US Press: Three days will be enough for the Russian army to reach the Dnieper and capture Kiev

In the event of the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine, the Russian army will have enough three days to achieve its goals. At the same time, the United States will have nothing to oppose to Russia, except for promises of "draconian measures." This is the opinion of the authors of an article for the American edition of The National Interest.

Russia is ready to attack Ukraine, and the United States is the loser in this situation, American experts say. Despite the fact that the American army is the largest in the world, the military budget is huge, and there are ten times more allies than Russia, in this situation all the trump cards are on Moscow's side. Firstly, Russia knows the terrain well, secondly, it can bring more forces into battle, and thirdly, it is better prepared for war.

In this situation, Russia will win, and rather quickly. Considering the forces that it can bring to Ukraine, and this is not less than 200 thousand servicemen, as well as the direction of the strike, it will take the Russian army from three to four days to reach the Dnieper and capture Kiev. At the same time, the Ukrainian army will not offer serious resistance, again taking into account the weapons that will be deployed by Russia.

According to experts, the offensive will begin with missile and artillery strikes on defense nodes, the sky will be closed by an unmanned and manned aviation, while Russian anti-aircraft systems will not allow a retaliatory strike. The use of high-precision missiles and loitering ammunition will make it possible to strike at the positions of the Ukrainian army. Only after all this will ground troops go on the offensive.

Having reached the Dnieper, the Russian army will fulfill its task, although an offensive is possible up to the borders of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic - the Russian enclave in Moldova and the capture of Odessa. Moscow is unlikely to seize Western Ukraine cut off from the sea.

Against this background, Washington is not planning direct military intervention, which is the right decision, the authors of the article believe. The United States is unlikely to be able to confront Russia in its field and will surely lose, since the forces are too unequal. Even the advantage of the Americans in the air component in Ukraine will not play a role, Russia will neutralize it with the help of its air defense.

In this situation, Washington can only threaten with "draconian" sanctions, but Moscow has already calculated this factor, so there is only one way to avoid war - to negotiate, the authors summarize.

Earlier in the Ukrainian media, a statement appeared that, "if you do not be ready," then "the Russian military convoy will pass from Sumy to Kiev in 6 hours."

Comments

[Two]

Surely the impulses of sanity flashed? Or will they ask for even more money for the self-styled people?

[Uncle lee]

only one way to avoid war is to negotiate

Do we have anyone to negotiate with?

[Pereira]

With those who will sign the act of unconditional surrender.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Greetings, Vladimir!
And what? The Americans are quite correct in their assessment of the situation. Although - I'm sure - the plan of the Russian General Staff is better!

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Dos

Surely the impulses of sanity flashed?

What the fuck, "sanity" if this is just another yeast in the jolt "Ah-ah-ah !!! Putin is about to attack Ukraine !!!"

Quote: Dos

Or will they ask for even more money for the self-styled people?

Who has who? States on their own? Russia nafig does not need Ukraine in NATO, the Donbass mess then started. Moreover, all the actors extract their dividends from it. In relation to the residents of Donbass, this is cynical, but what do politicians care about morality?

[Two]

So far, as that, requested from the state budget, for the confrontation with Russia.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Dos

Surely the impulses of sanity flashed? Or will they ask for even more money for the self-styled people?

Their task is to fight against Russia with the hands of Ukrainians - to knock two kindred peoples head-on.
As a result, at the behest of the "Washington Regional Committee", the forcibly drafted Ukrainians will fall for "independence" - the interests of their oligarchs and other Svidomo.

[Alexandr bogun]

Yes, "svidomye" will fall, but ours are immortals. Dmitry, you have forgotten Chechnya, then we had an advantage both in the number of personnel and in weapons, but in three days it did not work out. And here we are talking about the same people as we are, and they are fighting no worse than us, and unlike the Chechens, there is full-fledged artillery, and even if the old air defense, electronic warfare, anti-ship missiles, remnants of the air force are present, and that the worst is the border with such ours " friends "like the Poles. Their land army is far from the weakest, given the closest countries to us. Let's get into this swamp and then there will be problems for tens of years and we will put thousands of our guys, at best, thousands. I don’t know about you, but I don’t really want to put my head in a mess in another country. I gave my 3 years of service to Russia and risked one thing for my country and its defense and it’s completely different for what need our boys should not die. guarding the borders, and establishing order in 404 countries, where we will also be enemies and will not give a damn in the back.

[210ox]

Many people think that they will greet us there with flowers. At best, spitting in the back. Who needs it?

[Alexandr bogun]

I'm talking about this. Let them live as they want, if we are bad for them, then let them do without us. And then with these "brotherhoods" then we will also be extreme. I don’t want to say, but look how in Syria the locals themselves will make bad things with us, too, to communicate with Belarus while Luka sits there is also rare stupidity, seeing where his legitimacy rests on, it was easier to eliminate him and help hold normal elections, there for sure "European" candidates will not win, but we had candidates that were much more popular and adequate. But we will help all the ghouls and politically build a kind of "union state", but in fact we are building an alliance personally with Lukashenka, not the people. The result will also not be very pleasant for us in the future ...

[isv000]

Quote: Dos

Surely the impulses of sanity flashed? Or will they ask for even more money for the self-styled people?

Today they tweeted in the news that Brussels is going to allocate aid to polo countries ... NATO partners 2 billion euros. The wide-eyed now screech about the Russian attack, so that they would pour more pennies ...

[Alexandr bogun]

The wide-eyed now screech about the Russian attack, so that they would pour more pennies ...

So this is their working scheme and in the end they will receive the same money. Here you can laugh at them, but the fact remains, there they whine, they ask, there they shout, and as a result, billions fly under ephemeral pretexts.

[210ox]

What sanity? Did they ask the question "Do we need IT?"

[militarist63]

Surely the impulses of sanity flashed? Or will they ask for even more money for the self-styled people?

Probably they will ask for money! However, mostly for myself - for the Pentagon!

[prior]

The Russian contingent on the Ukrainian border is needed not to conquer Ukraine, but to maintain order if millions of Ukrainian migrants flood into Russia after Ukraine runs out of gas, oil, electricity and another Maidan.
Pass this on to the Americans who have the opportunity.

[Alexandr bogun]

if millions of Ukrainian migrants flood to Russia after Ukraine runs out of gas, oil, electricity and another Maidan.

Well, you wrote this fantasy or what you would like, but we are not tired of telling ourselves every year that they will freeze, the electricity will run out? I think if in 14-15 years it did not end, then now with their curators it is for sure to wait for this to be an extremely naive and infantile person. With regards to our contingent and refugees from Ukraine, do you remember many who want to flee to us in Russia, with the exception of the border territories of the Republics? All I read about is how millions of them flee to Eastern Europe, but somehow they are in no hurry to visit us. So the theory about the contingent to guard the borders from refugees from Ukraine is like they are waiting for refugees from Belarus. Come back to reality, I think over the past 8 years it was necessary to understand a lot with regards to the "sharavarniki" ...

[prior]

My reality does not intersect with yours.
I used to go to Ukraine to visit my relatives 4-5 times a year without any problems. For the last two years, I cannot speak at all. At the border, they simply go out of their way to find a reason and not miss it. And I know perfectly well how things are going there. A village of 600 yards will barely have a dozen cows. And before that there was a cow in everyone.
The bus service between the district and the villages is a Soviet anachronism. Schools and cultural centers are being closed in dozens of villages, there is no one to teach, no one to visit, nothing to heat with, nothing to support. From half of the houses on the street, people left some for Europe, some for Russia.
I am not saying that everything is fine in Russia.
But if what is happening in Ukraine is not extinction, then what?
And how Europe is waiting for refugees from other countries was clearly shown by the events on the Polish-Belarusian border.
Do you think refugees from Ukraine are expected and met differently?
Does Russia need such a Ukraine?

[Alexandr bogun]

I used to go to Ukraine to visit my relatives 4-5 times a year without any problems. For the last two years, I cannot speak at all. At the border, they simply go out of their way to find a reason and not miss it.

I also used to go to my second cousin in the Kharkiv region, but for a very long time I have not even tried to go by the fact that I served in the army from 2015 to 2017, and if something happens, they will immediately accept me as a saboteur. But I, unlike you, understand why I am not going and that it is somehow strange to blame them for this. It was not they who grew at the expense of our territory, but we. There are a million reasons why we and Crimea decided so, about the Black Sea Fleet, about the protection of Russians, the Russian language, about the roots of Russian Christianity from Chersonesos, and God knows what else can be said. But we are not saying this for them, but for ourselves. Do they look at it differently and take what they were, and then expect that they will meet us at the border with flowers? Well I do not know...

A village of 600 yards will barely have a dozen cows. And before that there was a cow in everyone.
The bus service between the district and the villages is a Soviet anachronism. Schools and cultural centers are being closed in dozens of villages, there is no one to teach, no one to visit, nothing to heat with, nothing to support. From half of the houses on the street, people left some for Europe, some for Russia.
I am not saying that everything is fine in Russia.

Now I cannot understand, you have listed what is happening in our country and are trying to teach it as if earlier Ukraine was a superpower or even a regional power. But this is not so, I am from the Krasnodar Territory, these stories of yours about a dozen cows for 600 yards are for me, this is a very familiar situation, and she is familiar with the fact that we have the same thing in the Krasnodar Territory, where fertile lands are in the hands of Agroholdings and now it makes no sense to just keep cows, it is easier to go to a nearby settlement and in some kind of "Pyatorochka" at the checkout to earn both milk and milk. Cows are kept only by old people who, by habit, all their lives are used to keeping some kind of cattle. All lands, if not directly "Miratorg" so their subsidiaries. About the fact that there is no bus service between settlements, I don't know which village you went to, my second cousin lives in the Kharkiv region, the city of Kupyansk, and from there, buses went to villages throughout the region, maybe everything has degraded there since the 14th year, but every year my sister visits me now and I didn’t hear that there was something that had drastically deteriorated, there was no honey and plus or minus it was. I don’t know about schools, houses of culture, I wasn’t interested, but we also do not open houses of culture in every village. I'm interested in this with my sister, but judging by how you try to believe that everyone there freezes and has nothing to heat, I already understand that this is so much your personal observation, and a lot of our TV) Every year the same story will freeze and crawl on the belly and for 8 years no one is frozen or crawling. Regarding migration, well, I was not interested either, but what is the problem, if as long as I can remember, they went to us to earn money, and now they travel to Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe? The problem is that, they have not been at home before, and now they are not sitting, only the routes where to go have changed. And the most interesting thing is why they don't come to us. I am from the city of Tikhoretsk and our average salary ranges from 25 to 000 rubles, 40 is already a good salary (for the city), and my second cousin from a town in the Kharkov region (Kupyansk) receives about 000 at the post office. ours, more precisely, 40 with a penny. And the question is, should we talk to you about how bad it is there, if in the not-forgotten city of the Krasnodar Territory the salary is almost the same as in the border town of the northern region of Ukraine?

But if what is happening in Ukraine is not extinction, then what?

About the extinction in Ukraine, again, according to the statistics of Rosstat, 600 more deaths than those born this year have died, is this not extinction? Or I should be more worried about how much the neighbors have died out, I think definitely not more than ours, but you are very worried about their extinction, and ours is not very much.

And how Europe is waiting for refugees from other countries was clearly shown by the events on the Polish-Belarusian border.

This does not bother me at all, there are no refugees on our borders, and it's good, I'm not going to run anywhere. And what is there on the border of Poland with Lukashenka, it concerns me even less than how much Ukraine is dying out or in which village their house of culture was closed. There will be villagers who are not cultured with them

Do you think refugees from Ukraine are expected and met differently?

What kind of refugees from Ukraine are you talking about? We both worked before, and now they work, but much less, mostly they were replaced by workers from Central Asia. The fact that they are fleeing straight to Europe as refugees, I have not heard of that.

Does Russia need such a Ukraine?

And why do we even need it in any form, we have a Union State with Belarus, in the 17th year I went there for the last time as a contract soldier. And what makes it easier for you to live? I don't, the salary is not more, the taxes are not less, breathing is not easier. And when I hear about 2-3 billion dollars that go there in the form of investments, this is not counting our military assistance, then I do not really like that these 3 billion are not in my Krasnodar Territory, but to someone only for the fact that it is 2 times a year will say that "we are fraternal peoples." Ukraine will be or not, I don't care about it, Ukraine is important to me only because my relatives are there and I don't want them to be bad and that's it. But I am not going to drag them to me against their will. It was fine with me how I used to go to them every summer to have a rest, they come to me. And now we have Crimea, we protect Russians in Donbass, and we got somewhere 3-4 million new citizens, but lost the rest of Ukraine and 35 million not just neighbors, but really relatives. Did we live well with them after 91? As for me, yes, but the peoples got along well. But the governments squabbled but on a family basis. Now that's it, we have chosen Crimea to be the place of all of Ukraine and how can you complain that after our choice, now neither you nor I can normally travel to Ukraine as before, I will not be so hypocritical. I can understand them, if from us Sochi (for example), say, the Turks were reunited, I would not be happy about this either, and I would no longer have any goodwill towards Turkey. We made our choice and let's live with him, and not include the offended and pretend that we do not understand why this attitude towards us has become. I just resigned myself and now it is not I who go to Ukraine to visit my relatives, but they come to me.

[swnvaleria]

three days to Kiev? this is a lot, if our army enters the ukraine then they will reach Kiev just a couple of hours, they will show the way themselves and organize escort, but do we need it?

[Pereira]

It will take two days for the bombing. And then the march.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Pereira

It will take two days for the bombing. And then the march.

It will take at least 3 days to suppress Ukrainian air defense alone. There are also strikes at the warehouses of fuels and lubricants, power supply units, communication centers. And only then the introduction of troops, the clearance of areas, etc. etc. Ukraine is not Georgia, the territory is not small. And we will not go to the Dnieper. The administrative boundaries of the LDNR are enough for us.

[Black Colonel]

One tough paratrooper once said on TV that Grozny would be occupied by one airborne regiment in two hours.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Black Colonel

One tough paratrooper once said on TV that Grozny would be occupied by one airborne regiment in two hours.

Hurray-pats have a different scale - they measure by "march to Pristina". Some have already fantasized before

Quote: swnvaleria

in a couple of hours for sure

Negative values ​​coming soon. Apparently, Kiev itself will creep up to Moscow.

[Pereira]

Negative values ​​coming soon. Apparently, Kiev itself will creep up to Moscow.

They have been waiting for this for 7 years. Didn't wait.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Pereira

They have been waiting for this for 7 years.

nd, you have to be an idiot to wait for this after the Crimea and Donbass.

Quote: Pereira

Didn't wait.

maybe another seven years to wait? "Either the donkey dies, or the emir" (c)?

[Sovpadenie]

in this case, I would like to know an alternative opinion on the timing of the "anti-hurray-pat"

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Sovpadenie

in this case, I would like to know an alternative opinion

alternative to what? The fact that the RA in two hours will reach from Sumy to Kiev, eh? The thesis is initially stupid to oppose it.

[Sovpadenie]

Interesting. All opinions that run counter to yours are "initially stupid" and at the same time it is vital to stick the "hurray-pata" label.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Sovpadenie

All opinions that run counter to yours are "initially stupid"

Not "all", but only stupid ones. Don't you think that the thought “we’ll make it to Kiev overnight, as we did to Pristina, in the corridor from the jubilant crowd” is filled with bravura hap-handed idiocy?

[Roman_vh]

That is not to crawl and stand. Died so died

[dzvero]

Grozny will be occupied by one airborne regiment in two hours

If that regiment of the Airborne Forces was of the "model of 1976", it is quite possible ...

[Alexandr bogun]

Quote: swnvaleria

three days to Kiev? this is a lot, if our army enters the ukraine then they will reach Kiev just a couple of hours, they will show the way themselves and organize escort, but do we need it?

Do you believe it yourself? Before writing such nonsense, read how long the siege of Grozny (a small town with 50 population) lasted from the beginning of August to the end of November. And in Ukraine, there is one Dnepropetrovsk with a millionaire or Kharkov, not just to take, but just competently to prepare a siege, it will go well for several weeks. Without preparation, storming such large urban spaces is fraught with even fighting against not very prepared militia forces, and here we are talking about a regular army with anti-tank systems, air defense forces, a large number of armored vehicles, and no matter how much we like it, most of it is a loyal population. Remember the siege of Aleppo, which lasted several months, and we are talking about a much smaller city and there was not a regular army with heavy weapons, artillery, tanks, air defense and electronic warfare. And ours competently did everything with the Syrians, but not in 000 days, but in a few months. And when you read this kind of insanity, then it becomes scary as a person who has given military duty for 3 years, that some politician who is not adequate or, God forbid, a general will sit and give an order like this to march 3 or 3 days before Kiev. You either go to serve to understand what an army is, or at least read what a modern siege of a large city is in which, say, a full-fledged motorized rifle brigade keeps the defense. It will be useful for you ...

[paul3390]

Even the advantage of the Americans in the air component in Ukraine

Where else is it from ???

[rocket757]

US Press: Three days will be enough for the Russian army to reach the Dnieper and capture Kiev

It seems like they already wrote, the same thing, the day before?
The question is, what will be repeated, whom are they trying to convince, that "there will be no kinetic, because ... the cinematographer, where has he gone?"

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: rocket757

It seems like they already wrote, the same thing, the day before?

So what? The topic is fertile, and VO knows the erogenous zones of its audience well. "Give me Kiev!" For dinner!

[Vladimir Vlasov]

The USA and NATO will not allow it.

[Black Colonel]

Who will ask them? They reached Pristina overnight without asking anyone. There was one factor holding back progress — the jubilant local population.

[Alexandr bogun]

What a jubilant population? You saw this "jubilant population" in Kharkov when a couple of buses arrived there with frightened soldiers of the internal troops with truncheons? You can watch the full video of how our guys are deduced who are for Russia, and they are also rushed at them. When Russians were burned in Odessa, where was there a jubilant population demanding to punish the guilty? A couple of bucks came out and that's it. For Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, etc. in general it is not necessary to speak. Even in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, there was no Pristina, and now, after 8 years of propaganda, hoping for a march is to live in a parallel universe. I will see how you will be in the column that will make this march. How many are inadequate who do not understand elementary things, the war with Ukraine is not a war with already destroyed Yugoslavia or with small Georgia, which even took 7 days of hostilities. And in Georgia, the army was about 15 people, and we are talking about a country with an army of 000 people and the last 250 years preparing for war with us. What 000 days ?!

[tralflot1832]

The states have been spoiled on their island, a favorite pastime is counting how many kilometers Russian divisions will pass in a day. It would be better if they calculated how much damage the United States would inflict at least 300 joggers! puddle in the "crystal city" on the hill, this one will go as a trailer. The first will get a house in the form of a pentagon, and a house where there is an oral room. So it is better not to give a reason that our tanks do not go west.

[Momento]

nuclear weapons are useless. nobody will apply it. the whole point of occupying the territory is lost.

[tralflot1832]

Hiroshima from Nagosaki seemed to be immediately settled after the restoration.

[Momento]

it's not about radiation, it's about the consequences. and they are not acceptable to anyone.
for all the problems, even India and Pakistan did not use nuclear weapons.
although Israel is said to have been very close to it. time passed not for days, but for hours.

[isv000]

Quote: tralflot1832

and a house where there is an oral office.

All the women of Russia then were on the side of Bill! ..

[Siberian 66]

I remember the same moaning of amers before "Desert Storm"))) We are not ready, there are no reserves, there are few troops, another two or three months are needed, and in general we feel bad here ... And then once, and all the way around ...

[Oleg123219307]

And, as always, there is no answer to two questions - why did this Ukraine surrender to us, and then what to do with it? The population is 30-40% enemies, and it is precisely that enemies, and not "lost brothers" as some of us believe, who grew up on Bandera propaganda, and sincerely strive to drive tanks around Moscow, the industry is in ruins, and the one that still works meets the highest standards of the 70s of the last century, the infrastructure is killed, the social system is killed, instead of wealth that could be seized and used at least to restore what they have done there over the years - a mountain of loans, the GTS is falling apart, and it is not needed already in fact, the nuclear power plant is in a depressing state and has been working for the second year for wear and tear ... There we need to pour 10 of our budgets in order to at least slightly pull them out of the ass. And why is not clear. Such investments will pay off, God forbid, in a century, and even that is not a fact. With new weapons systems, talk of a buffer to NATO is essentially a lot of optimism. Then it is necessary to demolish Turkey, and Georgia, and Azerbaijan, and Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and who will go for it and why? As for the people - yes, there are Russian people there. But how would anyone want to go to Russia already in Russia, as Crimeans and as a few million Russians who have just left Ukraine, and who wants to live in their own country, then is there any point in dragging them by force? Apparently, our government adheres to approximately the same logic, not meddling in their affairs, simply not allowing Donbass to be crushed. I still believe that you can pick up the DPR and LPR. All these years of the war qualitatively exterminated Bandera from these territories. But the rest of Ukraine is either to take it away or to arrange genocide, which we will never do, or to get a mine under our country, in the form of an economic bottomless hole and a population that hates us. And fairy tales from across the ocean tell us how tomorrow we will capture all of Ukraine ...

[Curious Katya]

Quote: oleg123219307

Population 30-40% enemies

Well, that means 70% are not enemies?
And these 30% - well, let them go to Europe to wash toilets ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Curious Katya

Well, that means 70% are not enemies?
And these 30% - well, let them go to Europe to wash toilets ...

Here, it seems to me, the distribution is as follows - 30-40% are enemies, 10-20% are friends, and the rest simply do not care about us, they care about when the salary is paid, how to raise children, how to build a business, how and how to live in general. But this is until we descended there with the war. Do you understand how those 30% of enemies will fight back? They have only one option against us - human shields. And we will have to capture cities where they shoot from every corner, and either lose thousands of our soldiers, or simply demolish everything and everyone from the Hurricanes and Solntsepeks there, so that love for us among those whose houses we burn and whose relatives we kill will not add a dime ... So we will get enemies from those who today are not an enemy and not a friend, but simply by themselves.

[Nastia makarova]

enemies on the strength of 5%, the rest of the enemies on the Internet and wave flags, but in reality, as it smells fried, they will leave or change their clothes

[Oleg123219307]

It was 5% when the union was falling apart. And that was enough. And now 30 years have passed, 2 full-fledged generations of "ancient ukrov" have grown up. This is just about 40 percent of the population. And they grew up not on stories about Victory, about labor exploits, history and greatness of the Motherland, but on dreams of dumping to the west and working there for dollars / euros, and stories of how and why we are to blame for their lousy standard of living. And you suppose these are not enemies? If tomorrow the Americans or the Chinese would invade us here under any kind of cries about the economy, I would go to fight regardless of the sweetness of their stories. Because I have a homeland. The last two Ukrainian generations also have it, but now, unfortunately, it is different ...

[Nastia makarova]

you yourself said that now these enemies have a different homeland and they will not go to die for Nenka, but they don’t like us, but they don’t want to die either

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

yes, they don't like us, but they don't want to die either

and our 20-year-old boys want to to die for a fantasy "Russian world" outside the borders of their homeland?
Let's be honest - if the most dramatic scenario happens, and the whole world will be on the side of Ukraine, and it is we who, in spite of our muttering about "Nazis in Kiev", will be equated with the Third Reich, because for everyone the parallels with 1936, 1938, 1939 will be obvious ... Personally, this does not suit me. And you?

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

and our 20-year-old boys want to die for a fantasy "Russian world" outside the borders of their homeland?
Let's be honest - if the most dramatic scenario happens, and the whole world will be on the side of Ukraine, and it is we who, in spite of our muttering about "Nazis in Kiev", will be equated with the Third Reich, because for everyone the parallels with 1936, 1938, 1939 will be obvious ... Personally, this does not suit me. And you?

Well, for all the consistency of your position, there are two flaws in it. First, for us today there is no enemy in the world who can defeat us. Here is straight without any options at all. To destroy the whole world with us and ourselves - yes, the United States can. But to win, even by uniting all together - no way. So millions of our boys will not have to die. In spite of all the western whine, we should not forget - if it is completely pinned down, and we will find ourselves in the face of a total war with "united Europe", then we are able to take up the club and in 40 minutes not leave a single piece of living land from Europe without losing while NONE of their soldiers. And even the United States will not intervene, despite all the articles of the NATO charter, they simply will not want to pointlessly die for outsiders. You can't touch them themselves, yes, there will be a response right there, but everyone else is protected today not by force, but by pieces of paper and goodwill. Another question is that we do not need this, and it would even be very harmful, but remember what the difference is between a bunch of talkers in the EU and we still need to. And believe me - they remember, and will not come to us with a war of destruction. And the second point - are we going to commit genocide? To beat WMD in Ukraine, to arrange death camps there, to turn the population into slaves, to say that there should be no other people in the world except us, to go to the English Channel, cleaning everything and everyone along the way? Not? So what are the parallels? In the seizure of territories? Well, let's equate England, France, USA, Israel with the Reich, and almost everyone who fought and won in their history. Not? So why is this analogy here?

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: oleg123219307

First, for us today there is no enemy in the world who can defeat us.

Liberation campaign 2.0, which the couch hawks secretly and clearly covet here, will be carried out using conventional weapons. With all sorts of innovative gadgets Rostec - yes, but the usual. No one will uncover any nuclear cudgel precisely because of fear ... I don’t know, just die or go to heaven, which, in my opinion, is the same in principle. No Third World War with epic nuclear mushrooms is foreseen.

Quote: oleg123219307

So why is this analogy here?

I cited as a parallel the years marked by the expansionism of the Reich precisely under the slogan of eliminating territorial injustice, dissatisfaction with the Versailles system (in our case, the Belovezhskaya one), “saving” an ethnic minority that found itself through a misunderstanding in a “foreign” country along with a piece of this country, and reanimating the empire ... Surkov's rhetoric and apologetics of the "Russian world" are the propaganda underpinnings of all this action. "Genocide", "English Channel", "concentration camps", "slaves" - you take the allusion of the Europeans too literally.

Quote: oleg123219307

the answer will arrive

to be honest, I hate the word otvetka. Plebeian. But this is a matter of taste.

Quote: oleg123219307

So millions of our boys will not have to die.

You know, I didn't talk about millions. Everyone's life is priceless.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

Liberation campaign 2.0, which the couch hawks secretly and clearly covet here, will be carried out using conventional weapons. With all sorts of innovative gadgets Rostec - yes, but the usual. No one will uncover any nuclear cudgel precisely because of fear ... I don’t know, just die or go to heaven, which, in my opinion, is the same in principle. No Third World War with epic nuclear mushrooms is foreseen.

And who longs for this campaign, perhaps I, who wrote the above comment in the spirit of "what for, she surrendered to us this Ukraine" from which the discussion began? And my comment about the club related to the comparison with the Reich - their fate turned out to be so sad because they swung into war with the enemy, who turned out to be stronger and was able to defeat them. The example about the club clearly illustrates - the analogy is inappropriate, for us there are no such opponents. This is not a call for the capture of Europe (not out of humanism, I don’t care about their problems) but out of everyday expediency - not a piece on our mouth - we will choke. Europe - a billion people and all enemies if we come to capture them. This cannot be held back and no benefit will come of us. And to destroy - again, why. If as part of a retaliatory strike, then yes, but I wrote that, and if we hit first, then what is our benefit from the fact that our largest trading partner will turn into a desert?

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

I cited as a parallel the years marked by the expansionism of the Reich precisely under the slogan of eliminating territorial injustice, dissatisfaction with the Versailles system (in our case, the Belovezhskaya one), “saving” an ethnic minority that found itself through a misunderstanding in a “foreign” country along with a piece of this country, and reanimating the empire ... Surkov's rhetoric and apologetics of the "Russian world" are the propaganda underpinnings of all this action. "Genocide", "English Channel", "concentration camps", "slaves" - you take the allusion of the Europeans too literally.

And how should I, a Russian, who grew up in a family that lost all 4 of my great-grandfathers in the war, on the stories of my grandfather and grandmother about hunger and the occupation of Krasnodar, which they found personally, should perceive the comparison of my Motherland with the Reich? Now it has become so fashionable to rush with words - the Internet, freedom and all things, but when choosing analogies, you should remember that not always that small part of the context that you wanted to cite as an example is ALL that contains an analogy ...

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

to be honest, I hate the word otvetka. Plebeian. But this is a matter of taste.

In this context, an abbreviation from "retaliatory nuclear strike", if you like in further discussion, I can refrain from cuts.

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

You know, I didn't talk about millions. Everyone's life is priceless.

Yes, yes, all the best ideas in the world are not worth a tear of one child. A rare nonsense. And where in this logic of life are people who are now being killed every day in Donbass, simply because they do not want to hate Russia?

[Alexandr bogun]

You also have a couple of shortcomings. When we say that "we will uncover a club in Europe" and not a single Russian soldier will die, then you forget where the real estate and, most importantly, the wives and children of our elite live ... is it not in Europe, through which we are going to launch nuclear missiles, but Where is the money of our elite, starting with the commander-in-chief Zin?))) Lavrov's children live in the United States and have citizenship, they are married to the locals. One of Putin's daughters lives in France, has citizenship and is married to a Frenchman. I won't talk about the deputies at all. Our oligarchs in general from Europe and the United States do not climb out. As a result, at whom and who will fire nuclear missiles? Now it is not the Soviet Union, now the world is global and people are moving calmly wherever they want, and in Europe there are millions of Russians, not counting the above, do you think that in order to save a couple of hundred thousand Russian soldiers, we will destroy a couple of million Russians and close relatives of our entire elite? ... You can forget about nuclear weapons, this is not Japan bombing cities where there is not a single American.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

You also have a couple of shortcomings. When we say that "we will uncover a club across Europe" and not a single Russian soldier will die, then you forget where the real estate and, most importantly, the wives and children of our elite live ...

Are they all Russian soldiers?

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

You also have a couple of shortcomings. When we say that "we will uncover a club in Europe" and not a single Russian soldier will die, then you forget where the real estate and, most importantly, the wives and children of our elite live ... is it not in Europe, through which we are going to launch nuclear missiles, but Where is the money of our elite, starting with the commander-in-chief Zin?))) Lavrov's children live in the United States and have citizenship, they are married to the locals. One of Putin's daughters lives in France, has citizenship and is married to a Frenchman. I won't talk about the deputies at all. Our oligarchs in general from Europe and the United States do not climb out. As a result, at whom and who will fire nuclear missiles? Now it is not the Soviet Union, now the world is global and people are moving calmly wherever they want, and in Europe there are millions of Russians, not counting the above, do you think that in order to save a couple of hundred thousand Russian soldiers, we will destroy a couple of million Russians and close relatives of our entire elite? ... You can forget about nuclear weapons, this is not Japan bombing cities where there is not a single American.

The upper elite has long been out of the West. Thanks to the sanctions, they are not clinical to keep money in someone else's wallet from which they can simply be taken. In recent years, their money is a share in infrastructure projects within the country - the concept of supreme power and oligarchy is simply growing together. In a couple of decades, this will lead to the fact that they will differ from the aristocrats of the Empire only in name. Let's see if it's for the best.

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

Lavrov's children live in the United States and have citizenship, they are married to the locals. One of Putin's daughters lives in France, has citizenship and is married to a Frenchman. I won't talk about the deputies at all. Our oligarchs in general from Europe and the United States do not climb out. As a result, at whom and who will fire nuclear missiles?

I wrote this in the context of an attack on us on any occasion of a united Europe. Such an event is ALWAYS preceded by a threatened period in which the kids will be pulled out of whoever needs it.

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

Now it is not the Soviet Union, now the world is global and people are moving calmly wherever they want, and in Europe there are millions of Russians, not counting the above, do you think that to save a couple of hundred thousand Russian soldiers, we will destroy a couple of million Russians and relatives of the closest of our entire elite?

I do not consider immigrants Russian, I consider them strangers. They left their homeland and went to look for a better life in a foreign land. To forbid them this - who we are so that to decide something for others, but I refuse to consider them our own and equalize their lives with the lives of our soldiers.

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

You can forget about nuclear weapons, this is not Japan bombing cities where there is not a single American.

Well, well, let's see.

[Alexandr bogun]

Are they all Russian soldiers?

no, not Russian soldiers, but relatives of those who give orders and make decisions. Do you think the grandchildren or children of these gentlemen of ours will gladly rush back to their native lands, abandoning everything that they have acquired by back-breaking labor?) I really doubt it.

The upper elite has long been out of the West. Thanks to the sanctions, they are not clinical to keep money in someone else's wallet from which they can simply be taken. In recent years, their money is a share in infrastructure projects within the country - the concept of supreme power and oligarchy is simply growing together. In a couple of decades, this will lead to the fact that they will differ from the aristocrats of the Empire only in name. Let's see if it's for the best.

Well, do you yourself believe that they are not in the west? Usmanov does not climb out of Britain, his wife, who is in charge of gymnastics, has appeared in Russia a couple of times in a year, and then she came to control the competition. Lavrov's daughter is a US citizen, her husband is a US citizen and they live there, you understand, they do not visit or relax, but live. She was born there in New York and has an American education. In your opinion, where is her "Motherland"?) Putin's ex-wife in France has two houses in Biarritz, the same with his daughter. The same situation is with the majority of our governors and deputies. They would rather run there than stay here.

I wrote this in the context of an attack on us on any occasion of a united Europe. Such an event is ALWAYS preceded by a threatened period in which the kids will be pulled out of whoever needs it.

No Europe will attack Russia, especially since there is no united Europe, the Germans treat us one by one, the French differently, the Poles their own way, Greeks, Italians and Spaniards just differently from others. No one, even in theory, is not going to fight with us because of Ukraine, but to give weapons, yes. To block our money and complicate our life significantly, yes. As a result, if there will be a war with Ukraine 35 million and NATO as a resource base in terms of weapons, intelligence and economic and diplomatic leverage on us. It is clear that no Ukraine will compete with the Russian army and will not stop it, but with the resources of NATO and the manpower of our "brotherly" country, this will not end well for us, and why go for it ...

I do not consider immigrants Russian, I consider them strangers. They left their homeland and went to look for a better life in a foreign land. To forbid them this - who we are so that to decide something for others, but I refuse to consider them our own and equalize their lives with the lives of our soldiers.

Well, it’s in vain, according to this logic, why do we need Ukraine then, the main idea is that we are restoring the "Russian World", and you say that they are not ours. I understand what you want to say, I am a like-minded person with you. Rather, you need to help your own people.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

no, not Russian soldiers, but relatives of those who give orders and make decisions. Do you think the grandchildren or children of these gentlemen of ours will gladly rush back to their native lands, abandoning everything that they have acquired by back-breaking labor?) I really doubt it.

It depends on the severity of the threat. If there is a real risk of nuclear war, they will explode, and how.

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

Well, do you yourself believe that they are not in the west? Usmanov does not climb out of Britain, his wife, who is in charge of gymnastics, has appeared in Russia a couple of times in a year, and then she came to control the competition. Lavrov's daughter is a US citizen, her husband is a US citizen and they live there, you understand, they do not visit or relax, but live. She was born there in New York and has an American education. In your opinion, where is her "Motherland"?) Putin's ex-wife in France has two houses in Biarritz, the same with his daughter. The same situation is with the majority of our governors and deputies. They would rather run there than stay here.

What's the point? In terms of strategic nuclear forces, we are stronger, our territory is larger, the population is smaller, and there is less centralization and urbanization. For us, the 3rd world will be a terrible disaster, we will lose 30% of the population and 10% of the territory, but we will survive. In Europe, and in the States, very few will remain alive, most likely - high overcrowding in cities, dependence on complex technologies for obtaining energy, highly efficient, but complex agriculture ... on an old diesel tractor that you can at least refuel with urine, they are not accustomed to. The very first winter and a skiff. And the point is to run there. Plus, here they are children of the highest power, and who are they there? One of a large pile of people with money that will be worth nothing the day after being hit?

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

No Europe will attack Russia, especially since there is no united Europe, the Germans treat us one by one, the French differently, the Poles their own way, Greeks, Italians and Spaniards just differently from others. No one, even in theory, is not going to fight with us because of Ukraine, but to give weapons, yes. To block our money and complicate our life significantly, yes.

And if not, why should we be afraid of them? Money is simply a medium of exchange. What are they doing without which we will not live that?

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

As a result, if there is a war with Ukraine 35 million and NATO as a resource base in terms of weapons, intelligence and economic and diplomatic leverage on us. It is clear that no Ukraine will compete with the Russian army and will not stop it, but with the resources of NATO and the manpower of our "brotherly" country, this will not end well for us, and why go for it ...

Well, it will end quickly and sadly for Ukraine, but in the question "why?" here I agree with you. These are no longer our people, they hate us, the economy is in ruins, and you cannot make them a part of your country without genocide and there is simply nothing to plunder there. One continuous hemorrhoid.

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

Well, it’s in vain, according to this logic, why do we need Ukraine then, the main idea is that we are restoring the "Russian World", and you say that they are not ours. I understand what you want to say, I am a like-minded person with you. Rather, you need to help your own people.

I am not a supporter of the restoration of the "Russian World" in this way. We did it once, and how did it end? We need to raise our country. And Ukraine, if they finally go too far and decide to attack or continue to crap (it seems to me a bit too much funding for children's death groups on our territory), it just needs to be destroyed without fighting. Bomb to hell with power plants, mines, industry, troops, and let them die of hunger.

[Alexandr bogun]

What's the point? In terms of strategic nuclear forces, we are stronger, our territory is larger, the population is smaller, and there is less centralization and urbanization. For us, the 3rd world will be a terrible disaster, we will lose 30% of the population and 10% of the territory, but we will survive. In Europe, and in the States, very few will remain alive, most likely - high overcrowding in cities, dependence on complex technologies for obtaining energy, highly efficient, but complex agriculture ... on an old diesel tractor that you can at least refuel with urine, they are not accustomed to. The very first winter and a skiff. And the point is to run there. Plus, here they are children of the highest power, and who are they there? One of a large pile of people with money that will be worth nothing the day after being hit?

we have more than 10% of the total population of Russia in Moscow alone, and this is only official, in the entire Moscow region, in a place with Moscow, more than 20%, about the same applies to St. Petersburg and Len. area. The destruction of only these 2 areas is already minus 30% of the population. I think it's no secret where the main agglomerations of the population are concentrated in our country. Plus, there is no need to assume that people live in our dense forests, the urbanization of Russia is 75% less than three-tenths! That is, no more than 25% of our population live in cities, and this is according to registration data, but in reality it is still more joyful. So it’s naive to think that for us a nuclear war is a painful operation, but for them death. The territory is large both in the United States and Canada, and there, too, not everyone lives in Los Angeles and New York. And the fact that they call it "rednecks" is the same deep population as ours, they live in small towns for a couple of thousand of the population, or on farms, armies serve and what a tractor is and they also know to work with their hands. It is not necessary exclusively to ascribe to us universal values ​​and some kind of survival skills. We have the same technology-dependent people in cities and there are enough robots. As our ancestors conquered Sibr, they sailed across the Oceans and it is not clear where they fought and built their own civilization. I do not like it when such an underestimation goes to rivals or even enemies. Then from Ukraine we say that brothers, and then we say that they do not know how to fight, they will run away. Then with NATO, the most powerful and highly developed countries in the economic and military bloc, we consider them as the main competitors and immediately underestimate ... the enemy must be respected and better overestimated than underestimated.

And if not, why should we be afraid of them? Money is simply a medium of exchange. What are they doing without which we will not live that?

To live and live fully are two different things. You can live with a stick and a match, but I would not call it life, especially understanding what benefits are now and what comfort is. I don't really want to return to the Paleolithic for the sake of showing off some political units.

Well, it will end quickly and sadly for Ukraine, but in the question "why?" here I agree with you. These are no longer our people, they hate us, the economy is in ruins, and you cannot make them a part of your country without genocide and there is simply nothing to plunder there. One continuous hemorrhoid.

It won't end quickly, I served in 15-17 years, and let's just say, the officers who were personally aware of what was there and how after the holidays, did not rush there for the second time and I did not hear from any of them that there were some awkward things, not to fight they know how, they go prisoner in formation, etc. Rather, it was pity that you were at war with your own people. And it was said about the semblance of the army that they had, now a completely different movie. But as soon as you go into the commentary, then everyone will be defeated in minutes, or days, and they say along the way, those who either did not serve in the army, or have no idea what is there and how. Otherwise I agree with you.

I am not a supporter of the restoration of the "Russian World" in this way. We did it once, and how did it end? We need to raise our country. And Ukraine, if they finally go too far and decide to attack or continue to crap (it seems to me a bit too much funding for children's death groups on our territory), it just needs to be destroyed without fighting. Bomb to hell with power plants, mines, industry, troops, and let them die of hunger.

Your country needs to be raised, yes. But you need to understand, as long as we have what they and the West consider Ukrainian, while they will shit and the problem here is not that they shit for the sake of the process itself, they have a goal to return "as they think" their own and how we can stations and industry, and they can reach a lot of things with their RS30 "Toronado" and Soviet "Tochki", and in the future, and with something more long-range. They are afraid to go to Crimea by military means, but they will attack the DPR and LPR, and I would not call it "us" they will attack. If we fit in for these republics, then this will be Ukraine's greatest gift, not diplomatically, but legally, they will immediately hang this territory with the population, everything that has been destroyed there over the years, etc. And that's all, they will stop the offensive, but they will trample there and the aviation and air defense "Petriot" and the Americans and the British, completely under the UN or OSCE mandate, will send their troops at the request of the Kiev authorities, claims for tens of billions of dollars will fly to international courts and they will win. And we will have to rebuild this territory, feed the population and also pay Ukraine billions of dollars in claims of international courts, and if we refuse, it will be what happened to YUKOS, our ships, companies, real estate and everything on which our flag hangs will be arrested and sold to please Ukraine. That's why they are shouting about the attack so that we get tired and throw something away, otherwise without our "aggression" they forget about them and don't give money, you know.

[Oleg123219307]

Their homeland is now Ukraine, how sad it is to admit it. They may not go to war, although it is not a fact, they go to Donbass, but after the victory they are quite able to arrange a sad life for us. From terrorist attacks and guerrilla warfare, to NGOs, spies and politicians. How did Khrushchev end up good for us? And here it is multiplied by 2 generations. Do we not get tired of living with such citizens in the same country?

[Nastia makarova]

85% do not consider Ukraine to be their homeland, home but not homeland to die for

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

85% do not consider Ukraine to be their homeland, home but not homeland to die for

Yeah? And what do they consider their homeland in this case? Besides, do you think that there is no need to fight for your home? Where do your numbers come from? From the talking heads of the first channel?

[Nastia makarova]

communication with people in the same kiev or kharkov, and how many from lviv come to Russia to work

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

communication with people ... come to Russia to work

Come on, by God. We also found a focus group - guest workers. Are you sure they are mumbling the same thing in their natural habitat? Full of this childishness.

[Alexandr bogun]

Where do you get these numbers from? Like most of our people in Ukraine, I have relatives and I have never heard from them that they consider themselves citizens of Russia or that Ukraine is not their country. Yes, even 90% of the population does not have a love of power there, but there is no need to confuse power and country. I don’t like our government either, but I served for a year, and if it’s necessary to “defend” the Motherland, then I will go again, but to defend my own and climb to others in their Monastery are two different things.

[Nastia makarova]

I read your comments, you drown that now there is a powerful army in Ukraine

[U-58]

Yes, they are not enemies. The best definition is khataskrayniki. The philosophy is as simple as 3 kopecks: if only I was good, I ate satisfyingly and drank sweetly. Moreover, under any power - Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Zanzibar - is not the essence.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: U-58

Yes, they are not enemies. The best definition is khataskrayniki. The philosophy is as simple as 3 kopecks: if only I was good, I ate satisfyingly and drank sweetly. Moreover, under any power - Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Zanzibar - is not the essence.

I answered this a little higher. This is how they treat until during the war they cover the Banderaites and they begin to die under our bombs. And as soon as they start, there will be no love for us at all.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: oleg123219307

But the rest of Ukraine is either to take it away, or to arrange genocide, which we will never do, or to get a mine under our country, in the form of an economic bottomless hole and a population that hates us. And fairy tales from across the ocean tell us how tomorrow we will capture all of Ukraine ...

This is for sure, in no case further than the LDNR on this territory it is impossible to climb, the children of the local have already been brainwashed.

[Incvizitor]

If it was possible to get these 30-40% against the wall, then it makes sense, but in this age of vile tolerance and flirting with geeks, no one will touch such people.

[U-58]

Of course, it's better to come to an agreement. Nobody wants to fight.
War is unlikely to benefit any party to the conflict.

[dimy44]

Already tired. Same. They ask and they ask. We don’t want to!

[Mikhail Sidorov]

I look in the US press and there is nothing more to discuss, that the blacks have calmed down ... there are no elections ... we only have to wash our bones

[askort154]

The use of high-precision missiles and loitering ammunition will make it possible to strike at the positions of the Ukrainian army. Only after all this will ground troops go on the offensive.

These "strategists" have forgotten about the Russian electronic warfare, which in 2014 completely paralyzed the connection between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Crimea. For a long time, neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Kiev, but even the CIA knew about what was happening there.

[Stealth Man]

There is no military or political need to initiate hostilities. There are citizens, whatever one may say, but the whole is still - country neighboring, there is some kind of regime in this country (criminal, illegitimate - it does not matter, it is), and also there are some generally accepted norms: from ratified agreements at the level of international law, and to simple human ones.

If the citizens of the country believe that it is better for them to live with such a newly born power, and everyone agrees - ok, alas, but this is their right. Even if both the authorities and citizens are often Russophobes, as in the same neighboring European country.
If a significant part of citizens is against this government (they consider it, for example, not legitimate), a dialogue is needed as the only way to prevent a civil war. If there is no dialogue, then a) the war will be (and is already underway) b) the war will be "to victory" - either the "reds" or the "whites" will prevail.

And here the entire world community has a wave of "double standards" and "questions". If a country has been an independent player on the world stage for more than a quarter of a century (it does not matter, even if formally), and it was recognized as such, entered into agreements with it, conducted economic activities - can such a country be denied the right to "establish constitutional order" on its territory ?
Still remember that our country, in spite of all the Lords of the Jad, and other world of the ball, even if not the first time, but put things in order in its republics, using almost all types of weapons?

One can argue about the reasons, methods, “the incomparable cannot be compared, in Russia the planes were blown up and the houses, the terrorists who came from abroad .., And in the case of the neighboring country, the citizens simply did not agree to become .. visible” - it does not matter. It is important that in both cases the political leadership of the country made a decision to conduct a military operation on the territory of their country, and the citizens of this state, among other things, are against the armed forces of the country.

History shows that the "world community" - very briskly intervenes (the example of the defeated Yugoslavia), and begins to punish the governments of such states only in two cases: 1) if they are not satellites of the "world community" 2) if the country does not have nuclear weapons.

The consequences are also obvious: it is understandable why the "world community" allows the neighboring country to carry out that policy regarding its own dissenting citizens. As well as it is understandable why at one time - it did not dare to prevent our country from brutally extinguishing the problem in the south with "fire and sword". So that, "who is stronger is right ?". It's obvious that - yes that's it.
If the opposing side has all the forces and means to create conditions for the other side (or a coalition of parties) equal to "unacceptable damage", no one will pursue their policy with something more weighty than language (you can recall the same "August of the eighth", "spring 14th ", etc.).

Well, let's say so - eeeeee? ..
By and large, the Russian Federation is quite a tough demonstration of the obvious priority of its own interests in the regions immediately adjacent to the borders, including - rightfully strong... Who can't just start bombing, and who can't be ignored.

These priorities are simple - the prohibition of NATO's advancement into another country in Eastern Europe, and the coercion into peace negotiations (also, by the right of the strong) within the neighboring state.

The ideal option is when the intoxicated people finally understand that the changing political leaders (but not their curators), over and over again, are driving their own citizens into a corner more and more. The withdrawal of the peninsula, the loss of entire regions out of control, rabid nationalism, the "panties and the EU" narratives and the fighting hopak as a Nazi - at some point should shake up the most dense and very dense ..

And here the "right of the strong", which will not allow the third forces to interfere in the real establishment of order by the citizens of this country, will again come in handy. Confirmed not in words, but in deeds - by a 200-strong group deployed along the borders, air defense systems guaranteeing to third countries and coalitions that this is not "their war", and one should not get in here.

Well, "NAV we will push everyone, and in three days we will reach Priddenstrovie .." Yes, a favorite and understandable plot of alternative science fiction writers. There usually follows the return of "local power" first under the auspices of the government of the Russian Federation, and all the former republics at once, and then, to the envy of all the bourgeoisie - suddenly the USSR 2.0 rises from the ashes .. Beautiful, bright, exciting, but .. unrealistic.

Another variant of development - also about "let's go to Transnistria .."
Those. technically - it is possible, this "immediate task" will be completed with a high probability. Here are just a further task in these conditions - hanging in the air. What to do with this all then? Having bowed, hand over power to the transitional government and go back? Well, very quickly, the transitional government will be replaced by exactly the same ones as they were. And start all over again ..

[GAndr]

Quote: Black Colonel

One tough paratrooper once said on TV that Grozny would be occupied by one airborne regiment in two hours.

I am a devoted and very militant patriot of Great Russia, but even I understand that in order to break the resistance of the Ukrainian army, and whatever it is, but that army is very numerous and even if not planes and missiles, but there are enough machine guns, to break in a few hours, but even a day is unrealistic. Ukrainians are not Georgians, Ukrainians are the same Russians, including in spirit. Yes, they have no motivation + they are fooled and infected with the fascist plague, and besides, they have been brought up in recent years by blacks from the United States, and by the p.i.d.a.r.a.s.a.m. and from Europe. which, of course, incredibly weakens the APU ... But no, ours will definitely not be able to take an easy walk like in Georgia.
Of course, I am in favor of primordially Russian cities, such as: Odessa with Nikolaev, Mariupol, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kirovograd, etc. returned to their home harbor. One way or another, it will definitely happen, this is our ancestral land and these cities were built by all the Russian people, including the Great Russians, Belorussians and Little Russians. And of course, nothing to do with these cities and our land, all this underground chalupony and zapadentsy villagers do not have, and therefore they will have to return everything, as well as the mother of Russian cities Kiev.
However, I am against unnecessary sacrifices on both sides. Just as I feel sorry for the Russian guys, just as I feel sorry for the Russians who were fooled by blacks, who now proudly call themselves Ukrainians for some reason and invent a new story for themselves. I am not at all sorry for the only zapadenskih Selyuk, but the trouble is that Selyuk will not go to war. They can only jackal from the sly, but dirty tricks.
And by this, it will be precisely a civil fratricidal war. Here the blacks and the p.i.d.a.r.s will be glad about that.
In short, the war is not needed. BUT a new Maidan is needed, it is definitely needed, but organized not by the negroes, but from the Kremlin. This is the best way out in the current situation, well, and then for very many years, perhaps decades, to reposition the brains of the inhabitants of Ukraine - fooled by blacks, p.i.d.a.r.a.s.a. to the inhabitants of the once great and really powerful republics - the Ukrainian SSR ... Western propaganda, of course, has incredibly poisoned the consciousness of people in Ukraine, which is already there and this is really the most serious problem.
And yes .. there will be no war :)

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: GAndr

Yes, they have no motivation

why not? Resistance to occupation - not a sufficient motive? Well, what is the motive of a Russian soldier riding a tank with the inscription "Give me Kiev!" Just don’t talk about the fight against the "brown plague" and "get yours back." The boys are 20 years old, they did not even live when Ukraine was "theirs", for them it is a separate sovereign state that they are going to occupy. They are not familiar with your phantom pains about the "primordial" and so on. What specific goals and motives will they put under the helmets of political officers (or who is there now - regimental priests, TV with Kiselyov)?

[GAndr]

The invaders are just Bandera. What have they forgotten in Russian cities? And the Russian soldier has a simple motivation, he goes to liberate the Motherland ...
As for my attitude to the civil-fratricidal war, I stated my position above. I am against Russians killing Russians.
And by the way, I wonder how you know what is familiar and what is not for Russian 20-year-old soldiers? And who told you that conscripts will generally go in the forefront? :) Perhaps they will be somewhat harsher guys, seasoned in battles and in Syria, wars from the Russian Caucasus, who still chased Georgians :)
By the syllable and the speech about phantom pains, I understand that you are either from there ... or ours, but from the liberals :) You should give everything away and surrender, yeah we know such ...
So Russia will cease to be Russia only when it ceases to be an empire, therefore, the existence of Russia itself is to return all its lands back, and it will happen, sooner or later. There was a time to throw stones, I hope that the time will come soon to collect them.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: GAndr

And the Russian soldier has a simple motivation, he goes to liberate the Motherland ...

Once again: for a 20-year-old Russian, the Motherland is the Russian Federation within specifically delineated borders. He swears to protect her. He is a defender, not an occupier or an aggressor. He should not care about the paranoia of the older and, unfortunately, far from wise, generation that still remembers "how it was under Brezhnev" and rushes with their chimeras to "take them back." He is not going to die for the phantom of the USSR, which he did not find, and which, by and large, is alien and incomprehensible to him, for the selfishness of old senile people who are in their illusory "Russian world" and want to pull the young into this illusion. We and Ukraine are two mutually influencing environments, each subsequent reaction comes with an increase in the degree of cretinism.

Quote: GAndr

Perhaps these will be somewhat more severe guys, seasoned in battles and in Syria, wars from the Russian Caucasus

Chechen "Putin's infantrymen" will fight for the "Russian mir" ??? Curious to hear their motivation. Is the mosque in Kiev desecrated?

[GAndr]

By God, how naive you are ...
Tell me you are probably an idealist, yes, all liberals are idealists.
I could argue with you and give a thousand and one reasons why you are wrong, and I am right. Moreover, it is very simple and you think stupidly from the standpoint of liberal guidelines, not taking into account many factors. You know, and I'm even glad that you have just such a train of thought :) In the end, let our enemies make mistakes in the course of their thoughts :) And the liberals are enemies of my Motherland, believe me, I know what I am writing about, I have the right to do so, because I know what is the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR in particular, what is the liberal and sick Russia of the 90s and 2000s ... Well, not the point, I digress, and so, I will not argue with you for another very banal reason, but why ? Something to prove to a person who has his own worldview, completely different from mine? The worldview is extremely hostile to my homeland, well, no, I'm not one of those who are used to talking with enemies, so thank you.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: GAndr

why you are wrong, and I am right.

Exactly like Knyshev:

Everyone is right in their own way. But in my opinion - no

Quote: GAndr

and you think stupidly from the standpoint of liberal methodologies

I think the methodical programs of the First Channel are much dumber.

Quote: GAndr

Believe me, I know what I am writing about, I have the right to do so, because I know what the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR are in particular

And someone encroaches on your bright memories? Why drag everyone into the past? Flip through your family album, indulge in nostalgia, but do not make this a cult and do not impose on the young.

Quote: GAndr

Worldview extremely hostile to my homeland

With what fright did you decide that your so-called. Does the "worldview" correspond to the tasks and needs of the country? War, expansion, zinc coffins, isolation - do you think the country needs it? The country, it turns out, must serve your chimerical ideals? You, I suppose, are over 60 years old, to fight is not yours. Crippling, rallies on the couch, mentoring grumbling - yes, quite an old mode of operandi.

Quote: GAndr

I will not argue with you

And you are not interesting as an opponent - too predictable. Your arsenal of clichés is easy to read. Boring.

[Alexandr bogun]

And what is his "liberalism" in the fact that he states the fact that the third generation is growing up those who have lived their entire life in Russia, and not in the USSR? According to your logic, then it is necessary to start preparing for the Balts and for the Poles, they were also in the Warsaw Pact, they were also ours, and then let's remember the GDR, and then we can go further, we will remember how ours entered Paris ... I I can't understand, we have a huge country, there are already so many problems that it’s not a fact that your and my grandchildren will rake them, but all this Ukraine is scratching for us. Will there be NATO bases there or not, what's the difference? There are NATO bases in the Baltic countries, 100 km to St. Petersburg (or Leningrad if it's more convenient for you), nothing, not dead, how do we live? Now in Odessa, de facto, there is a permanent NATO contingent, whether it is not the Americans, or the Britons or the French with cruise missiles and everything that goes with it, so what? You understand that the problem is not in the liberals, but in people like you ... who do not want to clean up their "Augean stables" at last, but it is imperative to restore order in some sort of Syria, to establish order in Ukraine and to protect the Russians. We already live richly here, right?) We have already protected all Russians?) You see, I’m from that category of people who’d better put things in order right away, then on the street, then in the city, then in the country, and already then "maybe" he thought whether it was worth helping not his neighbors in the entrance or the region, but some Syrians. But no, we will solve the problems of Syria, Belarus, Ukraine. The main thing is not how we live, but how they look at us.

[Momento]

with the help of propaganda, the North Pole can be considered as its territory. however, the southern one too.

[Incvizitor]

Resistance to occupation - not a sufficient motive?

So, according to this logic, they just need to join the Russian Federation and go to Kiev ...

[Grits]

Quote: GAndr

In short, the war is not needed. BUT a new Maidan is needed, it is definitely needed, but organized not by the negroes, but from the Kremlin. This is the best way out in the current situation, well, and then for very many years, perhaps decades, to reposition the brains of the inhabitants of Ukraine - fooled by blacks, p.i.d.a.r.a.s.a. to the inhabitants of the once great and really powerful republics - the Ukrainian SSR ...

But here it is much more difficult than by military means ... Because we, unlike the Americans, simply do not know how to make color revolutions. We, like them, have neither theory nor practice in this matter. So, no anti-Maidan will come out. Due to our lack of intelligence in this matter

[Stealth Man]

TOTAL: the inhabitants of Ukraine must see the light and themselves figure out what is happening in their homes, and understand what they need and what they don’t need. And the Russian Federation will simply make sure that "unsportsmanlike" methods are not used in this democratic process.

[Andrew ))))))]

“US Press: Three days will be enough for the Russian army to reach the Dnieper and capture Kiev,” I doubt in general that the Ukrainian army is motivated to lay down its head for the Bandera and American puppets in power.

[APASUS]

What for ? It is worth bombing all the bridges along the Dnieper and substations with 10 and that's all. In a week (when there is no light in the country) Ukraine will offer the DPR and LPR itself to be separated

[Vladimir 290]

Are they trying to persuade us to finally start a war?

[expert]

Well done, Americans and others like them! They say the same thing, like a mechanical barrel organ. Only different punched cards are used, but the "music" is one. They measure 40 minutes, then three days, then, do not attack, we will punish. And all this, so that as many people as possible, who at least know that there is Ukraine in the world, through the prism of this "music" the image of Russia as an absolute evil was created.

[George Miloslavsky]

And IT is necessary for us ?!

[1536]

Unlike the Americans, in Russia they think about the consequences of their actions.
It's like in the Russian folk tale "About tops and roots", where Americans all the time play the role of a narrow-minded, but greedy wolf. This wolf is left with a huge number of inedible tops, then with the same number of inedible roots.
But they achieved their goal: they pitted the Russians and the Ukrainians, no matter what they called it.

[JonnyT]

Faster Hungarians and Poles will attack Ukraine - they are already itching to

Well, yes, it’s better not to go into this swamp - they will crawl up and ask.

and if they climb to the LDNR, then gouge their army with artillery and missiles, without a ground operation

[Andrey151122]

There, and without the Russian army, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doomed, they cannot take the forces of the militia into the ring, go from the rear, because the rear is the Russian Federation. If they cannot win, then they will lose. For the same reason, it is impossible to defeat the Russian Federation or China while they are in the union.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Andrey151122

RF or China, while they are in the union.

"Union" of the Russian Federation and China is very funny)

Quote: Andrey151122

they cannot take the forces of the militia into the ring, go from the rear, because the rear is the Russian Federation.

The stump is clear that this is why the Ukrainians pedal their Wishlist about border control. Blocked and cut off from Russia, Donbass would be returned to the Ukrainian stall within a month, which is not part of Russia's plans.

[Andrey151122]

Even if they were in control of the border, they would be in full view from this side, the scouts would give the militia targets, slam them like two fingers on the asphalt, Everything is shot there and up to the demarcation line, twenty kilometers after another.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Andrey151122

Everything was shot there, up to the demarcation line, twenty kilometers after another.

Yes, do not care what is there "shot" - for a long time the militia would be enough, if they were blocked around the perimeter? Without an open border with Russia, without a military organization, without any economic ties, and so on? Well, they would have shot while there was something, would have grubbed with humanitarian aid - then what? How long would the rebellious enclave hold out in the blockade? A month and a half at most? Donetsk residents themselves would have raised the leadership on a pitchfork.

[swyatoslav]

"if you don't be ready," then "the Russian military convoy will pass from Sumy to Kiev in 6 hours" - and if you are ready, then in 72 hours? A significant difference, of course ....

[GAndr]

Quote: Andrey151122

There, and without the Russian army, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doomed, they cannot take the forces of the militia into the ring, go from the rear, because the rear is the Russian Federation. If they cannot win, then they will lose. For the same reason, it is impossible to defeat the Russian Federation or China while they are in the union.

The essence of the attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Donbas is to defeat the militias as soon as possible and reach the border with Russia, where they stop and start shouting to the entire Western world - "Help, kill!" I admit that this has been agreed with NATO as well. Like, as soon as the Armed Forces of Ukraine reach the border with the Russian Federation, then there is an automatic request to NATO and NATO introduces its troops to Ukraine, such as to maintain order. Peacekeepers damn it, yeah ..
This is the whole point - not to break the army of the Russian Federation, it is simply unrealistic, but to break the army of the DPR and LPR as soon as possible, before the arrival of reinforcements from Russia.
Here the only question is that Russia is purely territorially closer than the same Poland, from which NATO can invade Ukraine, I mean to the theater of operations. And here they have a problem, they do not know how to do so as to break the militia at once and before the arrival of help from Russia.

[Andrey151122]

It is impossible to defeat the militias without surrounding them, they cannot surround them, they are in full view from our side (only cretins will stick their way).

[GAndr]

This is their main snag. According to all their calculations, they do not succeed, they do not have time.
Of course, I'm not an ukrofashist strategist, but I admit that their idea is to use the maximum possible and concentrated strike along the entire front line (width) at the same time. That is, to try to push through the entire front at once by displacing the militias into Russia and to reach the border with the Russian Federation as soon as possible.
The trouble with the Nazis is that Russia is already prepared to counter this plan. And now only a suicide can carry out the plan.
Therefore, there will be no war - it will definitely not be resolved, although ...

[Kerensky]

but I admit that their idea is to use the maximum possible and concentrated strike along the entire front line (width) at the same time.

An interesting term. A sort of Brusilov breakthrough.
What about the mines? They are there, like poop at the bathhouse.
Gorynych, of course, is beautiful, but how many of them and charges to them?

[singless]

why do we go

[Der Spiegel]

Ukrainian air defense will wait for the Russian Federation to strike at them? Will specially mobile air defense systems stop and begin to reveal themselves? and hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles after clearing the main air defense will not do anything to low-flying targets? the impression that I got to kindergarten

[babylon]

The Russian army is already on the Dnieper, it remains only to go downstream to the sea

[Face]

Americans just dream of putting this bloody, freezing mess on the Russian budget. To lower the Iron Curtain 2.0 between us and Europe. Russia will get a wild field with a hostile population and without the slightest hint of an economy.

[for]

US Press: Three days will be enough for the Russian army to reach the Dnieper and capture Kiev

I have no doubt, maybe faster (depending on what they go by), but when The National Interest writes this .........
The most interesting thing is what will happen next?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Gadieu .. So they are trying to drag Russia into a war with a grunt.

[Alexey Lamonov]

The Russians concentrated on the border of Ukraine (according to foreign media reports), they even drew up plans for how to attack. A howl was raised in all European capitals. And Russia again does not justify itself, Mordor does not attack defenseless Nenka. Even the United States prompts and approves of us. Well, finally attack the Ukraine, in total, according to our calculations, you will have to reach Kuev, in all it will take three days.
WE ARE DEFINITELY INVITED TO WAR,

[LZ50]

It is true that at the same time, they continuously conduct reconnaissance of all types of activity of the RF Armed Forces in the border areas in their own interests, of course, part of the intelligence information goes to the Ukrainian authorities.