The military-industrial complex collegium announced the date of the end of the tests of the Su-57 fighter with the second stage engine

A member of the Russian collegium of the military-industrial complex brought a little clarity to the issue of the second stage engine for the Su-57. He denied previously received information from various sources in the defense industry that the tests of the fighter with the new engine would be completed in 2022, saying that the end of the test of the SU-57 with the second stage engine is planned at the end of 2024. In general, the tests of the aircraft with the new power plant will last until 2026.

Tests of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter with a second stage engine will be completed in 2024, and from 2027 the aircraft will be supplied to the troops in a new guise. The first deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) Andrey Yelchaninov told the media about it.

According to him, out of 76 ordered under the first contract of the Su-57, about 25 fighters will be supplied with a second stage engine. As part of the new state program, from 2027, the fighters will go to the troops in a new guise. In addition, the fighter will be armed with a hypersonic missile, which is already ready.

Tests of the aircraft with the new engine should be completed by 2024. In general, tests with the completion of the second stage engine will last until 2026.

- leads "Interfax" words of Elchaninov.

Recall that this year the Aerospace Forces will receive four Su-57 fighters with a first stage engine. In total, by the end of 2024, 22 out of 57 SU-76 fighters will be delivered, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019. The Su-57 should be rearmed with three aviation shelf. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

Comments

[Engineer Schukin]

There is hysteria in fascington now.
From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts.
The best fighter in the world history of military aviation. The avant-garde of world aviation technologies. There is nothing to even compare.
You will see, soon there will be news about the general dismissal of soldiers from the Western Air Force.
Vivat Russia !!!!

[Sahalinets]

Hope this is sarcasm?

[knn54]

-He denied previously received information from various sources in the defense industry that the tests ...
Not too angry, though?

[alystan]

and brought a little clarity

And for me, he completely confused the situation:

In general, tests of the aircraft with the new power plant will last until 2026.
Tests of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter with a second stage engine will end in 2024 ... Andrei Yelchaninov, First Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC), told the media.

[John22]

I completely agree. The tests will end in 2024, but will last until 2026. In what language?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: John22

The tests will end in 2024, but will last until 2026. In what language?

Several years ago, on the radio (Sochi) I heard the weather forecast, I still remember it:
"...... rain is unlikely, but possible."

[Do not care]

Hope this is sarcasm?

This is a diagnosis.

[RPG_]

I'm sure it's sarcasm))

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

There is hysteria in fascington now.
From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts.
The best fighter in the world history of military aviation. The avant-garde of world aviation technologies. There is nothing to even compare.
You will see, soon there will be news about the general dismissal of soldiers from the Western Air Force.
Vivat Russia !!!!

Wow.

[Revival]

Yes, you will wake up from a binge, abruptly, like from a bucket of water by the collar, and you won't scribble something like that

[1976AG]

Influence of u-tuba on fragile minds ...

[spirit]

Influence of u-tuba on fragile minds

This is not a new strain of the Kissel virus! Side-by-side: intelligence drops to Kiselev's level

[Hiroo Onoda]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts

Good humor

[Ostup bender]

Subtle, subtle ...

[ALARI]

Not bad, not bad. The first time I didn’t understand, I thought one more vest on my chest tore)))

[Edik]

Quote: ALARI

Not bad, not bad. The first time I didn’t understand, I thought one more vest on my chest tore)))

Of course, there is a lot of pathos, but I think that we have a lot of debtors and it would not be bad to collect debts ..

[ALARI]

While we get together with the SU-57 for the debt to go, judging by the way we make decisions "quickly", the debtor will mount the Death Star in orbit, and the chosen ones on the horizon are not visible to lead the squadron into battle.

[Edik]

Quote: ALARI

While we get together with the SU-57 for the debt to go, judging by the way we make decisions "quickly", the debtor will mount the Death Star in orbit, and the chosen ones on the horizon are not visible to lead the squadron into battle.

With humor you are all right !!

[Ros 56]

Who is our celebrity specialist? Something not to see such on the horizon, while we are the first and only.

[ALARI]

As time goes by, water flows who would have thought 30 years ago that China would launch its rockets, build lunar rovers, grow rice on the moon, its own station in orbit (the base module is already there). So we are not the only ones with the station.

[Ros 56]

Duc does not fucking count the crows and fill your pockets, you have to spin. And I would put these grabbers right up to the wall, they are enemies.

[ALARI]

You don't have to spin, you have to have a DREAM and strive for it. Well, you can fill your pockets cleverly like Musk.

[Shahno]

This is a test ...
So the 6th generation is already planned there, no? By the age of 30.
Yes, something went wrong in the production of the turbojet engine. Yes, in general, and it is not surprising, because this generation of our graduates of the Moscow Aviation Institute and SSAU should now rock out ... At least in the positions of deputy chief.

[Barberry25]

there the engine is very difficult + it will become the basis for a whole family of engines, but about the 6th generation, it's like with the 5th now .. They seem to be like the USA has, but the main burden is carried by the f-15 and f-16. ...

[Titus_2]

Well, God forbid, because as I remember there are similar sizes al 41 and it means that the current dryers will go, in 10 years the modification of the current aircraft fleet. Well, as a colleague wrote above, our generation of graduates of the Moscow Aviation Institute and SSAU should already fill their hand.

[Barberry25]

well, for now, they want to put the adapted 41s on su-30cm2

[Civil]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

There is hysteria in fascington now.
From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts.
The best fighter in the world history of military aviation. The avant-garde of world aviation technologies. There is nothing to even compare.
You will see, soon there will be news about the general dismissal of soldiers from the Western Air Force.
Vivat Russia !!!!

Plagiarist however) but funny

[military_cat]

Where does the plagiarism come from? I can't guess. If there were "good fellows, handsome men rolled out the hipsters by the gills", then I would still try, but here - no idea.

[Letun]

Judging by the downsides, not everyone can be sarcastic. Rather, not only everyone can be sarcastic. No one can do this.

[Cosm22]

A sense of humor is very poorly combined with jingoistic patriotism.

[Letun]

Quote: Cosm22

A sense of humor is very poorly combined with jingoistic patriotism.

I would even say they don't match at all. For, as you know, the presence of a sense of humor is one of the signs of intelligence. But with the latter, the uryakalok are really bad

[Archon]

Add the amendment that it is difficult to distinguish sarcasm from insanity on this resource. Sometimes you think that this is sarcasm, but a person only needs to be treated with isolation from TV.

[Letun]

Quote: Archon

Add the amendment that it is difficult to distinguish sarcasm from insanity on this resource. Sometimes you think that this is sarcasm, but a person only needs to be treated with isolation from TV.

Yes, it is not only on this resource. Humanity is rapidly degrading. And now this is in all seriousness ...

[silver_roman]

With such a foreign policy with red lines in the MKAD area, at least live to 2027 ((

[Kesha1980]

Heh! Pan Ze, you are softer, smoother "change your shoes". Or change the password - because Klimkin is too choleric.

[Artur Loginov]

Just by this time, Putin, with his team, will finally raise Russia from its knees.

[max91]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

There is hysteria in fascington now.
From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts.
The best fighter in the world history of military aviation. The avant-garde of world aviation technologies. There is nothing to even compare.
You will see, soon there will be news about the general dismissal of soldiers from the Western Air Force.
Vivat Russia !!!!

It will definitely be extended. A lot will change in 2027. Maybe there will be no dollar, but judging by the international situation and many countries.

[vtiper]

Overheated?

[zenion]

Engineer Shchukin. They do not trust you, first of all, that you are an engineer and Shchukin. Probably they assume that you are academician Akulov, while white, and they think that these sharks are not extinct, but mock them. There are no analogues, not that there are none, besides, they are invisible. They fly exactly on time, as they said, and they rinse their brains across the cordon as if he were not there. They say these are tricks in order to catch Western aviation and destroy with one blow. He is invisible due to the fact that he flies low, low and is made up like a sparrow. But, as soon as he sees the enemy, he will immediately turn around and there are no analogues of the Russian

[zenion]

Engineer Shchukin. They do not trust you, first of all, that you are an engineer and Shchukin. Probably they assume that you are academician Akulov, while white, and they think that these sharks are not extinct, but mock them. There are no analogues, not that there are none, besides, they are invisible. They fly exactly on time, as they said, and they rinse their brains across the cordon as if he were not there. They say these are tricks in order to catch Western aviation and destroy with one blow. He is invisible due to the fact that he flies low, low and is made up like a sparrow. But, as soon as he sees the enemy, he will immediately turn around and there are no analogues of Russian thought, which in a triple jump jumped back over the abyss made of galoshes, onto invisible planes.

[Archon]

I do not believe. Rather, they will tell their own people that the su57 is a dangerous weapon and the Pentagon needs more money, and they will tell strangers that the Russian plane is no good and buy the F35, the best proven plane. But what about Turkey? If she does not sell F35, then they will buy Su57 and can deliver with their own or Israeli electronics and their missiles. And if the Americans sell them f35, then this is a failure of the sanctions. And the fact that the Russian Federation will sell aircraft, I have no doubt. He initially went to cooperation with India, which means, for export with a part of the domestic market.

[28st region]

According to him, out of 76 ordered under the first contract of the Su-57, about 25 fighters will be supplied with a second stage engine. As part of the new state program, from 2027, the fighters will go to the troops in a new guise.

How much can you promise ???????????

[YOUR]

Well at least they promise, they could keep silent.

[victor50]

Quote: YOUR

Well at least they promise, they could keep silent

Which would be better. And then one could say - tested, delivered. And even then - is it necessary?

[alone]

Quote: 28st region

How much can you promise

The good thing about a promise is that you can forget it later.

[Tagan]

Quote: gfh899

Haha by 2027 there will already be 35 thousand F-5s around the world

It depends on the ability of the "hegemon" at that time to snatch their irons.

[sledak]

Quote: gfh899

Haha by 2027 there will already be 35 thousand F-5s around the world

Maybe you are right, only except for the Israeli ones, which were doped, apparently, as it should, the rest can be ignored. Brita won't take off at all, then umbrellas, then raincoats ...
I hope there is some truth in my sarcasm (almost wrote another word) joke of humor.

[Nevsky_ZU]

At the dawn of the formation of the T-50 PAK FA (su-57) project, all experts argued that the first stage engine actually meets the requirements for a 5th generation fighter. And indeed it can work in non-afterburner mode for some time. This was especially often talked about in the programs "Shock Power" on Channel One at the end of the 41s. A representative of "Saturn" sits there, if my memory serves me, and says something like this: "The AL-1F5 engine actually belongs to the 52th generation fighters, it's up to you to create an airplane" (quote accuracy 27%) Impact Force program, possibly about Su -XNUMX or engines to them, you have to look and look.
Well, the meaning is that 7-10 years ago, they said that it would go like this. And somewhere since 2015, I heard a song that it turns out that this is, as it were, not the same engine that allows you to implement the principles of a 5th generation fighter. And so it began: the first stage, from the Su-35, etc.
In short, it turns out, whether we have a high standard from the whole world, or will we get a full-fledged and serial fighter of the 5th generation in 2028? Is this after Turkey and South Korea, or what? We are too honest with this world, the Americans said that the F-35 is the fifth generation, they said! Their press is circulating rumors that the F-35 can or cannot fly in supersonic mode without afterburner or not? I doubt. Anyway...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

In short, it turns out, whether we have a high standard from the whole world, or will we get a full-fledged and serial fighter of the 5th generation in 2028?

Yes, there is enough AL-41 F1 for the eyes. The Chinese have enough of the AL-31. The point is different. Financing. How much money did design bureaus and factories receive for this product 117 !!! We rearmed ourselves, mastered new technologies, new coatings for turbine blades (and equipment for this) ... Well, we wouldn't have gotten anything if it weren't for this topic! This is a serious technological advance. Which is already there and is working. This means that the money was not wasted in vain.

[silver_roman]

the problem is that we do not need a groundwork, but a technique. The good is the enemy of the best. We would have had better and more good things, otherwise you won't be able to fight with one technical touch

[vitvit123]

And in which theater of operations is it needed now? Or will it be necessary tomorrow (su57 with a second engine)?

[Edik]

Quote: vitvit123

And in which theater of operations is it needed now? Or will it be necessary tomorrow (su57 with a second engine)?

I am more than sure that under certain circumstances Su-57 would be made like hot cakes even tomorrow.

[vitvit123]

Such remarks are surprising: they are very much needed yesterday, and even in thousands ... why are they needed ..? Nobody can really say. All the tasks facing our army are being solved very worthily and with the supply of the army everything is fine .. two types of military operations: either atomic weapons or conventional ... and here and there we are doing well, with some exceptions ... I don't understand why we need Now there are thousands of armatures - what to do with them? Hundreds of sous 57 - where to send? There is nowhere to put money. Let them work to improve, slowly supply the troops, over time it will accumulate and it will be enough .. well, something like that ..

[Edik]

Quote: vitvit123

Such remarks are surprising: they are very much needed yesterday, and even in thousands ... why are they needed ..? Nobody can really say.

I can tell you! Most of the people sitting here are, let's say, old age and remember how dozens of planes went to the troops in the USSR!
But that was a different ideology and other tasks were set!
We now have a different strategy, this is a strategy of defense with little money and the inevitability of a retaliatory strike!

[vitvit123]

Judging by the way our people work in Syria, they have worked out ukrov, and in general, when looking at the troops, I have the impression that everything is fine. There are some nuances, but in general the troops and defense industry are showing very good results .. real opponents are the United States, Turkey, China (subject to enmity), all the rest are still nonsense. This, of course, does not mean that we are all "one left", but with competent command, we are doing well and D.Vova is very much respected in the world .. much more difficult, you can discuss here for a long time ..

[Edik]

Quote: vitvit123

this is the USA, Turkey, China

Everything is the same as it was under the USSR, Russia cannot be defeated with weapons, it can only be destroyed from within, which is where the West's money goes for propaganda inside Russia!

[vitvit123]

Yes, I agree.

[silver_roman]

but tell me, should you beat for the war in Donbass? and for the supply of weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so that they kill people in the Donbass, is it worth hitting? why don't they beat me? I'm talking about sponsors. And don't tell me about nuclear weapons, our leadership will definitely not use them. If there were no eggs to close the issue of Ukraine in the 14th, then even more so to use nuclear weapons. "If you want peace, prepare for war" - these great words will go parallel the whole story of human history. And when the war is on the nose (but you want peace), you buy proven equipment, and do not build an army from prototypes!

[FrankyStein]

If they do, then they won't have to send them anywhere. This is the point. A strong, numerous air wing is the main argument and indicator of military power. You can save on anything, but not on aviation.

[vitvit123]

Maybe then let's save on nuclear weapons, if you can save on anything ... in the navy ... on anything ... - that's no comment.

[victor50]

Quote: vitvit123

in which theater of operations is it needed now? Or will it be necessary tomorrow (su57 with a second engine)?

And which one needs F-22, F-35, J-20?

[vitvit123]

Are you talking to me ? How do I know where the US wants to use them ... and why is this in the context of our conversation? You are interested in what guides you in making your decisions ..? Do you live by the actions of your neighbor or by your mind? And why Russia (you) is not satisfied with the planes we have - excellent planes, no worse, but in practice in some ways even better than the ones you mentioned ...

[victor50]

Quote: vitvit123

How do I know where the US wants to use them?

Do we live in different worlds? Why didn't you stop at, say, the MiG-21? By your logic, they would be enough. I think you know what happens to states that are lagging behind technologically. I live with my mind, and you, it seems, are not realities, but propaganda, Sorry, you asked for it yourself, no one forced you to kick up at the expense of your mind.

[vitvit123]

No complaints ... so you can still remember the bow with copies .., why should I comment on all this? Once again, our aircraft, which we now have, allow us to solve all the tasks that our state faces. I hope this is understandable ... but the Americans can call anything and whatever they want, this does not mean that it is better ..

[silver_roman]

an army in peacetime is needed not to fight, but to NOT fight. I thought that this truth was already clear to everyone. If anyone did not understand what I meant in the last post: better 200 su-35 than 50 su-57. and so in everything. especially to the fleet. It is necessary to saturate technology with good proven technology, and then accept all sorts of new generations. That is why I am so glad that 2023M should be laid in 22350, and not a leader who stands fabulously.

[vitvit123]

Why are you telling me this? .. I don’t dispute it. This my opponent does not agree, you please him ...

[Archon]

Perhaps informational. Not thousands of units, but a certain number capable of showing themselves at a review and at military local actions. So it is for the development of technology.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: silver_roman

The good is the enemy of the best. We would have had better and more good, otherwise you won't be able to fight with one technical touch

If there are no such installations, there will be no forward movement. And there will be nothing really outstanding engines to do ... the Germans (ALD) make the spray installations, which makes the development of this topic very dependent. The Germans did not sell these installations to the Chinese ... But we made our own. And this is very important.

[silver_roman]

I am not talking about stopping development. We must saturate the troops with good proven technology. Thank God, in the videoconferencing, everything is more or less normal. Once I read about a US admiral (I don't remember his last name) who rearmed the US Navy, where they had huge problems. At the same time, they introduced Orly Berks, Tikanderogs, etc., and abandoned Peri. So he was guided by the principle that you need a good proven. And all of us are trying to put into service the world without any analogy. Expensive, long and ineffective in a real war. And despite how the enemies are already fucking, I admit anything.

[impostor]

mastered new technologies, new coatings on turbine blades (and equipment for this)

Judging by the sound, which in the network terrifies not only the mattresses, the covering of the shoulder blades there is far from limited

[1Alexey]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Chinese have enough of the AL-31.

If this was enough for them, they would not say that they want to buy from us the Su-57 only with the 2nd stage engine!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: 1Alexey

If this was enough for them, they would not say that they want to buy from us the Su-57 only with the 2nd stage engine!

Excuse! They need engines. Their WS-15 won't take off. That one, then another ... And their J-20 flies shamelessly on the AL-31, calling themselves the 5th generation. And our 57th on the much more advanced AL-41F1 still does not reach the 5th? Just another juggling with parameters ...

[Light]

It seems that the F-35 is able to fly without boost in supersonic for a couple of minutes. But the trick is that at supersonic it has a high probability of destruction of the tail section, so they simply introduced a restriction on it. Well, the penguin's engine is not without jambs, such as premature degradation of the blade cover, which is why 15% of the released aircraft do not fly. I hope that during such a long time of testing the engine of the 2nd stage, they will find and fix all possible defects in order to drive a problem-free engine into the series.

[voyaka uh]

"F-35 can or cannot fly at supersonic without afterburner or not?" ///
---
Maybe about 600 km at 1.2 Mach without afterburner.
This is not enough, of course.
For comparison, the F-22 has 1800 km at Mach 1.6 without afterburner

[aslan balaev]

Turkish official Ismail Demir: - Russia is helping us in the creation of the 5th generation aircraft.

[Archon]

It is not excluded. But an official can express himself inaccurately. He did not say specifically what the help was.

[aslan balaev]

Quote: Archon

It is not excluded. But an official can express himself inaccurately. He did not say specifically what the help was.

Yes. He spoke about technological cooperation. I think the Turks are more interested in Russian engines of the second stage.

[Benk]

Why do they surrender to NG and all at once? Not the 90s, Komsomolsk is a well-oiled conveyor, they have proved it. So what's the point of pulling until the Christmas tree? I am more than sure that these 4 aircraft could have been handed over for acceptance even in the middle of the year.

[Hexenmeister]

Or maybe they are waiting for the results of the latest tests in order to make changes and carry out the final acceptance flights at the plant?

[Shahno]

May be. I would be glad if so. But something tells me. The solutions are in the stage .. finalization.
Ps. By the way, you can steal the principle, you are not in the first.

[Hexenmeister]

By the way, you can steal the principle, you are not in the first.

Understood nothing, what is it about?

[maksbazhin]

Dolboezhiks came up with nonsense with a single acceptance day, a single voting day ... Because of this, narrow specialists and equipment are needed at the same time and in different places.

[Dart]

about, all that is "on the right", you even get tired of listing ... and wait .... when it turns out to be on the right again ... tired, apparently not in this life.

[askort154]

The military-industrial complex collegium announced the date of the end of the tests of the Su-57 fighter with the second stage engine

It is better to silently do and show what is ready than to predict - like weather forecasters.

[hwostatij]

Tests of the aircraft with the new engine should be completed by 2024. In general, tests with the completion of the second stage engine will last until 2026.

That is, they should end in the 24th, but will be in the 26th? Mosk broke down on this phrase.

[Vadim237]

Maybe in 2026 they will start mass production of these engines - some kind of crap is written in the article.

[silver_roman]

tests of the fighter with the new engine will be completed in 2022, stating that the end of testing the SU-57 with the second stage engine is planned for the end of 2024. In general, the tests of the aircraft with the new power plant will last until 2026.

that is, the tests end in 2022, but they will completely end in 2024, and finally in 2026, and irrevocably and certainly in 2028, probably 100% in 2030? I don’t understand the game with dates

[Piramidon]

Quote: silver_roman

I don't understand the game with dates

This is the author, apparently, "laying straws" in order to disown accusations of the incorrectness of the dates indicated by him.

[mva]

Dear author, did you fall from the moon? "The first production fighter was received in December 2020." :)
The first production fighter crashed in December 2020 before reaching its destination.

[alone]

The author remembers December 2020 .. But what happened then is unlikely many remember .. He simply did not take into account that, you have a very good memory

[mark1]

Delusional delirium - Borisov's faithful companion Yelchaninov ...

[Piramidon]

Not a word about how things are going with the second stage engine itself.

[16112014nk]

How long to wait. Move and move the change to the right. 22 years old, 24, 26 .... 28? Are they just looking at the allocated budget?

[FRoman1984]

It's a pity. Bad news.
Designed since the mid-2000s, the first flight in 2017, in 2027 - in series.
If such a timeframe, then at the moment there are unsolvable problems. For example, resource or fuel consumption.
Theoretically, the AL-41F-1 should be enough, but still, the new aircraft should have a new engine, and not another modernization of the AL-31F. There was no sense in the Su-57 then. It doesn't smell like stealth, and the Su-35S can do the same thing for less money, plus it's already in the series.

[Vadim237]

The most important thing is that this new engine must be reliable and keep a resource - and this is work and testing for more than one year, and the production of it must be established and service centers for its maintenance must be prepared.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Vadim237

The most important thing is that this new engine must be reliable and keep a resource - and this is work and testing for more than one year, and the production of it must be established and service centers for its maintenance must be prepared.

It is difficult to disagree with this. But the timing, the time. It has been in development for over 15 years, plus another 5-6 years.

[silver_roman]

It doesn't smell like stealth,

And what does it smell like then? What doesn't suit you in terms of the stealth technology of the Su-57?

[FRoman1984]

Not satisfied with a large amount of uncovered metal. You can't drive stealth on one glider geometry

[Skipper]

I looked at the comments and saw a lot of hysteria ... evil ... torn fifths and concluded that the Su-57 was built perfect and successful.

[Archon]

So the problem is that they haven't really built it. Perfect and successful can be judged when some time of operation has passed, and here they are fed breakfast. It's like in the global gaming industry, when they generate excitement, show beautiful pictures and promise all the best, and then transfer and transfer. Just why it was impossible to develop aircraft in complete secrecy, and then again, NATO aircraft are intercepted by new Russian aircraft, about which no one knows anything. And then the story begins what kind of plane it is and how good it is and how many of them are already in service in combat readiness. And because of the desire of news resources to make money on advertising, they play off every rumor about a new technique with a loud headline.

[starshina]

Tell me bluntly that there is no second stage engine at all, and telling tales for idiots about ten-year mythical tests is a mess and chaos in the aviation industry !!!

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

There is hysteria in fascington now.
From 2027, Russia will come to collect debts.
The best fighter in the world history of military aviation. The avant-garde of world aviation technologies. There is nothing to even compare.
You will see, soon there will be news about the general dismissal of soldiers from the Western Air Force.
Vivat Russia !!!!

Quote: Sahalinets

Hope this is sarcasm?

Does not look like it. It seems that such texts are written not even by trolls, but by bots!

[starshina]

Judging by how often planes fall, the collapse of the aviation industry continues !!! And our officials report great successes, but if you look at how many planes per year our aircraft plants have produced aircraft, especially the MIG company, it becomes obvious that they all firmly sit on state subsidies, and tens of thousands of workers do not understand what they are doing, most likely they just sit for time at the factories! !! Military orders from other countries fell many times and Russia slipped from second place in the sale of weapons to fourth, and after France won the tender for Rafali in Saudi Arabia, it is likely to slide down to fifth !!! And to Putin sycophants report great victories while corruption permeates the entire industry and the decline is only growing !!!

[dreamshake]

You will fall asleep while you read all your slogans and chants.

[max91]

The dates were postponed again. And in 2027 it will still be postponed until 2100. Development began in 2010, the first flight of the Su-57 with the “Product 30” engine took place on December 5, 2017. , in 2026 it will finish testing, in 2027 it can only be delivered to the troops, if the testing period is not extended. Then maybe TARK Admiral Nakhimov will go out to sea. This is what it's like to spend 27 years on an engine and that's the best case scenario. Then everyone will ride on flying saucers.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: John22

I completely agree. The tests will end in 2024, but will last until 2026. In what language?

it's easy, the basic ones will pass, and the expert ones will end in 2026.
ps it's all simple: "I bought a toy - how quickly you will announce that it is good and suitable for everyone (children, wife and yourself)", and here is a 5th generation airplane - then 6th

[Boromir1941]

that's when it bakes and then they start to move

[Igor Tikhomirov]

Quote: max91

This is what it's like to spend 27 years on an engine and that's the best case scenario. Then everyone will ride on flying saucers.

Yeah. Do you plan to change engines on previously released airplanes? Or everything is not compatible there.

[jonht]

I have a question ...
If 76 aircraft are to be delivered within the framework of the state armament program 19-27, either the delivery dates are shifted, or (more likely) this comrade is lying ...
After all, he sounds that about 25 will be with a second stage engine, which is about two years of production ...

[Tarasios]

Quote: Sahalinets

Hope this is sarcasm?

I hope he knows the meaning of this word? ;)