Israeli prime minister acknowledges air strike on Syrian port of Latakia

For the first time in a long time, Israeli authorities have claimed responsibility for an air strike on Syrian territory.

Earlier it was reported that the Israeli Air Force launched a missile attack on the territory of the port of Latakia. Recall that the base of the Russian Aerospace Forces "Khmeimim" is located in this Syrian province. The attack on a major Mediterranean port was carried out on the night of December 7. According to the latest reports, the missiles landed in the container terminal, where a fire eventually broke out.

Syrian sources said it was a commercial cargo that was destroyed by an Israeli aviation... However, according to the Israeli authorities, the target was military.

Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett confirmed the fact of the strike by the IDF air force on the Syrian port. According to him, such an operation "was directed against the forces of evil." Bennett, using expressions with outright pathos, added that "the Israeli military is ready to confront the forces of evil on a daily basis":

Our activity in this regard will not stop.

The Israeli prime minister made his statements about the attack on the territory of an independent state during a joint press conference with the head of the Greek government Kyriakos Mitsotakis and President of Cyprus Nikos Anastasiades.

Naftali Bennett:

Destructive forces receive a signal from us that we are acting constantly, relentlessly. We will lead the destruction of targets that pose a threat to our state.

At the same time, Bennett did not specify what exactly the Israeli pilots destroyed in the port of Latakia. Israeli media reported that the containers could contain weapons that were supplied in the interests of the Iranian military stationed in Syrian territory.

Earlier, the Israeli authorities and command preferred not to comment on reports of air strikes in Syria.

Comments

[Sidor the Fierce]

So Assad did not ask Putin to protect Syria from Israel, the agreements were about the EMNIP terrorists.

[poquello]

still did not understand who should go where? Your suggestions

[lelik613]

Sell ​​one medium-range missile to Assad.

[isv000]

Quote: lelik613

Sell ​​one medium-range missile to Assad.

Give! A dozen!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: paul3390

Give! A dozen!

However, you are our generous!
Didn't you try to calculate the consequences?

[poquello]

Quote: lelik613

Sell ​​one medium-range missile to Assad.

taak, SD rockets are 1000-5000 km, from Damascus to Tel Aviv 210 km,) and what are you going to do with her for Assad to do?

[Vikxnumx]

I jumped across Moscow!

[lelik613]

And before the reactor in Dimona?

[poquello]

Quote: lelik613

And before the reactor in Dimona?

300 km, you can not see for yourself?

[Serge-667]

So where is the air defense, missile defense videoconferencing?
I did not understand. Where are the S-300, S-400, S-500?
Or are the port and terminal not included in the list of protection of strategic logistics facilities of the videoconferencing system?

[Volzhanin64]

I don’t understand that ours overslept the air strike there, or corrected partners so that they would not be hit. How long it is already possible to shake the air menacingly and not do anything. Let the blow be dealt to Iranian targets too.

[paul3390]

The question is complex. Covering Iran seriously - we still need to think. Ayatollahs are not a fig for us, and in Syria they pursue their own goals that do not completely coincide with ours. So - maybe it's not so bad that Izrailovka periodically thinns them out. Not as if you don't gain strength, then you pick them out of these edges ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: paul3390

Covering Iran seriously - we still need to think.

And what is there to think about? Iran is one of the countries of the Caspian region. Iran borders on the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation, Iran and Turkey are holding joint negotiations and making statements on the Syrian issue ... Iran asks the Russian Federation to supply air defense systems ... Iran is interested in cooperation with the Russian Federation on nuclear energy issues ...

Quote: paul3390

So maybe it's not so bad that Izrailovka periodically thinns them out.

And what do you think, one country has the right to independently decide whom to execute and whom to have mercy?

[Edik]

Yuri Vasilyevich, what are you worried about Iran? Take a closer look, your memory does not create any associations?

[alystan]

Here you have posted a photo, so explain why the people gathered ?!
They gather like this on every occasion, and if the reason is Israel or the United States, then what is it strange that they express their anger or protest in this way?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: alystan

Is this how they express their anger or protest?

No, just zigging.

Honoring the memory of their friend.

[alystan]

But you have completely different photos, don't you?
And in the photo with Adolf sits still not an Iranian, such headdresses are more likely to be worn by the clergy of Lebanon. I may be wrong, but since you attributed that they are honoring the memory of their friend, you could clarify who it is in the bottom photo.
And if, in your opinion, they are zigging, then accuse Iran of stealing the swastika from Hitler.
Update:
Still, I turned out to be closer to the truth than you: "In Germany they refused to recognize Uncle Yasser Arafat as the creator of the Holocaust idea" (https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2015/10/21/v-germanii-otkazalis-priznavat -dyadyu-yasira-arafata-tvorcom-idei-holokosta)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: alystan

who is it in the bottom photo.

Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, leader of the Arab Nazis. The idol of all fighters for the "liberation of Jerusalem from the Jews."
Including Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah and the IRGC.
They revere Hitler quite openly and distribute Mein Kampf among young people as an educational tool.
It's just that in your media this fact is bashfully "forgotten" to mention.

[alystan]

Thank you, I also found all the information about him.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

Yuri Vasilievich, what are you worried about Iran? Look closely, your memory does not create any associations?

I am not worried about Iran, but for Russia, to which (at whose whim) the share fell, to rake up all the impurities and then turn out to be guilty of all the troubles.
You can’t live with neighbors in "contra."
As for the photos, I have them:

By the way, I really like Israeli dates ... And small peppers (paprika) are very fragrant ... And tangerines are sweet, like in childhood ...

[Edik]

Yuri Vasilyevich I, too, will not believe it!
And the guards of the Islamic revolution there are by no means defending our interests, but their influence; they are radical nationalists, and we don’t need revolutions. Who do you feel sorry for, the Israelis or the Iranians? their war, we have nothing to do with it ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ROSS 42

As for the photos, I have them:

Average fake photo, staging. There are no helmets and unloading, which, in principle, is not conceivable for IDF soldiers during any operational actions and some kind of parrot mask, IDF uses black ones.

And countless others ...

[don-1500]

We brought up the defenders, on their own heads. And most importantly, with what delightful zeal "the brothers work"

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: don-1500

We brought up the defenders, on their own heads. And most importantly, with what delightful zeal "the brothers work"

with the difference that the Arabs are strangers to us, and your "defenders" beat their own people.

[Fedor M]

They beat a little, you need more to knock the crap out of your head

[DED_peer_DED]

In.
I notice related topics.
Who lived there in a communal apartment next door?
Can you tell me the relationship?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: ROSS 42

By the way, I really like Israeli dates ... And small peppers (paprika) are very fragrant ... And tangerines are sweet, like in childhood ...

But the taste is the same everywhere.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

But the taste is the same everywhere.

Because he is one for everyone.
Except for North Korea and partly Cuba.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Because he is one for everyone.

Yes, but the aftertaste is different and very strong.
In the photo, it looks the same.
But in the first photo, when the soldiers are leading him, he is still lucky.
It's only in 3 days
8 December... In Jerusalem, near the Sheikh Jarah district, an Arab woman of about 15 years old stabbed a woman walking with her children in the back. The attacker fled and was later detained at a school near the crime scene.
on December 6rd. Car terrorist attack in Samaria, at the Tehenim checkpoint. The guard is injured. The driver was shot.
on December 4rd. An attack near the Shechem Gate in the Old City of Jerusalem. An Israeli is wounded.

The photos that I have given do not leave the same aftertaste.
The taste is completely different there.

[lelik613]

Looking at Eretz Yisroel, one sees a democratic Third Reich. And what would that mean?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: lelik613

is seen

You never know who sees something.
It makes no sense to react to other people's conjectures.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: lelik613

And what would it mean?

The same as this

Looking at THIS one sees a straw in someone else's eye.

[Mars231]

Quote: lelik613

Looking at Eretz Yisroel, one sees a democratic Third Reich. And what would that mean?

Yes, in the "Moscow principality" is now also visible democratic 37th year ... Don't you think?

[paul3390]

And what do you think, one country has the right to independently decide whom to execute and whom to have mercy?

Let them understand their own graters. Iran is by no means a defenseless sheep, so that we cover up its interests.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: paul3390

Let them understand their own graters. Iran is by no means a defenseless sheep, so that we cover up its interests.

More than...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: paul3390

Iran is by no means a defenseless lamb

But there are very many chances that they will be tonsured.

[Voltsky]

that the Syrians, that the Persians, that the Poles, that the Armenians and others; if something happens, they will gladly stab you in the back with a loss of attentiveness and if they cease to be afraid of you.

[Roman_vh]

These Jews will do the same, but for money.
And about the news. All would be nothing, only from Jewish tricks, our military died (IL). Yes, the club-handed Syrians also took part, but half of the responsibility lies with the Jewish tankers.

[Iris]

Our military (Il) died nirazu not from Jewish tricks.
They died because the commanders of the operation not warned about the plane, neither the hawk-handed Syrians nor the Israelis, violating, by the way, the regime of Mutual coordination of hostilities.
So I ask you not to deprive our command of its share of responsibility.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

but half of the responsibility lies with Jewish tankmen.

ALL responsibility for the mediocre flight management in Khmeimim. Some of the generals wanted to curry favor by copying the signatures of Israeli radars, and he ordered to drive the unfortunate IL into the air battle zone, into the line of fire... It's like sending a soldier to sweep the floor in the shooting range, between the shooters and targets, while shooting.
At the time of the Israeli strike, the IL was more than a couple of hundred kilometers away, in another sector, to the side where nothing threatened it.
But for some reason they drove him towards the Israeli fighters, knowing full well that they were taking him into the line of fire of the Syrian air defenses.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ROSS 42

And what do you think, one country has the right to independently decide whom to execute and whom to have mercy?

What makes you think that this is an execution? You may still feel sorry for the Nazis, like that Kolya. Syria refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel at the beginning of 2000, chose to develop the conflict, for which it is now eating guano with a full spoon.

[alystan]

Does it mean that we have friends, or don't we have them, except for "colleagues" and "partners"?
So the goals coincide with the Turks and especially with the Americans?
And with the Jews too, since we sit in silence and observe such chaos on their part?

[raw174]

Quote: paul3390

Covering Iran seriously - we still need to think

You are interesting people ... Israel bombed the port in SYRIA, under the nose of our base, and you are here discussing whether it is worth defending IRAN.
In general, lately it seems to me that with its strikes on the SAR, Israel is probing our air defense system, because all our current systems are working there.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: raw174

Israel is probing our air defense system, because all our current systems are working there.

Israel is fighting the Syrian air defense system, not ours. And the SAR has our proxy air defense systems - export, and not our BATTLE, guarding the airspace over HMEIMIM. Surely there is an IZOI with the Syrians. And how they "shoot" was shown by the incident with our Il-20.
If our base were the target, we would probably answer, because after the missiles are launched, there is a tie-up of routes and it becomes clear where they are aimed.

[raw174]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Israel is fighting the Syrian air defense system, not ours.

I am not an expert in the field of air defense systems in general and radars in particular, but everyone immediately writes that every time Israel raids an ATS, our air defense calculations analyze their tactics, signatures of forces and assets in different ranges, etc. , and you say that ours do not interact ...

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

If our base were the target, we would surely answer

I really hope ...

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

because after the launch of the missiles, there is a tie-up of routes and it becomes clear where they are aimed.

If we fix this in a timely manner, there is a distance and time that allows us to react.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: raw174

and you say that ours do not interact ...

Didn't you read the post at all !?
I wrote "Russian and white":

For sure goes IZOI with the Syrians.

- abbreviation IZOI stands for "MUTUAL EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION", however!
... But you (as a child ) is forgiven, because you honestly admitted that you

not an expert in the field of air defense systems in general and radar in particular ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: raw174

Israel is probing our air defense system,

What is there to feel? Everything has long been felt like a station girl. As a result, there are necessary devices to create ghosts on the screens of Syrian radars. They hit empty space with rockets, and then proudly declare how many missiles they shot down, and often this number is more than the Israeli ones.

[Momento]

the strengthening of Iran in Syria does not play into the hands of Russia. any problems are relatively easy to resolve with the Syrians, but it is much more difficult to come to an agreement with Iran.

[businessv]

Quote: paul3390

Covering Iran seriously - we still need to think.

there is no need to think about it, we would have to think about how to cover Syria so that it would be impossible to bomb whoever wants it.

[vervolk]

I do not understand yours who is this? Iranians or what? If ours are all so Russians, then tell us from some such rotten cabbage soup we have to drop some Iranian cargoes if Iran wants to steal from us influence in the sphere of our interests in Syria? In my opinion, everything turned out very well (quite by accident, of course), this boundless and uncontrollable Israel struck a blow at our temporary ally, who have recently become too independent. Of course, we have nothing to do with it, and maybe we didn’t even leaked this information to them. everything is clear here. only your shaking of air and regrets are incomprehensible.

[donavi49]

There, on the other side of the port, there is this, and next to it, someone from the permanent connection is resting and restocking.

Or did they immediately realize that the missiles were flying into an Iranian container in the same port? In fact, it is as if they banged on Khmeimim on an Iranian container on the territory. Or is this the next stage?

[poquello]

Quote: donavi49

Or did they immediately realize that the missiles were flying into an Iranian container in the same port?

IMHO they understood this even before the appearance of airplanes

[vervolk]

these facts can be interpreted in two ways. one as you prefer to interpret you, Israel's missiles are irresistible and no one had time to notice and react.
the second, the Iranian cargo was drained.
why do you think that your version has more rights to exist?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: donavi49

Or did they immediately realize that the missiles were flying into an Iranian container in the same port?

They realized this over the phone, before the raid, when they decided to share information about the Iranian cargo. And perhaps the desired container was also marked with an IR beacon.

[Shahno]

This is a question ... The container was probably important, that as many as a dozen neighboring in the trash.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: donavi49

Or did they immediately realize that the missiles were flying into an Iranian container in the same port?

Let's take a closer look at the placement of the Port and the Russian naval base:
1. This is the port of Tartus.

2. This is vmb Tartus (RF)

2.1 He is in more detail on the piers:

2.2 and this is their relative position:

In my opinion, it is not difficult to determine the SVN parameter: the RC flew past. So why stop them from wasting their expensive missiles for other purposes?
IMHO.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is the port of Tartous

the blow was on Latakia

[Boa kaa]

Quote: andreykolesov123

the blow was on Latakia

But the photos of the boats were stuck from Tartus ...
And they began to stir up trouble about the fleet. However, having received a naval base for 49 years, the Russian fleet in other places "does not clump together." And this is slander!
If the conversation was about the videoconferencing, I would not interfere. Sorry.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But photos of boats were stuck from Tartus

Here, many Russian experts on BV Lebanon confuse Libya with Libya, and they do not even suspect about the intricacies of ports in Latakia and Tartus. So everything is OK.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: andreykolesov123

So everything is OK.

thank you, reassured ...

[1976AG]

And who shakes the air menacingly?

[SSR]

Quote: Volzhanin64

How long it is already possible to shake the air menacingly and not do anything. Yes, let the blow be dealt to Iranian targets as well.

The forces of good timing precisely to strike at the forces of evil. Just when Joe's negotiations with VVP are on the agenda, and the sacrificial ram is roasted ukrain.
The forces of the Dobr scavenge time and place.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Volzhanin64

I don’t understand that ours slept through the air strike there, or corrected partners so that they would not be hit.

The second option.

Quote: Volzhanin64

How long can you shake the air menacingly?

Duc seems to have stopped already. Bennett and Putin snatched whiskey from Putin at the dacha (this is not a joke), and the topic was removed from the agenda.

[sustav75]

Putin will respond cruelly to the Jews, only after a missile strike on the suburbs of Moscow! And that's not a fact ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: sustav75

Putin will respond cruelly to the Jews, only after a missile strike on the suburbs of Moscow! And that's not a fact ...

They will not reach Moscow, as they always will win back in Voronezh,

[raw174]

Quote: Volzhanin64

I don't understand, but what ours slept in the air strike there,

In my opinion, the Americans are not fools, their F - 35, which the Israelis use, is actually capable of striking targets while remaining invisible to air defense.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Volzhanin64

How long it is already possible to shake the air menacingly and not do anything.

The most formidable shaking of the air occurs at the AO. Officials don't NO statements, even about the downed missiles are no longer reported.
On December 12, Lavrov arrives in Israel, and will probably bring maps of what Iranian objects still need to be destroyed.
Russia, Iran in Syria does not need very much, many problems will be solved if Iran is not there.

[FrankyStein]

I bet if Iran succeeds, the strikes continue.

[ultra]

Without options, Israel's goal is the Raeval of Syria and, accordingly, the removal of the issue of the Golan Heights.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ultra

removing the question of the Golan Heights

For Israel, there is no "question about the Golan Heights," just as there is no "question about the Kuriles" or "question about the Crimea" for Russia.
There are Syrian / Japanese / Ukrainian Wishlist, but these are their personal sexual difficulties.
What did Putin say there? "From a dead donkey's ears" and "The question is closed completely."
So the "question on the Golan Heights" was removed more than 40 years ago.

[FrankyStein]

There are no mythical Iranian objects there. If they existed, Israel would fly. The attacks are directed against Syria as pressure.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: FrankyStein

There are no mythical Iranian objects there. If they existed, Israel would fly. The attacks are directed against Syria as pressure.

MOSCOW, 1 July. / Tass /.
The presidents of Russia, Iran and Turkey made a joint statement on Syria.
The Israeli Air Force regularly attacks in Syria bases of pro-Iranian Shiite formations ... Israeli Air Force planes strike at bases of pro-Iranian Shiite formations in the province of Deir ez-Zor in the east of the country.

Russian leader Vladimir Putin said that the situation in the area "must be brought into full compliance with the 1974 agreement." However, this requires for Iran to stop playing an active role in Syria.
According to the Russian president, this "will allow the return of calm to the Golan and reliably ensure the security of the State of Israel" and could return the situation to the status quo that existed in this border zone before the outbreak of the conflict in the Middle East.

As you lead, the Russian president does not agree with you.

[unhappy]

You need to think with your head and not watch TV. Russia did not defend Armenia, does not defend Syria from Israel! And why should she protect Pashinyan and the company (people of Soros, and this app hates our country). In Syria, Iranian proxies are trying to increase their influence, in fact crowding out the influence of Russia and we do not mind if Israel kicks them (well, of course, we will express our concern).

[ultra]

And who attacked Armenia?

[unhappy]

Oh, sorry, Turkey gave the wunderwafl to Azerbaijan and she attacked Karabakh, but Armenia is not in business here, yeah

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: unhappy

You need to think with your head and not watch TV. Russia did not defend Armenia, does not defend Syria from Israel!

I understand correctly?
Is this FrankyStein's answer?
Since I agree with you.

[unhappy]

Who is this? I do not delve into who "loves" whom on the site.

[sergo1914]

Airstrike on containers ... Epic.

[Andred72]

What to comment on, again a cunning plan of GDP, and even then they wipe their feet less often on the rug than on Russia ...

[vervolk]

the plan is not particularly tricky. give hands to one allies with the hands of others. it is a pity that for you such simple things are beyond the scope of the thinking apparatus

[Shahno]

And what was there in this container .... That it worked exactly. Moreover, they said.

[Fungus]

Photos appeared. You bombed containers with clothes and food ...

[Shahno]

I already thought when these containers with clothes will be shown. And so. Here they can even issue an invoice.

[Shahno]

There, if anything, several fighters fired back ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Shahno

There, if anything, several fighters fired back ...

Yes, even all the Air Force at once! You better tell me, your rockets have a "nose like a dog, and an eye like an eagle"? (c) In the footsteps of the Bremen Town Musicians.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Fungus

Photos appeared. You bombed containers with clothes and food ...

No . Nothing could be left anywhere that was not burnt. And the sounds of explosions after a fire are clearly not from bursting chips.

[sabakina]

Aron, if there are a lot of chips, then it may well. By the way, have you ever set the chips on fire?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sabakina

Aron, if there are a lot of chips, then it may well. By the way, have you ever set the chips on fire?

It seems not.

[sabakina]

Aron, what do you mean "like not"? I still remember how, as a child, I almost drowned on a makeshift raft. I also remember catching tadpoles in a pond at the age of three. What kind of people are you?

[Shahno]

I don’t know, at the age of five I set fire to the kindergarten with poplar fluff ...

[Iris]

And how, well?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sabakina

Aron, what do you mean "like not"? I still remember how, as a child, I almost drowned on a makeshift raft. I also remember catching tadpoles in a pond at the age of three. What kind of people are you?

You’ll be surprised, but I don’t remember chips in my childhood. Volgograd was not the best city in terms of food choice

[poquello]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

You’ll be surprised, but I don’t remember chips in my childhood. Volgograd was not the best city in terms of food choice

fried potatoes Moscow, that is, crispy potatoes in slices Moscow

[Iris]

And the truth is - the clothes are burning brightly! Yes, even loudly

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Fungus

Photos appeared. You bombed containers with clothes and food ..

There "food and coffee" such epic fireworks were staged with secondary explosions that not every armory can be compared.

[Iris]

Peculiarities of national cuisine

[Normann]

Israel is a small country with huge ambitions, everything is allowed on its territory (the entire Middle East), it's just that they were besieged not so long ago, and this is the result ...

[Asad]

Please remind me who and how they besieged?

[Normann]

Remembering the Reich is not comme il faut, but since you don't remember ...

[Asad]

Actually, a conversation about the state of Israel.

[Shahno]

Well, at BV Israel to besiege is your dream. They negotiate with the strong. And Turkey and the UAE.

[Rurikovich]

According to him, such an operation "was directed against the forces of evil"

Wow !!!! Apparently the Creator himself nodded his head to those chosen by God ...

Bennett, using expressions with outright pathos, added that "the Israeli military is ready to confront the forces of evil on a daily basis."

I believe that at these words, the faces surrounding the Israeli Prime Minister immediately closed their eyes from the divine radiance of the halo that surrounded the speaker's face ...

At the same time, Bennett did not specify what exactly the Israeli pilots destroyed in the port of Latakia.

we know, but we will not tell you, because it is secret ... I've already heard something like this somewhere

Israeli media reports that the containers could contain weapons

Here the key word COULD. It is from the same list of Western media as "probably", "we believe", "most likely", etc.
And since

Syrian sources said it was a commercial cargo

then, in my purely personal opinion, there is banal pressure on Russia in order to probe the response, if you hit the checkpoint of the Russian base almost at the gate

[Asad]

I think that Iran is not too enthusiastic about the presence of Russia in Syria. Some compromises.

[Raphael]

Into a puddle, from start to finish.

[Kesha1980]

Wow !!!! Apparently the Creator himself nodded his head to those chosen by God ...

Interestingly, and the self-designation of any nation "chosen by God" is megalomania (from the point of view of psychiatry), or racism and inciting ethnic hatred at the expense of belittling the rest of the "Bydlyan tribes"?

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Kesha1980

this is megalomania

Maybe

Like Jupiter is allowed, bull is not allowed
for

Quote: Kesha1980

racism and inciting interethnic hatred by belittling the rest of the "Bydlyan tribes"

in this case, another ...
in the same place Bennett spoke pompously .... So the "call" was .... "from there" And this is a clinic motivated by megalomania

[Flooding]

Quote: Rurikovich

what is allowed to Jupiter, not allowed to the bull

reminded

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Kesha1980

self-designation of any nation "chosen by God" is

The cliché is the same as the "God-bearing people".
Over the 30 years of my life in Israel, I heard this only a couple of times, and then in the framework of acquaintance with the Torah.
Along the way, for you the Jews are more "chosen by God" than for the Jews themselves.

[Kesha1980]

The God-chosen people is a name that refers to the Jewish people during the time of their fulfillment of a special religious and spiritual mission: to be the keeper of true faith in the One God (Genesis 12: 1-3; Exodus 19: 5-6; Is.43: 21).

PS I am extremely happy for you, but the spiritual "boob" is given only to the "chosen ones").
Nothing personal, for me all people are equal.
Any nation that sticks out its nose should get it in the nose! If there is a desire to prove the opposite - "walk" to the Prosecutor's Office. Ichthyander.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Kesha1980

Interestingly, and the self-designation of any nation "chosen by God" is megalomania (from the point of view of psychiatry), or racism and inciting ethnic hatred at the expense of belittling the rest of the "Bydlyan tribes"?

And the self-name of God-bearers?

[Kesha1980]

God-bearer (godonos, godonosha; Old Greek - Θεοφόρος) is a person who carries God in himself, directly expresses the idea of ​​God and fulfills a great religious mission. Earlier in Russia, those believers who wear icons on Holy Week and in processions of the cross, or who collect alms for a church with an icon on their chest, were also called God-bearers.
Jealousy and claims in relation to "wearing icons on their chest"? Get jealous and pretend. Or collect alms. The Orthodox are not "special" - they will allow you, for everything is God's creature.

[Iris]

Debates on religious topics are slippery and delicate because of the danger of causing unacceptable mental harm to apologists.
Therefore, let us not have an argument, but a discussion, during which I will share my subjective opinion.

So: with mine, Orthodox, from the point of view for true monotheism, the very term "god-bearer", together with its derivatives, is blasphemy, returning people to the times of paganism and jumping over fire.

[Kesha1980]

Acceptance of any nation / nationality / community of citizens as special / namely, that exclusive / chosen by God - is the belittling of other nationalities, citizens, etc. There is "separation of the wheat from the chaff".
Grains to life, but nothing to the furnace. This is already crap.

[Iris]

Especially for you, I am citing a quote from Herman Wuk, about whom I heard that he covers this issue, and an excerpt from whose book I managed to find.

"What is the aspect of the Jews' 'chosenness'? Does it not exist only in their own imagination? If so, then they are no different from the very numerous groups of people scattered around the world - from the diverse inhabitants of Boston, Moscow, Paris, Buenos Aires, that is, from those unsympathetic people who are in the blissful faith that their way of life is the best way of life and that they are the best people on earth. widespread misconception, and there is nothing more to talk about.

But it is precisely in the sacred Torah that the Jews are called the "chosen people" hundreds of times. This theme - the theme of the "chosenness" of the Jews - runs like a red thread throughout the Holy Scriptures. In Genesis (12), Gd tells Abraham that He will make his posterity a great nation in which all earthly tribes will be blessed. In the book of Exodus (19) it is said about the Jews that they will become a nation of priests and a holy people. In the book of the prophet Isaiah (51) there are words that the Jews will become a beacon for other nations. Many more quotes on this topic can be found in a book that most Western peoples in one sense or another consider a book dictated by the Lord Gd himself. Christianity has adopted this view of the Jews. An important principle of Christian doctrine, as I understand it, is that Jesus Christ expanded the circle of the “chosen ones” in order to include all those who believe in his Divine origin and follow his teachings. For this reason, Christians have adopted the name of the church - "New Israel". Christianity added one important point to Jewish teaching; people who do not join the new faith run the risk of being damned forever and without hope of salvation.

However, this not very humane idea - the idea of ​​saving only one group of people - has never been a symbol of the Jewish faith, and now it is not. According to the teachings of Judaism, righteous behavior is the only path to eternal salvation, and this path is open to both Jews and non-Jews.

The Jewish faith does not even pretend that it was the Jews who "discovered" monotheism. According to the first book of the Bible, worship of one Gd existed in the time of Abraham. This was - and remains to this day - the universal ethical teaching of thinking people. Our tradition calls it the law of the children of Noah, based on seven great principles:

• worship of Gd;

• condemnation of the murder;

• condemnation of theft;

• condemnation of adultery and debauchery;

• condemnation of eating "parts of the living body", that is, cruelty towards animals;

• condemnation of blasphemy;

• fairness, that is, the establishment of courts, the appointment of judges and a system of human equality before the law.

Nations and individuals who live in accordance with these principles are, according to the Talmud, righteous peoples and righteous people. Our faith recognizes that non-Jewish people may well attain - and have at times achieved - heights of divinity that few mortals can. The Jews have no doubt that these people after death were awarded eternal bliss. So, according to our legends, Job was one of the righteous people on earth, and yet he was not a Jew.

What is the “chosenness” of the people of Israel? He remains, as the Torah says, the offspring of Abraham, called to observe special laws and carry out a special mission in the service of the Lord Gd. These laws are the laws of the Torah, designed to weld the sons and daughters of Israel into one nation. The mission is to live according to the law of Gd, and partly to preserve in the world, along with the national destiny, the knowledge of Gd and love for Him.

Over the generations since the Exodus, many non-Jews have accepted this burden and converted to the Jewish faith. The Torah tells of thousands of people who, inspired by Moses, accepted his law and left Egypt with the people of Israel. Judaism has never tried to save the souls of people by converting them to their faith. Judaism teaches that salvation and eternal bliss depends on how a person behaves in the face of Gd, and not on whether he observes or does not observe certain rites that are obligatory for the tribe of Abraham. Being a Jew who observes all of the Jewish ritual is quite difficult. Everyone knows this, and therefore few seek to convert to Judaism, although this path is open to any man and any woman. "

Herman Vuk, "This is my God."

[Kesha1980]

I am Orthodox baptized, but not churched. I think that religious insults are very disgusting for one side and painful for the other. Remember the criminal liability for insulting the feelings of believers and analyze the passage that you posted, namely

. Christianity added one important point to the Jewish teaching; people who do not join the new faith run the risk of being damned forever and without hope of salvation.

After that, think, apologists of other religions "nice to be damned if they are not Christians"? There is no need to "give birth" to a problem. Be respectful of others and law-abiding. And then the "victims" will start complaining about Christians.

[Iris]

There is certainly no intentional insult here, there is a personal opinion of the author about the dogma of the Christian faith. The speech in the passage is, in fact, about "chosenness" - the topic of our discussion - and the author only touches the difference between the dogmas of Judaism and Christianity.

If we talk about this dogma of Christianity separately, then, in a historical perspective - primarily in relation to the Western branch of Christianity - the author is right, despite the need for some clarifications.
Another thing is that today this very dogma has lost its force in Christianity as a whole, in all its branches, without exception, and this happened officially. I think, therefore, that the passage I quoted as an insult will not be perceived by anyone.

[Kesha1980]

Yes, it is clear that you are not planning to offend anyone. It's just that the modern approach to the concept of "believers' feelings" has become so subtle that it reaches the point of complete absurdity. Do you know this expression “You don’t have a cross!”? It denotes an inhuman, godless person - some negative traits of morality. But! Now, if so to speak / write to a non-Christian believer - just an article. Such a madhouse. This is the "selyavi". Likewise - "Christ is your judge." Non-Christians have the right to write a statement and after all, let's sit down, damn it. This is the modern world.

[Iris]

Yes, I agree - this topic has become like thin ice.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Iris

because of the danger of causing unacceptable mental harm to apologists.

The fact that common sense causes cognitive dissonance in some is not a reason to adjust to it.

Quote: Iris

let us not have an argument, but a discussion

From personal experience, discussion of religion with believers very quickly develops into casuistry or outright demagoguery.
With different points of support for the construction of thinking, when one side operates with logic and facts, and the other with faith, a constructive dialogue is, in principle, impossible.
And it would seem, and to hell with him, everyone is free to believe in what he wants, his right, you can simply limit communication with everyday issues ... but.
There always comes a moment when believers have little faith in themselves, they need to force believe the rest.
Any religion, having seized power, very quickly turns into a totalitarian tyranny. And history has not seen any exceptions to this pattern.
And I do not see a sensible solution to this problem.

[Iris]

Difficult discussion topic. I agree with you in some respects, I would argue in some respects.

[don-1500]

I am not going to defend the "chosen of God" at all, but my version is this. Their religion was born during the times of the Egyptian pyramids, and the smartest of them possessed some kind of secret, a secret that is now inaccessible to us, and to ordinary Jews too. Only advanced rabbis know something and smile slyly, calling themselves and their people "God's chosen ones."

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: don-1500

Only advanced rabbis know something and smile slyly, calling themselves and their people "God's chosen ones."

The choice of the Jews lies in the fact that Gd imposed on them the fulfillment of 613 commandments, while non-Jews must keep only seven. In everyday life, this so-called exclusivity does not give any advantages.

[Roman_vh]

Have you imposed it?
Then I see they are out of breath to drag them through life. :)))

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Roman_VH

Have you imposed it?
Then I see they are out of breath to drag them through life. :)))

Who is it easy for now? (I agree, funny error came out)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Quote: don-1500

Only advanced rabbis know something and smile slyly, calling themselves and their people "God's chosen ones."

The choice of the Jews lies in the fact that Gd imposed on them the fulfillment of 613 commandments, while non-Jews must keep only seven. In everyday life, this so-called exclusivity does not give any advantages.

Gives. Less sekas and no seafood

[Iris]

Interestingly, and the self-name of any nation "chosen by God" is megalomania ..?

Surprisingly, when dealing with Israelis, I never I didn’t have a chance to hear about God's Chosen ..
At the same time, the forum does not none articles about Israel, in the comments to which the notorious "God's chosenness would not have been chewed anyway. It seems that VO knows something that the Jews themselves are not aware of.

[Kesha1980]

The very concept of the chosenness of the Jewish people was first voiced about 1300 BC (500 years after the time of Abraham) on Mount Sinai by Moses, who conveyed the words of God: “So speak to the House of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel ... If you will obey Me and to keep my covenant, then you will be chosen by me out of all nations ”(Exodus, chapter 19: 3-6). It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/other/38161178/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

Questions? The meaning of asking questions? Or have we all and always mis-translated the Old Testament?

[Iris]

I have not been to the synagogue - I don’t know what they say there. And in everyday life, as I said, I have never heard this.

[ultra]

And I have.

[Roman1970_1]

Interestingly, and the self-designation of any nation "chosen by God" is megalomania (from the point of view of psychiatry), or racism and inciting ethnic hatred at the expense of belittling the rest of the "Bydlyan tribes"?

If you read the scriptures, you will find out that God sent angels to all nations with commandments and an offer to serve Him. And the peoples asked what should be done and received the answer that not to steal, not to kill, etc., and to carry these commandments to other nations. But everyone refused for various reasons, and only the Jews did not ask what this word of God was, but said "let's do it and listen." That is, at first they accepted, and then they listened to what they accepted and God chose them. Therefore, God's chosen people

[Ross xnumx]

Earlier, the Israeli authorities and command preferred not to comment on reports of air strikes in Syria.

Well, you fucking give !!!
(Israeli authorities):
We're bombing the port tonight
We're bombing the port tonight
We are bombing the port today ...
(Users "VO"):
We sit with our mouths open.
We stand with our mouths open.
We lie with our mouths open ...
==========
This has never happened, and here it is again! ©

[vervolk]

(user ros42)
I'll throw you a question!
I'll throw you a question!
I'll throw you a question!
(VO users)
the nose is not yet matured
the nose is not yet matured
the nose is not yet matured
++++++++++++++++++++++
I wanted the best, but it turned out as always (c)

[ximkim]

Next time, an airstrike will be applied to the potatoes.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ximkim

Next time, an airstrike will be applied to the potatoes.

That you sho, how can you?
Chyk-Chyryk will have enough blow.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ROSS 42

Earlier, the Israeli authorities and command preferred not to comment on reports of air strikes in Syria.

Well, you fucking give !!!
(Israeli authorities):
We're bombing the port tonight
We're bombing the port tonight
We are bombing the port today ...
(Users "VO"):
We sit with our mouths open.
We stand with our mouths open.
We lie with our mouths open ...
==========
This has never happened, and here it is again! ©

Tel Aviv applauds

[Voltsky]

that the Jews somehow know a lot about what Iran is doing

[sabakina]

Quote: Voletsky

that the Jews somehow know a lot about what Iran is doing

A very old song about spies ...

[Shahno]

Quote: Voletsky

that the Jews somehow know a lot about what Iran is doing

Well, they are working ... But what, you need to find out when it falls on your head?

[sabakina]

What will fall? Clothes container?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: sabakina

Clothes container?

There was a strategic commodity

[Center]

[tihonmarine]

We will lead the destruction of targets that pose a threat to our state.

The Israelis can destroy any "threat to the state", but Russia cannot, and then it is accused and sanctions are imposed, for what it did not do.
Or maybe, if they "fuck up", they will stop screaming?

[Nazar]

tihonmarine (Vlad) - As for "fucking" - remember the anecdote in which Lavrov and Shoigu are discussing where they can "bang" and come to a conclusion. that you can only fuck around Voronezh because "ours are not there"

[poquello]

Quote: Nazar

tihonmarine (Vlad) - As for "fucking" - remember the anecdote in which Lavrov and Shoigu are discussing where they can "bang" and come to a conclusion. that you can only fuck around Voronezh because "ours are not there"

okay, yours are not there

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

but Russia cannot,

You from Estonia do not decide for Russia.
By the way, how has Estonia not yet joined Lithuania in its war against China, or is it prudently keeping silent?

[Ros 56]

Did they warn our people in advance? How interesting.

[igor67]

Quote: Ros 56

Did they warn our people in advance? How interesting.

Lavrov arrives in Israel on December 12, talks on Syria and Iran

[Ros 56]

And sho, are they afraid to scold?

[Cosmonaft_73]

It is necessary to give an answer in Haifa!

[Raphael]

Well, give it to me, warrior

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cosmonaft_73

It is necessary to give an answer in Haifa!

Have already tried, received an answer.
They say that I did not like it very much.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Cosmonaft_73

It is necessary to give an answer in Haifa!

I tried it alone, ended badly.

[Roman_vh]

Eternally you ... Ivreev is drawn to sadism, then he imposes more than six hundred commandments on himself, then you crucify Christ.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

then crucify Christ.

It’s not us, the Roman lads and the Greeks (40% of the legionnaires in Judea), the future founders of Orthodoxy.

[Roman_vh]

And who happily supported this? Yes, and at that time there was no procurator in Judea, from the word at all. So we don't translate the arrows. :)))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

And who happily supported this? Yes, and at that time there was no procurator in Judea, from the word at all. So we don't translate the arrows. :)))

Of course, there was no - there was a prefect (as evidenced by archaeological finds in Caesarea) named Pontius Pilate, who, by the way, even before the crucifixion of Jesus, who, according to Christ in the Gospels, came only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the order to execute two pretenders for the role of the Messiah.
They were happily supported - merchants on Temple Square (they were forbidden to enter the Temple itself according to the Jewish Law, which Jesus, according to him, came to fulfill), expelled by Christ and representatives of the Temple Power with servants - Sadducees who did not recognize the oral Torah (Talmud), descendants The Iroids, who overthrew the Hasmoneans who supported Jesus a couple of generations earlier.
But. It must be admitted that Jesus Christ was popular mainly with influential oppositionists of the Temple Power, but his brother Yakov, who was really executed by the latter (the sequila is Jewish, in contrast to the crucifixion, execution, when a person is thrown off a cliff, if he is alive, thrown from her a large stone, if she is still breathing, they are stoned - and that's the only way), enjoyed the love of all the common people. During his execution, the procurator (or perfect) was really not in place, this almost led to an uprising, which was only averted thanks to an order from Rome to “dismiss” the high priest who had ordered the execution of Jacob.
To endure the main question - how do you get these Jewish-Roman showdowns?
You have a good religion, which does not teach bad, for sure you have your own Faith, but to judge ALIEN history, you need to know it first )).

[Roman_vh]

Mamadaragaya. Yes, you are a treasure trove of Jewish knowledge. I "liked" about dropping off a cliff
I also have a question, since all of you here are so "submerged" and "enlightened", why are you grazing on "goy" resources in commodity quantities? (rhetorical question, no need to answer)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

Mamadaragaya. Yes, you are a treasure trove of Jewish knowledge. I "liked" about dropping off a cliff
I also have a question, since all of you here are so "submerged" and "enlightened", why are you grazing on "goy" resources in commodity quantities? (rhetorical question, no need to answer)

That's all
"But only me and Izi have a plate" (c)
So I am ... goy you are a good fellow ... homespun is ... mishlige of the first category.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

Ivreev is drawn to sadism, then he imposes more than six hundred commandments on himself

When on oneself - this is masochism.

Quote: Roman_VH

then crucify Christ

For nefig.

[DED_peer_DED]

According to him, such an operation "was directed against the forces of evil."

Those who wait for their Satan as God speak of "evil."
The lads are annealing.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Those who wait for their Satan as God speak of "evil."
The lads are annealing.

It is you who are inciting - religious hatred.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

It is you who are inciting - religious hatred.

Eka, you're rushing ...
They re-registered as a specialist to answer :)

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Quote: andreykolesov123

It is you who are inciting - religious hatred.

Eka, you're rushing ...
They re-registered as a specialist to answer :)

??
Would you like to explain, or are we rolling the bags?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

or do we roll bags?

Under the eyes.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Quote: andreykolesov123

or do we roll bags?

Under the eyes.

understandable, but I really hoped that at least once an anti-Semite would be able to prove something. But as always ... into a puddle.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Quote: andreykolesov123

It is you who are inciting - religious hatred.

Eka, you're rushing ...
They re-registered as a specialist to answer :)

Jews do not recognize Christian books and, accordingly, your words about Jews are nothing more than propaganda of religious intolerance. I can just as well look for hard-hitting words about Christians in Jewish sources. And what will we do?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

And what will we do?

Let's go das zane.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Let's go das zane

You seem to be an admirer of this phrase in its Nazi implementation?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

You seem to be an admirer of this phrase in its Nazi implementation.

Oh, how I love you!
Admirers of the disrespectful.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Oh, how I love you!
Admirers of the disrespectful.

It's good that we "love" each other from a distance.

[DED_peer_DED]

I agree with you.
From the VNA you know everything better. Broader, better, longer, and sharper.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

I agree with you.
From the VNA you know everything better. Broader, better, longer, and sharper.

It’s more likely that you understand everything better than we do for 3000 km, what is going on in our BV. You understand everything better than we do. You are trying to teach how we should defend the country.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

You are trying to teach how we should defend the country.

This is "high treason" to teach the enemy how he should steal his country from ours.
About 3000 km, yes ... Not a flight. Prosak.
This is your free VPN buggy. Keep in mind for the future.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

teach the enemy how he should steal his country from ours.

and where did I write that from your country? We have our own showdowns with Iran, and for some reason you came from your northern distance and are trying to command someone else's war.

Quote: DED_peer_DED

About 3000 km, yes ... Not a flight. Prosak.

Well, buy yourself a globe and check how many thousand kilometers from Russia to Israel.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Well, buy yourself a globe and check how many thousand kilometers from Russia to Israel.

Checked it out. But not on the Globe.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Checked it out. But not on the Globe.

Are you leading a society of nerds? Does this number you found change the meaning of what I wrote?

[DED_peer_DED]

If I measured from border to border, then the distance would be even less.

Quote: andreykolesov123

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Checked it out. But not on the Globe.

Are you leading a society of nerds? Does this number you found change the meaning of what I wrote?

Sorry, I forgot what you and I started ...
Forum, it is so long, or something ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Sorry, I forgot what you and I started.

You apparently all started with the fact that the grass in the yard of a Jewish neighbor was greener, but later it sublimated into an "unbending anti-Israeli position."

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

but later it turned into an "unyielding anti-Israeli position."

In.
Exactly.
They hit the very point.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

They hit the very point.

LGBT propaganda?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: andreykolesov123

LGBT propaganda?

Do you know better?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Do you know better?

The phrase about the missing point is yours.

[DED_peer_DED]

21-one?
Come on...

[FrankyStein]

Look, it's interesting. Do they even exist? After all, Jesus walked the earth after those sources.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Quote: andreykolesov123

It is you who are inciting - religious hatred.

Eka, you're rushing ...
They re-registered as a specialist to answer :)

This is He about the Pharisees, and there were also the Essenes, the Saduccaeans (who handed him over to the Romans), Christians, the followers of John the Baptist, the Hasmoneans (who took him down from the cross), and many, many others

[Shahno]

Quote: sabakina

What will fall? Clothes container?

That is, you suppose there was a miscalculation.

[Adimius38]

And where is the S-400 AND PANTSIR SUPER S ??? Normally, the Russian military was literally almost shibaned about it, and this port is probably used in the interests of Russia, and the region itself is, as it were, under our patronage. Or Israel can do anything, otherwise we will be left without carrots. Although I would not be surprised that there will be no reaction even if a couple of missiles hit the Russian base.

[sustav75]

Only if the rocket flies into Kabaeva's bedroom! This is humor, if that :))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Adimius38

Although I will not be surprised that there will be no reaction even if a couple of missiles hit the Russian base.

I understand you, well, I really want to, it's not unbearable.
But as they say
DO NOT RAIN!

[vervolk]

listen to the dull, impatient person, there is a Jew and a non-Jew above the perpalka there are already two variants of the answer to the second question. but you haven't read, have you? are you too frivolous and impatient? sit now and think what to answer. I'll have to re-read it, at least to say later that the answers are not correct)

[RAM]

Whoever yapped there, the owner in the Middle East is Israel. And if there is a need, blows will be delivered to Tarta and Khmeimim.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: RAM

Whoever yapped there, the owner in the Middle East is Israel. And if there is a need, blows will be delivered to Tarta and Khmeimim.

But Russia is happy to invest billions in foreign Palestinians instead of developing its own territories.

[poquello]

Quote: andreykolesov123

But Russia is happy to invest billions in foreign Palestinians instead of developing its own territories.

we have so many territories that you are tortured to develop, it is not difficult to find dirt - if you look

but if you don't look

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: poquello

we have so many territories that you will be tortured to develop

Therefore, it is better to live on $ 300-400 ourselves, but to help some muddy countries to wage a war alien to Russia.

[poquello]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Therefore, it is better to live on $ 300-400 ourselves.

I would not say that those who live on 30tyr are starving or freezing or suffer other needs, this is true by the way, but the whole point is that Russia will help someone or not - they will still have 30tyr, well, or approximately in the general range, for "help" comes from another pocket

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: poquello

I would not say that those who live on 30tyr are starving or freezing or suffering other needs,

in the province there are doctors who receive 17 thousand. This is $ 230. In Western countries, a doctor receives at least 4-6 thousand. And a good specialist can receive 10 times more.

[ultra]

Where does the doctor get 17, address, apartment attendance?

[poquello]

Quote: andreykolesov123

there are doctors in the province who receive 17 thousand.

minimum wage 13tyr, can a nurse? for doctors on the very periphery, there is still some kind of program, such as lifting

[Adimius38]

30000 rubles = 408 $ this is my friend's poverty. Apparently I haven't gone to the store for a long time and you don't fill up with gasoline and you don't pay for housing and communal services, so it turns out I am already silent about clothes, all household appliances tied to the dollar exchange rate. For 2014, with a salary of 20000r = $ 625. So comrades you are going in the right direction towards a "bright" future

[poquello]

Quote: Adimius38

Apparently I haven't gone to the store for a long time

I definitely didn't drink vodka with you from the same glass, multiply by two and learn to read carefully

Quote: Adimius38

I'm already silent about my clothes

so keep quiet, I saw a classmate with such a salary in Heli Hansen's jacket

Quote: Adimius38

So comrades you are going in the right direction towards a "bright" future

where are you going, I guess you guessed it

[ultra]

Do you live in UWB?

[Adimius38]

Do you buy Chinese goods for rubles, from a screw of panties to a car? Do you naively think that they are for rubles? 90% of the CHINA goods sold in the country are pegged to the dollar. You do not need to live in the United States to buy dollar-denominated goods, it is enough to live in Russia and buy the purchased goods for dollars for rubles, and the price of this product is all tied to the exchange rate of the western currency

[ultra]

I buy for rubles.

[ultra]

The price is pegged to the ruble exchange rate.

[alystan]

andreykolesov123 (andreykolesov123) Yesterday, 21:53
But Russia is happy to invest billions in foreign Palestinians instead of developing its own territories.

Kolesov, but rather weakly, instead of sitting at the keyboard and trying on the site, go out and put things in order a little in your Palestine, or at least help the little boy?
Although I guess that the picture is not from your Palestine and no one canceled the photomontage - the kid either sits at the house, and then, together with the board, which suddenly became much wider, turns around and looks in a completely different direction, although the photo was taken from the same place and angle ???

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: alystan

Kolesov, but rather weakly, instead of sitting at the keyboard and trying on the site, go out and put things in order a little in your Palestine, or at least help the little boy?

There is order in my Palestine. This is your country in the picture, and you need to rake it. And the best thing is to demand that the government change priorities and invest in the infrastructure of their country.

[alystan]

You didn't say anything about photomontage!
I am glad for your Palestine, but why was it necessary to generalize and write something about the Palestinians of others?

[zwlad]

I can imagine how then someone who gives such an order will arrive.

[Moskovit]

And in Tel Aviv too. Even winter aggravation at the couch field marshals

[vervolk]

Remind me how long has the owner been there?

[seziomoff.s]

Make a statement that Russian servicemen were under attack, and strike at the Israeli airbase. Preferably with Daggers, even though we will see them in action.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: seziomoff.s

Make a statement that Russian servicemen were under attack, and strike at the Israeli airbase. Preferably with Daggers, even though we will see them in action.

[7 poplar]

But isn't Naphthalene taking on a lot ???

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: poplar 7

But isn't Naphthalene taking on a lot ???

No more than the great Pu.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The forces of evil are Israel. Insolent cattle in the region.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The forces of evil are Israel. Insolent cattle in the region.

It's time to take revenge on the unreasonable Khazars.

[Roman_vh]

What are you getting excited about then? Did they throw the shekels? You don't miss a single stone. And even with pictures.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Roman_VH

Did they throw the shekels? You don't miss a single stone. And even with pictures

Do you like the pictures?

[DED_peer_DED]

When there are numbers in the log-name, and even more so 123 ...
Well, you understand ...
All the more so about Israel.
Work is like that.

[LZ50]

bang bang and past

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[Iris]

Beautiful pictures. I wonder where they filmed?

[vervolk]

yesaaaa the most epic failure)))) Israel has not done this for a long time)))

[Iris]

Bravo, Hel Ha'avir - professional as always: accurate and timely!

At the same time, it is difficult to argue with those colleagues who pay attention to the repetitive scenario of strikes.
Indeed, the regular accurate and the timely defeat of targets of the Israeli Air Force may be associated with coordination and intelligence cooperation between our countries.
And if such interaction exists, then this cannot but be encouraging: add to this the actions of our military to oust the IRGC and Hezbollah from the border territories, and we will get a vector aimed at gently ousting Iran and its protégé from the territory of Syria.
And this, in turn, is a real step towards the safety of our contingent and towards peace in this unfortunate country.

[vervolk]

agree with you

[aszzz888]

Bennett, using words with outright pathos, added that "the Israeli military is ready to confront the forces of evil on a daily basis":

And how does he differ from the idiots in the unnecessary Ukronazi elite ?! Answer: absolutely nothing.

[indy424]

about idiots: nothing is written together

[vervolk]

and there is Zelensky of the same nation, why should it be different?

[Volga073]

When will Russia respond to these circumcised terrorists?

[vervolk]

there is an answer to your moaning at the top - we would like to read it, but let your question hang out of place without an answer like the third one of the same type)))

[grassyknollgunner]

This is a rough list of airstrikes over the past year. In most cases, the western provinces are affected. They mainly use air-to-surface missiles from Lebanese airspace. Over the past two months the intensity of the raids increased.

07.12.21 - Latakia
24.11.21 - Homs
17.11.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
08.11.21 - Homs + Tartus
03.11.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
30.10.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
25.10.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Quneitra
13.10.21 - Homs
08.10.21 - Homs
03.09.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
19.08.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
17.08.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Quneitra
22.07.21 - Homs
20.07.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Aleppo
08.06.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - South Syria + Central Syria
05.05.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Quneitra
04.05.21 - North Syria
22.04.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
16.03.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
28.02.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
15.02.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
03.02.21 - Quneitra + Damascus
22.01.21 - Hama
07.01.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Suwayda
30.12.21/XNUMX/XNUMX - Damascus
25.12.21 - Hama

One could of course think of something ... But why escalate?

[Jora bayramow]

The conclusion suggests itself; The cunning plan succeeded. They were beaten not by Syria, but by the prestige of some great power. The result is a loss of faith in the east towards an alliance with this power and a drop in the demand for their weapons. This is just a personal opinion, and it’s just not true.

[vervolk]

rather, the decline in the prestige of Israel in general and the capabilities of Israeli intelligence. someone skillfully slipped misinformation on the Mossad and the Israeli leadership was led (here's a rhetorical question, what great power could do this?)

[Borisych]

In vain Israel arranged it, and even before the negotiations with the Americans. Latakia and our bases in Syria are interrelated factors. In fact, the Jews repeated the story of the death of our plane with people. Now it's time for Israel to look for another prime minister, at best.

[indy424]

Let's remember your prophetic words in a couple of months, huh?

[Iris]

In fact, the Jews repeated the story of the death of our plane with people.

What kind of story is this? When the Syrians shot down our Il-20 through our own fault?
So it seems that our reconnaissance aircraft did not participate in the current incident.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Borisych

Now it's time for Israel to look for another prime minister, at best.

And for one thing, announce the worst, is it possible that Lavrov is coming to kill him, or maybe you need to get drunk and everything will heal?

[Siberian54]

Isn't it time to accidentally miss the Jews?

[Iris]

Did the Jews accidentally hit us?

[Siberian54]

They did not hit us, they fired at the port with our equipment, this must be answered harshly and not only with diplomacy, otherwise it will definitely fly to us .. Despite the rhetoric of the discussion of the Russian Federation, it is not profitable for Iran and the Palestinians to leave the SAR for political reasons.

[Iris]

they fired at the port with our equipment

Let me remind you the title of the article: "The Israeli prime minister has recognized the infliction of an air strike on the Syrian port of Latakia." V Syrian the port was destroyed containers with Iranian "clothes". What from our equipment was destroyed or damaged, specifically?
If we accept the version of coordination and intelligence interaction between the Israeli military intelligence and the corresponding structure of our contingent in Syria, for which there are good reasons, then such interaction is a serious guarantee of the safety of our troops and our facilities. Iran, by the way, has already been pointed out in due time to the inadmissibility of deploying its formations near Russian bases. The guys listened silently and continued in the same spirit. Well, now it's your own fault.

Let me ask you your opinion: why do you think that the withdrawal from the SAR of Iran and Hezbollah is not profitable for the Russian Federation (if by "Palestinians" they mean them)?

[Siberian54]

At least the equipment of the berths. Offhand ... The advantage is that they divert most of the counter-propaganda about the American and Arab media onto themselves and facilitate diplomatic work for us.

[Iris]

Well, since the port is Syrian, then the equipment there is on the balance of Syria, it has nothing to do with us. They themselves allowed the Iranians with weapons to enter the port, they themselves shooled, let them restore themselves.
As for the counter-propaganda .. Whether the Iranians are there or not, they will scold us in any case, whatever. So with regard to the information confrontation, the Iranians do not make any weather for us.

[Siberian54]

not yet, but the appetite comes with eating.

[Iris]

There is a Mutual Coordination of Combat Actions Regime between our countries, which is very effective and equally useful for both us and the Israelis. There is no reason to believe that one of the parties will deliberately violate it on its own initiative.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Siberian54

Isn't it time to accidentally miss the Jews?

This is you, about when V.V. Putin invited the example of the Minister of Israel to his home "for a glass of whiskey"?
Do you think <that he missed?
The seeds of anti-Semitism, thrown by the "great helmsman" in the USSR, and now give a good harvest in some areas, though 90% rotten!

[Iris]

On all 100%.

[Klingon]

Quote: poquello

Quote: lelik613

Sell ​​one medium-range missile to Assad.

taak, SD rockets are 1000-5000 km, from Damascus to Tel Aviv 210 km,) and what are you going to do with her for Assad to do?

And how much is the range of the Point - U, 150? Why shoot from Damascus? You can, after all, closer, with Gollan, for example .. In my opinion, there will be enough even ordinary Tornadoes, a few pieces with cassette Bulls, it is at the same time more difficult for the Jews to shoot them down

[poquello]

Quote: Klingon

Quote: poquello

Quote: lelik613

Sell ​​one medium-range missile to Assad.

taak, SD rockets are 1000-5000 km, from Damascus to Tel Aviv 210 km,) and what are you going to do with her for Assad to do?

And how much is the range of the Point - U, 150? Why shoot from Damascus? You can, after all, closer, with Gollan, for example .. In my opinion, there will be enough even ordinary Tornadoes, a few pieces with cassette Bulls, it is at the same time more difficult for the Jews to shoot them down

130 km, it is possible closer and earlier it was possible, only Assad does not do this)

[Oleg Timofeev_5]

Who will punish the Jewish military mercenaries fighting for hire?

[Iris]

Do you have specific information? Share the link, please.

[Andy_Ha]

Just the forces of evil ... how sweet.