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For the ship of the future, it is important to take into account the experience with the attack corvettes of Russia: the British parliament called the requirements for the promising frigate Type 32

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MRK "Typhoon" project 22800



Having built two aircraft carriers, Britain found a clear shortage of ships to escort them. In this regard, the British Parliament recommended to the Royal Navy to double the escort fleet by purchasing Type 31 and Type 32 ships. At the same time, it is expected that the new combat units will have an effective strike potential, unlike the current ships:

On the way to Russian corvettes


The budgetary priorities of successive governments have led to the creation of fleet some porcupines - well protected, but generally herbivores. Future ships will have to carry offensive missiles, which, in particular, will allow the Navy to return the ability to work on ground targets

- says the parliamentary report.

The Type 32 under development is called the "first ship of the future." It is planned that the British Navy will receive five frigates of this project, increasing the escort fleet (including destroyers) AUG from 19 to 24 pennants. According to Admiral Tony Radakin, the Type 32 will be a modular multipurpose ship.

However, these statements did not suit the British parliamentarians, who noted that "the appointment of the frigate remains vague." Professor Jeffrey Till at the hearing recommended that the Navy take advantage of the Russian experience:

The Navy should consider acquiring ships such as a corvette or light frigate equipped with heavy weapons. The Israeli Sa'ar 5 and 6 and the Russian projects Guarding [20380], Thundering [20385], Buyan [MRK Buyan-M, 21631] and Karakurt [MRK, 22800] show high efficiency: The Type 32 may well follow their path.


He listed some of the advantages of the named Russian corvettes.

First, a larger number of relatively small, faster ships provide tactical maneuverability, reduce the possibility of their detection by the enemy, and, if well armed, can deliver effective strikes from various directions.

Secondly, they can serve as a means of responding to attacks by a large number of small, fast-moving, sometimes remotely controlled vessels [for example, boats] equipped with such weaponslike anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers, or loaded with explosives that detonate on impact. According to Till, the pirates attacked in this way more than 200 times; there are reports that Iran plans to use this approach.

Third, they will better cope with civilian boats, including those equipped with weapons, as was seen in the example of China in the South China Sea or Iceland during the Cod Wars.

Fourthly, it is easier to distribute them throughout the theater of operations, increasing support in the required location when conducting operations with local partners.


British AUG


Imitate other people's successes


Dr. Sidharth Kaushal, speaking in parliament, believes that, following the Russian example, the Type 32 should be armed with a ground-targeting missile:

The installation of 3M-14 Caliber missiles on Russian corvettes with a range of 2500 km means that the Russian Navy can strike at critical [ground] infrastructure without moving far from its ports. The Caspian Fleet [flotilla] demonstrated this during the 2015 Syrian campaign, during which it launched cruise missile strikes.

In the final report, Parliament recommended "to start thinking about what the future project [of the Type 32 frigate] will look like":

We urge the Royal Navy to carefully consider taking into account the successes of other fleets with light frigates / corvettes with heavy weapons and considering the possibility of supplying a similar ship that will have effective missile capabilities from the outset.

- named in the British Parliament their requirements for the promising Type 32 frigate.

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  1. mitroha
    mitroha 15 December 2021 18: 47
    +18
    They criticize us, they adopt our experience. Wonderful are your deeds, O Lord
    1. poquello
      poquello 15 December 2021 20: 20
      +1
      Quote: Mitroha
      They criticize us, they adopt our experience. Wonderful are your deeds, O Lord

      OK-OK
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 December 2021 21: 56
        +3
        OK-OK

        The M shell is optimal for MRKs, for corvette 20380/20385, Polyment-Redut (in the current version) is optimal, and for frigate 22350 / 22350M, it is optimal either to increase the number of missiles on board from Polyment-Redut, or to "spoil" the S400 / S500.
        1. poquello
          poquello 15 December 2021 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          OK-OK

          The M shell is optimal for MRKs, for corvette 20380/20385, Polyment-Redut (in the current version) is optimal, and for frigate 22350 / 22350M, it is optimal either to increase the number of missiles on board from Polyment-Redut, or to "spoil" the S400 / S500.

          I have no idea, the ship has afar at the top of its head and what is there where the fig knows it optimally
  2. Bear
    Bear 15 December 2021 18: 48
    +15
    Something happened in Westminster Palace, or the cats died, or something else. The parliament of the "mistress of the seas" is equal to the creation of ships from dense, bastard Russia. Horror.
    1. lucul
      lucul 15 December 2021 21: 51
      -2
      "Something happened in the Westminster Palace, or the cats died, or something else. The parliament of the" mistress of the seas "is equal to the creation of ships from dense, bastard Russia."

      And don't say - the break in the template for our opps from such news))))
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2021 18: 49
    +3
    For the ship of the future, it is important to take into account the experience with the attack corvettes of Russia: the British parliament called the requirements for the promising frigate Type 32
    And what, the former trendsetters in the navy, will now begin to "adopt" the experience of others?
  4. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 15 December 2021 19: 04
    +7
    What a nasty aircraft carrier requires so much attention to itself, and increase the convoy for him this and that.
    Similarly, an aircraft carrier, like a battleship, can ruin a country. So it will come and the queen will be fed with snacks. love yes soldier fool soldier
  5. Avior
    Avior 15 December 2021 19: 24
    +1
    ... a corvette or light frigate equipped with heavy weapons. Israeli Sa'ar 5 and 6 show high efficiency

    And what are the heavy weapons on Saar 5 and 6?
    Otto Melara 76 mm and even then not at all?
    they can serve as a means of responding to attacks by large numbers of small, fast-moving, sometimes remotely controlled vessels [e.g. boats] equipped with weapons such as anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers, or loaded with explosives

    For this, rapid-fire guns and anti-aircraft missiles have long been used as anti-ship missiles - for them this task is ideal.
    What does heavy weaponry have to do with it? Shoot a tomahawk at a small boat?
    The British left on their Type 45 destroyers a place for launchers for Tomahawks, but they are in no hurry to put them, relying on aviation - this is safer and easier.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 15 December 2021 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      What does heavy weaponry have to do with it? Shoot a tomahawk at a small boat?

      well it's written right there
      Dr. Sidharth Kaushal, speaking in parliament, believes that, following the Russian example, the Type 32 should be armed with a ground-targeting missile:

      The installation of 3M-14 Caliber missiles on Russian corvettes with a range of 2500 km means that the Russian Navy can strike at critical [ground] infrastructure without moving far from its ports. The Caspian Fleet [flotilla] demonstrated this during the 2015 Syrian campaign, during which it launched cruise missile strikes.


      Quote: Avior
      The British left on their Type 45 destroyers a place for launchers for Tomahawks, but they are in no hurry to put them, relying on aviation - this is safer and easier.

      it seems no longer. request you never know ... what if a raincoat! wassat
      1. Avior
        Avior 15 December 2021 20: 17
        0
        All this can be done by aviation - easier and more reliable.
        And the first in the list of examples they put Israeli corvettes.
        1. lucul
          lucul 15 December 2021 21: 47
          +2
          All this can be done by aviation - easier and more reliable.

          How much is one flight of an F-18 + its rocket + one flight of a DLRO aircraft for target designation, against the price of a Caliber? ))))
          Do not forget about the depreciation of the aircraft carrier and its aircraft)))
          And the first in the list of examples they put Israeli corvettes.

          Well, that's it - Izzy strong)))
          1. Avior
            Avior 15 December 2021 21: 58
            -1
            And you are going to let these Calibers from your hand?
            And without target designation, where will God send?
            1. lucul
              lucul 15 December 2021 22: 04
              +2
              "Are you going to let these Calibers out of your hand?"


              With an inexpensive RTO weighing 800 tons)))
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 December 2021 01: 23
                0
                Are you going to carry out reconnaissance from MRK too?
                Add the price of aircraft for reconnaissance
            2. poquello
              poquello 15 December 2021 22: 41
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              And you are going to let these Calibers from your hand?
              And without target designation, where will God send?

              nothing, the last time is ok so god sent
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 December 2021 01: 24
                +1
                God sent where needed, because in addition they kept not just an airplane, but an entire airbase
                1. poquello
                  poquello 16 December 2021 17: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  God sent where needed, because in addition they kept not just an airplane, but an entire airbase

                  IMHO sso worked and not aeroplans in the majority
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 16 December 2021 17: 59
                    -1
                    One does not exclude the other
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 16 December 2021 18: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      One does not exclude the other

                      what does it not exclude? run wild in the end? accurate illumination is SSO and UAV, etc., and the output to the square is forty years old.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 16 December 2021 19: 30
                        -1
                        Even a stupid one understands that the easiest way to provide the work of the SSO is aviation, especially given the fact that you can't hide much in the forests there.
            3. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 16 December 2021 12: 31
              0
              And without target designation, where will God send?

              Over-the-horizon radars of the Monolit-B, Mineral-M type, the Monument of the Kaluga NPP Typhoon are on fr. 22350, skr. 20380/20385, mr. 22800
              give the control center passive mode - 950 km, active - 750 km.
              + stationary MKRTS Liana
              + locally CA Persona, Tundra, Resource - to help
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 December 2021 18: 00
                -1
                Give a link about practical shooting at a monolith or mineral water
            4. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 16 December 2021 12: 33
              0
              this is the Ukrainian wink technique
              in civilized countries, for example in Russia, satellites have other means of long-range and short-range reconnaissance for this. drones, radars, etc.

              it's clearer, pedantic you are our wassat
          2. Avior
            Avior 15 December 2021 22: 01
            -1
            And you will start up the Caliber without target designation?
            1. lucul
              lucul 15 December 2021 22: 05
              -4
              "and without target designation?"

              And target designation from an inexpensive UAV))))
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 December 2021 01: 30
                -1
                Yes, what is there - send a group of sailors with an MRK on a boat, they will all look, cheap and angry
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 16 December 2021 11: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  Yes, what is there - send a group of sailors with an MRK on a boat, they will all look, cheap and angry

                  this is a Ukrainian technique wink
                  in civilized countries, for example in Russia, satellites have other means of long-range and short-range reconnaissance for this. drones, radars, etc.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 16 December 2021 11: 27
                    -1
                    forgive me if you interfere with other people's communication, read first what is written in the branch
                    hi
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 16 December 2021 12: 32
                      0
                      so you and I wrote the same nonsense hi
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 16 December 2021 18: 01
                        -1
                        What, is it burning?
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 16 December 2021 20: 05
                        0
                        from what? from a moldy training manual? and even from taming? of course not bully amuses laughing
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 16 December 2021 20: 11
                        -2
                        It can be seen that it burns so that a hole in the combat couch will soon burn out.
                      4. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 16 December 2021 23: 26
                        0
                        ha ha ha laughing Do you really believe that the mantra about "burned" will help you? No No. this does not in the least change the fact that you are writing cruel nonsense yes
            2. abc_alex
              abc_alex 16 December 2021 13: 07
              0
              Quote: Avior
              And you will start up the Caliber without target designation?


              Are you off the plane? Especially if there is no third country airspace in which an attack on an aircraft would be regarded as an attack? And if not to get hung up on the war with the bearded in slippers, but to accept for the fact that the attacked side has the means of striking airfields? You go there, you from there and your planes land where?
              1. Avior
                Avior 16 December 2021 18: 07
                -4
                And if you first read the thread, what is it about?
                About your particular post-
                If you do not get hung up on the war with the bearded, then an intelligent welder will provide protection from impacts with Caliber in half a day in the form of corner reflectors with handles and wheels. And a couple of handymen will still periodically roll over to complicate reconnaissance. And if we add a minimum RB and fired traps, the consumption of missiles to hit a target will grow many times over.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 16 December 2021 20: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  If you do not get hung up on the war with the bearded, then an intelligent welder will provide protection from impacts with Caliber in half a day in the form of corner reflectors with handles and wheels.

                  enchanting wassat the welder didn’t help the bearded and the corner reflectors for some reason didn’t work .. that’s bullshit. request laughing
                  Quote: Avior
                  And a couple of handymen will still periodically roll over to complicate reconnaissance.

                  but not .. they have pans on their heads. no need to carry anything. they will simply run through the forest and the calibers will not fall into them. good
                  Quote: Avior
                  And if we add a minimum RB and fired traps, the consumption of missiles to hit a target will grow many times over.

                  doooo! bully your ideas about missile defense are impressive! good but you are an artist, you see so request it’s strange that in civilized countries they didn’t figure it out ... oh yes, they don’t have pots on their heads, they don’t get brilliant thoughts from space wassat
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 16 December 2021 20: 21
                    -2
                    You, I see, have a plug in every hole, in all threads of discussion, even in those in which you do not understand what it is about.
                    Notably burnt, as you can see.
                    Oholonite, there will be a fire, you will burn your pants
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 16 December 2021 23: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: Avior
                      You, I see, a plug in every hole

                      into the hole? you are self-critical about yourself laughing
                      Quote: Avior
                      to all threads of discussion, even to those in which you do not understand what it is about.
                      yeah, where are we, mere mortals, to comprehend the mysteries of the Ukrainian missile defense from corner reflectors wassat
                      Quote: Avior
                      Notably burnt, as you can see.
                      Oholonite, there will be a fire, you will burn your pants

                      the campaign is burning with you, and notably good I am pleased to bully but you go on. as far as I remember you are one of those who do not smell the bottom.
                2. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 17 December 2021 01: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  If you do not get hung up on the war with the bearded, then an intelligent welder will provide protection from impacts with Caliber in half a day in the form of corner reflectors with handles and wheels.


                  What makes you think that Calibers have a radar seeker? I don’t think I’ll tell you a secret, but even in a rather old complex, Iskander has two autonomous guidance systems that have nothing to do with radio location. Thanks to these systems, even a rather old Iskander is able to bury a welder with handles on wheels 5 meters deep. Or process it into kosher minced meat. Depending on the type of warhead.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 17 December 2021 05: 47
                    -1
                    It is written everywhere.
                    Have you seen somewhere that the GOS Caliber does not have an ARL?
                    Give a link, it's interesting to read
                    All the sources that I read describe exactly the radar.
                    Guidance in the final section of the trajectory is carried out using the ARGS-14E anti-jamming active radar homing head, which effectively distinguishes subtle small-sized targets against the background of the underlying surface. ARGS-14E head with a diameter of 514 mm and a weight of 40 kg was developed by JSC NPP Radar MMS (St. Petersburg)

                    https://missilery.info/missile/3m14e
                    1. abc_alex
                      abc_alex 17 December 2021 14: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      Have you seen somewhere that the GOS Caliber does not have an ARL?
                      Give a link, it's interesting to read


                      I'll get better. What makes you think that the Caliber has only one guidance system. A link to a detailed description of Russian tactical missile guidance systems? Are you seriously? :)
                      Well, okay, let's say she is alone and completely wound up on the radar seeker. So how does a set of corner reflectors help? Do you seriously think that a tactical surface-to-surface missile is guided according to the principle of "bright spot"?
  6. White man
    White man 15 December 2021 19: 27
    0
    Hmm ... The report of the British on the topic is adequate, in my opinion. Is there anything similar in our thought?
  7. Skipper
    Skipper 15 December 2021 19: 42
    +3
    The British would have shown this speech in parliament 80-150 years ago ... also in parliament .... there would have either died of a heart attack or from anger.
  8. akims
    akims 15 December 2021 20: 30
    +1
    They do not have heavy weapons, even though they are closely similar in terms of price-performance ratio.
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 December 2021 21: 12
      0
      They have Tomahawks. But they are in no hurry to put it on their ships.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 December 2021 22: 00
        -4
        "They have Tomahawks. But they are in no hurry to put it on their ships."


        Maybe because they need Aegis for their target designation, and they don't really want to "be friends" with British systems? )))
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 December 2021 01: 27
          -1
          Tomahawks fly great even without Aegis.
          I remember that in one movie they were stolen from a battleship during the Second World War, a local chef interfered
          The British use Tomahawks from submarines without any Aegis
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 16 December 2021 23: 30
          0
          Quote: lucul
          Maybe because they need Aegis to target them.

          you probably wanted to say GPS. but he is also American. the Brita are generally not very rocket-armed. and for the missiles themselves and for the means of guidance, they are completely dependent on the United States.
  9. Basarev
    Basarev 15 December 2021 20: 37
    +1
    Quite a good idea, if you do not get carried away and do not put these corvettes as the basis of the fleet and also have a single project, and not our zoo. I have always believed that a strike ship is the essence of a floating launch vehicle. True, for a high-quality performance of the task, the boat must walk well. That is, you need a good diesel engine. Or a gas turbine plant. Or to establish an electric movement ... But not our wretched motors and wretched electronics.
    1. poquello
      poquello 15 December 2021 20: 58
      +2
      Quote: Basarev
      I have always believed that a strike ship is the essence of a floating launch vehicle. True, for a high-quality performance of the task, the boat must walk well. That is, you need a good diesel engine. Or a gas turbine plant. Or to establish an electric movement ... But not our wretched motors and wretched electronics.

      you yourself are poor, for launching a caliber from the Caspian you "must walk well"))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  10. Artemion3
    Artemion3 15 December 2021 21: 46
    0
    And we should build a series of one type of corvette, not three.
  11. lucul
    lucul 15 December 2021 22: 02
    -2
    Dr. Sidharth Kaushal, speaking in parliament, believes that, following the Russian example, the Type 32 should be armed with a ground-targeting missile:

    What a gorgeous theme to dunk opps, like naughty kittens, in one place))))
  12. Dizel200
    Dizel200 15 December 2021 22: 23
    0
    It's time for the Anglo-Saxons to cut their eggs
  13. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 15 December 2021 22: 41
    -3
    it is obvious that the English admirals are smart because they understood my idea about the obsolescence of large surface ships (they specifically translate my wise thoughts into English tongue ), although the idea is obvious to everyone, no matter how smart, and without my efforts .. and it's sad that our home-grown members of the aircraft carrier witness sect without translation are not able to understand wisdom, but only meanly, stupidly and silently minus
    1. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 16 December 2021 03: 00
      0
      Your wise man has survived all other mental faculties. You don't even see that the British are only worried about the fact that the cheap and large enough ships of this project have weak weapons, they will not be exchanged for any trifle. Ask what the main ships of the escort will be - the Type 26 frigate and especially the Type 83 destroyer, and at the same time the cost of the Israeli Sa'ar 6.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 16 December 2021 08: 55
        0
        Quote: Yuri V.A
        frigate type 26

        a typical frigate 1155 in terms of displacement and EM is about the same, in general it is obvious that the British abandoned large surface ships in addition to the AB they needed for overseas territories
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 16 December 2021 09: 08
          0
          Where did you see the typicality, when the previous generation of British frigates, type 23, had half the VI, that is, obvious growth. Or do you, out of habit, look at the screen through a mirror?
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 16 December 2021 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Yuri V.A
            Where did you see the typical

            I just compared the displacement figures and they turned out to be close, but what did you want? and if you prefer to go into history, then tell me why there are no cruisers and battleships in England, and is this not obvious proof of the obsolescence of large surface ships?
            1. Yuri V.A
              Yuri V.A 16 December 2021 09: 57
              0
              It depends on what to call a cruiser and battleship, where are the clear class boundaries? Not so long ago, the leaders of the destroyers were from the current corvette. If the same Chinese type 055 is larger than the Atlant project cruiser, what difference does it make that it is on the list of destroyers. And in England they will build no less type 83 destroyer, here is such a story and such a proof.
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 16 December 2021 08: 58
        0
        your stupidity has exceeded all possible limits, you cannot understand my wisdom, and this is not some kind of fact, but the real truth
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 16 December 2021 09: 23
          0
          Precisely, this is not a fact and not even a truth, this is the truth and therefore, from now on, the wise Vovan will turn to you.
  14. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 15 December 2021 22: 43
    -2
    it is obvious to the British admirals that large surface ships are outdated
  15. Klingon
    Klingon 16 December 2021 04: 36
    -1
    Quote: Mitroha
    They criticize us, they adopt our experience. Wonderful are your deeds, O Lord

    Yes, there are a lot of examples of this: - we have destroyed the Soviet education system by replacing the moronic EG and they have, on the contrary, taken the Soviet education system as a model. I'm talking about the Brit