altitude attack drones.


    Indonesian fuckers are destiny ... bully
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2021 17: 05
    +2
    The striped ones bend this world for themselves ... nothing new, nothing unexpected.
  19. Charik
    Charik 23 December 2021 17: 14
    -5
    Did they pay for the oil or were they going to pay?
  20. Charik
    Charik 23 December 2021 17: 25
    0
    Here "Talker-13" was in India not long ago, it could have dropped in Indonesia on the Su35 to grind it.
  21. svoit
    svoit 23 December 2021 17: 35
    -2
    Quote: ASAD
    ... Yes, and no one refused the bad, the Americans put pressure on

    I wonder how many tons of oil will it cost to buy f15
  22. datura23
    datura23 23 December 2021 17: 38
    0
    and the old ones must be redeemed.
  23. Berg berg
    Berg berg 23 December 2021 17: 40
    -7
    And thank God that they refused, Russian military equipment cannot be sold .... m, they have to buy only American, it is closer to them in intelligence.
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  25. Radikal
    Radikal 23 December 2021 18: 12
    -1
    Quote: ASAD
    Put the squeeze on ,, partners ,, shafts them in the ass!
    What a trifle - on the other hand, we are ahead of ... Switzerland in terms of other goods for export! wassat lol
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/111431/41640/-
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2021 19: 25
      -1
      It's just bad that chocolate legumes don't grow in Russia.
  26. Valery Volkov
    Valery Volkov 23 December 2021 18: 27
    -3
    The Indonesians are cunning, they have been pulling since 2018, they were waiting for them to be presented to them ... Well, okay - these are their problems, now let them fly in French, they are the most ... "cool", and you need money for them .. . "less"...))
  27. Vadim Kukhtiev
    Vadim Kukhtiev 23 December 2021 19: 12
    -1
    Frog pads with ami offered a more interesting rollback ...
  28. chakryzhnik
    chakryzhnik 23 December 2021 19: 38
    +2
    And how many cheers there were shouts that Malaysia abandoned the F16 in favor of the Su-35 ...
  29. Metlik
    Metlik 23 December 2021 21: 49
    +4
    Unfortunately, the prestige of Russia and our weapons is falling. The statistics on arms exports in recent years are not encouraging.
    Apart from minerals, we cannot sell anything, because the factories were given to foreigners. Why would Renault export the Lada? Create a competitor for yourself? They will not even allow the installation of a turbo engine on our cars inside the Russian Federation.
    From TV, Putin can tell whatever he wants - but he is turning the country into a third world colony.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 24 December 2021 06: 21
      +3
      No, I already turned it.
      Leave all hope ...
  30. Shiden
    Shiden 23 December 2021 22: 14
    -1
    Dear commentators, at least before commenting, read what you wrote six months ago on VO. After all, you went to the article "South Korean CF 21 can press the Su35"
  31. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 December 2021 23: 01
    0
    Will they pay with a palm tree?
  32. Fenia04
    Fenia04 24 December 2021 04: 50
    0
    Quote: isv000
    Quote: Mitroha
    Remembering fair competition and the WTO.

    It is necessary to leave the WTO, so that the door would fly off its hinges! am

    In the heat of the moment, you can do anything, I hope at the top, they take into account everything and will do everything so that the RF has a profit and not stay with its own people, slamming the door. Enough to be kind, you need to demand payment for all the help. And it always turns out, "F" happened. Russians help, help, go through the forest.
  33. Dikson
    Dikson 24 December 2021 05: 10
    0
    beautifully the French did ...
  34. Split
    Split 24 December 2021 06: 15
    0
    They don't have gold, one less, one more
  35. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 24 December 2021 06: 19
    0
    We have only rogue "friends", now they will come up with a line of credit to open for them and put them at our expense.
  36. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 December 2021 13: 01
    0
    Probably the striped ones shook their fingers or they opened a bank account for anyone. belay
  37. Sergey Tankist
    Sergey Tankist 25 December 2021 17: 14
    0
    These "Papuans" themselves do not know what they want ...