Romania intends to purchase used F-16 fighters that have served more than 35 years

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The Romanian parliament will have to approve a deal from the Ministry of National Defense to acquire 32 combat aircraft from Norway, worth almost half a billion euros. Romania intends to purchase from its NATO ally used F-16 fighters that have served more than 35 years.

This is reported by the Romanian edition Digi24.



Before that, Bucharest was negotiating the acquisition of the F-16 with other European countries that are members of the North Atlantic Alliance. As a result, the planes of the Norwegian Air Force were chosen. This caused bewilderment among the Romanian military experts, who pointed out that for aircraft, some of which are more than 40 years old and which have been operated in the harsh Norwegian climate, it is expensive.

Of the 454 million euros that Romania will pay, 354 million will go to Norway for the fighters themselves, and the remaining 100 will go to the United States for a logistics support package and modernization services.

Norway has put up for sale its fighter Aviationas it replaces the outdated F-16s with the newest F-35s. Recently, the American company Draken took delivery of 12 such fighters, while Romania intends to acquire the rest.

The Romanian Air Force currently has 17 used F-16 A / B aircraft purchased from Portugal between 2016 and 2021.

As the Romanian Ministry of Defense justifies, despite the 40-year service life, the Norwegian fighters have been upgraded to MLU standard in the "advanced" M6.5.2 configuration. It enables the launch of modern Laser-JDAM smart bombs and AMRAAM-120D long-range air-to-air missiles.

Earlier, the Norwegian military expressed a desire that their F-16 aircraft, after being replaced by the F-35, would continue to be used by the Allies in the North Atlantic Alliance.

The F-16 served the Norwegian military very well for over 40 years until it was replaced by the F-35.

- commented on this topic, the head of the Norwegian defense department Odd-Roger Enoksen.
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  1. +8
    14 December 2021 17: 08
    As Pushkin would say - Gypsies in a noisy crowd across Bessarabia fly in coffins ...! laughing
    1. +4
      14 December 2021 17: 40
      The Romanians have turned on their gypsy intellect, why should we fight. Let the Poles in their F35s puff when they get them.
      1. +1
        14 December 2021 17: 54
        Will they get them or will the Americans throw them again?
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 18: 00
          Quote: Carat
          Will they get them or will the Americans throw them again?

          Romania is very important for the United States in the light (more precisely in the fog) of unclear prospects for Ukraine.
          no, they won't.
          1. +1
            14 December 2021 18: 03
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: Carat
            Will they get them or will the Americans throw them again?

            Romania is very important for the United States in the light (more precisely in the fog) of unclear prospects for Ukraine.
            no, they won't.

            The Americans took everything they wanted to take from Ukraine, and even more than they expected.
            In the light of the latest news, I would not think that America will do something there for the sake of Ukraine.
            1. 0
              14 December 2021 18: 19
              Quote: Carat
              The Americans took everything they wanted to take from Ukraine, and even more than they expected.

              disagree
              ideally, Ukraine should have become the edge of the sword aimed at Russia

              Quote: Carat
              In the light of the latest news, I would not think that America will do something there for the sake of Ukraine

              that is why I wrote to you that in the light of recent events related to Ukraine, Romania is becoming more important for NATO.
              1. 0
                14 December 2021 18: 26
                Quote: Flood
                ideally, Ukraine should have become the edge of the sword aimed at Russia


                Do you yourself believe that?
                1. 0
                  14 December 2021 18: 29
                  Quote: Carat
                  Do you yourself believe that?

                  into what is the pink dream of the Pentagon?
                  yes, definitely.
                  I did not write about the fulfillment of their dreams.
                  1. -1
                    14 December 2021 18: 32
                    Well, the Americans are crazy. The border with Ukraine is not very large. We would have taken on Kazakhstan. There is no border as such.
                    1. -1
                      14 December 2021 18: 38
                      Quote: Carat
                      We would have taken on Kazakhstan. There is no border as such.

                      the fiefdom of China is close there
                      and a small local population that should play the role of cannon fodder
                      Ukraine is more suitable for their tasks in all respects
                      including the proximity of the EU
                      1. 0
                        14 December 2021 18: 49
                        And in Ukraine, where did a lot of the local population come from?
        2. -1
          14 December 2021 19: 26
          Quote: Carat
          Will they get them or will the Americans throw them again?

          In any case, they will seize their laid-down 100 green striped lamas, and they will send to modernize them in Lviv - the local lads have established resuscitation for old litaks - recently a new model was soldered, with old holes ... laughing
          1. +1
            15 December 2021 04: 26
            Of the 454 million euros that Romania will pay, 354 million will go to Norway for the fighters themselves, and the remaining 100 will go to the United States for a logistics support package and modernization services.


            Quote: isv000
            In any case, they will seize their laid-down 100 green striped lamas, and they will send to modernize them in Lviv - the local lads have established resuscitation for old litaks - recently a new model was soldered, with old holes ...

            Of course, I understand with my head that "material and technical support", "modernization" and so on blah blah. Only in my heart I am more inclined to believe that this is a normal "rollback". The country-bandit "strained suckers" and took part in their profits.

            Lord! ... How boring and predictable to live with America on the same planet! Either they promise "hellish sanctions", now they threaten with war, now they behave like the last fraudulent ... We, our people, survived the Great Patriotic War and the 90s. When they already realize that they simply do not have enough imagination to come up with something that can scare or surprise us. Like kids, damn it ...
      2. +2
        14 December 2021 17: 59
        Quote: tralflot1832
        The Romanians have turned on their gypsy intellect, why should we fight. Let the Poles in their F35s puff when they get them.

        science has long proven that Romanians are not gypsies, but vampires.
        and Count Dracula is their commander-in-chief.
    2. +1
      15 December 2021 15: 56
      These are not such coffins. The Norwegians did an excellent job of servicing the cars, and the modernization significantly raised their level. Another thing is that the Romanians will quickly nullify their efforts. Without highly qualified "imported" specialists, these machines will not last long.
  2. +2
    14 December 2021 17: 10
    There are also some Eurostars.
    1. +2
      14 December 2021 21: 01
      There are also some Eurostars.


      454 million for 32 aircraft with modernization. 14 million per fighter. Great deal. When buying an airplane, they look at the remainder of the resource and the possibility of extending it. And "young", "old" means buying potatoes.
      1. +3
        15 December 2021 04: 48
        Alex, hi !
        Quote: dauria
        When buying an airplane, they look at the remainder of the resource and the possibility of its extension. And "young", "old" means buying potatoes.

        My school friend makes a living by being a private electrician, according to an ad. All his life he has been driving some kind of sobs. The last few months, for example, on a 30-year-old rusty "five". Some feel sorry for him ("there is no money for a normal car"), others laugh at his junk. And only we, friends, know the reason.

        The fact is that an electrician is his job. A hobby and calling - he is a car mechanic from God. He buys some kind of scrap metal for 20-25 thousand, invests 15 thousand in it, plus some rusty rubbish from a heap in the garage and calmly drives it for a year and a half or two. At work, at the dacha - everywhere. Then history repeats itself. He says that it is cheaper than a taxi and, naturally, much more convenient than public transport. I know he could afford a good car, but he says that an expensive car is expensive to maintain. In principle, as a Toyota fan, I note with a sigh that he is right.

        I all mean that govinda does not allow someone to use something used, and someone does not consider it shameful to squeeze out of the technology everything that it is still capable of. And why are people laughing at Romania? A poor country, F-35 cannot afford new ones. Probably, they won't take a pig in a poke either. And if it can still fly - why not take it? People just live within their means. Thirty-two things that can fly (even if half of them go to "donors" - it's not scary) or 1-2 new ones, but too expensive for such a country? The choice for Romania is obvious and, for example, clear to me.
        1. +1
          15 December 2021 13: 26
          (even if half of them go to "donors" - it's not scary

          It will not work. Everyone will fly. There is one peculiarity in your description of the story with used cars. It's not like that in aviation.
          There are resource tests. For components, for the entire aircraft. The failure rate of any technique looks like the graph in the figure. 1st stage - frequent failures due to assembly defects. The second area is that the failure rate is constant, that is, both the old and the new fail equally often. And the third is aging and increasing intensity.
          In aviation, the first stage is obliged to select the plant by a control "run", the second is the assigned resource. Inside it, they can replace products with a lower resource. They simply do not bring it up to the third. Or new tests and renewal based on their results. And in civilian life, no one will bother you to torment the old "penny" even in the third section. Repair is just more often than that of a new one (again, "a penny"). Again, the time is not calendar, but the operating time plus the calendar.
          1. +1
            15 December 2021 13: 39
            Quote: dauria
            in civilian life, no one will bother you to torment the old "penny" even in the third section. Repair is just more often than that of a new one (again, "a penny")

            Plus, probably, in military aviation it is a little different from my friend's - there is no "heap of rusty car debris" in the garage, from which he periodically picks out something for repair. I think everything is more serious there. Even in Romania.
            1. +1
              15 December 2021 14: 02
              no "heaps of rusty car debris" in the garage


              There is ! laughing Not in the garage. There is one subtlety - the board is being overhauled at the plant. And all the failed junk is urgently rearranged on it, which does not affect the safety of the distillation. Naturally, with the entry in the forms and the transfer of passports. All rank by rank. Let the factory picks.
              Another point - in terms of the norm for the number of faulty ones. We had no more than one. And if one gets up to replace something serious (engines, main gearbox, KAU, etc.), then sometimes a radio station, an altimeter, DISS or SRO urgently needed on the other board is ripped off from him. Again, with filling out the documentation. The trick is that in aviation a piece of iron without a passport is a homeless person who cannot be "hired." hi
              1. +1
                15 December 2021 14: 09
                Quote: dauria
                There is ! Not in the garage.

                Stunned ... belay
  3. +3
    14 December 2021 17: 11
    I wonder how much Romania will pay for the repair of these obsolete and almost worn-out f-16 recourse The mind is incomprehensible! request
    1. +1
      14 December 2021 17: 13
      So they write it seems to have been pissed off and even modernized already.
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 17: 22
        Quote: Nexcom
        So they write it seems to have been pissed off and even modernized already.

        What's the point? If Romania is enough for one takeoff ...
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 17: 24
          Well, you don’t ask me, it was not my idea to buy 40-year-old aircraft.
      2. wow
        +3
        14 December 2021 17: 23
        All good things have one end and only sausage has two ends .... An old German saying. No matter how much a grandmother is a "shaman", she will not become a girl!
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 17: 25
          laughing well said about the grandmother. good
      3. +2
        14 December 2021 17: 24
        Quote: Nexcom
        So they write it seems to have been pissed off and even modernized already.


        Yes, no matter how much you repaint, aging and fatigue of the metal. The laws of physics cannot be fooled.

        Hello by the way. hi
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 17: 27
          Hello to you, too. hi
          Yes, I understand that about metal fatigue. Apparently the Romanians do not understand. Or, before the sale, they did a major overhaul, which I hardly believe in (too expensive and not to recoup funds by selling)
          1. +1
            14 December 2021 17: 30
            Quote: Nexcom
            Or, before the sale, they did a major overhaul, which I have little faith in


            It is also hard to believe. I think we got off with cosmetic.
        2. Alf
          +2
          14 December 2021 18: 06
          Quote: Carat
          The laws of physics cannot be fooled.

          It depends on who will cheat ... Zaluzhtsy are great to do it.
        3. -1
          14 December 2021 21: 29
          Now the topvar's experts will come and tell you that the F-16 is cooler than any Su-35 and the Romanians are great
    2. +2
      14 December 2021 17: 21
      And Balda would say reproachfully - you wouldn’t be chasing cheap priest. Rogues - they collect old rubbish all over the world, and they try to pick up a shabby paw in Russia too.
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 20: 38
        Quote: paul3390
        Rogues - they collect old rubbish all over the world, and they try to pick up a shabby paw in Russia too.

        Why are you calling shabby Russia ?!
        1. 0
          14 December 2021 22: 03
          Quote: isv000
          Quote: paul3390
          Rogues - they collect old rubbish all over the world, and they try to pick up a shabby paw in Russia too.

          Why are you calling shabby Russia ?!

          Nah ...
          Quote: paul3390
          to Russia shabby paw trying to bully ..
    3. 0
      14 December 2021 18: 18
      Romania that is actively fighting somewhere with the use of the Air Force? They still have 21 minutes in service and are in no hurry to write off. They will buy from Norway another country whose Air Force is "actively" fighting around the world. Seriously, the Amers B-52s have been actively using for more than half a century, and the Norwegian F-16s began to actively fly to intercept only in the 14th year.
    4. 0
      14 December 2021 19: 43
      Quote: Simon
      I wonder how much Romania will pay for the repair of these obsolete and almost worn-out f-16s It’s beyond my comprehension!

      After all, it was said to the Russians according to what was written - the FSA will receive 100 Lyamas for a package of material and technical support and modernization services ... good
    5. 0
      14 December 2021 19: 57
      Quote: Simon
      I wonder how much Romania will pay for the repair of these obsolete and almost worn-out f-16 recourse The mind is incomprehensible! request

      Why renovate? They will paint it, put it on, "Schaub Bulo", and let everyone be afraid of NATO. wassat
  4. +1
    14 December 2021 17: 12
    Smells the aroma of a large cut, perfectly combined with an acquaintance with Romanian culture)
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7292674.html
  5. 0
    14 December 2021 17: 19
    It's nikhrenovo nowadays scrap metal is worth it. Half a billion.

    The Romanians have obviously beguiled something.
  6. +1
    14 December 2021 17: 25
    And the old stuff from the previous batch Romanians could sell to the skakuas. They are no strangers to second-hand.
  7. +1
    14 December 2021 17: 31
    Romania intends to purchase used F-16 fighters that have served more than 35 years
    No one is against that the plane was good, it was ... but such a long period of operation imposes ... or rather, it raises doubts that simply modernization will make them more reliable, more functional than they are, for objective reasons.
    1. -1
      14 December 2021 17: 43
      The B-52 was also good once. How many times has it been modernized, but what's the point? Old stuff.
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 18: 02
        It is unlikely that they will carry out serious troubleshooting and the required tests ... it will be possible to talk about flight reliability very conditionally.
      2. +1
        14 December 2021 18: 05
        There, the corrugated fuselage went on a number of sides, and they all fly. They reach destruction in the air or during takeoff and landing.
        1. 0
          14 December 2021 18: 49
          There is such a thing, the photo and on the frames of the videos has been shown more than once ... but, the Yankees have a serious system of maintenance and specialized tests, if they confirm that the plane is FLAMELY GOOD, there is no reason not to believe this.
          What restrictions were introduced, they do not report to us ...
    2. Alf
      +1
      14 December 2021 18: 07
      Quote: rocket757
      but such a long period of operation imposes ... or rather raises doubts,

      It is doubtful that a veteran will be able to fly at all without falling apart on the go from old age. More precisely, on the fly.
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 18: 45
        We have doubts ... only a specialist can answer, dispel or confirm them ...
        However, you can in fact pay attention that such rarities fly, which began to fly during the Second World War ... it is clear that past feats are not available to them, but high-quality maintenance works such miracles that one can only be amazed.
        1. Alf
          0
          14 December 2021 19: 09
          Quote: rocket757
          but high-quality THAT works such miracles that one can only be amazed.

          Yes, but the fatigue of metal has not yet been canceled.
          As for the rarities, the service is a little better there, the owner himself cares for them. Yes, and flies when I want and can, and not when necessary. And depending on what modes, the circle over the air show is not a flight with a "payload" with overloads and at maximum.
  8. 0
    14 December 2021 17: 31
    There is a chance for the Romanian F-16 to get into the book of records. They will compete with the Indian MiG-21.
    1. 0
      14 December 2021 17: 50
      With the B-52 for a start. wink
    2. Alf
      0
      14 December 2021 18: 09
      Quote: Pavel57
      There is a chance for the Romanian F-16 to get into the book of records. They will compete with the Indian MiG-21.

      With Chinese J-6s. Started production in 1958, removed from service in 2010.
  9. +1
    14 December 2021 17: 32
    Quote: Carat
    It's nikhrenovo nowadays scrap metal is worth it. Half a billion.

    The Romanians have obviously beguiled something.

    The planes are cheap, but you also have to pay the middlemen.
    1. 0
      14 December 2021 17: 52
      And don't forget about your pockets.
  10. +2
    14 December 2021 17: 33
    On December 11, 2021, Princess Ingrid Alexander of Norway made a familiarization flight in a two-seater version of F16, so the plane is good, the royal person will not risk it.
    1. +4
      14 December 2021 17: 41
      Duck he was probably licked all over and more than once before this flight.
      And unscheduled maintenance.
      1. -1
        14 December 2021 18: 40
        There the engine was probably replaced, the plane was piloted by the commander of the Norwegian Air Force.
    2. +1
      14 December 2021 17: 48
      Quote: tralflot1832
      On December 11, 2021, Princess Ingrid Alexander of Norway made a familiarization flight in a two-seater version of F16, so the plane is good, the royal person will not risk it.


      What kind of power does this royal person have? Only symbolic. I would have crashed and there is no one to ask.
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 18: 03
        At least they have a tradition before coming of age they choose the type of troops in which they will serve and patronize them. Ingrid chose the Air Force.
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 18: 10
          Quote: tralflot1832
          At least they have a tradition before coming of age they choose the type of troops in which they will serve and patronize them. Ingrid chose the Air Force.


          BY WHOM???? belay belay belay
          Dishwasher in the flight canteen?
      2. +2
        14 December 2021 18: 07
        Niiii, they all love their monarchs. Like fish in an aquarium. And they run around with them like a fool with a written sack
    3. Alf
      0
      14 December 2021 18: 14
      Quote: tralflot1832
      On December 11, 2021, Princess Ingrid Alexander of Norway made a familiarization flight in a two-seater version of F16, so the plane is good, the royal person will not risk it.

      And what series was this copy when it was released?
      1. +1
        14 December 2021 18: 34
        331 esc. Airbase Buda 691 tactical number. Year of manufacture. I can't find it anywhere. That they are not bad: the American company will buy 12 F 16 to train the pilots of the US Air Force. Type aggressor squadron. All 57 planes sold out like hot cakes.
        1. +1
          14 December 2021 18: 42
          Draken International has its own site at Nellis Air Force Base in Texas.
        2. Alf
          0
          14 December 2021 19: 11
          Quote: tralflot1832
          331 esc. Airbase Buda 691 tactical number. Year of manufacture. I can't find it anywhere. That they are not bad: the American company will buy 12 F 16 to train the pilots of the US Air Force. Type aggressor squadron. All 57 planes sold out like hot cakes.

          I agree. But then the Vikings, Wangui, will be a little better than the horse nation.
          1. +1
            14 December 2021 19: 22
            The Portuguese also write off F 16, but it's probably rubbish.
            1. Alf
              0
              14 December 2021 19: 24
              Quote: tralflot1832
              The Portuguese also write off F 16, but it's probably rubbish.

              Perhaps yes. If poor countries are already filming, you can imagine WHAT it is ..
  11. 0
    14 December 2021 17: 46
    And I sincerely thought that it was like a diz. they will make it with fuel, quietly disassemble it in five years and assemble it somewhere near Bucharest ...
    1. +2
      14 December 2021 17: 57
      Quote: Fredgar Puzix Jr.
      quietly in five years they will disassemble and assemble somewhere near Bucharest ...


      Yes. And at the exit, brand new F-22 / laughing
  12. +3
    14 December 2021 17: 59
    So what? In Romania, the MiG-21 and T-34 have recently been removed from service. Modern new weapons are toys for the rich. And the poor also need to fly on something.
    1. Alf
      0
      14 December 2021 18: 04
      Quote: Roma-1977
      So what? In Romania, the MiG-21 and T-34 have recently been removed from service. Modern new weapons are toys for the rich. And the poor also need to fly on something.

      Let them fly on 21s. Or J-6 will be purchased in China ...
    2. +1
      14 December 2021 20: 41
      And the poor also need to fly on something

      Does someone really threaten the Romanians ?? what
      1. +1
        15 December 2021 07: 42
        No. But I want to fly.
  13. Alf
    -1
    14 December 2021 18: 01
    Dear Romanians, Dear Perdescu Beztreescu! Aren't you afraid that these planes will start to crumble from old age?
  14. +1
    14 December 2021 18: 02
    Quote: Carat
    The B-52 was also good once. How many times has it been modernized, but what's the point? Old stuff.

    What part of the old stuff? Now the engines will be changed and they will fly for another 50 years.
    1. -2
      14 December 2021 18: 53
      What will they change for. Even the design documentation has not survived from those engines over the years.
      1. 0
        15 December 2021 00: 20
        There, as it were, a program to replace new engines and Rolls-Royce won in it https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4403529.html
  15. +1
    14 December 2021 18: 24
    Immediately I remember the comedy Aliens in Paris (Jean Reno and Christian Clavier) where the knight (Jean Reno) sits at the table and eats with a girl) .. and his squire - a slave (Christian Clavier) sits on the floor and waits for him to throw food for him .. time passes and the knight throws him a gnawed bone on the floor and he greedily picks it up and eats it and thanks the owner. The situation is one-on-one with these Fu-16s.
  16. 0
    14 December 2021 19: 04
    A very peculiar purchase of scrap metal))) I wonder what the hominy pilots will say about this)))
    1. Alf
      0
      14 December 2021 19: 19
      Quote: TermNachTER
      I wonder what the hominy pilots will say about this)))

      And they will not say anything, there is no other. MIGs write off, Falkonov is a hell of a lot. The indignant ones will fly on foot.
  17. Rex
    +1
    14 December 2021 20: 00
    Here you have the volume of GDP ... they produced it somewhere, then sold it, then resold it ... and at every step it is a “share of GDP”.
  18. 0
    14 December 2021 20: 39
    Someone's F35 is getting closer and there are more and more of them, but we don't have enough 4
  19. +4
    14 December 2021 22: 02
    Yes, I read the comments before I thought that the Poles have a national trait of ambition, but the Russians have surpassed them too. Even now, the guys are throwing minuses, what do you judge by their aviation, where planes fall for a month or so. Look at the Air Forces of Iran, North Korea, Cuba and other countries. so rich and the same air forces of Turkey and Greece, too, the aircraft fleet is half old. heaven and earth. From him I heard that the engine of the F16 is mounted on only four points and it does not take much time to replace it with a new one compared to the Su 27 and the MiG16. And this was given by the analysis of an ordinary techie who did not biasedly appreciated the technique.
    1. -1
      14 December 2021 23: 25
      An unusually balanced commentary! Plus from me! hi
    2. +9
      14 December 2021 23: 28
      Did your mechanic serve the Su-27 according to the group system or according to the settlement system? Before the introduction of EPTO-10 or after?
      The mechanic's job is to attach the suction cup, bring the parachute, and pull out the block. Otherwise, turn the bolts with a mechanical screwdriver.
      Of course, I apologize, but you brought a very "authoritative" opinion to compare the degree of complexity of servicing the Su-27 and F-16.
      By the way, "not so much time" is how much?
      1. 0
        14 December 2021 23: 57
        I will not lie, the mechanic was from the Mirgorod regiment, said the US National Guard flew in. He said that I did not ask the technician for details because of the landlord. He says they laughed like an American F16 put a cover on his lantern, an air intake and other parts like scotch tape on a glider, but then they laughed when the two of them rolled the cart to make diagnostics on the SU27, they had diagnostics via a laptop. Well, they also communicated with American techies through an interpreter.
        1. +8
          15 December 2021 00: 14
          Quote: Shiden
          the two of them rolled the cart to make diagnostics on the SU27

          laughing
          Well, you would also tell us how you wrote letters from a burning helicopter on the chests of killed comrades.
          laughing drinks
          1. 0
            15 December 2021 00: 41
            You know, I am a skeptic by nature, I see and hear what I can believe. If I saw VO 105 and then only heard them, our Mi8 heard and then after a while I saw, "Iroquois" only heard overhead, I do not need to tell what ours is a hundredfold better. Here is where fairy tales say it on TV.
            1. +8
              15 December 2021 00: 47
              The VO-105 is seven times lighter than the Mi-8. And the power of its engines is three times less.
              It's like a KAMAZ to compare with a Zhiguli.
              1. 0
                15 December 2021 00: 55
                You know, a year ago, the Americans flew to us in Poltava so their C130 "Hercules" made a circle over the city. You know, what struck me was flying very low and the noise made like An2. It is a pity only for the guys from the Kozhedub academy literally five minutes later their bus passed in front of the blast furnace.
                1. 0
                  15 December 2021 01: 34
                  And that the academy was not de-communized? Kozhedub was still a komunyak. If I could get up from the grave now, I would comb all your rag-tag from machine guns and cannons.
                  1. -1
                    15 December 2021 13: 45
                    The novel is funny and sad to me to read your commentary, you are already so brainwashed if you write nonsense that your media instills in you every day. Imagine if I wrote that "In Russia bears walk around the cities and play the balalaika" you would No, it's funny. But you believe in all that you will tell you on TV about crucified boys, with pointed centers, stained grandmothers, two slaves, that the Black Sea dug an ancient Ukrainians. You will honor the comments about Ukraine, these fairy tales are almost every comment. tell me I'm wrong.
                    1. 0
                      15 December 2021 13: 55
                      Oyvey, do you think I know this from the tiliviser? Stop mentoring. Half (if not more) of the citizens of the Russian Federation have contacts in Ukraine, sometimes quite close ones.
                      1. -1
                        15 December 2021 17: 01
                        No need to pretend to be an Odessa bendyuzhnik. Here I have read so many comments like a friend, a close relative was born and raised in Russia in a direction or got married and lives in Ukraine and do not communicate, they are called OCCUPANTS. Or they didn’t write this on VO. in my city to find the street "Heroes of Stalingrad" after all, according to you, it was decommunized, you know better than me.
                      2. 0
                        15 December 2021 22: 39
                        Are you saying that there is no law on de-communization? And the fact that somewhere else there is a memory in the names and names, it only sets off all that abomination that has spread throughout your country. And I can assume that with your consent. Let him be silent. So I don’t need to rewrite the manuals here.
                      3. -1
                        15 December 2021 22: 41
                        And yes, is there a Shukhevych-Bandera avenue in "your" city?
                      4. -1
                        15 December 2021 23: 07
                        And where I wrote that there is no such law, the law probably contains rules and points of what can and cannot be changed. This does not mean that the law is good. And in order to lecture me at first in your mausoleum, do not drape on May 9, because you, as a citizen, can sue, or turn to whose deputy you have elected, even the rule of law and laws on decommunization are not present. Even the Communist Party is represented in parliament.
                      5. -2
                        15 December 2021 23: 24
                        We are not draping him with a portrait of General Vlasov. So teach better than your spiders.
                        Duc how is it with the Shukhevych millers and other petliura?
              2. 0
                15 December 2021 13: 53
                You know, but MI2, too, I would not say that it was quiet and BO105 flew two triplets in a compact group and therefore saw it.
        2. +8
          15 December 2021 00: 41
          In general, of course, it is incorrect to compare the modern F-16 and the Soviet Su-27 (there are no others in Ukraine).
          And the cart, and even two of us, could only be rolled by a specialist from the group of regulations from the TEC, where the plane gets once every two years. There are serious diagnostics and equipment corresponding to the sample of the 80s. And on operational types of training "laptops" are of course Soviet - 10 kilograms, but rolling them together is like shooting a pistol together.
    3. -1
      17 December 2021 13: 35
      Nezalezhniy, are you at least aware of such a thing as interest? Any 10 percent of accidents in a fleet of 500 planes is not the same for you as in a fleet of 10. In Ukrainian schools, mathematics is not taught and they forgot about percentages?
      1. -2
        17 December 2021 15: 50
        Well, since you put the question like that, then please tell me how much the percentage of accidents in August of this year will be, the percentage of accidents in 21 years and the percentage of accidents in the 20th and other years of the past. was.
        1. -1
          18 December 2021 07: 07
          Come on, don't translate the arrows, it's not me who says that our planes fall every day, so go ahead and prove and show the interest. And already started his own garbage about the deficit in the USSR, not understanding the topic.
          1. -1
            18 December 2021 11: 41
            This is what is curious when you start to ask your opponent uncomfortable questions or correct them. Then immediately there are excuses "This is the second time" "Well, what's the difference" "You think you were mistaken for several years" but the most important thing is that they still demand to prove what you did not write. on you.
  20. 0
    14 December 2021 22: 28
    Quote: Carat
    What will they change for. Even the design documentation has not survived from those engines over the years.

    There are proposals from different companies to change for new ones, keeping the old gondolas.
  21. 0
    14 December 2021 23: 21
    Romania is in its repertoire. As someone (I do not remember) from the German generals in WWI said: "If Romania comes out on our side, we will need 10 divisions to defend it. If not on ours, the same 10 to defeat it." Now the Romanian army is a collection of scrap metal from all over Europe, something remains from the times of the USSR. He is still a NATO ally, more, they would have such :)
  22. -1
    15 December 2021 00: 55
    The Romanian parliament will have to approve a deal from the Ministry of National Defense to acquire 32 combat aircraft from Norway, worth almost half a billion euros. Romania intends to purchase from its NATO ally used F-16 fighters that have served more than 35 years.

    - At 15 million per unit - it's almost a "freebie"! good And they fly quietly for another 20 years ...
  23. sen
    +1
    15 December 2021 14: 44
    Romania intends to purchase used F-16 fighters that have served more than 35 years

    Let the pilots fight, money is more expensive.