Lavrov canceled visit to Israel after reports of preparations for strike on Iran

Israel is ready to prevent Iran from creating a nuclear bomb by military means, the corresponding plans have been developed. This is reported by the Israel Defense Forces radio "Galei IDF" with reference to a high-ranking source in the Israeli Defense Ministry.

According to the report, Israel is preparing military methods of influencing Iran in order to prevent the latter from creating a nuclear bomb and is ready to use them if necessary. This possibility was recently announced by Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz during a visit to Washington. Rather, the Israeli minister confronted the United States with the fact that Israel is preparing for a military option to deprive Iran of the possibility of creating a nuclear weapons... What was answered in Washington is not reported, but it is unlikely that they opposed it. As you know, Iran is also an enemy of the United States, so it will not be surprising if the Americans take part in this operation on an equal basis with the Israelis.

According to Israel, Iran has already produced or is close to producing the amount of uranium necessary to create a nuclear bomb. Israel cannot allow the appearance of nuclear weapons from its main geopolitical adversary in the Middle East, therefore plans for military intervention have been developed, which has already been reported more than once. Tel Aviv is closely following the situation with Iran's nuclear program, at the same time Iran is in no hurry to cross the line after which it will be possible to create nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov canceled his visit to Israel, which was supposed to take place today, December 12, 2021. This is somehow connected with the announced plans of Israel on Iran, or there is some completely different reason, is not reported. At least Lavrov has postponed his visit for now, although it was considered very important in light of Iran’s nuclear program. During his Middle East tour, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry intended to visit not only Israel, but also a couple of countries and the Palestinian Authority.

The Russian Foreign Ministry itself does not comment on the cancellation of the visit, stating that it has been postponed "indefinitely," but it will certainly take place. The new travel date will have to be agreed upon again. By the way, the Israeli Foreign Ministry announced the threat of a strike by Israeli Foreign Ministry officials. Earlier, the trade union of workers of the Israeli Foreign Ministry decided to boycott the visit of the Russian minister due to disagreements over the signing of a general agreement on wages.

Comments

[svp67]

In vain is Israel ... oh in vain ...

[YOUR]

The question is different.
Where are the sanctions? Where is the violent indignation of the democratic public?
Where is the help for future victims of aggression?
Let them show on the example of Ukraine and Russia

[svp67]

Quote: YOUR

Where is the violent indignation of the democratic public?

But I wonder if Israel was invited to the "Forum of Democracy"?

Quote: YOUR

Where are the sanctions?

Come on ... How about they talked about "their sons of the dog" ...

[YOUR]

Quote: svp67

Come on ... How about they talked about "their sons of the dog" ...

Here I am about the same.

[Shurik70]

the trade union of workers of the Israeli Foreign Ministry decided to boycott the visit of the Russian minister due to disagreements in the signing of a general agreement on wages

I do not understand.
What does Russia and the salaries of Israeli officials have to do with it?

[Gardamir]

By the way, yes, an interesting question, but there are only two of us here from Russia.

[Shahno]

So this ... The organizers got sick, due to the financial situation, and the visit cannot be organized.

[Shahno]

I was invited in the forefront, though I don’t know what that might mean ...

[Yujanin]

But I wonder if Israel was invited to the "Forum of Democracy"?

- Do you have a prosecutor?
- With us, with us, everything with us, the whole city with us! They were just waiting for you! (C)

[lucul]

The question is different.
Where are the sanctions? Where is the violent indignation of the democratic public?
Where is the help for future victims of aggression?
Let them show on the example of Ukraine and Russia

So this ....
All the mainstream media have long been under 100% control of the Zionists.
Therefore, nothing will appear in the media, unless Venezuela or North Korea write what.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: lucul

how is this ....
All the mainstream media have long been under 100% control of the Zionists.
Therefore, nothing will appear in the media, unless Venezuela or North Korea write what.

Then the Palestinians begin to openly act as heroes (throw stones and bottles with Molotov cocktails at the soldiers) only when CNN and BBC cameras appear))
Probably, these media are controlled by Zionists Qatari and Saudi

[sifgame]

Maybe it's enough to ask already? The other day, Assandzha was given out, no one fumbled. Are they against themselves or are they going to impose sanctions? Now, if you call a Negro a Negro or offend some kind of LGBT, then they can flog themselves.

[atalef]

Quote: sifgame

Maybe it's enough to ask already? The other day, Assandzha was given out, no one fumbled. Are they against themselves or are they going to impose sanctions? Now, if you call a Negro a Negro or offend some kind of LGBT, then they can flog themselves.

He hasn't been issued yet, he can appeal

[sifgame]

he can file a thousand appeals, his fate is decided - dubious death in an American prison.

[Joker62]

Yeah, wait ... He had a good stroke, sitting on a bunk ... and it looks like he will already be a plant than a man ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Don't compare. Ukrainians and Jews. Jews are the chosen people. And the Hramadians ... not Ezalezhny, let's put it this way. )

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Jews are the chosen people.

Yes. Single-mandate self-nominated candidates.

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And the Hramadians ... not Ezalezhny, let's put it this way. )

Alternatively gifted, full forehead.

[Shahno]

I do not understand .. Sanctions for what? An article that Lavrov postponed his visit ..

[Nag1984]

This "other" Biden openly stated that Russia, in contrast to other countries, cannot have its own national interests.

[sabakina]

Quote: svp67

In vain is Israel ... oh in vain ...

Sergey, it seems to me that Israel is not in vain, but aphids! May the gods forgive me in the form of the Warrior and the Professor! Amen!

[svp67]

Quote: sabakina

Sergey, it seems to me that Israel is not in vain, but aphids!

Well, last time their aviation managed to destroy the nuclear center, their specialists managed to directly eliminate several of Iran's most prominent scientists involved in the nuclear program ... but Iran is not the same, far from the same. He is quite capable of answering. Here something else is worse. Syria will also be drawn into this quarrel, but this is how much we need now?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: svp67

Quote: sabakina

Sergey, it seems to me that Israel is not in vain, but aphids!

Well, last time their aviation managed to destroy the nuclear center, their specialists managed to directly eliminate several of Iran's most prominent scientists involved in the nuclear program ... but Iran is not the same, far from the same. He is quite capable of answering. Here something else is worse. Syria will also be drawn into this quarrel, but this is how much we need now?

And what about Syria?

[svp67]

Quote: SKVichyakow

And what about Syria?

And its territory is full of both Iranians and armed groups controlled by Iran. Do you think that in the battle between Iran and Israel, these guys will remain on the sidelines? And Israel won't answer?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: svp67

Quote: SKVichyakow

And what about Syria?

And its territory is full of both Iranians and armed groups controlled by Iran. Do you think that in the battle between Iran and Israel, these guys will remain on the sidelines? And Israel won't answer?

I think everything will be like the first time. Flying through Iraq, or using the territory of Azerbaijan.

[Arthur]

Syria has long (9 years ...) been dragged into a bloody meat grinder by the United States, Qatar, Turkey and Israel ... If Israel decides to bomb Iran, then Russia and China CANNOT EVEN PHYSICALLY remain in the role of passive observers ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And in vain, and aphids and locusts.

[Maz]

Well, gentlemen, Israelis, who are Jews and patriots of Zion, explain why in the Israeli press the reason why Lavrov canceled the visit was called personal, almost family, and hinted at the situation with covid-19 in Russia? Obviously did not want to bring the truth to the population ?? What - not to lie, not to roll bags, but okhlos and it will eat it? Ah yes, Jews, truthful, honest and chosen ones!

[atalef]

Quote: Maz

Well, gentlemen, Israelis, who are Jews and patriots of Zion, explain why in the Israeli press the reason why Lavrov canceled the visit was called personal, almost family, and hinted at the situation with covid-19 in Russia? Obviously did not want to bring the truth to the population ?? What - not to lie, not to roll bags, but okhlos and it will eat it? Ah yes, Jews, truthful, honest and chosen ones!

And the truth is what?
In the title or in a quote from the article - although who reads it

It is somehow connected with the announced plans of Israel on Iran, or there is some completely different reason, it is not reported.

[mvg]

Need to wait for another monkey with a grenade? Is one hamster not enough?
Let them bomb, oil at $ 200+ per barrel won't stop us.

[Machete]

Do they think that the Iranians are completely finished in order to destroy Israel?

Then Israel has no other options. Either pan or disappear.

[alex neym_2]

They will blow up Iran with their nuclear bomb?

[paul3390]

It is not very clear what Iran has with delivery vehicles .. I strongly doubt that they will be able to make a compact uranium charge outright. This means that the dimensions and weight are quite large, you cannot put rockets into their missiles. Iran has no long-range aviation. You can, of course, load onto a dry cargo ship or a submarine and break off the coast of Israel - but why would the Persians? So - whatever one may say, but Iran's possible nuclear weapons are purely defensive - they say, in the event of an invasion kaaaak we will shuffle along your battle formations! Specifically, the security of Israel - it is unlikely to threaten ..

[knn54]

- due to disagreements when signing a general agreement on wages.
In THIS case, Lavrov is to blame, not Putin. Progress?

[dauria]

In THIS case, Lavrov is to blame, not Putin. Progress?

Developed capitalism is to blame, damn it. Invented too "trade union of workers of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel"They are on strike, boycotted, the salary does not suit them, you see.
Whether it is with us. Even doctors and teachers do not squeak. A little bit - "go into business if you don't like it"

[Flooding]

Quote: dauria

Whether it is with us. Even doctors and teachers won't squeak

Who is stopping you from fighting for your rights?
trade unions have a long, sparkling history of fighting capitalism for workers' rights and beyond.
Isn't it time for you to write your name in the history of Russian trade unions?
if not scary, of course.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Flood

Isn't it time for you to write your name in the history of Russian trade unions?
if not scary, of course.

To fight the "system", you have to be at least Batman, or the Chinese "Sniper".

[Flooding]

Quote: tihonmarine

To fight the "system", you have to be at least Batman, or the Chinese "Sniper".

I agree on one thing - it is much easier to complain on the forums and believe that by doing so you are fighting injustice

[dauria]

Isn't it time for you to write your name in the history of Russian trade unions?

But what about ... The trade union of living out pensioners on the bench. As we start to fight, so wow ... Until my pension is raised, I won't go to the bench. Basta.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dauria

If they don't raise my pension, I won't go to the bench. Basta

You have to work, and not complain that your pension is small. I personally work, and I'm not complaining (you can at least complain).

[dauria]

I personally work

This is how I work. I crawl while my superiors endure my chronic ailments. It is quite normal for yourself to skip on the way to work, or from it. Worse to lie down. And the trade unions - so we will not survive. So far, only "Gaster-builders" can go on strike. They stop working if there is no money on time. They have nothing to lose.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dauria

So far, only "Gaster-builders" can go on strike. They stop working if there is no money on time. They have nothing to lose.

With us, gaster is easier, from the moment of termination of work, payment stops. In place of the striker, another will come.

[dauria]

In place of the striker, another will come.

Yeah. Right now. Their information is clearly presented. "Scammers" quickly fall into the "black list". And you pick up a rabble instead of a brigade - well, your right. And your problems.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dauria

Their information is clearly presented. "Scammers" quickly fall into the "black list". And you pick up a rabble instead of a brigade - well, your right. And your problems.

This is what you think, and this is what you are writing about, it works in Russia, but not in the West. Now only Ukrainians and Belarusians have priority among Gaster.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: dauria

In place of the striker, another will come.

Yeah. Right now. Their information is clearly presented. "Scammers" quickly fall into the "black list". And you pick up a rabble instead of a brigade - well, your right. And your problems.

Back in 2004, the Baren company, which used the roof in the government of our country, was included in the "black" list of our sole proprietors only in the city - it was dull in quality and on the grandmother.

[Flooding]

Quote: dauria

As we start to fight, so wow.

Oh, love))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Flood

in the history of Russian trade unions

Real trade unions in Russia will not survive, they will be destroyed or crushed, turning them into puppets.
In Russia, it is high time to organize "White Arrow", and to carry out the "Clean Hands" operation, moreover, according to the template of the 37th.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: dauria

They also invented the "trade union of workers of the Israeli Foreign Ministry." They are on strike, boycotted, the salary does not suit them, you see.

Socialism

[your1970]

Quote: knn54

In THIS case, Lavrov is to blame, not Putin. Progress?

Nah ...
It goes deeper and deeper - they won't agree on a salary with Lavrov. That is why they promised him to boycott his arrival - they say, "Pay more our salary" ...
Lavrov must agree to their demands - an unnecessary Foreign Ministry does not fit in his pocket

[Cat Alexandrovich]

So 30 shekels is always not enough. And they don't even think about the aspens, they've worn out and cut them down.

[Krasnodar]

30 shekels (700 rubles) per hour? This is the minimum hourly Israeli wage, which employees of the Israeli Foreign Ministry cannot agree to - tea is not some Papuans

[Borisych]

The Persians are friends with the Jews in their own way, Lavrov has no special business before them, they will figure it out themselves.

[Pessimist22]

They are already openly threatening Iran and all international "democratic" organizations are silent, the Jews are completely oozed.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Pessimist22

The Jews were completely maddened.

That was the title of the article.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pessimist22

They are already openly threatening Iran and all international "democratic" organizations are silent, the Jews are completely oozed.

Because all the "democratic organizations" are just as crazy.

[Vladimir61]

And what, all the media will be overwhelmed by indignation about the aggressive actions of Israel and the solution of problems exclusively by military means? Her! This is not Russia, with its aggressive plans for a peaceful settlement in the Donbass, approved by the UN. That is, one has nothing to do with it, others have nothing to do with it!

[sabakina]

Israel is ready to prevent Iran from creating a nuclear bomb by military means

Gentlemen, Sons of Israel, is it possible in a civil way?

[cniza]

Israel is preparing military methods of influencing Iran in order to prevent the latter from creating a nuclear bomb and is ready to use them if necessary.

Oh, it will not end well for the whole world ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
To get into this disassembly, specifically, no one has the desire.
Moreover, no one especially experiences warm feelings for either one or the other, and everyone has enough problems of their own, above the roof.
The only danger, due to contamination of the area around the facilities, may be a humanitarian catastrophe ... and this, for sure, will concern many international structures ... i.e. will have to harness and help.

[cniza]

Good time!

Yes, these showdowns will not bring anything good to anyone, some problems and God forbid that a big flame does not break out ...

[aslan balaev]

In defiance of Israel and Washington, Iranian mullahs cannot be supported. These mullahs and ayatollahs are dangerous idealists. Including in relation to Russia. For 42 years they have changed little. Given their craving for nuclear weapons and their carriers, in my opinion, tactical gain for Russia may be followed by a strategic loss. For me, sympathy for these chalmagolovs is completely incomprehensible.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: rocket757

will have to harness and help.

That is, to cut budgets and funds.
They are just waiting for this.

[rocket757]

All those international and UN organizations are a product of our time and society. Accordingly, there is enough of everything and a selfless desire to help people in trouble and those who have one goal, to replenish their pockets.
Those. nothing new, nothing unexpected will be found there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cniza

Oh, it will not end well for the whole world ...

There are two "triggers" in the world now - Ukraine and Israel-Iran.

[cniza]

These are closest to us, and so there are enough triggers ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: cniza

Oh, it will not end well for the whole world ...

What does the whole world have to do with it? The Jews were driven out of "democratic" Europe into the red-hot sand, and they will be driven out of it too ....

[Mavrikiy]

Rather, an Israeli minister presented the USA with a factthat Israel is preparing for the military option of depriving Iran of the possibility of developing nuclear weapons.

It's like, here you conclude agreements with Iran, and we have a bunch of pieces of paper for you? And the United States will continue to live without Iranian oil? Yes, for this you can get shocked from the United States ...

[mag nit]

When will someone finally solve the problem with this dastardly artificial state?

[voyaka uh]

Iran is not an artificial state at all.
It is a good half-thousand years older than Israel, which was formed as a kingdom about 3 thousand years ago.
Even more ancient is Iraq (Sumerians).
And all the ancient Egypt.

[aslan balaev]

Quote: voyaka uh

Iran is not an artificial state at all.
It is a good half-thousand years older than Israel, which was formed as a kingdom about 3 thousand years ago.
Even more ancient is Iraq (Sumerians).
And all the ancient Egypt.

If I am not mistaken, the Sumerian state is older than the Egyptian one. Armenian historians, and indeed all Armenians in general, believe that this is their most ancient state. Like hundreds of thousands of years ago !!! Armenians fought with ... dinosaurs. And all this is being repeated in all seriousness and without even batting an eye. By the way, such “scientific-historical” articles can be found only in the Armenian-language media. To my rather ironic question "And you destroyed the mammoths?" An Armenian acquaintance did not confess, said no, the Russians did it. And you and your Persians, Egyptians, and even Israel dragged here

[voyaka uh]

Recent archaeological excavations have pushed Egyptian civilization back several hundred years. But the question of who is older: the Egyptians or the Sumerians is controversial.
On the territory of modern eastern Turkey and Armenia, there really was a center of civilization. Best known for metallurgy. Iron processing. Which from this area spread to the Middle East. But in a broad, complex sense of the concept of civilization (writing, mathematics, art), the Sumerians and Egyptians still far outstripped the rest in antiquity.

[aslan balaev]

Quote: voyaka uh

Recent archaeological excavations have pushed Egyptian civilization back several hundred years. But the question of who is older: the Egyptians or the Sumerians is controversial.
On the territory of modern eastern Turkey and Armenia, there really was a center of civilization. Best known for metallurgy. Iron processing. Which from this area spread to the Middle East. But in a broad, complex sense of the concept of civilization (writing, mathematics, art), the Sumerians and Egyptians still far outstripped the rest in antiquity.

You will probably agree with me that civilization and the state are slightly different concepts. And their boundaries do not always coincide.

[Vlad1]

There are three evils in the world :: Israel, Azerbaijan Turkey ... if you weren't there, there would be world peace

[aslan balaev]

Quote: Vlad1

There are three evils in the world :: Israel, Azerbaijan Turkey ... if you weren't there, there would be world peace

Chopping off his land from a strong neighbor, when he is in chaos, sometimes ends with the fact that after years, having settled his problems, he returns for debts. Then you get something heavy on the crown of the head and weighty kicks in the butt. And under the cheerful hooting of the rest of the world, you get out of your way, indolently slurping. Yes, here in the Armenian opinion, not only Israelis and Turks are evil, but the rest of the world. With the Turks, everything is clear, but how they managed to spoil relations with Israel, no. Israel, to put it mildly, does not need a complimentary foreign policy. Especially with Armenia. Armenians have been friends with Iran for 30 years already. From his
worst enemy and at the same time want him not to be angry with them. ... For 300 years, the Armenians have been under the salutary Russian auspices, and at the same time they start tricks with France, then with the British, then with the Americans, to put it mildly, the enemies of Russia. And this one is fraught. Where is the notorious Armenian wisdom, if they repeatedly choose for themselves frank Russophobes and idiots.

[Arthur]

"... Chop off his land from a strong neighbor when he has chaos ..." ". But lying here in the style of Goebbels and Azerbaijani false propaganda is not necessary ... Azerbaijan was the FIRST attacked small NKAO (Karabakh) both in 1990 and in 2016 and in 2020 ... The whole world knows this well and it is not necessary here from myself an innocent victim (tse..ku) to build ...

[Arthur]

And if Turkey did not help Azerbaijan in 2020 with modern weapons, special forces and instructors during the 44 (!!) day war, then Azerbaijan will not see a Pyrrhic "victory" ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: voyaka uh

Iran is not an artificial state at all.
It is a good half-thousand years older than Israel, which was formed as a kingdom about 3 thousand years ago.

So kind forumchanin mag nit (mag nit) Israel meant ...

[mag nit]

Am I talking about Iran?

[Arthur]

The Sumerians (and then urARTu ...) are not in Iraq, but in the Armenian Highlands ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: mag nit

When will someone finally solve the problem with this dastardly artificial state?

One tried. As a result, he was poisoned in the basement. Immediately after the wedding

[And Us Rat]

Quote: mag nit

anyone will solve the problem

It is infantile to wait for someone to solve your problems for you.
Get up and decide!
Nobody will do it for you.

[Soldatov V.]

If during the use of nuclear weapons the territory of Russia will not suffer, then let them beat each other. If so, then we have every right to inflict a peacekeeping strike on both, with the complete destruction of the military infrastructure.

[your1970]

At the same time, to demonstrate their power, otherwise some people blather about the possibility of a war with the Russian Federation ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: V.

a peacekeeping strike against both

Silly idea, Israel is hooked up to the American early warning system, and has a dead hand-style system for just such a case.
Therefore, if there is nothing to lose, then a reciprocal "gift" will fly to the "peacekeepers." And taking into account the fact that a real missile defense system covers only Moscow ...
At least 5-10 million Russians, the Israelis will take with them to the next world. And if they are also lucky ...
The United States is afraid to touch the DPRK with its crooked missiles and pitiful 30 bombs of 20kt each. Do you want to forage for the owner of a full-fledged arsenal?

But conventional weapons will not work, there will simply not be enough logistics and weapons. What to beat? "Daggers", which are less than a hundred? (And which are quite intercepted by "Hetz 3") This is a mosquito bite. Because it is a point weapon. The infrastructure of the army of an entire country cannot be destroyed that way. These are thousands and thousands of goals.
And the "Calibers" are no better than the "Tomahawks", which are poured in hundreds from electronic warfare (according to Russian statements).

[Soldatov V.]

Does America know that the Israeli mummy is connected to the American early warning system? And you, as an Israeli, know or suspect that Israel has nuclear weapons and plans to use them. Maybe I'm behind the times. I don't remember Israel claiming the presence of nuclear weapons. I did not talk about the use of nuclear weapons against potential participants in the war in the region. But the application of conventional weapons on airfields, bases of military equipment and the elimination of nuclear weapons from both fighters by the UN forces is quite possible. By the way, it is already possible and necessary to apply the same sanctions against Israel as against Iran, so as not to kindle a world war.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: V.

Does America know that the Israeli mummy is connected to the American early warning system?

So they connected it themselves. When Saddam got the first nightmare, 30 years ago.

Quote: V.

know or guess about the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel and plans to use them.

Who cares? Checking by typing is like a stupid idea. It's like throwing cartridges into a fire and hoping they are without gunpowder.

Quote: V.

the application of conventional weapons on airfields, military equipment bases and the elimination of nuclear weapons from both fighters by the UN forces is quite possible

Those who really can - will not go for it, and God did not give horns to the buttery cows.

Quote: V.

it is already possible and necessary to apply the same sanctions against Israel as against Iran

Who needs? And what is not used, since it is necessary? Apparently not so necessary.

[Arthur]

Too suspicious "oil painting" you have looms and everything is in favor of Israel ... It feels like some suckers live around Israel ...

[Graz]

israel wants to stir up a big war?

[75 Sergey]

Not, of course, I do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but here are the methods by which

they want to prevent this, cause rejection

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 75Sergey

Not, of course, I do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but here are the methods by which

So this US-Israel tandem itself is forcing Iran to develop and use nuclear weapons.

[vervolk]

those who live in a glass house should not throw stones at their neighbors

[Kesha1980]

A separate grin can be caused by the fact that Israel has not repaid debts to Iran for oil for over 40 years, because it is not satisfied with the Iranian regime.
A separate grin can be caused by the fact that Israel is at the origins of the nuclear program of Shah Iran.
It's also funny that Israel is inciting Morocco against Algeria (is Algeria also threatening Israel?).

[Oleg Olkha]

Not only does he not threaten Israel since the Yom Kippur War of 1973, when he sent a large expeditionary force to help Egypt, he does not recognize Israel at all, it is not there ...

[Kesha1980]

.https: //m.lenta.ru/news/2021/08/19/its_jews/

So will we burn them after half a century? So what?
Whatever one may say, but massive arson and incidental deaths of civilians is not good.

... The military budget of Rabat for 2022 allocated $ 12,8 billion for the modernization of the armed forces, primarily for the purchase of new types of weapons. And it is no coincidence that the signature of Benny Gantz and his Moroccan counterpart Abdellatif Ludiyi in Israel is called unprecedented - the income for the military-industrial complex of the Jewish state promises to be fabulous.

One could be glad for the Israeli gunsmiths, but there is one nuance in this whole story - the same Algerian-Moroccan conflict, which is escalating every day. In August of this year, diplomatic relations between Algeria and Rabat were severed, while the Algerian side brought a number of accusations to Morocco, including "hostile actions in Western Sahara," and the organization of arson that caused forest fires, and the use of Israeli spyware Pegasus NSO for surveillance. for high-ranking Algerian officials

"Divide and earn!" The most kosher loot is earned from the deaths of potential enemies. The head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry officially expressed support for the struggle of one Muslim state against another. Lived.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Kesha1980

"Divide and earn!" The most kosher loot is earned from the deaths of potential enemies.

In this respect, Russia is kosher than Israel. You earn more from selling weapons than Israel. What is the cost of the simultaneous sale of weapons to Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[Kesha1980]

Russia does not push in the back! Does not make value judgments in support of Armenia / Azerbaijan in the conflict. Doesn't show aggression. Unlike Lapid in August this year.

[Kesha1980]

Considering the shelling of civilians in Tskhinvali by "Grads", taking into account the attack on the peacekeepers, taking into account the Natsiks in Ukraine, etc. I see no point in the discussion.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Kesha1980

given the attack on peacekeepers

Peacekeepers without a mandate turn into aggressors

[standan]

The Sochi Agreement ("Agreement on the Principles of Peaceful Settlement of the Georgian-Ossetian Conflict") is a document signed in the city of Sochi (Russia) on June 24, 1992 by Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Chairman of the State Council (head of Georgia) Eduard Shevardnadze.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

The Sochi Agreement ("Agreement on the Principles of Peaceful Settlement of the Georgian-Ossetian Conflict") is a document signed in the city of Sochi (Russia) on June 24, 1992 by Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Chairman of the State Council (head of Georgia) Eduard Shevardnadze.

Memorandum on security guarantees in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum) 1994

[standan]

What does it have to do with it?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

What does it have to do with it?

And what does your link have to do with it?

[standan]

Grounds for the presence of peacekeepers

[Kesha1980]

"Sochi agreement", as the forum member "standan" pointed out. If you know how to read primary sources, the concept of competence and legal personality will help in analytics. It will help in life too.
Throw out brochures and instructions - it will also help in life.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Peacekeepers without a mandate turn into aggressors

And who deprived the Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia in 2008 of their international mandate?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Kesha1980

Considering the shelling of civilians in Tskhinvali by Grads,

The shelling of Tskhinval in 2008 is no different from the shelling of Grozny in 2001

[standan]

As well as the seizure of Palestinian lands and the Syrian Golan

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

As well as the seizure of Palestinian lands and the Syrian Golan

And also with the capture of the Kuriles

[standan]

Who captured them and when?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

Who captured them and when?

materiel

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F

[standan]

А до того? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

А до того? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

before there was the Portsmund Peace Treaty

[standan]

And before the war? Russia in the Kuriles since 1711, Japan - 1786

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

And before the war? Russia in the Kuriles since 1711, Japan - 1786

Russia ceased to own the Kuriles following the results of the 1905 war, this was fixed by the Portsmund Peace Treaty. Russia agreed with this.

[standan]

And Japan agreed to the loss of the Kuriles in 1945.
The formal surrender was signed on September 2, 1945 at 9:02 am Tokyo time aboard the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. For the USSR, which, together with other allies, accepted the surrender of Japan, this document became an act of implementation of the agreements of the Yalta Conference of 1945 regarding the return of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands under its sovereignty.
Please read the story, everything is there.

[alekseykabanets]

Guys, there are link shorteners. For example: https://is.gd/ Your link now looks like this: https://is.gd/OBQHub And then moderators sometimes remove long links, and a short link looks prettier.

[standan]

What are you talking about? All links are verified.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: standan

What are you talking about? All links are verified.

I understand that they have been checked and the browser is not so easy to deceive now, just short links look more aesthetically pleasing than the set of characters that replace the Cyrillic font in the page addresses.

[standan]

Alexey, I do not quite understand what you mean, just links to VIKI always have such a fucking look.

[alekseykabanets]

This is how the character set for the Kuril Islands looks like (in the page address, i.e. in the link) -% D0% 9A% D1% 83% D1% 80% D0% B8% D0% BB% D1% 8C% D1% 81% D0% BA% D0% B8% D0% B5_% D0% BE% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 80% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% B0 If Kyrilckie_octrova was written, then the link would look like this, but in Cyrillic - alas.)))) Therefore, such long links, as from Wikipedia, I always pass through the link shortener. Here is their review https://texterra.ru/blog/kak-sokratit-ssylku-obzor-12-servisov.html

[standan]

Thanks, I'll try to use

[standan]

Some kind of cut-down on your materiel

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

Some kind of cut-down on your materiel

It is assumed that the opponent has basic historical knowledge.

[standan]

You are not on the hike

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

You are not on the hike

Get personal. Are we going to talk on the topic or does the mod "d.u.r.k. itself" turn on?

[standan]

It is assumed that the opponent has basic historical knowledge.

This is how then to understand?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

This is how then to understand?

The USSR had a peace treaty with Japan in 1945, which it violated by declaring war on Japan in August 1945. Israel did not violate any peace treaty, since it did not originally exist with either the Palestinians or the Syrians. Both sides started a war with Israel and as a result suffered territorial losses as instigators of the war. Just as Germany suffered them by unleashing WWII.

[standan]

The USSR fulfilled its allied obligations to the countries participating in the coalition. And Japan, having lost the war, did not suffer territorial losses, but only returned the territories it had seized earlier. Although under the agreement with Roosevelt, Hokkaido was supposed to be under the protectorate of the USSR. See Yalta Treaty

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

The USSR fulfilled its allied obligations to the countries participating in the coalition.

That is, the war between the USSR and Japan was just because Japan was in the alliance of the Axis countries, which unleashed the war. And Israel, who fought against the forces that unleashed a war with him, waged an unjust war. So, what?

[standan]

I did not say this, you raised the question about the Kuril Islands

And also with the capture of the Kuriles

Although, I had to write, welcome back.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

I did not say this, you raised the question about the Kuril Islands

Then what questions remain about the Golan and Judea?

[standan]

I have no questions here, but when you make statements like this

In this respect, Russia is kosher than Israel. You earn more from selling weapons than Israel. What is the cost of the simultaneous sale of weapons to Armenia and Azerbaijan.

, with regard to my country, be prepared to be held accountable for your words.

[Shahno]

Yes, about kosher. Hasidim will have to attract

[Kesha1980]

... Then what questions remain about the Golan and Judea?

Yes, the fact of the matter is that it all started with this -

And now, for the purpose of the security of the State of Israel, problems (of a military nature) arise in countries far enough from Israel. For reference: the distance between Algeria and Israel is almost 3.000 km.
"Let's start terrorist attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities, or just bomb them."
"Someone" just got drunk. Someone, let's not point the finger.

[indy424]

firstly, nothing started from this. it all started much earlier, back in the 19th century.
secondly, this poster does not carry any request to the Palestinians. it's just a stupid lie for people who either can't read or don't want to be able to read. but just facing the British soldier, who is just in the foreground. but you go on, here everything is grabbed

[standan]

Andrey, if you want to prove something to your opponent, let's still adhere to historical facts, without distorting them in someone else's favor. History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, what was, that was, and otherwise it will not work.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

Andrey, if you want to prove something to your opponent, let's still adhere to historical facts, without distorting them in someone else's favor. History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, what was, that was, and otherwise it will not work.

Specify the facts of distortion?

[standan]

Well, for example

before there was the Portsmund Peace Treaty

, although I gave you a reference to the history of the Kuril Islands

[standan]

Or

andreykolesov123 (andreykolesov123) Today, 18:25 New
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Quote: standan
Did Russia attack Georgia or Ukraine?

Of course not, they themselves asked her to bring peacekeeping contingents into their territory.

[Kesha1980]

The shelling of Tskhinval in 2008 is no different from the shelling of Grozny in 2001

About the "shelling" of Grozny in 2001, as a sapper of that time, I will tell you a little about that "geography":

On January 21, 2001, an explosive device was detonated on Mikhailova Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny. As a result of the explosion, three traffic police officers received concussions.

On February 5, 2001, a controlled land mine UAZ - 452 of the West Siberian RUBOP was detonated on Derbentskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny.

On February 9, 2001, in the period from 11:00 to 12:00 near house No. 3 on 8th March street, unknown persons detonated a land mine of a URAL vehicle and an armored reconnaissance vehicle with servicemen of the VK Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, as a result of the explosion, two servicemen were killed and injured three.

On February 10, 2001, at 17 pm, in front of house No. 00 of Lenin Avenue, Leninsky District, Grozny, an explosive device was detonated in a car in which officers of the Oktyabrsky VOVD were following. As a result of the explosion, four police officers were killed.

On March 30, 2001 at 8:25 on Khankalskaya street in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, an NVU was blown up, a soldier was wounded during the explosion.

On April 20, 2001, at about 13 near the house number 20 on 7 Marta Street, a radio-controlled land mine of a UAZ car with OMON officers from the Omsk region was detonated.

On April 26, 2001 at 9 hours 45 minutes in the area of ​​Verkhnyaya Street, an explosive device of a URAL vehicle, belonging to the SOBR of the East Siberian RUBOP, was detonated. As a result of the explosion, no one was hurt.

On April 29, 2001, a radio-controlled land mine was detonated at post No. 4 on Khankalskaya Street. As a result of the explosion, two officers of the OMON Department of Internal Affairs of the Kostroma region received injuries of varying severity.

On May 1, 2001, a radio-controlled land mine was detonated along Derbentskaya Street. As a result, two employees of the Temporary Department of Internal Affairs of the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny were injured.

June 4, 2001 on 8 Marta street detonation of an explosive device. A citizen was killed.

On June 6, 2001, on Saykhanov Street, Oktyabrsky District, Grozny, an explosive device was detonated by a patrol consisting of police officers from the VOVD. As a result of the explosion, one employee was killed.

June 7, 2001 on the street Zernovaya near the house number 22 the explosion of the NVU. As a result of the explosion, a citizen was wounded.

On June 30, 2001, at the intersection of Buinakskaya and Asinovskaya streets, an NVU was blown up. As a result of the explosion, one employee was killed and the officers of the OMON Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh Region were wounded.

On July 10, 2001, a URAL car was blown up, as a result of the explosion, an employee of the SOM for the protection of the oil pipeline died.

On July 13, 2001, on Murmanskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny, a UAZ vehicle of the West Siberian SOBR was blown up.

On July 18, 2001, at about 15:00 near the house number 162 on Tramvaynaya Street in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, an NVU was blown up. Police officers were wounded.

On July 20, 2001, a car "NIVA" was blown up in Saykhanov Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny. One person died.

On July 22, 2001, at the intersection of Mikhailova and Zabolotny Streets, a KAMAZ car with UMS officers was blown up.

On July 26, 2001, at 133 on Verkhnyaya Street, two hundred meters from Pavel Musorov Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny, a car was blown up with police officers of the Chechen Ministry of Internal Affairs.

On August 9, 2001, on Khankalskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny, a UAZ car with employees was blown up.

On August 11, 2001, a URAL car was blown up by the OMON of the Republic of Tuva. A police officer was killed.

On August 15, 2001, at about 17 during special events in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, a serviceman died as a result of an explosion from his wounds.

On August 27, 2001 at 12:30 at the crossroads of Stavropolskaya and Krasnoflotskaya streets, a KAVZ bus was blown up with riot police officers from St. Petersburg. Seventeen police officers were wounded.

On September 9, 2001, at about 11 am, near the house number 30 on the street on March 1, a URAL car with servicemen was blown up.

On September 13, 2001, on Asinovskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny, an armored personnel carrier-80 of the riot police of the Krasnodar Territory was detonated. Six police officers were injured.

On September 17, 2001, near the Minutka square in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, a military helicopter MI-8 was hit.

On October 3, 2001, on Saykhanov Street, Oktyabrsky District, Grozny, a URAL car was blown up with riot police officers from the Omsk Region.

On November 5, 2001, a URAL car with servicemen was blown up in front of house No. 12 of Asinovskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny.

November 10, 2001. Detonation of an explosive device at the intersection of Burovaya and A. Makarov streets of a Zhiguli car.

On November 11, 2001, at 9:00 am, while conducting Engineering Intelligence along Krasnoflotskaya Street in the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny, an NVD was detonated. As a result, two servicemen were killed and seven were injured.

On November 14, 2001, a UAZ-452 wired explosive device was blown up on Gudermeskaya Street, three hundred meters from checkpoint 28 in the direction of Minutka Square. During the explosion, five employees of the Temporary Department of Internal Affairs of the Oktyabrsky District of the city of Grozny were injured.

On December 3, 2001 at 10:45 am, on the way from the settlement of Khankala to the VOVD of the Oktyabrskiy district of the city of Grozny, three hundred meters from the checkpoint # 35, a radio-controlled landmine of a UAZ vehicle was detonated. As a result, three police officers received concussions.

On December 3, 2001, on Tramvaynaya and P. Musorov streets in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, an NVD was blown up against the police officers of the Chelyabinsk police department.

December 20, 2001. at the intersection of Saykhanova and 8 March streets, a URAL OMON car in the Omsk region was blown up.

On December 30, 2001, at about 9:00 am, at the intersection of Planovaya and 8 March streets in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, a radio-controlled land mine exploded a NIVA car under the control of a police officer.

On December 31, 2001 at 10 at the intersection of Gudermeskaya and Bagration streets in the Oktyabrsky district of the city of Grozny, an armored personnel carrier-38 with servicemen was detonated.

Do not carry a snowstorm, "lover of democracy" Gradov ", Nazis and separate terrorism"
Throw your propaganda materials down the toilet or look there instead of mirrors.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Kesha1980

Do not carry a snowstorm, "lover of democracy" Gradov ", Nazis and separate terrorism"
Throw your propaganda materials down the toilet or look there instead of mirrors.

You there with your pro-Arab propaganda

[Kesha1980]

. your pro-Arab propaganda

Specify exactly what "pro-Arab agitation"?
I saw your illogical attacks in the direction of my country, answered, operated with facts (Georgia, Ukraine. About the "sent helicopter" - read also the facts - I accompanied the convoy). I hope you "brainwashed Russophobic propaganda" can be returned to the bosom of sanity precisely by operating with facts. My recommendation is humane and based on humanity. For it is healthy and logical.
Facts, uncle! You do not use facts, you just throw yourself "poop". Already, I suppose, they got used to them from head to toe - to throw so much.

[indy424]

for example, spread what you put there with lies designed for idiots

[Kesha1980]

We clog "Iranian-Israeli relations" in Wiki.
Even chemical weapons components, however)

[standan]

Did Russia attack Georgia or Ukraine?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

Did Russia attack Georgia or Ukraine?

Of course not, they themselves asked her to bring peacekeeping contingents into their territory.

[standan]

Are there peacekeepers on the territory of Ukraine? Whose?

[standan]

Why are you minus?

[Kesha1980]

It's okay, comrades will support

[standan]

Yes, it's purple to me, it's just a dispute, it's a dispute, everyone defends their point of view. Innokenty, thank you

[Andy]

Quote: andreykolesov123

andreykolesov123 (andreykolesov123)
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Quote: standan
Did Russia attack Georgia or Ukraine?

Of course not, they themselves asked her to bring peacekeeping contingents into their territory.

How many US reconnaissance planes and satellites flew the Russian army did not film. the same is true for the Bandera in Donbas, although everyone has a smartphone in their pockets

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: standan

Did Russia attack Georgia or Ukraine?

What is written about Israel is more important to me.

[standan]

And to me - about Russia. We are not at war with Israel, and we have normal diplomatic and other relations. 40 percent of Israel's population are Russian-speaking former citizens of the former great country. This is your choice and it is not for me to judge you. But when you start writing nasty things about my country, I personally will not tolerate this.

[zlinn]

40 percent of the population of Israel are Russian-speaking

this is of course a strong exaggeration, only 15%, and this includes those who were born in Israel but speak Russian

[Shahno]

I would say that 30-40 percent of the population have certain ties and very significant (if we take the pedigree) with Russia and the Republic of Ingushetia, but not everyone remembers the Russian language.

[standan]

And more

Quilted jacket manifesto. (written for hamsters)

Quilted jackets are simple residents, very different, with different incomes, different education and different preferences in life. We are not an association or a political party, we are not divided into nationalities, skin color and eye shape. We are everywhere and there are those things that unite us.

We see both good and bad things happening in our country.

We rejoice at the country's successes and worry about its defeats.

We criticize the authorities when we see what they are doing wrong and we praise when everything goes the way we like.

We are not very interested in events abroad as long as they do not concern us, but if our country is compared with some other, then we begin to compare in everything.

We did not like unfounded statements. He said - confirm, moreover with numbers, calculations and other boring, but accurate things.

We have no idols, but we will rally around the leader we see at the head of the country. At the same time, we will turn our backs on him, if he stops no, not to suit us, but to suit the country.

We trust nothing and no one at their word, we double-check any information repeatedly. “This is obvious to everyone” does not work with us, it is not obvious to us, we need facts.

We love it when they criticize, but only when they criticize the fact and offer a solution. And yes, the decision must be calculated and verified.

We are ready to listen to any opinion, if it is supported by facts.

We admit our mistakes and correct them, but you shouldn't poke our noses, we ourselves have already seen and poked ourselves with our noses.

If you want to tell us something - we will be glad if you are going to tell us about the horror of our life - do not waste your nerves.

And yes, we can really repeat it if they come to us again with weapons in their hands. “We are in paradise, and they will simply die.” Manifesto of a quilted jacket. (written for hamsters)

Quilted jackets are simple residents, very different, with different incomes, different education and different preferences in life. We are not an association or a political party, we are not divided into nationalities, skin color and eye shape. We are everywhere and there are those things that unite us.

We see both good and bad things happening in our country.

We rejoice at the country's successes and worry about its defeats.

We criticize the authorities when we see what they are doing wrong and we praise when everything goes the way we like.

We are not very interested in events abroad as long as they do not concern us, but if our country is compared with some other, then we begin to compare in everything.

We did not like unfounded statements. He said - confirm, moreover with numbers, calculations and other boring, but accurate things.

We have no idols, but we will rally around the leader we see at the head of the country. At the same time, we will turn our backs on him, if he stops no, not to suit us, but to suit the country.

We trust nothing and no one at their word, we double-check any information repeatedly. “This is obvious to everyone” does not work with us, it is not obvious to us, we need facts.

We love it when they criticize, but only when they criticize the fact and offer a solution. And yes, the decision must be calculated and verified.

We are ready to listen to any opinion, if it is supported by facts.

We admit our mistakes and correct them, but you shouldn't poke our noses, we ourselves have already seen and poked ourselves with our noses.

If you want to tell us something - we will be glad if you are going to tell us about the horror of our life - do not waste your nerves.

And yes, we can really repeat it if they come to us again with weapons in their hands. "We are in paradise, and they will simply die."

[And Us Rat]

Quote: andreykolesov123

In this respect, Russia is kosher than Israel. You earn more from selling weapons than Israel. What is the cost of the simultaneous sale of weapons to Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[askort154]

Israel warned the United States about its readiness to solve the problem of creating nuclear weapons by Iran by military means

The question is, who is turning whom? A dog's tail, or a dog's tail?
According to the "status" must be a dog. And if there are "thorns" on the tail - the tail.
Now this dog has on its tail instead of thorns, the most powerful financial "wallet" in the world, which is controlled by Jewish bankers. And this is the most powerful lobby in the United States, and not only. In Russia, too, the owners of banks are all Jews. I am not an anti-Semite, I am stating the realities. Therefore, everything is permitted for Israel today. He even left the UN and all international institutions. He has nuclear weapons, everyone knows, but they are silent. He can bomb left and right neighbors, moreover, from the airspace of other neighbors, but the world community stubbornly does not "notice" this. And when Russia moves its military units on its own territory, this "problem" is raised to the skies, because all the media are controlled by it. Therefore, it is clear with the naked eye that today the world is ruled by financiers! They advocate globalism and unipolarity. And since Russia is the world's storehouse of all the resources on Earth, including fresh water, it will not be left alone until it is "in the teeth", since this has happened more than once. They know this, but greed for free profit drives them again and again, because it is in their genes. Therefore, Russia does not need to "split in two", but it is necessary to embark on its own course, laid out by its loyal ancestors.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: askort154

In Russia, too, the owners of banks are all Jews.

I only know two - Fridman and Kogan (Uralsib). The rest are representatives of the indigenous peoples who, to fulfill their own American dream, from time to time, sonorize their institutions, throwing fellow tribesmen on deposits)).

Quote: askort154

He even left the UN and all international institutions.

Did you mean Unesco?

[Okolotochny]

I only know two - Fridman and Kogan (Uralsib).

Albert, ah vey)) Mikhelson, Vekselberg, etc.))) By the way, Mikhelson is my fellow countryman, like I. Prigogine))

[Shahno]

Well, let's say hetsi hetsi. But there is definitely no dominance here.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shahno

Well, let's say hetsi hetsi. But there is definitely no dominance here.

Not even 10 percent. This business in Russia is quite troublesome, a lot of all sorts of nuances, so the Jews, with the exception of megamagnes like Friedman and Rotenberg, don't go there too much.

[Shahno]

And I think there are 10 percent of Jews, too. And then they registered according to my mother. And we have never seen a tallit

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shahno

And I think there are 10 percent of Jews, too. And then they registered according to my mother. And we have never seen a tallit

Less than 10%. Nobody hides nationality in the Russian Federation today - it makes no sense.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

I only know two - Fridman and Kogan (Uralsib).

Albert, ah vey)) Mikhelson, Vekselberg, etc.))) By the way, Mikhelson is my fellow countryman, like I. Prigogine))

Greetings!
Mikhelson has gas and petrochemicals (Sibur and Novatek), Vekselberg is part of Alfagroup, but has nothing to do with banking)). Of the Russian Jews, I only know about two bankers - Fridman and Kogany (dad died, the children are selling the bank's property - on Krasnaya 52 they sold a cute mansion to some gas workers, it seems), plus they also have an oil refinery in the Territory.
Regarding other Russian banks, I have not heard of the founders of Jews
Pervomaisky (Alexander Izmailov), who was dubbed, is not a Jew, it seems, Promsvyazbank pulled out of the sonation process - nowadays purely Russian Londoners Ananyevs)).
Yes, I remembered - even Rotenberg and his bank were under sanctions, I remember the branch was next to my office on Lenin-Sedin. Closed

[Shahno]

I also think that the influence of Jewish bankers today is not very serious.
But the influence of firms in the IT industry is very likely.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shahno

I also think that the influence of Jewish bankers today is not very serious.
But the influence of firms in the IT industry is very likely.

There is a serious influence of Putin in Russia)).
The rest - insofar as.

[Shahno]

Well, that's understandable ... Free Russia,

[Krasnodar]

Really free - everything is solvable. ))

[Shahno]

Everything? How did we manage to bring microelectronics to the world level .. I'm very happy. Did you manage to make the ruble the world's reserve currency ..? Did you manage to get women to give birth to 3 children?
Well, then, of course, everything was successful, and everything can be solved ... You don’t die of hunger, they throw some money, you don’t steal mineral resources for another 100 years.
And most importantly, that there was a Supreme, he will prompt. And his "infantryman".

[Krasnodar]

For about other problems are solved)).

[Shahno]

I never said that there is no success.
This system of tight centralization is very effective. But ... if you try to go beyond. To Europe, for example.

[VORON538]

If Abramovich was excommunicated, if you look more closely, half will be, if not more!

[Krasnodar]

We're talking about banks. Not three liters.

[Okolotochny]

In show business too)) Continuous dominance)) By the way, another fellow countryman, Tishman studied at my school.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

In show business too)) Continuous dominance)) By the way, another fellow countryman, Tishman studied at my school.

In show business to fig, in big business - too, and in banking - a few. There are a lot of options for a serious flight with sad consequences for reasons independent of you. Now, if there is a guarantee of comprehensive support at all levels, it is another matter, but a very narrow circle of the Russian business elite has one, many of whom also prefer to stay away from this business))

[Ashes of Claes]

due to disagreements when signing a general wage agreement.

rzhu -
Israel MoD: But let's go banging across Iran!
Israeli Foreign Ministry: Good for you ... your salaries are high
MO: So we have an "Iranian threat" for that..
MFA: Damn ... maybe raise attendants on Lavrov?

[faiver]

Lavrov canceled visit to Israel after reports of preparations for strike on Iran

- It seems to me alone that the flight of several Tu-22M3s or the emergence of a Russian submarine with cruise missiles on board near the borders of the territorial waters of Israel would have a much greater effect than Lavrov's refusal to tour the Promised Land ...

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: faiver

it seems to me alone that the flight of several Tu-22M3s or there is an ascent

yes, it looks like you are the only one. For write nonsense.

[faiver]

Well, yes, and chew snot smartly ...

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: faiver

Well, yes, and chew snot smartly ...

Do you consider working visits of high-ranking diplomats to be chewing snot? Perhaps the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be reassigned to the Ministry of Defense?

[faiver]

We don't live in tea in the 19th century, you can talk by phone or video ...

Perhaps the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be reassigned to the Ministry of Defense?

- why, it is better for them to establish the salary of the "middle class"

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: faiver

- why, it is better for them to establish the salary of the "middle class"

but with this categorically I agree! But then, I'm afraid, Mana Zakharova will not be enough for her favorite cigars. So I see: I am driving through Smolenka, and at the Foreign Ministry skyscraper there are billboards - "Office rent, tel ......" preferential mortgage "

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And how many people who are not chosen by God live on the territory of this Israel? Why are they?

[faiver]

Get down to business, they know ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Shaw? And the Arab kiddies, peacefully gazing at synagogues, also into radioactive ashes?

[faiver]

why go to radioactive immediately? you have to go to the toilet in the right place ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: faiver

the passage of several Tu-22M3s or there the emergence of a Russian submarine with cruise missiles on board near the borders of territorial waters

It will look like shaking a pistol in front of a tank.
Or, in your opinion, Israel is somewhere on the level of Estonia?
You at least tighten up the materiel so that you do not write outright nonsense.

[faiver]

A lot of you smart people have gathered here, but Israel is far from Estonia, and Russia is not Bangladesh either ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: faiver

Russia is not Bangladesh ...

Indisputably. Moreover, within its borders, it is practically invincible.
But expeditionary capabilities do not depend solely on strength, but on the tools for projecting this force, roughly speaking, logistics.
It works like a crane, at the tower (center of mass) it can lift, for example, 200 tons, and at the tip of the arrow - only 5. This is commonplace physics and mathematics.
And in this case, the weight of the load exceeds the lifting capacity of the boom at a given distance from the tower. And it exceeds it critically.
Therefore, any attempt to lift will end in an accident.
Fortunately, today's crane operator is fluent in the materiel for his crane, in contrast to idle onlookers.

[faiver]

Fortunately, today's crane operator is fluent in the materiel for his crane,

- so he locked himself in the crane booth and decided to sit there until a ripe old age

[And Us Rat]

Quote: faiver

Fortunately, today's crane operator is fluent in the materiel for his crane,

- so he locked himself in the crane booth and decided to sit there until a ripe old age

Well, this does not apply to his skills, the duration of the work shift is already a separate topic.

[Arthur]

Well, it’s you in vain ... You go to the other extreme ... Yes, Israel is not Estonia and is even stronger than all three Baltic countries combined, but "the emergence of AT LEAST ONE Russian submarine off the coast of Israel" is at least is tantamount to as if the Israeli tank MERKAVA would be surrounded by ten (!) shooters from the Javelinai (ATGM) ... My question to you: what will then be left of the MERKAVA, even if we assume that they will still have time to destroy from the tank 5 shooters out of ten ???

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Arturo

Well, it’s you in vain ... You go to the other extreme ... Yes, Israel is not Estonia and is even stronger than all three Baltic countries combined, but "the emergence of AT LEAST ONE Russian submarine off the coast of Israel" is at least is tantamount to as if the Israeli tank MERKAVA would be surrounded by ten (!) shooters from the Javelinai (ATGM) ... My question to you: what will then be left of the MERKAVA, even if we assume that they will still have time to destroy from the tank 5 shooters out of ten ???

I answered above, but I'll expand it for you.
One sub is a target, not a threat.
If the missiles are nuclear, then Israel will simply deploy its nuclear weapons to the launching position, and take aim at the submarine, and what next? If she rock the boat, she will be drowned, you probably cannot imagine the concentration of fire under which she will find herself. Microbes won't survive there. And if its missiles reach the targets, then Israel will have no choice but to grab more of the enemy with it, and something is guaranteed to fly. As a result, millions were killed on both sides, because one decided to take the other weakly, ignoring the fact that it never worked in 70 years.
Idiocy.
If the missiles are conventional, then this is generally a bunch of puddles. Electronic warfare and missile defense will pretty much thin out the salvo, and what will fly across the country will be a scratch. But the boat will still be drowned, they will open fire on it, as soon as it starts shooting.

So what's next? There will even be nothing to show - self-defense in its purest form.

[Arthur]

Oh, here it is ... In your opinion, the Russian submarine is an easy target and what will fly from this submarine will be a "scratch" ??? Or are you sure that it will surface right in front of Haifa and will fire rockets left and right ???
"... As a result, millions were killed on both sides, because one decided to take the other weakly, ignoring the fact that it has never worked in 70 years ..." And when the Israeli special services in another state (not even which has borders with Israel ...) kill prominent scientists and the IDF threatens to be the first (!) idiocy ???

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Arturo

In your opinion, the Russian submarine is an easy target

Alone and off the coast of Israel, where the IDF navy knows the entire fairway by heart, the bottom for hundreds of miles is littered with all kinds of anti-submarine sensors that monitor half of the Middle-earth in real time, and anti-submarine aircraft at an approach distance of 5-10 minutes ... you seriously asked this ?
You can just as well go straight to the port, which is too small a lot.

Quote: Arturo

what will fly from this submarine will be a "scratch" ???

How many RCs on the same Yasen (885)? 40 pieces. Of these, let 10 break through the electronic warfare field and 4 (FOUR CARL!) Superimposed missile defense layers. AND? Well, they will hit ten targets out of a couple of thousand, so what? They will not even put one military airfield (out of 23!) Out of action for more than 10-12 hours. Yes, even all 40 will not do much of the weather. What is this if not a scratch?

Quote: Arturo

it will surface right in front of Haifa and will shoot rockets left and right ???

Well, it was said by the initiator of the controversy - "off the coast of Israel", and taking into account the capabilities of the IDF - this is almost the entire eastern Mediterranean, starting from Greece.

Quote: Arturo

and the IDF threatens to strike first (!)

When religious fanatics ruling a country that does not even border Israel pass a law obliging the government to make every effort to physically eliminate Israel. He is leading a proxy war against Israel, sponsoring terrorist attacks and shelling against civilians, and conducting nuclear development ...
In my opinion, only a complete imbecile will sit back and hope that it will carry.

[Arthur]

"" ... When the religious fanatics running the country ... "". Well, here you are too much and let me disagree with you ... Do you happen to know why on the Holy Promised Land every year (or every quarter ... I don’t remember ... it’s not important) LGBT people are allowed to hold their parades? ?? This is also a kind of fanaticism (godlessly Western liberal "democratic") ... Don't you agree?

[And Us Rat]

I do not agree, because it is nonsense.
I prefer not to respond to demagoguery and outright distortions.

[Arthur]

And the fact that the authorities (not the people ...) of Israel are threatening to be the first (!) To bomb modern Iran, whose age of Civilization is about 5.000 (!) Years, is quite normally perceived by the liberal community of the West and cannot threaten peace in region or even around the world ???
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"" .... Wages a proxy war against Israel, sponsors terrorist attacks and shelling against civilians, and conducts nuclear development .... "". And the government and special services of Israel - well, just saints, white and fluffy ??? And by chance you do not know - who is arming and financing the Kurdish militants in Syria (and not only ...), who in some countries are considered notorious terrorists ??? Go to page: https: //jewish.ru/ru/events/world/180569 / ... weapons will be used against the civilians of Nagorno-Karabakh ???

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Arturo

threaten to be the first (!) to bomb

I have already answered this, I am not a parrot, repeat 10 times, if it does not reach you, then these are your difficulties.

Quote: Arturo

age of Civilization = about 5.000 (!) years

Iranian theocratic tyranny - 42 years.
The entire "civilization" died under the thumb of religious fanatics and plunged into obscurantism.

Quote: Arturo

And by chance you do not know - who is arming and financing the Kurdish militants in Syria

No, I do not know. And what, someone was caught red-handed by the hand?
And what kind of sadness are you? You Turkish?

Quote: Arturo

do not know why Israel sold offensive (!) weapons to Azerbaijan for several billion dollars - knowing in advance that these weapons will be used against the civilians of Nagorno-Karabakh ???

For the same reason as Russia. For money.
This is how business works in the world, and the arms trade in particular.
You are climbing into the wrong bottle with your propaganda slogans. Don't make yourself laugh.

[Arthur]

For your general erudition: Arms trade is pure politics, not business. Answer the question - why did the Israeli prime minister go to Putin several years ago to ask him not to supply S-400 air defense systems to Syria ??? If the arms trade is a business, why was Netanyahu so fidgety and worried ??? And another question: What will Israel's reaction be if the US decides to sell Hezbollah and Hamas compact anti-tank javlins (ATGM), Stingers (compact portable air defense systems) and a couple of dozen light attack UAVs ???? Waiting for an answer...
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I'm not old Hotabych to get into a bottle. And yet - it is you who are engaged in propaganda here and, moreover, with such an aplomb that does not tolerate any objections. Visitors to this forum are not high school students, and you are not a director with the ultimate truth ...

[Arthur]

Respect for your cynicism ... Everything is clear ...

[Arthur]

What did you add this bloody photo here ??? For what? This is not propaganda in your opinion? By the way, this particular photo has nothing to do with Iran and refers to another Muslim country and you know about it better than me ... LGBT parade in Jerusalem (!!!), i.e. in the holy city of three (!) world religions .....

[And Us Rat]

You are free to believe whatever you want. But if you think that I will in all seriousness discuss your biased speculations, sucked from the finger, then you are clearly mistaken with the address. I am not discussing nonsense.
And about the LGBT people you are so suspiciously stubbornly interested in:
1. They do not commit acts of terrorism, and do not call to kill people.
2. Israel is a free country, and everyone has the right to such events, if you want a parade of avocado lovers - apply to the city hall and go.
3. LGBT people are dangerous only to dense people. It is not contagious and "LGBT propaganda" is impossible in principle, the laws of biology are against. And while they do not creep into my life, they do not bother me personally and are not interesting to me.

[your vsr 66-67]

What would that Israel do without the United States? One, i.e. without the support of the Stars-Stripes, I would never have dared to undertake any adventure! Well, at the same time, the money bags of the whole world are also them, and for money you can buy anyone. There are a lot of examples of this in our long-suffering Russia.

[VicktorVR]

Interestingly there is twisting. Israel (as well as other bridgeheads around the world) is gradually becoming a "suitcase without a handle" for the United States - and you don't want to leave it and there is practically no strength to drag it.

But you still have to decide, and the further the decision is delayed, the harder the consequences will be, and of any decision, and there are no good decisions.

They pulled and pulled with the Northern Alliance, and it turned out what happened.

[Petrik66]

Lavrov canceled a visit to Israel after reports of preparations for an attack on Iran - title of the article

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov canceled his visit to Israel, which was supposed to take place today, December 12, 2021. This is somehow connected with the announced plans of Israel on Iran, or there is some completely different reason, is not reported. At least Lavrov has postponed his visit for now, although it was considered very important in light of Iran’s nuclear program.

iron logic

[Radio]

Get out! Russia is also to blame for the small salary of Israel's Foreign Ministry employees ... Russia's power is growing by leaps and bounds .......

[aleks700]

Who needs another nuclear state? Who is next? Turkey?

[bovi]

Firstly, BGantz said that this is a political message and it should be considered in the context of the Iran-US agreement, which may not be happy in Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. Secondly, the reason is quite obvious: between the can and the darkest there were agreements on red lines (in words, not that you can write) .. and these our buffoons from the casket of the General Staff decided to push through an "independent decision." If anything, the general staff of my country is by the sea, not in the mountains. That is, Lavrov needs to reconsider with the Kremlin what depends on that conversation on the zoom ...
The trouble with these generals-politicians - they are too small for a long game and too much ready to take on themselves just out of habit.

[Sergey3]

That's right, he has nothing to do in Israel. You can’t do anything with the Jews, you’ll always be a loser.

[Maga Winner]

Didn't they let you in?

[Tank hard]

cute scolding - only amuse.

[Shahno]

Well, the key persons got sick, and we already "inflated" theories here ..

[Raven 95]

the trade union of workers of the Israeli Foreign Ministry decided to boycott the visit of the Russian minister due to disagreements in the signing of a general agreement on wages

I don’t understand, is Lavrov paying them their salaries?
And so they burned.

[Arthur]

And who gave the right to Israel to determine who can have nuclear weapons, and someone can’t ???? Who are the judges? Israel itself has long had such a weapon (remember the "leak" from the Israeli atomic scientist M. Vanunu ...). If Israel thinks that their blood is redder than that of the Iranians and the Jewish special services can "with impunity" remove scientists from another state, then they are deeply mistaken ... Iran is one of the most ancient states in the World (clearly not younger than Israel ... ), but with wisdom and intelligence - they are clearly not deprived and in this regard are not inferior to Israel ...

[Lara Croft]

The Zionist regime and its Israeli military have always followed a course in the wake of military preparations with the United States to unleash wars in the Middle East in order to infringe on the rights and very existence of working peoples, incl. and IRI ...

[Shahno]

The Zionist regime is listening ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Lara Croft

The Zionist regime and its Israeli military have always followed a course in the wake of military preparations with the United States to unleash wars in the Middle East in order to infringe on the rights and very existence of working peoples, incl. and IRI ...

The corrupt Mr. NID_a of Zionism has firmly squeezed into the highlighted hairstyle of the freedom-loving peoples of the Middle East, continuing to drink the proletarian blood of progressively oriented citizens of Iran, Lebanon and Syria. Tears of indignation flow down the mustache of Arab and Persian children and women, the calloused hand of the Guardian of the Islamic Revolution angrily squeezes the loins of his comrade-in-arms at the mere mention of the word "Israel" ..

[Hunter 2]

Albert Only you could write such a comment That's right - that's what you need ... I just forgot to add about bearded boys

[Krasnodar]

Greetings, Alex!
Bearded uncles in dresses, carrying the ideas of goodness, peace, warmth and light to the broad Jewish masses on a narrow strip of land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, have long understood the whole rotten essence of the Zionist regime of hatred and intolerance of lonely love.
This rotten abscess on the healthy body of BV poses the greatest threat to all loving IA-IA, who did not succumb to the pernicious influence of Hollywood Propaganda to the individuals of the Middle East ...

[Anchonsha]

Today's Israel has finally become a lackey in the United States. Not smart leaders, you need to look for ways of reconciliation with the Arabs and with the same Persians, with whom you need to live like a neighbor, with kindness, and not rely on the crumbling United States. Or do they think they will solve the problems with Iran by a war on nuclear weapons? Are you going to live next to them after the nuclear bombing?

[Krasnodar]

Kind peace-loving Arabs have always wanted to live in a friendly neighborly way next to this devil of Hell - but the Zionists, these sixes of the United States, haughtily discarded the olive branch of the world offered to them, giving in return to the countries of the long-suffering Middle East a star-striped dildo of carpet bombing of peaceful armored colonies of Egyptian, Syrian, Syrian and Syrian and Syrian and Syrian , leaving for the friendship rally with the expected finish in Tel Aviv ...

[Nitarius]

Israel .. in vain playing the fool ... it will come out sideways to him!

[DanG73]

Quote: Lara Croft

The Zionist regime and its Israeli military have always followed a course in the wake of military preparations with the United States to unleash wars in the Middle East in order to infringe on the rights and very existence of working peoples, incl. and IRI ...

Damn, as if an extract from a Soviet newspaper of the eighties is real. Man clearly worked in the ideological part of the USSR.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: DanG73

Damn, as if an extract from a Soviet newspaper of the eighties is real. Man clearly worked in the ideological part of the USSR.

I have a file "ZVO" since 1975, there you can read something else on the first pages ...

[AntiAleks]

Canceling an appointment is gut. But here's the tale about the bombing - there is nothing, too late, and there is no one to make such decisions.

[Butchcassidy]

Iran has not made a decision to create a nuclear device.

[Volga073]

It is necessary to "fry" these Jewish terrorist airfields well.